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>>9979484

why is she drawn so weird

>>9979479
kinda sad how umineko slowly faded into near obscurity after ep 8

>>9979577
>slowly
Understatement

It got swallowed in its own confusion quickly

>>9979553

Remember when /jp/ was shkanontricefags vs anti-shkanontricefags general?

>>9980344
...no, because umineko was never really discussed on /jp/. Did you mean /a/?

Polite sage for low-tier thread with little opportunity for discussion.

>>9980344
my favorite shitty times

>>9980351
How new are you?

>>9980344
I regularly masturbate to the fact that team shkanontrice was right.

>>9980393
>right
It's like you didn't even read episode 8

>>9980351
Are you serious? The reality was the other way around.

>>9980414
I also masturbate to the fact that team anti-shkanontrice consoles itself with thinking episode 8 is vague enough about everything for them to be right.

>>9980363
are you really asking that question when he shoehorned 'polite sage' into his post?

>>9980423
The anime was probably too shit for /a/ to have ever cared about it anyway.

>>9980435
It really bothers me that I will never get to see any of these scenes animated.

>>9980425
You masturbate to strange things, sir.

>>9980444
>ed.
They would just be animated poorly anyway.

Also, you don't want to end up arguing with someone who has only watched the anime and think they know what they're talking about.

Not that it's much of a problem when nobody talks about it anymore.

Scan and translate the rest of the 3rd episode, weaboos.

>>9980467
>Not that it's much of a problem when nobody talks about it anymore.

A few months back I found an entire imageboard dedicated to Umineko. They don't even talk about it there.

>>9980482
I don't know why that depresses me so much.

I suppose it has literally been discussed to death.
I started reading it because of /jp/, but only started reading it about the time EP 8 was released in Japan.
By the time I got through 1-4 /jp/ suddenly had no more threads about it.

>>9980508
I'm interested to know what kind of views you hold, as someone who never really talked about it in the various shitstorms

>>9980520
I had a really good time with it, that's pretty much all i can really say about it without getting into specifics. It took me a little over a year to complete, since I watched the anime first, I kind of trudged through Ep 1-4..

I won't lie, I'm still not entirely sure what happened in Episode 8.
Was everything just amnesia battlers dream?
I've actually started replaying Umineko, since I'm still foggy on a few things, and I've not really anything else better to do with my time.

we should make a kickstarter to get the last season animated

>>9980550
It's a better idea than 90% of the other kickstarter projects. I'd contribute

I've been trying to figure out how much'd be needed, even if we just had deen animate it but all i keep hearing is mirrons of mirrons of dorras... I think the best bet would to get the whole thing done again in the style of hellsing ultimate, 10 hour long movies

I feel like the whole thing is too metafictional and strange to work very well in animated form at all in the first place.

>>9979553
It's " Why is she drawn so weirdly?"

Damn nerds these days.

>>9979577
Umineko died faster than an African with AIDS after episode 8 on /jp/.

I chalk it up to the series being mostly shit.

Stop talking sporadically about Umineko. It depresses me.
I had so much fun with it and I'll never experience that again.

That said, the whole thing really did suffer instant death after EP8.
Battler's cute, they said. He talks about coming back riding a pony, they said.

I want to have Beatrice's babies.

FUCK i have 2 umineko amv-fanfics that are 90% done but I just can't seem to finish them


I keep quitting the editing with 'who fuckin cares anymore?

>>9980720
I care, Anon

>>9980696
The worst part is that episode 8 somehow ended up being spectacular by the end.
After a shitshow of episode 5,6,7, no less.
I literally dropped the series after 6 and couldn't pick it back up until a little while ago and thought the whole shkanontrice thing was a joke.

>>9980730
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQHXv-b3Izc

it still needs lots of work especially around the bridge but I'm still wondering if the plot is even showing up

>>9979484
>>9979513

Dat fucking laugh 3creepy5me, I really wanted to like Maria but in the end i'm kinda happy Rosa beat her I know that's horrible but I don't think she beat that child enough

>>9980696
same.

i try to enter my own golden land with the BGM playing while waking up in the morning sometimes.

>>9980781
i've broken a few headphones listening to Ricordando il passato... dat fortissimo

I still need to read 8, 5-7 were such a let down. I mean, five was okay I guess, but nothing compared to 1-4.

umineko's ending made me cry and still does when i think about it

>>9980330
I still like R07 art better than any other for Umineko. It's that charming kind of shitty, it really fits.

>>9980778

I miss Umineko.

>>9982196
I don't, the threads were pretty terrible.

I miss the days where (most) people didn't feel entitled to come up with absolutely retarded arguments because everyone agreed Ryuukishi couldn't do something retarded.

Alas, it all changed with EP6

>>9982172

thanks bro, my feel exactly. I bet Rosa would've taken better care or Maria and loved her more if she wasn't so retarded and annoying half the time

I miss stuff like this.

>>9982254

heh

/jp/ Rokkenjima meetup when?

>>9982271
Rokkenjima doesn't exist

>>9982275

I know.

>>9982254
i like it.

>>9982277
I thought you'd go in Battler mode and say "can you prove it doesn't? It's a devil's proof!"

>>9982280

I'm sorry..

Do you like Eva Beatrice?

Was I the only one who liked EP8?
I thought the ending was nice.

>>9982344
people didn't dislike EP8 for what it showed, but for what it didn't.

>>9982372
What didn't it show? The culprit? I thought EP7 practically shoved it down your throat.

>>9982377
It was so retarded that everyone pretended it was just another lie.

>>9982394
Really? I thought kyrie was the culprit since EP4 so EP7 kind of reinforced my thoughts

>>9982408
But you never thought she was a complete idiot didn't you?
She had to be a complete idiot to blindly trust Beatrice as she does in EP7.

>>9982422
Trust beatrice? Sorry I don't remember this part, can you explain?

>>9982408

i had a similar theory but i think the ep7 tea party was just to torture ange and wasnt real, i dont think rudolf is the culprit either. but kyrie being the culprit fits and it's who i personally think did it. the shkanontrice theory is for morons

>>9982434
What is Kyrie and Rudolf motive in the end? Money. Which money where they trying to get? The money in a bank account that for all they knew could have been as well empty. Big fucking WHOOPS! And they said it was impossible to convert gold into money just a second before, but hey, if this servant dressed as a golden witch said she did, why not believe her?! Sure in the end they just needed to kill their whole family and risking the death penalty, no big deal! Totally worth it. Besides why did Beatrice prepared 4 loaded guns for them? Could it be that she wanted the adults to kill each other? Naaah unthinkable. It makes a lot more sense that she needed 4 guns all for herself, right?

>>9982474
I never thought of it that way.
I still think she did it though.

>>9982496
Well I'm not saying she isn't a probable culprit, in fact she makes more sense than everyone else, but the point is that the tea party of EP7 doesn't make much sense, and therefore it can't be considered reliable.

Besides there's the fact that in EP8 you learn that Bern wasn't actually going to state that it was definitely true in red. So it really makes you wonder if that it's true at all...

>>9982074
I also haven't read EP8 (and I followed the series since before the release of EP4. But EP5 was fun as hell. I read it in one sit. The trial was so good. Made my heart pump like nothing before.
With EP6 I started being in denial. Deep down I knew R07 was preparing to rape me in the ass, but I buried all suspicions and just kept my smile until the end.
EP7 took a while to start. The whole thing was basically "I'm being raped but it can't be helped. Time to turn half of my brain off".
EP8 will probably sit there for a long time.

One thing still bothers me: What was up with Battler's red truths in EP4 involving her true mother and there being "Two Ushiromiya Battler"? I'd love the final answer to that.

>>9982867
>One thing still bothers me: What was up with Battler's red truths in EP4 involving her true mother and there being "Two Ushiromiya Battler"? I'd love the final answer to that.

Well you should have been able to understand it already. EP8 just confirmed what most people already realized:

Battler is Kyrie's biological son. Asumu's son who was destined to be called Battler died at birth. Rudolf bribed the doctors of the hospital where Kyrie gave birth to her her own child, and they took it away from her. So Kyrie was told that her son died, while it was actually still alive. Of course that child was called Battler and was raised by Asumu as if he was her son.

>>9982903
then why does he have red hair
checkmate witches

>>9982913
Why does Ange have red hair?

>>9982903
Cool!

>>9982956
she's asumu's daughter

>>9982903
I won't believe anything unless it's stated in red.

Is anyone else reminded of Divina Commedia when they read this? Especially the ending.

>>9983134
Well, it's not like R07 didn't take a bunch of things from it.

>>9983134
There are obvious references to the divine's comedy throughout the story.

Vergilius -> Beatrice -> Bernard of Clairvaux are Dante's guides through the hell to the highest spheres of the heaven.

Additionally the seven sister of purgatory are reflecting the seven sins described in the divine comedy's purgatory. The order of the sins is the same order of age of the sisters.

However there isn't much more than that.

>>9982304
Of course

>>9983347

Good to hear!

Did Ryukishi open the catbox and explain the truth after Ep8?

>>9983505
Why would he do that?

Omg, the one thing I love about the voiced version is how they scream their names

"USHIROMIA BATOOORAAA!!"
"BEATORICHEEEE!!!"

etc
it's awesome!

>>9986627
>ep8 covered most things unless you were borderline retarded.
Then I suppose you can explain what exactly happened in Rokkenjima Prime. And I don't mean spouting a theory by that, but the one actual truth. Because Ryukishi claims that if you investigate deep enough, you can reach a truth that is indubitable. So please do tell, what indubitable truth did you reach after reading Episode 8?

>>9983505
ep8 covered most things unless you were borderline retarded.

Truth itself was never told, but the point was that battler forgave those responsible and neither battler nor eva didn't held a grudge against anyone.

Would you honk Beatrice's breasts?

>>9986978
what breasts?

>>9982438
shkanontrice is true and whoever disagrees is the true moron. episode 7 is all about this undeniable fact, but she didn't actually get around to killing anyone in the real events, because the epitaph was solved before she could.
kyrie and rudolf are the true culprits of the real events, but they weren't the culprits in 1-4 because they were written with yasu as the culprit.
in the episode 8 script, in the scene where snapshots from eva's diary are shown as ange reads it, there are a few hidden images that show stuff like kyrie holding up a gun. in other words, it was probably just like the episode 7 tea party. since the play starts with eva's words, it might just be a reading of eva's diary.

>>9983169
>However there isn't much more than that.
Except that the divine comedy is directly referenced countless times throughout the episodes.

I find it absolutely retarded someone can say "is anyone else reminded of divina commedia" after reading Umineko. That's like saying "did anyone notice there's a character called Battler in this?"

>>9986955
>Rokkenjima Prime
>>>/animesuki/

>>9987025
There's no need to be such an asshole about it.

Now I remember why I don't like Umineko threads: everyone in them has an inflated ego and a hobby for calling anyone who disagrees with them mentally disabled.

>>9987025
No bully, sperglord

Enjoyed the hell out of Umineko, and the threads until about Episode 6. That's when it pretty much became clear to me that whatever semblance of mystery remained, I wouldn't be very pleased with it.

It was like going into a restaurant expecting a very good steak, seeing the steak made by the chef, and then halfway through he starts fucking making you chicken nuggets instead. Ryukishi squandered a lot of potential with the direction he took, which is probably why even Higurashi is looked a bit more favorably upon than Umineko. But I guess my opinion doesn't really matter, it's not like I purchased the novels, so I can't feel too cheated. Staying the hell away from Higanbana and Rose Gun though, not wasting time on an unsatisfying ending again.

>>9987202
Steak is still just steak. There's only so much you can do with it. Why do you use it as an example of a fine dish?

>>9987233
Are you downplaying the intense satisfaction of a filet mignon, or kobe steak?

Because I will fight you, turbonerd.

>>9987269
No, I'm downplaying the amount of skill and effort it takes to prepare good steak. I said nothing of the result. It's not a composite dish. It already comes whole.

What a good time to find this thread, I just now finished episode 8. Been a fan of the series since the release of episode 4 and followed all the threads and releases ever since. Unfortunately the popularity dropped like a drowning slut off a motorboat after episode 8... the translation took longer than usual and by the time it came out no one gave a shit. Nonetheless it was a great run, even though Ryu07 seemed to seal his fate since no one cares about anything he writes anymore now.

>>9987839
No, that's not true.

It's just that his new story is not no naku koro ni-it's just some western eastern mafia thing and, naturally, it's not very appealing even if it's made by him

>>9987855
I dunno that might be a reason, but honestly the incredible lack of interest for Higanbana and Rose Guns Days is hard to explain just by that.

>>9987924
and you think that "peopleZ r butthurt!1!11des" is any reason at all?

also, higanbana is actually pretty successful

>>9987855

The entire Umineko series felt like some weird love letter to the mystery genre. I couldn't help but wonder if he'd ever go on to, say, hardboiled mafia stories or something. And that's exactly what he did from the looks of it.

>>9987940
Let's see. Between

1) I'm not buying more shit from author X because his previous work sucked

and

2) I'm not buying the next work of Author X even though I liked his previous work so much, because it doesn't have the same label.

Which is more retarded?

>>9987961
you are

Joji and Jeshika in da house

>>9988596
What if he had noticed the pads?

>>9987014

how did no-one notice shannon and kanon are the same person in the several years they worked there? how did jessica not notice her only friend and the boy she fancied were the exact same person in different outfits? how did krauss and natsuhi never notice they had 2 servants who looked exactly the same who were never in the same place at the same time?

shkanontrice only works if you assume every single character in umineko is a complete idiot. in the context of the story, ep7 is about explaining who the original beatrice and the beatrice that rosa met were. the rest is nothing but bernkastel's (incorrect) theory.

>>9989223
Kanon never existed in Rokkenjima Prime, not even as Shannon posing as him. This is proven by the fact the Goats in EP8, which represent the humans speculating on the incident, believe he doesn't exist.
This couldn't happen if Kanon was regularly registered in any kind of document.

In the end the whole shkanon gimmick is just something that Yasu wrote in her stories.

Also you shouldn't assume that this story is plausible in any way.

>>9989278
>shkanon gimmick is just something that Yasu wrote in her stories.
I like that and I'll believe it till the end.

>>9989372
That theory might be correct or not, but just because it's used in a fiction in a fiction sense, it doesn't make it less of an awful mislead and just plain bad writing. Metafiction is still fiction and the same criticism of using such a trick can still be applied with Yasu as the target.

Shkannon shit was easily the worst thing in Umineko and it can't just be redeemed by simply claiming lolfiction. The truth about Kinzo made perfect sense and I had faith in Ryukishi to not use the same trick of "X isn't real/is actually dead" since Ep4 but he just went and destroyed it like it was nothing.

>>9989278

That's actually a pretty clever idea, but it does render everything in episodes 1-4 completely pointless since nothing in them matters anymore. If the mystery isn't solvable by what happens in those episodes then what's the point of them?

Hey, guys. Go to archivefoolz and find this thread. I have written a lot of shit there that may help the haters with their hate.

Maybe they stop hating Ryukishi thanks to my explanation. I did what I could...

Shannon didn't fucking have DID. She was just ACTING as Kanon in the gameboards. She doesn't actually have two personalities.

In the real world (Prime), the only people who ever saw Kanon were Jessica's classmates.

Jessica asked Shannon to disguise herself as a boy so she could have "a boyfriend" and not be ridiculed by her friends. Hell, she needed it. She had already said to them that she had one.

Kanon's clothes were big and weird, this is probably to hide Shannon's boobs. Yeeeeah, she had big tits in Prime.

So, Kanon never existed. No one ever saw him in the island. Shannon never cosplayed as him.

Shannon added Kanon (Shannon disguised as a guy) as a character in the message bottles because she felt bad for the lonely Jessica. In these stories, Shannon had been living as Shkanon for years with Genji's help. She couldn't decide what of these two lifes she liked better.

But she was ACTING as two different people with different lives, she didnt fucking have DID, god damn. No one is delusional in this story, for god's sake. Natsuhi? Ange? They don't actually SEE their imaginary friends or kinzos with their eyes, they aren't crazy! God damn, people, stop being so dumb.

It's NOT DID. People are retarded and can't fucking understand this, so they say shit like: "HURR SHKANON IS RETARDED DURR DID DONT WORK THAT WAY LOL NO ONE NOTICED LOL"

She is just acting, for god's sake. Kanon and Shannon almost never are in the island the same day. It's only on big events like the family conference. Also, Genji helps her to keep "being Kanon" without the family noticing (schedules and shit). She wants to fucking act as a boy because she's fucking weird, that's all.

Prime-Yasu never cosplayed as Kanon. The only time when Kanon was actually seen by ANYONE in Prime was in Jessica's school festival. Look at that ugly clothes Kanon wears. They are that way to hide Shannon's boobs. Jessica asked Shannon to act as her boyfried. Shannon said "okay, I'll be a guy called Kanon, remember that name Jessica-sama".

After that, she added Kanon in the message bottles because she felt pity for the lonely Jessica.
All the shit I said about "Shannon acting as Kanon during years with Genji's help" only happened in the message bottles' world and in the forgeries of Tohya.

All the other forgers didn't know the truth and added Kanon as a normal character in their forgeries.

THE FUCKING DID THING IS RETARDED, I CAN'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GUYS CAN'T LET IT GO. GAMEBOARD-YASU LIKES TO ACT AND HAS GENDER ISSUES, LEAVE HER ALONE WITH HER INNOCENT ACTING.

By the way, Jessica's death probably ruined her friends' school lives. Just imagine it. Your energetic, radiant and rich friend dies in a big explosion "along with her boyfriend Kanon" (from their perspective).

They must have felt like shit. Hell, fuck Ange. Gohda's parents and the owner of that shop where Maria bought shit every night must have felt like shit for not knowing the truth about the incident.

Another point to prove my theory:

Japanese people look all the same. It's not THAT weird for Gameboard-Shannon and Gameboard-Kanon to fool Gameboard-Jessica.

As I stated in my theory, she is the only one who needs to be fooled. Every other person living in the island doesn't pay much attention to the servants. And for Jessica, well:

-They look the same because Japan.
-Jessica is friends with Shannon and admires Kanon from the distance (she talks with him a few times, but not very often). Their relationship only grows or even begins during the last family conference.
-Kanon went to the festival "because Shannon convinced him", it's not like Jessica and him were close or anything.

This is all for Gameboard-Jessica, of course. The real one (in my theory) only saw Kanon once, during the festival, and it was all plotted by herself and Shannon. He was just a fake character for her, only useful to fool her friends when they asked about him.

Some people may find this to be bad writting and all that crap, but I actually like it a lot. Kanon becomes a tragic character whose existence was just barely proven in the real world (Jessica's friends) and still very dibious.

Hell, that was the whole point of his sacrifice in EP6. By using Shkanon to solve the logic error (all planned by Battler, BTW), the true nature of Kanon is exposed to Erika and the (slower) readers, making him a very pitiful character.

PS: No, Maria wasn't delusional either. She didn't see Sakutaro with her own eyes. She didn't actually believe in his existence. She just was too attached to the toy and liked to play with it. She is autistic, not retarded.

And no, Batora didn't made everything up. The metaworld was real, the gameboards were his books and most of the information didn't come out of his head. Take the EP7 for example. It was all meta, no one wrote it.

>>9990874
>>9990883
>>9990897
Oh, god. I got carried away. Sorry for the insults, guys.

And forgive my mediocre English, don't use it to attack my theory.

Discussing everything is nosense.

You just need to wait for the end of the Umineko manga.

>>9990905
I like and agree with your theory. Except for the " all Japanese people look the same" part.

>>9990925
-Higurashi SN: Masterpiece in my honest opinion. Ruined/meh'd for a lot of people thanks to Deen. It's sad...
-Higurashi manga: Surprisingly good. A bit exaggerated and forced, though.
-Higurashi anime: I wanna kill myself. Chiaki Kon deserves to fucking die to pay for her crimes against art.

-Umineko SN: A bit less enjoyable during EP6. The whole story turned out good.
-Umineko manga: As bad and forced as the Higanbana manga. Lack of music.
-Umineko an-DOES NOT EXIST.

-Higanbana manga: Bad. Just read the first story if you are a pedophile AND also have a huge rape/humiliation/bullying fetish. It's very graphic.
-Higanbana SN: Really fucking god IMO. Some people may hate it, though (people who have spoiled themselves or people who don't like this kind of story). It's not as good and well done as his previous works. Still, my favorite 7thExpansion novel.

-Rose Guns Days: I have only played the demo. Better than expected, but I doubt I will ever like it nearly as much as the others.

>>9980550
Only if I could donate negative sums.

>>9990986

>-Umineko manga: As bad and forced as the Higanbana manga. Lack of music.

No, just no.

I can understand your problem with the music but the manga is fucking good.

The various artists are great, the art is amazing and Chiru seems even better.

>>9990986
I shed a tear every time I listen to the 8th motion graphic.

>>9990874
>>9990883
>>9990897
Is this some sort of retarded Copy Pasta?

>>9989278
>This is proven by the fact the Goats in EP8, which represent the humans speculating on the incident, believe he doesn't exist.
>This couldn't happen if Kanon was regularly registered in any kind of document.
I hope you weren't serious because that made no sense at all.

>>9990965
Thanks!

I know that's a stereotype, but they certainly "look the same" more than western people.

Talking about stereotypes, I don't have any of that shit against pedos. I am actually one, lol. Sorry if someone felt insulted by this >>9990986
post, I didn't mean anything bad.

>>9991027
What exactly didn't make sense?

By the way, that's my favorite scene in the WHOLE episode. That and Bernkastel being punched and compared to the "reflection of the moon".

All the Ushiromiyas fighting for their honor, all the fictional characters trying to prove their existence against the goats, Kinzo using the lack of witness as a way to prove that he was alive in 1986... It was fucking great!

It made me actually like George. A lot.

>>9991019
Kinda. I wrote it long ago and posted it here.

I wrote another (less) retarded copypasta about the whole Bernkastel confusion created by Deen.

If you guys want it... I made some interesting points.

>>9991019
I really want my ten minutes back either way.

for the longest time i kept reading 'Bernkastel' as 'Bernkanestel' without realizing it

>>9991100
*cackle*

I’ve come here to enlighten you all. This was all confirmed by Higurashi’s sound novels many years ago:

-Furude Rika: weird girl from Hinamizawa who can see Hanyuu. Her personality is killed when Frederica Bernkastel enters in a new world and possesses her body.

-Frederica Bernkastel: Rika after countless deaths and Higurashi’s main character. She is given her name in Saikoroshi-hen (her poems appeared since the first arc, but they were written by Frederica after the end of the series). She also “vanishes” in the same arc (Saikoroshi-hen) in order to become Rika (the weird little girl, unaware of kakeras) again.

This is left to interpretation in Umineko:

-Higurashi was a “game” between Lambda and Featherine. Featherine was the Game Master and Hanyuu was her piece. Lambda’s piece was Takano Miyo.

-Witch of Miracles, Bernkastel: I'll talk about her in the next post.

>>9991159
There are two theories about Umineko Bernkastel, it’s like a small catbox:

1) She is our well known Frederica Bernkastel after separating herself from Rika’s body, thus leaving behind her human emotions and becoming a witch. Her name is just Bernkastel now, since she has nothing to do with Rika anymore. “I’m not Furude Rika, you are a fool if you thought so”. (I believed this theory before reading Higurashi, but I don’t like it anymore)

>>9991168
2) She is the “meta-Rika” where Hanyuu placed all of Rika’s memories after each death. A human mind cannot possibly carry hundreds of years of memories, that’s why Frederica (and Hanyuu) couldn’t remember every single minute of her past lives. That’s why Frederica (always called Rika by anime-only fans) seems to be incredibly wise between her death and the new world, because she is “meta-Rika” during that time and can access all her memories of a hundred years, without the limitations of a human brain.

That’s why she forgot that Takano was the culprit at the beggining of Minagoroshi-hen. At the end of that arc, her new memories were transferred to this “meta-Rika” like always and she possessed the Rika from the final kakera (Matsuribayashi-hen). Frederica won in this world and was eventually put by Hanyuu into a dream-like world known as “Saikoroshi-hen”, where she learned many things before returning to her previous world. Then, she decided to behave like the little girl she should be and stop being Frederica Bernkastel. Thanks to Hanyuu’s powers, she cut her ties with the metaworld (meta-Rika) and lived a normal life.

Meta-Rika, aka Bernkastel, was left alone after her human version (Frederica) defeated Takano. Her last memories (the last time she was updated, so to speak) were those of Minagoroshi-hen (and it’s implied that she used her power of Miracles to create the miraclous kakera called Matsuribayashi-hen).

I really like this second approach. This is the bitch who toyed with Beatrice’s gameboard, the one who painted Kyrie as a complete monster in the minds of most readers. Our beloved Frederica Bernkastel (who probably “vanished” after she decided to become Rika again) is totally innocent!

>>9991173
What do you think, everyone?

>pic not related, I use it to fap sometimes

>>9991183
I envy the goat-kuns.

>>9991173
>Kyrie
>not a complete monster

>>9991276
>Believing Bernkastel's lies

>>9991183
I think your personality is insufferable.

about shkannon: to me there was a major hint given in the love-trial of the two pairs. beatrice asked why thy they'd have to fight in a love-triangle-ish situation when they were actually two separate pairs of lovers.

a good article on the subject:
http://akatokuro.tumblr.com/post/8970136535/thoughts-on-lions-gender
before this aticle i was already pretty sure there may have been something wrong with shannons body from dropping of that cliff and the fact that lion had no boobs whatsoever.
i think this was hinted throughout the game, though i'm really not sure how it works logistically. especially considering the red-truth-personcounts given in the question arcs.

>>9991374
Am I Erika uguu.

So you won't read my theory? Jeez, at least tell me how hard you fapped to Ange being stripped by goats and having her ass sweat licked by them.

>>9991446
The fuck.

bump

>>9991173
Its definitely out there..
I don't. Think there are any real ties to higurashi from umineko.

Battler even mentioned that he had read higurashi in one of the earlier eps.

WHICHES DON EXITS!!1

Does anyone have a link to that Japanese wiki with a last of the red truths? Similar to the wikia one, but obviously in the original Japanese.

What if the Ushiromiya were poor?

>>9995473
They will fight over inheriting the last loaf of bread.

>>9992642

Can you prove that in blue writing?

>>9995473

Then the story would've never happened and everyone minus a few money grubbing members would live happily ever after

>>9995486

Ushiromiya family conference in a children park, Tokyo.

>>9991442
Entire episode 2 is a huge hint.

it's 2012 now. what are the best theories on umineko? the most plausible theory seems to be rosa = beatrice one

>>9995556

>>9995496
>natsuhi hiding kinzo's dead body in the jungle gym

>>9991370
pieces can't act against their nature

>>9996339

Tea parties in the sandpit.

I liked it when only EPs 1-5 had been released, it was still good back then and /jp/ had good discussions about it. I have a pic of some guy finishing EP3 and making a rage post on /jp/ due to him destroying his keyboard out of rage due to the ending where Beato reveals that she was playing pretend.

Then onwards it was shitstorm general.

>>9996553

Can you post it please?

>>9996615

>>9996665
judging by the post count I doubt that's from /jp/

>>9996553
>I have a pic of some guy finishing EP3 and making a rage post on /jp/ due to him destroying his keyboard out of rage due to the ending where Beato reveals that she was playing pretend.
That chapter, man. Fucking BRILLIANT. Such high level, perfectly cultivated rage material is rare.

>>9996665

Poor guy.

>>9996665

To be fair with everything Beato had done up till that point you'd be a retard to actually believe she had a change of heart and would 180 like that

I saw the "I was only pretending to be moe~ battora-kun" from the beginning of that ep

>>9996711
like a fool, I trusted Virgilia
I trusted Rika

complete surprise.

Seriously, I was thinking that since the murderers might be different each episode, even Beato would have a slightly different role each episode. Like how Sh/Mion was in Higurashi.

上げる

Useless.

>>10000037

>>9996665

Good times, good times.

>>9982438
>shkanontrice theory is for morons

It's this 2009

>Hey an Umineko thread
>I wonder if people still theorizing about this shit
>Check Witch Hunt forum
>People still discussion whatever Kanon is really Shannon and some bizarre Kyrie-Rosa theory

>>10001750
there is a 8+ hour video in 4 parts that describes a rosa-george theory on youtube.
it's not that bad actually.

Gohda is the sexiest.

>>10004041
> 8+ hour video in 4 parts
You actually watched such a monster?

>>10004132
i'm still watching
it's not any different from watching a movie every night. (and i'm someone who watches a lot of movies)
you just have to know how to split your time.

Did they release the patch for eps 5-8 already?

>>10004171
It's the videos starting from http://youtu.be/JHMta4YbjSM right?

I might watch it to relive the time when I loved Umineko.

Umineko went to shit after episode 4. The greatness of it was the Battler/Beatrice dynamic, which got drastically reduced with the endless addition of characters. The story became so convoluted that any semblance of a murder mystery was lost. Additionally, the theme of "Did these things really occur because of magic?" was obliterated by entrenching the story so deeply in the magical events.Also the Kannon/shannon/beatrice thing makes no sense unless all of the characters were mentally retarded.

>>10004255
>I might watch it to relive the time when I loved Umineko
well, not sure that it will have that kind of effect. it's just all theories and stuff after all.
to relive umineko i just listen to the soundtrack.

>>10004171
>it's not any different from watching a movie every night. (and i'm someone who watches a lot of movies)

Yeah, except say movie is bad and stupid and boring and makes no sense

>>10004344
>well, not sure that it will have that kind of effect. it's just all theories and stuff after all.
I loved that part of Umineko though and I still listen to the OST regularly enough.

>>10004291
The best thing about Umineko was the meta magic battles, faggot.

>>10004291

More of these? It always cracks me up

>>10004291
Read the huge copypastes earlier in this thread, faggot. It makes sense.

>>10001750
>Witch Hunt forum
What?

>>10004291
I don't know...dressing up as a fictional sibling is somewhat popular in mystery...

The main thing that went wrong with Umineko is that Ryukishi had to change how he originally planned to write it because people already figured out that Kinzo was dead by episode 3, and Shkanontrice was already figured out by episode 4.

>>10005129
Seriously?
Now that I think about it there was a shitload of hints within first 4 eps, but I never figured it out anyway. Was it really a popular theory? I find it hard to believe given the ragestorm that followed later......

anyway, how he planned to originally write it?

I never read Umineko. Some times I thought about giving it a try. I heard it was mostly about magic existing or not, and the protagonist would have discussions about it or some shit. Anyway, then I read that yes it was magic and there are complicated stuff like dimensions or complex bullshit. Then I'll never touch it.
I just hoped it could be Phoenix Wright style and in the end there was no magic.

>>10005161
Ryukishi wrote episodes 1-4 to contain all the hints needed to solve the mystery, so yeah, some had already figured it out. I don't remember Shakanontrice being very popular, but it did have some solid evidence and I remember it always coming up in discussions from around the time episodes 3 and 4 came out.

From what I remember, people were saying Ryukishi was originally going to reveal that Kinzo was dead later, like episode 5 or more likely 6, but people had already figured it out before episode 4 came out, so he re-wrote episode 4 to "reveal" Kinzo was dead. The rest of Umineko, basically episodes 6 and 7, came out of people already figuring out the mystery by the end of episode 4, so Ryukishi was basically playing "catchup" with the people who had already solved the mystery.

What bothered me about this series were a few plot holes. I guess they were really a problem if you were trying to solve it from a mystery/scientific standpoint.

You remember the theories on how the island blew up? Like the boiler exploding or a possible gas leak.

Some gaps left by R07 were:
Kinzo's wife - she should have been present when the baby was thrown from the cliff.)
Eva - how did she manage to excavate the gold, know exactly where to go before the explosion, take Yasu/Shannon's words seriously considering the circumstances,etc

Stuff like that

I haven't caught up after episode 5. Is the culprit the same person(s) in all the episodes?

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>>9991173
Read this shit, everyone.

betalaverga

>>10005283
No. But there are just stories in the story so who cares.

Bernkastel

>>10006294
Let's start unmasking the Metaworld!

Who are the members of the Metaworld?

I watched the Rosatrice video a few days ago and I have to say I like it a lot more than the Shkannontrice theory. The guy who made it goes on to postulate that Ryu's still being deceptive about how it really ends even in the final episodes and in interviews after ep8.

If you can explain everything without making Yasu kill her convoluted personalities, I think it makes much more sense to do so.

>>10005210
If you read it, you will find that such is the case.

>>10005210
TAKE A LOAD OF THIS RETARD

>>10006634
>ched the Rosatrice video a few days ago and I have to say I like it a lot more than the Shkannontrice theory.

Oh for fuck sake, it isn't 2008 anymore, just accept Umineko has a bad solution and move on.

This shit reminds me of ME3 lol ending.

"IT'S BAD SO IT MUST NOT BE TRUE"

>>10009362

So edgy. Take it easy, dude. Being angry for the sake of being angry won't impress anyone here.