Elona

[Anonymous No.]

>New? Start here:
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>E+ Changelogs:
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>Elona Custom Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

>Previous Thread
>>18431328

Current Version: Elona+ 1.75 (1/8/2018)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.75.1

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.

[Anonymous No.]

I just noticed every fourth tier god reward doesn't overlap slot wise,you could potentially equip yourself with all of them if you are so masochistic as to cripple yourself skill wise

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463457
I meant PV,FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463457
Your spelling is off m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463482
I was in a rush,no bully please

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463457
I mean by the point you get all of them you probably jacked up your stats high enough to warrant sealing off your power.

[Anonymous No.]

I know tourist and snail are joke classes,has anyone ever cleared AT LEAST Act 1 with a whore character? i dont think you can ride zeome to death

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463545
he may selfdestruct due to abnormal status effects

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463562
>Zeome got a suicide spell

Wait what?

[Anonymous No.]

I will drink from every water source and get the rest on my home,that way i dont have to wait until november in case i want all their rewards

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463586
Mana reaction from casting while confused..

[Anonymous No.]

Good start so far

[Anonymous No.]

After a quick look into the source code I found the damage formula for suicide attack. At 2200 constitution it deals 89d496 damage. That's bad, hilariously bad. Taking 99999 damage in return for dealing at most 40584 damage is one thing, but requiring max constitution and a 20% buff really makes it worthless. I guess I'm sticking with no explosions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464197
456 not 496. My mistake. I'd consider buffing it if it wasn't going to be hilariously bad once I ran into the cluster bomb rock room.

[Anonymous No.]

...not sure what happened. I'm fairly new and don't really know what I'm doing. I just got back here and a fire started spreading. on top of that monsters keep spawning from a vortex? is there a way to go further back in the log?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464285
The Cosmos sat at a table and decided that Ragnarok should be swung today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463406
>That dedication.

Okay. I am now respecting your autism. How many years did you create OC for the Elona general?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464314
If that was ragnarok, he'd have been murdered by 50 dragons by now.

>>18464285
Most likely someone in town (maybe you) is wearing cursed equipment that attracts monsters. One of them was probably a fire hound that started the fire.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, if TwoHand damage 1.2 (+0.3 if the weapon is over 4stones) + 0.03 * total twohand skill, then using heavy weapon is pretty much pointless for longer games? crit multiplier aside

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464336
Why do you say that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464335
I checked with everyone I could trade with. one of them was wearing doomed chainmail

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464356
Look at the formula, bonus for 4s+ weight is equal a mere 10 levels of twohand skill. Isnt it quite pathetic? At the very least, it means that fairies can twohand properly without losing damage multiplier. (no 3x crit multiplier, tho)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464358
An adventurer then? Trade with him again, select his chainmail, and e(x)amine it. If it attracts monsters, he's your culprit.

Unfortunately since it's doomed, he can't take it off to trade. He's just going to wander around, occasionally showing up in towns and bringing "guests" with him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464336
>>18464389
Talk about twohand skill. How damage multiplier actually works in regards of tactics?
Is resulting damage multiplier a sum of tactics+twohand? or is it tactics*twohand?

If its a sum, then twohand only adds a half of tactics multiplier to damage bonus at level 2k, which makes DW much more interesting.
You need to overcome DW's low crit multiplier, though, so you need ~4x more strikes than two hand to make it worth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463406
I love you OPanon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464419
Invite adventurer to party, uncurse it with scrolls or healer NPC. Or better ignore it and enjoy the view.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like a retard for asking, but when an item says "It hurts technique" then it lowers it right? Only asking because its green, the same colour as all the positive buffs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464474
Vanilla bug, apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464389
>>18464425
Two hand wielders get three damage multiplier sources. Weapon skill, tactics, and two hand. A lot of other damage types only get just two. Like dual wield and sword and board(weapon skill + tactics). The cherry on top for two hand wielders is that not only do they get 3 damage multiplier sources but the heavier your weapon the more damage you do. In fact, you'll experience a linear increase in damage the heavier your weapon becomes. However the additional damage from having a heavy weapon only applies to crit damage not normal damage. So when two hander does damage it's enormous if they crit. They might only get 4 hits in a turn compared to others that get 8 but the fact that their crit damage can be enormous makes up for that fact. From what Kai has shown in previous threads two hand seems to outdamage dual wielders that just have two hands. There is only competition if the dual wielder is some sort of mutant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464491
It's not the same as ''raises by 0'' not showing the correct number. This ''it hurts technique'' description error didn't exist before 1.73, and equipment used to say ''It enhances [x]'' even when lowering it. When implementing a description change to say when it's actually lowered, dog accidentally made it so it says ''hurts [x]'' even when it raises it.

>>18464474
It raises it and is just an error in the text. You were right to assume this is the case when it's green. Will probably be fixed in the next version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464504
With numbers for 2k skills and 3k strength (realistic buffed cap without uncontroll) its 215x multiplier for dw and 267x(800x crit) for two hand.
With two weapons DW deals half of Two Hand direct damage, but gets double procs for invokes and free extra attack bonus from skill.
Also, unlike two hand, DW benefits much more from timestop, since damage output doesnt rely on crit multiplier.

In conclusion, even double-weapon timestop DW should be roughly on-par with twohand, but its somewhat less reliable. As a bonus, you can go for medium armor(better, longer buffs) weight freely, unlike mandatory heavy armor for TH.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464325
Only about a year. By my count in the folder I work from 54 OPs, give or take a few that got lost somewhere. Quality varies as I don't always have time.

>>18464431
You too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464605
I just feel bad for casters wanting to branch out into wielding some sort of weapon. You get nailed with a casting penalty if you want to maximize your damage with two hand since you need to be heavy class. Dual wield nets you a penalty since you have a weapon in both hands. Warmage feat can kinda help though.

[Anonymous No.]

Speak for yourself player. Us masterace pets don't have to worry about silly things like not being able to cast in fullplate. Now give me gold so I can oh ho ho you in skills too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464690
Atleast Stave users have Dance of Blow as a Gauge Release move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464474
It's a bug, in short: Green=Good, Red=Bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464721
You know how in D&D, clerics are able to cast in full plate because their magic is based on faith? Your pets love and believe in you so much they defy the laws of the world

[Anonymous No.]

Everytime I try to run the game I get this message

(HspError 13 WinError 0 Ver 3010 Mode 0
efId 0 efP 0 Area 0/0
ci 0#0 ti 0#0 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 0#0
3. ctrlFile10 ct:0
2. del_userNpc ct:0
1. del_userTemp ct:0
0. userNpc_update ct:0


Sorry.)
Help?

[Anonynous No.]

When I fail a quest due to me being dumb, my will and charisma goes down to literally 1. I don't understand????! PLEASE EXPLAIN??

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464798
If you die during a quest your will and charisma gets reduced. Die enough times during a quest and sure it could very well go down to literally 1.

[Anonynous No.]

>>18464809
That is actually painful news.. I never knew that, I always thought there was another reason for it going down that fast. I guess ill stop dashing through quests I cannot complete. Thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464780
Might be a problem with a sprite sheet or PCC you're using. See if you can run the game normally before adding any mods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464690
if you want to branch into weapon you are not a caster, and i'm perfectly fine with 90% cast rate while riding with my DW mutant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464536
>>18464733

Thanks so much, now im kicking myself for not taking the 3 or 4 equips that had a ton of "hurts" on it, better late than never though.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit that struck debris attack is so stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465347
You mean smash ground? It's ridiculous because it never misses and deals enormous damage in an area based on STR (which can even be buffed), it's like receiving a gauge attack every turn. I'm not sure armor even reduces it. The only way I have found to deal with it is to either stay out of range or kill them fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465387
it ignore armor, but should be reduced by anything that reduces phys damage.

that shit is a #1 reason for my pet's death, especially in arena.

[Anonymous No.]

My pet is constantly resisting a hex,even at my own home,any idea what might be causing that?

the horse like sound that always plays when your character is going hungry doesnt help

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465465
Give your pet food holy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465465
Did they somehow get drugs at some point? If a pet has a high character quality they might keep resisting the addiction debuff or something. Similar to whom dwells in vanity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465540
She keeps spaming "pet looks distracted" "pet resists hex"

just changed to 1.75 version,i will see if she got the stupid tobacco bug stuck in her

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465501
Unlike say NetHack, pets don't starve or undergo any change from not eating, ever. Something about being tied to the MC's life force. The sound only plays for the MC.

>>18465552
Distracted is from tobacco only, you need to wait this one out (-1 dependence per attempt to apply distracted debuff). Also since 1.74, enchant quality does NOT affect dependency anymore, but increase, maximum dependency, and effect of the debuffs were drastically reduced. Unless your pet smoked a warehouse full of tobacco you should be fine after a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465714
She is still killing everything on the screen,its the sound what annoys me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465789
Have at least one smoker in the party, and that dumb growling sound plays every time someone gets distracted. I play an addict for roleplay reasons so I got used to it, wait some time until tobacco dependency is 0% so your pets don't get the hex anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

Yet another great item.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm making a mutant tourist and no one can stop me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464780
Do >>18464827 and also ensure your executable is set to Windows 7 Compatibility mode (Try Win 8 too if Win7 doesn't work) and you are running as Admin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18464827
>>18466837
I reinstalled the game and it seems to be working now

[Anonymous No.]

>>18466831
So, an american on vacation?

[Anonymous No.]

In case anyone else needs,

E+ 1.75 critical damage multiplier formula

//target medium or heavy armor, 3x damage at weapon weight 180s + half of enemy equipment weight
dmgmulti = dmgmulti * (sqrt(limit((weapon weight*2) - enemy equipment weight, 1, 360000)) / 3 + 100) / 100
//target light armor, 3x damage at weapon weight 180s
dmgmulti = dmgmulti * (sqrt(limit((weapon weight*2), 1, 360000)) / 3 + 100) / 100
//martial arts use MA skill*400 for weapon weight part, 900 MA for 3x multiplier
damage = damage * dmgmulti / 100

[Anonymous No.]

How much water does this pet tier list hold up?

Meta Pet Tier List Karata Level: Karata

Tier 1: Amurdad, Wangnin, Enthumesis, Cucumber Warrior, Renai the Over Meshera, Fire Dragon (Vanesda Form), Ssil the Undead Witch, Neres the Amnesiac (?)

Tier 2: Pro-Jet, Gokiburi, Evolved Defender, Android, Red Eyes White Rabbit (Tier 0 with custom AI), Spirit of Bread, Murder Knight, Death Maneki, Chaos Shaman, Magna Fairy, Spiral King, Five head god, Nine Headed Dragon, Nightmare Sheep, Unitdead Queen

Utility Tier: Golden Knight, Goose, Cute Fairy, Snail thr Android Rider, Black Angel, Cross Moai, Getuei

[Anonymous No.]

>>18467346
3,9s (non heavy weapon) gets ~1,3x crits max
1,4s ( light weapon) gets ~1.18x crits max

[Anonymous No.]

>>18467368
Amurdad? useless
Summon chaos must be blocked for enthumesis
Ssil is pretty damn useless unless you need insanity status specifically. Damage is low.
iirc Murder knight doesnt have timestop now, at least with custom ai.
Nightmare sheep is useless unless you need insanity, space retention is more or less self-harming buff due to inability to teleport.
i dont see defender, most likely the most game-changing pet in this game. gunfish is better than cross moai for FaV spam.
By the time you can kill snail android, evolved harpy will be better, since shine snail's damage is fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18467368
Red Eyes White Rabbit is stupid good with cusotm AI since you can just chain timestops no?

[Anonymous No.]

How meta.

[Anonymous No.]

Played this game awhile back but sucked at it. Come back after researching stuff on the wiki. Wiki leads me to believe that mutant thief is the strongest thing in this game because shadow step insta crit bazillion attacks. Head to puppy caves but get fondled by a green cock gobbler and wake up with a condom in my ass in some dank cave called home. Do a level one dungeon but this time a giant squirel as a dungeon boss ends up tea bagging me and again I wake up with another condom in my ass. Look at pastebins and try to do hunting quests but end up being gang banged by wild life. Do one of those party time quests but get stoned to death. Charisma is now so bad that talking to people causes them to hate me and the merchants in Vernis won't allow me to buy from them. Play mutant they said. It's so powerful. Do dungeons they said. Do job board quests they said. Am I being trolled hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468281
Most of the "super powerful" shit that gets meta'd on the wiki is stuff that is super powerful once you've gotten to level 100+ and have basically nothing left except gods and void diving.

[Anonymous No.]

Isnt there a way to save the whole wiki? i already have like 150+ wiki articles of the elona wiki in my help folder in case i dont got internet and need to know what a item does/where to get it

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys sells those on NPCs or shop? Selling it on a weapon type shop would give me lower profits than npc'ing it?

[Anonymous No.]

Weapon pierce% is set in a completely different part of the code than all the other base stats for a weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468281
mutant is the hardest start ever and totally not recommended, see previous thread for more info.

Try easy combos, Yerles Gunner with machinegun, golem warrior, elea claymore, elea wizard. Go to Derphy and buy yerles gunners or elea wizard slaves to protect you, upgrade pet's equipment. if you have little girl, take her shield. Start with trading route to get some money, upgrade your cart, do delivery/escort quests, gather light junk in nearby fields, sometimes its used in job board quests. Party Time is easy if you get feat that gives fascinating dance. Its a 'safe' performance and public will not throw stones at you. try to keep 'gem' buff on while dancing, train it to last for more than 40 turns - duration of the dance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468875
all you need to test it is to note the price and sell one item.

[Anonymous No.]

Added pcc sprites but I still see the armor my characters are wearing... How do I hide it?

[Anonymous No.]

How can I see my progress in faith? When I pray to the god it just gives me a blessing or says it's indifferent I can't see the numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18469589
activate that teal nine god sign thingie that you get once you start worshiping a god

[Anonymous No.]

>>18469589
Nine god's sign. You will get one when converting. Or, if you lost it, find one in dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18469770
>>18469780
I see. Thanks, anons.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the point of incarnating an adventurer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18470825
roleplay/changing race or gameplay style/succeeding loss mode char/fixing your maniacal tendencies towards little sisters and other fuckups

[Anonymous No.]

>>18470825
You get some gold and platinum from your previous incarnation, as well as everything (with certain exceptions) that was in your precursor's inventory at the moment of making a gene. You slowly reclaim those items by reading deeds of heirship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18470977
>>18470981
Ah, alright. so no real benefit other than...just because. Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18471002
The real benefit is only in farming little sisters meat for mutant save, and its a very important feature for playing on loss mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18471031
ah, I didn't think about loss mode. Sounds like a cool way to play. Does the map reset when you do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18471077
Yeah its a completely new game every time after all, you only get items/half of mats/gold/plat inherited

Too bad pets are badly gimped when inherited with soul spindle.

[Anonymous No.]

take a single step after going down the stairs in a dungeon. SUDDENLY EXPLOSIONS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18471190
Now imagine.
You enter the uncertain reality territory that got materialized completely only once you moved in, and a pitiful lost little girl suffering from last stage of nefia syndrome got transferred there. Right next to a group of crazed yeek kamikaze lunatics.
And she died a horrible death.
And you are the sole reason for this.
You murderer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18467368
Why would anyone want a death maneki as a pet? Song of death affects EVERYONE. If you want multiple gather, you should get a dread rabbit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18471247
You can block it with either custom ai or ap, no?
List is weird, though. A lot of high level npcs that become rather useless at their level as pets.
And, dread rabbit got multiple gather? Wiki says it got touch of fear only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18471256
Yeah, I looked through the changelog for multiple gather, and apparently it does. 1.45 detailed changelog.

[Anonymous No.]

what "harden my weapon / armour" will give me in Elona+?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472126
+to hit and flat +1 damage / +1 PV per level

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472126
It is an easy way to add + enchantments to your weapon or armor, up to +10. Kind of made enchant wpn/armr scrolls obsolete since it was added. Each point of enchantment gives you +1hit/damage on weapons or +2PV/DV on armor. This adds up to a big increase for relatively little money, greatly increasing survivability especially early on with armor. If you are part of the Fighter's Guild, the cost of enchanting at the smith is halved, handy for when you don't have that much money yet.

>>18472148
It's +2 DV and PV on armor/level.

[Anonymous No.]

It is better equipment with high PV or with plenty of positive effects?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472148
>>18472162

Ok, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Lvl 9 Gunner.
What do you think about this DV/PV anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472238
Jack PV up to 100 and you'll be good for a while. Since unknown shell is a unique which you are guaranteed to be using for quite a while, I'd enchant that first. All the other gear is low quality, save oracle scrolls to trade with adventurers for better stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

Any benefit/downside for blessed/cursed seeds?

[Anonymous No.]

Heres my gear. I have 12 blessed change material scrolls, should I use them on anything here? Also is there a reason not to equip weapons in both hands? I dont seem to notice a difference in cast chance (im a wizard) unless im blind and mistaken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472357
It's not affecting wither/regrowth, so the only thing it could affect is what you're getting ( more rare herbs for blessed/less for cursed ), but no one actually knows.
There's lot of shit in Elona where bless/curse don't affect anything, and lot of shit it does.
Only source code diving could help us dirty peasants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472665
Ugh last time i've tried seeds part was a real mess, dont even want to try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472662
If you use the shotgun a lot, I'd use three scrolls to change it to adamantium. However this might put you in heavy weight class, killing your casting chance. Getting the claw to dragonscale would take 12 scrolls (11 unblessed 1 blessed if you'd like to conserve blessed scrolls) and greatly increase melee/ranged hit and damage. But I think the best choice right now would be to find a miracle quality armor with decent dice limits, like a ring mail or bulletproof jacket, use your scrolls to make it adamantium and then use a craft repair kit on it. That will give you a tremendous defense boost with not much weight compared to your current banded mail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472736

Yeah i use the shotgun a lot. Its the only thing I use on most random encounters but use Spells in dungeons to train them and to AoE enemies.

Its a living weapon if that makes any difference and the bonuses from "evolving" are insane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472791
better get magnum bullet as well when you can, heavy bullet = harder hitting crits

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472791
That does make a difference, living and godly items can't be changed with material changing scrolls. You'd need a material kit for that (something to do later - buy material kits @ souvenir vendor in Larna, take to Garok with saved up superior material scrolls and bronze coins, trade the bunch for material kit of choice such as adamantium)

[Anonymous No.]

Interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18472898
Bug. His speech is unfortunately shared by the black angels.

[Anonymous No.]

>Forget to pick unique item from floor as quest reward
>gotta use a backup save and lose the progress i made else i lost the item forever

i gotta stop being so fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473035
..and use elona extender's incremental backup feature

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473035
Do like the anon in the previous thread and wish for it with wizard mode and EloSnack.

[Anonymous No.]

A guy gave me a rod of wishing in exchange for a junk stone. If he wanted the stone so badly, why didn't he wish for it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473308
It's fucking cursed, it's probably some monkey paw bullshit.
He'd wish for a rock and he'd get crushed by a 10 ton boulder falling on him.
Better to unload it on some dumbass adventurer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468875
Selling things in your shop will never give less than selling directly to shopkeepers.

>>18472197
Depends on what's killing you and your play style. You need less PV and more resists if you don't fight in melee.

>>18472357
Probably affects if they will grow or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473332
That'd be pretty cool actually, I wish it worked like tthat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473308
I just traded for a one-of-a-kind rock shaped like Shena's ass to complete my prized collection of oddly shaped rocks, and all this stupid adventurer wanted in return was a paltry sum of gold and a stick! Bahahaha what a sucker.

[Anonymous No.]

How i can teach shadow step to my pet? i rather let the pet do the heavy lifting,everything is nuking me in one spell

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473501
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/AP

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473530
Alright thanks,now i gotta figure out how to make the custom AI works so it always triggers when the enemy is 2 tiles or more away

[Anonymous No.]

>got killed by a vagabond little girl
That was a good first run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468281
At the start of the game you should do the escort quests for easy money (Be sure you know where you're going).
The gardening quests are a ridiculously good way to gain stats early on too, the trick is to aim for crops near the edge of the map, as they're significantly larger on average and therefore give more stats and are easier to clear the quest with.

Also Mutant with a ton of arms isn't very strong or special outside of vanilla. You can get extra hands in Elona+.

[Anonymous No.]

My pet just killed me when i was at one HP

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473709
I haven't watched much of Bakemonogatari but I imagine it's a bit like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>Boss can break water tiles and pits
>I cant

yeah,keep running bitch

[Anonymous No.]

How do i recharge a rod of wish? just got one from main quest but its at 0 charges

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473308
Anon, can you teach me how to use that font type on my game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474000
You don't, they're one use only.
If it's at 0 charges either you zapped it, or you have the "you are a living mana battery" ether corruption and absorbed the charge out of it.

Either way, it's just a stick now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474000
you cant
>>18474008
you can set font in config.txt

[Anonymous No.]

>>18473979
I think Hozenka deals with that too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474441
Houzanha

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474476
Yup, I mixed it up with Chun Li move Hosenka for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474038
Could you also tell me which font is that, anon? Sorry for bothering you that much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474550
I'm not the one who posted screenshot, sorry.
It reminds me of Consolas font but thats another font, it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474572
Oh, alright. Thanks anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474577
Thats how Consolas looks. I wonder if its better to just use non-monospace font with elona instead.

[Anonymous No.]

I probably shouldn't be proud about what I did but considering I didn't even know what compiling code was until very recently I'm going to be anyway. I changed it so mutants can go up to 27 body slots from gavela and fairies can equip heavier things if their weight lifting is high enough. Strangely enough the code that unequips gear that's too heavy doesn't take in account buffs to weight lifting. I equipped gear that instantly just fell off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474736
Nice. The mutant thing I can dig, could be a cool perk, but the fairy one does seem to circumvent their limitations and essentially give them no downside (strong early, and can get rid of their late penalties eventually)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474736
I dont understand Gavela's part. It may be fine with fairies if you limit it at, say, 2s with 200+ weightlifting, then you could use medium armor and thats all fairies realistically need for endgame.

[Anonymous No.]

Do fairies resistances get lowered in dreams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474782
Naturally, mutations properly substract/increase resistances, it doesnt change the fact that their base res+ is high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474809
He means the "keh-la, keh-la" bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474782
Not removed, but their effective resistance can be lowered by mutations. Their natural resistances are due to a racial feat, instead of just being baseline like corpse-resists, so it'll always be adding them to the result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474736
Eh, if you're just upping the body slot for tons of hands you'll be sad to hear that next patch those kind of mutants are being nerfed hard due to the excessive amount of attacks in one turn nerf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474814
Oh. I've only heard about this. How does it work? Does it remove resists from pets as well?

>>18474864
Ano went full retard yet again. Why am i not surprised? He literally turned slow debuff into damage reduction for the enemy. And despite the shit he wrote in the blog game has ZERO enemies that abuse multi-hand. Cant he just say ''mutant scum, suffer, bichez' instead of this bullshit. Also, it will most likely turn team-wide burst ammo into a massive damage debuff.

Mana leak as well, since mana can be restored only with a limited number of expensive consumables unless you worship the element.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474917
You know you can still beat the game without an unholy abomination of hands right? Even the void was conquered by a vanilla human. Just make a mutant that doesn't only run hands. Maybe have it run slots for lots of armor and stuff that buffs damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474864
>>18474917
What are these changes exactly? I'm not using dw but I was planning on getting a ton of hands for claws/tonfas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474939
His point is that ano's work tends to remove viable options. Yeah, you CAN beat the game with vanilla body martiial arts, but why should that end up being the only option? MAgic is useless aside from meteor because of it's raw damage scaling combined with enemies' reisist scaling now. Ranged is useless due to a lack of damage modifiers to keep it competitive in the same way melee is. Dual wield is next on the chopping block- it's damage is already pretty pitiful due to a need to run light weapons with invokes, but now it's going to be completely gutted under the pretense of 4-handed enemies being somehow good.

The point isnt that you can beat the game without it, it's a question of why ano's still nerfing playstyles when, by act 3, you're already heavily limited as to what will work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474962
After a certain number of hits before a characters next turn, they'll take less damage from each hit till it eventually becomes zero. Also, you're better off not doing that many hands for claws/tonfas. Those will train MA, which becomes a lot better at higher levels if you go barehanded

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474964
But all of them are viable. Even magic and dual wield are still viable even if you don't go multi hand or have to face resists. People just don't level up their stuff enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474964
So to you a mode of attack that's not equal to the best is ''useless''? You should realize you can not only beat every act with every style, but get to the deep void and easily beat every inner god without needing care about the statistical differences between attack styles. No nerf so far has made any style useless. More likely than not you're nowhere close to the limit yourself, so how does this even affect you? You're just complaining for the sake of complaining while not even testing anything to prove if it's as bad as you make it out to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474747
Fair enough, but I'd like for things like that to eventually be overcome.
>>18474762
I wanted to be able to use two handed to its full effect. I thought heavy armor would be cool too. I used to have a gnome death knight when I played WoW.

As for the mutant thing it was because I didn't want to deal with the level 2 and below thing if i wanted a 27 limb mutant. I realized that I forgot to disable limb growth if they already had 27.
>>18474864
Yeah I know. I'm planning to give an ally the fetter of earth and tempest collar to act as a tank.

As for any hypothetical mutants I think 20 hands with +alchemy living weapons would make some amazing undead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475001
Excellent attack on me while ignoring any of the points of resists or small weapons for dual wield. Yes, magic is useless sans meteor if you are in the void. Enemies resists will scale much faster than the damage you do with other elemental spells, meteor is the only one that does the raw damage necessary to out-do the resists. Second, dual wield is okay right now with monstrous hands to make up for the lack of huge crits from the small weapons (you know, the reason why two-handed is good and martial arts is good, giant crits thanks to modifiers?) and if you stack invokes to do damage and status effects repeatedly. Knocking away the already small amount of damage possible with dual wield doesn't do anything good for the game. If your argument is why complain, then why should it even be removed? I don't see a good reason for it at all, and it does nothing but nerf a style that wasn't great to begin with. Furthermore, the claim of beating every act with every style is only true should you grind up enough. The acts have static levels to them, no shit if you grind to obscene levels you'll be able to out-do them. The point is that certain style don't scale well at all, and while certain attacks/pets can do well with normal amounts of training, others require much more effort to do the same. I guess I shouldn't have used 'useless', but yeah, they're pretty bad, especially post-game.
But I guess I'm done typing since your argument devolved pretty quick into "oh lol why are you talking you probably arent even far into the game praise lord ano for unneeded nerfs"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474998
>People just don't level up their stuff enough.
I get the point of this game is grinding, but it really is a shame that he's killing player ability to overcome what they're underlevelled for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474969
I'm using bows, so the hands are for damage bonus, the nerf definitely sounds like a huge nerf to timestop + burst ammo though, which I was using to "One shot" a lot of bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475051
Ohhh, gotcha. Yeah, it's going to put a hamper on any combos involving 'overpowering' enemies, especially people with well trained pet armies.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why people are upset. The nerf is against "Excessive" amounts of attacks in one turn. Damage isn't getting nerfed until you start doing 50 or more attacks before the enemies turn. Just how many hands are you fucked up mutants running with to start crying like this? I'm happy just doing 2 attacks but I hear most people just can get up to 8? What the hell mutants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475091
You're also ignoring timestop, Martial Arts getting up to 8 attacks in per hit at higher levels, burst ammo, pet armies, etc. Theres a lot of stuff that can cause the reduction when you get fast enough in comparison to your enemy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475103
Now you see even that I don't understand. If you're so fast compared to your enemy then whatever you're fighting is probably vastly weaker than you and will die long before your 50th attack. An enemy that is probably strong enough to even stand after a barrage of 50 or more attacks probably has near the same speed as you so it's not like you're going to get way too many turns over them to launch that crazy amount of attacks before it's their turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474577
Not him, but I think it might be meiyro UI or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475134
That's actually not true, as you're ignoring buffs/debuffs/tanky enemies. A great example are golems- on an equal standing, you're likely much faster than the hulking beast, but their gimmick is usually high levels of defense. This means that they'll take a lot of hits to kill, especially with small weapons, and that will only get harder. Furthermore, speed/slow buffs can get you above your opponent, in combination with any allies you might have, even if you aren't immediately more powerful damage wise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475134
As the bow guy, even though bows are only capped to 1 extra additional attack and sometimes get another hit in with proximity device, using burst ammo tends to get me around 20-25 shots per use, so hitting 50 attacks before the target gets a turn can definitely happen, especially with time stop bullets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475028
>certain style don't scale well at all, and while certain attacks/pets can do well with normal amounts of training, others require much more effort to do the same
You mean only in the extreme late game when nearing the stat cap, which only one player in recent memory has gotten to. It's a very good point to question how far you are, since only if you've had the opportunity to compare damage with different builds would you have any actual data to go by. Your commentary about scaling in the void is also questionable, denying the possibility of magic builds being able to hold up in the deep void is a big claim and you don't have anything to back it up. I'm not for nerfs who knows why the guy thought this particular set was necessary, but you should only be whining when there's something to actually whine about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475150
I'm sorry but I highly doubt if you've been leveling your skills or spells enough that you would need more than 50 attacks before the enemy's turn to kill them.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I unbind tab?

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>>18475215
No, not only in the extreme end game, but rather any point after act 2, where the Elona+ scaling starts to hit hard. This is the point where PV and resists start to massively increase, as Elona+ monsters go up to level 200. I'm not going to go make a test character and run in the void, because a) all you need to do is just look at the scaling of resists vs damage to get a sense of why they don't scale well, and b) my main argument is the time required for one to be good vs the other, not purely whether they're equal at level 2000 everything. Spell damage increases very slowly and linearly, while resists decrease damage very quickly and start out at a massive 50% cut, gong down slightly from there.
Furthermore, in comparison to Two-handed and martial arts, both of which provide hefty damage modifiers thanks to either Two-Hand + Tactics + Weapon skill + Heavy weapon=heavy crits or MArtial Arts + Tactics (where MA provides hidden bonuses along with Clear Mind and Attribute), other forms of damage dont have nearly as many multipliers, with Dual Wield failing in the crit department, ranged lacking a DW/TH alterative and magic scaling solely based on spell level and magic.
I'm sorry you can't do a basic readover of the wiki to understand how the scaling for these things work, or that your argumentative skills are so terrible you can't counter with anything other than "Nah, that's just not true".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474917
It says in the post that this >50 turns in one turn damage nerf is in order to make it so when the player character's speed is lowered drastically, such as when extremely tired/slowed, the player will not immediately die due to enemies being many times as fast as them. The risk of this can be observed if you accidentally hold down a special action button when stamina is too low, and your speed goes from several hundred to ~20, letting enemies take a huge amount of turns before your next one.

[Anonymous No.]

Hero cheese (3 life) or Happy apple? (20 luck)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475242
It's not in the config so probably not.

>>18475397
Hero cheese. You can farm Happy Apples later when you're all set up.

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>>18475319
If this is not limited to one character but applies to every turn >50 taken after the last turn the defending NPC took, then this should also make it so e.g. getting disabled and attacked by a room full of enemies should be less likely to result in instant death. The reduction also doesn't seem to apply to a number of player abilities such as volley.

[Anonymous No.]

How do machine gunners fare? whats their most important stat?

is special ammo really that good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474736
Is there anything in the code that you can see that's hard limiting the vertical resolution?

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>>18475600
Perception is the most important, followed by dex (Dex also gives some good abilities you might want).

From my experience, special ammo is REQUIRED to make a good ranged build, as special ammo boosts your damage significantly, especially with good gear.

Early on magic ammo is the most helpful because it never misses. Later on burst ammo is definitely the strongest, as it can destroy whole rooms of enemies and destroy bosses in 1 or 2 shots. Time stop ammo is handy but only becomes super strong with burst ammo, as during time stop you have 100% accuracy, making your burst shots do maximum damage and it lets you get away with using rampage for even more damage. Both are hard to get though. Rapid ammo is kinda meh early on but it gets a bit more useful later. Pierce and explosive aren't really that helpful in my experience but it's better than nothing at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475739
That's one crazy ass arrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475866
I found it pretty early on in my run and it was amazing, but a more "Optimal" arrow would probably be something like 8 burst ammo, 5 time stop and then 90 rapid ammo or something, not that I know for sure what the max amount of ammo you can get is for sure. The other ammos are nice but not as important in late game. Although for all I know maybe you can potentially get ammo that has max of every special ammo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475680
I wouldn't even know where to begin to look.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone who uses custom Exile graphics, share ur cuties with me? Been searching for an good sprite for her for a while now and nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

Can tagged partners heal each other with normal heals like with mounts, or do you need healing hand/rain for that ?

[Anonymous No.]

Okay but we're overlooking the real problem planned for the next update.
>Having to equip every single member of your party with fire resist equip for that early-game mid-boss dungeon might be too difficult and time-consuming for beginners, so the ambient fire damage for the Tower of Fire has been reduced.
COME ON

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476333
I'd say that's fine. It's pretty much the only dungeon in the game where such a thing is required, no other dungeon has a constant elemental damage modifier. It'd make more sense if you had to go through several elemental dungeons to get people to fill up their resists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476437
There's the volcano in Lost Irva too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476333
>too difficult and time-consuming for beginners
Why do I get the feeling some soy boy new generation adventurers couldn't take the heat? Mani forbid some villain builds a tower of fucking fire to keep out the entitled dumb fuck looters calling themselves adventurers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468281
You aren't putting faith in your companion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476553

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>>18475319
If you slowed down from hundreds to 20 you have only yourself to blame, really.
But what should i do if i planned to have a party with mutant+shiva'ed dw pets? I'll get total 50 attacks per turn by default even without maxed out hands, timestop will only reduce damage.
And i spent around 400 hours on this save if you count preparations before making a gene and i'm only in the beginning of making that kind of party actually work. Should i just scrap this save on next update or keep old version just for this now?

Ano is a retard not because he wants changes, its because he doesnt think through all the repercussions of those changes, or disregards them completely. I respect him for investing so much time in developing it and making it entertaining, but still want to say: fuck you, Ano.

>>18475600
>>18475739
Have to note that due to no pierce on ranged weapons, vs lv200+ enemies piercing ammo gives the most raw damage, and you usually have a lot of charges of it on ammo. Rapid should be good with something like Railgun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18475010
I still think that its a bit of overkill. Two Hand doesnt benefit this much from heavy weapon (mere 10 levels of skill), and it essentially removes the only quirk of fairy race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474550
It's Meiryo UI.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I make money? I'm selling shit I find on the ground for 1gp each

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477037
If you don't identify it first then it won't make money. If you don't have money for identifying in the first place then do some quests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477037
If you're still very early into the game, grab few scrolls, books and rods from puppy cave, get them identified and sell. Also grab bones, skins and blood if you find any. Your character will recognise those types from now on and you will be able to sell them for more even without identifying.

[Anonymous No.]

The price of land in Irva must be pretty low, right? I get that the deeds for museums and shops not only are for the building itself but probably include a permit, but you can claim a town-sized area for just 6k with a storage house. Millionaries must be able to buy huge swathes of undeveloped land, maybe entire continents. Is this part of yet another Palmian scheme/conspiracy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477037
If you don't have the Negotiation skill, you're not going to make any money selling anything. Also, you'd really want to look into getting the Sense Quality skill as well just to make identifying things more easy on yourself in the long run (though, it's really cheap to just get that one merchant to identify all of your crap anyway).

If you really want to make a lot of money though, get a store, a pet with good charisma and good Negotiation, and also get a museum. Be sure to murder everyone with <> around their name, as they're guaranteed to drop cards and statues for your museum. Also, place rare or valuable items in your house to increase its value and increase the amount you make every paycheck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476553
>Mani forbid
>Mani
May Yacatect have mercy on your soul.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477262
Mercy is not free, but I heard there's a discount for first-time worshippers until the end of this month. Only an idiot would miss out on a deal like this.

[Anonymous No.]

I got a question about the limit gauge. Why does it only sometimes activate it? I used the skill and shot 4 arrows before it finally activated (all the shots hit too). Does it only have a chance of actually working or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477290
The enemy must survive the attack. This works whether it tanked the hit, or dodged it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477390
The initial normal hit, I mean. The gauge attack itself can kill it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477395
Ahh alright. I figured that was the case, but thought I'd ask to make sure.

[Anonymous No.]

What does hurt technique do?

[Anonymous No.]

Starting out as a mage is so fucking cancerous

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477597
Why? You can get a shitton of books/rods in puppy cave

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477624
I have no mana and get oneshotted by some faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477670
Rely on your partner more, rest properly before entering the floor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477451
Disregard text
Green = Good
Red = Bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>18477878
>Green = Good
>Red = Bad
Quite the opposite on 4chan, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

Could he have spawned with cursed equipment? there is nobody hostile on my home

[Anonymous No.]

What happeans if you duplicate yacatech platinum coin generator sphere? can you use the several ones per month?

[Anonymous No.]

Do i win or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478069
If you kill him before ragnarok triggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478069
It's been bugged like this for a while now. Target yourself with * for some giggles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478014
Even through it have 72 hour cooldown, coins are produced once per month. So no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476914
Well it's not like your damage past 50 is zero it's just reduced. If you're needing to take over 200 attacks to kill something causing your log to shit all over the bed you need to grind to become stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476914
There’s a reason I always keep my old versions of Elona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478225
Have you ever tried to kill capped out bosses with DW? You'd be surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

Now which cat familiar to get, i wonder. Evolve common cat or go for Ehekatl.

[Anonymous No.]

How are blunt weapons in this game? can you go with a shield or use 2 blunt weapons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478607
mediocre. 2 blunt is silly since their weight is pretty big. equipping shield will remove two hand bonus to hit and damage, tho you'll get noticably tankier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478571
Why not both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478618
So the most efficient is just a single blunt weapon? got it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478637
Roleplay, duh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18476927
I was thinking more about the critical damage thing...wait why am I trying to argue this? I don't plan to release it to people or play as a fairy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478670
>I don't plan to release it to people

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478746
Wait. Are you interested? I was just doing this so complaining about things I don't like in game is no longer my only option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478775
On the serious note, its simply a pain to update it with every new version so I dont really want a mod of a mod of a mod.
If Ano ever drops the development, maybe we should just make community mod of +/custom with fixes to all the shit he did wrong/that doesn't scale at all.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best place to buy a house at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478794
palmia embassy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478794
Palmia, at least that's what Kai said, I just replace the cave at Vernis with a palace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478794
Port Kapul(if you use pet arena, it also got every trader type you may need) or Palmia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478794
Buying the deed or placing the home?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478793
Don't want to be a downer but if that happens, chances of the community continuation lasting I reckon are extremely slim. It's a small miracle we have what we got now. Every single other fork (and there were many) has died out years ago, because nobody has the time or dedication to maintain and update something like this indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.]

So, i think that no one ever actually focused on 'T'hrowing, right ? As a serious build ?
Because that's what i'll do.
I have no idea about the damage formula, but it seems that throwing a broken sword at 1 stone does two times more damage than throwing a dead fish at like 0.1 stone, so it must be logarithmic as fuck so fuck encumbering myself until i have a bajilion weight lifting/strength.

I'll probably make one ranch of cloud beast before finishing act 1 to have a lot of big shits to throw at inner gods in time. Because the idea is funny.
I'll also level up meteor because i'm roleplaying it as my character throwing mountains at her enemies and no one can stop me from having a way out of this mess.

I'm open to suggestion though. What would be good to throw ?
And before you say it, no magistus/violent sword, would be too easy and not funny as throwing random crap ( or literal crap ).
Preferably, something that you can reliably enough farm, that can stack, and that is funny.
Throwing dead fishes for example is not only funny, but you can make them at will with the "make crap" fusion pot recipy.

[Anonymous No.]

Placing the home

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478893
At that damage you're getting too much rounding to really tell what the weight scaling is like.
Anyway, I've heard the throwing meta is either stones with the staff enchantment that buffs stones or Nightmare (the 100% pierce throwing weapon). Just so you know what to look for later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478794
Lumiest is you are a wizard, for the spell writer. Also, there's two magic vendors in that city, one in town one in guild. Also an altar.
Palmia, for all the vendors, all the town quests, the embassy, an altar...
Noyel for an easy and quick access to snow and so rain, also to easily do some training through the machine or skill books is the fancy takes you.

Special mention for the divine library in Lost irva, for having a quick access to sophia, also to make sure you never forget to actually talk to the lass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478908
No, i can only wear an artifact fused aurora ring and nothing else.
The ring is the core of my slimegirl, but she can't wear anything.
My shoot slot, like all the others, will always be empty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478940
Oh that.
Breed something like indigo lobsters for 100 s shits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478854
Nah, just a fix list rather than continuation. I'd like to fix some elements/spacts myself but maintaining it is a pain.
>>18478893
Its annoying to pick up thrown items every time. I'd recommend throwing crafted furniture or infamous bathtubes, though. Convert material to something heavy and make them fire/acidproof.
>>18478928
You can get to Lumiest quite fast by escaping after returning to the void.

[Anonymous No.]

So i've decided to train randomly picked up Little Girl into witch someday. She'll probably just stay lazy at home or attract various male middle-aged persons in my shop most of the time.

Familiars are important and are not to be made out of stray cats, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478893
Moongates. Ok a more serious option. You could wish for a present, it deals chaos damage based on your throwing skill. No idea if it's enough.
My plan was a golem with a pet ent riding them. I would throw trees and use hyper dash to get my trees again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18478987
>maintaining it is a pain
My thoughts exactly. We are approximately one autistic dog away from ded game. Even the amazing guys maintaining custom are not in the business of producing new content. It takes something special to keep a fork alive for a decade, somebody approaching Toady or Thomas Biskup level, or a whole team like with NetHack, and I'm doubtful we're it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479037
Well thats why its only worth the effort to release one-two community fixes/expansions once Ano drops Plus.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to easily see party members' hp/mana/hunger etc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479134
Stethoscope

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479156
Lucky me. I found one on the ground

[Anonymous No.]

Anything i might be doing wrong? pet wont attack,left its her AI and right her inventory

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479296
Custom pet AI enforces a max range of 5. They wont shoot anything past that. Is that the only AI routine you have for her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479296
distance > 5 move forward (keep target)
distance <= 5 attack(ranged) (keep target)
distance >1 move forward (keep target)
pet will move to firing range, if target is around the corner, pet will get closer when cant fire target

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479352
>Custom pet AI enforces a max range of 5.
Actually I think that's hardcoded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479352
>>18479375
Let me see if that does the trick

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479404
Hardcoded for normal AI, but Anna chose to keep it embedded in custom AI (she didn't have to) to keep it balanced. You have to remember Custom AI completely shuts off default routines, what's hardcoded is up to the Custom AI script at that point

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479375
Nope,maybe she needs another hand to wield the machine gun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479463
ah. you need to use relevant ammo for ranged weapon. thrown requires empty ammo slot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479474
no no,its a machine gun,she got the cross on shoot (for stats) and powercell on ammo

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479502
NEVERMIND >>18479375 this worked!

i didnt knew how firearms worked at all,now she is tearing shit up

Why cant they just unify arrows/bolts/bullets/cells? dont they accomplish the same purpose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479524
Different stats, especially for firearm ammo.

[Anonymous No.]

Can pets use special armor/rocket launchers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18479754
you can trigger special ammo for pets with command flag, other than that they can only use wands

[Anonymous No.]

Testing DFO pet sprites converted to elona

[Anonymous No.]

Goddamn, I can't even identify the fucking fake bar of gold.

I want to play this game so bad but can't get past the tutorial. He gives me no scrolls, god fucking damn it

[Anonymous No.]

The Material Info spreadsheet was missing a few things, so I made and edited a copy if anyone cares.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rAsL9hDsCUaPl8a-y7f4tsNDZLwf5O4BHL1OLCxRGRs/
I added a couple ammo types, sniper rifles, and a column for Pierce%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480217
Doesn't he put 'em on the ground?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480314

I pressed X countless fucking times.
Unninstalled, gonna play League

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480219
This is going to come in handy, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody else think kurimori passive is the most overpowered out of all the gods? 1SP recover per turn is no joke if you are the person who spams actions or whore the shopkeepers

or play instruments

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know if crafting spears and lightsabers was removed? I'm at level 80 carpentry and I still don't see the options.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480388
You can't directly craft weapons or armor anymore, only duplicate equipment with stardust and materium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480388
Crafting was revamped in 1.71.
You now make new items using the Pot for Fusion. Costs stardust and one of whatever kind of weapon you want to make, along with some other components, and makes 3 Miracle or better items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480397
Darn. Thanks.
>>18480406
That sounds interesting, is this new way a viable for grinding living weapons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480418
I haven't really tried for living weapons myself.
It seems that mass producing is much harder, but the results of crafting are much better. Wait for a Lucky Day to be sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480418
I got two living weapons with this method in two consective days. Make sure you have enough stardusts and the daily rare item flag is active.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480384
Mani has a flat +20% damage increase, Opatos a flat 10% damage reduction, Jure a powerful percentage-based heal that only costs stamina which also buffs and even restores the stamina it cost with regen (not a passive but it's what you get), Lulwy a large amount of free speed...they're all quite strong. Ehekatl, Itzpalt and Yacatect's abilities seem situational. Kumiromi definitely has the most utility out of combat, as befits the farmer god.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you get fame level for your pets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480448
I always forget to use active items like lulwy green orb or self buffs,meanwhile passives are active 24/7

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480448
does 20% apply to magic/spacts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463406

Hey guys, I dont understand how im supposed to "improve" in the game anymore. Im level 29 and my stats are pretty mediocre (30-40 in everything, 50 in perception and magic), I have around 300000 gold from cargo trips and ranchs and have a museum and shop as well.

However I went back to the video I discovered Elona+ from (Sseth) and found that at level 29 his stats were in the 70's and his hp and mp double mine.

How on earth did he do it? What am I doing wrong and how do I increase my stats properly like that? I tried the inferior scroll method but I only get 1 or 2 scrolls per dungeon dive through crafting so I dont know how im supposed to get enough to gorge on raw equipment.

Can anyone help me out or point me to an actual proper guide on leveling stats easily?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480641
Herb in food and investment in magic vendors to get potions of potential(bless before use).
but its really pointless to look at your level. Unlike in many other games with char levels, level doesnt have much meaning here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480641
Level= How much shit you went through - Least important
Stats= How tough you are - Important
Skills= How good you are - Most important

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480641
1. Invest in magic stores (Preferably in your own home)
2. Buy potions of potential
3. Bless the potions of potential with blessed water (Preferably in larger stacks)
4. Keep all your stat potentials high by drinking the potions

If you like to try and train a lot of things you will end up leveling a lot faster than someone who is focusing entirely on one thing without the same sort of stat gains.

Don't bother going out of your way for raw equipment, you can craft food items in Elona+ that give you the stat training bonuses and it's only helpful if you plan on doing some super hard power grinding.

[Anonymous No.]

Boop,more a guilty pleasure of mine to have a HEAVY MACHINE GUN pet

[Anonymous No.]

Should gunners wear anything on their hands? shields? weapons with effects to help the shooting damage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480812
Couple claws or a claw and shield are fine. If you don't have any good ones, anything with resists or desirable enchantments works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480826
Could dual shields work? assuming they got neat resistances or enchantments,or blunt weapons with critical hits,etc,etc?

[Anonymous No.]

Who draws the OP pics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480835
The big benefit from a shield is granted with the first one and doesn't stack.
Just get a different stat stick for the main hand.

[Anonymous No.]

Why this item exists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480883
It's for Lulwy because she's all into that S&M stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480883
It's worn by the god-boss of act 3 to cripple them. Otherwise they'd curb stomp most people who got that far. Even so, they keep their speed, HP/MP, and skills. There are also some story reasons too.

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>>18480840
One anon who will remain anonymous, like everyone else. It's less drawing and more smashing parts together. They're made up of phrases and images posted in here, and whatever else is on hand at the time. The ''tradition'' started when there hadn't been a new thread for a short while and I filled in with fresh prince of Irva. It's a good exercise for image editing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18480812
Tonfas and claws give their damage/hitbonus to ranged attacks. It doesn't seem like much, but it's very significant because that damage bonus gets multiplied by your skills.

Just for a quick test, I equipped a junky bow and shot at a sand bagged enemy without any equipment in the hands slot and it averaged around 1k to 1.1k damage.After equipping 3 tonfas for a damage bonus of 70, I was shooting for around 2.3k damage. This damage difference gets smaller when you have a better bow since it's added damage, not a multiplier, but when you're using burst or rapid ammo/shooting mechanism/extra ranged attack it adds a huge amount of damage.

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>>18480883
Combine that with curse for switching gods and you're set for a wicked training session.

[Anonymous No.]

Today is the day I show that Kobold! I upgraded my longsword to +2!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18481204
>You scream.

[Anonymous No.]

I have read the necromancy guide,it is really as complex as it sounds? i am used to just smash things in melee

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or does the custom AI seem to have a lot of difficulty casting healing rain? It seems like 90% of the time they won't understand instructions and skip their turn, but then somehow for no reason sometimes they'll just cast the spell in the same conditions. I'm just testing with simple things like casting healing rain if distance equals 1 and it still doesn't seem to work properly.

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>>18481576
It's pretty simple. You don't need corpses, but you do need skin or bones from that monster as well as magic crystals (which you can get from mining or from the occasional jar). Coffins are pretty hard to come by too I think, but you get at least seven from the Pyramid and you could probably steal them from Palmia and wait for the map to reset after a while, so it's not too hard.

Really, the hardest part is grinding the skills to be able to make good zombies, but that's more of a time investment than anything else.

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>>18481666
Healing rain works just fine with custom AI. Just make sure allies are in range, the caster has enough MP, and cast healing rain on self, to avoid targeting issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18463406
Alice plays this game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAElbJmvO9Y&app=desktop

[Anonymous No.]

>>18481968
Actually, I've been trying to do anything with my Black Seraph pet and it seems to constantly get confused for no reason. I'm just trying out Heal Light and it only seems to cast it maybe 1-5% of the time and otherwise it gets confused. Am I doing something stupid? This sort of AI seems to work fine with my other pets.

If I change the 1 distance line to melee attack then it works fine (All the AI does then is run at enemies and melee), but I can't get this Seraph to try casting any sort of spell or ability reliably. Even attacking abilities like continuous attacks don't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18482172
They've only learned the spell to 3% so it should fail most of the time. As well you should be using heal light on self, not on target.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18482217
Should I be getting the "Doesn't know how to respond" message" when pets are learning spells/abilities? Also I seem to get the same results whether I preserve the target or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18482127
Arisu likes feeding Marisa her vomit

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit finally beated the fucking jammer boss on cradle of chaos lv10,that was such an annoying fight

[Anonymous No.]

>Equipment got resistance to mind
>status screen says i dont have any

uh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18482369
Nevermind,i had to re-equip after applying the artifact effect

[Anonymous No.]

>>18482231
Ok, so I figured it out, so when an AI is learning an ability, it only has a chance of casting it, which is what I knew already. However instead of that failure chance being the AI trying to cast the spell and failing, a failure to cast the spell/ability actually just skips the line involving the spell/ability entirely as if it wasn't there. This means that if the AI fails to cast the spell/ability due to learning it and there's no fail safe line below it, then it'll end up getting confused and skipping a turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18482523
Does this mean setting up multiple lines all telling the pet to cast the spell/ability will result in faster learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18483263
Yes. It's extremely noticeable and leads to them using the spell/ability they're learning much faster.

[Anonymous No.]

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells_(Elona%2B)/Technical

Can anyone explain relationship between medium/heavy armor skill and fail chance? I.e. for " If you're wearing Heavy Armor, the value is 17 - HeavyArmorSkill/5", does it mean that i wont get any penalty if my heavy armor is lv17*5(85)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484400
Keep reading.

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>>18484418
>Assuming i didn't read it fully.
'This value is then set to 4 if it was lowered by the previous calculations. ' does it mean penalty for armor is capped at 4 or penalty for armor is nullified with high enough skill? I don`t understand why you cant just put friggin formula there and write a wall of text instead.

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>>18484437
CastMod is bad. It increases the difficulty of a spellcast by lowering CastRate. The lowest it can go is 4. Medium and Heavy armors require skill to not be worse than 4.
Now, if you read beyond that point:
>Should you be wearing heavy armor, CastRate is capped at 80. If wearing medium armor, CastRate is capped at 92. Otherwise, CastRate is capped at 100.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484448
Ah so it can go even below the cap if armor skill is not high enough. Why is medium armor required for magic equip, again? Makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484462
Probably to introduce at least a slight decision to be made instead of making it a no-brainer.
Do you take Medium Armor and Warmage for better spells at a slight chance of whiffing it? Or do you stay with the safe option?
Emergency Evasion is also nice for keeping squishy PCs from getting blown up.

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>>18484469
Yeah but what about wizard? pure mage class spends a) almost as much mana as warmage due to failed casts b) gets very unreliable if you want higher spell power.
If anything, it makes picking warmage a no-brainer here.

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>>18484488
Well yeah, but if you are using the “safe” route of Light Armor then Warmage is pretty much useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484497
Not really, wizard only saves 6% mana and trades it for noticeable failure chance. Utterly useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484541
>trades it for noticeable failure chance
If you're going the wizard route then you will have 100% cast rates on everything that isn't Wish, without Warmage.

[Anonymous No.]

Does my vomit heal my girl when they drink it? I’m a newb so ...

[Anonymous No.]

This game is the coziest game I've ever played. I also really love that you have to grind a shit ton if you want to progress

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484689
Yeah, i don't understand why there's no more game like that.
I mean sure, it's one of the nichiest niche game ever, but most others genres have more than one game.

I hate loving one-of-a-kind games.

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm at the jure festival to try and get a body pillow, but I can't seem to get one from the part timer. I already followed Jure before coming here. Do I just miss out on the pillow because of that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484934
Yes. You gotta mooch off yacatect first and then get into true goddess embrace

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484823
Soon.
More like this year if I don't drop it/have to wageslave two jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484959
damn. Ah well. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how spellpower for rods calculated?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it intended so that I can just buy the op gear of other adventurers for a shitty scroll?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484823
people have figured out that if you're going to make a game with massive grinding, it needs to be MMO if you want the shekels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485058
sure. They're not that OP in the long run.

>>18485014
mostly Magic Device with a small bonus from Magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484981
If you're fast you can go to the truce grounds and come back after switching gods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485067
Well obviously. I'm curious about numbers, how much weaker it is vs spells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484689
>>18484823
>This game is the coziest game I've ever played.
Same,.I never would have known I'd have this much fun putting 500 hours into a trash salesman character.

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>>18485090
i believe it's the same formula as spells, but it's actually better than spells since 1. there's no individual spell grind and 2. there's an ability that lets you cast twice per turn.

You pay for the added power and spell variety with lack of buffs and debuffs. as a mage you still need both.

[Anonymous No.]

What do I wish for? I'm level 10

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485090
>>18485152
I guess the only option is to look at the code, as usual.
md= magic device
For potions, power is MD*5
dupli reduces power by 7/10
snippet of the code:
efp = efp * (100 + MD* 20 + MAG/ 2 + PER/ 2) / 220
if ( cdata(98, cc) != 0 ) {
efp = efp * (100 + limit(cdata(98, cc) * 2 / 3, 0, 1000) / 10) / 100
}


i THINK that cdata(98) is +enhances your spells

>>18485296
seven league boots or a god if wishing in town

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485296
Seven League Boots or one of shift cores, look up the wiki for which one you'd want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485345
efp is used instead of spellpower for MD, btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485377
>>18485345
initial efp depends on item, for lightning bolt rod its efp = 100, for example
Resulting in ~19k efp for capped out stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485434
Thus, unless i'm missing something important, MD skill is roughly equal to spell level for player. Which is kind of insane since, unlike spell level, you can boost it with equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485514
sounds about right. MD-mutant is a viable alternative to the melee versions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485518
Well at least its on-par with traditional spellcaster. Too bad there is no meteor wand he he.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485761
Meteor is so absurdly OP you don't need a high spell level to kill everything in one shot anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I build a younger sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486007
read her diary to summon her (wrath)

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, i need cool house examples to must enough inspiration to design something for mine.

Can you guys post yours or link me something of the genre? Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486146
>not living in a mud hole
You surface people disgust me with your fancy "buildings" and "basic sanitation", pft !

[Anonymous No.]

the cryptocurrency kind, I presume

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486185
Selling your house and putting everything into buttcoin seems like a smart decision, good for her.

[Anonymous No.]

Guide to make pic related stop dying to one magic spell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486240
a) get hero cheese, she starts with 1 life
b) get her resists
c) rubynus gear

[Anonymous No.]

so this is probably more of a /g/ question, but what's the difference between MCI or direct sound in the settings? I /feel/ like MCI is a bit clearer, but that could just be a placebo effect I'm giving myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486249
I think a better question is what monsters are the best to send to the ranch to get all the resists? The wiki has somewhat of a list but it doesn't have every monster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486289
Resists from monster corpses only goto normal (##). You're going to need gear for anywhere close to necessary resists. I think you'll also need to gene engineer bodyparts onto her

[Anonymous No.]

Just a reminder for aspiring cooks- invest in either a 4-dimension spell or mirror. Food put in and taken out will have their rotten-ness reset back to fully fresh

[Anonymous No.]

Does the slave trader have a specific stock of slaves that refreshes once in a while or can you reroll through all the available slaves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486441
random roll(within level range) , infinite

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to remove or disable rogue wizard's fire bolt? I she can friendly fire your other pets

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486537
Give her control magic instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486146
https://track5.mixtape.moe/pnnyvy.png

>>18486255
Are you using the original MIDI soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.]

Shiieeeeeeet

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486662
Yes. I didn't know you could change soundtracks.

[Anonymous No.]

>Want to join the thieves guild
>4 months pass, I'm a criminal
>"Alright, that's the 4 months. Now I'll pay my taxes before I forget and join"
>Go to the embassy and build walls all the way to the box so guards can't get me
>"Ha. I'm so smart"
>Go to join the guild.....I paid my taxes so now I have to wait 4 months again while having -karma right now.

FUCK I should've known it wouldn't be its own trigger.

[Anonymous No.]

Sunrise the Archipelago Dragon spammed Smash Ground to singlehandedly kill my entire party as I ran away screaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486939
Hope you like that, because it's going to happen again.

And again.

And.

Again

.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487019
>>18486939
>getting in melee range of anything

you asked for it,didnt someone posted a farm full of those things?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486897
Karma isn't so hard to get, just stand at puppy caves entrance and wait for idiots to trip down the stairs and bury them for free karma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487131
Not sure if joking
its elona, after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486939
I think this applies to elona,late game i mean

[Anonymous No.]

Do fire dragon childs equip anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487480
THEIR BARE HANDS TO TEAR THINGS APART

[Anonymous No.]

>>18486146
>>18486662
>shares my old link
Surprised someone kept that, but here's a more up-to-date version, if you're interested.

https://my.mixtape.moe/xnkpcg.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487116
I never got into melee range and didn't die, but my pets did. I'm currently training them in the void and going to collect shields/tonfa so each has flat physical damage reduction (''It reduces physical damage #####'') which apparently is the only thing that helps against Smash Ground. ~50 extra levels will help for an HP/MP buffer. Leveling some new living weapons too. Next time I see that thing it won't even be able to think about smashing before it dies

[Anonymous No.]

why the AP system benefits more characters with low speed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487714
read wiki. basically, they gain ap from monsters with speed similar to their starting speed

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487725
Exactly,that annoys me,why not on level difference or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487739
Because only speed truly matters in this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487739
AP is chiefly used to increase speed, and INI is the character's stats tallied together of which speed is the most influential as you're taking multiple turns to another character's one. So it makes sense that low speed low stats characters get AP easier. If you're that quickling just beef up and start doing the void, you'll get AP no problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487739
Because level means almost nothing in terms of power.

[Anonymous No.]

Bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487978
No barrier? You should teleport away when you're being squeezed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488019
Nope,havent even gotten 100 AP yet,only bells give me AP

I will be able yo buy the void license soon,hopefully i get stronger

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488028
oh the suffering of quickling 'cheaters', a real pleasure to see every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18484823
Elona is really an amazing game with a lot of really great ideas. I've always dreamed of an Elona-like game except probably in real time and with Diablo style multiplayer. Just imagine stuff like being able to visit other player's shops or playing with your friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>Python character.bmp slicer >https://ufile.io/po07u
>The free hosting period for this file has now expired, only premium users can download it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488074
real-time elona, eww.

The best part of turn-based is ability to play whenever you have free time, be it 10 seconds or 10 hours. You can`t really play realtime game while paying half attention to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488059
Wouldn't dragon be the strongest debug race? 220 starting life is no joke

[Anonymous No.]

Does blessing give you a one time stats up or does it increase all future enchantment bonuses?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488089
Well, I'd prefer turn based as well but I don't think the turn based speed system would work very well in multiplayer. Plus I'd rather the game be its own game but with ideas from Elona in regards to mechanics, not just a complete copy with the same gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487978
Must have left you pretty God-smacked.
Getting double teamed by bitch-niggas like that is pretty shitty. How about using mana-burst or equipping Shield of Thorn for clingy enemies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488109
starting life hinders ap as well, btw

>>18488134
There are many options how to build multiplayer speed, starting from simple queue system from card games, initiative and many others. DESU i dont think straight multiplayer is the way to go for this either way, unless you want mmo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487533
That picture has a "where's Waldo" quality that I enjoy. Keep it up.
Did you make up for the 500 hours you lost?

>>18487714
Because low speed is much more crippling than low any other stat, specially for the player.

>>18487739
Because otherwise people would still be wearing it disturbs your growth equipment and drinking unblessed descent potions, and that's retarded.

>>18488087
I'll reupload it later.

>>18488112
One time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488223
The game would get really tedious if you had to wait for all players to make their turn though. Elona may be turn based but because the only turn you have to wait for is yours it can feel real time almost. For example just think about running from one side of town to the other. In single player it's basically real time, but if you had just one other player moving around town it'd become significantly more tedious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488285
Yeah thats why full realtime would be just like any other mmo shit with skills and reaction time-based attacks/target management, and everyone will end up with some meteor/violent garden equivalent that requires no brain/body motorics to use. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

Do i need 15 coffins for 15 spooks or one generates infinite spooks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488399
I really don't get your point. Isn't that Elona already even in turnbased gameplay. A game based off Elona could be balanced differently and I'm not saying it should be like WoW or something, I was suggesting Diablo style multiplayer, where the intent is to play in single player but you can join parties so you can play with a few people at a time, not an MMO sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488400
One coffin = one spook, but it's not like they're single use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488465
So if i want 15 super spooks (bloody dragon),i need 15 high level body parts,correct?

how do i lounge 15 coffins around?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488566
learn 4-dimensional pocket

[Anonymous No.]

Bows, Crossbows or Firearms?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488617
thrown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488643
If I wanted to be that close I'd just melee them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488617
HEAVY MACHINE GUNS

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488655
no actually thrown is better at any range thanks to staff bonus. Vanilla rock deals weirdly high damagem and there is also a cheap over long throw spact to boost damage even further.
As for the inferior types, early game machinegun > endgame ballista

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488566
carry a DD key

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488617
I started with fire arms, but your choice of ranged weapon may change depending on what equipment you pick up. I switched to bow after finding an amazing arrow and a living bow with proximity assist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488617
My first character was a gunner. Then for a couple years I used to be a bow man. But now, ever since ballistae were added with their HUGE dice and HUGE pierce, I'm a crossbow guy. Stick a normal bow on a pet though, and their gauge attacks will eviscerate a 9x9 column of enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488676
>>18488655
you can also use it to throw various stuff and trismagistuses if you are into crafting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488695
I forgot about the new gauge moves. Those are per ammo type, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488695
Meant 3x3*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488729
Yeah. Arrow gets aoe, bolt gets single target high damage hit, bullet single target, energy cell a beam that hits enemies across the screen in a line. I don't actually know what magnum gets, never tried it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487533
Holy shit anon. You're a fucking god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18487533
So how many mysterious diaries have you burned through?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, which body parts should i add to my <Isca The fallen angel>? And, which weapon type should i use on her? Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488833
Mine only got an added back and head slot to put her on par with a normal human's slots, and used a laser gun. But do whatever. People keep asking ''what should I do with [creature]'' when the answer is always whatever you please. If choosing something unconventional like making a non-spellcaster a mage or a creature with melee AI into ranged you have to do some fiddling with AP at Leold, or use custom AI. I prefer not using the latter.

[Anonymous No.]

Found this bow on some adventurer. It looked shiny, so I threw a glove at his face so I could take it. He retired afterwards, which I didn't even know NPC adventurers could do.

Is this a good bow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488953
That's a unique, but I've never even seen that one. It has excellent damage dice, some resists and a nice invoke+stamina drain(!). I like breath invokes because of the trash clearing range, damage scales with weapon skill and might even be buffed by ''It enhances your breath #''. Damage is more than likely lower than a leveled living skull bow but it looks really good nonetheless. Would use/put on a pet and maybe see if it has enchant space for artifact fusion later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488953
It's pretty good, the only bad parts are the -44 hit chance (pretty brutal) and only 1 die (+44 makes up for that alot tho).

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the version of this that was made into an Elona sprite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488745
magnum: Inverts the target for 2 turns if the target is not already Inverted.
bullet: lowers PV (this is 75% as effective as Pulverization).
energy cell: line attack. Blinds target for 2 turns if target is not already blinded for more than 2 turns. Colour of the visual effect depends on the element that the user has the most resistance against.
bolt: Paralyzes target for 2 turns if target is not already Paralyzed for more than 2 turns. Also has a chance to decapitate.
arrows: 3x3 tile area-of-effect attack. Applies 2 turns of Wince if target is not already Wincing.

The magnum one could be useful for melee characters. Use time stop ammo with the gauge attack for 75% extra damage for a few hits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489533

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489537
Thanks a lot man

[Anonymous No.]

>>18488242
Haven't played for a while, but only barely manged to catch up with my old self. It seems to balance out, though, I'd say it still has me beat by a very slight margin(in terms of pure melee growth and time, perhaps). Other than that, pretty much everything has returned as it should be.
>>18488756
No, I don't want Kai slaying me.
>>18488799
About 279, since some of are paste doubles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489550
The fuck

What god feats are worth keeping even when you change gods? ehekatl comes to mind,i think opatos damage reduction stops working if you betray him

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Can you change your sex, name and appearance later in the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489724
Sex with a rare food

Appearance press c then p

to hide armor,cloaks,etc,use the mirror in palmia,located in the room beside the king

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a good site to download sprites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489746
Elona uploader if you have time(200+pages),or the pastebin

http://www.elonaup.x0.com/sozai/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489550
>2700 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489635
Yeah, I believe they all stop once you turn apostate.
The "Quality Stuff generated around you" from Ehekatl is pretty good(it's probably how I found most my diaries), since there is noticeable difference in the promotion of rare items like growth scrolls, albeit a small difference.
Though, Yachtech's race trait has been seeming more and more appealing recently. I really want to see if it can help with hoarding light pens from those angels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489737
I want to have sex with rare food. Is it nice, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489793
Wait do they all really stop working? i keep finding good quality stuff even after changing back to kurimori

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489810
I'm not entirely sure though, but you still have to consider how your own base luck factors in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489458
Yeah, it's kinda like a ballista it seems. Is there some way to counter that hit chance, other than artifact fusion? I'm nowhere near being able to do that yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489929
Enchanting a weapon also increases hit chance.
For non-unique items, a craft kit will optimize the random properties of a weapon (dice, +- hit, etc), but for a unique item like that it's set in stone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489929
Not too sure for statics, maybe a material change kit to something else, but you'll lose the damage dice/+44 too more than likely, keeping the invokes. Artifact fusion wont fix it either, thats just for adding enchants

[Anonymous No.]

Which shops should i have and invest, on my house?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18490162
Magic mostly. Don't need to go all in though, saving one or two slots on a palace for Blackmarket/General can yield some nice stuff too. Magic just tends to sell the most useful rare stuff, meaning you'll need more of them to reliably get it (Scrolls of wonder/wish books)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18489969
Static equipment can't be changed with material kits.

[Anonymous No.]

I need a bit of a break from playing a snail. What advice do you have for making a place look like a drug den? I have a vague idea for my next character.

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>>18490294
Take snail to go have a closer look at Derphy first. I'd go with small, cramped rooms, drab colors and shabby furniture to match.

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>>18490294
Best thing that comes to mind are the back alleys of Melkawn, combined with a little bit of Derphy's design style.

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For the guy who was asking (much) earlier, it seems like the new crafting system gives living weapons fairly often.
I seem to get one roughly every other craft.

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>You harvest a rod of wishing.

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Any updated music pack?

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All my kurimori statues generated artifact seeds on the 30th of a month,is there a list of what seeds get generated on certain days?

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There's a way to revert back to Loss mode on elosnack? Was playing with no sound and starved lel

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>>18490638
It's Kumiromi.

>>18490645
That kind of defeats the point.

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>>18490645

Not really, anyway thats besides the point.

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>>18490638
>If the day has a 3, 6, or 9 in it, you get an herb seed. Otherwise, you get a fruit seed.
>If the day has a 3 or 9 in it, you get an artifact seed. Otherwise, you get a vegetable seed.
>You get an unknown seed regardless of the day.

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>>18490651

Meant to >>18490649

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>>18490645
Hold up, post info or screencaps of your dead character. We gotta do the funeral rites

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>>18490651
It does, if you died on Loss and decided to use elosnack to keep going, you're absolute filth that smears every other player of the mode. Truly disgusting.

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>>18490651
Suck it up anon and make a new character, might as well play essential if you're gonna cheat

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>>18490711

Doesn't count if I had no sound.

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>>18490813
If the game says you died, you died. You choose to play on the roguelike mode, you play by the rules. Others in this thread have also starved or gotten crushed many times early, sound or no sound, and took even hundreds of hour- game deaths like men. Savescummers like you are lower than dirt.

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>>18490813
Sound off was entirely your fault.
Suck it up, buttercup.

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>>18490813
Anon, try right clicking your game folder, then clicking on >Properties >Previous versions, then check if there's any other version of your game folder, from earlier, which your character was still alive.

Hope it works.

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Do i get faster faith progress if i preach to more pets at once?

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Should I feel bad for robbing an army the fellow Eleas of their last belongings, I wonder. In the end, Yacatect is a cruel god.

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>>18490813
Don't care what you do in other modes, but loss is special. What you're saying by choosing it is ''I'm taking on the permadeath challenge in good faith and seeing how far I can get''. There's a reason scumming is the greatest sin to roguelike-players, from Nethack to ADOM and the *bands. Because the whole point is prevailing against all odds, a great part of which are your own fuckups. It's why a win feels like an accomplishment, you not only learned the game but staved off the demon that is your own human error the entire time. In scumming on permadeath, you're spitting on all that and devaluing it for yourself and others, which is worse than any amount of cheating elsewhere

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>>18490813
Thats #1 reason of death for first time loss chars, i lost two before i learned to pay attention or dont play without sound at all.

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>>18490853
>>18490860
>>18490966

It's not my fault the game has no volume slider for effects. If I had died by my own mistake I wouldn't have minded. The only other ocasion I would savecum is if I died to a bug.

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>>18490998
But starving to death is entirely your fault, its an excuse on the level of primary school. You get a multi-stage status notification and gradual hp loss with this. Its like saying 'not my fault i died to overcasting while confused, game has no sfx for this!'.
Please make an overdose char and enjoy the game to the fullest now.

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>>18490998
But it's entirely your fault. Fuck off.

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I'm too afraid to play on loss mode as my first run. I'd be devastated if I lost 200+ hours of progress just by getting oneshotted by some shitty npc.

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>>18491304
>I'm too afraid to play on loss mode as my first run. I'd be devastated if I lost 200+ hours of progress just by getting oneshotted by some shitty npc.
But what about the thrill? Check Defender (Jure's reward) pet if you want to play on loss.
That being said, i definitely not recommend losing your nefia virginity with loss mode char. I lost 5 or 6 chars initially and then made essential save to get to know the game better first.

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>>18491324
Yeah I'll probably use my essential save to know the game better too before attempting the real roguelike experience.

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>>18490627
You can update them yourself in less than one minute.

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Do I get any skills if I afk turns with a bunch of mobs hitting me for 0s?

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>>18491930
Yep. A whole bunch of skills can be trained this way at low skill levels.

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What is the starving/hunger sound supposed to be? i always hear a horse having an angry fit

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>>18491978
Stomach rumble.

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Does anyone have any Overlord sprites they might want to share?

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>>18492169
https://a.pomf.cat/betkws.bmp
Sincerely, your helpful google image search.

try searching at least a bit first

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What do you guys think about savescumming for something completely out of control and potentially character ruining like body parts in south tyris?

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>>18492467
What do you mean? You choose which limbs to add.

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Redpill me on necromancy

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>>18492487
Wot is that new?

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>>18492492
Mutant limbs are random,the doctor limbs can be selected in exchange for base life

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>>18492501
Wow I just checked, thats pretty great! But the -25 life is pretty brutal. On the bright side I don't have to save scum for a loss character...

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Convert to jure of ores!

No,seriously,make her accept heal potions or something instead of copying opatos

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>>18492467
If your whole reason for playing something like Mutant is because you want to play a 1000 hand abomination then it's fine to save scum. If you plan on playing mutant because you want to see what kind of freak you'll be then don't. You just have to set these sorts of limits yourself early on, it's your file after all. Just don't suddenly change the rules halfway or else you'll ruin the point.

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>>18490998
NetHack has no sound at all, and starvation is one of the biggest early character killers. In Elona I have lost a dozen ≤40 hour characters and one ~400h one to dumb mistakes like that, and owned up to them. You man up and immediately start over. It's definitely not a mode everyone will enjoy, especially since time and character investment is greater than any other roguelike. But for those who do, they play by the damn rules.

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I wonder how good would evolved apprentice angel be with divine wisdom, charge attack and over-ray in custom ai script.

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>tfw it takes you over 100 turns to open a door

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>>18492711
[b]ash it

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I did a double take when I saw this one

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>>18492510
I heard that you can get her body pillow if you worship her?

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Praise Ehekatl!

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>>18492991
too bad it gives shitty +77 luck instead of proper 777

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>>18492991
I see that lullaby message, fucking traitor

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>>18493039
I already ditched shuga mommy for the one and only true goddess of Elona.

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>>18493105
thats not lulwy

or jure

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>>18493119
RNGoddess > everything in roguelikes, by definition.

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>>18493124
Just eat a shit ton of happy apples and four leaf clovers,no need to worship that loony woman

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>>18493105
I used to have a character with that portrait and sprite, some years back. But at some point I made new ones and forgot her, and eventually deleted the file for space. Playtime is because it was a gene file. I'm glad she's living on somewhere. Good luck anon

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>>18493147
>no need to worship that cute pussy
How dare you.

Actually, I really only need her pussy.

>>18493157
Fellow ancient civilization researcher!

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>>18493176
Lulwy pussy is more rewarding,the hardest to get

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>>18493147
>Doesn't have 3000+ Luck
What a pleb

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>>18493179
Isnt the cap 2000?

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>>18493180
For the player character yes, but you can go higher by worshipping RNGoddess.

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>>18493177
No, really not. BDSM queen is not my type. Also she has meager benefits for my char, i'd rather go for Itzphalt later if i ever got tired of playing with cats. I'm planning to make a decent magic-resistant 'broom' for riding eventually, either way, so speed is a non-issue.

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How do you even complete the quest to get this? whats the monster name and where do i find it?

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>>18492809
Wow.
You better turn this beauty into a lightsaber.

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>>18493244
Is that a unique item sprite? Because I completely left a broom untouched on a dungeon floor thinking it was just some crappy furniture

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>>18493299
It was crappy furniture, the one in the picture is an act 3 quest reward only.

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>>18493244
Can you change the material?
If so we could get data now materiel values for wood.

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>>18493352
You cant change material of static artifacts.

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Wow I didn't know you could look at the fruit size with * in the gathering quests. It makes life so much easier

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>>18493124
The rare item flag makes Ano the true RNG.

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>>18493591
Once you have over 100 stardust and evolution hearts that starts to not matter as much.

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>>18493244
It's a mana monolith

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>>18493599
Alright,thanks anon

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>>18488087
>>18488242
I reuploaded it.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yqnsn54n15uoj2j/

[Anonymous No.]

What shop type should I choose to help me get that early game cash flow?

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>>18493713
Whatever it has the most of.

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>>18493713
just cycle it to sell your stockpile unless you want to sell food. selling food takes time.

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>>18463406
Updated pastebins.

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>>18493758

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For some reason I'm suddenly not a member of the mages guild anymore. Dude's off the stairs now, but I went inside and everyone attacked me and now I have to decode books again. What happened?

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>>18493854
Either you joined another guild or used the oblivion palace to delete your history

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>>18493861
oh shit, I can only be in one guild? damn

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New >>18493896