/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Irotoridori no Sekai - 42,560/51,100 (83.29%) lines translated, full common route, Kana, Tsukasa, and Kyou route translated, prologue patch released
Kanojotachi no Ryuugi - 1221/28555 (4.28%) lines translated
Koitate - Ren and Yukino’s route patch released
Kud Wafter - 6202/33132 (18.72%) lines translated
Kurukuru Fanatic - 11.5% translated
Little Busters - Original released, work ongoing with EX./ME content, now a joint project with Doki
LoveMail: 13.6 % translated, 0% edited.
>Majikoi- Yukie + Chris + Momoyo + Wanko + teacher route patch released, Miyako route 70% translated
>Majikoi S- Monshiro, Margit, and Kokoro routes patch out, Kosugi route is being translated
M&M Enchanting Magic & Sweet Charms- 92%
Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Trial patch released, work on the full game planned
Maman Kyoushitsu - Being translated
Mirai no Uta to Tsunagaru Hitomi - 50% through the first past
>Natsuyume Nagisa -
>Oreimo PSP - Youtube based project, part 94.5 out
Pandora no Yume - 20% translated, engine hacked, scripts need to be extracted
Parfait- Translation planned
>Princess Maker 5- 58% translated
Pure Pure The Story of Ears and Tails- Sachi Patch released, 85.48% translated
>Rance 3 - 39% Complete
Rance 6 - 51% Complete
Rance Quest - New translator working on it with overall progress 9356/110000 Lines (8.5%) Complete.
>Rewrite - 80209/101220 (79.24%) lines translated, common route patch out, Kotori/Chihaya/Lucia/Shizuru routes translated
Rose Guns Days‬ - Demo released
>Sapphism no Gensou - 56 scripts translated
Se-kirara - Being translated
Sensei Da-isuki 2- roughly 25% translated, still active

Shinigami no Kiss wa Wakare no Aji - Fully translated, 2 routes of editing and technical problems remain
>SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 33178/54201 (61.2%) lines translated and 32884/54201 (60.7%) lines edited
>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 6- fully translated and through TLC/edited/QC beta patch out
>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 8- fully translated and TLC/editing, 14/18 scripts QC, beta patch out
Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 9- 5/18 scripts translated
Sumaga Special - KBs done: [1156.45kb/8131.54kb] (14.22%)
Tenshi No Inai 12-Gatsu- "Maho route fixed"
>Tenshin Ranman - 464.1/4560 (10.18%) KB translated, 166/4560 (3.64%) edited
To Heart2- 63% translated- "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", new alpha patch released
Touka Gettan - translation status: ~40% translated
Welcome to Pia Carrot 2 - 1st draft translation 35%, as it was found much of the script was originally not dumped
>White Album 2 - Overall: 4541/70253 (6.46%) lines translated, Introductory Chapter: 4541/10769 (42.16%) lines translated
World End Economica - 11/80 Scripts (1070/~11,478 lines; 98/914 KB)
Yandere - Fully translated, 42.7% edited
Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na - 100% translated, 44% edited
>Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 0.1%, Kazuha 88.7%, Akira 30.2%, Motoka 0.8%,

Aroduc's secret project - New project page listed
>Rance Translations secret project - 72% complete

Official work

MangaGamer
Otoboku - November 23rd release
Eroge - In Beta, Winter release
Harukoi Otome - Through beta, Winter release
SSSS - In Beta, Winter release
Orion Heart - 100% translated, in insertion, 2013 release
Slave Witch April - Through beta, 2013 release
Ef: The Latter Tale - being worked on
Secret title - Being translated, requires porting to a different engine
Secret title 2 - Being translated

JAST
>Moero Downhill Night Blaze- Golden Master
Yumina the Ethereal - "- All game data translated. Testing.", release "Maybe this year"
>Saya no Uta - 99% complete, have uncensored CGs
Hanachirasu - 99% complete
Django - Couple more months of translation
Kikokugai - Working out issues
Sumaga- 57.33% complete, going through retranslation
Seinarukana- Translation expected to be complete by end of year. Testing to follow, ~44% translated
Starless - Work ongoing
Trample on Schatten- In translation
Muramasa - Common route complete, 2 of 5 chapters towards true end translated, uncertain what will come from the project
Steins;Gate - QC: 46/175 scripts, Jast may pick up the project

Other
Liar Soft would like to bring Steampunk titles over
The Night of Kamaitachi - release planned

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A tracker for these threads put together by Tinfoil: http://vntls.tindabox.net/

Hello, go clean up the board now, ``please''.

>>Natsuyume Nagisa -
What?

THANK YOU OP
All day I have been waiting

I wish something was released this wek

>>9985365

>>9985356
hes the janitor?

So any reason why ierxc has been going so slow these days? what happened to him? why did you choose to do this long ass 7/10 game when he could do shorter better games.

>>9985365
Project started I suppose.
Hitsuji rejoices.

>>9985478
It's key and ROMEO, so e-penis is the only reason.

The best thread of the week is-
Bah, who am I kidding. I'll start reading VNs again, but not this week.

>>9985478

Busy with RL stuff.

opps, it should be
>Natsuyume Nagisa - Translation started

>>9985483

Isn't it rather depressing?

>>9985504
The true end, yes. More bittersweet than anything, but you can't complain because the game made it evident.

>>9985488
For some reason I read this as >busy with BL stuff

>>9985323
>>Princess Maker 5- 58% translated
I am so happy.

>>9985702

Who knows what he and Sheeta get up to.

>>9985333
>>Saya no Uta - 99% complete, have uncensored CGs
>uncensored CGs
Weird penises incoming. Not that I can say mosaics is all that much more pleasing to look at either.

>Princess Maker 5- 58% translated

HOLY SHIT! SLOW DOWN MATE, BEFORE YOU HURT YOURSELF!

>>9985478
I heard he busy with his video game

>>9985823
It doesn't really sound like a long game at all though. And I highly doubt it has complex dialogue or anything troublesome.

>Fortune Arterial- Prologue completly translated, patches for Shiro, Kiriha and Kanade routes released
Is this even any good?

>Majikoi- Yukie + Chris + Momoyo + Wanko + teacher route patch released, Miyako route 70% translated
Shit it's actually moving.

is jast ever going to make progress on something we actually care about? have they actually translated and released a single game?

>>9985859
FA was considered best eroge by 2chan for 2008. I'm sure it's at least half-way decent.

>>9985911
I'm sure at least one of us cares for that driving game. JAST says the bugs are gonish and it's coming out in a few months.

>>9985919
Weeks I mean. Well, probably months anyway.

>Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%

Oh shit

>>9985919
>I'm sure it's at least half-way decent.
You'd be dead wrong.

>>9985911
The only big games I have seen them release are Demonbane and School Days
I think the wait was worth it for School Days but they really have a large gap between releases that I think hurts them, hell we havn't seen any information in Stiens;Gate for a long time.
I'm really surprised they manage to keep an audience with their business practices.

>>9985919
>FA was considered best eroge by 2chan for 2008. I'm sure it's at least half-way decent.
>Fortune Arterial's story revolves around the male protagonist Kohei Hasekura, who transfers into a prestigious public school in the style of an English six-year school encompassing junior-high and high school students. The school, named Shuchikan Academy (修智館学院 Shūchikan Gakuin?), is on an island named Tamatsu Island (珠津島 Tamatsushima?) off-shore from mainland Japan, and the only way to get there is by boat. Soon after transferring, he discovers that one of the students in the class next door to his, Erika Sendo, is in fact a type of vampire.
I want to believe it will be good but I have my doubts

>>9985948

What would they say about S;G?

>>9985919
>was considered best eroge by 2chan for 2008.
That was Sumaga.

>>9985948
>I'm really surprised they manage to keep an audience with their business practices.

Oh for fuck's sake don't act so shocked, it's not as if you'd actually pay for their products anyway.

>>9985919
>FA was considered best eroge by 2chan for 2008.
Now where did you get this hilarious piece of misinformation from?

>>9985961
Maybe announce that they are translating it and a release date.
The fan translation was ended because JAST got in the way so I think a lot of people were expecting they would say they were going to officially release it in the west already.

>>9985980
Figures that the fan translator website would lie to me about the game that they were translating.

>>9985859
> Is this even any good?

August's moege are notoriously boring.

>>9985978
I do pay for their products actually.
I bought Demonbane, and the special edition of School Days HQ.

>>9985981

No, they have nothing to do with translating it. They were just going to act as the middle-man for the fan translation and 5pb. but 5pb. wasn't interested. So anyone expecting them to release it is retarded.

Dramatical Murder up to 61%.

Also, this young lady is doing text translations of Lamento: mushyaaaan.tumblr.com/tagged/lamento
Here's hoping she can be persuaded to lend her efforts to work on a patch; one of DM's translators was found the same way.

> Cartagra

PLEASE JUST RELEASE IT. Even just an "accidental" "leak" of the scripts so we can use them for reference would be great. I know the translator wants to do the right thing and wait for a Mangagamer release, but as much as I hope for it (I even bought KnS twice!) that's evidently not going to happen ;___;

If the Fortune Arterial game is anything like the anime, it's a huge pile of shit. I don't think there was a single redeeming factor about it other than the fact that it had Daisuke Ono.

Good news is that White Album 2 is getting worked on, I hope the intro to that gets finished soon. I'm excited for it, regardless of how bad the translation is.

>>9985976
You may be thinking of 2ch's annual best 20 poll, because I know Sumaga won that.

Does 2chan even have an equivalent thing?

>>9986057
>You may be thinking of 2ch's annual best 20 poll, because I know Sumaga won that.
You are indeed correct, and I am just tired and should get some sleep before the sun rises.

Just to let you guys know Boob Wars has been uploaded.
http://erogedownload.com/downloads/boob-wars/#more-5478
We still need someone to post the crack though.

>>9986119
This might be good for a fap.
That Prisoner Market VN from MG was pretty hot.

>>9985981
>The fan translation was ended because JAST got in the way
S;G's translation was reverted (it has never ended, it's still an active project) because the vast majority of it was utter trash.
Blick himself admitted to having greatly overestimated his own abilities.

And you know what, who didn't see this coming from the get go?
The project when it had just started received tons of scepticism due to its supposed record breaking speed that no previous speed translator had ever managed to even get close to.
And it just turns out that the scepticism wasn't unfounded, Blick wasn't some kind of unparalleled super translator, but merely someone overestimating his own abilities just like everyone had guessed.

And while on that topic. The leaked patch is a joke.

>>9986020

There isn't any, of course. Because a bunch of partial patches were released last week

WA2 surely slow as hell, I don't know they can finish Intro chapter or not, consider that there is only 1 translator activate (velocity 7)

>Yumina the Ethereal - "- All game data translated. Testing.", release "Maybe this year"

It's not going to be this year, is it.

>>9986414
Has Jast ever released a title at the time they said they were originally planning to?

>Moero Downhill Night Blaze- Golden Master
so glad jast is hard at work

>>9986375
What are you talking about?

>>9986428
Wasn't Yumina originally going to be out Q1 2012?

Are there like, only two guys working at Jast?

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php/107485-Mod-Release-amp-Technical-Discussion-Thread-%28I
nterheart%29-Itazura-Gokuaku/page26?p=2388539#post2388539

I know they aren't exactly high profile titles, though that is also probably part of why they managed to get one of them in the first place.

But Mangagamer is never going to give us Ryoujoku Guerilla Gari 2 and 3 are they?

>>9986496
I honestly believe that they've got most everything sitting golden and are determined only to release at the big weebCons that they attend for max profit

>>9985859

I saw the first episode of the anime and had to say it was damn boring, but some people who read through the thing said it was a bad adaptation.

>>9986610

VN adaptions usually tend to be bad.

>>9986610

I certainly hope no-one here is silly enough to judge a VN based on it's anime adaption, I really do.

Out of curiosity, has anyone translated Figu@Mate?

>>9986632
No

>>9986854
>Ryoujoku Guerilla Gari 2
Suck my Dick or Die 2: Suck Harder
...
Wait, that actually works...

>>9987971

Work for what?

>>9985988
>I bought [ ]...the special edition of School Days HQ...

People actually bought that kusoge?

>>9988189

JAST's best selling title in their entire history.

>>9988277

Which was kind of expected.

>>9988277
That doesn't mean much.

How much money you guys get for translating visual novels/weeaboo shit in general, for those who do (if any)?

Curious because I need a source of income, and I'm a greedy bastard who would only do it for money.

>>9988330

If you are going to sell your translation to JAST you could do a few bucks. Otherwise nothing.

Where can I get some translated Otome VN's?

>>9988386

Ask Kangaeeru

>Miyako route TL: 70%
>Sorry for the slow progress. I'm currently going at around 1%/week

So will he be done before 2015?

>>9988420

1%/week ==> 30 weeks + edit + beta = 40 weeks ==> 10 months ==> one year ===> before 2015: Yes

>>9988429

You forgot the true route and several side routes.

Someone (from here?) asked to work on FH?

It's ready. Check your email for the details.

>>9986163
>because the vast majority of it was utter trash
>The leaked patch is a joke
Well, it gets the point across better than Cud-tan at least.

Editor for Hadaka Shitsuji is busy with RL, so he said the patch will be released in December. Saw in an /a/ thread recently that a Dramatical Murder translator intends to release it towards the end of the year/start of next.

>>9986163
The leaked patch was fine for a fan translation. Sure, there were some mistakes and oddities that could be pointed out and probably should have improved, but it was definitely at or above the typical standard for a fan translation project. If you want a non-bastardized experience then you shouldn't be reading fan translations to begin with.

>>9985989
5pb. is interested in releasing SciADV overseas, as Shikura has stated back in 2010. Another 5pb. producer recently said "maybe try bugging XSEED about S;G, and maybe they can release it."

I'm just guessing they have demands that JAST either can't meet, or would be implausible in the western market.

S;G is getting an official release in Chinese this month, so I doubt they're scared of piracy.

>>9989010
>S;G is getting an official release in Chinese this month, so I doubt they're scared of piracy.

Or maybe they've woken up and seen that since people are already pirating their game, that they can at least make -some- money off of it if they give people a legal means of buying it. They've acknowledged that piracy isn't theft, but publicity.

where do you publish the works

>>9989032
mediafire.com

>>9988452
No pooder, no one asked for your dishelp.

>>9988560
compared to pooder translation S:G patch is flawless.

>>9988189
I really liked it

>>9988943
It's Cross Channel tier but with even more inconsistency in the ups and downs in terms of quality.
Albeit with better editing for the English script.
But the translation is really bad at times.

So where's the 100% Sora patch?

>>9986854
>But Mangagamer is never going to give us Ryoujoku Guerilla Gari 2 and 3 are they?
The last 2 titles are better than the first one aren't they?

>>9989323
You have to e-mail the translation group about it. They don't want to release a partial patch because of possible C&D, but they will give it to you if you ask politely.

Would it be possible for anyone who has the game to upload the nodvd patch for Tasogare no Sinsemilla? The only downloads of it I've found are packaged with the whole game.

>>9989288
>Cross Channel tier
No reason to read it then.

>>9989288
It's worth noting that Ixrec actually patched CROSS†CHANNEL a bit after the initial patch.

>>9989885
Here you go.
http://www.mediafire.com/?l0k7iav4cl7d1t9

>>9989943
Thanks.

>>9986494
It will be out before AX 2011, according to my sources.

>>9986496
Yes and no. JAST has only two full-time employees (Peter and Makoto), and most of the actual translation/editing/testing is done by people hired on a per-game basis, from what I heard.

>>9988330
The actual numbers (for professional VN translation) are secret, though they are infamously low (i.e. ridiculously underpaid, not a reliable source of income). Having seen some numbers, I can confirm this. (Though it must be noted that properly paid professional translation is extremely expensive, so it may not be a valid point of reference.)
Fan translators, naturally, are paid only in complaints from ungrateful fans. Involving money in fan translation has traditionally been a 'the worst thing you could do' situation, and VN translation has had only one example of money being involved in unofficial translations to my knowledge.

>>9986525
They announced their partnership with Nitro+ at AX 2009. Since then, there have been three AXs, and JAST has released only one Nitro+ title.

Why is the WA2 translation even a thing? Please just stop.

>>9990614
>Yes and no. JAST has only two full-time employees (Peter and Makoto), and most of the actual translation/editing/testing is done by people hired on a per-game basis, from what I heard.

Correct. Well, Makoto is translating Django, but otherwise yes.

>though they are infamously low
Quite. Unless you are a fast translator and do a decently short game for JAST, you can't even make enough money to live off of in the US.

>They announced their partnership with Nitro+ at AX 2009. Since then, there have been three AXs, and JAST has released only one Nitro+ title.

You can thank Nitro+ for that seeing as three Nitro+ games have been ready to be released on JAST's end for years now.

I like JAST's twitter

>>9990637
JAST keeps blaming the other side. But considering the state of Yumina (announced halfway 2010), what I heard of how long Family Project took to release (and it being unfinished even at release time), and previous experiences with more money-oriented companies pulling ridiculous shit to justify bullshit (most notably a company that acquired an MMO bullshitting about getting DDOSed as an excuse for not releasing a promised patch in time; that and many things were later found out when the original creators were fired and told the fans) make me very hesitant to trust JAST on its word.

It's too easy to shift the blame to 'them' when the audience is unable to have any contact with 'them'. How can I trust JAST saying their problems are all the fault of people practically invisible to us?

>>9990721
>Yumina

You mean that game that had to be completely retranslated because the translation they got was awful and wrong? Oh, and it's a huge pain in the ass to QC because they have to try to fit long names/descriptions in text boxes.

>How can I trust JAST saying their problems are all the fault of people practically invisible to us?

Well, I doubt they would conspire to lie to me, but JAST literally got the uncensored CGs for Saya this week, so I don't know what other proof you need. It was obviously translated almost 4 years ago.

>>9990721
At least in the case of Saya/Hanachirasu/Kikokugai, what reason is there not to believe them? The translations were already done. There was basically nothing for JAST to do besides wait for Nitro+ to give them what they needed. If you're saying Nitro+ already gave them the CGs and modified engine and JAST has just been sitting on it, that makes no sense.

>>9985976
Seems this is true after Googling it. It was actually 10th ranked, but it was 1st/2nd best selling...

TO THE GUY WHO MAKES THESE TRANSLATION THREADS:

http://whenwetranslate.livejournal.com/

This project exist, don't ignore it. They are translating Higurashi (Mangagamer ruined everything, their version doesn't exist.)

At least go there and support the translation, they must feel alone...

>>9990931
Not trying to cause any buttmad but what was wrong with he MG translation again?
Changed sprites and music?

>>9990958
> The "official" translation provided by MangaGamer had many problems, including switched sprites and music, poor translation, and the removal of all extras.
Forget I asked anything, should have read the link

>>9990802
They also have to communicate with the original developer for everything they need, they need to modify the game to use the new engine and whatever other changes they wanted to make, they need to test the game on consumer systems, they need to prepare and do marketing, the game needs to be printed and shipped...

But most of all, part of the reason may be that releasing as much as possible as quickly as possible is not optimal from a business perspective. Releasing titles too quickly can actually cost you potential sales, and even in big companies they delay games just to avoid release schedule collisions; for example, Nintendo purposely delayed Super Smash Bros. Brawl's PAL release until well over 3 months after the American release because Mario Kart Wii was released around the same time frame. Super Paper Mario similarly 'required 5 months for PAL conversion'.

Especially with the 'please support us by buying our games, we're totally not making a profit here!' strategies employed by VN publishers here, it would make sense for localized VNs to have a relatively long tail, and profit would be maximized by releasing slowly.

>>9990931
nice last update in april and shit

>>9990979
their last update was actually in August,but yeah,I don't have much hopes if they don't give us updates at least once in a month.Anyway,I support any attempt to patch the original Japanese games,with the music and content intacts.I hope they do Rei fandisk as well someday

>>9990964
>poor translation
That's actually the main point. Seriously, even the replaced music was good compared to that shitty translation.

Also, they ignored Saikoroshi-hen aka EP9. It was a beautiful epilogue, nothing like its horrible anime adaptation.

>>9990979
>>9991088
I fear for this project, that's why I posted it here. If more people notice their existence and post comments, they won't drop it.

>>9991141
>If more people notice their existence and post comments, they won't drop it.
Yeah, that worked so well for Majikoi S. Rofl

>>9991214
Let's try it at least.

>>9990964
Didn't higurashi have music and some art changed cause it used unlicensed music/art in it's original release? You make them sound like MG's mistakes.

>>9990721
JAST sit's in production limbo on almost all of their games. Communication issues is probably part of it, but I think they just announce titles way too early. Often they'll announce a title before any work has even begun. MG for example doesn't usually announce titles until a bulk of the work is complete on a title.

>>9990614
I heard from one translator that with exchange rate they got around 0.01$ US per japanese text character. To get an idea what that means, check tlwiki's script size, each japanese character is 2 bytes. It's low enough that it's not a livable rate for translators and still high enough that it puts some games out of reach for game companies who have game sales usually only in the hundreds.
http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=VN/Eroge_Scriptsizes

>>9991240
The shitty translation was entirely their fault, though. It lacks heart everywhere, it's not just the typos...

They also were lazy and replaced TWO or THREE tracks with a SINGLE track of their own, making it impossible for the music patches to recover everything. They did this very often...

>>9991141
I think it would be easier and faster if somebody just got Mangagamer's script,makes some corrections and revisions,patch onto the Japanese version,and then translate what was cut.It's funny how nobody did that so far...
then again,that's what happens when you make an official release of a game which tecnhnically isn't professional to begin with.That's why Ryukishi07 hasn't made 07th Expansion a professional company yet,so they can have more freedom in their works.At least witch-hunt and Ryukishi are practically working together these days so we don't have to worry about stuff being cut anymore(and the first Higanbana has been translated by another group,and now they are currently working in the second.).Higurashi also got an official release in France(and rated for kids,go figures...)and they also had to cut stuff for copyright reasons....

>>9991270
Nothing can be saved from Mangagamer's script. As I said, the typos aren't the worst part. Every single line is poorly translated and lacks... something.

Just compare Onikakushi by MG and Onikakushi by the Sonizaki Futagotachi (the new translation group made some correction to their patch and started Watanagashi right after)

>>9991240
but how long can it take to loclaize a game? we're at the point where jast is taking longer to bring shit over than it did to make the game in the first place.

>>9991304
>Onikakushi by the Sonizaki Futagotachi
The what?

>>9991240
>I heard from one translator that with exchange rate they got around 0.01$ US per japanese text character.

Yes, that's about how much MG pays. That's maybe $20k or $25k a year depending on how fast you translate. Barely enough to live on.

>>9991365

A while if the original company doesn't help you.

>>9991391
Google it.

>>9990800
Yumina is their fault for not verifying the abilities of the guy they hired and for not checking in with him. That's not how you run a business. They don't get to throw their hands in the air and say "It was completely out of our control."

>>9991420
Ixrec or Aroduc would make twice that at their speeds, and they're not doing it professionally. Who knows who fast they'd be if there was money involved.

>>9991466

Yes, but even if his translation was perfect, it would still take for-fucking-ever to QC it.

>>9991496

Not really, because translating isn't the only thing they have to do.

>>9991391
>>9991437
Considering a lot of things are very difficult to figure out without having been there or being familiar with other historic context, some explanation is justified here.

Back when MangaGamer was still 'that company which officially sells machine translation-level localized games', there was a TL group called Sonozaki Futago-tachi that was translating Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Though their translation was good (and it clearly had a lot more love put into it, with tons of TL and context notes and shit), they were extremely slow. They managed to finish the first episode, Onikakushi-hen, and had started translating episode 2, Watanagashi-hen, when MangaGamer had just gotten their shit together (having released Da Capo, Suika and Kira Kira, which had acceptable translations) and announced at Anime Expo 2009 that they had licensed Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Though MG's translation is clearly inferior, they were as fast as Sonozaki Futago-tachi was slow, and by December they'd released episode 1-4 (while SF was still at the start of 2). SF ended up dropping the project, and MG eventually released all 8 original episodes.

Onikakushi-hen, the first episode, is available in full as a demo, from either the Japanese site (in Japanese, can be patched by SF's patch), SF's site (their version) or MG's site (MG version). The rest of Higurashi in English is only available through MangaGamer.

>>9991420
>That's maybe $20k or $25k a year depending on how fast you translate. Barely enough to live on.
Half that, actually.

what about bump?

>>9988452
I already got help from someone else.

So what are all the extras missing from MG's Higurashi? Are they the Ryu07 portions missing from 1-4/All-Cast Review missing from 5-8?

>>9991803
Cast omake is 1-4, Ryu07 notes is 5-8. All of them were included in MG's version.
Stuff that was cut were minigames and music.

>>9991723
You dodged a bullet there.

>>9991873
And CP.

>>9991971
If you're referring to naked Satoko, she was notably kept in the game after community backlash at the announcement she would be censored.

>>9992222
i assume this isn't a real screenshot from a professional release of this game (any minutes?)

also, nice full house

>>9992275
>i assume this isn't a real screenshot from a professional release of this game
it is

http://forums.mangagamer.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1275&start=200#p22097

MG has a sample of their redesigned site up

>>9992222
has anyone fapped to this picture?

>>9991304

>>9992564
MangaGamer bring "english" to the West

>>9992598
Is that so bad? It's not really unnatural language is it? I keep seeing that image posted but it doesn't seem that unnatural. I see those expressions often enough.

>>9992598
>>9992564
funny thing is this was translated by apoptosis who's actually quite good by VN translator standards

when you're forced to work on shitty dull writing this is the sort of thing you start throwing in

>>9992564
>>9992598
The first image is justified by context, at least it clearly looks like that. I'm assuming $protag just got into $magical_situation, just received an infodump on the subject and is approached by $girl who assumes he's familiar with magic and asks something impossible of him. 'She just told me about this' does not always mean 'I know what you are talking about because it was just explained to me', it can also mean 'this was just explained to me and it's still not clear, so I don't get what you're saying'.

The latter two are clear wordplay, something that can only be done when you understand the intention of the original sentence (Japanese proficiency) and have a decent grasp of the target language (English proficiency). Being able to butcher sentences into bad puns which still convey the original meaning is the mark of a good translator.

MangaGamer sucks now for releasing only nukige, but their translation is still good.

>>9992676
>MangaGamer sucks now for releasing only nukige, but their translation is still good.

It seems like MG has a panel at AnimeUSA next weekend, hopefully they announce their secret titles, and hopefully they aren't nukige.

>>9992716
>It seems like MG has a panel at AnimeUSA next weekend, hopefully they announce their secret titles, and hopefully they aren't nukige.
Better be a real deal VN

>>9992716
The one Dodder is working on porting probably isn't nukige, from his recent post

>I’m also working on a separate title, one that’s been requested fairly frequently by MG’s fans. I’m not allowed to give it away, but it’s being given quite the treatment. I’ve been tasked with completely porting the game from it’s original game engine over to the Kirikiri game engine, the same one that runs the seal games, Kara no Shoujo, Jast’s Girlfriend is the President, and a whole bunch of other titles (it’s a very common free open-source game engine). I must admit, my experience with the game engine before hand was quite limited, but I’ve gotten pretty good at using it. It really is a quite advanced engine, and you can do a lot of things with it, but damn, it can be a little fickle at times.

>Doing a full port is really quite interesting, but there’s a lot of work to do it. Like, a LOT of work. It’s a bit strange, since the original game engine wasn’t too bad for English text, but the company doesn’t have any staff available to support us since they’re all busy working on their new title, so porting seemed the best option in order to make the project feasible. Relying on the Japanese companies to do a lot of the technical work can be difficult sometimes since they often don’t have dedicated staff to handle our concerns (and often it wouldn’t be economical to do so). Doing things on our own gives us a bit of leeway and speeds up the process a lot. Anyways I’ve gotten kind of attached to the game, having put in so much time working on rebuilding it from the ground up. It’s a big undertaking, and I will probably write a bit about the process once they actually announce the title.

>>9992716
Somehow i'm pretty sure it'll be another trash nukige

>>9992816
Nukige? No. Trash? Well...

>>9992750
How does that in any way imply it's not a nukige?

>>9992676
>but their translation is still good.
Still? Ha.

>>9992880
>I’m also working on a separate title, one that’s been requested fairly frequently by MG’s fans.

Few nukige have been often requested, those that have are euphoria (with another Clock Up game getting ready to come out, seem that they shouldn't need a port) and Black Cyc, which seemed to have engine troubles beyond what he seems to say here based on fan translators experience.

Besides that
> I’m not allowed to give it away, but it’s being given quite the treatment.
Seems to suggest something bigger than a random nukige

>so porting seemed the best option in order to make the project feasible.

Same as above, MG has access to enough generic nukige that is seems unlikely they would go out of their way to make a particular nukige work

>I will probably write a bit about the process once they actually announce the title.

Same as above, he hasn't done write ups for his work on nukige.

Anybody have any Idea why it's taking so long to crack Boob Wars?

>>9993072
I don't think there's any reason. I think there's just nobody trying.

>>9992956
but what non-nukige that people have been requesting could it be? it sure as fuck isn't baldr sky and I doubt it's anything like white album 2 or tomoyo after.

>>9993132
Could it be Coμ? Twinkle Crusaders?

>>9993132
They've mentioned Oretsuba before. Though I'm not really sure I want MG to be the ones to translate it.

>>9993165
Yeah... But who could translate Oretsuba?

>>9993165
>Oretsuba
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>9993177
It's not like it's impossible. It would be hard to match Jackson's style, but they didn't seem to have any qualms about fucking up the prose in KiraKira.

>>9993220
Hi, moogy.

>>9993241
麦様 doesn't think it's actually impossible to translate Oretsuba...

He just thinks you have to be as good of a writer as Nabokov.

>>9993264
Talent is only quicker than effort. Given enough time some mortal might actually manage.

Though of course, no one is going to work that amount of time receiving only food tickets in return.

>>9989189
>>9991883
Quite a few deals have been falling through lately... is it due to you bloody trolls spreading lies and slander?

"Trying to keep the poor man down"? Fucking bastards.

>>9991723
Whatever you want, but just going dark is never the best choice of action.

>>9993329
>Quite a few deals have been falling through lately... is it due to you bloody trolls spreading lies and slander?
Rest assured, the blame lies squarely with you.

>>9992222
The fact that they even TRIED to censore it makes them bad people. Fuck MG.

>>9992549
I have. I have a fetish for canon nudity.

>>9992222
The proud Satoko was running around naked, showing her humiliating and dignity-destroying ass cheeks full of sweat and K1 didn't even think about lewd things? What the fuck.

>>9992222
wanna lick her dark ass crack

>>9993165
More people want Shuffle Essense than want Oretsuba. It's likely something that had an anime adaptation. The general populace isn't even aware of anything but those.

>>9985847

It does have a lot of dialogue but no more than your average VN. As much as i'm grateful that the team is back on it's feet after a long hiatus I really wish it could pick up on the speed.

>>9993631
It could be worse, Jast actually has censored released products

>>9993165
It's possible that it could be Oretsuba since Bamboo said they were trying to get it, and if MangaGamer says "we got the tech stuff" then it's free money for Navel (even if not a ton) without the need to do anything. As far as negotiations go, "we will give you some money for something you would never sell otherwise and you don't need to do anything at all" is a decent tool.

That said, it would likely be foolish for MG to pick it up, because of the long script for a relatively small audience. The main benefit though is working to expand that small but growing group who actually buys non nukige titles, but that likely could be done with less expensive work.

>>9992348
>http://forums.mangagamer.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1275&start=200#p22097

All in all, that upcoming look is a good deal better than their current site.

>>9994131
And what's the 'new title' that Navel's working on that means they don't have staff free to help with the localization, necessitating a port?

>>9993329
imaginary deals? I have plenty of those too.

>>9994131
Only problem is Navel just released their big thing a week or two ago, so that kind of negates that possibility as working on a big game

Looks like Baldr Sky really is cursed, RIP Futsuu.

>>9994583
>cursed
>first project
Say that again when it gets to Air's level of drops.

>>9993132
Perhaps it's Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, and age can't help because they're busy picking up the slack from the Total Eclipse main artist getting fired.

>>9993329
I've already told you, stop defending shit that tries to pass as English, and in some alternate universe you might be taken seriously.

>>9994584
Did you forget about Strato?

>>9994596
I would rain my money on MG if this were true. And if they did a good job on it.

>>9993631
Only a couple months before MG announced they would censor it (they announced it in advance, hence the community backlash making the eventual release uncensored), JAST had release Family Project saying nothing was censored, and it turned out to have censorship after people had bought it. Not saying MG is a saint, but they handled the issue a LOT better than JAST. I'd say the fact that they listened to the backlash (while they could also have just gone ahead and censor things) is also something positive you don't see very often.

>>9993638
Context is decidedly unerotic.
(MAJOR HIGURASHI EP3 SPOILERS)
Keiichi just saved her from hyperthermia while she was in the bath (at that point so dazed she couldn't get out anymore). Due to pretty much her entire body burning she can't put on clothes as any kind of contact hurts like hell, so they go to the clinic with Satoko covering her privates with a towel.

By that point in the story, Satoko has become slightly crazy and paranoid, and Keiichi has become very suspicious due to his previous actions. On the way to the clinic, they come across a well (IIRC), and inside they find Rika's brutally dismembered body, chopped apart with something like an axe. Keiichi staggers backward and accidentally drops the newspaper that concealed the hatchet he was carrying to murder Satoko's uncle with. The already paranoid Satoko adds one plus one and determines Keiichi murdered Rika.

Keiichi ends up running and Satoko runs after him, dropping her towel. They end up at a bridge, with Satoko pushing Keiichi off, but Keiichi still managing to grab the edge. >>9992222 follows, where Satoko tries to make Keiichi fall off the ledge to his death, and she eventually succeeds.

Basically, even for a masochist it would be a difficult situation to enjoy.

bump

>>9994224
Note that Doddler's blog post was written just before Tsuki ni Yorisou came out, and MG would hypothetically have started work on porting Oretsuba when Navel was right in the middle of development. So it's possible. I agree it's unlikely, but it fits the criteria at least.

>>9995182
There's more drama; You forget that in the end all the people of the town with Satoko (ripped) die and Keiichi is the only survivor.

>>9994156
Seems more professional, which would go well with MangaGamer's general path over the past year or so where they have been looking more professional in pretty much everything they do.

No one is doing mahoyo?

WARNING: PICTURE IS MAJOR HIGURASHI EP3 SPOILER

>>9995490
I know, it's my favorite scene in any VN, ever (as well as the only part in any work of fiction to ever make me cry). I just wanted to limit the spoilers to what was relevant to Satoko being naked.

>>9995182
That's wrong.

They get to the temple AFTER going to the clinic and finding out about someone's death, and the one who runs in the temple is Satoko, with K1 running after her trying to calm her down.

http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/da-capo-iii-the-game-is-about-10-translated/

rogue posted that he had roughly 4000 lines left to translate in the girl digestion simulator

>>9997060
What? The game's only about 5-6,000 lines to begin with, unless he's using some fucked up definition of line like he was for MGQ.

>>9997921
I was also curious about how verbose a game about chasing and eating girls could be.

If MG ever got Oretsuba, I would hope some good translator would join to keep it from being a train wreck.

That said, it probably wouldn't be bad if they got it, as they do have some decent translations, and because it's long and by a company who has released stuff here, no fan translator would likely pick it up. And it would surely beat their recent releases

>>9998967
>And it would surely beat their recent releases

The question is if it would sell good. Unfortunately, MGs customers consist mostly of Animetards who won't touch anything which hasn't an Anime adaptation and idiots who just want a quick fap. And they know it. Just look how 'well' their more story oriented games like Kara no Shoujo sell.

>>9999002
Technically, Oretsuba does have an anime adaptation... I feel bad even bringing it up, though.

>>9999002
OreTsuba has an anime you fucking dunce.

>>9999024

I've never said it hasn't, you autistic retard

I would actually argue against Oretsuba, if only because MG is trending against doing games with large script sizes. Since the majority of their costs are probably directly related to to the amount of text there is (for translation, editing, script insertion and testing), I imagine they find it hard to justify doing a game with a 4mb script when they can do 4 games with 1mb scripts... especially considering they would probably have similar sales. It's the reason they aren't doing Shin Koihime, even though it'd be almost guaranteed to be their top seller.

>>9999107
>It's the reason they aren't doing Shin Koihime, even though it'd be almost guaranteed to be their top seller.
And that's a real shame. Sure, I understand the reasoning, but it's really bit of a taunt or tease to purposely hold it off like that despite selling Koihime, and despite Koihime's sales.

>>10000267
the script is retarded huge and shitty it will never be translated in a million years

>>9999107
>top seller
I dunno, 50 copies is way too high a bar man.

>>9997060
Roguetranslator always does cool stuff.

Have you translated katawa shoujo yet?

>>10000267
I thought the reason they weren't doing Shin Koihime was because regular Koihime was the better of the 2.

>>10000363

Into what language?

>>10000426
Swahili.

>>10000426
actually i was wondering when they would translate Katawao shoujo into Japanese.

>>9999107
If MG can't afford huge script and also the cost, why they didn't do other VN?
There plenty of shorter and easier VN than Oretsuba or Shi Koihime exclude Nukige obviously

Pic related.

>>10000543

Gotta remember that not all companies are open to negotiations to have their stuff translated.

Is this moogydono

>>10000897
Why were you sitting on the wall?

>>10000901
he's spiderman

>>10000901
I'm a web slinger

>>10000936
I NEED PICTURES, PARKER. PICTURES OF MOOGY.

>>9999041
You mean doesn't. Learn proper English, people.

>>10001100
Have you a problem?

>>9995080
How about YOU stop driving away our prospective clients with slander and half-truths? It's clear that by your interference you only intend to defame, and thus it is entirely YOUR fault.

As I've said before, we want better translators as much as anyone, but you are actively attempting to deprive us of them. You trolls are the proverbial bully who makes one fall and then pushes them down again when they try to climb back up! Bastards.

>>10001279
Do you have any evidence or proof of these seemingly baseless accusations?

>>10001293
You're retarded. I'm not even Cudder. Fuck off.

>>10001300
Put your trip back on, kudasai.

>>9989423
Who's doing that again? I looked on vndb and the only thing there was a link to encubed, which only has two entries on YnS. I'd like to play the Sora route after all this time.

Does anyone here actually have the patch and feel like uploading it?

>>10001317
https://trjr.wordpress.com/

He asks not to upload it anywhere.

>>10001327
Having to all email him individually is a pain in the ass. I'm sure posting it here where the link will be gone in a week wouldn't be too big of a deal.

>>10001327
Oh, is that the project that Kirby took time off to help?

>>10001338
Nah, Kirby was helping F/HA.

>>10001341
You mean Baldr Sky.

I'm machine translating a nukige and occasionally consulting a person who knows JP for sentences I don't get. Wish me luck

>>10001336
Not as nearly as big of a pain as it would be if you defy him, get found out by Sphere, and get the game C&D'd a second and likely final time. Post a comment on his page with your e-mail address if you'd rather, but don't you dare fuck it up for everyone just because you feel like being a lazy entitled shit.

>>10001279
>driving away our prospective clients
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

HA HAAAAA hahaha.

How is it possible for anyone to be so self-deluded?

>>10001436
You're a funny guy.

>>10001293
Look up.

>>10001440
If you stay quiet you won't be blamed, but you choose to speak against us.

>>10001519
>Look up.
Yeah that's not how it works.

>>10001519
>us.
Define 'us'. Only things that could pass Turing test count as beings.

>>10001778
>>9682542 (look in archive)
I will not answer any further inflammatory or snide remarks.

How would you guys translate 遊華?

As the name for a school.

>>10001837
Yóuhuá

>>10001844
In Japanese, if you please.

>>10001845
Yuubana.

>>10001848
Thank you. Back to translating.

>>10001851
Flyable heart, eh?

>>10001837
Yuuka or Yuka. Definitely not Yuubana, since it mixes kun and on readings

>>10001869
Yuubana is fancier.

>>10001864
It's tangentially related.

>>10001872
It's a rich girl's private school so I get that justification.

>>10001875
Don't thney ever pronounce teh name of the acamedy in kiminago/crunchyheart/whatever you are doing?

>>10001877
It's fine, it's fine. I don't explicitly remember it being pronounced but it might have. Thanks for the answers anyway.

>>10001837
>・遊華総合学園　Yuka comprehensive academy
If it's Peace@Pieces, you could at least look up the official site of the game you're translating. If not google should always be your friend when researching words you don't know the readings of.

>>10001837
Yuuka.

Is this Peace@Pieces? Because that would make me very happy.

>>10002028
Don't expect much, I'm terrible.

I'm actually almost done translating the prologue. My horrible knowledge of JP is being assisted by me bugging people who actually know Japanese, various machine translation programs and the like, and a few other things.

For example, there are a few tokusatsu and sentai references that you wouldn't get unless you know the context or the phrasing. I didn't get a couple either until I consulted someone who knew far better than I did.

>>10002050

Wait wait, is that also you at >>10001426?

I hope not. P@P is no nukige, son.

>>10002058
I don't use it in the classical way, though I see how you'd take offense to that. I just tend to think of all harem-type VNs with a certain bar of sexual content as nukige. By the 'real' definition, you're totally right.

>>10001279
that's what you get for trolling /jp/, you won't find anything but trolls who'll ruin your money making schemes here.

maybe you should consider migrating to /vg/, they'll like you there and won't be actively trying to fuck you over like everyone in here does.

>>10001819
>Oh shit, they're on to me, interrogating me about my fake group and imaginary friends!
>Better throw out something meaningless that won't answer anything and so, people'll keep trolling me and giving me attention!
>I can't just answer normally like a regular human, i have to use retarded JEW answers like that!

>>10002353
nice greentext

>>10002028
>>10002050
Holy fuck you guys, how can you be positive and even help a guy who's fucking machine translating a VN? Once a work has been "translated", it will never get a real translation again*, and instead we're all left with a shitty bunch of text that makes no sense that we could as well have gotten out of AGTH + ATLAS ourselves. Is this really what the fanbase wants these days?

And it's in no way a fucking nukige. It's an above-average moege with VNDB and EGS scores above, say, Shuffle!, and roughly matching Da Capo 1/2's.

*In the entire history of VN translation, there have been 3 cases of a game being translated twice; the two Narcissu games had two well-known translators dual-translate it from the very start, and MG retranslated episode 1 of Higurashi as the fan translators were too slow to officially work with. Other than those three, not even machine translated works have been retranslated.

>>10002419
No one else wants to translate it, so I'm doing it alone without help. There was a project several years ago that died in the water.

The reason WHY no one re translates these is because no one wants to ever translate any of these at ALL. The people who want to translate VNs all work on the big names, I'm consulting actual translators from time to time anyway.

Do you understand? No matter how much you want it to be properly translated by a real translator, no one wants to do it unless you throw a lot of money at them.

I'm doing it by myself, if someone else wants to translate it it's not like I'm singlehandedly stopping them.

>>10002431
Sorry, I'm being a little dramatic when I say 'without help'. I just mean I'm the only one directly working on this.

And I'm offended, really, that you think I'd just make a garbage translation that makes no sense. Even if I ended up with a sentence that I didn't fully understand I'd at least be liberal and take the circumstances into account and write it properly, rather than leave it in gibberish.

Hmm, what a coincidence this should be brought up now. For an example of someone translating with only a few days of Japanese study with heavy reference to machines, take a look at this Muv-Luv thread in /m/

>>>/m/8416374

This is the kind of shit that edited machine translation pumps out. Take a look at that and tell me if you think it's decent. It's really basic language, not even hard, yet look at it. And you think it'll go better with actual literature instead of a simple timeline from a wiki?

>>10002431
No, even if you compare high-profile badly translated games they don't get another chance. (Clannad comes to mind; though not machine-translated, it's very badly translated, but nobody's retranslated it despite it being one of the most acclaimed VNs of all time.)

The lines themselves might not be gibberish - they rarely are even in the case of an edited machine translation - but the story as a whole becomes gibberish.

To give a rough idea of how damaging machine translations are, I ran 16 lines of Remember11 through Google Translate, edited them to make sense, then compared them to the real translation: http://pastebin.com/yXYezcrC
The result is 10 lines being significantly mistranslated, and more importantly, the entire point of the scene being missed (which is a vital plot point), as the machine translation does not translate it correctly and context suggests it means something else than what it really means.

Reading only the "translated" text it may seem fine, but in practice you are completely butchering the original text when you're machine translating it.

>>10002666
So what do you suppose happens? The VN remain forever untranslated no matter how hard one tries to TL it and make up for their lack of expertise in japanese?

>>10002706
Someone who actually knows and is confident in his/her Japanese skills translates it. If you really want to work on the game, you should do so after actually learning the damn language. Simple as that.
Of course, many who rely on fan translations simply don't care about things such as writing style, the actual meaning of the sentences or expect any kind of quality whatsoever. Or they just don't know about the various translation mistakes because there is no one to point those out for them.

Not the same poster btw.

>>10002754
How many fan-translators have decent japanese skills around?
none?

>>10002799
Many of them, it's just that they mostly don't know how to translate literary figures in narration-heavy works correctly, but that's obvious because they aren't writers. They can't be blamed.

>>10002666
>Google Translate
Your comparison is invalid. Give someone who knows no Japanese something like Translation Aggregator, a basic Japanese grammar guide, and let them have at it. You're overly handicapping the side you're arguing against by using one of the worst machine translators, so that's hardly a fair argument.

Someone in this thread who doesn't know Japanese should try that.

age

>>10004498
I tried that. You get total nonsensical gibberish. That's assuming the text even hooks.

>>10002666
>google translate alone
Here's my effort. No Japanese knowledge at all, just using chiitrans2 with Atlas, Google, Microsoft, Honyaku. Haven't played Remember11, have looked at neither the real translation nor your edited machine translation. Only the Japanese at the top. Honest test.

However, what can't be recalled can't be recalled, there's no helping it.
I decide to graciously give in.
The above roughly sums up the contents of my memory.
It is indeed a mystery.
Absolutely no regularity can be found in memories that are lost and memories that are preserved.
Could there be such an irrational amnesia?
Utsumi said this:
"There are certainly obvious differences from typical memory defects."
"Having never seen a case like yours, I do not understand it either......"
"However, perhaps......"
"The existence that is the present you may be a distinct personality that was recently born within Yukidoh-kun".
"If you think as such, it may explain why you have no memory of the past?"
"The fragmentarily remembered parts, is that perhaps because those are directly linked to Yukidoh-kun?"
"It was one and a half hours ago when you woke up in this sphere, right?"
"If that's the case, Yukidoh-kun..."
"The present you may be a special existence that made your first cry in this world 90 minutes ago."


Yes, it sucks. But it sucks less than Google alone.

>>10001279
I'm sorry, bro. I didn't mean to make you cry.

>>10004498
Almost all machine translations are equally gibberish. I would perhaps understand if the person translating used Trans Agg *exclusively* with tools like Rikaichan or JParser to check kanji / word meanings and pronounciations (more similar to using an actual dictionary rather than relying on a full blown translator) but even then they should carefully reconsider if they have to apply the tools for every second sentence.

Not necessarily knowing the meaning of 瑞穂の国 or 大八洲 should still be fine but if the person translating can't handle normal, "everyday" words without outside help then you've got a big problem.
F.ex. >>10002666 's example should be very simple to translate without ANY tools if you know even a speck of Japanese.

>>10002666
>>10004498
Let's try an experiment here...

Can someone edit the text to excise/genericise any names? I want to see what !FH4JP does with it (and not have him find out where it's from. That is of course providing he hasn't read the VN... or this thread.)

>>10002419
>and MG retranslated episode 1 of Higurashi as the fan translators were too slow to officially work with
That's more a case that speaks for how people commonly don't want to re-translate an already "translated" work.

That MG translated episode 1 on their own has more to do with how the fantranslators aren't affiliated with MG.
And the fantranslators dropped their project afterwords as MG were so much faster than them and how everyone read and were done with it before they even got a chance to release their own version.

And it was dropped, despite the fantranslation being the better translation.

Isn't what you are trying to do what Ixrec already tried to illustrate here?
http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/blog/?p=771
>Also, some time ago I did a Translation Quality Experiment to prove a number of points about translation quality that non-translators seem completely oblivious to. In particular, I wanted to make it clear why machine translations should never be considered acceptable.

>>10006196
I think >>10002666 is very much the same, but that's beside the point since >>10002050 is making use of a lot more resources than just MT.

>>10006096
>but if the person translating can't handle normal, "everyday" words without outside help then you've got a big problem.
That's like saying myopics shouldn't be allowed to drive even when wearing glasses, but only those who have naturally perfect eyesight.

>>10006445
No, Cud-tan, it's not.

>>10006445
>That's like saying myopics shouldn't be allowed to drive even when wearing glasses, but only those who have naturally perfect eyesight.
That's not an accurate analogy at all. Wearing glasses actually removes the initial problem.

A more accurate analogy would to have someone with insufficient cooking skills make the main dish, and actual chefs doing the doing tiny parts of it in the middle of it.
It's not like you had the actual chefs doing the actual meal, and it's still very possible that our actual guy would still burn the dish in the end.

>>10006445
>>10006525
Better would be
"That's like saying myopics shouldn't be allowed even when using a magnifying glass."

>>10006543
>>10006538
Most accurately it would be like saying that myopics should be allowed to drive for as long as they have a person with good eyesight sitting in the passenger seat.

>>10006128
...

Wouldn't you be interested in laughing at inferior translation or whatever it is you trolls get off to?

>>10006576
We could just download the Flyable Heart translation if we wanted to do that.

>>10006555
Which still sounds like a bad idea, so that analogy works.

>>10006584
Indeed.

>>10006578
I'm talking about now, not then.

...or are you just scared that the results won't be what you want them to be?

糞みてーななんちゃって翻訳でわかりきったつもりになってるやつらうぜえ
なあ
文章の良さとか雰囲気とかまるでつたわらねーくせによお

ましてやそんなんをメーカー強請って販売とか頭おかしいんじゃねーの
ゴキ以下の存在だってことをちゃんと自覚しろや
どうせこうやって少しでも砕いたると理解できるオツムなんてもってねえだ
ろうけど（笑）

>>10006799
まあまあ落ち着いてください、そんなに怒鳴らないでも良いじゃないですか
。この人達はどんな形にでも日本人様の有難いエロゲーを楽しみたいので
すよ、性的な意味で。
どうです、この美しくないメキシカン共を放っといてジャパニーズ・カラオ
ッキーでもしませんか？

>>10004703
By the way, not bad. The only noticeably bad line is line 11 "The existence that is..." among other issues with wording.
I personally liked how you translated lines 2 and 3 better than the real translation; I think they're actually a little more faithful to the original text.

>>10006174
We need to save Higurashi... It can't remain "translated" forever...

The anime did a lot of damage to this wonderful story, but this will be worse...

>>10008054
Reminds me of the people who want to see HoshiMemo retranslated. Both are slightly better than average games, nothing that deserves dozens of hours re-doing the whole thing. A real waste of time.

>>10008327
No. Higurashi is way better than average games. Stop watching anime.

no translation < bad translation < good translation < Ixrec

>>10008520
cudder < bad translation < ixrec = no translation < good trranslation < don't be lazy and learn japanese

>>10008520
How exactly is Ixrec better than a 'good translation.'

>>10008635

Is there any good translation out there?

>>10008686
``your mother" translates to ``a slut"

makes perfect sense :)

>>10008520
Wrong.

No translation >>>> Bad translation

"No translation" opens the possibility of a good translation. Bad translation stays that way forever, like what happened to Higurashi (there's a new group retranslating it, but no one cares about them because "lol higurashi is shit i only saw a shitty adaptation but is shittttttttttt lolderp", so everyone ignores them and don't even bother to comment in their blog)

>>10008686
Duel Savior is translated pretty great.
In before people trash it for not being a super literal translation.
But it did a splendid job at translating the intent, and made it flow suitable to the characters and theme.

>>10009231
It's decent, but there are some pretty dumb errors in there. Aroduc's not the most attentive translator.

>>10009274
Granted. But I would still judge it to be pretty good.
I believe that disregarding the errors of that nature, the translation is still pretty admirable.

>>10001327
>https://trjr.wordpress.com/
Thanks, man.

Oh God, Aroduc's status for his next secret project is "This was clearly a mistake...". I feel a sense of loss and I don't even know what he was translating, only that it probably had fun gameplay.

>>10009707
He's translating a short game with a bunch of ero

>>10009712
That makes me think he joined forces with Rogue and is translating girl digestion simulator.

>>10008780
>"No translation" opens the possibility of a good translation.
And the possibility that no one will ever translate it, and in the time you spend waiting you'd have learned enough Japanese.
>Bad translation stays that way forever
That's only because people don't care enough and/or think it's sufficient already, meaning that it isn't really "bad". Your argument is invalid.

>>10010038
Or that they think there's not enough reason to do it because not enough people will want to read it again, even knowing it's a higher quality product.

Of course stuff like Cudder's horseshitis so bad that it may as well not be a translation at all.

>>10010072
I thought that Cudder was just a hacker, not a translator.

>>10009707
It's some Eushully game and Kirby thinks it's shit.

>>10010089
He ran a couple games through Google Translate and thought that changing trips would be enough to fool people. At best, he works with and shares a trip with some illiterate Chinese guy who runs shit through Google Translate and is Cudder's personal slave.

>>10010104
Who cares what Kirby thinks?

>>10010105
But he can actually hack to game so that it can be translated, right?

>>10010072
> not enough people will want to read it again
> read again
You just confirmed his point. If people read this "bad" translations then quality is enough, otherwise they won't read it.

>>10010124
You're so stupid I don't even know what to say.

>>10010038
>and in the time you spend waiting you'd have learned enough Japanese.
What does having a bad translation have to do with this?

>>10010124
>You just confirmed his point
Hardly. You're conflating "not interested in reading it again" with "means it's good," which is patently bullshit.

>>10010124
Maybe you're too young for this, but a few years back it was common for there to be speedsubs of anime episodes and better subs. Speedsubs were out within a day or two and full of errors, bad grammar, etc. Regular subs took upward of a week, sometimes longer but were much higher quality.

Guess which of those two paradigms had more downloads? Hint: It's the one that dominates right now.

>>10010235
You can't really say that anymore now that Crunchyroll has become big and is simulcasting a lot of shows. They release some shows (none this season) only an hour or few hours after they air with great pretty great quality, but they get the episode before it even airs.

>>10010180
Your rhetoric is beside the point. The fact they read it in the first place clearly indicates success of translation since translations are made for people to read them meaning quality is acceptable.

>>10010247
And all the shows they don't sub? How many of them take the week or two to be subbed as was normal a few years ago?

None? Yeah, exactly.

>>10010256
Yes, some people did read Cudder's Flyable Heart. That clearly means the translation was of acceptable quality.

>>10010256
Your argument is circular. If someone read it, it must have been good. How do you tell if it's good? If someone read it.

>>10010104
Sounds like the bumper karts game.

>>10010113
yeah, you have to run everything through him though.

he never releases his tools, but does all the insertion and extraction so that you'll be indebted to him by sending him every little changed script, and he can cut you off at any time if he wants to or if you don't do things his way.

so, if you support cudder, you support terrorism.

>>10010274
>>10010281
> some
> someone
Wrong.
>>10010072
> not enough people will want to read it again
Not enough means majority of people read it. No one cares about some minority whiny faggots like you.

>>10010384
You are deluded.

So how good was the Japanese version of flyable heart?

>>10010384
>> some
>> someone
>Wrong.

You've never read the comments in erogedownload i see.

>>10010104
Is Kirby just a poster here or is he a translator?

>>10010687
He' the translator for Subahibi and a couple of other games he hasn't told us the titles of yet (one is for JAST, and the other sounds like Air).

>>10010384
You didn't even bother to read what they're saying, or you're conveniently ignoring it.

Read >>10010281 again.

Or you might as well not, because you've already pretty much confirmed you're a retarded piece of shit.

What are the problems with Ever17's translation?

>>10011994
You don't knows the hacker?

>>10012022
Is that the only thing?

>>10012041
Aside from the frequent Engrish, there was also the incorrect date thing. It's been quite a while since I read it, so I don't remember whether there were any other glaring errors.

>>10012065
Only a million typos and grammatical errors.

Alright, fuck you trolls, I just decided to send him the raw Japanese text without anything else, and this is what we got:

>However, because I cannot remember the thing I cannot remember, it can't be helped.
>I decided to bravely give up.
>The above is roughly sorted contents of my memory.
>Truly mysterious.
>I could not discover at all lawness at the memories I lost or memories preserved.
>Would it be a good thing to have such irrational loss of memory?
>The inland sea said.
>"Certainly, it clearly differs from general defect of memory, isn't it."
>"Although because I also had not seen medical case like you, I do not understand it well......"
>"But, perhaps......"
>"It may be extremely new different personality born inside existence that is you now, Yuukidou-kun."
>"If you try to think about it, it would also able to explain concerning the matter that there is no memory of the past?"
>"Is not that there is fragmentary parts of remembrance because of direct linking with the memory of the person Yuukidou-kun himself, I wonder?"
>"Certainly you woke up in this sphere approximately 1 and half hours ago, isn't it?"
>"If that is the case, Yuukidou-kun......"
>"The you now may be a special existence that gave a baby's first cry for the first time in this world 90 minutes ago."
And his best guess at what it's about:
>He is standing in a harbour, looking at the sea, cannot remember why he is there, and hallucinating.

>>10012329

As if we needed more proof that this "translator" of yours doesn't know either English or Japanese to any level of competency.

>>10010072
>>10010105
>>10010338
It's the inflammatory, slanderous propaganda like this that you trolls need to stop spreading.

>so that you'll be indebted to him by sending him every little changed script
I have no idea what you mean by "indebted to". This is SaaS, plain and simple. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it, but do not spread misinformation. (Do you use Gmail or run your own email server? Google or have your own search engine? Same thing. We have privacy agreements and SLAs. That's just how things are.)

I'll repeat this very, very carefully:
THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS". In no respect shall we be liable for any damages, including, but limited to, direct, indirect, special, or consequential damages arising out of, resulting from, or any way connected to the use of the Services.

>>10012329
>The inland sea said.
I refuse to believe this was translated by a person, Cudder.

>He is standing in a harbour, looking at the sea, cannot remember why he is there, and hallucinating.

Seriously?

>>10012363
Google doesn't return sites in Mandarin when I ask for local pizzerias.

>>10012363
Advertising is not allowed on 4chan, please delete your comment.

>>10012347
I'm almost willing to bet that if I copied >>10004703 and made minor thesaurus/structure changes you'd say the same thing, and yet >>10007372.

To me, they look pretty much identical (apart from "The inland sea said" --- is that a name thing?) The "errors" list in that comparison is basically nitpicking.

Problem, biased trolls?

>>10012363
shut up, terrorist. we open source here. if you don't provide your tools and source code, get out.

i hear /vg/ would like to have you.

>>10012432
Cud-tan, you can't just swap words around in thesauruses and have the sentence mean the same thing.

That would be gelastic. The only rank and file who deem that are clodpates who don't apprehend the English cant.

>>10012432
Wait, you're the one who's calling US biased? Because I think we have thing backwards here, you deluded prick.

It feeds on attention, guys. Just report it for spam and ignore it.

>>10012432
I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse.
I helped my uncle jack off a horse.

It's the same basic thing, right? Just some structure changes, but that's not important, right?

>>10012440
Is 4chan open source? How about all the other wbesites you visit? You use SaaS all the time already.

And 'terrorist', seriously? You trolls have lost your ability to come up with less absurd accusations? It's amusing to see, like the proverbial shit-flinging monkeys (also known as fundamental Christians...) when confronted about the irrational nature of their beliefs.

>>10012466
Right click -> view page source

>>10012440
As much flak I'm going to catch from you guys from saying this, I'm actually from /vg/.

And no, we don't want Cudder anywhere near our VN generals. That braindead moron is your problem to deal with.

>>10012466
>irrational
>lists and lists of your mistakes, errors, arrogance, and defense of utter shit quality and use of unedited machine translations

Sure thing, Cud-tan.

>>10012474
Sounds like he's challenging you, Cud-tan.

>>10012363
>need to stop spreading.
Excuse me? I don't "need" to do anything. I'm gonna keep saying whatever I feel like even though you don't like it, the same way you've been keeping posting your shit even though I don't like it, you hypocrite.

>>10012499
When Cudder talks, he speaks the gospel and nobody is allowed to tell him to stop.

When you talk, you're a libelous troll who shouldn't be allowed to spread his lies.

Get with the program, dude.

>>10012466
if i were to compare it to your ways, you'd have to email moot every time you wanted to post something on 4chan.

which simply means, your "system" is completely idiotic. just release the goddamned tools when you make them or stop posting altogether.

I'm double checking something from an early part of the translation. How exactly would you translate
肉じゃがが得意で笑顔の可愛い女の子なんてそうそういないんだよ、まして
や俺のそばになんかに。


I have a pretty good idea of what it is but a buddy of mine is offline and I don't really want to put it off until later. I'm not above asking for help, either.

The context is a man talking about his lonely life.

>>10012521
"Even though I can make such fabulous nikujaga, it makes no difference to the girl with the cute smile sitting next to me." I've only been learning nihongo for a couple days, so this may not be entirely accurate.

>>10012607
Ehh, I think it's more along the lines of that he's capable of making really good meat and potatoes, but it doesn't change the fact that he can't get a cute girl next to him.

>>10012521
Somewhat liberal because 肉じゃが has some cultural connotations that don't really translate.

"There's no such thing as a lovely girl that would smile as she cooks for you, let alone one that would be by my side."

or more liberal

"There aren't any ideal cute girls that are good at cooking, let alone one that would want to be with me"

>>10012521
>>10012607
>>10012621
This is amazing. Could you guys fail any harder?

>>10012607
>>10012621
>>10012644
Thank you three. I don't plan on asking /jp/ much about this kind of thing, just when I have no other options.

>>10012657
Stop translating. Immediately.

>>10012657
Just so you know, >>10012607 and >>10012621 are (hilariously) wrong.

>>10012691
What, you don't like my fabulous translation?

>>10012691
I know that very well, I used >644

I can thank them for their attempts at helping me, though, can't I? The third one was similar to what I wrote, so the fact that he confirmed I was correct was good.

>>10012700
Far from it, there's an 80% chance that it would make for a better story than the original.

>>10012513
Have you even used RWI? It's as easy as posting on 4chan. Enter your translated lines and click the Submit button.
>>10012471
And you can do that with RWI too.

>>10012454
>>10012465
That's not structure, that's capitalisation. This is structure:
My uncle Jack, I helped off a horse.
Off a horse, my uncle Jack I helped.
My uncle Jack, off a horse I helped.
Off a horse, I helped my uncle Jack.
Jack, my uncle, I helped off a horse.
Uncle Jack, off a horse, I helped.
...etc...

>>10012506
There is a reason the law makes a distinction between free speech and slander. There is also a difference between not liking something despite how true it is, and liking something even though it is false (also known as being religious). Giving logical arguments for why something is the way it is, is different than just preaching.

>>10012458
If you seem to believe I'm the one translating, then wouldn't it not be much farther to think I wrote >>10004703 too, and that >>10012329 is just a slightly different edit of it? (Not saying whether I did or not. You can draw your own conclusions from this. I did say I was going to do an experiment...)

>>10012521
There isn't much meat and potato stew like a cute girl with a proudly smiling face, to say nothing of things like my soba.

>>10012772
Cudder, please take and pass an elementary school English class before you try to lecture anybody on the language.

>>10012803
Best one yet. Go with that.

>>10012521
There is no such cute girl smiling proudly over nikujaga, much less one by me.

(Thus speaks the machines)

>>10012521
Oh I'm not here for cute girl smile meat and potato stew. Good at, let alone, or something close to my.

>>10012521
Meat and potatoes but but I'm not oh oh girl cute smile and good, something close to me and to.

>>10012811
How about you learn to parse better? Everyone seems to have no trouble reading my posts until now, but once the sentence structure a little I change, complaints you begin to make.

>>10012772
Cud-tan. Slander has to be false. You can't slander someone with the truth. Plus, since this is written, it'd be libel.

>>10012891
Once again, you have missed the point entirely.

Why are you so mean to me /jp/ Onee-chan? All I try to do is help that VN community thing that you love so much, but it's never good enough for you. Why are you always so cold to me. I know I mess up alot. I know sometimes I do more harm than good, but I'm trying my best! One day you'll see. I'll show you how helpful I can be. You'll love me then. Just you wait!

>>10012899
Truth? You mean your interpretation of particular circumstantial evidence? That is hardly rigourous proof of anything.

>>10013020
That's more the attitude of the translators. We monitor many other sites. /jp/ isn't *the* VN community. In terms of its characteristics, it's an outlier.

[To be fair, none of this "scandal" crap would've ever happened if better translators had found us, but we do what we can, with what we have, where we are. I have no regrets, but I hear the future is friendly.]

>>10013324
I think your defending of the obviously horrible translation quality speaks for itself. Those posts of yours up there trying to get us to accept your bullshit are not a mere "circumstantial evidence", it's a solid proof that we have every right to use against you.

>>10010072
The average guy has bad taste, low intelligence and can't write properly. They don't care about good translations.

The actual fans do, though. Your argument is invalid.

>>10013443
Fuck, I quoted the wrong post. I meant >>10010038

>>10013443
I'm reading an eroge right now and there are occasional typos in it.

Not every Japanese game is a literal tour de force. Hell, a liberal translation might even make it better.

>>10013451
When I say typos I mean in Japanese, too.

国連内部に対するあからさまなロビー活動が開始される。

Atlas: Plain lobbying in the United Nations is begun.
Google: Overt internal lobbying for UN begins.
Microsoft: Blatant lobbying for United Nations internal starts.
Honyaku: Open lobbying for the United Nations inside is started.


Yeah machines blatantly suck, can't grasp nuances at all.

>>10013468
What's wrong with that? Looks correct to me.

>>10013484
He was being sarcastic. If you want to see a better example, non sarcastically.

すっかり乾いた目玉の痛みをまばたきで回復させながら、思わずつっこまず
にはいられない。#あやうく扉にぶつかりそうになった右手を、俺は必死に
抑えた。
Atlas: I cannot help instinctively thrusting it while recovering the pain in a completely dry eyeball by the blink. #It seemed to knock against the door dangerously and I suppressed its becoming it right hand desperately.
Google: While recovering in a blink of eye pain , dry completely , I can not help but involuntarily thrust . # I was desperately suppressed , the right hand was almost to the door nearly hit .
SysTran: While the ma with going back and forth making the pain of the eyeball recover which dries completely, without thrusting unintentionally, you cannot be. May strike to the # leash u ku door the right hand which becomes, as for we was held down desperately.
Microsoft: While restoring dry eye pain in blink, I つっこまず. # I desperately low they almost got hit the door on the right.
Honyaku: I cannot help shoving it unintentionally while reviving a really dry featured pain by a blink. # I held the right hand which almost nearly hit the door in check desperately.

>>10013432
What's with this incessant "defending" crap?!?!

We act in the interests of our clients. Whether or not you like them is irrelevant. End of discussion. [I've said this many times, and I'll say it again: Find us better translators, and you'll get better translations. It's that simple.]

>>10013447
If the surprisingly many requests recently for working on FH are any indication, if it's not good enough there *will* be those who want to make a better translation, so things might be starting to change now.

>>10013484
The majority of MT is applied not to VN translation, but news. Google trains its system with UN documents. Inputs that an MT system are tuned for will quite obviously lead to good accuracy in the output. (This also explains why YouTube's autosub tends to err towards looking like a news report. That's what they tuned it for.)

>>10013492
This is a better example of input it's not tuned for. My best guess at what it says: someone can't help unintentionally thrusting (at what? context missing...) while blinking to relieve the pain of a dry eyeball, and almost hit his right hand on a door (but desperately trying not to)?

>>10013607
The context is that he's hanging on a door frame doing a tsukkomi-style reaction at a silly situation.

>>10013632
Or rather, peeking inside through the door.