Elona Thread

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He comes Edition

Old: >>20872769

>New? Start here:
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>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.87 (2019-02-17)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2018-12-14)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.87.1 (2019-02-12)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.87.1.2 (2019-02-17)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)


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[Anonymous No.]

Werewolf question guy:
A werewolf will have such in their name. A detective is a detective. A werewolf detective is a werewolf pretending to be a detective

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck are cockatrices harder than anything I've fought in act 1? Did they receive a fucking buff or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Ohhh what a beautiful even number. I do not care one bit that it is almost all of my current pocket money, that amount is getting invested right this instant.
Is there a cap on investment prices and generic shop rank?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923230
As far as I can tell no. Besides one comment on the wiki saying they got buffed without any citations or explanations back in 2016.
Their nerve arrow can be quite painful if you have no nerve resistance. Especially in the early game when you have quite a bit less than their 200 speed. Combined with the Eye of Stiffen which can apparently lock your character still for a few turns at least.

By time I came across them in the most recent version, at about level 40 something doing a level 52-55 dungeon, I already had Resist Nerve at Strong #### and active speed at 160 so they were mostly fodder. No need for buffs, special ammo, or special actions at all, even.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the most important stuff to get on a living weapon?

[Anonymous No.]

golden knight is my wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923662
no, mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923667
There are enough for everyone,else i can take their boss with the long ass name

nargacaguay something

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923573
Namely, a crossbow*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923230
You're probably getting demolished due to stunlock + speed advantage. It's not that much different from trying to fight a Grass Dancer.

If it makes you feel any better, the Grass Dancer is lower level than the Cockatrice, seven times as fast, and has two abilities that can screw with you instead of the Cockatrice's one.

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>>20923739
i have always wondered if a group of grass dancers/nyarlathoheps can beat any enemy in the game with their mass debuffs and brainwash

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>>20923742
No. By early awoken, like 300 or so, you'll start seeing regular enemies resist the status effects from time to time. Grass Dancers get slaughtered very quickly by that point as well, not taking into account that Awoken dungeons are deathtraps.

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>>20923838
talkin about inner gods here

[Anonymous No.]

Well that was kind of difficult. Brainwashing healing charming fuckers, a whole floor of them.
First time on this file I've actually had to teleport around to kill off the secondary mobs. Then also used almost all my special ammo and got pretty much locked around 0 SP, with quite low MP trying to buff/heal and running low on the few backup potions I keep on hand.

I know it definitely gets harder elsewhere. Especially with dancers and shit. But that was quite fun. A good reason to go into somewhat higher levelled dungeons beyond simple reward.

[Anonymous No.]

Brainwash has been the only consistently painful thing in all my playthroughs no matter what. So what can I actually do to help resist brainwash?
As far as I can see online the only thing to help prevent it is to hug pets and hope for the best. But I don't want to bother with pets at all yet.
Does Mind resistance help at all? Is there EVER equipment that negates it?
Or is my only reliable option to outspeed the fuckers?

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT TO FUCK <God inside Ehekatl>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924040
whats the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

So, I'm trying to set up my ranged pet so that if he gets trapped or otherwise can't move away from the enemy, he can at least use his ranged weapon or melee weapon as a last resort. Does this mean I need to unlock more slots for more custom AI?

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>>20923885
Inner Gods will destroy a hypothetical Grass Dancer group, and a Nyarlathohep group for that matter. Most Awoken dungeon trash mobs are generally weaker than Inner Gods depending on the base level of the dungeon and even then the groups will have issues holding their own.

As far as even lower tiers go, Cthughas are generally the safest bet to run sustain tests against because of their fire spam. Grass Dancers are preferable here thanks to the cResEle and higher speed. Unfortunately FHGs (one of the other "low tier" baselines) have a physical breath which can basically wipe an entire group of Grass Dancers out, and FHGs have around 5-8x the stats of the Dancers, and are only half as fast. Against Nyarla the FHG fares even better since by default the FHG is twice as fast, doesn't care about teleporting enemies, and Nyarlathotep doesn't have the bitflag. Cthugha is definitely the easier test without dealing with custom teams and settings though, since finding them isn't hard and they're neutral.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923972
Increase Will

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>>20923729
If you want to use it to attack, magic damage. Though you should also consider putting a bunch of resists on it, or using it to buff one of your skills so a super high level.

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>>20924144
I've been training that with eye of mind and healing spells as I go, as well as herbin food of course. But it doesn't seem to go very fast from that alone at all.
What's the fastest way to train it usually? Riding, magic capacity? Can I do that without investing time, gems, and equipment into pets?

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>>20924249
You don't need pets to train Will. There isn't some magic bullet which will give you +1 Will/action, and like most stats, the fall off gets pretty substantial as higher stats require more consistent grinding, for lower returns (because enemy stats increase faster than your stats do). If minimizing grind is what you're after, then honestly you're better off giving up on Will and focus on capping speed instead.

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>>20924325
Not really looking for a magic bullet. Just something to fit into my playstyle without altering it heavily towards pets or magic.
I usually do just go for speed, yeah. It eventually gets to the point where most things can't even get time in to brainwash or any other status effect.
Fairly early on having no resistance is painful so any reasonable way to get around that would be nice. But if it requires a lot of extra work that could just be put into dungeons and speed grinding then it can wait, yeah.
Thank you.

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>>20924061
I don't think "unable to move away from target" is something that it's possible to detect with custom AI, at least normally. Maybe a sufficiently skilled autist could pull it off: complex "And" statements, buffs as makeshift RAM, a tag-team hivemind AI?
Personally, I'd just replace Move (Away) with Dimensional Move and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.]

What does it mean by this?
Does each do both, or is it half and half, or does it select whichever is least resisted?
Does it cost anything extra? Is it useful?
Description isn't exactly clear. And wikia doesn't say anything about it besides one guy in the comments asking about the combine ice and fire one without being answered.

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>>20924993
Whenever a non-Exile casts a spell, the game checks to see if the spell is Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt, Fire Ball, Ice Ball, Mind Bolt, Raging Roar, Nerve Arrow, or Poison Storm. If a matching spell is cast, a variable tied to the relevant enchantment is set to the enchantment's power, which adds the paired elemental damage if nonzero. In other words, if you wear a ring that "combines fire and ice spells", Fire Ball will do extra cold damage, and Ice Ball will do extra fire damage.
If you want more technical data, search source.hsp for code where the three variables (fusifc, fusims, and fusipn) are used.

[Anonymous No.]

So I alt-tabbed back into the game and my computer didn't recognize that alt got released. I didn't notice this and all of a sudden was only able to move diagonally.
That's actually a nice feature. I use a similar feature a lot on console roguelites like Mystery Dungeon games, because trying to move straight diagonally without any up/down/left/right on a dpad can be quite hard at times.
Not very useful on a keyboard, but whatever. Weird way to find out though.

Knowing that's implemented kind of makes me want to try playing with a controller sometime. Maybe. Maybe not.

[Anonymous No.]

What does the enhancement bonus on farm/ranch products do other than make them sell for more?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20925600
more nutritious

[Anonymous No.]

>>20925600
If you make products like cheese with them, they'll inherit the enhance value and grant more EXP when eaten. Same in the case of meat, and eggs have an implicit enhance value too (notice that some are more valuable than others and stack differently)

[Anonymous No.]

miromi milk....

[Anonymous No.]

So from the wiki I take it the only guild worth a darn in +GC is the mage's one? Got pickpocket off a scroll of attribute and already did the FG entry quest and got all the skills, and bonuses don't sound like they'll stay useful for very long.

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>>20925916
Even it's not all that great in the long term, since you can just use the spellwriter in the library on Lost Irva. The time you spend crossing the world map isn't that different, plus you can check the food shops in the Lost Irva shrine and Melugas for herbs and such.
I still favor the mages guild myself, though. I've never bothered with the thieves guild, and turning in ancient books is way easier than hunting down a particular kind of monster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20925916
You may as well get all the skills, its very easy to do the guild quests even if the mages one takes a while.

[Anonymous No.]

lulwy is a slut

[Anonymous No.]

>>20926450
The searches I've done for Elona-related fanart have mostly returned images from archived /jp/ threads, and most of them appear to have been done by the same artist as the pic you posted. Who is it and where can I see the rest of their stuff and also are there lewds?

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>>20926511
Pixiv and no lewds,elona setting is pure

[Anonymous No.]

I have a thing happening where I make crim ale in the pot for fusion, and when I pick them up they become poisons instead. Is this a bug or am I missing something? It was working fine before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20927124
etherwind disease

[Anonymous No.]

>>20927244
Oooooh I totally missed it. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>on my way to try a big daddy for the time
>get hungry so stop and eat
>lucky day!
>detour to do a treasure map
>sudden diastrophism
Maybe good luck was trying to protect me from a terrible mistake, but I wanted to try anyway. I did get this baby, though.

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>>20926511
It's this guy
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=843118
The art is from noa's own pixiv account but I'm sure it's this guy that made it

[Anonymous No.]

aaaah fuck what do I wish for
I've already got 7lb and a happy bed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20927654
aurora ring

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>>20927665
Wiki suggests this too. Is it really that useful? Other than making deliveries/escorts to noyel why would this be a high priority?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20927699
So you don't get fucked by the rain when it pours hard on the field map. I find that shit to be high priority

[Anonymous No.]

>>20927707
Ok, I did it.

[Anonymous No.]

So big daddies are machine gods, right? Does that mean they can drop both machine hearts and god hearts?

[Anonymous No.]

So there's this really, really small thing that has always annoyed me about Elona+, and I Vanilla too. And that's the chatlog when changing areas.
The log part will persist just fine, but 3 out of the most recent 4 lines still in the main chat window will be cut off and replaced with the new area, while only 1 gets fed to the log.
Thankfully to get them to show all you have to do is do 3 actions and it'll scroll them into place, so they're not lost entirely.
But that also probably makes just pushing 3 empty lines to be not a complete fix.

How does it avoid pushing the blank lines in the new window into the log, and make it align properly afterwards?
Why does it not scroll all 4 into place using the same method, whatever it may be, and wait to push new messages until it aligns?

[Anonymous No.]

I really really like pickpocketting beggars then killing them afterward. Such pathetic and useless creatures, bothering others for spare change in a world that lets you fight for it without reprimand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20928233
I've never seen a Big Daddy drop anything other than corpse/card/figurine and a few bits of decent-quality equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

here's something I've noticed just now: if you invite a god to your house, then kill him/her, the god will still spawn in your house! you can kill lulwy for her sweet loot AND have her as your house meido!

[Anonymous No.]

I wished for Herme´s blood with "herme" as the wiki said but I got a herb seed instead, what happened?

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>>20930976
I just now tried wishing for "herme" 100 times in wizard mode and got 100 bottles of hermes blood.
Did you accidentally type in "herbe"? I also checked keys close to 'M', and "herne" seems to give you a random item, while "herbe" always gives a herb seed.

[Anonymous No.]

Getting towards the end of Act I in +GC, is there any mechanic I don't know about yet to extend the viability of magic? Seems like a lot of it plateaus and doesn't really scale with anything other than spell level, so stuff like Speed and Slow looks like they'll eventually become outright useless.

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>>20926450
who the fuck is yakasha

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931050
Tried again with my spare wishing rod but I got an angry sexy hat instead, Ehekatl must be puking kitties in laughter right now

[Anonymous No.]

Any way to make the latest version of E+CG look nice without having to edit the sprites myself? iirc beautify stopped being updated since 1.77

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931050
>>20931193
does wishing for hermes blood only work in wizard mode?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20930315
No they wont,i killed every god at my home and had to resummon ehekatl to keep her

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931088
I don't know about your spell levels, but by the end of Act III my spells were pitifully low level, and between Speed and Slow I could still get a +400 speed over enemies as long as the Slow landed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931459
isnt mage late game simply spam meteor? do books of meteor even exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931482
You do not need to use meteor. Gathering meteor spell counts is a slow grind of using scrolls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20925390
niggy wtf

been playing for over 5 years now and didn't realize this feature

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931162
I heard that she is supposed to be one of the new goddesses in Elin.

[Anonymous No.]

Do rods of alchemy work on deeds?

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>>20931447
1. summon god in (e.g.) truce ground
2. invite to home
3. attack immediately afterwards, without leaving map
4. win
5. go home, meet god.

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>>20931088
the 'combine x and y' series of enchants are pretty broken. it basically casts a second element spell in parallel, and it's capped at 150% the power of the first spell.

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>>20931847
i find her attractive and cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>20932145
we need goddess of impregnation and sex,i wanna whore my way to victory

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>>20933137
>special ability: You become sleepy twice as quickly. You may use squeeze to force sleep sharing with any NPC with no chance for failure. Gain gold and faith upon completion.
>Preferred offering is the "blood of x" item left after sleep sharing.
I could see it.

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>>20933364
then what? npc kills you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933372
I don't see how that follows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933405
how do i beat enemies with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933614
The same way you beat enemies by fishing or farming. It's turning possibly nonconsensual sex into another resource gathering method. Adding some bump to your grind. Maybe if you initiated it against an enemy it could stop time while you fuck and make them a temporary ally or something.
I mean, the favor rewards would probably help you kill stuff, like most of the other ones do. I don't know, just spitballing here. If you can think of another way to make slutting around for a sex goddess into a game mechanic I'm all ears.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I make it so my Young Girl pet only throws potions occasionally? She gets stuck throwing potions nonstop and doesn't fight unless the enemy approaches with, using custom AI. I want her to approach the enemy while debuffing them. with potions and debuffs.

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>>20933950
You could set her to only throw a potion if the target doesn't have a particular debuff or status. If you really want her to slow down, you could make her only throw the potion at targets without "Wet".

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>>20933971
You mean speed her up? Don't most potions grant wet status on enemies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933984
Yes

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>>20924354
You mentioned herbed food but not "maintains" equipment. Are you aware that raw "maintains" equipment will give training multiplier buffs?

Other than that, I think going deep into the negatives with cure of jua and magic capacity will give the best return for your time investment. Negative HP is fine if you can heal it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>get money tree
>can't bash it for money
What a rip off.

[Anonymous No.]

Found off an adventurer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934235
>It's just a stone.

[Anonymous No.]

What to do with diaries I don't want? They don't show up as sellable in shops. Just sell the allies as slaves? Is it even worth picking them up if that's all I'm going to do with them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933984
I meant slow down the potion-tossing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934350
No. Money shouldn't be an issue by the time you start mass stocking diaries. They have other uses for mostly role playing, but if you're not into that sort of thing, generally all books are worthless after a point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934383
Thanks. Guess I'll just drop the ones I've got in the wilderness or something.

[Anonymous No.]

If I don't level up a living weapon immediately will any experience it would gain in the meantime be lost, or will it carry over to the next level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934548
It is lost.

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>>20934173
Yeah, I know eating raw maintains equipment gives about a 1500-1800 turn buff of 5-40% extra gain most often.
Haven't been able to reliably stockpile any such equipment without checking over absolutely every item in every dungeon and applying a bunch of scroll of inferior material to many of them. Which is so tedious that I'd rather just grind more elsewhere.

Magic capacity does seem useful on its own, will training aside. So I do mean to train it as I go.
But the amount of time I'm fairly safe to do so without going right back into danger is slim.
Like about the only time I can justify it is if I feel the desire to completely mine out a forest map for my small acorn collection and 4leaf clovers.
>Negative HP is fine if you can heal it up.
Wait, what? Shouldn't players die when they are killed, even by their own overcasting?
What rule allows this, how often?

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>>20934607
>Shouldn't players die when they are killed, even by their own overcasting?
I distinctly remember accidentally killing myself by overcasting a month or two ago.

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>>20934607
He could be referring to the mp grind with cure spam, where the cure amount overheals the damage caused by magic reaction, allowing you to spam a lot more than normally possible. There's probably only one notable floor in act 3 where this mechanic becomes really apparent when your mana is rapidly drained.

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>>20931288
It should work. The wiki says to type hermes rather than herme.

>>20934350
Practice your gene engineering.

[Anonymous No.]

>young lady is 13 years old
>little girl is 20
Huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20935146
>japanese shadman

[Anonymous No.]

you wake up and see this
wat do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20936417
Gene engineer that perfect chin onto my little girl

[Anonymous No.]

heh

[Anonymous No.]

How appropriate, doesn't seem to be a fixed thing either

[Anonymous No.]

>>20938209
Why is your poor Golden Knight stuck in the shop selling stuff instead of being out in the battlefield? You could at least use her as a pack-mule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20938231
I don't like micromanaging pets, plus I was already 2 dozen levels over her when I got her and didn't feel like babying her up to snuff, and if nothing else it seems appropriate to have her hock the loot I'm out collecting.

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>>20938333
Hmmm, I took a while to raise my Little Girl and a Younger Sister up to my own level, now they're very reliable allies: At lvl 49, the little girl can take down lvl 80-100 mobs like it's nothing, meanwhile I just cast heal rain to support them. I built my younger sister as a dual wielder to make use of her natural DEX, she can deal damage on par with the little girl despite having only 3/5 of her stats, but she's pretty squishy right now. I'm a level 50 Fairy "Performer", for the record.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20938446
And here's the younger sister. I built her from scratch starting when I was lvl 25 or so. Gene Engineering helped me boost her lvl a bit so she could fight along with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20938209
Yes, that is how a shop works. Though the Golden Knight is pretty bad as a shopkeeper.

[Anonymous No.]

Thread of Innervation is OP, what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939077
Apparently, it has a chance of turning whatever you kill into a "flesh doll", which has an innate rank 10 rating for meat, or using their doll forms (which is basically their normal form on the ground) for decoration. I don't think they rot either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939147
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.70_-_1.79#1.77
>It will rot in 10 days, so you'll need to use a bottle of antiseptic on it to use it for decor.

[Anonymous No.]

If I apply acidproof or fireproof to a piece of equipment and change its mat later to something that lacks it natively, will it retain the protection? What about if I change the mat to something that does have the attribute natively, and then again to something that doesn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939260
It's retained. Acidproof and Fireproof aren't equipment attributes, so they don't get removed. Same process as the Living Weapon Reset

[Anonymous No.]

>>20926511
Here's a whole bunch of artwork by this guy

https://elonagather.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/%E6%95%A3%E3%82%89%E3%81%8B%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9F%E3%81%BE%E3%81%BE%E3%81%AE%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99

Weird ass url because runes.
If you dig through the website you'll find more.

[Anonymous No.]

Updated to 1.8.7 recently and I haven't seen any house deeds. Are they still and I've not been lucky seeing them or were they removed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939989
Nevermind, found one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939989
Nevermind, found one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939077
how to get thread thingie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20940140
You first need the string assassin feat, and later level up with gene engineering above 30 or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20939857
Who is this guy? noa"s friend?

[Anonymous No.]

What level stat wise am I looking to start murdering inner gods solo? One God at a time, obviously, because I have some measure of common sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20940615
Level itself can be relatively low if your base health/mp are high, which they should be if you're playing solo since you're going to have to grind music tickets sooner or later. Stats should be at least 1k+, Speed needs to be capped. Ideally main combat stats are capped if you're not going for some specific strategy.

[Anonymous No.]

Now, who's the rabbit and who's the snake?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw upgrading from cave to palace

[Anonymous No.]

>>20927569
>>20939857
Thanks, good stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941397
the best part of elona is the house design system

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941452
It's pretty neat, this is the first time I've really messed with it. I wish the tile list was bigger and clearly categorized, all I've managed to do so far is make a mess trying to figure out what everything is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941452
The depth of customization in the game is one of its main draws provided that you're dedicated enough to actually invest time and effort into it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941452
House design is pretty barebones tiles though. It wouldn't stand on its own and only does good enough within the context of the rest of Elona.

Personally I think the biggest draw is the glorious roguelike combat/movement/etc in a more classic RPG setting. Like with a full overworld with towns, quests, characters, side skills, jobs, and a nicely balanced random generation of dungeons to make up the brunt of the grind.
So it's a lot of the fun of roguelike combat without the glaring masochistic difficulty and quick forsaking of in game progress, for better or worse. That is attractive in its own way, and probably the primary attracting force to the game.
Also perverse Japanese memes, to a lesser degree.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you usually assign as a shopkeeper? i just take a random derphy prostitute (female) and dump her on her new job,i believe her AI makes her whore clients as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>20922761

Is there a way I can fix the engrish word soup?

(I am a total noob btw if you couldn't tell)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942482
As far as I know, custom translates a lot more than E+ itself. And E+CustomG, at bare minimum, also machine translates anything left. That's about as clean and clear as you're going to get.

For the other forks, such as OO, there are limited options for English improvement. OO-En seems to be a thing?
I think there was one where some English translators actually communicated with the Japanese developers to try and correct the English upstream. But the name escapes me and I might be thinking of something else entirely.

Also, on that note, there are people who actually prefer and will go out of their way to use separate forks for restoring that engrish word soup.
I found this out today when seeing someone use such a fork and googling it [IMAGE]. And the idea really hurts my head.

[Anonymous No.]

Nice, first act done. It only gets grindier from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942750
guys help my bunnies were too active while I was away

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942798
>HELP

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942804
Holy shit. You could've left several ranches with tentacle worms so that after the 3 year leap you'd get tentacle worm eggs (that sell for 20k-100k a piece)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942482
Custom and Custom-G come with their source code, and Custom-G additionally comes with a guide to compiling HSP.
You can edit any text in the game, although exactly which file you need to edit depends on the text; NPC names and chatter are in /externalize/NPCData/, generic dialogue, books, and sidequest descriptions are in /data/, but for most things (include quest dialogue and ability names) you'd need to edit the source code and recompile.

[Anonynous No.]

>>20925845
"Milk"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942934
I see you

[Anonymous No.]

Sweet. I only ever take off my dunce hat when drinking evolution potions, but now I have them all. Time to just collect em I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933137
>goddess of impregnation and sex
Myushireji(?) of Melting, the slime goddess of love and breeding. Most of her blessings are slime-like abilities (like regeneration), but you also get a miracle spac (arrow-type spell) with aphrodisiac effects.
Unfortunately, other than the passive CHA bonus, you won't get whore-specific bonuses from her. She is mostly interested in your "love" potential, and will happily accept your "love" directly if you summon her (or so the manual says).
She is a custom god for OOMSEST, by the way.
Pic is from that not-SCP simulator, Lobotomy Corporation. Only a few custom gods have fanart in Pixiv, and I guess this goddess isn't one of them.

[Anonynous No.]

>>20943157
Oh gosh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20935140
This time I wished for "hermes", I guess my game is broken

[Anonymous No.]

Does rubbing w/big brush increase milk quality of ranched creatures as well as their death drops?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944406
Dang, that sucks. Hermes, herme, and bottle of hermes all worked for me in wizard mode in oomsest. What version are you playing? If you get a rod of wishing it'd be interesting to do a bit of savescum testing to see if you can get any wishes to work.

I don't think I've ever tried wishing for hermes blood on a real character. It's easy enough to get a decent speed in plus and small medals are pretty common in oomsest. Most of my wishes go towards secret experiences of kumiromi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944406
Turns out hermes blood is a precious item, which means you can't wish for it outside of wizard mode. I checked the oldest source I have onhand (Custom 1.47.3), and apparently it was a precious item there too. Didn't see anything in the wiki's changelog, but if hermes blood isn't a precious item in vanilla/Omake, it was changed in Plus years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20943940
meshera alpha waifu when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20943940
>want a slime girl waifu
>don't want all my loot drenched in acid
I badly need a magatama-like item for acid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944621
So I wasted 3 wishes? sucks to be me, I may release my pain in SAI later, any suggestion?

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>>20944526
Yeah, it increases all drop qualities, even eggs (eggs don't have a visible +X value, but they do have differing qualities and sell values). I think that 3 brushes (in 3 different days) is enough to max a creature out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945173
>eggs don't have a visible +X value, but they do have differing qualities and sell values
So THAT'S why some eggs don't stack!
Anyway, I have the brushing messages written down:
>The $monster looks proud. "Did it make me beautiful?"
>$monster looks clean. "Aww, it's already over?"
>$monster looks marvelous. "Thank you!"
>$monster looks quite healthy! "Thank you for everything!"
>$monster is positively shining! "I love you!"
Dunno whether that means it needs 5 days' worth to max out or not.

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>>20945173
Does the +quality from brushing degrade, or does it just build up and stay if I wait more than a day? And does sugar/onions sauce add a separate +quality or is it the same as a brushing?
Also, when milking, does the "x is weakened" message just mean that the creature is out of milk, or does it have some other mechanical significance?

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>>20945253
I'm pretty sure brushing doesn't wear off.
I think seasoning affects the same quality as brushing, but I'm not completely sure. (also, "onions sauce"? wut?)
The "weakened" message means that its Life stat was permanently reduced. If it goes down to zero, it'll die when you milk it. (A popup asks you to confirm beforehand, so you can't kill accidentally.)

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>>20945292
>"onions sauce"? wut?
Wordfilter. s_o_y is filtered to onions.

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>>20945292
>The "weakened" message means that its Life stat was permanently reduced.
Is there a way to avoid that? I haven't kept any long term animals other than my breeder, so I don't know if just waiting longer will prevent it. I see it every time I milk, though. It also happens when I milk my breeder. Since the breeder is technically a party member who I can resurrect through bartenders, what happens to them when their life hits 0?

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played Elona in about 3 years since I got a decent gaming rig but I really feel like playing again. Can I use my old save with the new version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945693
It'll update automatically when you open the file.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945693
Yeah you can, be prepared for a lot of changes that might catch you off guard though.
Also make sure to backup your stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942816
What determines egg price? Creature weight?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944621
>>20945111
Hermes blood is precious in oomsest too. It was probably always precious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946503
>It was probably always precious.
>there are at least two pages on the wiki giving contradicting instructions on how to wish for an item that you can actually only wish for in wizard mode

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946534
The wiki's pages aren't always kept up to date.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946547
If it was always precious then "ever right" is the threshhold, not "up to date".

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>>20946606
From what I can tell, the reference exists because in vanilla it wasn't precious. Which the wiki mentions. oomsest is several iterations away from vanilla, and the English wiki didn't bother even addressing oom (or oo for that matter) until relatively recently (around 6 months to a year back).

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>>20946625
If it wasn't precious in vanilla, then it wasn't "always precious".
If just being outdated is an explanation for something being untrue, then that infers that it was true at some point.
I'm not sure if we're speaking the same language, even.

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>>20946640
Except I never said it was always precious. I just said that the wiki's pages aren't always kept up to date. You're assuming that I'm the person you replied to before just because I replied to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946654
That was my first post in the reply chain. But the reply chain was saying and questioning that. Because >>20946503 did. Every post after that was pointing that out. Replying to that, especially a correction such as >>20946606 is bound to cause confusion.
Well whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

Do crit / pierce attributes on weapons work all the time or just for that weapon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946683
>Replying to that, especially a correction such as >>20946606 is bound to cause confusion.
Simple solution: don't assume that you're talking to the same person with every post on 4chan.

>>20946712
Per weapon. You don't magically get full crit/pierce on all weapons just because one weapon has 100%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946728
The only thing I assumed was that >>20946625 that post was replying to >>20946606 because of the link to it.
And replying to that post, which is doing nothing but pointing out the absurdity of the previous one, without responding to anything it's saying is a sign of missing the point of the correction.
So I'm only assuming replies as they're quoted/linked. You're the one assuming who's who.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946712
I kind of wish. I'd use a lightsaber for full pierce with both range and magic if that were the case.
That wouldn't really make sense though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946751
I mean the full piercing attack / chance of critical hit attributes, since they show up on non-weapons and obviously work universally from there, not the pierce %.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946760
Oh absolute pierce, derp.
That would be nice too, and far less non-sensical than regular pierce %.

That's a good question though. Other perks like casting improvement do work. But I don't think things like godslayer work. And am not sure about those two at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946760
>I mean the full piercing attack / chance of critical hit attributes
Based on what's known, neither of those should be global when applied to weapons. i.e., having a spear won't give you vorpal on your ranged attacks. The former is easier to test, the latter is up in the air. You *can* test the latter with elosnack, that's probably the easiest way I can think of.

[Anonymous No.]

Just recently started worshipping best girl, haven't even gotten her pet yet, and this happens. I'm the luckiest boy in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946883
start worshiping best boy instead!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946931
I'm sorry, but in case you haven't heard, traps are gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946931
>gives seed as his statue reward
baka

[Anonymous No.]

elin...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946503
Hermes blood was precious at least as far back as vanilla 1.16.

[Anonymous No.]

>festival of Juere
>see thot getting dicked by Ebon
not sure if this or seeing little boys getting on with male prozzies disturb me more

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946095
Creature weight determines meat value and egg price. Tentacle worm is the "heavy" creature with highest breed power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947628
>thot getting dicked by ebon
thats hot desu,wish his gender was random so the monster girl sprite made it better

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947628
Definitely be more disturbed by Ebon dicking a prostitute. If Ebon can't pay, a fight will break out, and there will be fire everywhere, whereas a mere child will be handily minced by an unpaid prostitute and no threat to the townsfolk or property.

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>>20948197
>If Ebon can't pay, a fight will break out, and there will be fire everywhere
It's funny that your concern is so mercenary, rather than being horrified at the prospect of a literal flaming giant fucking a hooker in front of the church during the annual christmas block party.

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>>20949403
On one situation you have a professional doing a surprisingly good job considering that all "odds" are against her, and on the other situation you have the nuns and children being burned alive. I can definitively understand the previous anon's point of view about this whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Just got a wish. I've got all the reccomended equips/tools, and I was wondering if I typed in "Palace", would I get a deed of Palace?

In E+CG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951840
nope, can't get either castle or palace I think

[Anonymous No.]

Time to annihilate some lvl 130+ bosses while at lvl 55. ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951886
Another thing, I got a high level healing rain, lol. ez overwhelming bosses that don't have area dmg

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951873
Damn. Potions of Evolution it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951840
I wouldn't waste wishes on unnecessary things you could get outside of wishing. Once I have the basics to play with it's time to start collecting wish only things. Like Shift Cores.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Shift_cores

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951886
That sounds kind of fun, actually strategizing things.
I usually get side tracked, level way too high, and build resistances to almost everything, before actually doing anything dangerous. Hell, the lowest level I've completed Act1 at was 110.
The dungeon hopping, potential managing, shop investing grind is just too fucking FUN to ignore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952057
Generally speaking at standard potential grinding, you can clear Act III around level 70 or so. A lot easier now thanks to AP grinds.
Granted, level only matters for health and mana for the most part, so it's not exactly the best gauge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951840
Whenever you don't know what to wish for, get a secret experience of Kumiromi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952057
Woah, seriously? What classes do you normally use? I clear Act 1 at 25 to 50 depending on whether I train my pets or not, and I usually play mage types. Right now I'm at 55, but my effective "level" in terms of what bosses or dungeons I can clear, is around 140. I'm currently trying to grind all the way to 65 so I can get a Meshera Alpha waifu with Astral Pen (that godly healing + super regene), but no clue how to get EXP quickly...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952012
Oh shit yea this is a lot more fun than Evolution Pots.
>>20952090
I've actually got 2 ranches for these lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952103
Dive past Void layer 100, or start diving Awokens at 100+. Assuming your stat distribution is around 100 - 200 average, you shouldn't have issues with those dungeons. Once you can tackle them and get clear time sub 5 minutes or so, you raise the difficulty and start tackling 200 to 300 range. With a small group, the grind speed is pretty fast to get to 65.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952088
Well 110 at that point was around 300 in each stat I think, maybe 800 base speed.
Didn't bother with herb in food, just ate stomafillia to shut hunger up, quaffed potions of potential every other dungeon, and quaffed all the speed uppers.
Overpowered regardless.
>>20952103
Usually no real class. Just plain old crossbow with a little casting spells like 4ds/healing/speed.
Running through dungeons, holding [f], and watching almost everything die, 1 by 1, before they can ever do anything dangerous, knowing how powerful I am, is so pleasant.
I keep a stock of consumables just in case for currently-far-higher-level dungeons along the way. But they rarely see use.

The easiest way to get XP up is just rush through random dungeons and smashing the boss. Mobs on the way there give some XP, but the big drops are from bosses.
Better dungeons give better XP, of course. Void is some good shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952144
>>20952167
My pets are so powerful that they steal all the AP from me, lol... Currently at 180 speed while pets at ~450. Gonna start doing void alone now, hope I can get to 65 quickly and then I'll just keep training them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952212
What levels and stats are your pets at?

I rarely bother with pets for combat. Early on they can die too easily at random if monsters get any hits in. By the time they're high enough level with good enough resistances to actually guarantee to live, I'm generally strong enough to solo whatever I want more than fine.
Though I've never actually made it to act3 yet. Surely pets become important, survivable, valuable by then. Probably far earlier.

If you want to level your character itself alone very quickly, just rush a bunch of dungeons solo.
You don't need to kill everything on every floor or anything. Just the boss really. Unless you have a problematic spawn like grass dancers or some shit, of course it helps to pick those off fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952271
>Surely pets become important, survivable, valuable by then. Probably far earlier.
Team builds show return as soon as you have enough gold to start funneling, thanks to gold efficiency for pets being several times higher than it is for players. It isn't uncommon for a pet's stat ratios to be about twice to three times as high as the players without taking speed into consideration, because the pet isn't constrained by potential as far as recovery goes (since gold solves that problem).

At low pet counts, the efficiency of a single shop can mean that a pet can be sustained at 400% across the board and just walking around the map will boost the pet significantly. The survivability problem is pretty much solved within the first ten levels due to how early DV/PV works.

High pet counts are still sustainable in E+, but it becomes a more finnicky game of managing command states so that level distributions don't get lopsided, and properly using tags to control group speed. Potential recovery is actually easier for a high number team than a low number team, since the effective return of baskets increases per individual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952212
If your objective is to get Meshera Alpha, then prioritize clearing Act II, get the Awoken Gem, and start using it. As a team build you should already have Unison Impact, and if your pets are stronger than you, Unison Impact generally means free kills. On scaled enemies this generally means levels, assuming that your other stats are strong enough to reach the conditions for firing off UI.
If Awokens are too difficult, do it in the Void.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947390
What happened to Elin?

[Anonymous No.]

Omake overhaul or Elona +C?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952336
Depends on what sort of playstyle you prefer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952308
Yeah they're faster to level. That's never been a problem. I LOVE the grind and am fine with levelling.
>The survivability problem is pretty much solved within the first ten levels due to how early DV/PV works
For regular physical hits yeah. But those are rarely a problem anyway, outside of bash-into-the-ground titan type attacks from mobs over 50% higher level than them.
Rather, it's the elemental stuff that kills them off.
And I have no idea how to build resistances to those on pets besides just finding enough spare equipment beyond what I use for myself to sort of cover theirs. Which doesn't scale well with more pets of course.
And it's not just them dying. One file I actually bothered to train a few pets notably higher than me. They were so susceptible to brainwash/charm/whatever that it would kill me off quite often. Or some of them still failed their control magic roles and hit me with spells.

Then there's their AIs.
Like I can never figure out how to get a ranger to just range and not try to close in to melee.
Even with Custom AI with a simple distance check to cover all possible numbers to attack, it somehow doesn't know what to do with the commands.
Or potion throwers, where I can't figure out how to make them conserve anything beyond just checking for wet status which limits them to 1 potion.
I know there's an NPC in Act2 somewhere to help modify that. But I never learned how. But it's a problem until then regardless.

Like I know pets are viable. Definitely so. Powerful too.
But they're so frustrating at least at first.
Just managing myself to solo as effectively as possible is much much simpler. Going through dungeon after dungeon without needing to manage pets at all, working strictly on my stats and resistances, is incredibly straight forward.

Though because of that, I'm kind of worried about them becoming actually necessary, like something I NEED to continue, past some point. Because it sounds like such a hassle to learn to counter every single issue pets cause, even if they're faster to progress with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952406
If you're running into problems with elemental attacks and not having gear, then you're speed rushing too quickly. Team builds can't speed rush, simply because you're gearing for more than just yourself. The initial curve for the team build is actually substantially slower than the solo curve as a result of this, because you need to go for a build up in terms of gold and in terms of equipment. The first grind cycle for a team build generally doesn't even touch low level dungeons (10+), because you prioritize completing gene engineering and setting up a shop. (Puppy Cave is easy gold at effectively near no risk)

This is generally why team builds feel annoying, because the micromanagement is intense until you get to the point where you can manually control their potentials. Some team builds circumvent this by using specific pets as workarounds, like Bells for sweeping or Defenders for res support, but for the most part the early micromanagement is impossible to avoid, and delaying it doesn't really help matters (because you can only speed up the build up by so much, even with food share/baskets/shops)

Ultimately, you don't need to have pets to progress. Entire solo builds up past Act III are entirely possible, because it's strictly a stats grind, unless you're going for the Chaos Child challenge or something. Inner Gods can be soloed, near max Awokens can be soloed, it's just a matter of grinding.

As far as AI goes, if you're not using Custom, then controlling their AI is primarily done via AP or via Tag Commands (basically speed and AI pairing manipulation). The latter of which works well with "most" pets, but some (like Chaos Serpent, FGD, Elemental, and some of the Gods) are very difficult to manage even with Tag Commands.

[Anonymous No.]

Are extra hands for a standard 13-slot dual wielding pet worth the speed penalty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952535
Assuming peak speed for the most simple case, with enemies at equal peak speed (2000), effectively you're losing 100 speed per body part. Without knowing your effective DPS dependent on weapon, the other way to assess this is then dependent on whether you can augment the speed loss, which is generally viable through either Cheer, Pots, etc. Effectively, as long as the pet's final speed can be maintained, the penalty from having a complicated body is negligible (but demands more effort on your part to circumvent).

Otherwise, you're going to want to create a spreadsheet for the damage, and take into consideration the damage calculations for dual wielding/proficiencies, etc and gauge it against dps based on speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952476
>Team builds can't speed rush, simply because you're gearing for more than just yourself
>The first grind cycle for a team build generally doesn't even touch low level dungeons (10+)
Ouch. I love pushing through dungeons as fast as possible, only picking up the best gear and items I see. Going as far as avoiding progressive dungeons to grind Puppy Cave does not sound pleasant.
>Ultimately, you don't need to have pets to progress.
Sweet.

Although combat aside, I really do want to set up some pet stuff like shops, sleep together roleplaying stuff at home, and ranches. Those do sound nice to play with and have run passively.
Just have to actually stop grinding and do something else.
Which is the real issue. Stopping the glorious rush of grind and doing other things in Elona is quite difficult. It's too FUN to ignore.

What pets would be the most reasonable to get to start a shop and ranch at these stats?
I never did before, and want to do that before finishing Act1 on this file. Because there's a timeskip or something? It's been a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952333
no update since last demo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952585
Also that 200h time is from letting it set running by accident while tabbed out to other things. Definitely did not play for anywhere near that long of actual gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952585
Without going into Act 2, you're stuck with either using Domination (Level dependent) or investing enough into general merchants (150+ to 200+) for higher level monster balls. With that in mind, you should be strong enough to face things like Ninjas or Camouflaged Imps. Mras and maybe Spaghetti Monsters might be too difficult to track down easily at the moment, even with the dungeon type update, just because of how monster groupings can work (and Yith being paired with problematic groups)

If you're not into the whole monster ball/domination process, you could just grind a bit more and buy a Master Thief from Derphy, though that's several tiers lower than Ninjas/Camo Imps. The important part is really just to have negotiation to start off with, everything else can technically be built from scratch, albeit requiring more effort.

Ranch is dependent on what you're trying to grind. People like to run food shops, so typically they'll go for things with heavy weight or high breed rate pets combined with high level cooking to compensate for the lower initial price. Doesn't really matter since shops can quickly ramp up in terms of profits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952654
Alrighty. I'm totally down for some findom. Have some spell stocks from dreams and/or wonder scrolls, and enough money to invest for balls.
I have 30 gene engineer too, from screwing around with it pounding monsters into each other at random. So that should help in some way.

Is there any limit to ranch amount?
Can I have a meme ranch full of nothing but Younger Sisters?

Are there any ranch pets that could be used to generate some kind of food to train strength or will notably? Or heck, any source of such food, not just ranch.
I kind of want to push those up without meleeing or riding. Herb stuff only does so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952751
Ranches are effectively limited by how many pet slots you have, i.e. you can have more than 15 ranches, but some of those will be empty. Otherwise the effectiveness is dependent on breed power, which in turn is dependent on level.

Generally speaking using Ranches to boost stats is inefficient, because in comparison things like bread and noodles are easier to accumulate and stack, which removes the food source limitation from the growth equation and allows you to focus primarily on herb accumulation (Disregarding reset looping).

Herbed food gives 800 across the board. STR boosting corpses are generally around 200 - 500 peak (without taking satiety penalties into consideration). While the corpse itself might have lower Satiation, using Ranch corpses introduces Breed Power as a third limiting parameter into the equation, and even for "effective" monsters like Hand of the Dead/Nymph it becomes another factor that you have to take into account and micromanage (Without taking Potions of Descent into consideration).

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945173
>>20952751
I mean, I've got 192 hours, and am sitting at level 66 in Act 3, with pic as my party and a stat average of 138.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952751
Also spell dominate is absolutely terrible at your level. You're better off getting a rod instead (assuming dungeons for small medals, since Hermes isn't good for Act 1). It takes a significant amount of spell levels for dominate (spell) to be more effective than dominate (rod).

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952825
First tagged post should have been >>20952585

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952825
By the stage of the game that you're at, level is a reflection of grind pathing more so than overall effectiveness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952880
Right, point more was that he shouldn't feel like he needs to slow down, game's got a lot of ways to progress.

That said, you should try to gene engineer cooking, tailoring, and carpentry onto as many pets as you can if you're going to have many pets, and get their relationship status high so that they'll cook and make miracle grade equipment for you when you sleep between 9 and 11 pm. It'll help with gearing yourself, your pets, and money if you get a pet to run a store, and the cooking will help raise your potentials as well if I remember right.

[Anonymous No.]

Healing Rain seems to not affect pets that are tag-teamed with your mount, but it still counts as ally HP < whatever% for custom AI to cast it. Kind of annoying. I'd do the tag team with the PC instead, but that breaks movement animations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952807
>>20952827
>>20952928
Duly noted, thank you.
>>20952928
It's not needing to slow down. There is certainly a long way to go yeah. Both in levels and in story progress at the very least.
Rather, it's needing to do something besides just grinding, when grinding itself is too fun to easily get distracted from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952841
How do you have a variable width font? I'm not sure if I'd want it personally but that sounds really nifty as an option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20954934
Nevermind, it's open in the config. Meiryo UI is pretty fuckin' neat, much more readable and better spaced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931624
>5 years noob

[Anonymous No.]

I dont get the wiki explanation, is there any way to avoid the blood sucking without savescuming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20955668
There is no way whatsoever to avoid bloodsucking. It happens at fixed points and the material kit trick to prevent it was removed.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.60_-_1.69#1.67
>Furthermore, measures have been introduced to ensure that living weapons gain the bloodsucking attribute when they level up when they already have the maximum number of equipment attributes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20955668
Why did you get the elemental damages instead of full crit or pierce? Most creatures resist that stuff later on, meanwhile crit and pierce are still useful...

Another decent use is maxing out a certain skill, since that increases Skill potential gain (indicated by a number of #s next to potential%), did that with a dual wielding pet to raise Tactics and Dual Wield to ##, now it grows a lot faster without the need to go back to town to raise potentials again.

[Anonymous No.]

Hypothetically, if it's 12/3, I have 93 speed (burdened and can't reduce weight), and my home near Palmia, could I:
>scroll of return home
>travel to port kapul
>spend 1 day
>travel to derphy
>spend 1 day
>return home
>travel to noyel
And make it before the festival of jure is over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956003
Do you the seven league boots?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956343
I do, and my travelling skill is at 23.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956431
That may be possible as long you take shortcuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20955790
I was young and stupid, any way to fix it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956446
If I use rods/pots of speed will they affect my overmap travel speed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956460
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29#1.86
>Added the option to remove all equipment attributes and Exp from a living weapon. Available at a certain character in South Tyris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956474
Only for a really short bit since time moves faster in the overworld

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956460
Unless you're intending to run min max, there's pretty much no reason to bother with a blank reset (which will remove every attribute other than the living weapon bit). The point at which the damage values get negated doesn't actually come all that quickly, as in, you'll be at level 1000+ dungeons when it becomes prevalent.

Hell, with stat grind, you can be far beyond that point (early late game) before the fall off becomes an issue. Figure out for yourself if you intend to play this file for that long before going for a full reset.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to re-spawn Meshera Alpha after killing her? I was trying to copy her with Astral Light Pen and I murdered her... accidentally

[Anonymous No.]

I just found out you can have more than ten hotkeys, using !-) as well as 1-0. You just have to open the menu with caps lock + shift so you can have shift held down without closing it again. Wish I knew that like three hundred hours ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958095
By the way, I don't mind using EloSnack or something to reset the quest, I just have no clue how to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958095
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Amur-Cage

[Anonymous No.]

Do special actions that use an attribute or skill train it when used? Like, can I train charisma by cheering, or gardening with violent garden?

[Anonymous No.]

Hey boys. I've been tragically unwise with my potential-management.
Is the best way to grind that shit just the potions? or are there other options?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958558
Potions are best. Picnic baskets are second-best. Getting breakfast in bed from your waifu comes in third.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958503
yes
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p3S16qPZFSdZdQoVF8hjsZf7ovS6H-cpjmSaH2qZn6I/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958584
Damn, that's a great resource. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Just got my first ranch, what should I put on there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958109
Then you save you another three hundred hours before the next discovery:
You don't need to use capslock and shift either. CTRL+[number] works the exact same way, both for setting the hotkey as well as using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958999
little boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958558
The shortest term solution without grinding out a skill or needing 100 000g for investments is probably hiring a maid so that your guild trainer can come by and train your potential for some PP.

The next would be gene engineering your waifu with cooking for some breakfast in bed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958999
Depends on what you want to get out of it. You can farm animals for just about any attribute, or something slow and low level for high breed power to get lots of money. Putit ranches seem pretty popular for the best of both worlds.

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>>20958999
Start with rabbits, if you have a shop, then move on to more lucrative ventures. You just need to remember to prune the rabbit ranch every so often.

[Anonymous No.]

>Smoke 1 weed
>End up with a crippling tobacco addiction that gives me the distracted debuff non-stop

How do I stop this please help

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>>20959534
Luck, or smoke more doinks

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>>20959534
Keep smoking, no one likes a quitter.

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Is there a reason why weapons and armor sell so low in npc shops? In other rpgs, you can sell weapons in npc shops and you can make decent money of it but in elona merchants will pay more money for literal shit, than a steel sword

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>>20959725
At least you can use the shit for something.

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>>20959595
Man, that is some glorious wordplay. I fucking love you and thought you should know.

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>>20959725
Are you playing Omake Overhaul? The author of that particular variant specifically made it so gear sells to npcs for ridiculously low prices.
Either way, you're better off selling items in a player owned shop, as a pet will sell for multiple times more gold than the player could ever sell for.

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>>20958558
Empty dungeons of resources when theres a nefia fever or bless scrolls of gain material to get cansino coins, then just win on a lucky day.

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>>20958558
You probably have enough money there to invest50 twice on a mage shop. Like Palmia is a good choice at that point. At 110-150 rank they'll stock potions of potential somewhat often. EZPZ.
Pick up any and all bottles of water you find. Drop them on an altar aligned to your god to bless them. Then mix those to bless your (stack/s of) potential potions.
While you wait for shops to stock stuff you could either go into dungeons and just clear them with bad potentials, or travel between towns doing as many listed jobs as you can handle. To get money and platinum up. It's okay to have potentials fall for a little while, while you do that.

Eventually it really helps to have alchemy levelled to make your own potions. Especially if you're that one race that gets more resources from gathering spots, though that's not necessary.
Just mage shops alone are generally enough, but alchemy is just extra nice.

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>>20959725
Because generally speaking, the quality scale multiplier isn't very effective, and selling price is lower than buying price, which is further decreased when considering NPC shop types.

The first point means that even top quality equipment doesn't actually sell for substantially higher compared to low quality equipment, you're not going to see exponential increases due to quality alone. The second means that because prices aren't high in NPC shops to begin with, they're going to be even lower when it comes to selling. This is compounded when notable equipment shops (black market vendors) have a further markup when it comes to prices, which isn't taken into consideration when the player sells to NPCs.

Player shops are substantially more effective as a result.

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>>20959725
NPC shopkeepers have always paid a vastly reduced price for gear, going back to vanilla Elona. I'm honestly not sure why.
If you want to get full price for equipment, you need to build your own shop and sell it there.

[Anonymous No.]

What determines the maximum level of creatures imitated by shades produced by a unique breeder on a ranch?

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>>20959827
Are you sure? I get much better prices for selling equipment in oomsest than I do in plus.

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>>20961891
I could have sworn I read that somewhere, but i can't find it now. I could very well be wrong

[Anonymous No.]

My first living weapon now is a kitchen knife. Nice.

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>>20962492
Finding Living Weapons in E+ is now substantially easier. Makes creating seed characters a lot quicker when it comes to accumulation.

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>>20962605
I believe it. Took me til just before level 60 to find any, but I just found a second too.
Are these worth levelling as a ranged character for now? I have a mace (for poison+magic ##### resistance) and tonfa wielded already. Pretty sure the only things I'd want on them are resistances. And I don't remember if they'll gain XP when not meleeing.

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>>20962659
They won't gain exp when not meleeing, correct. You could give them to a melee oriented pet, and just take them back to level them when they hit 100% exp. And yeah, using them as resist stat sticks if you're a ranged focused character isn't a bad idea.

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>>20958575
>>20959277
>>20960006
>>20960113
thanks boys. on my way to godhood now

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>>20962659
Thanks to the equipment crafting system and how easy it is to farm stardust, you can

Only took me 8 rounds to make 2 living daggers on my seed character, and that barely scratched the resources I had.

In comparison I still for the life of me can't find a Justice Weapon in Omake Overhaul.

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Do cute fairies ever spit artifact seeds?

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>>20962676
Alright. I'll store em away for now since pets for combat are quite a bother still. But miracle equipment is becoming more common so a set of decent resistances beyond my own could be found soon.
>>20962847
>you can
I can train them when not meleeing with equipment crafting of some sort? The only real equipment crafting I know of is artifact fusion and that can't be used with living weapons anyway.
Doesn't stardust just increase enchantment, up to +15?

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>>20962878
>The only real equipment crafting I know of is artifact fusion
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Pot_for_fusion
>Soft/Hard/Sharp equip making
>Replicates equipment item used in recipe. Will make 1 sox, 2 of speed ring, panty, aurora ring, seven league boots, and vindale cloak and 3 of anything else. Resulting gear will have random stats, attributes and material but will be at least miracle quality. Original item is consumed. Precious items cannot be used in these recipes.

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>>20962907
I don't get it. Would that just split the weapons into multiples of the same thing? How would that level them up?
I mean it does seem useful. Just not exactly relevant to this.

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>>20962930
You take a single miracle item. Say a dagger. You use that in the recipe, it spits out 3 new miracle daggers, with randomly rolled properties. It doesn't split weapons into multiples of the same thing, and it's not supposed to level them up.

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Elona can be so retarded sometimes... Reminds me of how you can get caught pickpocketing by random enemies instead of just friendly NPCs

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>>20963409
Is that uncommon or unreasonable? I'm pretty sure it works that way in many other RPGs, particularly TES games. Because stealing is stealing, even if who you're stealing from is completely inhuman.
Really makes me want to just savescum it though. If I didn't have a bunch of lost property saved up to take care of karma hits, and definitely wanted to pickpocket, I probably would.

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>>20963409
I see nothing wrong with this. You assaulted someone and felt bad for it.

>>20963437
Lost property isn't a good way to repair karma thanks to the check limitations. It's why the Vernis Thief Den loop fell apart. Easier to just use the Karma Quests instead since they don't have checks.

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>>20963294
At least miracle. They might be godly.

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Is there a way to know that nefia are in fever if I miss the message? The log scrolls so fast when there's a lot going on that it's real easy to miss.

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>>20964744
You don't notice the entire clock UI being surrounded by flames for the duration of the event?

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>>20964833
I had noticed that before but never attached any particular significance to it. But now I know, thanks.

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I've got hella seeds. But tell me, would it be more profitable to open a FARM or a RANCH? I'm unclear on the distinction.

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>>20964872
Ranches are for animals. Farms are for seeds. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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>>20964897
wh- which is more profitable?

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>>20965073
Ranches have the start up cost of one companion slot, either a rod of domination or a monster ball, and otherwise is time dependent. The cash return doesn't become prominent until your cooking is high enough to create higher quality dishes consistently, and this assumes that you'll be selling it through a dedicated shop. Output rate is dependent on the breeder, which means that the rate isn't as consistent, but a good breeder (depending on whether you use Descent pots) can output pretty high profit levels. This eventually necessitates high levels of cooking skill. There's a bit more micromanagement involved with a Ranch to get it established compared to a Farm all in all.

Farms have a low start up cost due to seeds being easy to obtain, production speeds are relatively consistent, but both Fruit and Vegetables are generally low in profit to begin with, especially if your Cooking Skill is low or nonexistent. The Farm becomes more critical over time due to the influence of Herbs, so generally priority goes to establishing the Farm earlier so that Gardening can be built up quicker. To accumulate profits via selling Fruits and Vegetables (the most accessible seeds with the lowest variation), generally you still use a Player Shop.

As far as profits go Ranches tend to have a better returns once moderately established, since a Farm that's similarly established to used moreso for growth (Accumulating resources like Wishes, Herbs, and whatnot) than profit, but technically speaking a Farm that's geared towards profit should even out if not beat out the Ranch via volume.

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Is Amurdad's artifact and turning little sisters into Kumiromi statues still the best path towards massive amounts of herbed herbs?

Also, is there any guide focused on endgame boosting so I don't have to ask all my questions here as they come up? Last I played was 1.66 and Ano won't stop changing the game up.

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>>20965205
I think ranches scale with volume better. You can just fill it up with tentacle worms or whatever and then keep moving the breeder on to a new ranch, or dojo / release it when you have enough to get the companion slot back, and then all you have to do is check back on your ranch complex whenever you feel like to pick up and cook all the eggs. Farms give more GP per game time, but that necessitates a lot more micromanagement with harvesting every few days, replanting, kicking trees for fertilizer, using fertilizer, and of course how many you can have is limited by how many Kumi statues / gems you're willing to bother duplicating. You can have as many egg ranches as you like and they're more or less set-and-forget. I'd rather make money from ranches and save farming for stuff that I can't get elsewhere.

That said, >>20964872 will want to start out with a money farm, since the good seeds are rare and you don't want to be wasting herbs and magic seeds untill you have at least like 50+ Gardening.

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>>20965260
Typically by the time that the ranch and the farm reach their peak, they're past the effective gold threshold. Granted, the threshold value tends to shift depending on build (High pet builds for instance, have a substantially higher threshold than solo builds), but generally speaking it doesn't take a peak farm or a peak ranch to hit the threshold anymore (in E+). I suppose the question becomes, is the objective to make gold for the sake of making gold, or make gold for the sake of maintaining the core grind loop? If the objective is the former, then "capped" ranches should be more effective than capped farms (since farms are limited by micromanagement whereas Ranches are limited by companion caps), but if the objective is the latter, then honestly I think they're both about the same.

The discussion probably becomes more relevant in Omake variants, since the effective gold threshold is lifted a bit higher than it would be in E+ (Even taking Fluffy Bread into account), but then Omake gets a bit more complicated with regards to gold accumulation since there are some hidden loops like overcrafted potions.

Back in the day when we used to consider "optimal" Inheritance Base runs, there was some talk with regards to optimizing Ranch runs, but even then ultimately the role of the Ranch wasn't for gold but moreso for specific items. (Since gold carry over is capped, after a while the IB character doesn't really need more gold.) As far as value goes, because of how the core grind loop is designed, it becomes difficult to argue that a Ranch is more valuable than a Farm. When we take micromanagement into account, to some extent Ranches just end up detracting away from more farms. Incidentally, for some IB runs that use Reset Loops you hit the gold threshold point extremely quickly (since some Reset Loop locations are easily several times faster than an entire set of Ranches at reaching said threshold)

Ultimately this isn't an issue of the Ranch underperforming in comparison, but rather the Farm just being too versatile (since Ranches don't directly increase herbed food production or potential pots). So while I mentioned previously that neither of the two are exclusive to one another, if it came down to a value assessment, I'd say that a Farm has higher value than a Ranch all in all.

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>>20965256
>Is Amurdad's artifact and turning little sisters into Kumiromi statues still the best path towards massive amounts of herbed herbs?
Yes. The only thing faster is Reset Looping. Music Ticket herb farming requires too much set up effort to be comparably efficient.

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>>20965256
>>20965599
Welp it cut me off. The old guide on powergaming on the wiki is still applicable (It doesn't list old grinds like Sandbag grind anymore as far as I know). I don't think it goes into detail on Music Ticket farming, that you'll probably have to do a bit of digging on warosu and read the past posts on how to do it properly (it is the standard measure for Life/Mana gain, whereas Luck is easier to gain early on.)

"Endgame" typically assumes you'll be at 2000 speed since speed is the most critical stat in the game, so it's assumed that you already have a means in mind to get there. Life and Mana are typically the most difficult stats to gain, since everything else can be obtained consistently via herbed food and other grinding.

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>>20963294
Oh I get it, that's what you meant by "you can", affirming that it is definitely easy to get living weapons and saying how.
Sorry, context is hard when talking about multiple things.

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Suddenly, having a Black Angel maintaining Dim makes these go from impossible to trivial.

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>>20965821
At your stat ranges the FGH is only a problem if it's an awoken FGH (which means its stats can easily peak into the boss ranges and it can end up one shotting you before you take a turn), or if, unfortunately, you do run into a scaled FGH, which basically means it can nuke you without having to worry about any form of crowd control or status effect. The latter is more likely than the former, since the former you have to intentionally set up.

Generally speaking, Cthugha is the more terrifying of the set. Gotta love freecast Meteors.

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>>20965205
>>20965260
>>20965520
many thanks, 200+IQ posters

[Anonymous No.]

I've noticed that my ridden pet doesn't show up in the gene engineering menu. That made me wonder, do they get to participate in breakfasts (either as maker or eater) or picnic baskets?

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I just started playing this game (custom+) like 3 days ago. I seem to have gotten into a loop of getting money from quests, then losing it all when I die or make some stupid purchase. Any tips to where to go from here? I noticed all my attribute potentials are hopeless, should I worry about that now?

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>>20968094
Try opening a shop, that's where you got all the money

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>>20968094
You'd better be near a phone or so help me shadow garden dog walking slut....?

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>>20968094
Ranches are a good low effort way to make money. Lots of people around here recommend cooking meat and selling it in a shop, but you can make decent money by turning the meat into jerky and selling it to NPCs. It doesn't take any skills or involve any costs beyond setting the ranch up.

You can worry about your potential later.

[Anonymous No.]

So I just updated from an older version and there's thirst now? Is this as annoying as it seems like it will be? I'm almost feeling like I should just revert back

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>>20968281
get custom-G senpai
removes that particular developmental blunder

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>>20968290
Oh thanks. I had Custom but I didn't know Custom G was a thing

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>>20960149
when should one begin to consider purchasing a shop deed, progresswise?

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>>20968424
Depends on which loop you're running. Generally you'll have a shop before you finish Act I unless your build doesn't have any focus on infrastructure.

Standard grind loops that don't spend excessive amounts of time in safe cycles (like Puppy Cave Loop, Reset Loop), should generally set up a shop after they've managed to properly establish either a ranch or a farm. Before that, generally speaking you're not at a point where you can sustain the shop, and early game shopkeepers aren't exactly the most efficient. Effectively the shop comes after establishing the means of production. Once you get the Ranch/Farm running properly (a stable flow of product), then you invest into the shop. Before that you only sell what you need to maintain upkeep, and preserve everything else to build stock.

Puppy Cave Loops are for extremely dedicated folks, since it's basically "farm as many scrolls of oracle by mindlessly running up and down safe floors". It isn't very efficient, but it's also safe and requires really no start up. The catch is that scrolls of oracle are efficient enough to sell to normal shops, and generally you only need it to do a basic investment cycle before you move on to more effective means. Some people will mindlessly grind Puppy Cave because it reduces the rate at which your stats grow while increasing your gold amount, and your overall dungeon level doesn't increase, which means at the end you've effectively traded time for a "head start" in gold. For people that stick to grinding Puppy Cave, a shop can be obtained at any time, it just sells products for less (either General Store or Magic Store). The only "real" benefit to a Puppy Cave Store is that there's pretty much no investment needed outside of the companion slot for a shopkeeper - you just run into wherever is safe for Puppy Cave (use a companion as a sweeper if you're too weak) and then sell everything.

Reset Loops start shops immediately after they have Pyramid access, because the Pyramid can sustain a miracle shop much faster than a Ranch/Farm can, and generally a Pyramid Cycle is around 1 minute or so in real time, and Pyramids effectively multiplies your skill growth rate early on. Vernis Loop isn't effective in this regard, because it is crafting dependent and while safe, the skill recovery rate isn't anywhere close to Pyramids. Eventually Reset Loops move on to farming Ultima instead, because she can be killed very easily early on (and Reset Loopers generally max out +15 equipment sets before level 30), but Pyramids alone is enough to break the gold threshold over the knee, so Ultima (sells corpse, evo heart, miracle+ gear) is pretty much overkill.

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Whats this?

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>>20968783
times you've died

[Anonymous No.]

Does nefia fever affect the rate of resource gathering spots in fixed dungeons like pyramid or lesimas?

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm confused, what does scroll of oracle do exactly?

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>>20969344
the game keeps a record of where and when precious artifacts are generated. static and random artifacts are both tracked. uncured oracle scrolls will print that record out to your log and reset the record.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good point to remove the limit of sales? my rock thrower is at 29 CHR and 27 Neg.

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>>20969826
You remove the limit on sales when you can consistently fill the shop without running out of stock.

[Anonymous No.]

>3 healing dreams, 2 meditations, 4 saints, a potential, and a treasure map all in one sleep
Holy fuck, body pillow of Jure is OP.

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>>20969381
Ah so it doesn't generate artifacts on your floor but it merely records where they're?

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>>20970009
Yes. You use them to gather stardust early on if you're not using a stardust ranch.

[Anonymous No.]

new thread wen

[Anonymous No.]

How does melee damage work?
Specifically, using DEX or CON weapons?

Say, using a dagger (short sword), any swing trains short sword+DEX, tactics+STR, 2h, shield or dual wield as applicable.
But despite training DEX, when it comes to damage the short sword uses STR for its modifier? (and short sword/tactics/2h)

Doesn't that make strength weapons quicker at growing damage numbers and progressing the game?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else been refreshing the thread for 20 hours hoping someone would be talking about the game but didn't want to break the silence for lack of anything particular to say about it?

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>>20975040
I always have the thread open, and generally only respond to questions I know the answers to.
Unlike that question two posts above me. I have no idea how that damage stuff works. Never bothered to look into it. As far as I know, the only reason to use something other than a lightsaber is roleplaying. (Assuming you're using a melee weapon at all, that is.)

[Anonymous No.]

Started playing this game recently and I've been trying to customize some basic things
Is there any 2hu pcc stuff to use? Couldn't find any during my search for it, just normal character shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20975206
What do you mean by normal character shit?
You can try looking throuh pixiv and the sprites archive in the OP, then make your own Touhou sprite sheet for the game.