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http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-17335.html
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-07-11/1st-person-arrested-for-cg-child-pornography-in-japan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 01:59:59 2013 No.11165294 What a coincidence, I just finished masturbating to child porn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:00:14 2013 No.11165307 What is japanese prison like?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:01:14 2013 No.11165309 What did he expect going public with it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:01:29 2013 No.11165311 isn't child pornography defined as being actual children? how does this apply?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:03:15 2013 No.11165327 >>11165311 >isn't child pornography defined as being actual children? Not any more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:06:29 2013 No.11165353 File: 94 KB, 400x263, cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11165327 A society that is incapable of differentiating between reality and fantasy is truly on the path to destruction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:09:01 2013 No.11165371 >>11165311 >computer graphics made using photographs of girls less than 18 years old >photographs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:15:44 2013 No.11165396 >allegedly sold computer graphics made using photographs of girls less than 18 years old as reference. I don't see a problem with this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:20:14 2013 No.11165421 >>11165353 tips fedora

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:23:59 2013 No.11165433 >>11165396 He had nude models of children he was using a reference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:24:44 2013 No.11165439 >>11165396 >>11165433 Even if the photographs were of fully clothed youths and no part of the photograph is actually part of the final image?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:26:44 2013 No.11165446 How's Thad doing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:27:44 2013 No.11165448 >>11165433 No I mean it was right for him to be arrested.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:28:59 2013 No.11165453 >>11165439 What would be the point of using it as reference then?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:29:30 2013 No.11165454 >>11165446 Don't man, don't ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:30:30 2013 No.11165457 >>11165453 Reference means you look at it for inspiration and then draw. It does not mean apply a cartoon filter on the photograph and publish it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:30:45 2013 No.11165458 File: 16 KB, 587x129, Happy birthday to Mai Waifu Kotonoha Katsura - YouTube.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11165446 He made a comment on his Kotonoha vid, about how the feds didn't find his other HD. It was like 1 month ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:31:44 2013 No.11165463 >>11165457 In this case, it does, as his CGs are more or less reproductions of the references he was using. Note that simple possession of CP is not even illegal in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:32:14 2013 No.11165466 >>11165458 I bet you thumbed that up too /a/ kiddie

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:33:44 2013 No.11165469 >>11165466 I bet you thumb up liek dis if you cry errytime comments, turbonerd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:33:59 2013 No.11165472 >>11165466 I haven't visited /a/ in like a year.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:34:14 2013 No.11165473 >>11165469 evry time ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:34:29 2013 No.11165474 >>11165469 suck my cock dude

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:34:59 2013 No.11165478 >>11165473 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:35:29 2013 No.11165480 >>11165463 If he really did that, I rest my case. The direction Japan is going is still pretty scary though. It always starts with: you wouldn't agree that this arrest was right, would you? Next you look, everything is illegal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:35:29 2013 No.11165481 >>11165458 It was in May. https://twitter.com/madthad0890

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:37:14 2013 No.11165487 >>11165481 >twitter.com/madthad0890 Do you think he's back in jail because of it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:38:29 2013 No.11165491 File: 339 KB, 457x457, 1350519360013.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does this mean rustle's gonna get rustled?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:38:44 2013 No.11165492 Can people still draw little girls?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:38:59 2013 No.11165493 >>11165491 Why did Rustle have to waste his time with vanilla shit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:39:44 2013 No.11165495 >>11165492 Drawing little girls means you're a rapist. Please don't rape girls.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:40:14 2013 No.11165496 >>11165493 Because he was running out of "references".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:41:29 2013 No.11165498 File: 55 KB, 684x529, test.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11165495 But I like rape. I'm glad reimu is legal

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:41:44 2013 No.11165500 >>11165491 Nah, he uses midgets as reference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:42:14 2013 No.11165501 Did the new CP bill get approved?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:46:29 2013 No.11165513

>>11165487
Probably. There was a hearing scheduled for June 7 but that's all we know.

http://ia600801.us.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.mied.267305/gov.uscourts.mied.267305.37.0.pdf

http://ia700801.us.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.mied.267305/gov.uscourts.mied.267305.38.0.pdf

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:53:44 2013 No.11165529 The otaku purge has begun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 02:59:14 2013 No.11165545 >>11165472 get a load of this /jp/ oldfag, he hasnt been on /a/ in a whole year!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 03:30:00 2013 No.11165665 Is it legal to masturbate to pictures or videos of little kids getting tortured, killed or getting their lives ruined in other ways as long as there's no sexual content in it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 03:38:46 2013 No.11165692 >>11165665 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 03:47:45 2013 No.11165722 >>11165529 >The pedophile purge has begun. FTFY

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:02:00 2013 No.11165756

>>11165722
Pedophilia isn't illegal. Child molestation is.

I assume you consider pedophilia as a mental sickness. In that case, you wish for all people with sociopath tendencies to be incarcerated - even if they haven't done anything. Even if they only kill in videogames.

That is thoughtcrime. And you should go read 1984.

But if you don't wanna read a book because you're american, here, something that similarly makes the point:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:02:15 2013 No.11165753 >>11165286 according to all the articles i've looked at, the guy had drawn images that were too realistic so the police deemed them to be the same as an actual photo which is why he was arrested.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:05:16 2013 No.11165766 >>11165756 We didn't speak out for the commies because we weren't commies We didn't speak out for the pedos because they're sick fucks and we're the ones persecuting them Oh and >He thinks 1984 is some enlightening book

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:08:30 2013 No.11165776 >>11165766 Enjoy it while you can. When the commies come from china asking for their money back, and start persecuting you, I hope you remember this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:10:00 2013 No.11165783 >>11165766 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:11:16 2013 No.11165785 >>11165756 I wonder, if ``they'' went after all these groups, who exactly would ``they'' be to be left standing at the end?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:13:31 2013 No.11165794 >>11165785 It originally referred to the nazis, but in a modern context, it refers to the ultra-right groups. Picketing protestant texans and its equivalents worldwide, if you want.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:13:31 2013 No.11165795 >>11165286 Why is Japan moralfagging now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:14:31 2013 No.11165797 >>11165785 Oh well originally it was about the nazis but now people use it at the drop of a hat

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:14:31 2013 No.11165798 >>11165785 Proud Aryans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:14:46 2013 No.11165799 Wow... There are a lot of pedophiles on this board. I'm getting the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:15:00 2013 No.11165801 >>11165795 Because Agnes-chan, Ishihara and whatnot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:15:00 2013 No.11165802 >>11165799 It's too late for you, I already have your IP address. I'm calling the feds on you now, but not before I deposit a few pictures of underage models on your PC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:17:45 2013 No.11165805 >>11165801 I hope it's just a fad that goes away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:18:00 2013 No.11165807 >>11165421 Does having common sense make someone a fedora-tipper now?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:19:15 2013 No.11165808

Censorship of the visual form seems entirely arbitrary; how are textual or auditory depictions any less symbolic or metaphorical in communicative essence? Further, how do constituent pixels of a computationally generated image hold any interpretive connection with one another when aligned physically through an electronic display medium?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:20:00 2013 No.11165811 >>11165805 Not in your lifetime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:20:30 2013 No.11165809 >>11165805 It will.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:22:15 2013 No.11165813 >>11165808 Morals or some shit. They care little for logic.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:22:45 2013 No.11165814

>>11165805
It won't.

When you give up your liberties to your government, you give them up forever. There was nobody but the otaku to fight against retarded cp laws back when they were drafting them in '07 or '08, and the general public was happy to support the government, because they weren't otaku.

Now it can just spiral down. I think the only place with real freedom of expression left is, like, Spain or something. Even the biggest defenders of freedom of expression, like Sweden and Iceland, have some shit against "virtual cp" now.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:24:01 2013 No.11165816

I don't even approve of CP possession being illegal, so I obviously think this is pretty stupid. I don't get how so many harmless things end up illegal. Who forms these laws and on what basis? Do they really believe they're doing the right thing or is it simply to appeal to the hatred and fear of normals for more support?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:25:16 2013 No.11165817 I really dont care. All this means is the shitty tracers will die off. Good. If you cant draw then dont. Make a thread when someone gets arrested just for drawing loli then ill care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:25:16 2013 No.11165818 >>11165814 Wasn't actual CP only banned in 1999 and even then possession of it was not illegal? This just seems out of sych with Japan who's not normally sexual puritanical.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:27:30 2013 No.11165819 >>11165816 Some people believe drawings actually make others commit crimes. Others want it illegal because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:28:15 2013 No.11165820 >>11165816 It's not difficult to understand. It's hard to convict someone of being a child molester, but it's really easy to convict someone of looking at child porn. CP laws help cops catch criminals.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:28:30 2013 No.11165822

>>11165816
Possession of CP is illegal because children were raped (statutorily or not, it's still legally considered rape, though the age varies) to make the material. Just like possession of snuff is illegal because people were mutilated and/or killed to make such material.

And that's why possession and fabrication of virtual child pornography (manga, anime, even if it's 3D) is completely retarded. If nobody was harmed when the material was made, there's no reason why the material should be made illegal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:28:30 2013 No.11165823 >>11165818 The USA are exporting their ``freedom'' to the rest of the world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:29:31 2013 No.11165825 >>11165817 Dude. They're talking about 3D models. Haven't you played Mago Zenpen? I don't wanna live in a world where Mago Zenpen is illegal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:30:45 2013 No.11165827 >>11165818 Blame catholics, and up to some point, the UNICEF. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Chan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:30:45 2013 No.11165828 >>11165825 It wasn't the model that got him, it was the photos. The CG was incidental.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:31:00 2013 No.11165831 >>11165827 >>11165823 >>11165830 God, I hate the west and their moralfaggotry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:31:15 2013 No.11165830 >>11165823 Yeah, I heard it's because of pressure from western countries. That their doing this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:32:31 2013 No.11165832 any pics of alleged drawn CP?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:33:00 2013 No.11165838 >>11165836 >He's only going to get a couple years How much is a couple of years?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:33:15 2013 No.11165836 He's only going to get a couple years. Japan's CP laws are ridiculously lax and it's only been considered illegal relatively recently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:34:00 2013 No.11165842 >>11165836 A couple of years still is a couple of years longer than no sentence.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:34:15 2013 No.11165843

>>11165820
You can't just go around calling anybody a criminal. Possession of CP doesn't make you a child molester. It doesn't even necessarily make you tend to child molestation, otherwise, possession of The Silence of the Lambs would make you tend to mass murder.

But it's been made criminal by law. The worst part is that there are shades of gray, so whether you're a criminal or not because you possess a picture of a naked child depends on the point of view of your judge.

And, in several countries now including japan, those shades of grey have extended to virtual media. And if they can censor art, they will be able to censor anything.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:35:30 2013 No.11165844 Their just making an example out of the guy. Japan isn't serious about CP in anyway, otherwise Jr Idols and lolicon art would have been banned. It's about face.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:36:30 2013 No.11165848 >>11165828 See >>11165753 There were no photos. There was just the likelyhood of photos. In other words, they're arresting him for being a pretty damn good, accurate artist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:37:16 2013 No.11165852 >>11165822 > Just like possession of snuff is illegal because people were mutilated and/or killed to make such material. It isn't...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:38:16 2013 No.11165853 >>11165836 "He's only going to get a couple years. Japan's anime/manga/movies/tv piracy laws are ridiculously lax and it's only been considered illegal relatively recently."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:39:00 2013 No.11165860 >>11165853 "He's only going to get a couple days. /jp/'s shitposting laws are ridiculously lax and it's only been considered against the rules relatively recently"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:39:00 2013 No.11165861 >>11165859 >>11165756

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:39:15 2013 No.11165858 >>11165852 It is. Rape videos too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:39:30 2013 No.11165859 >>11165853 What does piracy have to do with CP?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:41:30 2013 No.11165865

>>11165838
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Japan
No more than 3 years judging by his situation. And this is only because he used it as a basis for drawings that were then published? If it was just possession he would get NO time because possession is not illegal in Japan.

>>11165842
True, but it's better than getting raped and killed in prison by the association to child molestation alone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:41:30 2013 No.11165866 >>11165861 Stop shitposting please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:42:30 2013 No.11165872 >>11165865 That's assuming he even gets convicted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:42:45 2013 No.11165873 soon we'll all be tie wearing office rats who play sports with their society of 30-somethings as a hobby and jack off to Jenna Jameson DVDs rented from a video store. love it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:42:45 2013 No.11165874 >>11165816 A little bit of one, a little bit of the other. I don't remember who said it exactly, but > The worst kind of oppressor is the one who believes what they do is for your own good, because their conscience never bothers them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:43:15 2013 No.11165877 File: 171 KB, 637x431, 1338272219501.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11165866 >>11165860

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:43:45 2013 No.11165880 >>11165843 >possession of The Silence of the Lambs would make you tend to mass murder. It's more like getting snuff videos and then making CG art based on them.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:44:01 2013 No.11165887

>>11165816
>rms these laws and on what basis? Do they really believe they're doing the right thing or is it simply to appeal to the hatred and fear of normals for more support?
Blame the west. Seriously, Japan only pretends to care about CP because the rest of the world is having a moral circlejerk. Even distribution was okay until 2003.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:44:31 2013 No.11165883 >>11165877 You're too late.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:44:46 2013 No.11165884 It's always funny that the only reasons of pedophile haters are that it's "creepy and sick". What the hell do they even mean by that, I wonder.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:45:00 2013 No.11165891 >>11165880 Again, shades of grey.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:45:15 2013 No.11165888 >>11165877 I guess you could say this of all political systems.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:45:15 2013 No.11165889

>>11165874
The worst kind of oppressor is the one who believes what they do is for your own good, because their conscience never bothers them
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. – C. S. Lewis

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:46:45 2013 No.11165894 >>11165889 Thank you >>11165887 So we need to just fix the USA?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:47:45 2013 No.11165899 >>11165887 This is why I look forward to the rise of China and Korea. It will allow Japan to fall below the radar.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:49:30 2013 No.11165904

>>11165894
>fix the USA
HAHA, OH WOW.

You say that as if it was in any way possible.

But yeah, if the USA was fixed, Japan would follow suit. I don't think Canada, Britain, Australia, Sweden, Iceland, Germany and all of the other countries that are oppressing freedom of speech when it comes to lolicon would follow suit though. But Japan would.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:50:15 2013 No.11165907 >>11165880 There's nothing wrong with that, or even tracing CP, in my opinion. The problem is that the deed is already done. Pretending it hasn't happened and punishing people for recognizing fact and reality is fucking backwards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:51:15 2013 No.11165908 >>11165904 we just need to control tumblr If we can make the social justice warriors brigade fight for freedom, we may get the small leverage necessary to form an actual movement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:52:30 2013 No.11165914 >>11165908 Nobody cares about "fixing" the US. It could could got to shit for all I care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:53:01 2013 No.11165916 >>11165914 If by ``fixing'', you are talking about nuking, I'm all ears. Really now.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:54:31 2013 No.11165918

>>11165907
Both interferes with the police. One would have people trying to break into forensic areas to get footage and the other would cause the police to spend months trying to find evidence for cases when they can just claim the suspect's hard drive and be done with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:58:01 2013 No.11165935 More than a century ago, some wanted alcohol banned. Now this. There's thousands of Carrie Nations than ever before, in this world of FUD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 04:58:31 2013 No.11165932 >>11165918 The government is there to work for the people, not the other way around. Of course, that's sadly only true in theory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:00:01 2013 No.11165943 >>11165932 Getting serial rapists and other criminals behind bars is working for the people. Would you rather live in a high-crime area where the police are crippled to near uselessness?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:00:31 2013 No.11165940

>>11165914
That's like saying "I don't care for my left leg, it can rot away for all I care."
You may not be a marathon runner and may really not need your left leg, but if it rots, you'll get very sick, maybe even start disliking cp and putting productive workers in jail.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:01:47 2013 No.11165946

>>11165894
>So we need to just fix the USA?
We need to fix the entire world it seems, but yes, the US is one of the biggest offenders. Many of the problems Japan is facing (e.g. health, economic, law, corporatism) is the result of westernization, particularly Americanization.

The problem is we can't fix the US, we can only wait for the inevitable collapse once the intrinsic contradictions become too great and unresolvable. It's why I bury my existence in comfortable Japanese escapism; the world outside makes me feel sick and confused. I know I'm not alone in feeling this massive existential anxiety.

>>11165918
>One would have people trying to break into forensic areas to get footage and the other would cause the police to spend months trying to find evidence for cases when they can just claim the suspect's hard drive and be done with it.
In the digital age I don't think anyone is going to break into anything. I personally believe that information should be archived and available to the public anyway.

As for police being forced to find evidence to convict people: this is the way law is supposed to work. Besides, most CP on anyone's HD is not made by the person, but downloaded from various sources, so using that to convict them doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:02:16 2013 No.11165949 fuck magnetic fields and their algorithmic interpretation

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:02:31 2013 No.11165951 >>11165940 Except, that I don't live in us anymore.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:04:46 2013 No.11165960

>>11165946
>As for police being forced to find evidence to convict people: this is the way law is supposed to work.

Most crimes don't have the sole witness be a minor. The police are already limited in what they can do before they start and the statement they get isn't exactly all that reliable either. Most of them are intimidated into silence and, you know, they are kids so you can't push them that hard.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:05:46 2013 No.11165961

>>11165943
Getting innocent artists treated like serial rapists isn't working for the people, however.

Here, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_Of_The_False_Positive

I hope you've read it, but let me summarize it for you: mathematically, punishing non-rapists as rapists works against law enforcement (though not agains law enforcers, as it gives them extra work). It's a waste of time and resources.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:06:16 2013 No.11165963 >>11165946 >We need to fix the entire world it seems "We" don't need to fix anything. Japan just needs to go into isolation again to protect itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:08:31 2013 No.11165967 >>11165951 Except that the US has a political gravitational pull. In other words, most retarded policies enforced on the US are bound to be enforced, eventually, in the rest of the UN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:09:31 2013 No.11165970 >>11165961 The time saved from reduced investigation would counteract that, though, wouldn't it? Besides, it's not like they are innocent, they still possessed illegal material.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:10:16 2013 No.11165971 >>11165967 >Except that the US has a political gravitational pull. Which is in decline because the whole country is in decline. Empires come and go. It will probably get a little bumpy global, but the U.S. is on it's way out.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:12:02 2013 No.11165980

>>11165970
>The time saved from reduced investigation would counteract that, though, wouldn't it?
Not at all. Read the link.

>Besides, it's not like they are innocent, they still possessed illegal material
And we go back to the argument: if nobody is hurt when the material is made, the material shouldn't be illegal. Read >>11165822

You stated that the material is illegal because making it illegal makes it easier to put rapists behind bars here: >>11165918

But if you read the link I gave you here >>11165961, you'd understand why that's not only false, but counterproductive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:15:16 2013 No.11165989 >>11165980 The link assumes that the CP was the instigator of the investigation instead of, as it usually is, a part of an ongoing investigation. You don't think they actually arrest everyone they suspect of looking at CP do you?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:18:01 2013 No.11166001

>>11165960
Well if the guy has videos of himself raping his daughter, then yes, I think the videos should be used as evidence. If the guy just has random CP, that's not enough to convict. They might use that as basis to remove the daughter from his custody, but the guy is innocent until proven guilty.

What if he was using the CP to relieve his desires? What if he had no attraction to his daughter? What if the CP was inadvertently downloaded into temporary files from him browsing 4chan and he didn't realize? Most importantly, what if he didn't harm his daughter in any way?

CP should not be illegal. I wouldn't be arrested for having a picture of some random guy selling drugs. It makes no sense to punish people for committed crimes that were completely removed from them.

>>11165963
Well "fixing" is impossible. And Japan is now a global force. They cannot isolate at this point. All we can do is wait. There's no way this brand of westernization will survive in the future because it only survives on deceit and delusion.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:19:02 2013 No.11166006

Hey let's completely ignore the systemic issue of even categorizing this conglomerate of organisms as a uniform species and attempt to concert their actions through metaphorical fictions which can not adequately model or describe any observable phenomena at quantum scales.

lol @ notion of platonic objects

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:19:02 2013 No.11166007 >>11166001 > it only survives on deceit and delusion You mean like Christianity?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:19:47 2013 No.11166005

>>11165961
>Someone making the 'base rate fallacy' would infer that there is a 99% chance that the detected person is a terrorist. Although the inference seems to make sense, it is actually bad reasoning, and a calculation below will show that the chances they are a terrorist are actually near 1%, not near 99%.
Do you expect politicians or their retarded voters to understand this?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:20:17 2013 No.11166009

>>11165989
Now we're getting somewhere.

You're saying the CP (and I use this term loosely, as fictional children aren't children) shouldn't instigate an investigation.

But that means said (virtual) CP shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Its possession and creation shouldn't be a crime. It shouldn't even be used as evidence for child molestation. Because the creation and possession of said material didn't hurt anybody.

If the CP was of real children, it could help put the rapist (again, even if it's statutory it is illegal) behind bars. But making pictures of non-existing children fucking illegal is nothing more than obscenity laws. Thoughtcrime.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:21:28 2013 No.11166012

>>11165820
>It's hard to convict someone of being a child molester, but it's really easy to convict someone of looking at child porn. CP laws help cops catch criminals.
In the same way as redefining the term 'militant' to mean 'any male of an age where he could be a soldier' avoids civilian deaths. (This actually happened.) You hide the problem, you don't solve it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:21:29 2013 No.11166014 >>11166006 Stringing along big words for the effect alone doesn't exactly make you look smart and educated, you know.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:22:43 2013 No.11166019

>>11166005
Do you expect politicians or their retarded voters to be in /jp/?

I'm not trying to change the world. I'm trying to explain to some random anon why persecuting lolicon artists is counterproductive when it comes to finding real child molesters.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:23:43 2013 No.11166021

>>11166001
>They cannot isolate at this point.

Not really, japan is already losing interest in the current trends in the west and has pretty much resisted them all to the chargin of western pundits. They've said no to: Mass immigration, Political Correctness, Web 2.0, and so on. Japan isn't really moving towards being a global force, this isn't the 80's. They've completed their original goal of modernizing their country to resist western occupation. The west doesn't really have much to offer anymore. The student has surpassed the teacher.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:23:58 2013 No.11166023 >>11166009 What do fictional children have to do with anything? The guy was arrested for tracing a known nude child model. CP laws involve actual children, for the most part.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:24:28 2013 No.11166024 >>11166006 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That is, I don't see what connection you're making between alleged a-priori axiomatic mis-apprehension of humanity and some vain attempt to command the masses with metaphorical literature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:25:58 2013 No.11166029 >>11166023 Again, the guy was arrested for ALLEGEDLY tracing child porn. See >>11165753 and >>11165848

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:26:13 2013 No.11166031

>>11166009
>But that means said (virtual) CP shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Its possession and creation shouldn't be a crime. It shouldn't even be used as evidence for child molestation. Because the creation and possession of said material didn't hurt anybody.
At least 90% of people have done murder or jaywalking before in their life. True story.

Don't put 'creation' and 'possession' together. Possession is harmless. Creation should be harshly punished.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:27:44 2013 No.11166037 >>11166029 I'm pretty sure >>11165753 is full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:27:58 2013 No.11166038 >>11166029 Well, of course it's allegedly at this point, he hasn't been convicted yet. That's what a trail will determine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:28:13 2013 No.11166039 So, do we have any idea which artist this is about?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:29:13 2013 No.11166044

>>11166031
>Creation should be harshly punished
Creation of real CP, where real children are raped (even if it was consensual, it was still illegal due to statutory rape laws)? Yes, definitely.

Creation of VIRTUAL child porn, COMIC LO stuff, you know, 3DGC? Where no child was even touched? Making such a thing illegal is though crime, and thought crime is the indication of a flawed legal system.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:30:28 2013 No.11166053 >>11166038 All a trial ever determines when it comes to anything involving pedophilia is how much everyone loves to make pedophiles suffer. There is no such thing as a chance in these cases.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:30:44 2013 No.11166055 >>11166039 Akira Takahashi

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:31:59 2013 No.11166059

>>11166007
Any sort of shifting, exploitative ideals that have controlled masses. Shit like religion, capitalism, "individualism", "freedom", "progress", etc. Things that make no sense when you step back for a second. The whole of the US is founded upon these formless ambiguities and empty hopes. People waste entire lives chasing shadows on a wall.

>>11166021
Last I saw, Japan was still promoting soft power. Only a year or two ago, they were trying to boost tourism. And recently they've devalued their own currency to promote foreign trade.

They're unique in their own right, but they're still connected to a global market and thus victim to the whims of foreign nations. Let's also not forget that Japan is and has been the US's bitch since WWII.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:32:14 2013 No.11166060 >>11166031 At least 100% of people have shitposted or been warm.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:37:28 2013 No.11166093

>>11166059

When I say isolation, I don't mean absolute isolation. Just some measure of protection from foreign propagandist.

Japans soft power is dead [Thank God]. Their electronics and automobile industries are being eaten up by koreans and their is just more interest in China right now. Japan is fading into obscurity, which is good because now westerners will have something else to focus on.

Also, there is mounting pressure for U.S troops to leave. So, it might just happen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:39:28 2013 No.11166102 >>11165873 Don't worry, during night we can wear dress and have a tea party at abandoned house like the wild rebels we are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:41:35 2013 No.11166113 >>11166102 And we will get arrested and put in jail without process for it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:44:21 2013 No.11166125

>>11166093
>Just some measure of protection from foreign propagandist.
They're doing pretty well in that regard, but some politicians are still buckling under foreign pressure (e.g. Ishihara). They've always gone their own way, but their culture is now inextricably linked with western cultures. I don't know if they'll be able to sever the ties that matter. Whatever happens, I'll be fine as long as otaku are still around to make the stuff I enjoy.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:49:50 2013 No.11166142

>>11166125

Their culture has been linked to the west since the Meiji restoration. That wasn't a bad thing, but the West back then isn't the same west now. Another thing I like about Japan is you see alot of older western idiosyncrasies that don't exist anymore. Japan has been going it's on way now and should continue to do so. Seriously, fuck the West.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:50:35 2013 No.11166147 >>11166142 wow so edgy.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:54:35 2013 No.11166161

So, looks like the guy was tracing pictures of a model named "Hanasaki ○yu". Most likely Hanasaki Mayu, 花咲まゆ, a teenage idol who published a nude book when she was 13 (most likely back when CP wasn't illegal in japan, looking at her pictures in google seems like it was in the '90s).
http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/wiki/花咲まゆ

I found a lot of (heavily censored) pictures of the book, and it looks pretty harmless. She's naked (under the heavy pixelation), yeah, but she's just posing in a beach, smiling.

So even if it's true that he traced CP from that book, it was CP that was originally released commercially, in a completely legal way. So I don't know.

This was the link of the thing he was selling, but melonbooks deleted it:
http://www.melonbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=IT0000116571

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:56:13 2013 No.11166171

>>11166147
Do you hate freedom or something? The only freedom that matters is freedom of expression, and Japan does a much better job at allowing people to have that than most other countries. The main thing that threatens their freedom is smelly dumb western scum.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:56:20 2013 No.11166169 >>11166142 japanese_typing_at_keyboard.jpg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:57:30 2013 No.11166178 >>11166169 I dunno whether to be flattered or offended.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:58:44 2013 No.11166181 >>11166171 This is not me btw.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:58:44 2013 No.11166183 >>11166171 lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 05:59:44 2013 No.11166189 >>11165722 Anti-pedo is codeword for anti-otaku.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:00:29 2013 No.11166194 >>11166125 The worst part is history books 20 years from now will paint this law as "the end of the dark era of CP in japan". The ride never ends.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:00:59 2013 No.11166197 >>11166189 Most of Japan is both anti-pedo and anti-otaku. Nobody just gives enough of a shit to do anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:01:30 2013 No.11166198 >>11166183 Do you find something I said to be funny? I completely mean everything I said, and I've yet to see any evidence that any of it is untrue. Japan is the only nation on the planet that both understands freedom and properly utilizes it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:02:14 2013 No.11166201 >>11166198 Way too obvious.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:02:29 2013 No.11166203 >>11166198 Yes I found your delusions funny

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:02:59 2013 No.11166204 >>11166197 >Most of Japan is both anti-pedo I actually grinned in real life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:03:29 2013 No.11166209 >>11166201 Some people genuinely think that your average Japanese person lives a life of unlimited personal social freedom. They're out there.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:04:15 2013 No.11166213

>>11166201
>>11166203
I'm not joking at all. Please tell me what's wrong about what I've said, you freedom-hating americas. All you do is refuse to allow things you don't like to exist all while pretending you support freedom.

>>11166209
Social freedom doesn't matter in the slightest, only freedom of expression matters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:04:59 2013 No.11166215 >>11166204 >I actually grinned in real life. Grinning at random statements is a hallmark of retardation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:05:14 2013 No.11166216 >>11166204 >deluded pedo who thinks japan is pedo paradise

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:05:59 2013 No.11166221

>>11166213
>Social freedom doesn't matter in the slightest, only freedom of expression matters.
It does happen to be the only one you give a shit about, but you will have a hard time convincing everyone who doesn't agree with you, which is most people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:07:30 2013 No.11166225 I want to fuck a slim, feminine Japanese 15-year old boy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:07:30 2013 No.11166227 >>11166221 Well they can fuck off and just enjoy partying at the club instead of joining in on trying to force one of the final countries that respect freedom of expression into the giant politically-correct bubble.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:09:44 2013 No.11166233 >>11166225 me too

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:10:29 2013 No.11166235 >>11166233 If you find one I get first dibs.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:10:44 2013 No.11166237

>>11166227
>Well they can fuck off and just enjoy partying at the club instead of joining in on trying to force one of the final countries that respect freedom of expression into the giant politically-correct bubble.
Many people who do not spend all their evenings "partying at the club" care about social freedom, including Japanese people.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:12:00 2013 No.11166242

>>11166194
>The worst part is history books 20 years from now will paint this law as "the end of the dark era of CP in japan".
M-maybe there'll be another enlightenment period and people will see the futility of banning CP! And then Japan will finally perfect their robotics to bring us loli androids and peace will rule the earth.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:12:00 2013 No.11166243

>>11166237
Social freedom will inevitably lead to them all trying to impress one another by showing how much of a "good person" they're capable of being, which really just amounts to them copying what the people on the news say. That behavior will inevitably lead to the destruction of freedom of expression. That's what went wrong with most developed countries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:13:59 2013 No.11166246 >>11166215 >>11166216 There's no such thing as paradise. But, if I were a pedo, I'd rather be one in japan. Sure beats the alternative.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:14:14 2013 No.11166247 >>11166227 Hate speech is not free speech. Other than that you can say whatever you want to stop whining.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:15:29 2013 No.11166248 This thread is getting dangerously retarded so I'm just going to leave now. >>11166247 Expression comes in more forms than just speech.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:16:44 2013 No.11166255 >>11166247 >Hate speech is not free speech Free speech isn't free if it isn't free. You feel me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:17:14 2013 No.11166256 >>11166248 >Expression comes in more forms than just speech. True. Here's how I express myself. whips out dick

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:17:29 2013 No.11166259

>>11166247
What I have in mind when I talk about freedom of expression is freedom of fiction. That doesn't mean hate speech, it just means that they're actually allowed to do what they want. Incest romance is an example of something that I love that is never allowed outside of Japan because it's supposedly "wrong". And of course, on topic with this thread, any thing that sexualizes fictional children is also wrong and should supposedly not be allowed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:18:44 2013 No.11166264 >>11166259 What this thread is actually about is some guy who sold traced CP in Japan got arrested and now we're all bitching about how the West is shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:19:15 2013 No.11166269 >>11166259 Their free on somethings, but absolutely despotic on others. But, I do value freedom of expression in media more than other freedoms. I also like how sacrosanct privacy is over there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:19:15 2013 No.11166270 >>11166264 There's nothing wrong with selling traced CP either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:19:45 2013 No.11166272 >>11166270 You should email the Diet, maybe they'll care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:20:29 2013 No.11166275 >>11166264 Pressure from the west is allegedly the cause of the CP crackdown in japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:21:29 2013 No.11166278 File: 89 KB, 348x339, pdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11166275

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:21:59 2013 No.11166281 >>11166235 No, you will get sloppy seconds.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:24:29 2013 No.11166290 >>11166275 No it's that they blame their declining birth rates on otaku media.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:26:29 2013 No.11166295 >>11166290 I've seen both issue brung up. But, it's probably the birthrate issue like you said.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:26:59 2013 No.11166296 >>11166290 Whereas it's actually the PUA attitude and feminism that has been introduced from the west. Of course easier to blame otaku than themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:28:29 2013 No.11166301 >>11166296 Not a single person in Japan gives a shit about feminism or PUA.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:28:44 2013 No.11166302 Why doesn't Japan train women to be sluts from little girl age on to solve their borth rate problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:29:14 2013 No.11166308 >>11166302 It's easier to blame men.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:29:29 2013 No.11166303 >>11166296 >PUA attitude and feminism that has been introduced from the west. None of those things have penetrated Japan. Rather Japanese men have just realized something western men are too stupid to realize. Women suck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:29:29 2013 No.11166304 >>11166296 >feminism you don't even know anything about japan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:29:29 2013 No.11166306 >>11166302 Because mothers and teachers don't feel like raising their daughters and students that way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:30:29 2013 No.11166312 >>11166303 It's the Jews that keep telling them to lust after women.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:30:44 2013 No.11166313 >>11166303 The women figured out that the men suck, too. Japan is ahead of the curve on all fronts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:30:44 2013 No.11166314 >>11166301 Yeah, only the young japanese woman no longer having to become house wives and getting to work, and the young japanese men getting to stick their dick in all the women who aren't tied down.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:30:59 2013 No.11166315 >>11166312 They don't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:31:14 2013 No.11166316 >>11166314 And guess what is the result, a declining birthrate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:31:15 2013 No.11166322 >>11166316 Japan will probably be the first society with artificial wombs and Sex dolls.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:31:29 2013 No.11166318 >>11166315 Then why is everything in the media highly sexualized?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:32:45 2013 No.11166323 >>11166314 That's because many Japanese women spontaneously decided that they didn't want to conform to Japanese cultural expectations, because they decided those expectations fucking sucked. "Imported feminism" has fuck-all to do with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:32:59 2013 No.11166324 >>11166318 Because people aren't having sex.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:32:59 2013 No.11166325 >>11166301 >>11166303 I'll agree on feminism but nanpa is pretty big in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:33:14 2013 No.11166326 >>11166324 I'm talking about the West, not Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:33:14 2013 No.11166328 >>11166318 In Japanese media they're often girls and not women. Also the girls being sexualized are usually not real.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:33:59 2013 No.11166329 >>11166322 Thanks to the west.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:34:14 2013 No.11166330 >>11166328 He's talking about the west apparently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:34:44 2013 No.11166333 >>11166323 Only, that is feminism. Which, as you said wasn't present in their culture, so where could it have come from? Maybe, I dunnoe, the west.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:35:14 2013 No.11166334 >>11166329 No, it's got nothing to do with the west. Japanese women didn't have to become as bad as western women for men to walk out on them. Because Japanese guys actually have standards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:36:29 2013 No.11166336 >>11166333 It's not a movement you idiot. It's basically people dropping out of the system. It has shit to do with rights or oppression and whatever meme western feminist are constantly spewing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:37:14 2013 No.11166338 >>11166323 >>11166333 where the FUCK are you getting this from there's no feminism at all in japan and yes, >>11166323, what you described is feminism

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:37:29 2013 No.11166339

>>11166333
>Only, that is feminism.
Males did the same thing. I guess that's androgysm now.

>Which, as you said wasn't present in their culture, so where could it have come from?
Maybe Japanese people are capable of thinking about things and coming to decisions.

It came from the fact that the culture was oppressive and sucked, and after Japan stopped being an impoverished nation the children did not identify with the hardworking, self-sacrificing ethics that their parents had.

>Maybe, I dunnoe, the west.
Obviously you don't. You don't know shit.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:39:15 2013 No.11166344

>>11166336
That's what a movement is turbonerd. It doesn't have to be conscious. Also if you weren't so ingrained in /v/ culture you would know that feminism is term for the the gaining of rights by women, feminism != neo-feminizm. There is none of that tumblr neo-feminizm in Japan, true, but there is plenty of unconscious feminism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:40:30 2013 No.11166345 >>11166339 Since when did males not have a higher place in society than women?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:40:45 2013 No.11166347 >>11166344 SRS, get out of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:40:45 2013 No.11166348 >>11166344 "I don't feel like getting married, so I don't" is not a gain of a right. It means that somebody felt like having fun in their thirties instead of being tied down. A somebody who, by the way, could be either male or female.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:41:30 2013 No.11166349 >>11166344 >unconscious feminism. No, there is not. No even close, take your bullshit somewhere else like /v/. Nobody here is stupid enough to take you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:41:45 2013 No.11166350 >>11166339 mai glorious nippon can't possibly be becoming westernized oh noez danny choo helppp >>11166347 You're homeboard is this way -> >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:41:59 2013 No.11166352 >>11166345 >Since when did males not have a higher place in society than women? I have zero fucking idea what your post has to do with mine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:42:29 2013 No.11166353 >>11166352 Try reading your own post dolt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:42:59 2013 No.11166354 >>11166161 私はまゆ13歳 ISBN4-8289-0292-9 C0372 Apparently, 1991.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:43:44 2013 No.11166355 >>11166353 Nowhere in my post did I make any statement about the relative status of men and women in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:43:44 2013 No.11166356 >>11166350 >You're homeboard is this way -> Sounds like you're projecting. Like I said, nobody is gonna fall for this garbage on /jp/. Stick to your propaganda on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:44:14 2013 No.11166359 This is a perfect time to panic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:44:45 2013 No.11166357 >>11166350 >mai glorious nippon can't possibly be becoming westernized oh noez danny choo helppp Japan has been becoming more and more Westernized since the Meiji Restoration and nobody besides the most hopeless weebs actually give a shit about it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:44:45 2013 No.11166358

>>11166344
I'm fine with feminists who want to make themselves less restricted, but I hate feminists who try to restrict males in the process, which not only neo-feminists are guilty of, it's actually become the "meat" of feminism in general. Since it's just starting in Japan, it's not quite as bad, but it probably will eventually reach the point where things that Japanese men enjoy are outlawed because they're "sexist". The future is bleak for men who want to take it easy, and feminism is partly to blame.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:45:00 2013 No.11166364

>>11166358
>Since it's just starting in Japan, it's not quite as bad, but it probably will eventually reach the point where things that Japanese men enjoy are outlawed because they're "sexist".
Are we making random predictions now? I predict that by the year 2030, genetic engineering will have progressed to the point where a freak accident causes Godzilla to rise out of an underwater research laboratory and destroy Tokyo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:45:29 2013 No.11166362 >>11166356 Nobody uses terms like propaganda, garbage or projecting here, I would know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:46:14 2013 No.11166365 >>11166356 Why do you bother, you are only making it more obvious where you come from.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:46:44 2013 No.11166366 >>11166357 muh glorious aryan influence

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:46:59 2013 No.11166368 The shitty sociology thread became a shitty metathread. Can we just bring in the ironic shitposters and call lit a day?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:47:00 2013 No.11166372 >>11166365 So, these tactics actually work on your home board?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:47:00 2013 No.11166373 >>11166369 >It's happening in the west, why wouldn't it happen in Japan. Fucking flawless logic.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:47:29 2013 No.11166369

>>11166364
It's happening in the west, why wouldn't it happen in Japan. The results of movements always repeat in each country their introduced to. Not that you mind, since you're a girl and you love to make men miserable just because they're capable of enjoying being alone unlike you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:47:44 2013 No.11166370 >>11166356 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:47:44 2013 No.11166371 Why are all of you sage-ing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:48:32 2013 No.11166375 >>11166349 Except you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:48:32 2013 No.11166377 >>11166369 >It's happening in the west, why wouldn't it happen in Japan. Because Japan =/= West.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:48:44 2013 No.11166379 >>11166373 Thank you, I think so as well. It will repeat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:49:14 2013 No.11166381 >>11166371 get the FUCK out of /jp/ what the fuck are you doing you cocksucking mongloid you don't understand my glorious /jp/ culture fuck i'm so mad fuck FUCK get OUT holy FUCK GET OUT

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:49:14 2013 No.11166385 >>11166373 That's how the average yankee doodle keeps himself going - ｕｓａ　ｓｔｒｏｎｇ　ｉｍｐｅｒｉａｌｉｓｍ　ｎｒ．１　ｉｍｍｏｒｔａｌｉｔｙ　ｆｉｇｈｔ　ｅｖｅｒｙ　ｄａｙ　ｋｉｋｋｏｍａｎ！

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:49:29 2013 No.11166382 >>11166355 Nice try, but everyone can see you are being too literal to try and avoid what you actually said in your post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:49:44 2013 No.11166383 >>11166375 I'm actually enjoying this since there is no difference between these types f post and shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:49:59 2013 No.11166384 >>11166381 I'm not leaving until I get an answer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:50:14 2013 No.11166386 >>11166373 >>11166377 muh groriosu nihon can't be yadda yadda gtfo weeabs

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:50:29 2013 No.11166388

>>11166382
>Nice try, but everyone can see you are being too literal to try and avoid what you actually said in your post.
Apparently the only thing that your post had to do was mine was some random inference that you pulled out of your ass, with no relation to what I actually said. Gotcha.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:50:29 2013 No.11166389 >>11166358 Nobody cares about Feminism. Go back from whence you came.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:51:30 2013 No.11166393

>>11166384
it's CULTURE you fucking retard do you need fucking explanations for every ritual and tradition that societies come up with holy shit god why can't you people respect the natural development of societies you're one of those fucking autistic fuck i cn'at evne finsih this pot Im; sis mad fuck FUCK FUCK YOU FJFJUREAJGRVIOHERWGO*$#YG$#*OGU

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:51:44 2013 No.11166394 Example of his work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:51:59 2013 No.11166395 and now the shitposters have joined in I challenge you to tell the difference between trolls, ironic shitposters and real posters

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:52:00 2013 No.11166400 >>11166393 Calm down i was just asking a question. Stop being such a crybabby victim.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:52:14 2013 No.11166397 >>11166386 Is this the part where I get angry?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:52:45 2013 No.11166399 >>11166395 Which are you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:53:29 2013 No.11166401 >>11166388 Nice try, but all anyone has to do is read your previous post to figure you out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:53:29 2013 No.11166403 >>11166395 You're supposed to figure it out on your own. /jp/ isn't like other boards where a consensus is needed to out shitposters. If you can't tell then you don't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:53:29 2013 No.11166404 >>11166395 The feminists and this guy >>11166386 are shitposting. There is no trolling on /jp/. Everyone else is serious.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:54:14 2013 No.11166406

>>11166401
>Nice try, but all anyone has to do is read your previous post to figure you out.
I really don't give a shit what you've figured out. Your post had nothing to do with mine. If you have a relevant response to make or a relevant question to ask, go ahead. I'll be waiting. Until then you can call me a feminist shill to your heart's content.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:54:29 2013 No.11166407 >>11166404 Wow so ironic, good job, your the bestest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:55:00 2013 No.11166411 >>11166406 It had everything to do with yours, you just tried to frame it so that it didn't, presumably because you couldn't refute my reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:55:00 2013 No.11166412 >>11166404 Why do feminist think they can gain traction or cause any real disruption on /jp/ of all places? It's mind boggling.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:55:15 2013 No.11166409 >>11166395 Trick question! They were all the same people. >>11166404 Please provide a definition of "shitposting".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:55:15 2013 No.11166410 >>11166389 You're blind if you think feminism isn't anti-otaku by nature. Ignoring the threat will only lead to ruin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:56:29 2013 No.11166414 >>11166410 Yeah, once /jp/ is aware of the terrible feminist thread, we'll do voodoo magic with our newly acquired wizardry and stop the beast in its tracks. But only if we remain vigilant!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:56:59 2013 No.11166417 >>11166410 >threat Don't kid yourself please. Feminism isn't a threat to Otaku or Japan. You guys aren't even on the radar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:57:14 2013 No.11166418 >>11166414 If you don't make it known that feminists are not welcome, they will infest everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:57:29 2013 No.11166419 NEO-FEMINISIM is not FEMINISM.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:57:59 2013 No.11166422

>>11166411
>It had everything to do with yours, you just tried to frame it so that it didn't, presumably because you couldn't refute my reasoning.
You have issued no reasoning so far. You, in order:

1. Asked a question. "Since when did males not have a higher place in society than women?"
2. Issued an insult. "Try reading your own post dolt."
3. Claimed I was backpedaling. "Nice try, but everyone can see you are being too literal to try and avoid what you actually said in your post."
4. Accused me of being something. "Nice try, but all anyone has to do is read your previous post to figure you out."

There is no reasoning here to refute.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:58:00 2013 No.11166426 >>11166425 except in Japan*

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:58:00 2013 No.11166427 >>11166418 >If you don't make it known that feminists are not welcome, they will infest everything. Yes, truly a feminist-free /jp/ will be the shining beacon that protects Japan from the ravening grasp of the female horde.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:58:14 2013 No.11166423 >>11166418 What board are you from man?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:58:15 2013 No.11166425 >>11166419 Starting in 2008 they became one and the same.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:59:15 2013 No.11166430 >>11166428 yeah maybe if you post enough angry rants on the internet about it that will solve the problem

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:59:29 2013 No.11166428 >>11166423 /jp/. I'm sorry if I'm not okay with the destruction of the things I love like you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 06:59:45 2013 No.11166429 How does /v/ fall for this shit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:00:00 2013 No.11166435 >>11166428 You couldn't be anymore obvious. I'm almost tempted to troll with you just to show you the ropes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:00:44 2013 No.11166433 >>11166427 No, but it will make /jp/ a whole lot better. >>11166430 Shut up already, feminist. I only do this to keep scum like you out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:00:44 2013 No.11166434 >>11166422 Still ignoring the actual posts in question. Good job.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:01:44 2013 No.11166437

>>11166433
>Shut up already, feminist. I only do this to keep scum like you out.
You've done a pretty fucking bad job, seeing as how I've been here for years and will be here for more.

>>11166434
>Still ignoring the actual posts in question. Good job.
Can you identify the posts I've missed through link? I will do my best to respond.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:03:00 2013 No.11166441 >>11166437 Why would a feminist even be on the otaku culture board for any reason other than trying to piss people off?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:03:00 2013 No.11166442

I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.

Some rules might be called for when these acts directly affect other people's interests. For incest, contraception could be mandatory to avoid risk of inbreeding. For prostitution, a license should be required to ensure prostitutes get regular medical check-ups, and they should have training and support in insisting on use of condoms. This will be an advance in public health, compared with the situation today.

For necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use. Once my dead body is no longer of any use to me, it may as well be of some use to someone. Besides, I often enjoy rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants).

There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children .

Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:03:29 2013 No.11166439 I knew this thread would hit 300+ posts the moment I saw it but wow I did not see this coming what the fuck guys really?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:03:29 2013 No.11166440 >>11166429 Because feminism is already starting to ruin video games. And people get upset when their hobby gets ruined.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:04:14 2013 No.11166445 >>11166439 It was on track to die peacefully for a while.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:04:14 2013 No.11166446 Oh boy. This thread really went to shit now. >>11166302 Japanese girls are already sluts. Middle school girls are whoring themselves out through the internet to buy the newest fashion stuff. It's not helping birth rates.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:04:59 2013 No.11166448

We are asked to believe that the distribution of child pornography — and I mean real child pornography — leads people to commit sexual abuse of children. But evidence suggests it's not so.

There are two arguments for prohibition of "child pornography". One is that "it was made in a real act of sexual abuse". In some cases, that is true. However, in many countries, the "child" may be an adult, or even nonexistent, since the censorship extends even to drawings. Meanwhile, in the US, the "child" may be 17 years old and taking the photos. This argument does not apply to those cases.

The other argument is based on the supposition that looking at these images leads people to commit sexual abuse. The article casts doubt on that supposition.

Making child pornography through real sexual abuse of real children can be prosecuted without censorship. Likewise selling it in a commercial arrangement with those who made it. There is no reason for the censorship which has generated a witch hunt that has ruined the lives of people not even alleged to have harmed anyone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:05:14 2013 No.11166449 >>11166437 Sure. >>11166333 >>11166339 Men have never gone through a traditional feminism period, you said they did. Japan at the moment is going through one, it's not a movement, but there doesn't have to be one for underlying feminism to exist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:05:29 2013 No.11166450 >>11166442 too bad you spent 2 hours making this post we're ``discussing'' ``feminism'' now

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:05:44 2013 No.11166452 >>11166440 *Western Video Games.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:06:14 2013 No.11166453

>>11166441
>Why would a feminist even be on the otaku culture board for any reason other than trying to piss people off?
To correct posts. If you're >>11166437 and you really want me to leave, you should make a lot more "would you suck it" threads. I hate those. Everybody knows feminists are afraid of dicks. If you manage to reduce /jp/ into an eternal shitposting wasteland I'll probably leave. If you keep making shitty sociology threads I'll certainly stick around.

If you're >>11166434, please answer my question.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:06:44 2013 No.11166455 >>11166439 You are witnessing years worth of perfected trolling, I don't know how they do it on other boards, but this is how it is done here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:07:00 2013 No.11166457 >>11166450 https://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=I+am+skeptical+of+the+claim+that+

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:07:00 2013 No.11166459

So imagine a scenario ten years down the road, as you’re taking a stroll in the park. Your glasses (“mobile phone”) are on, as are mostly everybody else’s. You’re broadcasting and recording what you see in public, as is mostly everybody else, in case a friend drops in on your feed and starts chatting about it, or in case you observe something where you need to back up your story later, if you’re so inclined – kind of why people use dashcams in cars and constantly record everything that happens.
So, on your lovely stroll in the park, you turn a corner, and to your shock, see a 12-year-old being brutally raped right in front of you.
WHAM. You are now a criminal, guilty of recording, distributing, and possessing child pornography. You are now guilty of a crime that carries higher penalties than the rape and molestation of a child right taking place right in front of you.
The rapist notices you and laughs, knowing that you can’t do anything. If you were to call the police and offer to be a witness to the rape taking place before you, you would lose your job, children, and house over the worse crime you have just committed. As you struggle in panic to delete any and all imagery that could be used to convict the child rapist, hoping that nobody was able to make a copy, you see another person coming into view of the rapist and reacting just like you did.
And on the ground, a 12-year old who is being raped watches helplessly as witnesses turn away and delete all evidence of the crime being committed against her.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:07:00 2013 No.11166460

>>11166449
>Men have never gone through a traditional feminism period, you said they did.
What I was intending to convey was that "many Japanese males [also] spontaneously decided that they didn't want to conform to Japanese cultural expectations, because they decided those expectations fucking sucked." Someone else referred to that as a "feminist period," which was a load of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:07:29 2013 No.11166456 >>11166453 Nobody wants you to leave because nobody really cares. Don't flatter yourself into thinking you matter outside of entertainment.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:08:29 2013 No.11166461

“Nobody would get prosecuted for handing in evidence”: There was a famous case in Sweden where a mother recorded evidence of her children having been abused, by filming them playing, documenting what would have been much too advanced sexual play for that age, handed it to the police, and promptly was arrested for possession of CAI. In the meantime, Social Services gave the father single custody of their children, and banned her from seeing them. She was ultimately acquitted from the criminal charges, but Social Services didn’t change their verdict; she’s still banned from seeing her children ever again. I think that only the most heartless of bureaucrats would call such a fate an “acquittal”.
“Nobody would get prosecuted for handing in evidence”, again: In Spain, prosecution of child molesters grinded to a halt as the local police said outright that people couldn’t legally submit evidence of the crime.
Seeing these cases, would you dare interfere? Would you really risk that your children were separated from their parent over your trying to good? I’d argue that most people wouldn’t, and that the current laws therefore protect child molesters.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:08:44 2013 No.11166462

>>11166453
You don't correct anyone, you just spout anti-otaku propoganda, so otaku spout anti-feminist facts back at you. In other words, all you do is trigger shitstorm after shitstorm while you take pleasure from all the attention, just like all girls do on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:08:44 2013 No.11166464 >>11166456 >Nobody wants you to leave because nobody really cares. You literally just said that "I only do this to keep scum like you out." Which is it?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:09:30 2013 No.11166468

>>11166462
>You don't correct anyone, you just spout anti-otaku propoganda, so otaku spout anti-feminist facts back at you.
Please identify a statement that I have made that could be considered "anti-otaku propaganda," and a response made to it that was an "anti-feminist fact," because as far as I can recall no such thing has happened this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:10:30 2013 No.11166471 >>11166462 >You don't correct anyone, you just spout anti-otaku propoganda, so otaku spout anti-feminist facts back at you. This is either a samefag arguing with himself or a dumb crossie trying to fit in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:10:44 2013 No.11166472 >>11166468 I know you're that same feminist who thought girls being treated as sex objects in otaku media was a bad thing. You're the whole reason that one retard started spamming "women are sub-human" threads.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:11:14 2013 No.11166474 I'll even put on a trip for future threads so you all know when it's me.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:11:59 2013 No.11166477

>>11166460
I agree that that has occurred in Japan, but that is not equivalent to feminism in anyway. That also occurred in the West, which is why the west is in the state it is in now (flower power, rock and roll, metal all were conduits to this, whereas in Japan as others have said, perhaps the West is their conduit).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:11:59 2013 No.11166478 >>11166474 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:12:14 2013 No.11166480 >>11166464 Quotations are for quoting people. So, who are you quoting?

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:12:45 2013 No.11166482

>>11166472
>I know you're that same feminist who thought girls being treated as sex objects in otaku media was a bad thing.
That was someone else. In the aftermath I did ask someone to link it to me because I was curious about it, though.

>You're the whole reason that one retard started spamming "women are sub-human" threads.
Yeah, and I suppose I made Sion spam anime screencaps because I told him to fuck off once upon a time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:13:14 2013 No.11166483 >>11166474 Will u suck my cock?

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:14:29 2013 No.11166488

>>11166480
I was quoting >>11166456 and >>11166433.

>>11166477
>I agree that that has occurred in Japan, but that is not equivalent to feminism in anyway.
I never said it was feminism. I said that at some point in time Japanese women became to abandon traditional Japanese cultural expectations. Somebody ELSE called that feminism. I said, "no, that's not a sign of imported Western feminism, because males did the same thing."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:15:59 2013 No.11166491 >>11166488 >I was quoting >>11166456 Which was me. That's why I'm asking who're you quoting? Because I never said anything like what you typed in those quotations.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:16:00 2013 No.11166495

>>11166488
">Only, that is feminism.
Males did the same thing. I guess that's androgysm now."

To quote you. You might not have meant it that way, but that is the way it came out. Also, it's no small wonder you used those earlier tactics, natural bastion of tripfags.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:16:44 2013 No.11166494 Women are gross dude.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:18:44 2013 No.11166497 [DELETED]

>>11166491
Then I confused you for the same person. Still, it's clear that at least one person cares.

>To quote you. You might not have meant it that way, but that is the way it came out.
Here the "same thing" is "the decision not to conform to Japanese social expectations." I was challenging his assertion that such things were inherently feminist through a sarcastic analogy.

>Also, it's no small wonder you used those earlier tactics, natural bastion of tripfags.
Please refer to the "tactics" that I have been using.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:19:00 2013 No.11166506

>>11166491
Then I confused you for the same person. Still, it's clear that at least one person cares.

>>11166495
>To quote you. You might not have meant it that way, but that is the way it came out.
Here the "same thing" is "the decision not to conform to Japanese social expectations." I was challenging >>11166333's assertion that such things were inherently feminist through a sarcastic analogy.

>Also, it's no small wonder you used those earlier tactics, natural bastion of tripfags.
And what "tactics" were these?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:19:30 2013 No.11166502 whch2hwdyfck?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:20:15 2013 No.11166507 >>11165873 It is my only hope that such a society is unsustainable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:20:30 2013 No.11166509 >>11166497 Wow, you really suck at this. At least quote correctly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:22:29 2013 No.11166516 >>11166506 And yet you still argued with me, you took yourself way off topic. >And what "tactics" were these? Things like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:22:29 2013 No.11166517 File: 9 KB, 221x255, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:23:29 2013 No.11166521 >>11166497 >misquote gg

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:23:59 2013 No.11166524

>>11166516
>And yet you still argued with me, you took yourself way off topic.
We never actually had a real argument. I asked you "what does your response have to do with my post", because as far as I could tell, it was nothing.

Instead of explaining yourself you rattled off all the dumb shit in >>11166422, which hardly constitutes an argument..

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:24:44 2013 No.11166528 Typical feminist. Taking pride in being an annoying bitch. The worst kind of normie.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:25:30 2013 No.11166531 >>11166524 >We never actually had a real argument. At least it's convenient for you to believe otherwise.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:25:45 2013 No.11166533 >>11166528 Stop making snippy comments from the sidelines and get down into the shitpile with us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:26:14 2013 No.11166535 >>11166528 >Annoying She wasn't even good enough to qualify as that.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:27:14 2013 No.11166541 >>11166531 >At least it's convenient for you to believe otherwise. Please link me to an argument that you believe I have not addressed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:28:14 2013 No.11166543 >>11166535 It's fun to see them try at least.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:28:29 2013 No.11166544 >>11166541 According to you, we didn't have any.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:30:15 2013 No.11166549

>>11166544
>According to you, we didn't have any.
There were arguments made in this thread. At some point the thread stopped actually being about Japan and started being about mindless shitflinging over semantics.

Perhaps I had an argument with you earlier in this thread, but I can't see any points put out after >>11166339, which is about when everything went to shit.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:33:29 2013 No.11166552

>>11166544
>>11166549
Although if you'd like to continue your claim that the rise of parasite single (females) in Japan is due to the importation of feminism from the West, you can address my response to the second point and we can pick up from there.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:33:44 2013 No.11166553

>>11166549
More tripfag tactics. If you look down the line a bit, it is you that derailed the entire argument. In fact I can see many responses from the post you linked that are actually continuing the argument, but none of yours in response to those that seem to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:33:44 2013 No.11166554 >>11166544 When are you going to stop breathing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:34:44 2013 No.11166555 What's the status of that new bill they're trying to push through?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:36:07 2013 No.11166557 >>11166554 Only when /jp/ is given autonomous reign over itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:37:56 2013 No.11166559 Why are you guys putting sage in the image field when the thread is way paste 300 posts?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:37:56 2013 No.11166560 >>11166555 it doesn't exist everything is happy and wonderful there is no threat everything is perfect no need to worry ;)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:37:56 2013 No.11166561 >>11166557 I don't think you know what that word means, loser.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:38:26 2013 No.11166562

>>11166553
My post: >>11166339. At the time I write this there were four responses to it.

Response 1, >>11166345: I continued this argument all the way down. It became the semantic shitfest and resulted from a miscommunication.
Response 2, >>11166350: "mai glorious nippon can't possibly be becoming westernized oh noez danny choo helppp". Not worth responding to.
Response 3, >>11166449: A continuation of the argument from response 1.
Response 4, >>11166549: My own reference.

Which of these responses "continued the argument" and was ignored by me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:40:26 2013 No.11166566 Keep up the good work NSJ.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:40:56 2013 No.11166568 >>11166560 I can't infer much from your irony. Can you elaborate more explicitly?

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:41:12 2013 No.11166569 >>11166555 Which one?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:41:41 2013 No.11166571 >>11166562 You're so eager. >>11166558

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:41:56 2013 No.11166572 >>11166568 More alarmist bullshit. Take 2!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:42:56 2013 No.11166576 >>11166561 I don't think you could come up with a decent response turbonerd.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:43:26 2013 No.11166577 >>11166571 It's harder to check for misformatting inside the text box.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:43:56 2013 No.11166578 >>11166569 The one involving harsher laws against loli. >>11166572 I'm just looking around.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:44:11 2013 No.11166580 >>11166572 yeah everything's fine ;) no worries :-)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:45:12 2013 No.11166582 >>11166562 More tripfag tactics. You definitely didn't "ignore" any posts, oh no.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:45:57 2013 No.11166586 >>11166580 You said it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:46:26 2013 No.11166587 >>11166582 Would you suck it? Yes or no.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:46:41 2013 No.11166588

>>11166578
Oh, I thought you might have been referring to the TPP provisions that everyone was getting mad about. Do you have a link to a draft of the one you're referring to.

>>11166582
>You definitely didn't "ignore" any posts, oh no.
Could you preemptively tell me which posts you've think I've ignored so I don't have to keep asking you for clarification all the time?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:47:11 2013 No.11166589 >>11166587 Maybe.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:47:41 2013 No.11166591 >>11166587 Are you the guy who keeps posting pictures of his dick?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:48:41 2013 No.11166593 >>11166588 >everyone was getting mad about Where on sankaku? Because you have to be stupid to think there's gonna be a ban.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:49:27 2013 No.11166598

>>11166593
>Where on sankaku? Because you have to be stupid to think there's gonna be a ban.
No, that one had nothing to do with loli. Just copyright provisions. I only mentioned it because I can't remember very many other "otaku-media-related" bills that /jp/ had discussed recently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:52:26 2013 No.11166610 >>11166588 The reply you are responding to is the only one that comes to mind.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 07:54:12 2013 No.11166614

>>11166610
>The reply you are responding to is the only one that comes to mind.
Could you please link the post you're referring to? I have responded to a lot of posts and I'm not completely sure which one.

Or just repost the point you were trying to make and I'll write out a full response. I'd be perfectly happy to jettison this shitty meta-argument and discuss Japanese society again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 07:59:26 2013 No.11166614,1 Why don't feminists just die?

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 08:00:35 2013 No.11166614,2 I'd be happy to continue the discussion here if anyone wants to, although most of you have probably lost interest by now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 08:17:52 2013 No.11166614,3 Tonight, I will dream of dead feminists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 09:03:17 2013 No.11166614,4 >>11166591 No, but I've learned to reply with direct aggression to people who resemble SA regulars.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 09:36:03 2013 No.11166614,5 What a terrible terrible thread. This folks, is what will happen to your civilizations if you give womyn a voice.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 13:40:42 2013 No.11166614,6 >>11166614,4 How's that been working out for you?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:05:50 2013 No.11166614,7 [INTERNAL]

>>11166614,4
SA makes fun of militant feminists just as much as anyone else.

What they don't do is actually act sexist/misogynist. If you're against feminists, crying like a whiny manchild ("waahhh women are whores!") is the worst thing you can do to support your case.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:15:19 2013 No.11166614,8 >>11166614,7 >whiny manchild Filthy subhuman whore detected, kill yourself out of warosu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:16:24 2013 No.11166614,9 >>11166614,7 Go back to SA, mangina.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:17:29 2013 No.11166614,10 >>11166614,6 Very well. My days on the internet have become much more relaxing and I've spent much less time replying to people who produce text only for the sole purpose of gathering replies to nourish their abnormal needs.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:19:19 2013 No.11166614,11 [INTERNAL]

Hey are there any nerdy manchildren in here? Because I am all about nerdy manchildren. I will pretend to like the things they like in order to get attention from these grade-A, neckbearded, emotionally stunted, creepy shut-ins that by and large seem to really hate women. Totally hawt.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 14:21:20 2013 No.11166614,12 >>11166614,10 Not replying would achieve the same thing without giving me an excuse to bump the thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:23:29 2013 No.11166614,13 >>11166614,7 >SA makes fun of militant feminists just as much as anyone else. When's the last time you checked what SA's been doing, 2007?

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:30:14 2013 No.11166614,14 [INTERNAL]

>>11166614,12
>Not replying would achieve the same thing
This is entirely false. You see, a direct, outrageous insult may provoke newbies and outsiders into thinking: "wait a moment, why is this guy suddenly so aggressive?"

People might realize the name of the game faster. The less collective time these gaping black voids waste, the better. Good rhetorical abilities decorate upstanding citizens. Parasites who are guaranteed to devour, on the other hand...

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 14:34:11 2013 No.11166614,15 [INTERNAL]

>>11166614,14
>his is entirely false. You see, a direct, outrageous insult may provoke newbies and outsiders into thinking: "wait a moment, why is this guy suddenly so aggressive?"
Makes sense.

>People might realize the name of the game faster. The less collective time these gaping black voids waste, the better.
This thread was a moderate-speed argument about feminism in Japan until somebody flipped out at me and it became a three-posts-a-minute shitfest about me that went on for three hundred and fifty posts.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:45:25 2013 No.11166614,16 [INTERNAL]

>>11166614,15
>until somebody flipped out at me
Yes, and my spider sense tells me that he was a semi-professional internet combatant who gets kicks from tricking people into doing what they want, which, in this case, meant giving out relatively sane replies that the receiver was already acquainted with. By the way, would you suck it? Yes or no.

>>	Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 14:47:13 2013 No.11166614,17 >>11166614,16 If that's really the case, then we both worked together to demolish a shit thread and that's fine too. >By the way, would you suck it? Yes or no. No.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:53:41 2013 No.11166614,18 >>11166614,17 >and that's fine too. Well yes, but it's not. I cringe every time I see a relatively sensible person wasting his or her time on /jp/. It's a bottomless tarpit full of full-time dickheads who do their thing on purpose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:55:08 2013 No.11166614,19 >>11166614,18 No one wants normies like you around anyways, subhuman.

Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU Thu Jul 11 14:58:27 2013 No.11166614,20 [INTERNAL]

>>11166614,18
I reply to anything that looks like it might have been unironically written by an honest-to-goodness retard. One of the most insensible and easily trolled people around, really.

I only wonder if the thread would have died quietly if I hadn't shown up or whether it'd just be people agreeing with each other for another fifty posts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 15:09:50 2013 No.11166614,21 >>11166614,20 go be trevor somewhere else, fatass

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 15:10:00 2013 No.11166614,22 >>11166614,20 Is this trevors new persona? The name instantly made me think of him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 15:18:44 2013 No.11166614,23 >>11166614,20 Can you quote the non-trip posts you made in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 15:23:19 2013 No.11166614,24 >>11166614,22 Looks autistic enough to be Trevor.

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