DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1898

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

Previous Thread >>18581845

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The threads have long since been daily and are primarily on /jp/. Can we start labelling them as OJT - Otaku Japanese Thread? It would be more accurate and quell any false impressions of being a generic language learning thread welcome to normalfags all and sundry.

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>>18600692
That's funny because this thread is already full of such people.
How else would you explain all the talk about living in Japan, JLPT and people being called "pathetic weebs" for talking about Otaku Media. Lately there has also been an increase in disdain for people not practicing their production ability together with the AJATT cult flood.
It's kind of laughable.
I do agree with you though, those people don't belong on this board nor on this thread.

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>>18600682
>So that's how it's gonna be, ¿Huh?
>We come from one problem and we enter another.

Or does he mean the black haired guy is always giving him trouble?

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>>18600692

It's an anonymous website known to literally everyone for years now, how can anyone still believe in this "secret club" mentality or that changing the fucking thread title of all things would somehow change things?

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洒酒

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>>18600725
I don't fucking know.

Do you have to try and translate everything literally or is that just the curse of being an EOP?

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>>18600743
I feel like knowing what the subject matter of a sentence is pretty crucial to understanding a language, so I get kind of uncomfortable whenever I don't get it.

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post your favorite manga

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What does kara mean in this sentence? Can you translate this?
僕もずっとそうおもうっていた...
アリサはアンに妙に肩入れしてるから単純に彼女を助けたいのかなって

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>>18600804
Which one?

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>>18600832
Oh sorry nevermind.

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How come it feels like my listening isn't getting better even though I'm listening to raw anime for a while now. It seems like whenever I first watch something I can't understand it at all, but when I listen to it the second time it gets better. However this doesn't help when I watch a new episode really. Am I doing something wrong?

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>>18600723
>the AJATT cult flood
that's a /jp/ meme

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>>18600692
Good idea, I'll do it if I remake the thread.

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>>18600723
>That's funny because this thread is already full of such people.
Easy on the hyperbole, its a few kids from some pissant discord

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>>18600729
Little steps can add up to large strides.

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>>18600692
>>18600965
People will fail to find the thread initially when searching for djt, and we are likely to get duplicate threads and a bunch of bitching the same way OP linking a different guide caused. Who actually gives a shit that the thread isn't made daily? You can still waste time in it daily.

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>>18601061
>bitching the same way OP linking a different guide caused
maybe a certain person should just stop forcing his shit opinions on other people then

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>>18601061
You can put formerly DJT into the OP message so people can still find it.

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>>18600754

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>>18600965
Before making this thread I had pic related as a concept to float but ultimately decided against posting it.

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>>18600958
It's not happening to /int/.

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>>18601079

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>>18600754
Hard to say but ゆるゆり is a series I often go and reread or find the urge to reread after stumbling random character art online.

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>>18601255
that was my point
or are you implying that the /int/ boogeyman is coming here just for shitposting

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>>18601293
Sorry I thought you meant you were saying that it's not actually happening or something.

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>>18600804
Can you provide your guess as to what you think the sentence means?

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>>18600754

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>>18600879
Make sure you're actually making some semblance of effort, and not just ignoring every sentence you don't understand.

Reading as a learner isn't a smooth experience and listening isn't either. If you're just letting the seekbar go from start to finish you're not doing much more than the average nerd on /a/.

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おはようおにいちゃん

>>18600682
なおとら

がいこくでやってたの？

なおとらちゃんなら

あくしゅしたことある。しゃしんもとった

いえやすくんはあったことない

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this place is so shit. it's actually ridiculous that any of you care about what acronym is used

my god

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>>18600692
As stupid as that is, yeah, it's what we need.
>>18601061
It will be only a temporary thing.

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>>18601254
looks great, saved

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>>18601254
Nice, but I feel as though “FLJT” (faggot loser japanese thread) would be more appropriate.

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>>18601254
at first I thought holy shit this is autistic, but then I thought maybe it's the necessary final split between "normies" and "otakus" to give each thread on /int/ and /jp/ its own reason to exist

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>>18601465
why did you respond to the same post twice

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>>18601469
I didn't
actually I'm this guy from the /int/ thread >>>/int/86799354 and thought it may be a good idea... that's it

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イジらないで、長瀞さん 第一巻 when
少女終末旅行 第六巻 when

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>>18601550
イジらないで、長瀞さん volume 1
https://books.rakuten.co.jp/rk/daee807e93d5383ea937a34b292283b0/

少女終末旅行 volume 6
https://books.rakuten.co.jp/rk/cf59b412cdba3a4bb5b4b24888ebd617/

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>>18600754
I was pretty surprised that the mega folder had only up to volume 6, only after reading upwards of volume 6 can I understand why they were omitted.

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KKLC or RTK? mainly for production, but also some recognition for harder kanjis

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>>18601720
Fuck you.

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>>18601737
Shut the fuck up pathetic weeb

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>>18601856
Kill yourself and never come back please.

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>>18601720
KKLC is made for recognition, not production.

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>>18601377
初見でもいい印象

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>>18601856
lol calm down kid

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>>18600754
I've only read about 220 volumes of raw manga, but my favorite so far is probably JoJo part 3 or Yuru Yuri.

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>>2146811
>>>/wsg/2146811
I'm guessing かすら here is another form of かしら？

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>>>/wsg/2146811 (You)
I'm guessing かすら here is another form of かしら？

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>>18601937
No, the subs are shit.

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>>18601961
I see, what about them exactly? I just started the first episode using them but didn't see a mistake yet. Please be more specific than saying the subs are bad.

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How many lines/number of characters should I be averaging per hour of reading? I started about a week and a half ago, and assuming the amount I read today is my average, it's 4970 characters and 493 lines per hour. Is this relatively normal?

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>>18601905
なおとらかんで

うなぎコーラのんだ

たかかった

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>>18602038
オエー

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私の犬は青です。

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>>18601918
Replacing devoiced しs with devoiced すs in verbal endings is like dropping the "th" or "h" sounds in English. It's something modern people do once in a while, but it's not really a different form or anything, and it's not, like, something that any major accents do systematically as far as I know. It's just a way of slurring stuff together. It probably is, however, only done in certain places.

And it's not, like, the same thing as if they were intentionally saying a す as opposed to saying a し. Pronouncing "s" instead of "sh" is just a way to realize し there. The subs could have written it as し and nobody would care.

It's a bit like some people pronouncing し as "h" instead of "sh" in the same kinds of places.

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>>18602101
Thank you! That's a great explanation, I appreciate it. A lot more helpful than just saying the subs are bad.

I think it doesn't matter much what the subs says, that alone certainly isn't a reason to write it off as useless as long as you understand how they arrived at that point.

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>>18602096
eelのbloodがはいってるとかなんとか

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>>18602101
>>18602111
Not the guy who said subs are shit, and I don't know much about slurring, but I listened a few times and I'm almost certain the VA doesn't do this, it's a し. It's just not enunciated super clearly, and when text tells you it's す, it's easy to believe.

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>>18602142
It is definitely not a normal し.

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>>18602142
You maybe be right actually. I just closed my eyes and listened to it a few times myself and it sounds more like an in between.

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Guess how I know none of you are fluent listeners.

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>>18602179
The fact that this is a Japanese learning thread on an anonymous English image board?
If you want to to brag go to r/LearnJapanese or something otherwise being helpful is appreciated.

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>>18602193
/r/LearnJapanese is full of people with even worse Japanese and bigger egos than you guys.

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>>18602197
Sounds like you'll fit in.

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>>18602142
>>18602156
It's definitely a normal し, you gotta remember si and shi are both valid romanization of the sound and some Japanese people genuinely pronounce it closer to si, it's totally normal.

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>>18602203
No, quite the opposite.

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>>18602205
It's not even a "si". You don't know Japanese. Stop trying to teach phonetics.

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Matt is literally oppressing r*dditors

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>>18602211
What is it then? Enlighten me.

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Can someone give me a summery on AJATT?
What the fuck is it and why don't we like it?

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>>18602217
>例えば「寿司・煤」は、ともに北奥羽方言と雲伯方言で「シシ [sïsï]」、南奥羽方言で「スス [sɯ̈sɯ̈]」と発音される傾向がある。
This but it can happen as a random sound replacement instead of a dialectal feature.

Oh, and by the way, here's a panel from the manga. It clearly says かすら. Get fucked.

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>>18602214
Hey good for them, they're branching out to new e-celebrities, like the human dictionary who sucks at speaking.

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>>18602232
It's a way of baiting people who hate traditional language education into doing something even stupider, a bait-and-switch that the blog's author ran so he could scam people with his "silver spoon" thing or whatever.

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>>18602233
Oh, well I didn't know that. You learn something new every day. My mistake

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>>18602232
This is a summary of it. It's not that different than djt

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>>18602244
It happens to everyone. I used to do the same thing, talk my ass off about things I thought I knew about Japanese but actually didn't. I kept getting schooled in arguments and that's why I stopped and decided to educate myself.

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>>18602233
Thanks for the info, but
>Oh, and by the way, here's a panel from the manga. It clearly says かすら. Get fucked.
This is a shit argument when talking about what VAs are actually saying.

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>>18602247
Lurkers: this isn't AJATT, and nobody has ever actually done this method. It's also not even close the DJT's "method".
>>/jp/thread/18357501#p18358375
>>/jp/thread/18581845#p18590294

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>>18602235
>sucks at speaking.

https://youtu.be/lzLBf7l5G-g

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>>18602261
You just can't hear ɯ̈.

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>>18602250
To be fair, what was posted has very little to do with knowing Japanese. Your average Japanese person would not know that much about dialects in Touhoku either. If you're a fan of the anime in question, obviously you'd look it up if it bothered you. Otherwise, not knowing an obscure fact like that is normal.

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>>18602268
Sure, but the question was about what was happening, and the answers did not reflect the facts.

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>>18602233
Well, thanks. I guess this is the definite answer. It's hard on DJT when you can't gauge people's proficiency.

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>>18602203
Savage.

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>>18602264
I wasn't talking about him.

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>>18602263
>this isn't AJATT

Yes it is

>No one has done this

Yes they have

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>>18602284
>Yes it is
No it's not. It's Matt's fucked up rewritten "AJATT", which isn't actually AJATT because it was never described in the AJATT blog.

>Yes they have
No, they haven't. Not a single person on the face of this planet has followed this guide from start to finish. Especially not the person who made it.

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>>18601937
「かすら」に聞こえる
「かしら」には聞こえない
日本人100人にたずねたら、100人がこう答えると思う

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>>18602290
>it was never described in the AJATT blog

You're thinking of AJATT™, this is AJATT.

Also, join the discord before you claim no one has done it. It's not that different from Khatz or djt

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>性処理用肉便器
Trve hardcore japanese

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>>18602316
>You're thinking of AJATT™, this is AJATT.
False. This is neither AJATT™, the method told of by the blog, nor is it "AJATT", a method involving nothing but Japanese consumption.

>Also, join the discord before you claim no one has done it.
Not a single person has started learning Japanese from the beginning of this guide and gotten to the end of it. This guide has literally not existed for long enough for someone to learn Japanese from it, and the person who created it, Matt, did not undergo the steps outlined in it on his path to learn Japanese.

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>>18602316
>Also, join the discord
Thanks for outing yourself as a raid. Go away and don't come back, before the mods permaban you.

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>>18602316
Not him, I agree that it's AJATT, yet still no one has done it. You're being very lenient to say otherwise. No one with zero progress in Japanese has followed those steps.

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>>18602247
>RTK
>tae kim
>start reading after one year+
>sentence cards
>classical japanese only after 3 years. No clear definition of it.
I appreciate the troll.

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>>18602342
It's not a troll. A real e-celeb is peddling this shit.

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>>18600958
I am laughing at you right now.

>>18600723

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>>18602353
no you aren't, you sit there with a stoic face in a too dark room like the rest of us

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>>18602331
>>18602323
>No one has done RTK
>No one has read Tae Kim
>No one immerses in Japanese
>No one mines with Anki

I don't even know how you get the idea that no one has done this. How is it even different than djt? Djt is RTK (optional), core2k, then reading (immersion) and Anki mining

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AJATT is a collection of random, unorganized, non-systematic language learning and self-improvement advice borrowed from antimoon and modern spiritual movements, repackaged as an unmediated ADHD blog, designed to act as the front for a literal scam. The only good thing about AJATT is its name.

Even the few pieces of advice it gives that are right, they're just a matter of random chance, if you borrow enough random concepts from linguistics and antimoon, some of them are going to be universally applicable no matter what context you put them in.

Aside from that, it has no use but to be the front for khaz's neutrino/silverspoon scam. Associating with AJATT does nothing but damage your personal credibility.

AJATT is a scam.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/2297ib/ajatts_neutrino_program_is_prohibitively/
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-8174.html
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/katyana-rogo-manduli/internet/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-ajatt-silverspoonneutrino-refused-to-honour-refund-int-1116749
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/upxk6/ajatt_is_a_deceptive_ripoff_i_spent_my_20_ama/

>>18602389
Doing one or two elements of a "method" does not mean that you do that method. Stop trying to project your fragile social circle's delusions onto the greater Japanese learning community.

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>>18602392
khatz*

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Well just tried real reading for the first time. I'm about 1100 in on anki core 2k/6k that's in the guide. I got through like have of the first Dragon Ball manga in like an hour and 20 minutes. I was using a dictionary though. Please say it gets better at least slightly. It was cool when I saw things I knew but my brain hurts.

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>>18602389
Every individual step in the method has been done by someone at some point. No one has started from nothing and followed those steps in that order. This is not hard to understand.

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>>18602401
It gets much easier.

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>>18602404
Yes they have. And it's not even a different order than djt. Literally the only difference is the core deck that takes a few months at most

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>>18602413
Nobody on the face of the planet has started with nothing and done these steps in this order:

>educate themselves about methods
>get a consistent sleep schedule
>>>>>read a specific new age self-help book and meditate every day
>>>>>passively immerse themselves in Japanese they can't understand
>learn the hiragana and katakana with no knowledge about anything about Japanese
>>>>>do RTK 1 and 3 from start to finish at 25+ kanji per day, with keyword-prompt writing practice, not recognition practice
>start trying to "learn" from the passive input they don't understand
>read tae kim, making sentence cards for each of the example sentences, including all of the artificial early ones
>make ~2500 bilingual sentence cards from drama/anime using tools that haven't existed until very recently, 20 per day
>switch to monolingual sentence cards from drama/anime at some point
>>>>>this is the one year mark, no significant reading of any kind, only drama/anime and sentence mining
>don't stop using anime and sentence card mining
>learn pitch accent (now, as opposed to earlier or later)
>"master" anime and drama before starting to read anything of any significance, even manga with furigana
>>>>>this is the two year mark, the learner has only been reading for a single year, keep in mind that there have NEVER been vocabulary flashcards, frequency lists, or shared decks of any kind
>production after only a single year of reading and two years of listening
>only now are you allowed to start mining individual words you don't know that you encounter while reading or listening
>>>>>this is the three year mark
>you're fluent now lol

Uh huh no. Not only has nobody done this, ever, on the face of the planet, in all of history, this is completely fucking different from the method described in the DJT guide, which emphasizes vocabulary flashcards and reading, and doesn't mention sentence cards at all, with any drama or anime you consume being out of scope.

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>>18602452
>Nobody on the face of the planet has started with nothing and done these steps in this order:
>>educate themselves about methods
>>get a consistent sleep schedule

Lul, you in a nutshell

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>>18602466
You don't even know English.

Let me simplify things for you because you're an idiot or a troll.

DJT guide:

>Kana
>Kanji (optional)
>Reading a grammar guide (quickly, with no sentence mining)
>Vocabulary (several thousand words from a shared deck based on a frequency list)
>Start reading, especially if you're done with the grammar guide or several thousand words into a shared deck
>Mining vocabulary is a good idea. Use this setup guide that mines vocabulary cards.

Matt's AJATT ripoff:

>New age bullshit
>Passive listening immersion
>Kanji
>Grammar guide (sentence mining)
>Active listening immersion
>Wait a year and a bunch
>Start reading kiddie stuff
>Ramp up as you go along

Notice how the methods contain completely different steps and do things in different orders.

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>>18602413
>Yes they have.
You keep saying that, and it yet it remains untrue.
>And it's not even a different order than djt.
What in the fuck are you talking about? Here are the things in that guide that directly clash with djt:
>Meditate one hour a day
>Immerse before you even read a grammar book
>RTK
>Sentence cards
>Sentence cards from TK example sentences which are non-native and unnatural
>Monolingual after 4 months of anime or manga
>Learn what pitch accent even is in year 2
>Graduate from anime and manga to VNs and LNs in year 2

[Anonymous No.]

Someone who wants to watch anime should study one way.
Someone who wants to read japanese should study another
Someone who needs to be able to listen and speak japanese will have to go through other procedures.
That's why "lel just study like this and you'll get fluent" is always stupid.

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>>18602472
>Matt's AJATT ripoff
>Describes something else entirely

I'm guessing you've just never watched the video or you have a very bad memory

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event: someone puts a simplified DJT guide in the OP
result: the /int/ discord riots

event: someone shills an AJATT ripoff and tries to replace the DJT method with it
result: the /int/ discord doesn't care

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>>18602493
That is a very accurate summary of the content of this image: >>18602247
which, by the way, is not featured in any of Matt's videos, unless of course he put one out in private on his patreon, in which case you're a bonafide shill.

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>>18602484
>>Monolingual after 4 months of anime or manga
You got that wrong, monolingual is supposed to come before any reading of any kind.

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>>18602484
>Muh timelines

They're not deadlines, they're basic outlines

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>>18602504
Nobody has ever done this so there's no example of how long it takes someone to actually go through each step to treat as an outline. Sorry, but something not based on practical use is not an outline, it's a schedule.

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>>18602497
Okay, now I know you're trolling or stupid. Please shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing about.

Watch this before you embarrass yourself any further on this subject https://youtu.be/9PdPOxiWWuU

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>>18602466
>Lul
You are obviously not from here. Fuck off. No one needs cancer like you here.

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>>18602514
This image is not featured in any of Matt's videos. Yes, the method is, but the image is not. We are talking about the image. Not the video.

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>>18602493
Not him, but I watched it, and it describes the image, which in turn is described by that text.

>>18602494
Not every post is news, and who gives a shit about /int/ or discord?

>>18602497
>which, by the way, is not featured in any of Matt's videos
Yes it is, and it's been linked quite a few times since it went up.

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>>18602510
>No one knows how long it takes to go through RTK at 25 a day
>No one knows how long it takes to read Tae Kim
>Etc etc

Are you retarded?

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>>18602526
There are timespans that are not tied to specific steps, but collections of steps. Did you even read the image?

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>>18602525
>Yes it is, and it's been linked quite a few times since it went up.
The image is not shown in the video. We are not talking about the video. If you have been thinking about the video this entire time, that's your fault, not ours.

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>>18602522
Literally everything you're saying right now is embarrassing yourself, please just watch the video I linked for your own sake

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>>18602534
I have watched that video several times. Trying to bullshit your way out of making stupid assumptions isn't going to get you anywhere.

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>>18602525
Hey buddy, you're on the wrong DJT. This is the outcast DJT. The real DJT with influence on other forums is on /int/. You might want to shill there instead.

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>>18602538
The image is in the video, and it's just a summary. It doesn't include obvious shit like "read 2 hours a day" because it assumes you at least know what AJATT stands for and have watched the video

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>>18602532
Timestamp: 7:04
It's time to stop posting.

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>>18602545
That's a different image, it has a huge "link in description" tramp stamp on it.

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>>18602541
I'm one of the people arguing against it, sorry for failing to make that clear in posts responding to separate idiocy.

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>>18602542
>The image is in the video, and it's just a summary.
If your summary is different than your method, your summary does not reflect your method. Thus, as a proponent of your method, you have a duty not to treat the summary as a representation of the method, because it doesn't represent your method.
>It doesn't include obvious shit like "read 2 hours a day"
So it doesn't include the single most important part of the entire method? Okay.
>because it assumes you at least know what AJATT stands for
AJATT stands for "scamming people on the internet with terribly designed websites".
>and have watched the video
Guess where the first reference to the video all thread long is? Right here: >>18602493 far, far into the argument about how the method in the image is a terrible idea.

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Honestly, the AJATT shitposting has to stop already. Or do AJATTers understand AJATT as shitting up DJT on /jp/? This can't go on forever.

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>>18602542
>It doesn't include obvious shit like "read 2 hours a day"
Yes it does. It makes it very clear what the hypothetical progression of exposure to the language is.
>start immersing
>continue to immerse
>Go through Tae-Kim's grammar guide, making sentence cards
>sentence mine anime/drama with J-subs or manga
>continue immersing
>Once you master anime with J-subs/ manga, start branching out to VNs and Light Novels, and eventually real novels
If your argument is "clearly he intended for you to be reading before he says to sentence mine", your argument is shit.

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>>18602452
>>18602472
>>18602342
>>18602484
What's wrong with sentence cards?

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>>18602595
They're fake.

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>>18602406
something about the cynicism of this these threads make me feel like you're trolling.

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>>18602599
The activity of consuming entertainment media in a language you poorly understand gets much easier. Whether your Japanese improves until then is unknown, but once it's easy to consume, your Japanese will certainly improve according to the Input Hypothesis, because the input has become comprehensible and non-stressful.

[Anonymous No.]

this piece of shit I threw together in five minutes is better than matt's method

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>>18602592
You realize sentence mining implies reading, right? The listening-only immersion is for when you don't even know the Kanji

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>>18602619
>You realize sentence mining implies reading, right?
No, the sentence mining at that point is explicitly about mining from anime/drama.

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Flashcards, anime, and drama are not "reading", not even if there are subtitles. If you were watching something with closed captions on TV, would you say you're "reading"? No, not as an activity. The fact that consuming subtitles is technically considered "reading" by means of consuming text does not mean that it can be considered "reading" as an overall habitual activity.

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>>18602623
Please stop embarrassing yourself and go watch the video

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>>18602629
This isn't about the video.

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>>18602619
Yes, that is why I said it does include obvious shit like read two hours a day, so if you're saying that the outline looks like shit because it leaves things out that you're also supposed to do, that isn't the case, it includes reading and is still a shit outline.
>>18602618
It's shit but I approve.

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>>18602634
>>18602632
The outline was meant for people that watched the video, not retards like you that don't even know what AJATT stands for

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>>18602642
Okay, well, this conversation is about what you call the "outline", not whatever he says in the video. If you want to change that, then fix the outline.

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>>18601283
Eyy, it comes with furigana. Cool.

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>>18602642
>not retards like you that don't even know what AJATT stands for
"Scamming people on the internet with terribly designed websites"?

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>>18602618
No one has ever done exactly this and therefore it's shit :)

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just going to go and leave this place, you guys are all fucking ridiculous.
Today is just such a bad day man. AJATT, RTK and consorts have truly fucked this thread up.
Enjoy never learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18602647
Sorry but that's an exception.

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>>18602651
It's simple enough that it's possible for someone to have done this by chance, depending on which parts of the DJT guide they ignore.

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>>18602595
Nothing is wrong with them at the beginning stages because new sentences will regularly have words and grammar you've already learned from previous cards but it begins to work very poorly with less common words and it takes a lot more time to create a card and review it thereafter, especially if you want to get maximum profit from this method (aka multiple cards for a word)

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>>18602646
The outline is fine, it doesn't include obvious shit because it's a fucking outline. Do you need steps in there to remember how to breathe and wipe your ass during the first year?

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>>18602658
>The outline is fine,
It's not, it overlooks the single most important part of learning Japanese

>it doesn't include obvious shit
When you say to start reading in year 2, that implies that people aren't expected to be reading in year 1. It makes it non-obvious that you're supposed to read during year 1, because that would be a contradiction. Keep digging that hole.

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>>18602652
Sad to see you go, man. Come back once it blows over.

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>>18602642
I watched the video, I've watched a lot of his videos, the method is the shittiest thing he's produced and if you're making up changes that make it less of an embarrassment then feel free to clarify what they are.

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>>18602663
No, year 2 is "read LN and novels".

It assumes you've already mastered manga and anime.

Learn English

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>>18602663
It does say manga is an option.
>>18602672
But it also says manga is an option, not a requirement.

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>>18602672
Okay, I'm going to eat my pride and say something that I've argued against many times in the past: manga isn't reading. Someone who's mining sentence cards isn't going to be paying enough attention to manga for the affective filter to lower and actually understand what they're reading at an intuitive level. They are not going to be be consuming the several volumes per week of manga that people need to consume for reading with manga to be worthwhile.

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>There is a brigade of weirdos trying this desperately to get a thread of autists on an obscure corner of 4chan to follow their lame Japanese method which features new age BS in it and involves donating to some loser's patreon.

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>>18602689
This is definitely the most surreal experience I've gone through in the past few months, believe me.

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>>18602689
I'm not trying to convince anyone, some anon just asked what AJATT is and I'm explaining it.

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>>18602702

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you guys follow Matt's advice. He has not even followed his own advice. he has been studying for like 8 years and took multiple Japanese classes. After 8 years, unless you have brain damage, you would be fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18602708
and lived in japan for multiple periods of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18602710
stayed in*
first time wasn't technically living there, just an extended stay, i forgot

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>>18602702
You're arguing with posts that shit on it. You did fine at attempting to explain it. You can stop now.

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>>18602704
Stop embarrassing yourself >>18602232

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>>18602715
I clarify on posts that misrepresent it

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>>18602720
That's not
>what AJATT is
that's
>a summary on AJATT
>what *the *fuck AJATT is and why don't we like it (this means something different than "what AJATT is")

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>>18602618
This should be the OP from now on.

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>>18602720
Well that answer is matt's AJATT ripoff, not AJATT, so you didn't answer that question.

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>>18602725
So, this is the power of an autist losing an argument. Not bad (but quite embarrassing for djt)

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>>18602735
I'm sorry that you don't understand the delicate intricacies of the pragmatics system in the unusual variety of International Auxiliary English used on 4chan.

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>>18602735
If you are using AJATT and calling other autists, you need to evaluate your life.

Can you guys just leave this thread, what do you gain by advertising a scam, are you Matt?

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>>18602745
At the very least, Matt's AJATT ripoff isn't a scam, it's just associating with one.

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>>18602750
We should start calling it MAR, to differentiate it from AJATT, the scam.

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>>18602686
>manga isn't reading.
I'm glad to see that you've converted, brother.

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>>18602762
I haven't, I'm just using the meme to make a point.

[Anonymous No.]

How to learn Japanese:
Step 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtcLJVN8yg
Step 2. See Step 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18600682
Legit question...

Why would anyone use RTK over KKLC if KKLC has a 2nd book dealing specifically with writing practice??

I didn't like WK that much and now I'm back to choosing a Kanji learning method... Really undecided whether I should do RTK or KKLC.

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>>18602842
>Why would anyone use RTK over KKLC if KKLC has a 2nd book dealing specifically with writing practice??
What are you talking about?

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>>18602842
The best Kanji learning method isn't so easy. I'm not going to spoon-feed you because any person who takes some time learning Kanji and thinking about it should be able to figure it out.
You can also just stay a braindead loser and make it a "RTK OR KKLC" thing and get shunned for it on this thread.

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>>18602842
Do neither. Dedicated kanji study is retarded

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>>18602842
Watch this, seriously https://youtu.be/TgRte6oSoF8

[Anonymous No.]

>>18602882
This video is factually wrong about everything it says about KKLC.

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>>18602882
Shouldn't you be busy with something?

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>>18602886
From the klc website even

>It aids learning by introducing kanji components step by step, grouping related kanji together, and building vocabulary progressively – all while teaching the kanji in rough order of importance.

It's shit, just like wanikani

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>>18602886
It's not wrong about it not being made for production.

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>>18602909
What's bad about that quote?

>>18602914
The only reason to do KKLC (or RTK) is to learn production and the benefits that come with it. Otherwise, it's much more efficient to learn kanji by learning actual words. What's the point of doing KKLC if not for production?

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>>18602909
why does that make it shit?

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>>18602853
very helpful anon.

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>>18602968
He was not trying to be helpful, he was trying to feel good about himself. Welcome to /djt/, we are that petty.

Also, I don't know what he personally considers to be the best kanji learning method, but if you got the time my personal advice is take writing seriously. If you can practice and manage to write them from memory you'll have a much deeper grasp on it than somebody who just stares at them really hard on anki.

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>>18602937
I agree, which is why I dropped KKLC, because KKLC is not made for production, for reasons I'm fairly sure that video mentions that I found out on my own.

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>>18602981
Actually yeah you're right. It's not for production.

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>>18602882
>up next, the kodansha kanji learner's course. just like wanikani, kklc appears to have been highly inspired by remembering the kanji
It's not. RTK is the archetypical bad kanji learning resource. Many have come before it and many have come after it. There is nothing special or unique about it.

>and was most likely created with the intention to improve upon the original
It's not hard to improve upon RTK, but having such an intention is nonsensical. RTK isn't an "original".

>but also similar to wanikani, the people at kodansha
Kodansha didn't make KKLC, they just published it.

>confused some of remembering the kanji's best features for bugs
Here we go...

>and in an attempt to fix these non-bugs, actually ended up creating a far less efficient product
Oh boy.

>it gets the order of presenting kanji and the idea of mnemonics right, but that's about it
RTK did not invent the idea of ordering by composition, nor the idea of associating Chinese characters with keywords.

>the biggest problem with KKLC is that it tries to teach you multiple meanings
KKLC does not try to teach you multiple meanings. It tries to teach you multiple mnemonic keywords. Mnemonic keywords are not meanings, they are just associated with meanings. They make a unique mental dictionary entry for each actual sense of the kanji, but they are not definitions.

>and multiple readings
It doesn't. "The best approach is not to concern yourself with memorizing the readings for their own sake. Instead, focus on learning the didactic vocabulary, and simply learn new kanji readings as you learn new words". There are zero valid arguments against learning vocabulary at the same time as kanji.

>out of context, at the same time
They're not out of context. The words are right there. This is Matt's definition of out-of-context, whether it's tied to a word or not. This is false: KKLC is teaching things "in context" according to Matt's definition of context for Kanji.

>in this regard, it's actually worse than wanikani, because although wanikani still teaches you readings and vocab out of context, it at least teaches you them throughout time
You are not supposed to learn everything in each entry in KKLC the moment you first reach it. The introduction tells you this. Matt did not read KKLC's introduction at all, though he's certainly proud to insist that you MUST read RTK's before saying anything about it!

>first, you learn what the kanji looks like, then a few weeks later you learn the readings
KKLC tells you not to learn too many vocabulary words for the same kanji at once, maybe just one so that you can produce it in an IME.

>the guys at wanikani have some understanding that overloading you with too much information at once is highly inefficient
Are you fucking retarded? Wanikani is the definition of information overload.

>it's much better to first just make the mental dictionary entry, then fill it in later
This is what KKLC does.

>now, with wanikani, when you do learn the readings, you learn multiple at the same time, which IS a pretty bad idea
I have never had any trouble learning multiple readings at once.

>but at least they don't have you trying to learn readings on the same day that you first learn the character. on the other hand, the kodansha kanji learner's course just dumps all of the readings and meanings onto you at once,
It doesn't. The information is simply printed in the same box. You're not supposed to study it all at once, and the book tells you this.

>which is a seriously inefficient way to cram abstract information into your brain, as well as a recipe for memory interference
This is not scientific.

>the next issue is that KKLC doesn't have single unique keywords for each kanji. instead, it has a list of keywords, usually ranging to one to three words
No, the keywords are only a single word. You see the ones in caps? Those are the actual keywords. The lowercase ones are just disambiguations on what that keyword actually means, which you cannot possibly argue is a bad thing in good faith.

>recall that the first purpose of out of context study is to create mental dictionary entries for each kanji so that you can efficiently learn the exact nuances of how characters are used through context
KKLC is basically an elaborate way to teach idiots who want to do kanji study into learning vocabulary instead, so it seems to do a pretty good job of teaching you characters in context.

>so like I said earlier, it doesn't really matter if the keywords you're using tell you exactly what the kanji means since you need to learn that through context anyway
So keyword study is literally useless. Good point, everyone should skip kanji study altogether and especially not bother with RTK.

>so the first job of keywords is to make creating mental dictionary entries as easy as possible
You might say this but it's not something Heisig did on purpose nor does it have any scientific basis.

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>>18602882
>>18603002
>KKLC attempts to improve upon remembering the kanji by adding multiple more accurate keywords for each kanji
It doesn't attempt to improve upon RTK. It's not based on RTK. It doesn't add anything. It was made from scratch.

>in order to help you gain a better grasp of what each kanji means
You cannot possibly think that this is a bad thing.

>but in reality, this is just giving you much more information that you have to memorize out of context
You're supposed to learn the words, not memorize the kanji's associated information. And you're not supposed to learn the words at the same time you learn the kanji. The mnemonics and keywords are merely a temporary placeholder before you actually learn the vocabulary, a much shorter-lived placeholder than when you do RTK.

>which is going to significantly slow down the process of creating mental dictionary entries
Citation needed.

>but this is only the more minor of the two issues with KKLC's keywords. recall that the second purpose of out of context study is to help you help become able to write out kanji from memory
The vast overwhelming majority of learners of Japanese do not have any reason whatsoever to even approach having the ability to write out every single commonly used kanji from memory.

>in remember the kanji, each character has one unique keyword, so you can make SRS cards in which you recall how to write the kanji given the keyword which will guarantee that you will retain the ability to write out kanji from memory
By that argument: too bad it doesn't guarantee that you will retain the ability to recognize the kanji when you see it.

>but will kklc, each character has a list of keywords, and many of the words on these lists overlap with each other. this is a big issue, because associating a character with a list of keywords is much harder than associating a character with a single unique keyword
Citation needed.

>and since many of the words in these lists overlap, trying to remember the exact list for each kanji is gonna be a recipe for memory interference and confusion
Recall training is pseudoscience. It doesn't have any demonstrable increased effectiveness over recognition training, especially not for language learning. Citation needed all over this shit.

>in addition to the list of keywords, you could add other information, such as readings and vocab, to the front of your SRS cards, in order to help you identify the exact character, but having characters associated with a long list of information is going to create much weaker memories than having them each associated with one precise keyword
If you need to put anything other than what you're trying to learn to recognize on the fronts of flashcards, you're using flashcards wrong. Better spend that time reading instead.

>I'm just repeating myself, but the nature of remembering the kanji keywords is a feature, not a bug
No, I'm pretty sure it's a bug.

>and to make one last small point, just like wanikani, kklc presents you with premade mnemonics to remember the characters, instead of encouraging you to create your own highly personal vivid mnemonic visualizations, like remembering the kanji does, and this this isn't desirable
The lack of premade mnemonics for late characters is LITERALLY the single stupidest decision that RTK made. The mnemonics you make without actually knowing anything about etymology, nuance, or meaning are going to be fucking terrible. Does RTK teach you the etymology of each of the ancient forms of the kangxi radicals? No? Didn't think so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18600754

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine if he put that much effort into learning Japanese as shilling KKLC

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, RTK here, ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603079
I actually read it and it's not shilling KKLC at all, he's just shitting on Matt.
>So keyword study is literally useless. Good point, everyone should skip kanji study altogether and especially not bother with RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/?upload

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603085
Ass or tits? No other options are allowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603085
Why must you torture so many unsuspecting innocents?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603095
お尻
>>18603099
$$$

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>>18603002
>>the next issue is that KKLC doesn't have single unique keywords for each kanji. instead, it has a list of keywords, usually ranging to one to three words
>No, the keywords are only a single word. You see the ones in caps? Those are the actual keywords.

How can someone write this and claim to know english?

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>>18603111
KKLC systematically uses "keyword" to describe only the capitalized portion of each line of text in the keywords field.

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>>18602968
>>18602977
I was not trying to be helpful but I wasn't bragging or anything either. This conversation is happening literally every day on DJT. It's a literal loop of the same bullshit arguments. Most of the time I appreciate anonymous image boards, but sometimes I just want to say "Jesus fucking Christ, you are talking about this again?"
It's honestly just frustrating to see and I have no interested in wasting time in these clearly futile arguments. Any person with half a brain can either try it out themselves, or figure out a better method.

[Anonymous No.]

Decided to give it another try and see how it goes.

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>>18603111

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>>18603002
>You see the ones in caps? Those are the actual keywords.
It is correct that they aren't unique, however.

>>18603022
>The mnemonics and keywords are merely a temporary placeholder
Applies to both.

>By that argument: too bad it doesn't guarantee that you will retain the ability to recognize the kanji when you see it.
I have personally found that when I have high retention producing, I am likely to be able to recognize without practicing that.

>Citation needed.
Every SRS resource worth shit tells you that less information is better.

>It doesn't have any demonstrable increased effectiveness over recognition training,
That's fair, acknowledging that there is a different goal.

>The mnemonics you make without actually knowing anything about etymology, nuance, or meaning are going to be fucking terrible.
Have you seen KKLC mnemonics? Some are decent. A lot are absolute shit. And if you think that KKLC teaches you nuance, I don't know what to say.

>ancient forms
Wank.

I agree with most of your other points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603132
>>18603115
There are MULTIPLE upper case keywords, have you even looked at KKLC? Look at this

LIFE
BE BORN
STUDENT

too many fucking keywords, not effective

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603139
>Every SRS resource worth shit tells you that less information is better.
Less information per unit memorized.

You're not supposed to put most of the information in KKLC into SRS. It's just there for reference.

>And if you think that KKLC teaches you nuance, I don't know what to say.
I didn't say that. I implied that you need to know nuance to be able to make good mnemonics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603145
Anon, I know more about what's inside KKLC than you do, so you might want to stop posing. You don't even have it.

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[Anonymous No.]

He didn't say there aren't multiple keywords, he said that there weren't multiple words per keyword. Learn English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603156
Embarrassing defeat

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>>18603166
Go ahead, post a photo of KKLC or a screenshot of your PDF viewer. Prove that you actually have KKLC.

[Anonymous No.]

Should i still be looking at new cards on core if i start mining

[Anonymous No.]

rtk

[Anonymous No.]

Is there an easy way to change the order stuff appears in Anki? I downloaded the RTK deck, and I guess it's bugged, because it has the first 21 RTK Kanji as the last 21 entries in the entire deck instead of the first 21.

[Anonymous No.]

kklc

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603185
>Full mnemonic for every entry

Just when I thought it couldn't get worse

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>>18603163
Correct, but that's not true either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603196
If RTK doesn't have multiple words per keyword, then KKLC doesn't either. If KKLC has multiple words per keyword, then RTK does too. They both use compounds with spaces in them for keywords. If you don't know this, you didn't do RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603185
Wtf is that ordering? The last entry has nothing to do with the preceding one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603185
Should have posted the section with CAPE, promontory; CAPE, promontory; PROMONTORY, cape. The mnemonics are really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603206
it's the end of the kanji that contain 善, which is only three kanji

are you retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603202
I personally think three keywords for three senses is the bigger problem, I'm just saying that that claim wasn't accurate either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603022
>>18603002
I'm the anon who originally asked the question.
Thanks for this, it was actually very "eye-opening" for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603208
Oh, you want good mnemonics? I can do that for you. Bonus: two kanji with components that don't have any obvious connection to the keyword and heisig doesn't give any hints.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603217
That was my intention. You can go ahead and hate on KKLC all you want now, just don't do it because of Matt's misinformation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603218
Yes, we all know that RTK gives up frequently. But isn't one of the selling points of KKLC that it doesn't give up? Because it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603223
The selling point of KKLC is that it tricks people who want to study kanji into learning vocabulary instead. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603072
This is pretty good, I'm still on volume 3, does it stay funny?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603226
Except that it tells you not to learn vocabulary until you're done, which presumably you would do when you ran out of kanji in your book either way. Point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603239
False.

[Anonymous No.]

W-What about me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603251
Bad actual RTK clone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603251
I use it if I'm confused about kanji's nuance.

[Anonymous No.]

All this is just making me glad I only have uncommon kanji ahead of me at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603226
Making your first 2000+ vocab be full of random obscure shit with low overlap so that you have one or two words per kanji is a really shit idea. It didn't work out so well for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603276
KKLC's marked vocabulary is not "obscure shit". That's something perpetuated by someone who was offended by /r/learnjapanese's hivemind somehow making the right call and preferring KKLC to RTK.

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>>18603232
I think so. Though I'd prefer less competitions and more daily hijinks.

Kahe Tantei Bu is pretty good too. It takes place in the same universe off the island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603305
Wow, the art style change is pretty dramatic.

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>>18603294
It's not obscure shit when it's actually a common kanji. Cherry picking. You ignored the point of low overlap. I don't know the hivemind.

[Anonymous No.]

i have seen photos of gaijin friendly texts (signposts, twitter handles, etc) in romaji that whose words contain "tu" instead of "tsu", or "du" instead of "dzu"

is that considered bad grammar? signs the person is a ワープロ馬鹿?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603294
Never seen 桜花 and 斎戒

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603326
Those words are from a bunch of random kanji in the middle. No cherrypicking common words or kanji. I think a skipped a few because the page they were on was slightly skewed and annoying to snip.

>You ignored the point of low overlap.
Not sure what you were trying to convey by that so I'll just let you have it.

>I don't know the hivemind.
To be specific the person I'm referring to actually spreads that they're "archaic" and obscure, not just obscure, and the archaic point is the particularly wrong part. There are definitely a small number of obscure words, and Conning could've done better, but I'd still recommend it any day as a valid replacement for RTK or coreplus.

>>18603333
Understandable, and good example of how I wasn't cherrypicking. The absolute majority of marked words in KKLC are top 20k-ish words, and it's not gonna hurt you to learn a couple uncommon words every day once you get past the first thousand kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18602726
I tried, it looks like shit. Better to just post it once in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

my understanding: かかる is like operating on something to perform a secondary action or cause a tertiary effect, and あたる is like interacting with something in a way that generates a meaningful phenomenon
am I on the right track? based on seeing them used btw, not trying to abstract over definitions

[Anonymous No.]

I have some questions...
Why does the unit tons (t) (屯) have a kanji and all the other units don't?
How do I write ー on a keyboard? for example パーセント
pls no bully

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603407
The metric units have arbitrary kanji assigned to them. These kanji actually mean completely different things. They're just uncommon so they were good kanji to use for the units without making new kanji. Centimeter is sometimes 糎, meter is sometimes 米, etc.

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>>18603423
note: 米 as in "rice" isn't actually uncommon, and this is a minor source of confusion. no idea why they picked it for meter

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone tell who's talking in the last two panels? I can't tell if it's the boy or the girl speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603407
>and all the other units don't?
Most of them have so. 糎, 呎, 吋, 粍. 瓩, 粁. Tons of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Making a JP-EN card select thing
It's still WIP, but usable

https://eikamikiku.github.io/JP-EN/ (20MB page, because dictionary is big)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603423
They are not arbitrary. Most of the kanjis exist solely for this words and almost all of them were imported from China that had been in contact with the West for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603464
The assigning is arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603436
The boy's speech bubbles are smooth while the girl's are squiggly.

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>>18603468
What do you mean? There are japanese made kanjis like 瓲, 粁, 瓩, 竏 that were expressly created for corresponding words. Words assigned to already existing kanjis that have nothing to do with those measurements originally is the exception, not the rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603423
>>18603424
>>18603437
ahhh good to know
I'll leave it then for much later
thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603494
I'm talking about the ones that were reused.
>Words assigned to already existing kanjis that have nothing to do with those measurements originally is the exception, not the rule.
Sure, but the ones made for metric units aren't used often, even though there's more of them. I mean I should've explained more but you did fine and I'm tired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603470

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>>18603219
but I don't hate on it, your post made me want to try it out, I'm also going to buy the KKLC green book for writing practice.

[Anonymous No.]

okay weebs I'll try to learn this goddamn language , wish me luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603841
See you tomorrow when you are here bitching about the language and announcing you are quitting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603841

Luck ain't gonna cut it in this business, buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603841
Don't bother man. I can already tell you are a bust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603853
>>18603852
>>18603850
Exactly what I wanted to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603841
The guide doesn't mention it but the first thing you need to do is engage in a RTK debate here. Pick a side and dive right in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603184
Has no one else who used the RTK Anki deck linked in the resources had this problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18600692
I second the motion.
>>18600723
I actually came here to ask about something you mentioned. What is this AJATT cult flood? Because I usually just do self-study and only come here to occasionally ask a question and see what the newest methods are and such but lately there have been much more folks shipping AJATT. I hate Matt in Japan but if you watch his video recommending AJATT he emphatically states the obvious that the immersion method is not new nor is it novel to its creator. Why are you guys shipping it so hard? I've been immersing myself in Japanese content since I started learning but I sure as hell don't intend to credit some shill for immersing myself, a.) because I didn't bother learning about AJATT until recently; and, b.) because I feel like... you know, Matt in Japan says, "oh don't use the AJATT method just use the table of contents" and I'm sitting here thinking I've got a better table of contents with probably 100% of everything covered in the AJATT and a whole lot more. It's called the djt guide. I mean for the record, you know his site has been active since like 2011 right? So why? Is it just one guy and I'm merely under the impression it's multiple people or is this really taking off in popularity?

I just feel like if you were the kind of person who /jp/ tolerates you would have been listening to Japanese music, anime, etc. long before you started learning Japanese and wouldn't need memeshit to teach that kind of thing to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603880
This. Your plateau is defined by how many times you argue about it and how autistic your arguments are. The more you argue about it and the stupider argue, the more Japanese you can learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603883
I've seen a few posts complaining about it over the years.
> You need to sort by one of the index fields in the browser and then select all cards (click a card > CTRL+A) > Edit > Reposition > OK

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603888
I agree with so I feel like it's strange when you say "you" referring to AJATT cult followers while replying to me. Obviously we all advocate for immersion and learning from native material. It's not complicated at all.
AJATT is trying to push a bunch of more shit on you like meditation and RTK, Matt is also taking money for it which makes everything he is saying worthless. There is no special reason it's taking off, people who have been told to do nothing but RTK just don't feel like doing RTK so they shitpost about how great AJATT is here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603898
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

For those complaining about lack of mnemonics in RTK, why are you pretending https://kanji.koohii.com/ doesn't exist? These community-made mnemonics are much better than the try-hard mnemonics that Heisig or KKLC provide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603960
Because then you're not doing RTK, you're doing koohii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603968
That's retarded. The important parts of the method are the primitives, keywords and ordering. You're only skipping the stupid "make your own mnemonics" part Heisig suggests.

[Anonymous No.]

Started a few days ago and kind of confused about the order of the DJT suggested core2k deck (as there is so much conflicting information out there). I'm supposed to mostly get stuff like days, numbers and months at first with a few basic verbs/common words mixed in, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603888
It's just the reddit invasion thinking they are welcome here

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604107
Reddit doesn't approve of them either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604110
And how would you know that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604117
Because redditors come here to post screenshots of their terrible frigid takes about Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

Raeding for the first time and idk how to put this feeling into words but when i see something i dont understand i cant well whether a google search will do or its grammar i have to look up in a dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603901
It's a dollar to join the discord lol, he's not selling anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604233
Matt, I'm telling you right now, stop visiting this board. Nobody is falling for your fucking scheme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604235
A dollar is all it takes to keep shitposters like you out :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604239
A dollar is all it takes to surround yourself with yes-men and asslickers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603072
I thought I was the only one who read this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604346
Me four!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604233
I know more Japanese than you as well. For one dollar I'll link you to a page that teaches you the kana and after a week I'll link you to a page (which may or may not be in the OP) that gives you the tools necessary to teach yourself basic Japanese. No links to the free readily accessible websites until you give me a dollar and sign up with your email though. As a free bonus I'll tell you you're a natural and you can do it.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why you guys don't just use the filters, cleans up this new filth nicely

[Anonymous No.]

anyone that's read the LN for katanagatari know if it has anything cut from the adaptation, or if a lot of things are just left vague intentionally?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604368
Post filters

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604423
Its a bunch of singular words with wildcards since I can't into regex; I'm sure you could figure out the words they love spouting

[Anonymous No.]

勺句旬洵恂荀筍徇殉絢詢
ポケモン進化っぽい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604441
desu a lot of those look like they are just changing as opposed to evolving.

[Anonymous No.]

is とって just like a slang/shorter version of とても?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604471
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604471
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#にとって

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604507
>the obscure unicode 下/中/上-in-a-circle characters break the link
Who the fuck designed this site

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604507
>>18604476
ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>雌豚に服は必要ないだろう
Is her, dare I say, correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604604
Rance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604181
pls help

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604604
>her
Meant he. Not sure where that r came from.

>>18604611
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604518
Go away newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18601369
What sort of steps should I take to get some effort in? I learned from online to break down videos from SRS, but I don't know if that'd be enough. I kind of wish this information was in the DJT guide but it's basically a whole introduction to reading to mastery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604615
For grammar just pick a guide and read it. After that go ahead and do the DoJG deck leisurely and learn everything else from exposure. If you don't understand the sentence use context clues as best you can and move on. For words, look them up in a dictionary, put them in a mining deck if you're using one, and move on. Just keep reading.
>>18604635
The guide is for getting your feet wet and nothing more. I haven't read the initial guide since it changed url's but it used to end quite unambiguously with something like "now you're ready to start learning Japanese".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604360
>>18604304

Lmao, your rabid disinfo and salt make me suspect you're just upset you used an inferior method for learning Japanese and wasted your time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604711
anon, you just replied to two people

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604711
How far are you into RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604635
I took the Finn's advice and watch anime with English subtitles while paying close attention to the audio. I try to make sure I understand every sentence in Japanese, using the English subs as a crutch to connect sound to meaning. I look up any words I don't know (which is not many because I have a large vocabulary from reading). My listening improved enormously after watching 3 episodes of anime a day for 3 months like this. I don't know how well it would work for someone who isn't already good at reading Japanese though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604827
This isn't /int/ dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18604647
Do you mean the 650 dojg deck in the guide or the 6000 so one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18600743
>>learning japanese thread
>>doesn't understand point of correctly translating japanese
what is this faggotry?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605015
go away

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605015
There may not be an accurate translation for everything stupid EOP.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck happened to this general? The last time I browsed it was when it was still on /a/, and now everyone is going on about some obviously stupid bullshit from a snake oil salesman? I'm guessing every one of the dipshit amphetamine peddlers died of premature heart failure or can't use the computer anymore from acquiring parkinsons, so the lost population had to be replaced with more retards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605138
rude I'm still here it's just that two people can only do so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605138
I miss those halcyon days of ironic WanyKany shilling

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605271
>ironic

[Anonymous No.]

>私にとってとくべつな人です
Would it be weird to say this to someone I have a platonic/professional relationship with? I want to express my gratitude to someone I've been using as a language partner for the last several months but I don't want it to come off as weird, how would it be interpreted from their point of view?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605498
this feels like something you'd say to someone you want to put in the friend zone, closer than platonic but not romantic

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605138
>obviously stupid bullshit from a snake oil salesman?

The djtguide link has always been in the OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605517
no it hasn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605498
>とくべつ
i realize nips skip kanji a lot but that seems very odd

[Anonymous No.]

are tohou games relatively easy vocabulary wise?

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like I shouldn't even bother asking. Is Genki II even worth going through? I went through Genki I relatively easy as I had already gone through Tae Kim.

What is annoying me is the quality of sentences and translations. I feel like most of the time the translations are very liberal, which I do not like. I understand I am being picky because the goal is to teach the grammar concepts and other expressions.

What are your experiences with Genki II?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605520
>djt haters are back
Please return to rebbit. I don't like your guides and prefer DJTs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605646
sorry that you're new and dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605652
のう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605635
Just take a couple hours and read it. If you've already read Tae Kim it will all be review anyway.

I think you will find that Genki II is the same as Genki I. I'm not really sure what kind of answers you are expecting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605635
There is nothing wrong with genki ii. It's made for people who need plenty of practice and examples of every grammatical term.

[Anonymous No.]

God I fucking hate memrise. I'm still using it so I don't forget cards while I get all of my shit moved over to anki and in the past 24 hours they somehow made it worse. Now when you get a card wrong it doesn't show you the answer until some arbitrary number of cards later. It's fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

初心者だ。 デスノートを見た。
キラ：　誰に名前よ、何？
エッる：　私はエッるです。

Why the に instead of が？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605767
Are you sure you wrote that down right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605777
I don't know, I don't have subs. The に is definitely there though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605792
What episode

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605807
Sorry, I fucked that up. Episode 9, found the subs on kitsuneko.
Kira says 誰にも言わないよ、何？

[Anonymous No.]

Starting anki, holy fucking shit this is so much better than memrise. Why do people shill that shit so much? All of my friends use it for other languages and pretty much every other JP learning community loves it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605825
same reason people shill windows over linux

also stephen hawking is dead

[Anonymous No.]

Oh my god what the core decks actually have words in a sensible order, not the crazy JLPT lists memrise uses. I'm starting to think all of my problems the past few months were from memrise being retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605829
what the fuck anon, i thought you were just baiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605839
Don't worry, you will have new problems soon, like still having to somehow learn 20k+ words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605844
My main problem was my retention was pretty consistently 20-30% on memrise because they throw you into a bunch of really complicated kanji before showing you the components that they're made up of. it was all just squiggles and I couldn't remember shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605829
>also stephen hawking is dead
It's real. Holy shit. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605829
>stephen hawking is dead
What the fuck
First aniki and then this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605825
Isn't Memrise "gamified"? People like getting points and XP so they can show off to their friends how much they are "learning". The same reason Duolingo is so popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605912
Yeah and they've been making it easier and easier to earn points recently. It's one of the big reasons why I jumped ship, I didn't feel I was learning anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605498
looks like you havent learned much from this language partner

if you want to be professional just use english trust me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605632
they were written by a skinny drunk dude in his underwear what do you think

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605138
its where it belongs now but are you where you belong right now? have you learned japanese yet? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605513
Hmm that may work then, its kind of what I am going for but maybe a little too far. I don't want to go much beyond platonic even

>>18605940
But they don't speak english pretty much at all.

>>18605603
I don't actually know the kanji for that yet so that might be my error

[Anonymous No.]

>>18606002
they dont speak it but they can probably figure it out better than your frankly hidoi nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>18606029
>hidoi nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

what is this. also what do you usually do when you come across stuff you dont understand. like i cant even think of where to look in a grammar guide for what i need most of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18606051
GオオＧＬえ
https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/1473007

[Anonymous No.]

>首を洗って待ってろ
enjoyable cadence

[Anonymous No.]

>>18606051
おいておいて
おいておく+て

[Anonymous No.]

People who are in 懊悩 are likely to say "oh no".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18606051
ておく could be とく in low quality works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18603131
じだいこうしょうおかしいよ

おんくんのくっつきかたがへん

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone use hello talk?
I got it a while ago and is it normal to just spam message random anons there and strike up a conversation in nihongo?

I ask because only a single person has contacted me and we chatted for a while but no one talked to me since

[Anonymous No.]

nobody here cares about production, least of all on normalfag 'apps'

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607179
From my experience the people there don't even care about writing correct Japanese with you. Most people's English becomes utterly incomprehensible as a result as well. If you actually want to train production I think there are better places.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607193
could you direct me to such places anon?
I feel like I have an okay foundation and I want to start talking in japanese to native speakers and vise versa to improve

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607265
Just find a place to talk about things like VN and Anime or whatever interests you. Japanese image boards are fine, lately Japanese Discord chats have been cropping up and getting more active as well so you might want to try that.

[Anonymous No.]

I've just started the Tae Kim Grammar deck for Anki, as linked in the Cornucopia of Resources.

Card 11 has a typo. It lists 今日 but gives it as あした in kana instead of きょう.

Who should we report this to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607287
Nobody. Just edit your deck when you see a mistake. You can also just not use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607291
It's not a matter of being superior or criticism, it's more so that a shared resource is optimally useful for others too, without them having to reproduce the effort, or worse, learn wrongly.

I think there's also an error on this card (it professes to be about "ga" but actually uses "wa".) Is that right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607302
Are you reading the Tae Kim guide itself? There might a follow up sentence, I don't remember.

As for shared resource, nobody actually uses that deck. The CoR has a bunch of things entire useless that nobody has ever touched. If you really want to use a Tae Kim deck I think there was a better one on Ankiweb. You don't need to use it if you don't want to though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607179
time zoneじさ

です

にほんからえいごつかうあいては

だいたい

オーストラリアとシンガポール

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607287
>>18607302
Oh, I just started as well, thank you.

>>18607320
>You don't need to use it if you don't want to though.
I have no idea how someone can miss his point that much. If you don't care at all, why are you replying in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607330
For the second one I wasn't sure, which is precisely why I asked. Hopefully someone else will actually clarify.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607330
I realize it's hard for you to put these things in perspective as you just started and don't really know what works and what doesn't but I was still being realistic with him. If he sees a mistake there isn't an authority he can go to to get his Tae Kim deck fixed, he has to do it himself. And I was still being friendly, the average /jp/ DJT response would be telling him he is a fucking mouthbreathing retard for using sentence cards, doubly so on something like Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607346
>If he sees a mistake there isn't an authority he can go to to get his Tae Kim deck fixed
Did you not read my other post?

>It's not a matter of being superior or criticism, it's more so that a shared resource is optimally useful for others too, without them having to reproduce the effort, or worse, learn wrongly.

It sounds as if you think the only reason to submit bug reports is either entitlement or to insult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607320
Honestly if you're going to use a Tae Kim deck, it probably makes more sense to just make it yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607365
And I told you it's a resource nobody uses and usage is actively discouraged on DJT. Do what you think is right though man, just don't end up some kind of DJT Nukemarine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607376
>>18607375
Alright, well. There's another deck for grammar there with ~1000 words which also seems good, and which I'm also using.

"Japanese Particles and Grammar" (not the abridged one)

Should I stick to that instead?

I figured the more the resources the merrier. I've already made substantial alterations to decks pertaining to
>Hiragana
>Katakana
>(Japanese) Kanji Radicals
which I actually might share. I based them off existing decks (for the *Kana there was audio built-in), but I tweaked the formatting and generally made them a bit more useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607287
>>18607302
The deck is based on this spreadsheet, where you can see where the typo came from:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bzzldhhOy1egUNw9am41GsLzw50ePvGv0KHsO18B6YI/edit?hl=en&hl=en#
On the same page from the grammar guide is 今日は and 明日, so it may have become mixed up in the process of making the spreadsheet.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/category/grammar-guide/basic-grammar/
Either way, the spreadsheet itself has been largely untouched for years. If you are keen on using the deck, it is advisable to do so alongside reading through the grammar guide proper and checking the cards along the way before reviewing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607392
In terms of grammar I think what is recommended is reading through Tae Kim at a good pace while understanding the points and reading outside of Tae Kim to get familiar with grammar. You can also just watch Japanese subtitled anime which is probably easier as a beginner than reading.
What a lot of people do as well is the DoJG grammar deck on the guide, which is definitely better than all other grammar decks.

Eh man, you do actually sound like a Nukemarine. Become proficient yourself first because you shit out stuff for other people to consume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607392
>Alright, well. There's another deck for grammar there with ~1000 words which also seems good, and which I'm also using.
>"Japanese Particles and Grammar" (not the abridged one)
>Should I stick to that instead?
Even most people who like sentence cards don't seem to like decks with arbitrary random grammar points. Trying to learn grammar from Anki is just going to waste your time.

Just actually read through Tae Kim, or JMTW or something and if you insist on using Anki to help you, copy example sentences from your guide into Anki.

>>Hiragana
>>Katakana
With the (possible) exception of wanting to learn to write them properly from memory, using an Anki deck for Kana isn't worth it, you're better off just grinding them, and then re-enforcing them by just seeing them in the wild later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607403
>Eh man, you do actually sound like a Nukemarine
噂をすれば
https://www.memrise.com/course/1110470/sgjl-04-tae-kims-japanese-grammar-pt-01/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607392
Dude, you shouldn't just do whatever they say. Obviously the sentence cards they are rabidly shitting on are very good to get some first familiarity with language, for example, shit like " just make it yourself" is simply daunting for someone who just started, and so on. Remember where you, here people have always a hard time in seeing things in a perspective different from their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607421
Oh man that's just great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607429
I think it's hilarious that he has the gall to plop it up there on memrise and advertise his Patreon all while Tae Kim has the actual guide on memrise without trying to sell anything, despite being the person who authored it.
https://www.memrise.com/course/62166/a-guide-to-japanese-grammar-tae-kim/

ワロタ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607400
Mm. In that event, I think I'll just delete the Tae Kim one and use another. Thanks for the research and clarification!

>>18607403
I've watched tons of anime and have an idea what to expect, but wanted something that was both comprehensive *and* amenable to sporadic study "anywhere".
I don't know what "Nukemarine" means and to be honest I don't care.>>18607416

>With the (possible) exception of wanting to learn to write them properly from memory, using an Anki deck for Kana isn't worth it, you're better off just grinding them, and then re-enforcing them by just seeing them in the wild later on.
I couldn't disagree more. The only way I was able to reinforce them in my head was to use 2-sided cards, tracing the character out in the air. Left to recall alone I couldn't keep the distinctions between some of the similar ones.
For the "english -> kana" sides I added colour coding, since I found myself (despite a line of text saying "Hiragana" or "Katakana") repeatedly sketching out the wrong equivalent.
Also there were some ambiguities, like ト and トゥ both saying "to" on the Romaji side (I made the latter say "tu" instead).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607462
>Mm. In that event, I think I'll just delete the Tae Kim one and use another. Thanks for the research and clarification!
Honestly just pick something and stick with it, hey. I don't mean that in a condescending manner or anything but the best thing you can do is pick a resource and work through it. If you are using Anki for revision, make sure to use the actual source and not just the Anki deck, since errors can happen and first hand information is always better than second hand, right?

The worst thing you can do is flip flop at the start. Leave that for later, once you're already on your feet.

>Also there were some ambiguities, like ト and トゥ both saying "to" on the Romaji side (I made the latter say "tu" instead).
つ is often romanised as tu, so be careful about that. two is probably better as that is an common keyboard input and what Japanese tend to refer to when talking about トゥ. トゥ is fucking weird, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607494
they're talking about the vocab deck, not the grammar guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607509

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607509
?
I only ever mentioned the Tae Kim grammar deck. I deleted the Tae Kim vocab deck straight away since it simply wasn't anywhere near as good as others, including the 10k one I'm using.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607644
Oh, my bad, I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607494
とぅtolu

ｔｏ＋「Ｌ」ｉｔｔｌｅ＋ｕ

こっちでいいんじゃないの

「Ｌ」ｉｔｔｌｅで

ぜんぶちいさくなるぅ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18605829
He died on Pi day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607265
Twitter is pretty great. I talk to a few Japanese people regularly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607700
ＰＡＹＤＡＹ２やりたい

でも

３Ｄは酔う

[Anonymous No.]

about 450 cards into the Core Deck

how do I remember adjectives pronunciation? a lot of them sound so similar
should I just listen to more Japanese? any tricks to remember them? I know how to write them but I mistake their pronunciations a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607750
Are you marking cards correct that you don't know the reading of? Because if you are, you're doing yourself a massive disservice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607766
nah, I'm being honest, so they are starting to pile up and will inevitably become suspended

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607743
>３Ｄは酔う
お気の毒に

[Anonymous No.]

>>18607773
Well, reading the example sentences that core cards have on them might help a bit, if you're not already doing that. Seeing something used in context will help your brain, well, contextualize it, and make it easier to remember. Outside of that though, yeah, until you actually start seeing and hearing things out "in the wild" your retention on them is naturally going to be worse, and even when you actually start consuming native content you'll probably struggle to recognize words from core outside of the context of Anki. Just keep at it anon, lower your new cards if you need to. You'll get them eventually.

Also to be honest, while Anki is a helpful tool, I think a lot of beginners (and people past that stage if we're being honest) way overestimate how much it does for them. Don't fret the little stuff too much.

[Anonymous No.]

ねるー

いまから８じかんは

にほんじんほとんどいない

[Anonymous No.]

24時間いつでも四方八方見回せば外人だらけ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFt7OnxcncA

[Anonymous No.]

>When you take a break from years and then come back to Anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608242

Here's a crazy special trick for learning Japanese: Not quitting for literal years at a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608280
Intereseting, I actually forgot a lot. Makes me think grinding flashcards is not very effective hmm... need to rethink this.

[Anonymous No.]

> 彼女は耳がよく聞こえません。
Her ears/hearing are not audible?

[Anonymous No.]

How long is しばらく exactly?

>>18608546
She doesn't hear well

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608561
I know the translation, but it doesn't help much.
How does this verb work in this case?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608561
>How long is しばらく exactly?
It's got 3 meanings. Something obscure as "for some time" should fit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608561
So far I've only seen 聞こえる used in this manner.
森がうるさいだったから、鳥が聞こえなかった。
(Though I may have messed up the grammar, I'm still struggling with the guide).

[Anonymous No.]

Here's a transcription of the entire first volume of ながされて藍蘭島.

https://pastebin.com/raw/cMSFQGsB

>午前10時…

>いつもなら
>今頃…

>2時限目の
>授業中―――
>ってトコか…

>………

>フフフ…

>ザマーミロー
>クソ親父!!

>ボクは 今
>自由なんだー!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608618
While I don't think it's wrong, for some reason I don't know how to explain, I feel like 森がうるさくて鳥が聞こえなかった sounds 10x more natural.

I'm just thinking out loud though. Ignore this post. I'm not very experienced either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608648
Damn it, it IS wrong. I attached だ to an い-adjective.
It should've been "うるさかった".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608546
彼女は耳がよく聞こえません means "Her hearing isn't very good"
耳 also means hearing.
"She can't hear very well" would be 彼女はよく聞こえません

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608698
My question is why is 聞こえる used.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think of this learning chart?

[Anonymous No.]

Watching Jap stuff with subs is said to be detrimental to our learning, but actually I learnt a lot of words this way and they stuck with me the most. Of course there's a handful of words that you may learn without any subs, just out of context like:
>何、すごい、本当に、美味しい、何で、怖い
Hmmmm... Learning ~100 of these entry most basic words + getting used to katakana English loan words gives us a big boost and we can basically start trying to read stuff at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608715
Because 聞こえる isn't "the action of being audible", it's "the verb used for situations describing whether there is audibility or not".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608715
https://kotobank.jp/word/聞こえる・聞える-240236
> 音や声が耳で感じられる
>Sounds and voices can be sensed by the ears
So 耳が聞けない is "ears cannot sense sounds nor voices"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608722
何だすごいなアニメは本当に美味しい何でだろう怖いな

[Anonymous No.]

This drink smells.

My nose can't smell.

[Anonymous No.]

うぬらまたぞろ此処にけつかる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608715
because she cant hear lol この意味考えるとわかるでしょ

[Anonymous No.]

I can't hear my ears

[Anonymous No.]

is it time to talk about the difference between は and が lol

[Anonymous No.]

耳は聞こえない

耳が聞こえない

literally the same thing right

come on class lets learn some nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

How does one hear their ears? Is it like when you are in the plane or something and your ears make that "piiiiii" kind of noise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608901
You have tinnitus

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608917
Most people have some form of tinnitus but it's only very occasional

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608901
probably the same way people 聴く to their 心

目を閉じれば聞こえる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608643
one volume of manga = ~1/40 an eroge
if you read manga you need to read a lot more than it seems like you should

[Anonymous No.]

>こっちは寒さを凌げる場所を探すのに必死だってのに
We came here searching for a place that can protect us from the cold but it seems we will die after all.

Is this the general gist of that sentence?
必死 meaning certain death here and だって as an after all, or realization after the fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608984
even though we were frantic in searching for a place to stave off the cold or something

[Anonymous No.]

あんぱん、食パン、カレーパン、このうち人の言う事をよく聞くのはどれ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608984
The first のに is not the same as the second. の is nominalizing 探す and に is the normal に directional particle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609030
Oh, the action causing 必死 then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608984
this is painful to see
thats not a sentence you should just be aiming to get the "gist" of by itself lol

please stop mangling peoples beautiful words by trying to read them when youre not ready

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609037
It's actually a spoken line in an anime.
Furthermore I asked a question about it because I wasn't sure if I understood it, especially the latter part of the sentence and asked for clarification. I don't know what you think this thread is for. Arguing about RTK and AJATT all day?
You can be helpful instead of clarify the function of those words instead of simply telling me I am not ready, whatever the fuck that means. Though I actually doubt you know any Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609034
More like they were 必死 about the action. So the result is pretty much what this guy said >>18609022

Aka 必死 is being used as desperately an whatnot. At least that's how I see it but then again I have 0 context and absolutely nothing else to go on aside from this one line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609053
you should be thankful i even told you theres something about it worth paying careful attention to while you guys tear into it like bloodthirsty dogs ripping apart an animals corpse and strewing the organs and shit everywhere

no one else itt would even make you aware of this

why be so upset when its clear youre in over your head and need to actually slow your roll with input you can actually comprehend completely

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609053
are you doing that sentence mining from anime meme

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609022
>>18609076
>>18609073
Oh yeah thanks, I got it now. I knew what 必死 meant but looked it up to be sure and the second definition confused me there.
Otherwise this stuff is completely comprehensible. I'm not reading adult novels here so don't tell me go easier, really isn't anywhere to.

>>18609081
I'm not. Just heard a sentence I wasn't entirely clear on so I asked.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it true that because Japanese eat so much raw fish, tests for pinworms are part of regular health checkups and even during school physical examinations students have to pull down their pants as doctors check their anuses for pinworm eggs?

[Anonymous No.]

>とんでもないことですわ。何分前例のないことよって。。。。。時間もろうて、すいませんでしたわ。
>時間もろうて
>ろうて
What's this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609183
100% true

[Anonymous No.]

>見せれない
Just saw this while reading and then I did a quick google search and apparently it's actually used. I'm confused though, shouldn't it be 見せられない? Is this some dialect shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609244
Short potential for ichidan verbs.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a lot better than 信天翁航海録 and 花散峪山人考 judging from what I see now. It also has a lot less furigana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609286
*sips お茶 and tips フェドラ*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609307
> not *sharpens 刀 and tips 笠*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609396
*日本刀を抜く ちんこを切る*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1iGO0al26I

[Anonymous No.]

>Study total of 1 month
>Get through Part 3 of TKGGTJ
>Been doing Anki erryday
>Check out the N5 practice questions
>A bit slow to read, but I get through it
>Get every one right, to include the listening

Is it that retarded of a standard or am I moving faster than normal?
Some of the r*ddit crossposting shitposts said they were struggling with N5 after years

Is it worth taking any of them except the N1?
I didn't take Japanese in college so I have no fancy pape saying I'm capable of understanding things, is the N1 a decent substitute?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609440
N1 means you have begun your journey to fluency, just barely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609447
I understand that, especially because you don't have to speak.
I just mean for offering my employers if the opportunity to work abroad comes up that I have some edge over others at my company/securing a visa to work abroad independently from a US based company

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609440
the n1 is only worth taking if you specifically need that certification for something

a passing score doesnt really indicate you have any functional grasp of japanese because its fully multiple choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609416
何を観ているの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609467
宇宙船

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609440
I'm 100% certain the people who constantly whine about how hard language learning is/can't pass N5 after years are people who put in 30 seconds a week of work. I probably had the capacity to pass N5 after my first month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609516
Anyone putting in 1-2 hours a day for a month should be able to easily pass
If you can't than language probably isn't your thing or you should re-evaluate your materials

[Anonymous No.]

nihongo is really taihen and muzukashi
i himotokued the sacred scriptures of tyler kim and benkyoed the holy flash cards but i cant wakaru anything written for japanjins over the age of jyusai
doshiyo /djt/

[Anonymous No.]

How do you reset a deck to the beginning.
I have left my decks alone for years and I wanna do them over again from scratch

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609583
why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609583
There's an add-on.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell are they saying here? The line that came before this was 友達の気遣いを無理にしないで！ (I have no idea what this means) after the guy's friends ran off crying. Also why is she saying they left the two of them alone when there are three there? There's no way human beings use this fucking language.

[Anonymous No.]

I know it's more of a technical question but Is there a way to make the kanji in the browser bigger without enlarging anything else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609825
Based on the incredible amount of old people in Japan I'd imagine that'd be a thing
If not we have some serious ¥¥¥ to make

[Anonymous No.]

I know this is one of those annoying 'how long is a piece of string'-type questions, but how quickly is someone expected to go from learning Hiragana to passing JLPT N5?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609844
1 month
As was discussed earlier:
Read Tae Kim's guide up to section 4 and you'll read kana, some kanji be able to use/sort of understand most of the basic particles and be able to conjugate verbs
Do Anki for 1 month, 20 new words a day and you will pass the N5 within about 30 days

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609855
I guess this is the part of the thread where I get memed on hard. I started Anki in August as something to do on the bus and while my lunch cooks, and I took a look at some JLPT N5 grammar tests today and I got most of them wrong. I've finished Tae Kim and I read every day, felt like a complete failure.

[Anonymous No.]

whats the deal with some ひ sounds having a s in the front

ive noticed it on a couple words in core (im looking at 体表 atm)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609867
I'm this guy >>18609440
What do you mean by reading? If you can't suss out the N5 questions I seriously doubt you can "read"
How is you retention on anki?
How could you have finished Tae Kim and not understand sentence structure or basic grammar, he gets into much higher level topics than are even considered on N5.

Not memeing, I work full time and study 1-2 hours a day schedule permitting.
Some people learn faster than others.
How much time are you committing to this every day? How often do you study?
Is english your first language?
How old are you?
Are you currently a student or employed or a neet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609889
代表 i meant

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609835
>I'd imagine that'd be a thing
No, no one reads paying attention to individual kanjis or letters. Your brain process overall shapes and context. I can read with this font just fine. I imagine natives can read with even smaller ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609894
English is my first language, I'm 25, I work full-time and study part-time so I work 60-70 hours per week. I learn 10 new Anki cards per day and then review forgotten cards twice that day. I read about 5-10 manga pages per day, currently reading いとしのムーコ。I still refer to my Tae Kim notes and Jisho while reading, but I assumed that was natural because people tell you here to read ASAP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609905
Not the anon you responded to but my eyesight has been getting shittier and shittier. i don't have any problem with the Latin alphabet and kana but sometimes reading kanji gives me headaches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609926
Do you read regularly outside of studying?
And I mean stuff more complex than shitposting and work materials.
I've found that if I'm actively reading more often regardless of language that I pick up on things faster
Sounds like you're making slow progress
Just don't become another できない、分かりますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609976
I give myself an assigned amount of reading per day and I enjoy it, it gives me that sense of 'A-ha, I understand this now' that I don't get from my job or other studies. Today is just the first day I've realised just how bad I seem to be at it.
I told myself I wouldn't focus on standardised testing and just enjoy the satisfaction of reading and figuring things out, I've messed it all up for myself now.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you guys format your sentence cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610014
bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610000
What are your goals anon
If it's to read manga and slowly learn the language then you're on your way
If it's to study at a Japanese University then you should be concerned
The brain is hardwired to reward itself for progress along a challenging path to a goal
If you are doing so, and it is fulfilling, then the goal and the checkpoints along the pathway to it are entirely up to you
Work towards goals you find meaningful and rewarding
Nothing else in life is as important
Apply this mentality to every aspect of your life and you will be a better man for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610024
Sorry for the blog post, but I guess my goals are twofold. I'm the only person in the history of my school that got to drop out of studying a language because I was so bad at it that going to the class made me heave with nerves. I always wanted to prove that I could actually learn a language. The second goal is to just try to fill my life with as many meaningful and enjoyable things as I can, so that's where the joy of figuring things out comes from.

I think I'm going to spend more time on isolated grammar study rather than relying on repeated exposure from manga, I think it's creating a saturation effect and not an awful lot is sinking in. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610050
japanese isnt going to end well for you
just learn spanish or french like all the normal kids
its not that i want to be mean to you or personally want you to fail but it is just the objective reality like the existence of the universe itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610050
Stuff like >>18610075 is why you should get off /djt/, this guy probably can't read a damn thing but gets off to the thought that a few people are gonna quit or give up based on their discouragement
He probably failed or stopped because someone did to him what he's doing to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610080
oh boy its this post again how fun interesting and original

find me one djt success story where we can all say undeniably this guy knows japanese or be.. what do the kids say nowadays.. "blown the fuck out?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610088
Not him but you sound like a very bitter person. I'm pretty sure I can identify your posts just by looking at the shitty attitude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610088
Don't you have anything better to do then concern-troll people trying to do something hard?
Like, I don't know, study the language?
The thread is full of three kinds of people
1. Dekinai losers like you that say how hard and impossible it is
2. People who work hard
3. People who know the language and troll/sometimes help out

Most of group 2 and 3 aren't in the thread often because they realize it's a waste of time
And in an anonymized group of people there are no verifiable successes, so you're 100% right, I cant

When was the last time you did something that made you feel accomplished, satisfied or fulfilled for more than a few minutes?
Eating, jerking off and entertaining yourself doesn't count, what's left in your life past that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610050
The dumb shit they do in classes is not how humans learn languages, so your experience there is irrelevant. If you want to be able to pass N5 and feel better about youself, sure, just do the Kanzen Master, but if you want to learn Japanese keep reading. You're gonna need to step it up from 5-10 manga pages at some point in the future though.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else avoid made up mnemonics because they don't want to pollute their mind with goofy shit?

The only mnemonics I use are ones I can find in Japanese. For example, way back when I was having trouble remembering 秋 so I looked on ja.wikipedia and it said that the supposed origin is that in the fall people would dry their grains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610183
Apparently my mind clears itself of mnemonics when I don't need them anymore so no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610183
The goofy shit gets paved over once you've read the word a hundred times. It just makes it easier to get in your head the first time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18609785
Typo, it's 無駄にしないで. I'm still not certain what she's trying to convey here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610195
>>18610198

fair enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610107
>>18610123
personal attacks will get "(you)" nowhere with me
show me something interesting or get back to your flashcards boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610225
vocaroo upload page
light novel scan

[Anonymous No.]

Personally I think learning Japanese isn't so easy. I've only been learning for a year but I wonder if someone with no burning passion for Japanese media can really do it. If they don't live in Japan that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>Read 2 hours a day
>Listen to anime for 2 hours a day

Is this the surefire fastest way to get gud while having a job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610233
ok bring it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610238
diy

[Anonymous No.]

>Read 3 hours a day
>Listen to anime for 3 hours a day

Is this the surefire fastest way to get gud whlie having a job and doing it faster than this brainlet >>18610236 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>Read 4 hours a day
>Listen to anime for 4 hours a day

Is this the surefire fasted way to get gud while having a job and doing it faster than this clown >>18610259 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610236
>>18610259
>>18610267
You forgot 1 hour of meditation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610236
>>18610259
>>18610267

could I be witnessing the birth of a new epic meme???!?! XD

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610274
But then I don't have enough time to drink my daily gallon of fish oil

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610267
>>18610259
>>18610236
don't forget your sentence cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610275
I think so, buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610274
This unironically, it really helps with focusing on a single thing for hours at a time without losing focus

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610283
Fuck you I like sentence cards, it actually feels relevant to when I read

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610294
How far are you into RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

How many pages of RTK do I have to eat before I can speak Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>Days studied: 92% (134 of 145)
>Total: 30703 reviews

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610299
I finished it. Now I'm mining for sentences and also doing the core6k sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610307
all of them, ten hundred times over

[Anonymous No.]

>>18608949
No. Everything about this comparison is fucking retarded and clearly you don't read manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610225
You honestly don't think you have a shitty attitude? I'm gonna go on a wild guess here and say >>18609076 is also you. You'll probably deny regardless, but like I said you can kind of identify it just by your behavior.

Saying things like "get back to your flashcard boys" does nothing but reinforce my argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610327
too bad it's based on the length of that transcription and the length of normal visual novels

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610327
also manga are the only japanese I consume on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610325
Post your RTK deck statistics.

Otherwise I have to assume that you are lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610331
i dont lie those 2 posts are me great sleuthing skills mate but i dont see your point im genki as hell 24.7

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610183

>pollute their mind

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the mind works, anon. You know how occasionally you remember some weirdly specific memories from like 10-15 years ago after hearing some specific piece of music or smelling some specific smell related to that event? Or maybe just out of the blue for seemingly no reason? Those memories exist in your brain 24/7 for decades on end but they don't "pollute" anything or take any kind of practical "space" because your brain has them in suspension. In fact an immense amount of data and memories from all throughout your life is locked away in your head, and while most of it will never surface again because it has no reason to, it never truly goes away either.

Visualizations and mnemonics are the exact same, they don't actively exist in your thoughts in any practical way unless something triggers them, such as the need to remember a word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610349
>Visualizations and mnemonics are the exact same,
This is the only part of your post I read and I'm not part of this conversion.

Stop saying things that are obviously fucking retarded if you want to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610364

Maybe you shouldn't admit you don't read the posts or conversations you're responding to if you want the same, friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610370
Maybe don't say things that are obviously fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610299
What does RTK have to do with sentence cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610378

I don't, you'd know as much if you read the things you're foaming in the mouth about. If you disagree with something then explain it like an adult.

The human brain stores and suspends information it doesn't actively need extremely effectively, whether it's a mnemonic or a childhood memory or the way to use the coffee maker. This ain't exactly some hugely controversial claim, it's common knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610401
Most people who do sentence cards are AJATT cult followers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610401
You're not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610406
It's not common knowledge and your attempt to justify it is even more fucking retarded than what you originally said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610364
He's a dumbass who thought you were saying mnemonics and visualizations are the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610450
I'm sorry, I don't understand your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610418

So what exactly is the problem you're having here? You think if you repeat the word "retarded" enough times you'll be crowned the king of internet arguments or something? C'mon now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610463
I'm not part of this conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610325
Can you please reply to me?

>>18610339

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610466

Well, that much seems obvious at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610493
Yes, I literally said it in my first post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610498

Right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610468
why would he? Even if he's telling the truth, there's no reason to post your ANKI stats in these threads because they always get nitpicked by everyone. Look how eager you are to find something wrong with it

[Anonymous No.]

How to read stats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610535
how to read stats:
dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610538
This.
And always click Hard. Always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610549
dont do this either just dont press easy unless there's a special reason to

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610535
You need to study statistics for at least 4 years.
I suggest starting with Remembering the Datum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610554
>>18610549
both wrong. The majority of the time, you should be hitting Easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610573
nice meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610549
>>18610554
wat actually do here? I've always just followed this simple mindset:

>hard
got the answer correct, but it was difficult to recall

>good
got the answer correct, but I had to second guess myself or think about it

>easy
got the answer correct without any difficulty at all

[Anonymous No.]

ID on the character below 緊張 please?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610591
感だよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610607
ありがとう、君も！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610582
I only click 'good' when I'm absolutely sure I know the character and I can tell that I'm bored with it to death. The 'easy' button is for the most obvious ones I don't even want to see anymore like 分.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610241
idk where to get books for children

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610634
Download PIBO app

えほん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610652
i dont use apps or a computer i can only rise to your challenge if you post it itt as an attached jpg or png file

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here who actually used RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
I have not and i feel fine i think

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
I sometimes substitute it for toilet paper when I run out of the real stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
I'm about to finish it in one and a half months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
literally no one on /djt/ has ever done RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
No because it's a failing method.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
Yeah I've got about 2 weeks left of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610692
everything itt is a failing method though
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610684
>>18610686
>>18610687
>>18610689
>>18610692
>>18610697
makes my head spin

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610705
>makes my head spin
There's a mnemonic for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610327
Of course he doesn't read manga. It's impossible to read manga because manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
RTK is actually decent if you use it alongside Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610233
i got some shit to do so i dont have time to wait for you to pick me some god awful childrens lit
https://vocaroo.com/i/s11G6a7XvVnQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610750
Not him and to be honest the times I tried reading manga I got my ass kicked harder than when I tried reading light novels or visual novels. The way some people talk, especially punks or whatever, it's full of contractions and stylized. It can be really confusing.

Like the kind of punk that ends every sentence with っす is usually murdering the language in several ways as they speak. For someone who is not very experienced like my myself, it's like going through a fucking maze.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610784
"lol"

[Anonymous No.]

https://github.com/tsudoko/kanjigrid
>Compatible with Anki 2.1+
How do I get it to work on 2.1? I added __init__.py and now Anki lists it among the addons but I still don't see any way to generate kanji grid (yes, I did restart Anki).

[Anonymous No.]

Fixed :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610750
Yeah, it's all pictures. There's barely any words at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
I've tried about 10 times. The highest I ever got was 300.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok guys I figured it out. Whenever someone advocates for AJATT ask how far they are into RTK and if they claim to be finished as for their statistics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18610663
There are a lot of meme responses but I'll share my experiences.

When I first started with Kanji they were very overwhelming and I couldn't find any decent resources online for learning them. I really liked learning from teaching/videos and all of them were "this is the kanji for tree, it can be read these 27 ways!" in otherwords fucking terrible.

Then I found a video series of some dude going through RTK and teaching it. Honestly it was pretty good for what it was, I genuinely was able to remember and learn these various kanji. And then about maybe 50-100 in when I was playing a vidya and saw a word made up of two kanji that I had known from this RTK learning. And I was able to know what the two kanji were, but I still couldn't read the word or offer much more than a guess to what the word even was. So it was at that point I decided RTK is good for literally just remembering the kanji. But that in itself is just a very questionably useful skill. I wanted to be able to read japanese, and it didn't seem like RKT was going to do anything to help in that regard. I just didn't see the point of remembering the kanji if you still can't read them.

So I just accepted there were no good video resources for this kanji, and discovered core and just use that now. I still suck but at least I can genuinely read a good 1000 words so far.

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>>18611128
I can somewhat vouch for this but my experience is slightly different.

I think RTK lays a pretty damn good foundation where you can build upon later. I used kanji koohi for the mnemonics since they're much fucking better.

I finshed RTK first and then learned how to fucking read but I was able to reap the benefits of being able to distinguish and remember shit faster a hell of a lot faster.

However I strongly avoid using book 2, it's garbage.

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>>18611111
digits confirm

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>>18611166
Check out book 3 for extra kanji that isn't in the first one

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>>18611249
I might do that actually. for what it's worth, RTK made kanji study really nice and killed the "kanji is hard" meme so im glad I got kanji out of the way early.

It made learning japanese much easier for me but I doubt it'll be for everyone. Everyone has their way of learning kanji and I wish retards or Matt could understand that.

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>>18611128
>RTK is good for literally just remembering the kanji.
Well, that's what the acronym stands for,
>But that in itself is just a very questionably useful skill.
It makes your learning easier and therefore more efficient.

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>>18611272
citation needed

[Anonymous No.]

While reading a novel or VN, do you also need to constantly add new words by hand since they are not in anki?

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>>18611286
I also would like to know this as ive encountered 2 words at the beginning of yotsuba and werent in core2k/6k

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>>18611286
>>18611301
Are you guys for real?

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>>18611286
>>18611301
Not sure if troll...

[Anonymous No.]

core 2k/6k lacks 危うく, defend this

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>>18611272
remembering the kanji has no impact on actually learning japanese

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>>18611249
Is it bullshit? I've been thinking on doing it in slower pace after the first one.

>>18611277
Complicated things are always easier to remember if you break them down into less complicated things and look for reocurring patterns. RTK literally just teaches you how to make those patterns up. Shit just works this way.

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>>18611342
not a citation, post a citation

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>>18611286
>>18611301
I hope we change this to the OJT, because we can have faggots like this person in particular polluting these threads with this sort of retarded filith.

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>>18611316
Yeah kinda. I used the search function and i couldnt find it

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>>18611347
djt isnt wikipedia what you wanna do here is post out of your butthole and enjoy your own smell

[Anonymous No.]

dork japanese thread

[Anonymous No.]

who alls signing up for tadorku this year
its time to put your reading skills to the test

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>>18611347
Why tho, just don't use it if you don't want to.
I've seen a TED talk on this topic.

>>18611340
really makes you think

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>>18611371
ted talks aren't citation

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>>18611340
Simply not true. RTK is basically all you need.

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>>18611375
im pretty sure you can cite a ted talk dude up your peanut gallery game

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Couldn't find anything online. What is he saying?
I understand the first bubble, something along the lines of "he/she's a weird fellow" (though I'm not sure who 奴 is referring to here).
But I can't make sense of the rest after it. I know what the words mean, it's just the grammar.

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>>18611385
citation needed

>>18611386
"what a weird guy"
...if there were kids that would think that

[Anonymous No.]

I know more kanji than DJT memes

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>>18611410
know more kanji than stars in the sky

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>>18611397
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

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the fuck is AJATT?

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>>18611433
AJATT stands for "scamming people on the internet with terribly designed websites".

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>>18611433
an acronym that generates 40 (you)s

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>>18611433
its how i make money off you sap suckers

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>>18611433
The ultimate threa derailer.

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>>18611433
All Japanese all the time.

A prominent follower is Matt, who recently posted a video simply describing it as "4 hours of passive listening, 2 hours of reading, and 2 hours of active listening per day"

Basically just immersion with some antimoon techniques thrown in

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>>18611484
where's the catch?

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>>18611433
its how i got perapera as fuck
youtu.be/skAL3DKxFbM#t=38

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>>18611497
>>18611436

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>>18611272
Is it more efficient if it takes a significant amount of time to go through RTK though? Time that could have been spent just diving into actual words?

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>>18611497
Uhhh... It's not the djtguide so why would it be accepted here? That's like going to Reddit or ajatt communities and expecting people to welcome the djt guide

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>>18611524
you dont want actual words you want concepts and shit my ninja
if you learn words in isolation youre gonna miss the entire meaning of basically everything

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みがわりのじゅちゅ

[Anonymous No.]

Following your advice I've started reading manga in Japanese. I'm trying to mine words/sentences, but how the hell do I get about that task if manga is in .jpg format? Do I just decrypt this stuff or is there some OCR program that would fit the task?

It just seems like such drudgery in comparison to means where you can hoover over the text and simply copy it.

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Shouldn't AJATT be easily discredited by seeing convenience store owing foreigners living in English speaking countries that can barely string sentences together?
Living in an "immersive environment" is just bull. you have to actually study to gain anything natural or useful.

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>>18611543
you didnt follow my advice because if you did youd be reading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLMfvVO0Cs

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>>18610663
I went through the 3000 kanji with RTK at the beginning of my adventure with Japanese - it was my 1st and fortunately successful attempt with the books. It was a breeze really, do you have any specific questions?

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>>18611524
It takes literally the same amount of time, you just learn things separately.
It might be less tiring for your brain not to have to learn everything at once though. I mean, even the kids in Japan learn their kanji and not just words so it's not just RTK.

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>>18611551
You realize Matt, Khatz, and antimoon all did immersion in their home country and told everyone that traveling to a foreign country to learn a language is a bad idea, right?

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>>18611554
I don't have money for these books. I need free stuff. I looked for them online back in the time, but couldn't find shit.

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>>18611557
I'll take your word. how easy was it to learn vocab after going through RTK

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>>18611561
>and told everyone that traveling to a foreign country to learn a language is a bad idea, right?
There's nothing wrong with their theory. Provided how much effort it is to learn language in a foreign country it's actually more time-efficient to do it on your own.

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>>18611524
there's no way to objectively measure the difference since there's so much variance in terms of dedication that messes with the accuracy

my instinct is since many kanji meanings are too abstract to be helpful in putting together words that it's not going to get you to X words faster "in the long run". there's probably some optimal useful subset of rtk that would be more efficient to learn first, but no one's done the work to make that

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>>18611573
>I'll take your word.
You fucking what? Is that some kind of impossible thing to go through all of that?

Vocab was alright, but I wouldn't say it improves your rention of new words significantly. I just feel confident that I can write that stuff by hand if I do recognise its kanji.

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>>18611577
>there's probably some optimal useful subset of rtk that would be more efficient to learn first, but no one's done the work to make that

Hi Nukemarine, fuck your sgjl

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>>18611577
This, you people should just stop worrying about methods too much. You're wasting your time.
Just stick with whatever works for you and you'll make it.

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>>18611577
less material making, more reading for several hours straight every day

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>>18611585
My friend did so with the jouyou kanji in 3ish months but he has a lot of free time.

Also thanks for the answer

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>>18611585
>I wouldn't say it improves your rention of new words significantly.

How would you know? Did you both do and NOT do RTK then compare the two?

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>>18611602
I did RTK1+3 in exactly 3 months. No problem.

>>18611618
Good point. What I meant is that I had initially felt it would help more, but I cannot actually assess how much it helped based on what you've just said.

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>>18611557
Post your anki stats.

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>>18611618
you need to know something to say it
if you don't know something you can't say it
simple as that
also post your anki stats

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>>18611630
Post your RTK deck stats.

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Here's the picture. I restarted my deck to learn how to write the kanji by hand because I dropped it a few hundred kanji into RTK so it's a mess.

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>>18611618
Not the same anon but I actually did.
It's more complicated than it seems to be. Sometimes it helps a lot to know kanji beforehand, sometimes it doesn't matter at all or it takes longer to make up a story for the characters than to learn the word in a normal way.
There's no such thing as a perfect method so I just use them all at once. It sure helps to be NEET.

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>>18611562
your nihongo journey begins anew today >>18610652
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.pibo&hl=ja

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>>18611653
>no matures

whatever you didn't doesn't count

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Are there any other learning videos out there like Namasensei?

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>>18611657
oh sorry, I meant no mature reviews in the near future but wrote my post backwards and posted too soon

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>>18611658
I used a video series from a channel on yt called learnjapanesepod101 for kana. Its 10 vids but they a have one huge video with all the lessons

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>>18611656
tfw have Windows Phone

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>>18611699
why don't people just brute-force kana with DJT kana site? it's most ridiculous part of the language to get stuck at

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>tfw have to put audiobooks on my Zune

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>>18611709
Because i didnt know it existed

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Nukemarine vs. Matt

LIVE!

https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=DR0_cOH-d14

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>>18611728
Fuck you, this bait actually works on me.

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I have just started taking interest in Japanese again. I have taken Japanese classes for a year but did not pay attention (big mistake I know). I am currently studying Japanese on my own and was wondering if I'll be able to reach N5 on the JLPT. I've been studying Japanese after school for about 3 hours each day for about 2 weeks now, but I'm not sure if I'm studying it properly. I am able to recognise hiragana with confidence, write basic sentences and make small conversations. I know a small vocabulary of words to talk at a basic level, however, I've never tried (My friends don't want to help me cause they think I'm a disgusting weeb). I am currently intending on getting familiar with question words like ”だれ” ”どこ” ”なぜ” ect. I have trouble however, recognising and implementing the proper particles and being bad at English makes it even worse (Despite being my first language). I am somewhat fluent in Chinese being able to understand complex conversations (Cannot write or read however). I have been teaching myself like how I was taught Chinese but not sure if that's the most effective way nor do I fully remember how I was taught. Is there anything to help me improve in learning Japanese in general? Any tips, study plan, things to take a look at ect. I'm hoping to take the N5 test at 18 and wanted to see what you guys think of that.

Thanks~

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>>18611729
What do you mean by bait?

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>>18611739
The bait of two crappy e-celebs being 相手

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why do gaijins love other gaijins who have some japanese proficiency lol
i really dont get why you fucks love the shit so much

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Back at it with the reddit pasta huh

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>>18611756
>lol
>humble brag
nice dude

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今度
1. this time; now​
2. next time; another time; shortly; soon​
3. recently; previous; last​

cool

[Anonymous No.]

For all the RTK shilling I still haven't seen a single person with a complete RTK deck.

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>>18611765
i mean not just \djt/ but like the weird shit with visual novels and which retard is translating what and all this gajin engineered buzz around shit its really fuckin weird (see dies irae) and i want people to figure shit out for themselves instead of get force fed all the bullshit

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>>18611789
epic as fuck bro :)

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>>18611789
lol nice dude

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>>18611789
lmao

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>>18611772
>You really fucked up this time
>Try again and make sure to get it right this time
How can "this time" mean the past and future and present wtf English??

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>>18611653
What do you think about this one?

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>anki stats as a representation of one's japanese

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I used to think that having to mix up kanji and hiragana to read would be really difficult. It just took me like 30 seconds for my brain to understand this sentence and now I finally appreciate how useful it is to use kanji in your written sentences.
>かの女が花をつむ仕草が大すきです

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>>18611784
I'm not shilling anything but I don't regret it.

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Are there any guides to learn how to trill my Rs so I can sound like a yankii?

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>>18612052
Cup your tongue and curl it upwards and hold it just below the roof of your mouth. Now blow air, as if blowing hot air from the back of your throat, out over the top of it to make it vibrate and hit the roof of your mouth.

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furutsu biri?

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>>18612127
フルーツ・ゼリー

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>>18612271
thanks

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>>18612052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2wzUuGm7yw

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>>18602842
If you want the good shit, use Unko Kanji.

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>>18611728
lmao,the stream said that nukemarine is gonna be the next interview by matt for "people that failed to learn japanese"

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>>18612294
I wonder when Matt's going to interview us

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>>18612296
A bit risky interviewing the hacker known as 4Chan.

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>>18612296
>"Hi guys, Matt here."
>"Citation needed."
>"Hrm? What's your learning been like so far?"
>"You can't learn japanese."
>"Actually you can using AJATT"
>"Post you Anki stats coward"
>"Why?"
>"Read more"

I'm sure it would go over well

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>>18612300
I'm sure Matt's got enough proxies.

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>>18608079
he kinda looks like eazy e

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>>18612302
That probably sounded a lot better in your head.

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>>18612302
after the first line it would actually just be dick sucking sounds

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>>18612274
そのおかし

グミにちかいよ

おいしくはない

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かくしゅう
各週
隔週
Okay, seriously, how the fuck do you tell these two apart in speech?

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>>18612436
ふつうに

おんていがちがうよ

各週は　か↑く↓し↑ゅう↓

隔週　かく↑し↑ゅう↑

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>>18612423
一番好きなお菓子は？
俺は大福かな

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>>18612488
ば↑な↓な↓

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あめがすき

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>>18612287
Why would you post this cringy shit.

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>>18612622
>why would you post a learning resource in a learning thread?

Better question, why are you here?

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>>18612693
youtu.be/V2wzUuGm7yw#t=277
but this guy is mad cringy lol

[Anonymous No.]

これだ　is this > Is this thing
これじゃない　　is not this > Isn't this thing
これだった　　was this > Was this thing
これじゃなかった　was not this > Wasn't this thing

大人だ　is adult > It's an adult
大人じゃない is not adult > It's not an adult
大人だった was adult > Was an adult
大人じゃなかった is not adult > Wasn't an adult

I just started Tae Kim's Grammar guide and already feel like I fucked up the first two exercises

[Anonymous No.]

I decided to try Kemono Friends since I've seen it mentioned here before as easy beginner material, but I'm having 2 problems.
1. I can't understand it.
2. It sucks. It looks like it was made with a $5 budget.

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>>18612922
>2. It sucks.
If you feel that way, just drop it and find something you enjoy. New Game! was the first anime that I decided to watch raw and it wasn't that bad. Just find something that interests you. :3

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You can tell no one uses a kanji when not even the sample sentence does.

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>>18612922
Dude just watch stuff that you're interested in. Your comprehension will always be shit at the beginning, might as well not make it more painful than it has to be.

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>>18612922
がーいど

がーいど

さーばんながいどー

１１話ショックにきをつけてね

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>>18612933
made me chuckle

[Anonymous No.]

the exercises can toggle show the answers

they also dont exist for like 95% of the topics

i did them and tbqh its not going to give you deep retention or anything. i recommend getting thru the thing as quick as possible to read. you need to practice parsing words from grammar and revisit the concepts afterwards

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>>18612909
There is no need to do the exercises
just read through it once, form a reference and then refer back to it when reading
grammar guides are like digesting an entire games wiki and then expecting to be an expert

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>>18612963
>>18612909

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>>18612888
please stop baiting or just fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

can someone recommend me a Ln for beginners? maybe fantasy? I fear science fiction is going to be too difficult for me

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[Anonymous No.]

>>18613050
Zero no Tsukaima

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>>18613052
Whenever I see shit like this, it makes me glad that I decided to stop learning their faggy ass language

[Anonymous No.]

>>18612963
>>18612968

Huh, alright then. I'll skip them.

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>>18613105
On another note, while I can read hiragana just fine, I can't seem to stop imagining romaji instead of the kana when reading the guide. I heard this will fuck me up in the long run if I don't fix it. wat do?

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>>18612933
Words commonly in kana pop up as kanji in manga from time to time, so you'll eventually come across it. Same with 迄、之、此方、我等、彼処、程、位、然し、也、etc. It isn't something really necessary to be aware of but after a while you'll notice enough to understand in context.

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>>18613139
It will fade naturally because most native media doesn't have ro-maji. Nor do the various dictionaries you'll be using, or at least they don't by default.

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>>18612933
It's used and everyone knows the kanji. As well as 亦

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>>18612922
ここから？

ＡＤブロックきらないとみれないかも
https://video.tv-tokyo.co.jp/kemono-friends/episode/00064162.html

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>>18613289
I just downloaded HorribleSubs and turned the subs off.

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>>18611543
If you can't read the majority of that sentence, you should not be mining it in the first place. If you could read most of it, it would be trivial to manually type it out into your mining text file for later card creation.

There are many ways to look up a kanji that you cant copy and paste. Google translate's kanji input is one, but you should be able to look it up using any variety of methods that you should familiarize yourself with as they are all useful to be aware of.

Also, use kanjitomo for OCR if you need when reading manga scans.

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>>18611543
Do you have an Android tablet? If so, use OCR Manga Reader.
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-11121.html

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>>18611543
Also, don't mine sentences. Only words.

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>>18611386
>>18611397

That's wrong...

Sometimes the noun being changed by the relative clause is the object and not the subject. In this case it isn't the subject. It actually means: "If there is a kid that you think is a weird chap, that's probably the one" (the next speech bubble is "たぶんそれ", I just opened my yotsubato to check.)

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>>18613181
>迄、之、此、彼処、位、然し
I don't know what you read but those are rare in kanji in practically any modern literature of any difficulty (if you mean くらい as a function word). Let alone manga.

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>>18613461

cont:

Seeing how it took so long for someone to correct this glaring mistake while the thread was being littered with so many e-celeb and "learning technique" discussions should be proof enough that we need a purge. You can also see that the shitter who gave the bad advice was arguing some bullshit about ted talks and citations or some crap instead of actually learning japanese

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>>18613473
You should see 位 around even as a function word without furigana quite a lot, people convert to it on the internet all the time. The rest of those are pretty rare in comparison, but you still end up remembering them because they're pretty simple and do pop up every once in a while

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>>18613066
this

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>>18613495
People who post crops of mid conversation speech bubbles don't deserve answers. Even if it's yotsubato

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>>18613473
>Let alone manga.
Be honest: how much manga have you read? I've come across all of those on various occasions from shounen manga alone.
I have a feeling you don't have much reading experience in general. People who tend to make such comments about manga are always the same sort of people who have fuck all actual real world experience with the language.

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>>18613644
not him, but even 丈?

[Anonymous No.]

まんがもいいよね

しょうせつもいいよね

げえむもいいよね

あにめもいいよね

たべものもおいしいとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18613668
that one comes up enough as just the word たけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18613559
how do i crack the n5?

[Anonymous No.]

しろごはん

いただきます

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference 楽しい and 愉しい?

[Anonymous No.]

誰が盗んだのか、誰か知りませか。
What is the purpose for that "の" ?
TKGG doesn't say anything about "explanatory tone のs" inside relative clauses. Or does a か inside a relative clause make it a sentence in itself?

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>>18611784
look here >>18611653

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614079
こうはんおかしい

>だれかしりませんか

こうだとおもうよ

>だれがぬすんだか、だれかしりませんか

これでもおなじいみだよ

でもちょこっとおとこことばっぽくなる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614118
Do you think I would even ask that question if I could understand nip? My vocabulary is basically zero.
Maybe if you at least used kanji I would be able to translate what you said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18613574
i agree with this assessment

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614079
I mean, you could try reading Tae Kim.
It just seems strange to ask something that is blatantly stated in the most commonly recommended grammar guide on here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614079
>>18614155
Okay sorry, I'm still half asleep. I'm pretty sure he talks about it thought. It kind of seems intuitive anyway and there is a dictionary entry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614155
This sentence is from Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614079
Oh wait, that's not a relative clause, that's a complete sentence.
>>18614164
Thanks, I got it now, I was just being retarded again.

[Anonymous No.]

This entire language is one long emphasis particle with a few kanji in-between

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614239
Congratulations, anon. You've finally figured it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614239
あたしたちは

かんじのおおさで

ほんの

むずかしさをはんだんしてる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18614215
>that's not a relative clause
It is a relative clause, it's the "who stole it" in "does anyone know who stole it"

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>>18613644
>Be honest: how much manga have you read?
I don't read any manga but from what I see people posting it's always extremely easy and it doesn't tend to use kanjis just for the sake of it, especially if it's something hand\semi-hand-written (in this case it's even needlessly laborious)
>I have a feeling you don't have much reading experience in genera
A lot. I have a lot of experience reading works of any difficulty level that's why I clearly know what you're expected to see.
I've never said that you don't have to know the words written in kanjis. You absolutely must to have any kind of fluency. But those examples mostly are clearly way off of what one could call even remotely popular. I think I've came across 迄 outside of prior WWII books only a few times out of last 5 works. And I can't even recall if I've ever seen 彼処, it's highly likely that it's practically never used as well as 彼 as あれ

[Anonymous No.]

Tried this in the untranslated visual novel thread a while back, but go no responses.

Anyone want to help compile a list of VNs known to work on Linux via Wine? One of the big struggles I've been having with my learning lately is that things I want to read are simply not readable my OS, and its so tedious trial-and-erroring things only for 90% of them to not work or have serious problems.

Here's my contribution to start off:
キスと魔王と紅茶 - Appears to work flawlessly.
Starless - Appears to work flawlessly.
魔界天使ジブリール - Appears to work flawlessly.
Dracu-Riot! - Worked flawlessly for the few minutes I was able to play it before the animated backgrounds made my toaster overheat.
対魔忍ユキカゼ - Works but constant audio crackle.
魔将の贄3 - Works but constant audio crackle.
ヨメ充！ - Works but the character voices are completely fucked (entire line gets sped up and compressed into a second long clip).

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>>18614259
Which noun is modified by that clause?

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>>18614315
iirc 迄 shows up in the first few pages of akira

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I know this is super basic for some of y'all, but I managed to sit down with anki and blast through it with zero distractions or getting hung up on cards. I normally take nearly an hour so I'm proud of myself today lol.
I wish I could do this regularly so I'd always have extra reading time

thanks for reading my blog

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>>18614315
No one ever said they weren't rare. Just that they're still bound to pop up from time to time.
Though I think in the case of 位 and 程 they are not even really uncommon enough to be called rare

and manga isn't limited intrinsically in any way with the kind of kanji and vocabulary it can use, so there's no use climbing up on your high horse of ""real literature"" to try and single it out

i mean there are pre war books and then there are unko picture books same way there are gachi manga and then there are unko manga

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>>18614371
is this really worth the effort versus just tossing windows onto something throwaway and reading whatever you want?

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>>18614444
I don't have another computer.

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>>18614377
ゆうめいなのは

そうせきの

>彼岸過迄

かなあ

Ｎ１＋＋＋くらいでよめるとおもうよ
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/765_14961.html

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>>18614458
>>18614371
Just use a virtual machine. For the sake of convenience, install a Japanese version of Windows.

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>>18614498
Lots of VNs don't work on VMs either, in my experience. They all rely on DirectX and support for that on VMs is pretty flaky.

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>>18614514
Also, they eat more system resources which is a concern due to my aforementioned toaster issue.

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>>18611728
wow matt couldn't even answer an n3 level question properly on that stream how embarassing

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>>18613574
>>18614151
Added to the OP? maybe
'Mid conversation or sentence fragments will not be considered. Post the full page or paragraph.'

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>>18614576
no thanks

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>>18614458
can't you dual boot? i did that on a toaster like 10 years ago

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>>18614371
These are some that I've tested recently on an older laptop under wine-git(3.3) :
カノジョ＊ステップ - Works
IxSHETell - Works
縁りて此の葉は紅に - Works but may be slow on older systems
夜巡る、ボクらの迷子教室 - Works
ワルキューレロマンツェ - Works
星空へ架かる橋 - Works
あかね色に染まる坂 - Works
つよきす - Works
処女はお姉さまに恋してる３ - Works , main menu is a bit laggy
将軍様はお年頃 通常版 - Works
お家に帰るまでがましまろです - Works

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>>18614371
Check the animebytes thread

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>tfw can't remember what it felt like not to know any Japanese so for some reason it feels like you're cheating when you understand a sentence because you learned the words and grammar instead of magically understanding them
>tfw you read something you couldn't read before and it feels like you're cheating even though you didn't even look up any words

Maybe I feel like Japanese is impossible but it's not and I'm learning it so when I apply my knowledge it feels like I'm cheating and don't actually know any Japanese

thanks for subscribing to my blog

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>>18614667

Upvoted, sorry about your mental issues.

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What does なにしてんの mean, I keep seeing it in a manga but Rikai and google translate don't understand it?

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>>18614757
なにしてんの
=何してるの
=何をしているの

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>>18612290
Is there anywhere where I could get it for free, please?
Or any other Japanese's own guide to kanji and maybe radicals that they themselves use?

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>>18614784
Oh I know 何をしているの. Why do mangaka feel the need to write improper language?

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>>18614859
youtu.be/4FpW2AHNCA0#t=171 this appears to be money well spent my ninja buy this shit

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>>18614625
That was my initial intention, but it ended up not happening due to the stupid way that Windows 7 is designed. If you want a Windows 7 dual-boot then you have to install Windows 7 first (I did know this bit) and bring it up to SP1 via the updates (I didn't know this bit) before installing Linux on the system. If you install Linux before updating to SP1 (which is what I did), then Windows Update will not let you install SP1 for some fucking retarded reason. By the time I discovered this, I had already installed Linux and got everything set up how I liked it and couldn't be fucked with going through the whole process of reinstalling everything from scratch again.

>>18614658
Thanks a lot for contributing. I knew there had to be someone else here who had some experience with this.

>>18614662
The project there doesn't seem to have taken off, unfortunately.

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I enjoy RTK.

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After a few months of grinding core on Anki I don't really get why anyone would think it would be more efficient to memorize individual kanji before starting on vocab. My average is 1 or 2 lapses on a card before I have it memorized to mature, so it's at most a few minutes cumulative for each word over the course of months. In the process I pick up a lot of individual kanji readings and a gist of their meanings. Can doing RTK or similar really improve enough on that efficiency to justify the time investment?

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>>18614925
if you use linux primarily arent you supposed to be good at computer

also fwiw 95% of japan still runs on winxp and earlier which is great for visual games so why not i dont know solve your own problem mr im so good at computers i use linux as my primary os but now i want to use fun software like hentai games and it turns out im not actually so good at computer because im asking djt for help lol

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>>18614948
Plenty of people with mediocre computer ability like myself use Linux, else distros like Ubuntu wouldn't exist and be so popular (relatively speaking).

Honestly, even to use the "advanced" distros like Arch, you don't need to be good with computers at all, you just need to be able to follow instructions.

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>>18614925
does http://www.zdnet.com/article/quick-fix-for-windows-7-sp1-installation-errors/ not work

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>>18614995
Thanks for the link. Don't think I managed to turn that up when I was digging through google trying to find a solution before. Unfortunately, it's too late for me to test it now.

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>>18615021
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+7+wont+install+sp1+linux

first result my ninja..

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>>18615037
Maybe it did turn up and I tried it then. I honestly can't remember what specifically I tried or didn't anymore. It was well over a year ago.

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>>18615044
good luck man in just everything

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ねむれない

なんかぞわぞわする

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I guess ついたりする here has the nuance that the cigarette lighting up arbitrarily is just one of many things it did, presenting the action as somewhat random (or rather asking if it is).

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>>18615139
知るかよ

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>>18615153
どうやって火というよくわからないものをつけたの

これをとおまわしにいうと

火って勝手についたりするものだっけ

だよ

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>>18615172
ああ、そういう意味だった
サンキュー

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https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=6233
I will never become a translator

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>>18614935
Some people have a terrible retention rate, so 藁にも縋る. I realized there is such a thing as suspended cards only after 10k+ cards in anki and I never did kanji studying.

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>>18615153
im telling you dude youre not ready for that show
the faces are wide but the literary breadth is much wider

>>18615204
im not allowed to go on hentai sites but if thats what you decided for yourself i support you 100%

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>>18615220
I mean, do you think that line has particular literary breath? Most of it is pretty simple and I always ask when I am not sure about something, which is now the second time in total while I am on episode 3. Please stop telling people NOT to consume things. Just makes no sense.

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>>18615200
どういたしまして

あした

つくしとりにいきたいなとおもう

たいちょうがよければ

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>>18615230
in context yeah probably dude
look im still gonna stand by suggesting people shouldnt try to have their cake and eat it too but if you must anyway just put it on a list of shit to revisit and sometime in the future when youre pretty good with nihongo go back to it and have the dessert you truly deserve

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>>18615249
Listen man, I want to understand normal Japanese. I doubt that will happen by reading Yotsubato all my life. I am not reading difficult novels or reading VN average Japanese people struggle with. You shouldn't tell people not to consume stuff that is of normal difficulty. Nobody wants to read baby things and quite frankly it makes no sense to do so especially as this input is comprehensible enough.

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>>18614896
I remember reading in TK that its a lazy way of pronouncing ている or something like that so maybe its not limited to just manga

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>>18615263
少女終末旅行 isnt a normal show with normal things
you should be able to tell theres something up just with the title

its a pretty witty and artsy (in a literary sense) show for tv anime

i understand you dont wanna read baby stuff but are you trying to learn japanese or entertain yourself
if you reach for both you will truly attain neither

anyway keep on keepin on if you must but just put it in your nihongo journey time capsule and youll be surprised what you find when you dig it up and go through it later

best regards cheers