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>> No.9984540

I can't read the words because Touhous are on top of them.

>> No.9984565

>>9984517
Me neither. Could OP post the template, please?

>> No.9984608

could op also learn how to work with layers?

>> No.9984672

>>9984608
>>9984565
I didn't do this. I got it from futaba.

>> No.9984679

From left to right:

LAW NEUTRAL CHAOS

Then LIGHT and DARK.

>> No.9984695

>>9984679
Oh were they asking about the words in english? How the HELL can you not be able to read that because of touhous blocking it...

>> No.9984936

I would go for the dark side - they have cookies.

>> No.9984949

>>9984679
>Sakuya is chaos
>Suwako is dark

I don't understand Japanese alignment charts.

>> No.9985023

>>9984949
It's canon

>> No.9985035

>>9984695
I don't speak Sword World or whatever the hell this is. I grew up on AD&D.

>> No.9985039

>>9985023
It's also canon that Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good. I just don't understand the Japanese idea of alignments.

>> No.9985045

>>9984949
Where would you place Sakuya?

And Suwako is a curse goddess, that makes perfect sense.

>> No.9985068

reimu is lawful evil

>> No.9985073

>>9985039
Gilgamesh was a heroic man that led people to prosperity, he just did whatever the fuck he wanted, too.

>> No.9985107

>>9985073
That's not what Chaotic Good means!

>Good characters and creatures protect innocent life. Evil characters and creatures debase or destroy innocent life, whether for fun or profit. "Good" implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.
>A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he’s kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society.

None of that even slightly describes Gilgamesh.

>> No.9985121

>>9985107
It's not what your chaotic good means.

>> No.9985129

>>9985121
That's why I said I don't understand the Japanese idea of alignments.

>> No.9985186

In my opinion:
Sakuya is lawful neutral
Tenshi is chaotic evil
Iku is lawful good
Meiling is lawful neutral
Komachi is lawful neutral
Cirno is chaotic neutral
Shikieiki is lawful good
Youmu is lawful neutral

This chart, overall, is pretty shitty.

>> No.9985213

>>9985186

The only evil touhou is the saigyouji tree

>> No.9985226

>>9985107
They got the chaotic part right at least.

>> No.9985231

>>9985213
Well Tenshi is definitely chaotic, but doesn't fit into the good category. And she was willing to risk the lives of everyone in Gensokyo with earthquakes just to get someone to come try to stop her.

>> No.9985239

>>9985186
How Japan managed to put Sakuya into far-right chaos is beyond me. Honestly there's just so much wrong with it that it's pretty much unfixable.

>> No.9985259 [DELETED] 

>>9985231
It's Light/Dark, not Good/Evil. And since she's a celestial it makes sense she's on the light side.

>> No.9985288

Apparently my top Touhou are Chaotic as HELL.

>> No.9985302

>>9985239
And the disgusting paparazzi tengu is full law.

>> No.9985304
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>>9985231
It's Light/Dark, not Good/Evil. And since she's a celestial it makes sense she's on the light side.

By the way, the earthquake Tenshi generated was extremely localized and only affected Reimu's shrine which almost nobody visits. Compared to the touhous that eat humans she's a saint.

>> No.9985308

>>9985302
Why the hell is China Lawful Good when her boss is Chaotic Evil anyway? LG people do not usually work for people they know are CE.

>> No.9985320

>>9985308
To be fair, I've always wondered how the hell China ended up working at the SDM. She's just so utterly out of place.

>> No.9985336

>>9985045
She is not a curse goddess. She had control over curse gods. Besides, if that's the case, then why is Hina light?

>> No.9985355

>>9985336
>She has the power to control curse gods. When the Moriya shrine came from the outside world, the curse gods came along with it. It's troublesome but since manipulating curse gods is her blessing, there's nothing we can do. If you don't want to be cursed, you have no choice but to worship her.

Suwako operates like the mafia. If you don't give her your faith then bad things will happen to you,

>> No.9985359

>>9985304
I knew someone was going to say this. I can't remember who she said it to, since there were so many scenarios in which she was the ifnal boss, but she said that the earthquake at the shrine was only a test run, and that if no one had come in time she was planning on making an even bigger one that would affect all of Gensokyo.

>> No.9985380

touhou megami tensei alignment chart?

>> No.9985387

>>9985355
It's been stated she cares little or none at all about gathering faith. So as long as she has enough to exist.

>> No.9985388
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>>9985359
You mean her saying things along the lines of "Yes, get angry! Because if you don't punish me, Gensokyo shall be no more!"

She said that in order to goat the other touhous to beat her up. If she really wanted to destroy Gensokyo she wouldn't have advertized her intentions like that. (And it's not as if she couldn't have done it after getting beat up anyway.)

>> No.9985391

>>9985336
>why is Hina light
Hina isn't a curse goddess, she's basically Jesus, except she soaks up curses instead of sins.
As for Suwako, I think it has more to do with her being a chtonic deity.

>> No.9985407

yama should be true neutral along with reimu

and this charts all wrong

>> No.9985408

>>9985388
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody/Story/Reimu%27s_Scenario#Stage_Final

"Oh, that was just to make sure it worked.
Next up is the real thing."

>> No.9985422

>>9985380
Isn't megaten alignement a single axis? Law -> Chaos?

>> No.9985426

>>9985407
>yama should be true neutral along with reimu

If the queen of hell isn't dark, then what does dark even mean?

>> No.9985427

>>9985408
"And you're the disaster resolution specialist. I've been waiting for you."

Tenshi sits and waits for Reimu before going all Evil Overlord and revealing here alleged master plan. If she wanted to to destroy Gensokyo she could have done that beforehand. She wanted to provoke Reimu into beating her up.

>> No.9985440

>>9985427
>>9985388
The fact of the matter is that if no one were to show up to begin with, she was perfectly fine with making a much worse earthquake just to draw out more challengers. Yes, she did only do it for attention, but she didn't know if Reimu was going to show up at all after the first quake.

>> No.9985433

>>9985407

I'd say Shikieki is more Lawful Neutral than True Neutral unless you mean True neutral in that she doesn't work for Celestials or Demons.

>> No.9985435

>>9985426
Sending innocent souls to hell.

>> No.9985437

>>9985433
But she does work for heaven. What are you talking about?

>> No.9985438

>>9985435
She is not the only one who does that.

>> No.9985439

>>9985422

No. Light and dark also exist. Not quite as big a deal though.

>> No.9985443

>>9985422
nope the original had dark and light it was only in smt that they only did single axis

also being chaos or law doesnt mean your good or bad just to make sure to people on this thread

>> No.9985450
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9985450

>implying Cirno isn't Lawful Light

>> No.9985455

>>9985450
She attacks and attempts to freeze humans for fun.

>> No.9985462

>>9985455

>attempts
>implying Cirno isn't just balancing karma

>> No.9985470

>>9985455

>55

nice try kog, i see through your clever deception

>> No.9985474

>>9985437 But she does work for heaven. What are you talking about?

Ah, thought the Yama was independent from heaven or hell.

Still would say she's Lawful Neutral as she has a pretty structured method in determining what souls go where, and she doesn't whimsically decide to punish or reward beyond what her system allows.

>> No.9985475
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9985475

Here /jp/ I made an alignment grid template for you. Now can we please fix this abomination of chart?

>> No.9985479

>>9985475
But now the real problem is that we have to find some sprites to use for the chart.

>> No.9985502

>>9985479
1. Pick your favorite booru board
2. Search for "touhou absolutely_everyone"
3. Pick a sprite sheet that looks complete
4. ???
5. Profit!

>> No.9985511

>>9985440
How can you be sure of that? Tenshi is only playing with the other Touhous, as evidenced by the fact that she throws most of the fights against them. You can't trust what she tells them.

>> No.9985515

>>9985475
>Good/Evil
please don't try to inject western morality in Touhou.

>> No.9985521

>>9985479
you should already have touhoumon sprite sheets at the very least.

>> No.9985523
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9985523

>>9985502

Fuck off with your /b/ memes you faggot

>> No.9985544
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9985544

>>9985515
ok

>> No.9985548

>>9985523
It's from south park, you newfag.

>> No.9985555

>>9985544

What is wrong with light and dark, you dunce?

>> No.9985592

How shikieiki is not in neutral is beyond my comprehension

>> No.9985601
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9985601

>>9985555

>> No.9985603

>>9985592
Shikieki is nowhere near neutral.

>> No.9985608

>>9985592
She's a king of hell.

>> No.9985628

>>9985380
Yeah. It has the tribes and everything.

>> No.9985625

Why the fuck is this thread filled to the brim with secondaries? Yamaxanadu, king of hell? Suwako a curse god?!

>> No.9985641

>>9985625
>Why is Touhou thread filled with secondaries
I wonder.

>> No.9985643

>>9985636
I like how Koishi is both Chaotic and Dark, when due to her power she is the best example of True Neutral.

>> No.9985636

>>9984517
Lunar war criminals ranked as "light"?

>> No.9985690
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>>9985628
Actually, where can I find this template? it has a lot more clans than usual.

>> No.9985748

>>9985690
After checking, it seems like SMII chart since it has the Virus and Gaian clans.

>> No.9985822
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9985822

Here's a start. Cant think of any lawful-dark candidates off the top of my head.

>> No.9985863

>>9985822
Moon bitches?

>> No.9985866

>>9985822
Why isn't Meiling dark? She eats people!

>> No.9985872

>>9985636
The Japanese have no concept of war crimes.

>> No.9985880

>>9985872
Should have killed their fucking Emperor by a short drop noose.

>> No.9985881

>>9985863
Not sure about this because I'm not good with this type of stuff but...

Lawful neutral?

The way I see it they are civilized people who don't just do random stuff, and also they won't go out of their way to harm others and mainly act in defense, so this seems like the best option.

>> No.9985893

>>9985881
>The way I see it they are civilized people who don't just do random stuff, and also they won't go out of their way to harm others and mainly act in defense, so this seems like the best option.

Civilised people don't kill peasant lovers. Civilised people don't engage in animal experimentation.

>> No.9985896

Okay, so is anyone finally going to attempt to explain what "light" and "dark" (or "law" and "chaos", for that matter) mean for Japanese? Thread's kinda pointless without it.

>> No.9985897

>>9985881
Koishi should be full on Chaotic, and smack in the middle. She is the epitome of the Wanderer and the free spirit; no worries, no concerns, just freedom.

>> No.9985901

Alice - the seven coloured puppeteer.

>> No.9985908

>>9985897
She's not against order and authority. She's just above it. Still true neutral.

>> No.9985915

>>9985893
>Civilised people don't engage in animal experimentation.

But that's not true. The United States of America is civilized, and we engage in animal experimentation.

>> No.9985924

>>9985872
>The Japanese have no concept of war crimes.

Didn't some of their Class A war criminals end up elected to the Diet after their prison sentences were up in postwar Japan?

>> No.9985929

>>9985915
>The United States of America is civilized
>civilized
>z

I'm sorry, but the United States of America is decivilised, they quite obviously live in sub-urbs.

Also, as you identify as a United States of American it is hard to take you seriously.

>> No.9985936

>>9985924
IOSYS "Former class-a war criminal" 東方風櫻宴

>> No.9985940

>>9985822
Why is Sakuya closer to evil than good? What about those incidents she's helped solve?

>> No.9985942

>>9985940
she lives in a devils house and cooks people for the mistress

>> No.9985943

>>9985936
...what? How on Earth is that an actual song? I thought you were just making fun of me.

>> No.9985944

>>9985929
A suburb is your concept of a lack of civilization? Do you live in some sort of futuristic utopia or something?

>> No.9985945

>>9985908
You do not have to actively oppose the law to be chaotic. She disregards Lawfulness, it means nothing to her. The passively opposes it; not out of intent, but just out of nature.

>> No.9985955
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9985955

>>9985924
>>9985943
It is Stickyecstacy Yabbadabbadoo's theme.

>GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!
>NO SNACKS FOR THE NEXT THREE WEEKS!
>BANANAS DO NOT COUNT AS SNACKS!
>YOU MAY BE ELECTED TO DIET

There's a lot of Korean, Chinese and Communist Japanese resentment about those trials.

>> No.9985957

>>9985944
Do go read what the definition of civilisation is.

>> No.9985964

>>9985896
law and chaos are their world views

law seeing the world as needing absolute order

chaos is ultimate freedom of will no one dictating your motives but yourself

>> No.9985973

>>9985936
>>9985955
That is in incredibly poor taste.

>> No.9985975

>>9985973
Those are the lyrics to a different song.

>> No.9985979

>>9985973
The war crimes trials of the class-a war criminals in the East and the composition of the Japanese state were in incredibly poor taste.

Don't ride my arse, take it up with MacArthur.

>> No.9986009

>>9985107
This just in: D&D sucks at alignments.

>> No.9986019

The 9 alignment system is flawed and ridiculous. Most of the time you can't just put someone into one side. Characters, even fictional ones, can act differently to different situations, and not necessarily within their specified alignment domain.

See, this is why 4e is best e.

>> No.9986021

>>9986009
It's their system

>> No.9986024

>>9986009
No game that has alignments does them better, and most alignment substitutes (like V:tM's ridiculous system of "paths") are far worse.

>> No.9986025

>>9986019
But at least we can agree Gensokyo is Grimbright

>> No.9986033

Light and dark doesn't even make any sense. What the hell is it supposed to mean?

>> No.9986034

>>9986019
You mean first edition. You only had three alignment in that one.

>> No.9986036

>>9986033
It's talking about their clothing.

>> No.9986046

>>9985945
And acting "out of nature" is neutral by definition. You do not have to actively oppose law (you can be passive agressive about it, for example), but you have to oppose it period, and do it as an informed choice. Koishi neither opposes anything nor makes conscious choices. She literally just goes with the flow (well, the flow is still metaphorical, but the going is literal).

>> No.9986048

>>9984517
Why is Japan so terrible at making Touhou charts? Nothing they make is ever even close to being accurate, this is honestly worse than that power level chart.

>> No.9986056

>>9986046
>And acting "out of nature" is neutral by definition.

You are wrong about this. Unless you are an unintelligent creature, saying "it's your nature" doesn't have any bearing on whether or not something reflects your alignment. You can have a lawful nature or a chaotic nature.

>> No.9986060

>>9986024
That really doesn't change the fact that the D&D alignments themselves are retarded. If I were to make an alignment chart I sure as fuck wouldn't use that shitty arbitrary system to do it.

>> No.9986067

>>9986060
That doesn't change the fact that D&D is good at alignments. You may think that alignments are a bad idea to begin with, but no one else has ever done them better.

>If I were to make an alignment chart I sure as fuck wouldn't use that shitty arbitrary system to do it.
That's because you aren't a Jehovah's Witness and don't read sword & sorcery fiction.

>> No.9986104

>>9986067
Yes, it's the most polished turd in the world. That certainly doesn't make it good by the standards of anyone with common sense.

And frankly, I'm doubting D&D even does the "best alignments in any game", however I'm not going to open that can of worms here because it's besides the point entirely.

>> No.9986099

>>9986034
But 4e's alignment system works in a fundamentally different way than its predecessors, and that's what I'm gearing at.

Besides, only having law vs chaos isn't that much fun, to be honest. Not to mention only having those three alignments meant that we have a lack of scope in describing the full picture.

>>9986060
I'm telling you, 4e's alignment system actually makes sense (which is surprising).

>> No.9986108

>>9986056
Only Koishi is an "unintelligent creature". Well, she isn't, but that's just semantics, and your use of "intelligent" is misplaced. "Conscious" or "sentient" probably gives a better idea when you know what Koishi is.

>> No.9986113

>>9986099
It's not entirely different, it's just limited to NG, LG, NE, CE, and TN. Like everything in 4th edition, they just took away options for no reason.

>> No.9986129

>>9986048
This one is actually more or less accurate when it comes to the megami tensei clans rather than the alignment.

>> No.9986131

>>9986113
LE was a retarded alignment to begin with. In practice it just meant "evil, but has a job for the military or the government."

>> No.9986143

>>9986131
I thought it was intended for people like Hitler and Stalin.

>> No.9986151

>>9986143
And lawyers.

>> No.9986165

>>9986131
It was more for villains who still acted honorably. Like someone who would kill all the fighting men in a village, but spare the elderly, women and children.

>> No.9986162

>>9986151
And moonbitches.

>> No.9986177

What does "Light" and "Dark" even mean?

>> No.9986183

>>9986131
Your argument is not as much showing the alignment being retarded as it is showing the people being retarded. And that 4e was being hand-tailored for retarded people to avoid confusing them. Was that your intention?

>> No.9986196

>>9986099 here

>>9986113
No, in 4e, alignment is supposed to be more like about the character's ideal and goals and what their fighting for and shit. It's what the character believes in, and not the nature of the character themselves. It's a subtle difference, but one that's very important.

It's not like a descriptor where you're LG and suddenly you are expected to do everything in a lawful and good manner, and doing anything else would result in an alignment shift, no matter how reasonable it is.

It's more like you're fighting to upheld law or freedom or chaos or some shit, and you have some leeway to do stuff outside your alignment, so long as you're still on your alignment's side. Incidentally, LG here is more like simply Lawful, whilst in the same vein, CE is more like simply Chaotic (because they assume that chaos is bad and law is good, I guess).

>> No.9986197

>>9986177
Exactly what it means.

Dark is for icky things like bugs and frogs and vampires and ghosts and stuff. Light is for sluts.

>> No.9986216

>>9986177
From what I can tell, not a single person knows what it means at all. I find it funny that Rumia isn't one of the darkest though.

>> No.9986220

>>9986196
>they assume that chaos is bad and law is good

But you said it makes sense.

>> No.9986223

>>9986196
"Having a bad day" was in the rules for alignment. You could be lawful good, yet act chaotic occasionally. It's only an issue if the DM feels you are no longer lawful anymore.

>> No.9986240

>>9986197
It could mean good or evil, but that would be stupid too since you can't really apply these 2 terms to Gensokyo

>> No.9986277

/tg/ pls go

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>>9986277

>> No.9986320

>>9986220
Well, yeah, I agree that part is dumb; I guess during the designing process they thought that lawfulness and good are inherently related somehow. But if you simply handwave LG as just Law and CE as Chaos alone, then it's all fine.

>>9986223
"Having a bad day" doesn't result in an alignment shift, yes. "Killing a whole town full of decent people cursed with lycanthropy when you visited during a full moon" or "ignoring the plight of slaves because the BBEG is close to finishing whatever he's doing" does, though, because you're expected to do different things (not necessarily sensible) in these situations based on your alignment.

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>Byakuren not chaotic evil

>> No.9988103

>>9988038
>Miko not chaotic shitty hair

>> No.9988106

>>9988038
This is what Taoist subhumans actually believe.

Also, W R Y Q dude.

>> No.9988118

>>9986197
What kind of alignment criteria is that?

>> No.9988127

MEME ARROWERS PLS GO

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9988837

>Kaku Seiga not Chaotic Dark Evil whatever

Good... good...

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9988843

Nobody suspects.

>> No.9988862
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9988862

>>9988843

Nobody ever does

>> No.9988865

>>9988837
This doesn't even have TD you secondary faggot.

>> No.9988875

There's no EVIL or GOOD in the template. STOPP.

>> No.9988871

>>9988865
Please do not bully.

>> No.9988879

>>9988837
Who are you quotin?

>> No.9988883

Yuyuko...dark

I DON'T THINK SO FAGGOT

>> No.9988885

>>9988879
Quoting my mind, nerd.

>> No.9988893

>>9988885
>>>/a/
>>>/v/

>> No.9988906

yuyuko isnt exactly lawful

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9988916

>>9988885
That's not how quoting works dumbfuck, you "quote" your mind when you freaking type the words normally. Holy fuck you are retarded.

>> No.9988942

>>9988916
Are you happy you get to sperg out now?

>> No.9988954

>>9988942
You won't get out of this by victim blaming. You are disgustingly wrong no matter what you say. Go back to the board where you came from.

>> No.9990630

>>9988942
gb2>>>/VIP/

>> No.9990715

Kisume is evil bucket and should be bottom right.

>> No.9990911

Yama is as far into Lawful as it is possible to go. She is also both very Good and very Neutral.
She wishes for everyone to be on the perfect Lawful Good axis. This makes her Good. However, as the Yama, she cannot judge people in a non-neutral manner. She forces herself to act in a perfectly Lawful Neutral manner, despite inwardly being Lawful Good.

Suika and Koishi should be holding hands in the Chaotic Neutral extreme. Koishi is chaotic because of her complete and utter disregard for laws and rules. Suika is Chaotic because FUCKING PARTY HELLS YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS.
And neither of them gives a shit about this "good" and "evil" crap. Koishi probably has no notion of the concept, and Suika thinks it is easier to just let the people who care sort that kind of thing out.

Kazami doesn't even belong on the table. Neither does Yukari. The morals of mere mortals simply do not apply.

Mima is the Evilest and the Chaosest of the bunch.

Sakuya belongs in perfect Lawful Neutral. Her morals consist of her duty to her mistress and little else. She will do things that are, incidentally, evil or good, simply because her mistress requires it.

>> No.9990953

>>9988865
Seiga - NE
Tojiko - ???
Futo - CG
Miko - NG

>> No.9990971

>>9990953
>Miko - NG
Miko, please leave.
Having people spread a religion simply because it will keep the people passive during your rule is in no way neutral or good. CN is much more accurate.

>> No.9990983

>>9990971
She came into Gensokyo ready to take charge and become leader, but once she learned that they weren't in need of a leader, she backed off. She's did / is doing what she believes is best for Gensokyo.

>> No.9990991

>>9990911
Listen to this Little Girl

>> No.9990988

>>9990971
Are you seriously calling Miko chaotic?

>> No.9991010
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>>9990971
Miko is about as far-flung from Chaotic as you can get, I would even go so far to say that she's Lawful, or at least very close to it.

>> No.9991015

>>9990911
>Kazami doesn't even belong on the table. Neither does Yukari. The morals of mere mortals simply do not apply.

I have to agree here.

>> No.9991030

>>9991010
>>9990988
Yeah, I wasn't thinking about chaotic/lawful properly. Her ambition clouded my mind.
She is still definitely not good, though. LN seems a bit more accurate, but still doesn't seem to fit to me.

>> No.9991059

>>9991030
I don't think we know enough about her morality, apart from the fact she does believe in rule by law; LN seems to fit for now in the same way we can only really say Byakuren is a NG.

>> No.9991068

>>9985940
She kills humans to feed her mistress even though she's a human herself, doesn't she?

>>9990715
She's just young and attacks humans because of her instincts. Kinda why she's like Rumia but less chaotic

>>9990911
And I quote:

"crazywwww"
- sparky

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>>9991059
>Byakuren is a NG.
Byakuren pls go

>> No.9991086

>>9991074
She's trying to look like it, is what I meant; much like we don't know much about Miko's real morality, we don't know much about what's behind Byakuren's facade, only that that facade seems to be NG.

>> No.9991090

>>9991086
At least we have 13.5 which will, hopefully, clear things up.

>> No.9991095

>>9991059
> Byakuren is a NG.
Byakuren is a nigger?

>> No.9991101

>>9991090

Seconding that; Post-mysticism just added more speculation fuel than anything.

>> No.9991106

>>9991101
Which is probably why hoping 13.5 will actually answer anything is hopeless.

>> No.9991109

>>9991068
>She will do things that are, incidentally, evil or good, simply because her mistress requires it.
She cares not for doing evil or good, only following the orders of her Mistress. TPE is the lawfulest and neutralest that it is possible to be.

>> No.9991161

>>9991109
She doesn't do everything exactly as her mistress wills. She has her own take on things. Eirin does most things the princess wants but saying that she's true neutral because of it would be silly.

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>>9991161
>Eirin

More like former class-a war criminal. Am I right?

>> No.9991241

>>9991199
New Eirin is pretty good.

Old Eirin was very evil.

>> No.9991244

>>9991106
>>9991101
>>9991090
>>9991086
>>9991059
>>9991030
>>9991015
>>9991010
>>9990988
>>9990983
>>9990971

You Miko and Byakuren fags have to argue in every single thread?

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>>9991241
Yeah, and the Diet didn't persecute communists and wasn't a single party state.

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>>9991244
unfortunately

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>>9991281
Considering she wouldn't even bat an eye to anyone's pleas, but is said to help the human villages' doctors now, I'd say she's changing.

>> No.9991329

>>9991303
Even Hitler loved dogs. Given that she's continuing her research programme, the one that got her exiled, I don't think we ought to trust her any further than we can 1cc time-out no-bomb on lunatic when she's EX-.

>> No.9991341

>>9991329
The research program is already over. She invented the medicine that does everything. These days all she does is play around with fun stuff.

>> No.9991382

>>9991341
Menegle played around with fun stuff too. Just because Eirin isn't being immediately nasty doesn't change her Neutral Darkness.

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Lily should be Chaotic Light

>> No.9992252

>>9991241
>>9991341
Eirin is still evil. She just has what she wants now, so she doesn't need to hurt anyone.

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I always perceived the older PC-98 Yuuka as the true eviler and bloodthirsty one. Like how everyone perceives Yuuka as some threatening Youkai who brutally attacks people on site, that's the older one. She is the one that says comments like "Genocide is just a game."

But eventually she changed into a more passive and less-violent person, as in the newer PoFV Yuuka. The newer Yuuka does things like go to the human village for supplies and such. So she is much nicer now and probably won't kill you. Most obvious difference is the change in hair length, hence CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.

That's just my take on things though.

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I don't think Youkai should follow the same Y-axis as everyone else.
As you know, Youkai are born to prey upon humans, so the Y axis for them should reflect their attitude on that.

Something like humane - competing/harmonious - predator.
Humane would be someone who does not care for their youkai well-being, infamy, or abilities, but are focused on humans. Alice, Meiling, Patchouli, Hina.
Competing/harmonious would be the youkai who create incidents for the sake of gathering infamy and fear, so they may continue to live as youkai. Various youkai who cause minor trouble fit here. Suika, Aya, Mystia.
Predator. The ones who don't care about the well-being of humans and are true to their youkai nature, Medicine, Rumia, Yamame, Kisume.

>> No.9992536

>>9992306
>She is the one that says comments like "Genocide is just a game."

Isn't all that just banter?
Or did ZUN just apply to the windows series?

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>>9992306
I still see Yuuka as a psycho and the most dangerous youkai to approach.

>> No.9992600

>>9984517
Why the FUCK is Shikieiki under dark? If anything, she's the only true neutral in Gensokyo.

>> No.9992606

Shikieki is most definitely not a dark aligned creature.

>> No.9992634

>>9992600
>>9992606
Secondaries behold

>> No.9992660

>>9992634
Did you even play PoFV asshole?
Did I miss something in the dialogue? She's the Enma, right? They're not dark, are they?

Perhaps I am just misunderstanding something here...

>> No.9992713

>>9992660
it was gone over already in this very thread

>> No.9992762

>>9992713
No it wasn't, shitlord.

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>>9992502

I like this idea.

>>9992306
>>9992536
>>9992561
>Isn't all that just banter?

She says "genocide is just a game" in Mystic Square, after beating Yuki and Mai if I recall correctly.

But seriously though, she's just being humorous, with little regard to if anyone else but her finds it funny. I think Yuuka is just extremely sarcastic and enjoys acting devilish and threatening around people. ZUN depicts her and Yukari as "the more youkai-like youkai", and they both like to act mysterious, provocative, and lie a lot. If you read Yukari's dialogue in CoLA and her game appearances, and Yuuka's dialogues, they're very similar.

I think the psycho, sadistic murderer thing that spawned from the lowest human friendship level in PMiSS grew way out of proportion. She may be dangerous as a "youkai-like youkai" and enjoy picking on and teasing people, as PoFV made clear, but she won't RIP AND TEAR through people for no reason.

>> No.9993976

>>9992762
yes, people have discussed why enma is dark in this very thread

scroll up, retard

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>>9993963
What a lollercaust. Millions won fabulous prizes. I guess Nanjing and the rape of Korea didn't happen?

>> No.9993992

>>9993986
I don't understand what in particular you're responding to.

>> No.9994002

>>9993992
>>9993986
>She says "genocide is just a game" […]
>But […] she's just being humorous

Does this assist you in my response?

>> No.9994011

>>9994002
Okay, but how does her statement that genocide is a game for her indicate that she's denying the Rape of Nanking?

>> No.9994036

>>9994011
PoFV references which past incident………? And the forgetting of the incidents iRL that relate to that Gensokyo incident………?

It is a pretty simplistic analogy which is directly present in the game.

>> No.9994058

>>9994036
What the hell are you on about?

>> No.9994064

>>9994058
Delicious warcrimes.

>> No.9994068

>>9994036
But that quote wasn't from PoFV.

>And the forgetting of the incidents IRL that relate to that Gensokyo incident?
Pretty fucking sure WWII didn't come to Gensokyo because people forgot it happened.

>> No.9994095

>>9994068
So why are touhous driving tanks, and why can Keine revise history? And why are Yama Xanadu's sentences so light?

>> No.9994134

>>9991303
>but is said to help the human villages' doctors now

Mengele practiced non-evil medicine too, you know.

>> No.9994141

>>9994134
And Hitler loved dogs. He still killed his niece during sex.

>> No.9994145

>>9994141
I thought she committed suicide due to him keeping her locked up (doubtlessly for sex).

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>>9992600
>Why the FUCK is Shikieiki under dark?

Because she is the king of hell.

>> No.9994166

>>9994145
Sounds like murder to me. Given Hitler's practices, the trapping is part of the act. We don't need to dig Lacan out to go that far.

>> No.9994180

>>9994095
>So why are touhous driving tanks,
They made them, why wouldn't they drive them?

>and why can Keine revise history?
That's not her power.

>And why are Yama Xanadu's sentences so light?
What sentences?

>> No.9994199

What the? Kanako is 100% lawful good but Suwako is 100% lawful evil?

>> No.9994227

>>9994199
"impure"

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