DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1994

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, visual novels, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread: >>19716056

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I'm really sad that this word is not normally written in Kanji, because it looks so nice.

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一番強い外人なりたいかな

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イチバンツヨイガイジンニナリタい

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一番エロい外人になりたい

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THREADLY REMINDER THAT MERELY "READING MORE" ISN'T ENOUGH, YOU MUST DIVERSIFY THE GENRES YOU INTERACT WITH IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE GAINS

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>this fucking reading
fuck this language

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>>19727109
read more [things]

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>>19727109
you're implying i want to do more than watch anime and eat manga

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>>19727127
No, I mean that if all you watch/eat is high school SoL then some day a sci-fi series is gonna catch your eye and you're gonna be fucked.

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Reminder that RTK is a meme written by a snake oil salesman. KKLC is the modern improvement and is better in every way.

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>>19727141
I'd like to note that Heisig is actually esteemed, it's just that RTK is a black mark on his history.

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>>19727141
For lazy kanji KKLC is better but for writing RTK absolutely obliterates it. But most people have no need for writing.

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>>19727153
for writing you want to know japanese and write japanese, not do RTK

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>>19727153
that should go without saying. one isn't better than the other because they are meant to do completely different things. heisig wants to teach you how to write and conning wants to teach you how to read

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https://youtu.be/fpCTZQFJcjc?t=9748
is he right

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>>19727153
>>19727162
confirmed for never having looked at kklc or even read its introduction

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>>19727157
OK troll.

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>>19727163
idk but this is the best thing ever
https://streamable.com/lwi2n

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>>19727168
if you disagree with me about this you're delusional or don't know anything about japanese

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it has been 0 post(s) since the last RTK argument

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If anyone was wondering, I saw some questions about the difficulty of steins;gate versus something like Dies Irae. Well, I've read steins;gate (translated) and I have to say I don't think it's too bad, so definitely give it a go.

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>>19727167
i have the book in front of me. he tells you to put the book down at like 1200 kanji and start reading. kklc can teach you how to write and there are stroke orders for every kanji (rtk doesnt do this). but it is clearly reading focused

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>>19727181
the only thing i found difficult about steins;gate was keeping my eyes open for more than five minutes at a time while reading it

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>>19727185
i'll never believe your lies, koohii shill

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RTK is designed around learning to write with zero japanese knowledge, not even an understanding of what kanji look like or what words they're used in
if you have any such japanese knowledge then RTK is completely worthless
delaying writing until you're literate also makes writing much easier to learn

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Wait but what is the point of learning to write Japanese before you can even read it? That doesn't make much sense...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCTZQFJcjc&t=10107
WARNING: DO NOT READ TOO MUCH AHEAD OF YOUR LISTENING
you will fuck your accent if you do and merely listening more later won't magically fix it.

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i know right

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>>19727218
if you really want to know the reasoning read the rtk introduction or watch matt vs japans video on rtk. it's not a very compelling argument unless if you are autistic enough to do it in a month

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>>19727224
i speak less than 5 sentences a day in english, when tf am I gonna speak japanese

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>>19727224
Why does DJT suddenly care about accent?

Also, Matt is literally the only person who ever said reading more than listening will ruin your accent. How does he know this when he didn't do it? How long until he puts out a video saying he was wrong about it like he just did with RTK?

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So I just started a mining deck and I've been wondering what seems to be the norm: word in kanji without furigana on the front and reading plus meaning on the back, or vice-versa. I decided to go with the first option because if I'm going to read most of the time, then I have to be able to recognize words as they are in reading.

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>>19727251
meaning on the front makes absolutely no fuckin sense if you think about it for even half a minute

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>>19727251
only make recognition cards. japanese word/sentence on front, information that helps you understand the word/sentence on back. no furigana on the front

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>>19727251
what the last guy said but without sentences

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>Apologize for using yojijukugo!
Why is that?
Are yojijukugo seen like 10$ words?

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>>19727136
why does everyone say you'll be "fucked" like whoa heres this shit i don't understand i'm "fucked" now there's no possible way i'm going to be able to live now that there exists some japanese i don't understand

you'll figure it out when you get to it no need to work up a sweat

i spent like hours transcribing youjo senki when i got around to watching it because i'd never seen any military related japanese before but i was fine and not "fucked" in any sense

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>>19727275
Imagine how much more easily you'd have been able to understand it if you had spent just a few hours reading some military LN beforehand.

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>>19727275
i kinda get what he means. once you start hearing the strings of 6+ kanji words and it starts to sound more like chinese you realize you got some work to do. the good thing about learning from slice of life first is that you can nail down all the basic shit an then the scifi stuff will stick out nicely for you to work on

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ねえねえ アンオンさん

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This is an odd request:
Any Japanese media with lots of... business terminology?

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>>19727211
>>19727218
There’s no reason to remember kanji if you don’t even know kana, the absolute state.

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>>19727291
Moshidora maybe

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>>19727291
what about spice and wolf? never read it but i heard it's all about economics.

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妹がおしっこしてあげればいいな

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>>19727291
Politics.

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hey DJT
how do i tell a JK i want to do bussiness with her

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>>19727298
>Moshidora
Interesting.
>>19727301
That's a good idea, I haven't seen it in years and reading it might be in my reach if I learn some of the vocab.
>>19727317
Like uh.. the news?

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>>19727321
私のしりを攻めてください
私はゲイから。。。

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Is Saekano a decent first LN? The only stuff I've read is Flying Witch and like 4 NHK Easy articles.

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>>19727338
no matter what your first ln is, it is going to make you say "ah, oh, ooh, ow, oh no, i don't know any fucking japanese, ow ow ow" until you've read a bit of it. as long as you don't pick anything crazy like monogatari you'll be fine just make like rocky and get up after you've been knocked down

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>>19727357
So that's a yes to Saekano?

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>>19727333
Hang on anon, I don't think that's what I'm trying to say...

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>>19727368
the prologue is pretty easy to read, and prologues are usually where the author likes to put their philosophical and slightly-harder-to-understand bits of writing, so i'd say go for it if you really wanna you'll be able to
gambare anon-kun...

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>>19727280
the point is the military LN would have just stood in for youjo senki

now that I've watched youjo senki the military LN would be easier

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Is World End Economica a good read?

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>>19727407
survey says...!

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>>19727433
>Implying popular opinion is a good way to measure anything

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これは

洋ばさみ

はさみ

和ばさみもあるんだけど

はさみは洋ばさみをよくつかうとおもう

えいごでいうとscissors

ｓがおおすぎるとおもう

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>>19727435
Is there a difference between him asking this thread and me looking up the vndb ratings? Seems to me you'd get a lot more mileage out of the latter considering that it's a larger group of people who all played the game vs. a smaller group of people that probably haven't. And if that doesn't matter to you, why ask an opinion at all? Obviously, the only way to find out whether something is good or bad (subjectively) is to experience it yourself. I would never use reviews as a stand-in for firsthand experience.

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>>19727451
Because I want to know what djt, THE djt thinks about it, with at least some reasoning behind their opinion

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What podcasts or radio would you guys recommend to practice listening for Japanese?

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>>19727461
JapanesePod101.

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>>19727461
read the guide NIGGER

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>>19727338
Manga isn't reading though.

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>>19727475
flying witch has an anime

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>>19727116
Come on dawg, isn't it much more fun to spend an extra 15 seconds writing than necessary?

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>>19727461
どういうラジオがいいの

あのんの

すきなもののラジオが

いいとおもう

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>>19727461


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLINFE8v4DOhu_3LutLwJWetAhdcCrBF4X
kawama sensei


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSyd8tXJoEJKIXfrwkPdbA/videos

or misa sensei

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>>19727485
Oh sorry about that, anime isn't reading either though.

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>>19727398
Guess I'm loading up the whole series on my Kindle

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>>19727498
>actually owning a kindle
Based

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>>19727475
What would you recommend I read?

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What's the most difficult VN you've read in Japanese?

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>>19727506
Aikagi

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at what level of japanese to you have to be to read yotsuba?

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>>19727518

do you you have to be*

fuck!

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>>19727502
Whatever you like

>>19727518
see >>19727475

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どぅー　ゆー　らいく　みー？

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のー

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あいむ　いん　たいふーん　なう

いつ　へびー　うぇざー

どぅー　ゆー　らいく　あす？

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>>19727596
I do not like.

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>>19727596
As for me, it is you that not like

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I remember when I was still a beginner, I kept reading that you could start reading after you learned basic Japanese grammar. Unfortunately, I thought that "basic grammar" was the first 4 chapters of Genki I. As you can probably imagine, my reading attempts were never successful.

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>>19727491
Anything to an anon's assertion few threads ago that the 日本語の森 people aren't native speakers?

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if you don't read mango you won't learn very important words such as 乱交 膣 巨根 中出し 寝取られ

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>>19727497
sure it is

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>>19727645
that's LN

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>>19727645
Only words I need to know are むっちり and ビッチ

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>>19727518
>>19727521
don't worry about it
manga is reading
the most basic level of japanese is ok for yotsubato

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>>19727508
But only because I can't help but feeling jealous of these two people finding love

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氷は冷たい
あたしは可愛い

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today is the day

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>>19727629
It appears that they have instructors who teach it in several languages, Korean and Vietnamese being among them.

Once you're learning it in Japanese though, it doesn't matter because at that point you should have a decent sense for what (if anything) is "wrong" in their speaking.

I think this channel's approach is solid, but it takes some self-study and lots of practice to reach that golden point of "I can learn this material IN japanese," and at that point the language really does start to open up a lot.

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https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

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>>19727470
>>19727461
Agree on jPod101
Only thing is - there is to much English in courses below 'intermediate'.
intermediate also has some, but is okay.

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>>19727720
>Once you're learning it in Japanese though, it doesn't matter
Fair enough. I can understand their videos, but whether or not I'll remember it is another matter entirely.

I just love their dialect videos, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moro_-E4H0k.. しはる instead of してます sounds so much better to this dumb, dumb weaboo ears.

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>>19727735
>watch video
>put grammar point on a flash card
>put some example sentences on the back
>also put meaning (in japanese) on the back

there's only a few hundred grammar points, a few weeks of drilling them in your spare time (and READING) will put them in your soul.

The dialect videos ARE excellent, and one of the few sources anywhere (besides just listening to people use the dialects) that can actually teach you what's going on.

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>>19727742
I haven't tried to make my own grammar anki deck because it just doesn't feel right putting grammar points on a flash card. It feels more...complex than vocab, which usually corresponds to one thing.

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>>19727742
read them once on some website then read for a week instead

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Can anyone explain to me why 迚もじゃないが is a stronger way of saying 迚も instead of meaning the opposite of 迚も? I know the phrase stems from 迚も斯くても but it still makes no sense to me whatsoever.

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>>19727735
これ

だれむけなの？

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Just finished reading the first volume of キノの旅 and don't know what to do with myself. I think I'll go to bed, for now. That last story was pretty weird, though. I feel like Kino treated the rest of the stories pretty consistently, but seeing that shit with her own eyes and not being bothered and not even blaming or judging anyone for it was weird.

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>>19727727
What are the advantages of this guide over the others? We are spoiled for choice these days.

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>>19727819
It's really short and none of the examples are made up.

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木曜日=目標日

皆さん、今日の日本語の目的はなんですか？読みたい本がある？見たいアニメ・ビデオ・ドラマなどなどがありますか？

(日本語で投稿だけ)

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>>19727830
きょうは

たいふうを

いきのこります

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Recently I've been picking up a notebook to help decipher sentences in Japanese. Is this a good idea or a bad idea?

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エッチしよう

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Why does everyone just spend their time constantly shitposting about X method vs Y other method 24/7? You should all be spending that time learning... I think these threads encourage never-starting-syndrome way too much because instead the time is spent instilling doubt about every possible method.

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>>19727889
I actually have this because I'm too busy writing essays for fuckin psych because this was required. I'll read the ajatt table of contents one of these days when I actually get time. I think people forget how much time is consumed with useless things like psychology and literature classes.

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>>19727883
good idea just don't overdo it

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>>19727889
It's like asking "how do you study japanese" has become a way to make small talk here

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>>19727069

You should like this one even better, then:

歠る

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I'm new to reading and it's been hell so far. My grammar isn't very good either. Do I focus on understanding one book completely or gloss over multiple books instead

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>>19727924
How the fuck are you supposed to read those kind of kanji
it just looks like a black box on my computer
though I should probably get a bigger screen

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>>19727928
Find one that really grabs you then stick with that one.

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>>19727929
It's clearly two hourglasses on top of a pedastool with some shit in the background.

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>>19727928
Tay tay kim jong un's guide

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>>19727924
Gotta know it for 漢検一級. It's almost unknown, otherwise.

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somewhere out there on the Japanese internet, is there a mirror image of DJT, where Japanese anons struggle to learn English and grapple with despair? I want to spectate their efforts, compliment their English and tell them to がんばれ

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>>19727910
I wouldn't call it "small talk" since that shit engrosses the whole thread and leads to multi-thread flamewars. Even if leddit asks dumbass questions, at least they're trying to learn instead of looking down on every method.

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What did everyone read today? Today I read KKK.

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>>19727978
https://lavender.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1528993381/l50

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you're doing it wrong you need to tell them they suck at learning english and how much of a failure they are for not getting fluent in 10 months

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>>19728010
you think we're being sarcastic?

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>>19727929
Increase your font size, has nothing to do with your screen.

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>>19728010
can confirm best method. id still be in genki 1 if it werent for you guys. now im too embarrassed to even think about opening that book

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>>19728004
Holy shit imagine trying to learn English from television. Most mainstream TV has horrible writing and is overly dramatic (not to mention the vocabulary is nothing like colloquial). Now I get why anime is such a horrible baseline.

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>>19728004
The Wire is their Muramasa.

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>>19728004
they're so cute

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>>19728056
give them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lElf7D-An8

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暗記で学ぶのは、続くからですね。
効率を求める人には向かないけど、到達点はこういう趣味から学ぶ人が一番高いね

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Guys, you're not worthless. If Steve can learn Japanese, so can you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjV-7a2bHH4

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redditに帰る

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>>19728125
>貴様、REDDITに戻れ
治した

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>読みに行け
なおしてあげた

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>>19728099
ちょっとみちゃう

オロＣおもしろいかもしれない

カントリーマアムあじがこくてあたしはきらい

スルメはおいしいとおもう

ブラックブラックあじがこすぎてたべられない

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>>19727056
middle guy is me when i visit djt

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>>19728146
pussy

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how is DJT even moderated?
can't you guys just discuss illegal stuff in Japanese and the mods won't know?

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ねー
ロリを強姦しようよ

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RTKよりこのビデオシリーズを見た方がとてもいいんだな。HEISIGサマの方法の効果がイマイチ。一方、ユキ先生の漢字教える方法は銃があります。

一方的な試合です。ユキ勝ち、HEISIG負け。

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>>19728099
It sure feels weird when an 外人 speaks 日本語

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>>19728170
yeah but no one here knows japanese

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>>19728170
That depends on whether the mods know 日本保

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>>19728208
>日本護

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>>19728210
>日本誤

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>>19728186
Not gonna learn shit from some video series.

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>>19728170
That depends on whether the mods know　日本語

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>>19728170
You can discuss illegal stuff on any board in English and the mods won't do anything.

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>>19728216
I'm pretty sure no stuff is illegal to discuss by USA laws, 1st amendment and all.

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>>19727109
5 hour late reply that reading solely SoL if enough to bring you to N5.

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>>19728214
>not gonna learn shit
>except actual Japanese

You realize that there's not a lick of English in these videos, right? Every single sentence you can comprehend in there is worth its weight in gold, and there are hours and hours of content here which not only provide great LISTENING practice, but also new grammar/kanji knowledge, or reinforcement for your current knowledge.

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>>19728216
Wrong, I once got baned for saying I wanted to have sex with a little girl

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>>19727109
crossfit pls go and stay go

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>>19728170
You do know that the admin is Japanese right

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>>19728232
Yes, yes, I bet hiro is spening all day lurking and figuring out if anyone is planning to kill or rape someone (in japanese)

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>>19728225
Wouldn't moot have been pleased that someone wanted to have sex with him? That mod must have been fired later.

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>>19728237
mootって誰のこと？

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[Anonymous No.]

i'm almost finished core 6k, is there another deck i can jump straight into to increase vocabulary? i have heard of a core 10k, but then will i have to start all over or is there a simple way to delete all known cards?

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>>19728243
Yes, it's called a book.

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>>19728223
videos don't have any weight, you know

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>he doesn't watch

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>>19728243
Remember to do core20k after you're done core10k. Once you finish core20k, core20k+ is the last step before you're fluent.

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>>19728239
俺のペットです

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>>19728243
> core6k
Why do people do this

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>>19728245

i read as well but exclusively reading to pick up vocabulary is obviously inefficient. if i am at 6k and can't even read most seinen easily then there must be another deck waiting for me

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>>19728243
Just make a mining deck and start reading dumb faggot

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>>19728255
>>19728259

as i already said i do read and i do have a mining deck, but i would have progressed a lot slower if i quit at 2k and only did my mining deck, why would i do that?

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>>19728262
If you don't mine enough words to saturate whatever number of new cards you set, then you don't read enough.

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>>19728243
there was a webpage that had a list with only the stuff exclusive to 10k but i can't find it now. i've exported my anki stack of that so hopefully it's usable and i didn't fuck it up
https://megashare.megahd.com.br/fdeb6edd5cba0deac460987f720d6a4f
>>19728259
speaking from personal experience here. i tried reading after 2k and it's just impossible. then after 6k you'll just waste your time typing in stuff that's in 10k anyways. 10k is still mostly in the tier of stuff that's absolutely fundamental if you want to read anything above children's picture book level without gouging your eyes out for having to get a new word every other sentence. reading is more or less bearable after 10k but i'd definitely be down for a 20k if it existed.

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>>19728240
>I can read all of that
Now I just have to actually understand them!

Why the fuck did I learn how to read things first without knowing what they mean? First Arabic, and now this?

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>>19728349
>i tried reading after 2k and it's just impossible.
Counter-argument, I tried reading after 500 words and it went fine. Those 500 words were from 2k by the way, I got bored and started reading.

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>>19728349
>10k is still mostly in the tier of stuff that's absolutely fundamental if you want to read anything above children's picture book level without...having to get anew word every other sentence
Seems a bit too much here.

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>>19727282
what SOL stuff did you read first?

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>>19728349

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>>19728377
are you studying properly or just going for the immersion meme? i recall having similar experiences, playing a game literally meant for toddlers and understanding jack shit. practice reading/grammar with shin kanzen master before going too deep into native material, ESPECIALLY fantasy crap as it uses a lot of arcane shit.
literal-ass translation:
>Since it is that the hero came from future, what happens in this age, if the memory returns might know something about. I mean, that information could even help in the fight against demon king. If hero gets accustomed to magic [might recover memories or whatever isekai bullshit this incomplete sentence ends with]
>>19728379
what were you reading? light manga? i tried mostly video games and online articles at the time

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>>19727153
>>19727157
So is RTK really the best way to start writing? I thought making up sentences with Kanji of each grade would be better but RTK seems to work in a more gradual approach. I already know quite a bit of words (6k) and I definitely have most of the jouyou + a few more in my deck so it's not like I don't know them, I just don't know how to write them.

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>>19728466
>Video games
Video games I find are difficult to read because of a general lack of repetition and the liability you'll start skimming as soon as you understand what to do.
I started with the typical Yotsuba, I went into some other kiddie manga after that like Doraemon. As for online articles, I did go into NHK Easy pretty early on.

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>>19728377
were you forced to memorize the quran too?

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>>19728466
>are you studying properly or just going for the immersion meme?
haha, man, I was just shitposting. >>19728495 is what I was going for. As a non-Arabic Muslim I spend like a year learning how to read Quranic Arabic, which is an old Arabic used exclusively for the holy book, but I don't actually understand what they mean. The importance there is to recite properly, not necessarily understanding what the Qur'an meant.

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>>19728482
The best way to start writing is to write. RTK is a way to help those too retarded to memorize kanji shapes by themselves, and as such, it is useful. But definitely not necessary and most likely not beneficial if you're not retarded. For one, knowing how to write kanji does not equate knowing how to write words.

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>>19728490
Gyakuten Saiban is great for the advanced beginner stage because the text comes in easily digestible small chunks, they repeat many times a different set of keywords each case (like if for example the case was about an embassy you're going to learn 治外法権 for sure), and they're a good first step for getting out of furigana pleb status.

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>>19728517
kanadajin?

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>>19728531
>like if for example the case was about an embassy you're going to learn 治外法権 for sure
Dude I don't even know what that means in English, why do I care what it is in Japanese? I'll give my man Wright a try though.

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>>19728531
Also it's been like an accepted fact that the localization of Gyakuten Saiban (original trilogy at least) is one of the greatest work in the field of localization, so I always wanted to check.

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>>19728542
>なるほど
>Wright
It unironically takes a genius to think of this.

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>>19728542
>仮面マスク
>Mask DeMasque

I truly believe we got the superior version of the game. This, and so many other things would have been done 10x worse by anyone else.

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>>19728542
Except for the fact that setting it in America drove the localization team into a corner and made localizing 大逆転裁判 impossible.

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>>19728517
That's some high level brainwashing there. Putting recitation above comprehending what the fuck you're reading. I would get out out before it's too late. The illusion/manipulation will grow stronger the older you get.

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>>19728557
There are actually recital competitions and memorization competitions. Kids participate in those. Though by the time you memorize the whole thing (there are people who do this) you actually memorize the meanings as well.

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>>19728554
To be fair they had no way of knowing that something like that would happen. Rather than driving themselves in a corner, they were driven into it by the actual authors.

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>>19728554
They didn't localize 逆転検事2 either, for some reason. Though I believe by that time the localization effort wasn't quite so good.

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>>19728571
Maybe Capcom America thinks if the game doesn't have Phoenix Wringht it won't sell.

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>>19728566
I was forced to participate in those yearly growing up and I fucking despised them. Memorizing 2-3 chapters and getting up on a stage in front of 300-400 faggots trying not to stuttur as they jam the mic in your face... I got a lot resentment built up thanks to that. I won 1st place once and 3rd twice but that meant jack shit. Didn't know the meaning of what I was reciting and 99% of the people listening didn't either. A true circle jerk. The memorize first and learn meaning later does not work.

[Anonymous No.]

guys.

did i miss something or is yomichan not updated since forever? iam missing cutom hotkeys and loading all entry load in cache hotkey from rikaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

>all this gyakuten saiban talk
>download VBA and the rom of the first game
>this page came up
Like slamming to a concrete wall while encased in a concrete ball

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>>19728567
what they did have a way of knowing is that setting the first game in california would lead to the second game onwards having fucking japanese villages in the mountains and shit at a 2 hour train ride from los angeles.
>>19728575
they halfassedly shoved phoenix wright into apollo justice for sales. it ruined both characters.
>>19728608
gyakuten saiban is not for "furigana pleb" beginners, don't listen to humblebraggers.

[Anonymous No.]

why is fukking katakana still giving me stutters while reading after all these years...

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>>19727368
It's not a bad place to start, but you might get lost. Meta stories like saekano can get deep into wordplay and some things might go over your head because you're focusing on figuring out how to read.

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>>19728608
If that text scares you so much you're not at the level when you can play the game yet. But to be fair those "kanji soups" only show up when you're introduced to a new scene.

>>19728622
>gyakuten saiban is not for "furigana pleb" beginners, don't listen to humblebraggers.
Any first venture outside of furigana land is going to be hard.

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>>19728643
>wordplay
I await for the day I can fully understand Japanese puns. Then and only then will I feel like I've accomplished something. Until then, I'm gonna spend an hour trying to understand about 2 pages of Japanese text

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727506
_____hanahira__

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/Lo4BrhIFcmo

>I know Japanese because I watch a lot of ANIME, even though I've never bothered to actually learn the language
>I have problems with the way people translate things because it's not accurate to the original context

Jesus, what an insufferable asshole. I fucking hate people like this so much. Just learn the goddamn language you fat piece of shit. Why are people like this?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the "gravelly" Japanese woman voice sound go nice? The weather gal from the Japanews 24 channel has it, as well as this gal from this crappy shopping show.

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>>19728649
>If that text scares you so much you're not at the level when you can play the game yet.
Honestly I was trying to say "oh wow look at how many lines I can read easily already! Learning!" but then that box stops me in the tracks. I actually have all the materials (I know 地方, 裁判, 被 告 人 from different vocab, and 控え室), but I just never see them combined in one string like that.

I'm more surprised at how small that screen is, actually. Fuck, I used to play games on screens that small?

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>>19728669
>youtube
This was your mistake. Unless you intentionally get off on anger.


Also Dunning-Kruger

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>>19728669
I'm not even going to open that since I don't want to give youtube retards views but he is probably right. You don't need to be fluent to know that translating ''Inu'' as ''monkey'' isn't right.
Also, you are a huge faggot for watching videos of guys like him.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsbOyn72HpM
So guys, apparently we shouldn't learn kanji for the first year. Based AJATT brose.

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>>19728689
Do you actually watch all 56 minutes of this?

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>>19728466
I'm still an Anki beginner scrub. I got like.... 1200 words learned, and about 500 kanji. Can read both kana just fine. And I'm halfway into Tae Kim's Guide (taking it slow with that).

I'm planning on hitting 2000-2500 vocab, and around 1000 kanji before jumping into Yotsuba.

How much longer till I can do proper reading/grammar practice with NHK, the Shin Kanzen, etc...

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>>19727291
島耕作 series.

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>>19728691
Yes.

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>>19728675
>I'm more surprised at how small that screen is, actually. Fuck, I used to play games on screens that small?

Well, you're playing a GBA game. The DS version is a little bigger (and has more content). There's also the 3DS version which has a clearer text font, and the iPhone version but I have no idea about emulating iPhones.

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>>19728685
>>19728686
It's Digibro, so you know what's coming. Dude's complaining about some subs not translating desu correctly based on cultural context, and being overly pedantic about subs in anime. I mean, I get his angle, but he's still a fucking idiot. Also, him pretending "he knows some Japanese cause he watches a lot of anime" is just flat out retarded.

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>>19728707
Is the GBC's monitor bigger? I remember sitting on the back of my dad's car, waiting for my mum's graduation ceremony to finish, playing Pokemon Red. I was still learning English then, which makes playing the game kinda hard.

Also wow, I just remember my parents leaving me in a locked car alone for hours. Good old days.

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>>19728649
>Any first venture outside of furigana land is going to be hard.
if you're still using vocabulary to help you learn kanji rather than the other way around you probably shouldn't bother with any native media at all, let alone a legal drama that requires you to have impeccable reading comprehension to progress.
>>19728696
NHK easy is, well, easy. you should be able to go there already to get some vocabulary because the whole point is the hard words used in real articles being explained and contextualized in extremely simple sentence structure.
Shin Kanzen Master has lower level books as well, though I never used those so I don't know if they're easy enough.

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>>19728734
>NHK easy is, well, easy.
What are some other news websites to check? Not necessarily easy ones, I just wanted to see other news sites.

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>>19728708
>pretending "he knows some Japanese cause he watches a lot of anime" is just flat out retarded
t. under 10k hours of anime

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>>19728669
Which one of you is this

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>>19728669
>3:11

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around the 5 minute mark digibro attempts to speak Japanese

so much for 10000 hours of anime

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>>19728669
What bothers me is that these anime "critics" have the gall to hold themselves in such high regard, and call themselves "artists" when they can't even be bothered to learn the language and watch anime raw in order to critique it properly. I mean, it's their fucking job, isn't it? Watching anime raw is watching it as it's intended, and a different experience from watching subs. Yet these chucklefucks can't even put the modicum of effort necessary to be able to be taken seriously.

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>>19728779
Oh boy wait until you hear him try to pronounce long LN titles.

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>>19728780
$3,639 a month

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>>19728791
absolutely infuriating

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>>19728789
I doubt you bookworms have any better pronunciation.

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>>19728797
my mother tongue is actually Spanish, so my pronunciation in Japanese is actually my strongest suit. When I visited Tokyo for the first time 3 years ago, I wasn't even N5 level, just knew some kana and basic words, and Nips thought I had a much higher level than I actually did due to my pronunciation being so on point. They'd go on rants in full Nip when I asked for directions or whatever, until I told them to slow down and that I didn't actually know any Japanese.

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>>19728807
Did you get fooled by 日本語上手?

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>>19728807
I keep hearing spaniards boasting about their pronunciation.
>>>vocaroo.com

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>>19728809
I don't think so. I can tell when someone is trying to flatter me. This was me having to interrupt them mid-sentence, and asking them to say it in English as I didn't know any Nip.

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>>19728812
It's because we have the exact same vowel sounds, and Spanish also has a strong affinity for hard sounds, and lots of Sh.

The only things for a Spanish speaker to watch out for it the double constant with the small Tsu, Tsu in general, and the fact that the R sound is different, but that one is also very similar to the Spanish R (not the double RR which Americans always struggle with - but the less common lighter one which is very similar to the Japanese one).

I can't vocaroo btw, no mic.

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>>19728825
Do spaniards also have an innate affinity for Japanese pitch accent?
Being able to pronounce the kana properly is only one aspect of sounding right.

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>>19728825
I've read that a thousand times, my language is all hard sounds but you don't hear anybody boasting.

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>>19728833
We have tildes as well, yes. We'll put an accent on certain vowels based on emphasis. For example, all past tense verbs have an accent on the final vowel like "corrio" the accent would go on the O, where you're placing the most stress. You have different rules on accent ofc, Japanese has its own set of rules, very different from Spanish, but the core concept is fundamentally the same, and you'd already have a knack for it. Whereas in English, you never really delve into pitch accent despite some words having it. Because is becAUse, not bEcause for example. But because you were simply taught to memorize it in a per word basis more or less, you never really had to think about it. In Spanish, we had to learn the rules for what pitches go where and whatnot. That said, our grammar in regards to accents isn't nearly as complex as say French,

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcM9kCZt9o8

nukemarine face reveal

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>>19728854
What's your language?

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>>19728856
qt

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彼女にはもうこんなこと覚えさせてる
That means that the girl was taught those things by someone, rather than her self-teaching, right?

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>>19728807
Ah, I speak spanish as well and I was wondering if this could be an issue

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>>19728859
A slavic one.

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>>19728885
Hmm, idk actually. It could be partially cultural. Hispanics tend to boast a lot in general. It's just part of the way people are cultural. But secondarily, I think it's also due to the vowel sounds being so similar, that both languages have a very similar cadence to them when spoken. Like, it's the exact same 5 for both. And this comprises a lot of the sounds you'll be hearing. Wheras, whereas English for example has 12 sounds, adding a lot more confusion for people coming in from that language. And even some of the sounds that are similar between English, Spanish, and Japanese, like the A sound, is more similar between Spanish and Nip than English. It's complicated, but it comes down to the phonetics of it.

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>>19728880
I don't know. I don't speak japanese

[Anonymous No.]

This is the Spanish vowel chart

[Anonymous No.]

This is the Japanese vowel chart
I'd like to see some other languages to compare them

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>>19728917
Here's the English one. It's American English, iirc, British English and American English have slight variations on vowel sounds.

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>>19728929
This is the French one.

[Anonymous No.]

Those charts are just as confusing as the charts made before showing the intersection of people who pass N1 and people who can't speak Japanese.

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>>19728934
This is German.

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>>19728941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_diagram
It's really not too hard to read

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>>19728944
And this is Russian.

>>19728941
It's confusing if you don't know what you're looking at.

It basically describes the pitch and tone of the sound coming from your mouth. Top is high pitch, bottom is low pitch. Left is more I tone, and Right is more O tone. If that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

Science is cool and all but it doesn't beat hearing the real thing.

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck even IS russian

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>>19728973
a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

I've been studying for about 10 months or so. Somewhere at around 1000 kanji into Anki but still struggling a lot to learn.

Would it be feasible and possible to be fluent in another 4 years? JPLT N1? N2? Should I expect more like 7+?

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>>19729054
>around 1000 kanji
what does he mean by this?

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>>19729054
How do you only know 1000 kanji after 10 months?

I'm 5 months in, and I'm at 1000 kanji and 1500 vocab.

Do you not study every day? At 10 words a day, which is piss easy, you should be at around 3000 words now, and you can learn the kanji in supplement to that. On average, 2 years to N2 is fairly reasonable, with 4 years for N1.

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>>19729068
He means he can remember the shape, the "readings" and a vague meaning of 1000 kanjis, but not actual words.

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>>19729068
Sorry, cards in my anki deck.

>>19729094
I have been going slow to try and avoid burnout. I really want to get serious about grinding though.

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>>19728482
You'll know what kanji goes with which words via exposure and fluency. You'll remember exactly how to write those kanji with R*K. Ask anyone who's fluent and wanted to learn to write like M*TT.

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>>19729121
I've gone for 30 a day a couple times, and that's what leads to burnout. 20 is the average. Since burning out a couple times, taking a month off, and then restarting it again TWICE, I learned to just go for 10 a day, which is super-lightweight in contrast. As long as you're studying every day, that's the key. Any slower than once a day is too slow imo. And 10 words a day is piss easy, since you get a lot of katakana thrown in, as well as variants of words you already know time again. So really, with each batch of 10 cards, you're learning like 1 or 2 new words. Combine this with learning Kanji alongside it, and you're looking at 1hr of study a day. Super easy dude.

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>>19729121
>1000 cards per 10 months
>3 new cards per day

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>>19728397
i don't remember reading slice of life. there are tons of good anime though. honey and clover is really good and nice to listen to many times over. nisekoi is really basic stuff too but it's not SOL. as far as reading i can recommend welcome to the nhk, it's just really basic subject matter. death note is pretty good, really the only weird stuff in that is the shinigami stuff. the most important thing is to watch stuff YOU like, because the more you can re-listen things the better

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>>19728004
>they have to watch quality shows like sopranos
>we have to watch moe
It's just not fair. English has the best quality content in the world so it's easier for everyone to learn it than it is for us to learn their language.

[Anonymous No.]

this day TOPIC PARTICLE !

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>>19729121
Don't tell me you haven't started reading...

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>>19729157
epic meta humor buddy, only advanced nihongoers like us get it.

[Anonymous No.]

How many cards do you need in your Anki deck to start reading?

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>>19729180
zero

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>>19729180
According to the sticky, 1000-2000. The more you know, the easier it gets. But that you shouldn't postpone it past 2000. Personally, I'm gonna shoot for around 2000/2500, and 1000 kanji before jumping onto Yotsuba, and then going from there.

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>>19728917
Here's a chart for my native tongue, if that helps you
>>19729180
It depends on the person. It generally is ten thousand minus the number of anime you've watched.

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>>19729180
it's never going to be enough. you just have to start reading. you need to throw yourself against the wall

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729204
Is there no multiplier for anime?
1 less card per anime seems quite low

[Anonymous No.]

why is nukemarine so obsessed with his memrise course? both matt and now this mangapants guy have made fun of nukemarine and his shitty method and nukemarine gets so pissed even though he's not fluent after 10 years of japanese study

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone elaborate on the expression ともなく? I don't get it. What does "express the uncertainty or lack of intent in what precedes it". For e.g.
彼女の両親は二人ともなくなっている。
What is uncertain here? Her dead parents?

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>>19729208
Only if you eat the manga first to acquire the taste.

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>>19729220
it's 二人とも not ともなく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729147
> we have to watch moe
No you don't

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>>19729253
We can just EAT moe works, for example Doraemon.

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>>19728880
not someone, but the speaker

I've taught her those things.
彼女にはもうこんなこと覚えさせてる

the girl was taught those things by someone
その女の子はこんなことを覚えさせられてる

[Anonymous No.]

My bad about my previous post
Can someone elaborate on the expression ともなく? I don't get it. What does "express the uncertainty or lack of intent in what precedes it". For e.g.
彼女はどこからともかく突然現れた。
What is uncertain here? Where she popped up from?

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>>19729180
500 is pretty much enough. No matter how many you have you'll still struggle though.
Personally i started reading after less than a hundred cards and dropped anki entirely, the thousands of anime hours do actually help. I'm actually surprised at how many words i know.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/xcM9kCZt9o8#t=1h13m2s
lol

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>>19728856
Go to Nuke's channel and sort videos by "oldest to newest" and you'll see his face. He revealed it 8 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729342
>HEH HEH ANYTIME DUDE HEH HEH DOUZO HEH
Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.]

Do people on Japanese imageboards hate newfags?
how many anki cards should i have learned before posting?

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>>19729342
How can anyone watch this

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>>19729180
i have 0 cards in my anki deck and only made it to the "verb particles" section of tae kim (and read a bit ahead on conditionals), and started reading ley line and i'm gonna try to read 2 hours of it today. so start reading today. i think i should work through a core deck every day for the first few hundred words though, to help remember them more.

[Anonymous No.]

こんなじかんにあのんがおきてる

あたしはねる

[Anonymous No.]

What drives people to first and foremost watch shitty language learning e-celebs and post about them here? A mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729413
they're interesting/funny to me and i know it bothers a lot of people so it's two birds with one stone

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>>19729353
They'll hate you regardless, so don't worry

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>>19728702
Was this one of the series referenced in Japanese: the Manga Way? 42 volumes glorifying corporate wage slavery, not sure how to feel about that.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/manga/ran/pages/ヤング%20島耕作.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729413
Idiots learn from experience, sages learn from the experience of others.

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>>19728522
I'm just asking what's the best way to get good at writing. I thought about RTK because it starts with shapes that are simpler to draw, so I thought this would be better. I never used RTK to learn words, I dived directly in core 2k and then reading. This is strictly about writing, not memorizing kanji/words.

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>>19729326
>彼女はどこからともかく突然現れた。
>What is uncertain here? Where she popped up from?

sure
彼女は[どこからともなく]突然現れた。
-> She suddenly appeared from nowhere.
どこwhere からfrom (とも) なくno

彼女は[扉の後ろ]から現れた。
-> She appeared from behind the door.

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>>19729436
No, but JtMW did feature another series by the same mangaka (about a politician, not a businessman).

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>>19729445
matt and britvsjapan both decided that RTK would be the easier way to learn to write after they had already gained fluency, because the RTK method makes it easier to remember exactly what components make up a kanji, whereas your fluency will give you a vague image in your head of which kanji goes in which words. to be honest people have good arguments against RTK in this thread but take what they say with a grain of salt because a lot of it just stems from hatred, because trolls bring up RTK all the time.

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>>19729326
ともかく basically sets what was said previously aside to make room for what comes next

どこから from where　ともかく forget about that 突然現れた suddenly appeared

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>>19729438
based mt. stupid hermit

[Anonymous No.]

yogapants is extremely unlikable

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>>19729459
Yeah that's why I thought about RTK in the first place. When I'm reading 解釈 I can immediately recognize it, read it and understand its meaning, but if you ask me to write it, I will only have a vague mental image of what this looks like. Am I dumb or is this normal? It's why I want to learn how to write in the first place)(outside of the fact I like writing in general).

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>>19729476
>I'd rather figure stuff out on my own than use what other people say
Somehow I don't believe you would be doing anything effecting without listening to others. Who's really the moron here, the guy who thinks he knows everything he needs to know already or the guy who accepts that others who have already done it know stuff he doesn't? The answer is you.

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>>19729488
that explains why he and matt are such good friends. both are autistic little asshole weirdos who don't realize how weird they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729515
I think you're confused.

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>>19729522
they both talk the same too　なんかまーそれまあぁべんきょうのしかたなんか it sounds ridiculous for how old they are, but i guess they both sound like little punks when they speak english too

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>>19729536
Sorry, ESL, it happens a lot. I try my hardest.

[Anonymous No.]

I started reading kino no tabi and managed to reach the end of the prologue
Really surprised at my hiragana reading speed, comparing it to how it was before is surreal and i only just started. Its still pretty slow and i mix things up but the Just Read maymay really isn't a jape, there's very noticeable improvement.
That being said i don't know if I'm doing the kanji right. I feel like i rely on translations too much, should i put extra effort into understanding and memorizing the kanji or do i focus on following the story? At what point should i start mining?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at the beginner stage where I normally don't care about making mistakes. However, I'm about to send a Japanese friend a gift so I don't want to screw up the message I'm sending with it. Is this grammatically correct?

A cute game for a cute friend!
可愛いゲームには可愛い友達!

The "ni ha" part in particular confuses me. I apologize for my stupidity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729585
I meant to write "友達よ!" at the end, not just "友達!"

[Anonymous No.]

What are some good apps for memorizing kana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729585
Making a mistake would probably be cuter dude, your boyfriend will appreciate it more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729585
I don't know japanese but i think what you're sending translates to "a cute game is a cute friend!"
You need to jam some sort of giving word in there, i think

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729607
nukemarine's kana video series

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>>19729608
T-thanks.
I'm not even joking: you're right about my friend being male, and although I've said it openly before and passed it off as a joke, I actually do have a slight crush on him

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729585
This is weirdly phrased but slightly cute so it's probably fine.

[Anonymous No.]

ねえねえ アンオンさん!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729618
What would be the simplest way to rewrite that while keeping "可愛いゲーム" at the beginning of the sentence? I just tried something with "wo" and a verb for "give," but I don't think it makes sense either.

>>19729622
Looks like I'm going with that, then! Thanks for all the advice, everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729620
Faggot weirdo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729620
あなたはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729633
ur the faggot buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729633
いじめてはダメです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729630
Honestly just keep it, he should understand it assuming he's aware of your 2nd grade nihongo
which one of you dresses as a trap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729607

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>>19729630
Err, I misread your sentence, it should be:
可愛い友達には可愛いゲームが要るよねヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ for extra gayness, since you seem to be into that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729655
way to sound like you've got a stick up your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

you literally take sticks up your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729662
Isn't that essentially the point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729670
I was praising you.

[Anonymous No.]

Why should I learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

it's fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729607
copy this list into anki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gairaigo_and_wasei-eigo_terms

The only important fields are the kana and the romaji columns. Create cards in both ways Kana->Romaji & Romaji->Kana. New cards in random order.

That should take care of learning the katakana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729683
So you can get a jap bf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729683
Because you hate yourself and have nothing better to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729662
Thanks, I appreciate it. I put in some effort for it to sound ハルドゲーイ.

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently I'm too much of a brainlet to discern which words are worth mining and which aren't. Was reading an NHK article and came across
南極
打ち上げる

and am not sure if either are worth adding to my deck considering how basic my vocabulary is. Any rules of thumb for which words to mine? Is NHK easy basic enough to warrant mining the majority of words on there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728856
I wouldn't be surprised if a not insignificant percentage of their monthly donation revenue is the byproduct of all of these language learner e-celebs effectively floating money between themselves to provide the illusion of popularity. It can be seen on their pages that they are all donating to each other.
In particular he was somehow able to convince people on koohii to do the grunt work for what is now a personal revenue stream, which is based on something dating all the way back to 2010 (edited after starting his patreon).
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-13875.html
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-5110.html
That Chicken McNugget of a human being has persistence, if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729738
those are both safe to memorise. even if you don't see the first one so often, the readings of the two kanji are standard and will help in the future

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729738
So you want to become intermediate or become fluent? If the answer is the latter, then there's no real rule, you should add pretty much everything you come across. If you only want to become an intermediate learner, then maybe you shouldn't mine and do one of those genki or whatever book and get vocabulary from there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729738
Looks like someone didn't watch the AOTY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728669
Wait, where does this guy get off making his own "translation" of a scene for a language he doesn't even know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729747
Thanks
>>19729748
So trying to prioritize frequently used words as a beginner is pointless? Obviously I do want to eventually be fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729790
That's not my point, I'm saying that if you see unknown words in your reading, and you're reading things of interest to you, then you should mine them. Obviously I could see some exceptions like, I don't know, はい謁 which doesn't even have the first Kanji on my phone IME, but the words you listed seem pretty basic to me. Or rather, not exactly exotic/rare. What I'm saying is that, by the timing you're actively reading, you're not exactly at the utmost beginner stage. As thus, most unknown words are important.
Obviously, if you want to achieve a certificate or something like JLPT, then it might be slightly different.

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>>19729804
actually learning more frequently used words will help you get to a more advanced level of reading more quickly. at his stage he just doesn't know what's important. if you stop to learn every word you don't know then you're just intesively reading which is a waste of time when you can read so many more japanese sentences in the time you would be spending looking up individual words that go in one ear and out the other. by doing that you also learn which words are being repeated and will get you more value at that current time. of course all words are important, especially the ones right in front of you, but if you want to "optimize" your vocabulary acquisition through reading then learning more frequently used words will help you read for longer amounts of time and help you understand the context of those less frequently used words better. but yeah just do whatever you feel is right i guess, it's not a race

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729804
拝謁 is definitely not a pointless word.
In general, unless it's an extremely specific word (like rare medical terms or some exotic bug species or whatever), you might as well learn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729827
Yeah, this is exactly what I was getting at. However, it's as you say and I don't know how exactly to prioritize words other than to judge based on the frequency of use of the equivalent in the other languages I know. Though I suppose this isn't something I need to be too concerned about at this stage and will do as >>19729831 says

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729790
You should only mine words you have already seen at least 2-3 times in different contexts before unless it's something you really want to add for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729827
That's only partly true. If your aim is to learn Japanese cooking, then learning all kinds of vegetable words (that aren't necessarily super useful at first) is definitely a good idea. Hence, you should be mining words of interest to you by reading things of interest to you. But I agree that there's a certain subset of word that is better to learn early on, but usually, these are quite general and you still end up learning them early on regardless.
>>19729831
I agree it's not pointless at all, I just didn't have a better example in mind of a word a beginner might not necessarily think is useful. I personally mine pretty much everything except very specific terms as you said, but I can see someone postponing はい謁.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729683
Because it gets your mind off things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729683
Because it gets your mind off things like drugs do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729860
>>19729874
Was that addition really worth deleting and making another post

[Anonymous No.]

Is japanesepod101 premium plus worth it? Time is more valuable to me than a relatively small sum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729876
t. never done drugs in my life

+ it got me a (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729893
You're into the wrong hobby then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729893
whatever that is no

[Anonymous No.]

Redpill me on duolingo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729893
>Time is more valuable to me than a relatively small sum.
t. pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>have to split up my 2 hours of daily reading into 4 minute blocks because I can't pay attention for more than half an hour at a time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729929
I imagine that being a dumb frogposter doesn't help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729911
It's extremely good for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729914
>>19729893
>I want to spend money on learning Japanese because then I get the feeling that I made some effort without actually making it
>>>reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729914
I'm still wondering if people actually think the "Anki setup" is a headache. How difficult is it to click on "Shared decks" and "Download".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729935
>le bane meme xD
dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729939
That explains everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729929
cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728686
But translating inu as mongrel is okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729914
>I need pretty gui to do my reps
ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729933
Take that back

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729944
scary menus

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729945
>every phrase is meant to be a meme

[Anonymous No.]

Dr Moku any good?

[Anonymous No.]

>Japanese government just shut down Jisho
Why though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729929
>Can't pay attention for more than 30 minutes
>Better do it in 4 minute blocks
Where did the other 26 minutes go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730002
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
how the fuck do I look shit up now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730014
You'll have to do AJATT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730008
Originally said 4x30 minute blocks but deleted it for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730002
Its back up already, they were just doing maintenance

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730002
(You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730014
Abe heard your cry and brought it back up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730026
Typing (you) doesn't mean it doesn't count. Thanks for the (you), nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730030
I was just trying to be a cool kid, don't mind me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728929
>>19728917
I'm stunned to see that the Spanish A is so didtant from the Japanese A. they sound completely identical to me and I've been speaking Spanish from early childhood

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730018
I remember reading that enormous wall of text of explaining what the fuck AJATT and at the end I still didn't know

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks LingQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729129
you don't know japanese
don't try to give advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728669
he didn't say he knows japanese though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729585
how the fuck do I find Japanese friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730045
He wrote 2 books worth the text on that site when all we needed was a few links that he hides in there. It is a little motivational but it's mostly vague bragging though. It's basically common sense you could wrap up with just saying the harder you try the quicker you'll learn it.

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>>19730045
AJATT is just a backwards, elitist form of immersion. Basically you want to spend 13 hours a day only with the target language and going to Japan is useless. Also speaking before you're fluent is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728941
left and right describes the pitch of the upper formant, down and up describes the pitch of the lower formant, top right is lowest pitch for both of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729944
If you're not getting shared decks then it kind of sucks, no lie that my anki power is directly proportional to how little I have to do to actually make the cards. Premade and it's no issue, but making your own can be a pain

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>>19730083
ajatt encourages speaking by copying what you hear japanese people say and reading your anki flashcards out loud. khatz advises against CONVERSING with japanese people before you can understand most of what they are saying since you'll get much more mileage out of speaking that way

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>>19730120
Well there are two different philosophies at hand here. Either you stay with the basic but limited use of shared decks, or you take 10 minutes of your time to learn how to make a new deck and the possibilities are endless. It took me one day to figure out everything I needed for anki including plug-ins and different card formats. What's one day in your Japanese journey?

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>>19730135
You should speak whenever you're comfortable with it, you're going to make mistakes no matter when you start. AJATT is just immersion gone too far; a dangerous extreme. Red flags should have gone off immediately upon saying you should avoid using your native language.

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>>19730137
Are the plug ins worth it? I'm past 1200 kanji and doing fine should I look into plug ins or just keep going?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730145
Well if you're learning "Kanji" then you probably don't need plug-ins. I use Kanji grid, night mode, ankiconnect and a plug-in to add sentences to words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730144
Agreed. Too much of anything is a bad thing. I think you just need to be adapting all the time to what you think your brain is ready for and will be good at. Matt tries to take it in a more fascist direction that Khatz did, khatz was just saying always be doing something japanese and trying to get better. Matt went all militaristic with it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is using hellotalk to practice a good idea? I've been talking to a Japanese guy and we critique each others language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730159
>I think you just need to be adapting all the time to what you think your brain is ready for and will be good at.
I couldn't agree more, once you think you're ready for it you should try it out.

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>>19730144
true, but i think the point of no english is that it pushes you to really learn the language to a higher level since you need to learn the language in that language... i mean you're right, do whatever is comfortable. but i do see some logic to ajatt philosophy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730162
What do you think? Are you asking a question or seeking recognition?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729997
It was free wasn't it? Or maybe I just grabbed the APK.

Either way helped me learn kana good and quick

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730137
>10 minutes
>1 day

The least you could do is tell me what resource you used the learn

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>>19730172
I see the logic behind the AJATT philosophy but I believe the logic is wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAI4AWLaXc
Here's just a short 2 minute video of a guy who's very well known in the language learning field, he very briefly says that you should use your mother tongue as much as you need to. If you want further reading, there's http://www.fremdsprachendidaktik.rwth-aachen.de/Ww/programmatisches/pachl.html

I actually only found this because I'm teaching English in Japan and I wanted to know if this disgusting "NO JAPANESE" rule was actually smart or not. I knew it wasn't, but this let me know why it wasn't. Now I apply it to my Japanese studies.
To be honest nothing much has changed, I'm not just afraid of using English or translating the sentence into English or thinking in English when I have to, because I fully trust that somewhere along the way I'll stop doing that. And certainly that started to happen naturally and now I only fall back into English when the sentence stumps me and I can't work it out in a few re-readings.

tl;dr very interesting links about why you shouldn't be afraid to use your native language, which AJATT seems to disagree with.

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>>19730193
The docs are very clear. YouTube probably has tutorials as well. Ankiconnect with yomichan is extremely intuitive too. Granted, I'm used to reading docs because of the Archwiki so I might have a headstart but I refuse to believe you need more than two days to understand Anki's basic properties. Most people are just scared and lazy, that's all.

[Anonymous No.]

How far in are you? Day 1 for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730206
hmm good info thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730206
Yeah I'm not reading that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730240
I'm not him but it probably took you as long to reply to it as it would have been to read the 6 sentences. Are you retarded or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is a beautiful and very beautiful language so hard to learn and enjoy when you are older than you 6 it has been a genre of experience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728856
20:10
>You have to understand I was never an AJATTer. I've brought Matt over to the idea that premade decks are the quickest way to get into a language. It's just mathematically true. If you want those i+1 sentences don't sentence mine in the beginning. Just grind out the most frequent 2k words in a premade deck. Then you'll find i+1 sentences everywhere.
This yoga guy knows what he's talking about.

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>>19730249
I'm the guy he was replying to, I think he meant the 2nd link which is pretty long.
Anywho it doesn't bother me if he doesn't read it or not, if even one person reads a single part of the link then it was worth posting desu.

>>19730259
At about 6 your ability to acquire language without study drastically drops. It's a sad part of life.
It's not impossible to learn a language even when you're 80 though, stay strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19729722
you fucked up already, it's ハードゲイ>>19730259
are you ESL or did you have a stroke while writing this sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730259
you don't even know english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728517
As an arabic Muslim you should try to read what each surah means and why was it writen. Read muhammad stories too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730206
Based English Teacher

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728856
面白い動画
母語を一番悪い。。何？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730273
How did all of you ESLs learn it so well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730206
Dude I don't really give a shit what some nobody claims is theoretically OK when we have multiple examples of people quickly gaining proficiency in Japanese (understanding 90%+ of the content they read and listen to in 1 year excluding highly technical/specialized fields and perhaps novels) and all going monolingual in the process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730229
>arch

lol thanks for letting me know I should run a marathon before doing a 5k

And thanks for actually providing a source at least, I'll dig in sometime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730340
Where are these multiple examples?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730273
Ah yeah you're right actually. Thanks for correcting me senpai.
>>19730346
I don't use arch, the wiki is useful to more than just arch users you know? Besides this has nothing to do with anki. But yeah, do read some of Anki's docs, really useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730340
Could you name someone who did it monolingually from the start? Even Matt didn't start doing monolingual study until he was well on his way. Avoiding your mother tongue will do more harm than good because you need it to build a foundation. As you gain experience and skills in the foreign language you can slowly lower the amount of time you spend with your mother tongue, as the youtube video explains. Basically...
>Beginner
Use of mother tongue a lot
>Intermediate
Still use of mother tongue often
>Advance
Rare use of mother tongue when necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsFBbWXBJyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCTZQFJcjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJW3bWmJ9Q

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/bwnkf
https://streamable.com/16a8x
https://streamable.com/xv5cb
https://streamable.com/lwi2n
https://streamable.com/yjca3

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730378
>monolingually from the start? Even Matt didn't
No, and in fact I've never heard anyone recommend never using English to help learn Japanese at all. Even Matt recommends using bilingual cards in the beginning until you make the monolingual transition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730378
you are just strawmanning ajatt now. khatzumoto never said do monolingual from the start. he said learn around 500 or so japanese -> english sentences then start learning japanese in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730388
Well then you're not disagreeing as much as you may think you are.
>>19730403
>Strawmanning
That wasn't my intention but ok. At 500 words you're still a beginner and shouldn't feel forced to abandon your first language. Your first language is a tool to be used, not a weapon to be feared.

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>>19730403
>start learning japanese in japanese
How is that even possible without your mother language? I'm pretty sure khatz was trolling sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730273
>>19730283
English speaking is second for me. Very hard after 6 is sad wishing I started sooner before I am doing now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730415
>Your first language is a tool to be used, not a weapon to be feared
this. I learned a lot of words in English first and then Japanese and vice versa as I grew up in Japan till I was 9. It's no extra effort to switch between the two like people imagine.

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>>19730425
the same way people read japanese books without english translations. just do the same with japanese dictionaries. if you can't learn japanese by context and japanese definitions alone you're still in the beginner stage and need to learn more japanese words probably in english or with pictures

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730442
>I was 9
Kids effortlessly acquire languages so it's not really comparable to what an adult should do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730451
Nice bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730451
It's not effortless as a kid? I think if anything it's easier when you get older because you know how to use your brain better, you're experienced, and more goal orientated/patient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730469
There's a difference between learning a language and acquiring it. Acquisition is effortless for kids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728531
>like if for example the case was about an embassy you're going to learn 治外法権 for sure
You sneaky bastard, don't remind me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730481
Maybe you just forgot about the effort and it might be partially subconscious learning but the effort was always there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730490
i'm extremely autistic and can confirm the effort was always there. i have memories of dreaming of phonemes, syntax trees, and morphology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730451
>>19730469
>>19730481
Acquisition is effortless until about 6 years old. It's still really easy until about 12 but they no longer acquire language effortlessly after about 6 (unless they already started and have a good foundation).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730507
Oh, how convenient, acquisition gets hard RIGHT at the time that schooling starts being serious. Hmm, hmm, interesting, yes, very interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730514
Probably because schooling doesn't need to be serious if language acquisition is effortless before then, and teaching anything before a proper level of language has been acquired is useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730526
Ah, you seem to have misunderstood my post. You see, I never said anything at ALL about LANGUAGE school. Ah-hah!

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone remember the classic OP image? We should bring it back

[Anonymous No.]

the meme is true, i really cant learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730532
I understood that. Why would you even attempt to teach a kid history or math if they don't have a foundation on their native language yet? How would that even go down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730507
Your memories are also pretty shit till about 6 so I think the correlation isn't the only causation. I think you can focus and do just as well as a kid if you try and recreate the environment necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730542
The mistake you made was talking about first-language acquisition difficulty in a place that is exclusively about second-language acquisition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730536
I miss everything about classic DJT

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730557
You lost me, champ.
>>19730544
We're not 100% sure yet about why we can't acquire language after a certain point but we're pretty sure the brain physically changes and becomes unable to do so. It probably changes the function of those parts of the brain to something more useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730580
You're talking about first language acquisition. There is nothing that studies second language acquisition that shows it to be impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730567
What did classic DJT argue about if there were less methods back then and no e-celebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730586
Nothing, it was the only civilized general on /a/. It all went downhill after the ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730580
I don't buy it at all. There's people who know 20+ languages. I personally can learn 10x the words in a day I could as a kid. I helped raise a few kids and they were pretty dumb. Kids aren't going around soaking up knowledge like you think.

[Anonymous No.]

What to do after 3-4 month burnout? I no longer enjoy this like I used to, I think I went too hard at first instead of pacing myself better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728669
Oh holy shit I just saw that yesterday
>knows so little about Japanese he thinks the relative clause was her deliberating
>read 住む as すぐ
w e w

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730605
> civilized general
An oxymoron in current year. Sad!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730614
you tried. cut your losses and try another hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730584
You're very wrong, studies on first language acquisition are tied very closely to acquiring another language. We know for a fact that after the critical period is over, learning a language is a lot more difficult.
>>19730586
Kanjidamage vs RTK
Whether or not to study kunyomi and onyomi
Whether or not anyone actually uses the kanji OP is posting
JLPT anki decks vs Core anki decks.
>>19730610
You're right but you're also wrong. Kids acquire language effortlessly but it's slower than what an adult can do by studying it. It takes 2 years for a kid to start speaking their native language, think about that. At about 5 years old I think they have a vocab of about 1500-2000 words.
Adults learn language faster but they have to put in a lot more effort than a child would. A child can literally be plopped down in front of Spongebob episodes and learn the language.
The people who knows 20+ languages did not acquire them all, they learned them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730614
You probably need a break, or something to to be inspired by. I always remember that there is nothing else really out there and that this is all you got. So become a master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730654
You don't know what you're talking about. Study for another two years before you try preaching about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730610
>I helped raise a few kids and they were pretty dumb
Wife's bull was out of the picture?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730614
you need to keep pushing yourself until you hit the runaway part where you learn effortlessly. starts about 6 months in if you're reading and listening every day so just keep it up another 2 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730657
Study what, learning and the brain? I studied it for 6 years in college and 3 years casually, how about you?
Oh, did you mean Japanese? I'm not sure how fluency in Japanese would make one an expert on language acquisition and the brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730669
>Study what, learning and the brain?
Actually nevermind, if you can unironically write this sequence of six words you're a lost cause. Give up and spend the rest of your life posting on forums full of similarly-minded pseudointellectuals.

[Anonymous No.]

I miss the Steve memes of classic DJT. Now it's all just this Matt guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730637
I've been frequenting different generals since the concept appeared and not one has ever been ''''''civilized''''''''''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730654
>It takes 2 years for a kid to start speaking their native language
Have you talked to a two year old? They know about 50 words and talk like retards. I mean the wheels are turning in there and they're learning emotions/body language/tonals/etc but we also have a tendency to anthropomorphize. We imagine them as much more intelligent than they are. Like dogs get about as smart as a 3.5 year old so that says a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730605
I lived on /a/'s DJT and the arguments then were just as bad as they are now. How do I know that? Because I've been here Ever Since Then, arguing all along, fighting off pretentious pricks and charlatans, protecting you all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730701
The Hero We don’t deserve

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730700
I talk to a certain 2 year old pretty much every day, I agree she has like a 50 word active vocabulary in her lexicon but she also understands most of what you say as evident by following simple instructions.
But yes you're right, a 2 year old's vocabulary is super low.

>>19730678
Here you go, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730701
You've been here that long and still don't know Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730614
>Im "burned out" bwaaah
Might as well give up, you can't learn japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730701
Do you know Japanese yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730701
Proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730725

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730678
i liked steve's videos back in 2012 when i first discovered him. can't believe djt liked him back then too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730731
はいそう、何か用ありますか
>>19730739
I could prove it but then I'd get doxxed.

[Anonymous No.]

Forgive me DJT its been two months since i've fully engaged myself with 日本語 but goddamn is キノの旅 so boring i barely made it past the prologue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730739
Take this vintage meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730742

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730337
huge amount of exposure from an early age, and it helps that the grammar is more similar between my mother tongue and English than between my mother tongue and Japanese. it uses the same writing system too. also I would guess that many ESLs who can type English quite fluently on 4chan would have pretty awful pronunciation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730753

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730753
>2014
>vintage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730771
>13* filename
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730751
その程度じゃ証明になってないな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730780
I don't even know the Japanese word for culture.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730795
教養がある

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730795
文化
This is a simple one, you really should have learned it by now.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the healing DJT needs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730656
My worry is that if I take a break, I will lose a lot of my retained knowledge and it will snowball.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730790
そうかな～
まあ、正直に言うとめちゃくちゃ難しいなんだよ、これ
単語や文法はなんかい探しても頭に浮かべないから、とても不自然かな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730810

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730810
Based internet method.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730833
それってつまりはい日本語が分かります～って言い切れるほどの実力はまだ身についていないってことじゃない？
まあ俺も同じなんでこれからもがんばろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730868
「」を使っていいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730887
いらん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730833
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730868
「まだまだ」とはいいたくないかも
それより、「もう続けないと」と判る、いや解る
頑張るはないよ、続けだけ。そう。
>>19730899
二十三歳です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730844
A remnant of the classic DJT arguments

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730901
やばい

[Anonymous No.]

はじめまして。みんあ　げんき？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730832
Its true to be honest. I've been studying 日本語 for many years and you remember some things forever but the things you've barely used will disappear with time. You really need to either go all or nothing. Imagine the gratification once you can watch all your anime without subs and enjoy that art and quality 声優 at the same time. It opens up a world. Employment possibilities (looks great on a resume pretty much anywhere), maybe meet a 可愛い女の子。The gratification will come albeit delayed. Just find something to do that you love that still uses 日本語。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730901
でも実際明らかにまだまだ
その事実を認めないには向上なんて望み薄だろうね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730925
>I've been studying 日本語 for many years and you remember some things forever but the things you've barely used will disappear with time
>studying for years and not already using most of your spare time each day to read JP books or watch JP shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730925
>Employment possibilities (looks great on a resume pretty much anywhere)
Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730925
Anime feels significantly less impressive without subs. Just can’t get used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730925
New words and concepts have gotten progressively harder to retain. 3 years ago I took 2 Japanese courses in university as electives, and I actually remember everything from that. But nowadays I will struggle to retain many things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730925
Languages are like pussy, you shouldn't put them on pedestal like this dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730939
>Anime feels significantly less impressive without subs.
What the fuck?
>>19730944
That's because you don't know jack shit, nerd. The courses taught next to nothing, makes sense it'd be easy to remember.

[Anonymous No.]

i think lazy kanji might be a waste of anki time guys. i think matt might be wrong a second time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730935
まだまだと思うなら、罠に捕まって感じがある

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730939
I'm reading カタハネ, and I'm just loving these voices so much. Translation must be a big downgrade if only because you won't be able to follow the spoken lines.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw forgot katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730957
All lazy kanji does is lay down the primer, basically bring you up to a Chinese level. I did like a 50/50 dirty kanji/complete kanji method that's working so far. I recommend it. I practice writing them all too because it gets you more interaction with the kanji then mememonics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730977
>tfw you get a few mixed up but you're too proud to go back and relearn them properly

one of the many reasons I can't learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

How do i draw runes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731068
Get a brush pen and start filling in these books all day. It's also pretty meditative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730953
based!

[Anonymous No.]

Give me some good anime fags, running dangerously low after watching 5+ shows per week all summer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731253
read a book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731135
you're writing it soo bad that it feels artistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731275
I do that too, there's plenty of time in the day for all forms of entertainment consumption.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731253
>he doesn’t watch 30+ shows a week

[Anonymous No.]

>want to learn kanji faster
>don't want to spend more time in Anki

Japanese is suffering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731310
Easy just use a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731310
You don't want to learn kanji then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731278
笑. It is a brush not a marker, its harder than it looks. That's not as fun though and I want to get good at using a brush eventually because it looks cooler in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731329
trace a 教科書体 font

[Anonymous No.]

How the hell is listening immersion supposed to work? Everybody talks so fucking fast I have no hope of even beginning to parse what's being said. If I'm reading I can at least break the sentence down and work from there.

Like half a dozen times now I've watched something like Terrace House, been totally lost, rewound and turned on JP subs and realized "well, fuck, I would've understood that if I was reading it". Did I fall for a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731347
Listen to stuff that has subtitles made by the people who made the thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGixtHcxk0

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731347
It’s easy once you understand grammar and can catch vocab. Verbs are the most important parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731347
Music helped me. I listen to the same songs a lot and it got me used to listening and the beat of the language. If you hear a word a lot and can't figure out the context then just look it up. I'm at the point I easily understand over half of what they say in general, but now I'm trying to learn all of the tricky phrases and idioms.

[Anonymous No.]

>only 50 hours into anime
>don't want to watch anymore
やっぱり人は大人になったらアニメを嫌いになる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731347
Let me guess. You listen for about an hour or two at most per day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731347
This >>19731395
Sing along karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731347
listen to the same thing 50 times. if that doesn't work listen 500 times. if you still can't understand what's being said or break down the dialogue and correctly identify the sounds to type them into a computer to look them up then you might just be unable to learn japanese. you probably just don't have as much listening practice as you think you do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731397
>アニメを嫌い
You can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731397
yeah anime is shit but it's not as shitty as that sentence you wrote

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727629

the people kawama sensei is teaching are not japanese. the person she is talking to in the video is supposedly chinese.
kawama sensei is obviously japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731430
>>19731435
but I literally just copied that sentence from anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731430
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731454
>>19731458

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731469
>I was only pretending to be retarded!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

i can't wait to actually learn japanese so that when i state something as fact in this thread even if i'm just bullshitting, i can fall back on "experience"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731458
Watashi te Llama Japones. Tak Tak.

[Anonymous No.]

>おおおとこ

why is this allowed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731475
>今日も一日がんばうぞい！
what did he mean by that

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw just noticed ona holes are おんなholes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731516
nope

[Anonymous No.]

if core2k uses too many newspaper words has no one tried to make a core2k deck with those words removed? maybe by contrasting core2k with an updated word frequently list that utilizes subtitles from modern shows or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731518
>tfw you think you had an epiphany

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731519
>frequently
frequency*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731516
ホール

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731524
it's ok those pseudo epiphanies are proof that language acquisition is happening

[Anonymous No.]

今日もあたたかかかかかったです

why is this allowed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731519
There was a link to variousVN transcripts somewhere in the library. It's probably worth it to make a correct core2k out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731532
いったたたたた

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731537
I made a deck out of it but I gave up on doing example sentences like 150 cards in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731363
Aren't JP subs bad because they train reading and not listening?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731555
No, that's bullshit. You're not going to pay attention to the subs constantly enough for that to be a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731519
Subs2srs makes it incredibly easy to make your own core2k deck with full audio and whichever example sentences you think would be best. I'm surprised nobody has attempted to do this yet. Maybe it's the copyright issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731329
how can i be cooler?

[Anonymous No.]

In 1枚絵, does 枚 mean that it is a physical picture rather than a picture that is shown digitally on a screen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731586
Some of those look pretty good, others are pretty bad がんばって！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731537
How does this look?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731537
>>19731704
Okay, here's the deck. No warranty. Only doing this because Core 2k/6k is so fucking bad. It's up to you guys to add example sentences or whatever.

https://my.mixtape.moe/rwlraz.apkg

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731737
I'll give it a try anon-kun

[Anonymous No.]

nukemarine face reveal, thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcM9kCZt9o8

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
you're not a real nuke fan

his early videos showed his face

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
why does everyone become bald trying to learn this language

[Anonymous No.]

can't you at least wait until the next thread before posting your bait again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
Expected him to be 20 years younger for some reason. Then again only tangentially know who he is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731848
only people with sad people with bad genetics become interested enough in Japanese "culture" to attempt to learn it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVYDtgz-lys

[Anonymous No.]

I would really like to hang out with Nuke. He seems super chill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731861
You don't even know English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731873
I'm actually just a phoneposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731872
if you check his reddit he has TDS. though if you're into linguistics you'd probably love that about him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731861
but i dont know any sad people with bad genetics

[Anonymous No.]

i can't find complete japanese subtitles for season 1 of terrace house bgnd

[Anonymous No.]

just watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731889
Stop watching crap like that just because maatto recommended it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731901
it's a nice source of casual speech. i find it more interesting than other shows or twitch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731878
what's TDS?

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that listening to a professional is better than listening to some random person on the internet

[Anonymous No.]

why are the teachers at 日本語の森 so weird

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only one listening to Risa 先生

[Anonymous No.]

What music do you listen to when learn?
no song make word learn head go to song word :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731921
ひとひらの花びらが

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731921
none because music is a really shitty source to learn from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731430
i think i've seen「を嫌いになる」and「を好きになる」in the wild before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731928
It's priceless when you first start. They surprisingly use a lot of common words and phrases. They say a few things you'll never need but I think it helped me a lot when I started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731937
it probably did help. you just wasted your time doing something inefficient is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731928
>music is a really shitty source to learn from

[Anonymous No.]

it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730300
Tried to do that several times during my life, and it's always the bloody Al-Baqarah that stopped me. Such a hefty second chapter with lots fo verses I personally disagree with. This last Ramadhan I decided to read from the last (An-Naas) instead and it's a much smoother experience.

>Muhammad stories
As in hadiths?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731939
Yea why would you want to have fun while learning. Stupid plebs amirite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728856
>>19729342
I watch almost all of these eceleb videos, but this one was very difficult to get through. Yogapants is insufferable.

Nuke is the eternal beginner, but at least some of his ideas are good and he paid someone to record audio for all the Tae Kim sentences, which will probably help a lot of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>only 300 more kanji to go
i can see the finish line

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731959
Yoga is an ass but he was right on pretty much everything. He was careful to reiterate how those who are fluent can't time travel and should only recommend something they didn't do with extreme caution. And Nuke isn't fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731928
I meant when written study so your ear still something, like piano

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731901
Fuck you, Terrace House's good and I learned about it way before "Matt" recommended it.

[Anonymous No.]

How THE FR*CK do I get these gay ass kana into my brain, I'm just looking at random scribbles next to some letters and trying to remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731961
>finish line
There's another race you gonna have to run straight after that, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731968
i play ff7 battle theme in the background every time i do reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731961
頑張ってよ！私はたくさんまだまだあります。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731967
Nuke: Matt said you should do lazy kanji
Yoga: THAT ISN'T WHAT HE SAID, HE IS JUST CONSIDERING IT
Later
Nuke: Matt doesn't like premade decks
Yoga: NO HE JUST SAID THEY ARE FINE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731971
yea fuck him, terrace house is dope and helped me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731977
I played the H-audio I have available to remind me why I learned Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Hol up, I haven't been here in a while, I thought djt was dying. What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731984
He's an autistic dick but he's right. Matt has changed his mind. And he was right to tell off Nuke for prescribing paths to fluency even though he's not fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to read on android with some sort of inapp dictionary?. something like TangoRisto but for book formats

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731987
Han-san is so cool but so pointless, why does he need to be there when he's so perfect already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731990
people don't wanna accept it, but m**t posting and r*k posting saved djt

[Anonymous No.]

あえいおう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731997
Yea I thought that was a dumb pick by the producers but he ends up being pretty cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731737
Bumping this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731990
>I thought djt was dying
It's now /det/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731993
I don't think he has claimed it is a path to fluent. It is just beginner material.

The problem with Matt/Yoga is that they don't understand why anyone would learn 500 kanji. Any time Nuke tries to explain it, they are too retarded to understand it. Even now that Matt has realized telling beginners to do 2200 kanji in RTK was a bad idea, he still recommends doing 2200 lazy kanji.

Nuke's idea of a doing 500 kanji, then grammar, then vocab, then 500 more kanji, the more grammar, etc is a better a path. That might be slightly wrong because I don't know his exact progression, but it is a much better path for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732024
It's almost like training a single skill in isolation away from the other skills that give it context doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

Now, what's the difference between 分かる、解る and 判る ? Does anyone here know Japanese enough to understand the nuances of meaning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732033
No but I know enough Japanese to wakaru the chiebukuro answers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732024
>The problem with Matt/Yoga is that they don't understand why anyone would learn 500 kanji
Where did Yoga say that? In fact Yoga repeatedly stated that whether or not you learn kanji and how many kanji you learn is dependent on your goals.

>Even now that Matt has realized telling beginners to do 2200 kanji in RTK was a bad idea, he still recommends doing 2200 lazy kanji.
Yoga says Matt is still mulling it over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732033
I tell you if you teach me English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732033
read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731848
100 Kanji
100 Vocab
100 Sentences
And 10 hours of listening practice
Every single day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732042
I'd love to but I don't know English. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732039
chigai-allguide.com is also a very good resource.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732024
he calls his program suggested guide for japanese literacy which at first glace kind of gives off the idea that if you follow this guide youll be literate, aka fluent at reading. this is obviously not true. he should call it my shitty little beginner project i do because i cant actually learn japanese. maybe its the guy who has been studying japanese for 8 years but still cant say really BASIC phrases without fucking up horribly who is retarded. beginners should do whatever they want because the beginner stage is the hardest part to break through since it's basically just a wall

[Anonymous No.]

like i think rtk is the biggest garbage under the sun and i will still tell people to learn how to write the most simple basic kanji like 人, 日, 火, 氷, 水, 永, etc. if they have any difficulties with kanji, because it only takes like 15 minutes to go down a list and analyze their stroke orders and go "ah HAH, so THIS is how stroke order works!" or "Okay, now my brain can tell these similar-looking strokes apart!"

>>19732033
分かる is generic
解る is about comprehension
判る is about recognition

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732048
i also have this bookmarked but havent actually tried it yet
http://www.kanjipedia.jp/sakuin/doukunigi/あ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732051
Cool, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>my piss-in-bottles guru is better at japanese than YOUR piss-in-bottles guru
the absolute state of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732061
is that an ENGLISH manga wall
where on earth is this image from

[Anonymous No.]

What are some good video games to watch 実況 of? I don't know shit about video games. I enjoyed watching Breath of the Wild and Detroit Become Human.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732064
Just search ボイロ実況 and watch whatever fancies your interests. It's not about the particular game, it's about having as much voiceover as possible, and you being interested in actually listening to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732070
(ゆっくり実況 are also acceptable but the voicebots that they use are way, WAY worse and make pitch accent mistakes.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731921
City pop playlist on spotify. It's god tier

https://open.spotify.com/user/tjnickerson/playlist/3j2osvmecEao5nmo9jZ5df?si=wCLI1FM4Rq-sP3JKIZTThQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732062
reverse search gave me this, ironic weebs were a mistake https://www.instagram.com/lywi.gr/?hl=en

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732057
So many darkness, Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728004
>>19728068
Which one of you did this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732123
Not me I'm european.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731990
welcome to the afterlife

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732061
>puts manga on the wall
>in English

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732132
looks like brazilian to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732132
It's portuguese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732064
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBufY_aAHbxymJDs1Twv7xg
this channel releases new games daily and they voice the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I love that recently /djt/ pointed me to so many good Japanese websites.

Makes sludging through it worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732155
I like the one guy who comments on literally every video.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL3scqSUTaE
Post nihongo music you're enjoying currently.

Blew through a bunch of Tatsuro Yamashitas stuff and now am loving almost everything by S.kiyotaka & omega tribe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732171
i saw that too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEwgxvPU2M
>anon used good
>anon used good
>nihongo used bad
>anon now has to relearn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732164
yea and they motivate you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732135
You should be ashamed of knowing who she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732219
You should be ashamed that you are both too reverse image search or to see the link to her instagram already posted in the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732231
何？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732235
Meant to say you are both too dumb to

oh well, I'll take the L

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732173
Ayano Kaneko, Asako Toki, Harunemuri, and KyaryPamyuPamyu right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732173
I know it doesn't count but goddamn they never get old

[Anonymous No.]

So like, the main difference between wa and ga is that wa is basically required and ga seems to be mostly optional?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732287
Don't think, feel. If you can't feel it, you're not ready yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>と思います

[Anonymous No.]

Time goes extremely fast for me right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
>written japanese is not japanese
>im not teaching japanese im teaching how to learn japanese
so this is what happens when you lack self awareness

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727163
some people can do amazing stuff without immersion, but actually living in another country is almost guaranteed to boost you to the "practical" level in which you get you used to speaking conversationally and used to other people speaking to you, although there's although a hard cap that you can't go past unless you study books, it's great for getting to that point, nothing else beats it.

[Anonymous No.]

finished reps. now its time to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19730337
We just have a bias seeing all the ones that succeded here, if you go to any other language board, it's filled to the brim with ESL's crying that they can't learn english, seeing the regular threads on hispanachan is quite hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732331
がんばれ

[Anonymous No.]

Longing of many years I've studying. Japanese feel like much having time that is easier compared to English.

[Anonymous No.]

remember to graduate to dramas after you get used to anime otherwise youll be convincing yourself you understand japanese when you really just understand anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732331
>not doing reps first thing in the morning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732333
lmao how is english hard just watch fucking tv and use the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732331
damn I got to stop posting I'm only half way

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't there a supplement to the DJT Library with assorted novels? I searched the archive but couldn't find the link.

[Anonymous No.]

anki's fucking easy lol

[Anonymous No.]

Will Classroom of the elite raw light novel ever be uploaded? It's my reason for learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732404
HOW?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732405
It already was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732417
reset deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732417
only one card

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732394
Forget it, I'm an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732405
Then buy a real copy of the book and support the author you tool

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732462
If I ever stop being a poor student, sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732472
Just don't eat for a day

[Anonymous No.]

>do anki for 45 min forgetting half my cards somehow
>fap and comeback
>get the next 100 cards all correct
I think I just figured something out

[Anonymous No.]

cummiesって何なの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732472
>>19732405
is it not on the DJT library?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm reading Konosuba and I usually don't have any trouble except when it comes to bullshit like the second sentence here:

>「お前みたいなヘタレで童どう貞ていの引き籠こもりなぞ好きになるわけがあるかっ！　言うに事欠いてバカな事を！　貴様、とっちめてやるっ！」

How do I even parse that?

[Anonymous No.]

redpill me on worldwide language UTF-8 support and whether VNs will still run with it enabled

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732527

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732549
Just google what you don't understand, it usually works.

言うに事欠いて = Of all the things to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732554
ああ、よく分かったよ。アイスなら、cummiesが大好きなの！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732417

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732492
I fap first thing in the morning before the reps, and I struggled to do well. I keep losing about 4 mature cards per day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732569
I didn't even think that could have been a set phrase. I shouldn't trust my own judgement anymore, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a resource anywhere for getting pleasantries, like "nice to see you again" or "it's been a while" or "sorry, maybe next time"? Whenever I google for it I just find the more general こんにちは、おやすみ、etc. and not the more detailed pleasantrie which I mentioned above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732604
Just regular old sentence mining. The point of mining isn't to find valuable things immediately. You have to search.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732620
what is mining, just reading stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732624
Pretty much
Check out Ajatt if you want, no pressure though. Because outside of that I don't really know any language learning methods or concepts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732604
しばらくですね
久しぶり
those are a couple for you, you'll hear them all the time now that you know them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732604
how are those more detailed, they're just ひさしぶり and ごめん

go watch more subbed anime

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにちゃん

むねはおおきいほうがいいですか

[Anonymous No.]

そうです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732664
いや貧乳にしか興味ない

[Anonymous No.]

そうかな

[Anonymous No.]

Got my first 2 mature cards!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732673
おにいちゃん

なんでもしていいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732306
>written japanese is not japanese
Is this the next level of "manga isn't reading"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732690
日本語は日本語ではない。まず、中国語が勉強しなきゃ。その後、日本語を勉強を始められる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732729
中国語さんは何を勉強すればいい？

[Anonymous No.]

stop posting shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732729
中国語は中国語ではない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732679
後列右から1番は俺だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732741
Can't quite read the two kanji in red. 掃除?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732741
you first

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732755
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732767
fuck yeah, I can read kanji in different colours.

Fluency, here I come

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732755
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732774
fuck yeah, I still have lots more to learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732772
>can read ugly kanj
you can learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732763

[Anonymous No.]

So I just imported Dragon Quest XI 3DS. I'm probably...N4.5ish level. Will I be completely lost?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732789
fuck yeah

A very affirming Australian morning today in /djt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731499
Like, today is your forst day, do your best! I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732812
not sure, but dragon quest v was sort of easy at n4/early n3 level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732812
I don't think video games are particularly fun or effective learning tools at that level because looking up words is kinda slow

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732821
And tomorrow will be your secind, the next your therd, after that your farth, fyfth, soxth, suvunth and so on!

Then your forst week finishes!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732834
not if you learn kanji with vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

So say I pass the N1 test. What can I do with that? Like what benefits does it give?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732834
RPGs also waate a lot of time when you have to level up instead of reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732849
Proof that you don't know know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732837
you still have to type out anything you want to look up

it's much better to read copyable text or things you can use yomichan on in the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732852
Well I don't know. I'm just asking what benefits it gives you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732857
That is the benefit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732849
the fact that you can't think of any use for it is kind of telling that you shouldn't be paying any attention to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732861
So it's pretty much just bragging rights or a benchmark for yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732871
no i think some people put it on their resume when applying for japanese language related jobs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732871
It's a document that shows to people who needed to know that your ability in Japanese is good enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732849
It's only good for bragging, job resumes and getting a job and passport for working in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732849
It's required to get across the first village bridge and retrieve the pokedex. Then you get your first pokemon and can pick between charizard and pikachu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732884
>job resumes and getting a job and passport for working in [foreign country]
I mean, what else can documents that show you're capable of understanding a foreign language do?

[Anonymous No.]

Newbie here. Having trouble memorizing Kana. Any tips? What did you do? Cause it's weird for me. I know the sounds when I see some of the characters but I can't recall to write them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732849
I was told it makes it trivial to get a Japanese citizenship. Like you can instantly get one with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732915
https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html

Grind here, and make note of particular kana you're having difficulty with (シッソン are common ones). Then just...go to town with those. Read them often. Re-test yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732858
maybe at first, but once your n4 level like he was talking about, I think just finding easier reading material is better. that way your not looking up 20 words a sentence and don't just skim over them and forget all of them immediately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732923
>Shiiiieeet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732938
>Read them often. Re-test yourself
This. What I did was take a hot steamy shower and write it in the steam. Write it on any surface even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732915
>I know the sounds when I see some of the characters but I can't recall to write them
That's all you need for now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732915
do this

[Anonymous No.]

im only studying 30 mins per day cuz i been feeling pretty lazy, low motivation :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732915
https://kana.pro/
How I learned. You just grind them out. Gradually added more and more kana until I was through them all. Took like a week

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732965
Is the order specific or something?

[Anonymous No.]

ah, I can feel it, I'm back to those days where instead of studying I'm looking up videos on how to stay motivated

I'll see you guys in a month with the exact same level of dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732993
Make it an hour. Come 2023 you will be N2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732993
I've been upping my words a day, doing 50 new words a day today and notice my retention plummet. The sweet spot is 35-40 I think. If you have like 8 hours a day to study. At 30 minutes a day it will take you about 15 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733001
Do you find any particular pattern in that? I see no rhyme or reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732993
>>19733006
Motivation is unironically a meme that only idiots fall for.
>>19733015
If it takes you 8 fucking hours to learn 35-50 words I don't know what to tell you. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733028
I meant Kanji but yes it takes 8 hours. I write them out, I review old Kanji and I memorize multiple meaning and put them in words too. 8 hours is on a good day.

[Anonymous No.]

Dekinais don't respond to this please
日本語文法辞典ってどう思う?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733034
????????????????????????

Spend 7 out of those 8 hours on actual Japanese instead you colossal retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733034
start japanese instead of a weird english script

[Anonymous No.]

So uh I slacked and need to memorize hiragana in less than a day for my college class. Can I realistically do it in 5 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

how do I find Japanese buddy to talk with?? I want to help a Japanese learn English while he helps me learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733081
Yes if all you need to do is to be able to recite it for the class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733081
No and I'm glad your slacker ass will fail. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733049
I spend the rest of my day studying japanese you brainlet. You can immerse yourself the sooner you do the kanji. I've lived in Japan and even studied japanese for years in college, I'm just getting around to doing kanji. Not everybody is at your dumb ass level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733088
Nah she will give us a paper and we need to write the hiragana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733081
it's only 50 symbols, you could do it in 2 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733095
Sure thing buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733081
yes but you'll forget most of it by the next day
get studying you goddamn retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733081
i memorized all of hiragana in more or less that amount of time so its possible, but i doubt you will be able to do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733099
that's exactly what "recite it for the class" means

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733095
>I've lived in Japan and even studied japanese for years in college, I'm just getting around to doing kanji.
lmao at your life timewaster

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733103
I can give you my old address if you like

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733110
You're either a troll or a pathetically insecure little faggot but one thing is for sure, you are a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733109
>>19733103
>replying to people who say they have "studied japanese for years in college"

the absolute state

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733107
I've pulled through before.
>>19733090
Oh please like you never slacked

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732812
Probably, in my game experience, phrases/jargon, grammar, and finally vocab is the hard part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733081
Here's a video telling you how to do it in 1 hour! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p9Il_j0zjc

Grab some piece of paper and write it down while watching. Once the video finishes, just repeat what you've written. Should be doable for a short-term memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19732835
This is djt, not old english thread, go to /lit/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733116
lol the feeling is mutual

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733148
please look up the definition of what old english is before you try to reference it, brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

geez /djt/ is so cranky today

[Anonymous No.]

>8ヶ月前の頃から毎日日本語勉強してきた
>n2の問題集をインタネットで見つかり、練習のためにやった
>満点
どういう意味かなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733213
Who wouldn't be cranky to a slacker college student freaking out over a quiz he probably had all week to study for? Slacking the day before is one thing but the day fucking of?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733217
ゆ　WANT　ぢｃｋ　suucked?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5nBhMZXrtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvS0Sr-2RH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnYvcppV8PI
Post good anime OPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733232
くう

だ

さあ

いいい

[Anonymous No.]

What's up with non-kansai men using わ? Lots of people i know use it very often but every source says it's only used by either females or by people from western japan/kansai, the people i know who use it regularly are neither female nor from that region

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733230
me because you can slack all you fucking want in "college" and still get full points lol
don't be cranky be sad that money is being spent for him to go to university

>>19733238
aren't you supposed to do this in /a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733238
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvS0Sr-2RH0
My local shopping mall had a game centre with a DDR machine that had this song and I've played it so often I can get a C.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733252
>aren't you supposed to do this in /a/
For one, it's anime related which is specifically in the thread description. Also, it's not like there is any productive discussion going on right now. Not that there ever really is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733244
>Fuu De Seah iii
What are you trying to say?

[Anonymous No.]

The ddr machine's in Japanese, so it's immersion practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733264
Slacker college-kun stop going here and study your hiraganas already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733258
>game centre
>he goes to the ゲーセン
It's literally called gay why are you still going there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733272
umm maybe because i like to suck dicks?

also because ddr's fucking fun, dammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733246
it's fun to say so it's part of tokyo-ben now too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733006
when i lose motivation i just rewatch ajatt progress videos and matt's interviews with ajatters. they're basically the few people who attempt to document their learning process over the months/years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733246
What do Kansai men use?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733264
これを読んでみてなさい: わ た し は ば か で す

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733296
kansai ben

ワイは関西の男や
やかましいわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733289
Do you think foreigners can get away with saying it too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD5wqsL9-bI

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hsgY3JXNXU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733328
foreigners can get away with saying pretty much anything, since japanese people don't expect you to know their language the same way english speakers do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733272
ねえねえ アンオン さん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733294
When you lose motivation, just listen to or read things you can understand. In Japanese, of course.

Every minute you spend not doing Japanese is a minute you have to make up later on. Might as well enjoy the ride now instead of watching from the sidelines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733357
何々?

[Anonymous No.]

>want to read raw manga
>shonen jump scans are low res and dirty as fuck
>scanlations look 10 times better

I'm sad. Where can I get better raws?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733397
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>みんな犬ばかりだ
Why does this sound a little odd?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733408
変な文章からねー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733408
doesn't sound that odd

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733384
えへ 詠んで みただけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733425
this however does sound odd because you forgot how to use から
the correct way to say this is 変な文章だからね
youre welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733408

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733442
>>19733403
djt is full of a special brand of autist

[Anonymous No.]

If you're a 必死 ("he-she") then you should be very frantic because you have an inevitable death by suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733505
"manga isn't reading" is the hottest new meme, and my grammar advice is top notch

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733517
mmmmnnnemonnnics-san pls go

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733520
As a professional grammar knower, what do you think of those 日本語文法辞典 books?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733537
pretty good i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733546
thank you mr grammar man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
holy shit i just got to the part where theyre talking in """"""""""""""japanese"""""""""""""" this guy is even worse than まあtt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733557
kind of want to watch it but at the same time I don't want to permanently cripple my japanese and social skills and hair

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733557
what time in the video does that start

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731913
they're korean

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733576
>>19733586
https://youtu.be/xcM9kCZt9o8?t=1h13m6s
about 1:13:06

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733589
this is ちょっとなんか hazukashii

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733589
Who are these people? I keep hearing these names thrown around
>Matt
>Georgie
>Nukemarine
>Yogapants
>Peter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733479
google is no good for these things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733604
search for ajatt on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733621
Don't do this it makes mustard gas.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know how this is fucking happening but whenever I see 運 I read 転. Is this what it's like to be dyslexic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733629
that's cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733629
I used to mix it up with 連 but reading fixed it

[Anonymous No.]

So is Matt the best looking out of all those other Japanese speaking channels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733643
>Japanese speaking
they're all mostly english speaking channels that pride themselves on teaching people the correct method to learn japanese
what's sad is no one involved is really that good at japanese

i personally think steve is the foxiest

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733557
what are some learners that are good at speaking japanese? i feel like people attack anyone listed here in isolation. what standard are these guys being held to?

[Anonymous No.]

Anons in nipland, do girls find it cute when a foreigner tries to speak their language? Kinda like how English speaking girls get wet over French accents.
Or are they just going to laugh behind my back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733678
The learners that are good don't hang out here.

[Anonymous No.]

When reading is it necessary to know the readings of kanji or is just the meaning ok?
like, i don't need to know how pic related is pronounced to interpret it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733678
the actual ajatt guy is pretty good

this is him 10 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19731835
Yikes. Nuke sounded like he was just reading out flash cards he memorized. At least Yoga sounded somewhat natural and kept a natural flow, but Nuke.. and that western accent bleh.. 笑恥ずかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733693
in terms of ability to communicate what he'd like in the language or in terms of sounding closer than others to a native?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733670
>ywn be a Canadian polylingual lumber merchant

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733700
i don't think those can be judged separately, so i would say both

[Anonymous No.]

You know, if you focused more on yourself than on others you wouldn't need "role models".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733706
i'd consider an academic with a bad english accent and grammar mistakes to be fluent and a good speaker if what he said was completely intelligible and he could talk about pretty much any subject he wanted. but i think people are trying to hold randoms on youtube to a higher standard than that and it comes off as petty and disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.]

Here is Donald Keene who has been learning Japanese for 70 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoHRQ4xXRxs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733714
oh and hypocritical, since i'm sure everyone's output here sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.]

the take away is that the only people who dont suck ass are the ones who like anime all the way through since as we all unironically know anime is unironically the best reason to learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a better idea to start reading manga or start reading 5chan/futaba

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733715
I wonder who Keene's favorite ero loli mangaka is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733718
I have a decent japanese accent since I grew up there but my vocabulary is like a retard.. that's why I'm studying so hard right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733721
the former since i asked djt this a couple months ago and that's what they told me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733715
Pretty good but damn even he sounds off..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733714
i think that higher standard is the standard which those people hold for themselves, so it's not really anyone's business to call it disingenuous or petty since it basically lives in a vacuum

once you start holding other people to that standard it totally gets petty, but there's an aspect of these youtube randos where they feed off these standards and try to show off as a messiah who will lead you to perfect fluency, and a lot of criticism on here is targeting that specifically

>>19733718
the idea is you hold yourself to these absurdly high standards and eventually that gets you to where you actually meet them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733734
>tfw some spic kid sounds better than an american who's been studying for decades

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733756
Internets changed everything. Japan has a new era of 外人 coming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733711
Thanks jamal.

[Anonymous No.]

is jamal gone
is it safe to return

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLYaxV-g3J4
This old guy sounds pretty flawless

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733756
Keene is a special case. He has had books and poetry in Japanese in publication since the 60s and has won a bunch of Japanese culture and literature related awards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733784
He'll be back in 2 days tops, just like the last time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733787
he sounds like a girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733798
He learned japanese from his wife lol

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone from /djt/ successfully become an English teacher in Japan or are we all too dangerous to be around children?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733805
Children need love too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733805
Oh shit. How thorough are the background checks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733805
You don't need to know very much japanese to be an english teacher over there, apparently. Someone I follow on twitter was writing about her experience doing that, and she had only been studying for like half a year if that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733805

[Anonymous No.]

So I've memorized the normal Hiragana, Dakuten, and Handakuten, but I have a concern. を and お are pronounced the same way, ぢ and じ are pronounced the same way, and ず and づ are pronounced the same way. Why is this the case? Is there something I am missing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733830
Yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733821
Wat do you actually do as a Japanese english teacher who knows no Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733846
You probably speak in English and hope the class follows

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733715
70 years later he still does the English "owe" sound instead of the Japanese "お" sound

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733821
If you know japanese you get paid like twice as much. I was reading blogs of people who couldn't nihongo and most of them didn't have a good time and barely made enough money to live on, meanwhile the fluent people tell stories of living like royalty over there. I def wouldn't go unless I was fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733887
I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Did the ones who know japanese get a baito or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733795
Ok i'm out then. check again in a couple months, see if hes banned

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733721
Manga isn't even reading in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733923
Don't be such a pussy dude, you're just stroking his dick like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733721
you won't understand half of what's happening on 5ch, it would be like trying to parse djt "humor" as a baby esl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733927
>>19733931
looks like they're both still here after all. Ok bye

[Anonymous No.]

researching how to teach spanish in japan!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733927
Does this make you laugh every single time you post it, or is it just sheer autism at this point?

[Anonymous No.]

にほんにいきたいのか

にほんでいきたいのか

どっちなの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733960
he's '''helping''

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733922
They get real jobs and real money with all expenses paid instead of scammed like most of the non fluent people get. I'm not going to go looking it up but there's a video of a girl that made so much money in 2 years she was able to live off of the money for the next 3 years without work. There's a few cases of people getting pretty successful on vlogs. Most don't and they're usually the shitter linguals.

[Anonymous No.]

Recommend me reading material

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733846
>>19733853
They are commonly referred to as Dancing Monkeys. You are literally just there to be entertaining and allow the Japanese kids to hear a native English speaker in real life for the first time. When you go in for your interview, they're going to ask if you can play guitar or sing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733972
I don't know, it sounds like it boils down to personality and guts. You can be a fucking a fucking nihongo god and still get swindled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733979
True I don't know if that was the for sure reason, but I'm hoping its a fluency issue and maybe a try hard thing, because I'm trying to do it too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733974
素晴らしき日々

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733974
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/random.html
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/random2.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733408
Because I pulled it out of my ass while extremely tired.

It's legit Japanese though. Just funky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733830
Look up the "yotsugana" 四つ仮名 for the ぢじずづ (Wikipedia actually has a decent enough article for this, basically it more or less comes down to regional accents), を and お have a slight variance in pronunciation that, ultimately, many others would be better at explaining than me because I'd just confuse you even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734015
>>19733479
Hmmm.

[Anonymous No.]

Another great thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Good thread so far guys.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a good non-H site for uploading translated doujins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733995
>>19733999
Too hard for beginners

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734045
nope

[Anonymous No.]

is there a version of djt where people don't post about matt? because i want all the negative nancies to go there and leave us alone. we LOVE matt here.

[Anonymous No.]

hmm

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733643
That'd be Dogen-san.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734060
Hmmmmmm...

[Anonymous No.]

しょうみきげんぎれの

かんてんのこなでてきた

どうしようかな

たべられなくもないとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733702
He sells wood?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734149
He was, basically, in short, a negotiator for selling Canadian lumber to foreign countries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733805
More like how dangerous are the students there compared to the west? A knife confrontation sounds kowe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734139
賞味期限なんか気にするって
アホかよ
食べても問題ないに決まってる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734139
だいじょうぶだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734152
That explains being a polyglot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734158
>>19734162
あんたらたくましいな

ちゅうちょしなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734170
ひらけばわかる
かびのないこなは、もんだいなくたべられる

あ、それ、「かびのないこな」
どうすればしぜんにいう？

[Anonymous No.]

お金があれば何だって手に入る

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734060
fix your grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734165
He learned Spanish in order to negotiate with the Americans, Mandarin to trade with the Chinese and Japanese to be closer to his waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734227
Really makes ya think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734227
bit rude

[Anonymous No.]

any djt-ers speak other languages that aren't english or japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone upload azw3's of Index New Testament?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734251
if their L1s aren't english then it's not impressive so you should have specified that. anyone who isn't retarded can learn english due to english content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734251
Obviously. It’s probably unfair to judge when Japanese is the third if not fourth language if HS Spanish counts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734251
I took a shitload of classes in German when I was in both high school and college. I remember hardly any of it, though. I was good at it, but I never read any native content, I just watched some movies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734292
What good does reading do if they use the Latin alphabet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734258
Why do faggots request things in English? Post the full Japanese name and a link to a source to specify exactly what you are referring to.
The more effort you put in, the more likely someone else is willing to give a shit and go out of their way to help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734300
Dude, everyone knows what he's referring to.

>>19734258
If it's not already uploaded, the answer is almost certainly "no". If you can't read the scans, study more.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know where I could check Japan employment/jobs statistics?
Like, how many English teachers there are, how many Chemical Engineers and so on
it'd be better if it was specifically for education

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734300
lol piss off noob

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734312
Ask >>>/trv/ or >>>/int/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734300
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19733805
>>19733821
>>19733846
>>19733887
>>19733922
>>19733814
>congratulations anon, welcome to the JET program! Your Japanese is very impressive for a gaijin, how did you get so good?
>Oh, AJATT? What's that?
>Posting in... what's /djt/?
>10000 hours of Anime? Interesting...
>Sorry anon, while you're an otherwise outstanding candidate, we have decided to move on with other applicants whose qualifications and backgrounds more closely match what we're looking for

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734317
Why those boards in particular?
Does DJT not know Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734358
Nope. Get out of /jp/ and never come back or else your Japanese ability will be permanently crippled. I wish someone had told me, but it's too late for me now.

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>>19734348
>congratulations anon, welcome to the JET program! Your Japanese is very impressive for a gaijin, how did you get so good?
I read several hundred megabytes of badly-written professionally-voice-acted porn.

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>>19734348
>other applicants whose qualifications and backgrounds more closely match what we're looking for
>implying anyone else is any different

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>>19728004
there's no english anywhere but in the OP
they're literally us, they just have to last long enough to make a useless guide

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screw you guys I'm going to JLT

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>>19733604
Matt: Autistic kid who went to Japan and ate his lunch in the bathroom stall. Creator of the Mass Immersion Approach(MIA) which involved learning Japanese through meditation.
George: Author of Japanese from Zero, a book that takes 2-3 volumes to fully teach the kana. He has never read a Japanese novel.
Nuke: The eternal beginner.
Yoga: The new guy. Insufferable to listen to or watch. Hasn't used Japanese in 6 years but claims he was fluent. Not sure why he is relevant.
Peter: Never heard of him.
Steve: Our Lords and Saviours. (Kaufmann and Krashen)

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>>19734447
Meditation Invokes Acquisition

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>>19734447
あたしは？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734471
全然分からない

[Anonymous No.]

妹のおしっこで泳ぎたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734471
きみはかわいいと思う

[Anonymous No.]

Just started Japanese today. I just finished my first 3 hour meditation session and woke up understanding the difference between は and が. What did you learn today?

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>>19734367
hi moogy

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>>19734447
>filename is unironically correct
A better analogy is that learning vocabulary without kanji is like trying to play music without understanding chords or scales.
If you are learning vocabulary in isolation good luck wasting your time memorizing a bunch of gibberish onyomi combinations over and over when you could be quickly gleaning both meaning and pronounciation from its components, then having to go over everything again as you learn the kanji.
When your goal is to eventually have both it's definitely better in the long run to try to have your kanji level significantly ahead of your vocabulary (which means a lot of front-loaded learning for beginners) and arguments to the contrary seem to be based on short term convenience.

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>>19734634
>arguments to the contrary seem to be based on short term convenience
ah yes, the "short term convenience" of not getting burnt out by spending months of grinding kanji and giving up before ever even opening a children's picture book

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>>19734634
>Getting hot under the collar about analogies in meme images

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Can you really figure out the meaning of kanji with radicals?
I've just begun studying a few weeks ago but isn't 好 made out of "woman" and "child" or something like that

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>>19734660
Woman are very fond of their children.
>Kanji are words, radicals are letters
-Kanjidamage, the most loved kanji specialist in DJT

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>>19734665
i'd interpret it as japs being pedos

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone recommend some eroge that makes you wanr binge read it. Im realizing compelling input is the only way forward now that I'm past the practing basic grammar phase.

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>>19734665
>Woman are very fond of their children.
No no no no, that's not how you interpret it.
"Female children are pleasing" is the correct way.

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>>19734660
you can a little with some of them, but the radicals mostly just help you make up stories to remember kanji. but that won't help you when you're reading.

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>>19733830
Wo only appears as the object particle. Those subsitions are to make speaking easier.

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>>19734645
My soul was ripped out 1900 Kanji into rtk and I would have quit there if it wasn't for my burning desire to read monobeno and other kamiges. Got 150 left before I begin reading(crashing into)　日本語. I feel like one of the few lucky soldiers that lived through a carpet bomb.

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reading is really really hard

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>>19734673
why are you learning japanese if you have nothing you want to use it for

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>>19734645
Yes, that's short term convenience indeed. If you want to learn travel japanese in one month, it's not a bad idea. Any more than that and you should be relying on discipline rather than a whim of motivation and looking for what's objectively more efficient overall. Unless you are for some reason looking to read children's picture books specifically you are only hurting your end goal by taking the rockier path.
>>19734660
You can't figure out the meaning based on radicals, they're just there to help you parse chicken scratch into something intelligible. Most of the time they are tangentially related, often they make absolutely no sense.
>>19734708
I agree that going that far is excessive. You only really need the more common kanji, there's way too much stuff there that you'll only ever see in a word or two anyway and once you are already sufficiently used to kanji the structured learning has diminishing returns.

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>>19734660
Most kanji are just a very general meaning radical plus a radical that tells you how to pronounce it.

Like 銅 has nothing to do with the meaning of 同, it's just there because the reading is どう. So the only information you get from 銅 by itself is that it has something to do with metal, because of 金, and that its reading is どう, because that's how you read 同. You can't tell that it refers to copper until you look it up.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTfX3w84H1Q#t=1m59s

[Anonymous No.]

きょうはたいふうの

あとかたづけで

にほんうじゅうが

はたらいてる
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=408ElsoQs_8