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I haven't bought magic cards in years but I randomly purchased a pack of Avacyn Restored and got angel of jubilation and was happy because she is very cute and epic and poised and cute.

ANAHIREITO SHIKUSU

Probably. In MtG, gigantic super-beasts like dragons and leviathans only come out to be 7/7 or 9/9 beasts.

The single strongest human card I could find was Iwamori of the Open Fist, a 5/5 Legendary. (Kamahl, Pit Fighter is a 6/1, though.)

Even if we assume Servants should mostly be about the 5/5, 6/6, or even 10/10 range for someone insane like Herakles, Emrakul the Aeons Torn comes in at a tyrannical and eminent 15/15.
He also brings with him annihilator 6, so he can basically blow anything out of existence just by existing. It forces a sacrifice, it's not a destruction effect.
He has protection from colored spells, which I guess would mean he's immune to the five elements but wouldn't be immune to magic of imaginary colors. Angra Mainyu could defeat it, then.

>>9922971
How would you even get something that costs 15 into play. I don't play magic at all so maybe this is a stupid question.

>>9922971
>The single strongest human card I could find was Iwamori of the Open Fist, a 5/5 Legendary. (Kamahl, Pit Fighter is a 6/1, though.)

But Servants are Planeswalkers.

>>9922971
>immune to the five elements but wouldn't be immune to magic of imaginary numbers

>>9922976
Trickery one way or another.

There are tons of tricks to summon Emrakul for a low cost, even when cards from only recent sets are allowed.

Like this one, for Modern (cards from mid-2003 onwards).

>>9922976

The Eldrazi have a lot of methods for acquiring colorless mana, not the least of which is the mass production of Eldrazi Spawn, each one effectively being a single colorless mana.
With the right combination (two Training Grounds and a Spawnsire of Ulamog), you can pump out infinite Eldrazi Spawn in a positive loop for as much colorless mana as you please.
Otherwise, yes, 15 mana is a ludicrous amount and the game will probably end before you can get that much.

>>9922978

Unlikely. Oldwalkers far outclass Servants in terms of power. Neowalkers are strong but not actually as powerful as the 9/9-10/10 creatures they summon, and the 15/15 Emrakul makes Gideon shit his pants.

>>9922997
Yeah nevermind that was a stupid question, I didn't even think of things that would put into play based on creature type.

Can Emrakul kill ORT?

>>9923032

Due to Annihilator 6, it can probably banish ORT to wherever annihilated things go.

However, we have to remember that while engaging ORT, Crystal Valley is completely changing the rules. Emrakul will have to play Magic: the Gathering as dictated by the rules of Chess.
It basically defies logic and we cannot even adequately calculate the outcome of Crystal Valley's reality alteration.

>>9923042
>Emrakul will have to play Magic: the Gathering as dictated by the rules of Chess.

Emrakul will make ORT turn sideways and thus forfeit itself in chess.

>>9923053

If we assume Annihilator still works in these twisted rules.

Due to Crystal Valley's nature as an infectious reality rather than an overlapped reality (such as a Reality Marble), it takes absolute priority even on alien things. You have to play by the rules of Mercury if you want to approach ORT, and only Nasu knows what those rules are.

Actual MtG gameplay : kill someone by turn 3, or you lost.
If your deck takes more than 5 turn to win, it will never win.

>>9923060
>People thinking Crystal Valley works on living things instead of just terrain

>>9923105

The definition given in Type-Moon Character Material says it twists trees into towering crystal spires. Trees are alive.
Not saying it's fast enough to overwhelm and crystalize anyone who steps into it, the matter is that the REALITY has become converted already and therefore you have to play by the unworldly rules, even if you yourself are not yet Mercurial.

>>9923116
It's just crystal everywhere.

Shit, crystal trees are random encounters in SaGa Frontier 1.

How bad can it be?

>>9923125

Have you ever played EarthBound?
Do you remember fighting Giygas?
That's what fighting in an alien reality might be like.

You guys are overrating and misinterpreting Emrakul.

Protection from colored spells - This only means direct destruction, damage and alteration won't work on Emrakul unless it's done through artifacts. He'll still die easily from any spell that doesn't target him and any weapon. Even Lancer's Gay Bulge would insta-kill Emrakul (being Artifact - Equipment).

Annihilator - This does not in any way harm the servant itself. Have you guys ever played with or against Annihilator? The person suffering the consequences of Annihilator is the mage, and it takes a lot of sacrificing for someone to get rid of his most powerful assets. Sure, it will end up getting Emrakul sacrificed in the long run, but it's the same as how you can just kill a Master to remove the Servant; it has nothing to do with the Servant's power.

All that leaves is the ETB trigger (which is a very useful ability) and the fact that it's 15/15 flying. A normal flyer, regardless of size, can be chumpblocked by any other flyer or reach creature, and will be rendered harmless by an indestructible or regenerating creature with either ability. Meanwhile, it can also just be blocked to death if you have enough power - for example, by having a magical hax version of legendary heroes.

>>9922976
1. Put it into play using an effect.
2. Reduce its cost.
3. Use an infinite mana combo.
4. Creative excessive amounts of mana.
Various ways to go about it.

>>9923061
Varies per format. You should try casual multiplayer, those matches take anywhere from 30 minutes to 3 hours.

>>9922971
The strongest human is anything, including a 15/15 flyer prot:colored spells annihilator 6. See picture.

You're only comparing it to the normal humans, who don't use all sorts of magical trickery to achieve greatness. Servants were not normal humans.

>>9923130
You just pick the same command again and again and win automatically really easily?

>>9922971
By the way, the strongest Human (without any equipment whatsoever) is 8/8. Add some equipment and even Humans can beat Eldrazi.

>>9923151
He trades with 15 squirrel tokens

>>9923151

I'm not sure you understand the Annihilator power. It forces the DEFENDING player to sacrifice, not the controller of Emrakul.
Basically, Emrakul is blowing away the permanents of its opponent because it's destroying reality. It can destroy anything, but with 6 annihlations a turn, they're not going to have a lot of permanents to think about after even a single attack (unless you're playing against a token deck or something).

And sure even a Deadly Recluse (1/2 Reach Deathtouch) can instakill Emrakul (at least, as much as Emrakul can die, which is a reshuffle), but that's exploiting mechanics rather than the understanding of Emrakul's power as fluff.

Also, Emrakul probably does not have a heart to gae bolga. Gae Bolga is not a proper destroy effect, it's more like a deal-lots-of-damage-to-target-creature sort of thing.

And I was judging power as in personal stattage power, which Sakashima the Impostor has very little. Again, exploiting mechanics rather than the fluff of the matter.

>>9923157

You pray and pray that something will save you until ultimately an extradimensional GOD (read: the player) personally intervenes to save your life.

>>9923179
If the squirrel tokens were flying, that is.

>>9923174

That's an esoteric card from an ancient and pretty much invalid deck. I don't think that's even canon anymore, and I don't know if it ever was.

>>9923189
Exploiting mechanics my ass, trickery is how battles are won. It's like saying Iskander is just a really powerful human, ignoring the fact that he can summon an entire fucking army. If you were able to get the army into the air in some way, they'd completely slaughter Emrakul. Saber can use her Riding ability to get into a helicopter, plane or other flying vehicle, and use Excalibur (an anti-fortress noble phantasm) to obliterate even Emrakul. Gilgamesh's Ea would also easily kill Emrakul. And so on, and so forth.

The Fate universe would be a lot less interesting if all battles were just two guys standing still and punching each other in the face.

>>9923201
Legacy and Vintage legal. Deal with it.

>>9923061
Limited is the only good format.

>>9923217

>Exploiting mechanics my ass, trickery is how battles are won.

Right, but OP isn't "can Emrakul kill every Servant in every situation ever", it's just if Emrakul can kill Servants, which it almost certainly can.

>It's like saying Iskander is just a really powerful human, ignoring the fact that he can summon an entire fucking army. If you were able to get the army into the air in some way, they'd completely slaughter Emrakul.

That's only due to game mechanics. With fluff, Emrakul always comes with his brood of Eldrazi, and it's already been known to destroy entire human armies just by flying over them and Annihilation coming passively to destroy them all.

>Saber can use her Riding ability to get into a helicopter, plane or other flying vehicle, and use Excalibur (an anti-fortress noble phantasm) to obliterate even Emrakul.

Excalibur is almost certainly a white effect, which Emrakul is immune to.
Don't just use artifacts/equips to get around that. Excalibur probably wouldn't be represented as an equipment, but represented as an ability that Saber (almost certainly White) would innately have.

>Gilgamesh's Ea would also easily kill Emrakul. And so on, and so forth.

I didn't say Emrakul was invincible, either.

>>9923189
Furthermore,
>I'm not sure you understand the Annihilator power. It forces the DEFENDING player to sacrifice, not the controller of Emrakul.
>Basically, Emrakul is blowing away the permanents of its opponent because it's destroying reality. It can destroy anything, but with 6 annihlations a turn, they're not going to have a lot of permanents to think about after even a single attack (unless you're playing against a token deck or something).
No, it isn't. Emrakul is just rushing towards the enemy camp like a tornado, destroying lots of things among the way. Any decent mage can make sure that the things in his path are the things that can be sacrificed. The first two turns always involve lands and less useful permanents being sacrificed, only if it gets to keep attacking after that will the most important things go (at which point you were losing hard anyways). A decent mage can just endure the initial destruction and then kill the eldrazi.

>And sure even a Deadly Recluse (1/2 Reach Deathtouch) can instakill Emrakul (at least, as much as Emrakul can die, which is a reshuffle), but that's exploiting mechanics rather than the understanding of Emrakul's power as fluff.
That is the entire point of deathtouch. As the flavor text so neatly puts it, 'Even dragons fear its silken strands.' If you get poisoned by a deathtoucher, you will die unless you are specifically resistant to poison. Emrakul may be able to cause lots of destruction, he's still a weak creature that will die to simple poison. Contrast, for example, Progenitus, who simply can't be poisoned.

>>9923230
MtG stopped being good at around carnage.
Also, extended offers more possibilities.

>>9923234
>Excalibur is almost certainly a white effect
Excalibur an wepon
Excalibur an artifac

Stop doing a bad port by using only MtG rules when it's obviously two universe combined.

I don't think that Emrakul can kill Servants because Shiki can kill Emrakul.

>>9923236

>No, it isn't. Emrakul is just rushing towards the enemy camp like a tornado, destroying lots of things among the way. Any decent mage can make sure that the things in his path are the things that can be sacrificed. The first two turns always involve lands and less useful permanents being sacrificed, only if it gets to keep attacking after that will the most important things go (at which point you were losing hard anyways). A decent mage can just endure the initial destruction and then kill the eldrazi.

It's not mere destruction, though. The mechanics of annihilator force a sacrifice, so it can destroy even Indestructible things.
The mage gets to choose what's getting destroyed, but as far as fluff goes, Eldrazi are just blasting things out of existence because they're so damn crazy.

Still, the point I was raising originally is that nothing is immune to the effects of Annihilation, and if Emrakul was left to his own devices for too long, even legends must succumb.

>That is the entire point of deathtouch. As the flavor text so neatly puts it, 'Even dragons fear its silken strands.' If you get poisoned by a deathtoucher, you will die unless you are specifically resistant to poison. Emrakul may be able to cause lots of destruction, he's still a weak creature that will die to simple poison. Contrast, for example, Progenitus, who simply can't be poisoned.

As much as Emrakul can die. It cannot touch the graveyard (although this is more of a mechanical twist so there's no cheap ways to just sacrifice/revive it), and if it was really that simple then every planeswalker who's ever looked at an Eldrazi Titan would not wet themselves and cry.

There's more to the story than the mechanics of cards, y'know.

>>9923234
>Excalibur is almost certainly a white effect, which Emrakul is immune to.
>Don't just use artifacts/equips to get around that. Excalibur probably wouldn't be represented as an equipment, but represented as an ability that Saber (almost certainly White) would innately have.
No and no. Excalibur, like any other legendary weapon, is an Artifact - Equipment. This is relevant as both Gilgamesh and 5th Archer can use it as well (Gilgamesh searches his library, Archer puts a copy token onto the battlefield).
Furthermore, even if it were Saber's inherent ability, IT WOULD STILL WORK. That's why I'm saying you guys are overrating Emrakul. He has protection from colored SPELLS, not from colored PERMANENTS or anything else from that color. Only spells. Which means it can't be targeted, damaged or enchanted by instants/sorceries/enchantments. That's all the ability does.

>Right, but OP isn't "can Emrakul kill every Servant in every situation ever", it's just if Emrakul can kill Servants, which it almost certainly can.
And I'm saying no servant is retarded enough to get himself killed by Emrakul. The only servant he might possibly be able to kill is 5th Berserker, but he can regenerate eight times so Emrakul would probably lose the battle anyways.

>With fluff, Emrakul always comes with his brood of Eldrazi, and it's already been known to destroy entire human armies just by flying over them and Annihilation coming passively to destroy them all.
Redshirts are not a valid point of comparison. As for bringing his friends, that's what Ulamog's Spawnsire does. If Emrakul is summoned by a mage, you get only Emrakul, and nobody else. He has no inherent ability to summon his friends, unlike Iskander or Spawnsire of Ulamog.

>>9923265
>As much as Emrakul can die. It cannot touch the graveyard (although this is more of a mechanical twist so there's no cheap ways to just sacrifice/revive it).
So Deadly Recluse can't really kill Emrakul, he can just put him in the library for twenty turns. Pretty good for a 1G spider.

>>9923266

Shiki's abilities don't really mesh with MtG.

Rather than any form of destroy/sacrifice/exhile effect, it's more like some sort of "send target permanent to the graveyard, no questions asked".

>>9923265
>As much as Emrakul can die. It cannot touch the graveyard (although this is more of a mechanical twist so there's no cheap ways to just sacrifice/revive it)
Same goes for Servants. They don't die, they're absorbed into the holy grail (exiled, possibly imprinted).

>>9923286
I made this card ages ago. I'd say it fits. Unusual, but MtG prints unusual cards all the time.

>>9923286
What about removal stuff like Final Judgment

>>9923293
"Enchanted creature has, 'T, put X -1/-1 counters on enchanted creature: Destroy target creature with toughness X,'" is cleaner, unless you want it to get smaller even when things it didn't kill die.

>>9923286
They should just bring back "removed from the game."

>>9923274
>No and no. Excalibur, like any other legendary weapon, is an Artifact - Equipment. This is relevant as both Gilgamesh and 5th Archer can use it as well (Gilgamesh searches his library, Archer puts a copy token onto the battlefield).

Although this is nitpicking, Gilgamesh doesn't have Excalibur and Archer can't replicate the complete sword. That's why I consider it more of an innate-to-Saber than an artifact.

>Furthermore, even if it were Saber's inherent ability, IT WOULD STILL WORK. That's why I'm saying you guys are overrating Emrakul. He has protection from colored SPELLS, not from colored PERMANENTS or anything else from that color. Only spells. Which means it can't be targeted, damaged or enchanted by instants/sorceries/enchantments. That's all the ability does.

It doesn't grant Emrakul protection from abilities?
I guess I misunderstood. That gets a pass, then.

>And I'm saying no servant is retarded enough to get himself killed by Emrakul. The only servant he might possibly be able to kill is 5th Berserker, but he can regenerate eight times so Emrakul would probably lose the battle anyways.

The point remains that Emrakul CAN kill them, not that he'd defeat them in any engagement.
If he happened to approach them without anything to control its effects, then Annihilation takes hold and blows them out of existence.

>Redshirts are not a valid point of comparison. As for bringing his friends, that's what Ulamog's Spawnsire does. If Emrakul is summoned by a mage, you get only Emrakul, and nobody else. He has no inherent ability to summon his friends, unlike Iskander or Spawnsire of Ulamog.

Again with the fluff, Emrakul's brood lives on top of its skin. It's the size of a mountain, you know.

What about Progenitus. He has protection from everything, not just colored spells.

>>9923330

Effectively, there is no way to damage Progenitus. You have to do a world effect or a passive effect attack him in any way. So maybe Enuma Elish.
Theoretically, Emrakul can destroy Progenitus vis a vis Annihilator. Due to the way Annihilator works, nothing can be immune.

>>9923348
>Due to the way Annihilator works, nothing can be immune.
I see your Annihilator and laugh at it.

Anyways, Annihilator just destroys random stuff. Anyone capable of dodging it won't get screwed over by it. Not to mention the possibility of nullifying its effect, not even allowing its effect to trigger or even preventing an eldrazi from attacking in the first place. If a Servant dies to Annihilator, it's because his Master is worthless. If the Servant has the choice he can just throw his entire environment at the eldrazi and then run to a new environment for a fresh supply of things to be annihilated. The Master is the only thing that could make him 'lose' against eldrazi. Masters' interference can make any Servant to lose to anything; Lancer even lost to himself due to his Master being an asshole.

>>9923301
Yes, the idea was that the creature gets hurt even for just witnessing death (with the whole seeing the lines thing in itself being very self-destructive for normal humans).

Can Progenitus kill Servants?

>>9923397
Dies to a 19 cent crap rare.

>>9923400
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player / destroy all permanents / other than Worldslayer.

How poetic.

>>9923400
I have progenitus on a blue control deck. As if I'd let you cast this shit. Also got one of these (pic related).

Emrakul does break the flow of time, however. How do you fight something capable doing that?
How do you fight it if he can just keep doing it?

>>9923151
>Lancer's Gay Bulge would insta-kill Emrakul (being Artifact - Equipment)
Hmm, can you really say that, though? I mean, any weapons a creature owns and uses aren't separate from the creature itself, in general. It'd only be an equipment if it wasn't always in his possession and/or directly linked to him. I'm not entirely up on the lore, but I don't think that's the case for Lancer, is it? So its effects would be the same color as Lancer himself, being mostly an extension of him.

>>9923652

The combo won't even work, since Emrakul's extra turn triggers only it it's cast (not when it's put into battlefield by an effect such as Elvish Piper or Show-and-Tell).

>>9923652
>Emrakul does break the flow of time, however. How do you fight something capable doing that?

Can Emrakul kill Homura?

He totally looks like Walpurgis Night.

>>9923236
no, deadly recluse CAN'T kill emrakul, emrakul has protection from green so the recluse can't do ANY damage to it, and is therefore unable to activate death touch.

>>9924422
Emrakul has protection from colored SPELLS. Creatures and abilities can still hit it.

Any news from the guy who was making his own Touhou MTG-esque game? I've been looking forward to seeing new cards, they're really nicely designed.

>>9924434

Can Emrakul kill Yuuka?

>>9924697
Fat chance.

>>9924697
probably, shes not even taht strong for a youkai in cannon, only in the fanfic

>>9924697
Good luck, she's behind ten thousand sunflowers.

>>9924748
She is canon strongest touhou, zun confirmed.

Fucking secondary

>>9924877
But Raymoo is the strongest

>>9924877
then why does she lose to reimu AND marisa in 4? why is she shit in th9? zun confirmed.

Does anyone else buy mtg periodically just because the art is so amazing?

>>9925002
Danmaku skill and actual power are not the same. The two things are comparable to swordfighting and painting.
Danmaku is somewhere between an art and a game, and it requires different skills than just fighting. That's the reason it even exists, you secondary dickwad. Read the fucking print works before you run your mouth.

>>9925068
Please don't be a meanie, the /jp/ is a very happy place where mean is bad

>>9925059
I never noticed the tears.
I hate you so much, Bolas.

Can Shiki kill Emrakul?

>>9924368
The earthquake and tsunami in Sendai were an inside job. Walpurgis Night did it.

Walpurgis Night is Emrakul, and Wizards of the Coast owns Emrakul, so that means...

Wizards of the Coast did Sendai 2011.

As long as we're talking about MtG, I've been working on a Touhou-themed set. I've been thinking of how to implement spellcards, and I've come up with these two ideas. Which do you think works best?

Not really sure how balanced either one is...

>>9925059
I find taking this seriously impossible, since in my native language "Bolas" means balls.

>>9925229
Paying a spellcard cost should give it Split Second. You should remove the original Cannot be Countered effect and either lower its original cost or raise its damage.

>>9925229
Rare removal is kind of boring, I'd say try to balance it to be a uncommon.

>>9925243
What does Nicol mean?

>>9925289
Well, I meant for this to be uncommon on both versions.

>>9925259
I'd say an uncounterable 5 for 5 with a potential for making it cheaper and/or pseudo buy-back is fine, but I didn't ask about the card itself, just the spellcard mechanic.

>>9925178
no earthly perception of death
same reason shiki can't kill ORT

>>9925059
Am I the only one who finds this art kinda hot?

Good thing this shit is un-reanimatable. Doesn't mean it's balanced though

>>9925548
>un-reanimatable

>>9925571
You'd need one hell of a hand to pull that off

>>9925229
Both versions of Spellcard are either OP or unreasonable.

You can go like: Spellcard (You may tap X creatures which share the same color as this spell instead of paying its mana cost. If you do, exile it.)

This way, it will have that 'one chance to play' feel and the player will think when to use it.

>>9925597
Emrakul, Stifle, Animate Dead and two lands which produce U and B in some way (Island + Swamp works, any UB dual land plus any other land will also work, doesn't need to be untapped on turn 1).

Turn 1: Play land that produces at least U.
Turn 2: Do nothing. Discard Emrakul (as you started with 7 - one land + draw this turn), Stifle its trigger.
Turn 3: Play the other land to make sure you have 1B. Animate Dead the Emrakul.

That's the simplest (though not most efficient) way to do it. The Emrakul could also be replaced with an Entomb, in which case you just Entomb before your turn 3 and Stifle the trigger.

If you don't have Stifle or any other such effect, you could also just reanimate it at instant speed using a card like Coffin Queen or Nighteyes the Desecrator (flipside of Nezumi Graverobber), before its anti-reanimation ability resolves. The only things the ability prevents is easy reanimation and being milled. If you put any effort into it, reanimating him is trivial.

(Note that Emrakul's ability differs significantly from, say, Progenitus's, being a triggered ability (when ~ is put into a graveyard) instead of a replacement effect (if ~ would be put into a graveyard). Creatures with the latter really are impossible to reanimate.)

Can Nicol Bolas kill Servants?

>>9923652
Replace the piper with omniscience and throw in some way of getting it out easily. Also, how are you not running out of permanents?

I have a whole set that I would post pieces of but I can't decide on art for anything. It's so hard.

Looking at Diarmuid, Servants can be sacrificed, so Emrakul can force a Magus to sacrifice a Servant.

>>9923397
Arcueid = Progenitus. So of course it can.

>>9923397
Progenitus = Arcueid. So of course it can.

>People arguing whether or not Excalibur or Gae Bolg would work around Emrakul's color protection
Does it matter? You really think Lancer's stick or an Excalibur strike will end Emrakul? Assuming they find a way to even attack him around his Annihilator and turn skip mechanics.
Unless you have some actual instant-death gimmick akin to Yuyuko's powers, those hits will not kill such a mighty creature.
Also this whole discussion is being handled in a bit of a silly way. People are splitting story power and game power. Karona, for example, is one of the most mighty beings that ever existed in the world of MTG, yet is an incredibly shitty card in game that overgrown rhinoceroses could kill.

>>9924434
I was going to say she needs Flying, since Yuyuko is always floating, but bringing up flying in a touhou themed anything seems redundant.

>>9926257
>Unless you have some actual instant-death gimmick akin to Yuyuko's powers, those hits will not kill such a mighty creature.

Emrakul does not have indestructible.

>>9926336
Unless a stab from Gae Bolg or a swipe of Excalibur would outright kill a 15 toughness godlike monster, it doesn't matter. That's what I'm saying. Indestructible or Protections don't really matter, those weapons will not do enough damage to kill Emrakul.

>>9926380
Excalibur destroyed a monster that was a few blocks in size down to the last atom. And Gae-Bolg can kill DAA that even Excalibur was stated to be unable to destroy.

>>9925229
I would say the card on the right is better design.
The left mechanic is just buyback renamed, which can be quite unfun to play against when it is removal.

Most of this thread has gone way over my head. Kinda makes me want to play Magic. I think I recall seeing a computerized version on Steam?

>>9925229
This card should read "Master Spark can't be countered by spells or abilities."

It can still be countered by having no legal targets.

>>9926446
Yeah, Duels 2013, that's a good start for people new to magic. It lacks a lot of the features that make playing with physical cards so much fun, but it's not a bad game on it's own.

>>9926484
Which is why I love the new blue/white.
It's not as cheap as an unsummon, but I use hollowed fountain so the 2 life is a nice cushion

>>9926502
>lacks a lot of the features that make playing with physical cards so much fun

Like what? Aside from the tactile pleasure of physical cards, of course.

>>9922971
>he doesn't know about my Chaos Lord; Commander Greven il-Vec; or Zhou Yu, Chief Commander.

All humans who are biggers than Iwamori.

Also, you have to remember that every Servant is going to have a noble phantasm or reality marble which will inflate their power significantly.

Hell, in the MtG universe, a simple human archer with a basilisk collar, gorgon flail, or quietus spike (which could all be considered noble phantasms) can kill Emrakul in one shot.

>>9926523
Well for one, the game comes pre-loaded with a bunch of decks that can't truly be fully customized, I think only thirty additional cards per deck can be unlocked. The decks cover a wide variety of themes though, you've got goblins, white token deck, blue flyer, blue control, and more.

>>9926418
Emrakul is way bigger than a few blocks, though.

>>9926529
Greven was enhanced by weird phyrexian whatsit, and Zhou Yu was from three kingdoms, and knows what the fuck is up with that set.

>>9926529
>Hell, in the MtG universe, a simple human archer with a basilisk collar, gorgon flail, or quietus spike (which could all be considered noble phantasms) can kill Emrakul in one shot.

Don't they still have to punch through his 15 Toughness?

>Basilisk Collar
>Noble Phantasm

You funny guy.

>>9926603
No. All those cards he mentioned are equipment that give the wielder deathtouch, which lets him kill on contact regardless of toughness.

>>9926603
If you don't understand how deathtouch works, then don't comment on Basilisk Collar.

Can a Magus win a Holy Grail War with Near-Death Experience?

>>9926540

Well, that's kinda lame but okay. I'll give it a go and if I like it enough I guess I could try this 'Magic Online' for full customization. Thanks.

lol @ this discussion actually happening

But Excalibur easily blows away mountains, so if the defense is "Emrakul is as big as a mountain" then its shit is fucked.

>>9926518
Why does Dramatic Rescue move an enemy's creature and not your own?

"You could have hurt yourself!"

>>9926692
>But Excalibur easily blows away mountains, so if the defense is "Emrakul is as big as a mountain" then its shit is fucked.

A mundane, regular mountain is not an elder god mountain.

>>9926697
It blew away Cthulu too.

>>9926699
Who was not, in fact, mountain-sized.

Your move.

>>9926693
But you can move your own too if you want.

>>9926720
It was destroyed down to the last atom, as it was explicitly stated all matter was annihilated. Do you know how much energy is needed to do that?

>>9926720
It's not like there was anything to suggest that the mountain size of it would make a difference. That's what Excalibur is designed to take down, gigantic things like that.

>>9926725
So how does it work on enemy creatures? Does that gryphon swoop down, grab a guy, and fly back out while outracing an explosion...just to realize it grabbed the wrong guy and awkwardly drops him off at his house?

>>9926734
I think it's more like a giant tree monster or something is going to step on your little Azorian who's just trying to do his job an uphold the law when a fucking gryphon comes out of nowhere and lifts the tree away, causing an explosion.

>>9923042
>>9923116
Actually, Eldrazi are alien monstronsity unbound by the rules of planar logic. Normally, they exist outside reality as we understand it, feeding on it and destroying planes. As such, the Eldrazi titans would more or less be immune to the reality marble-like effect, because they are already beings outside reality.

>>9926754
Are Eldrazi the Reapers?

>>9926748
>causing an explosion
For some reason this really made me laugh. Magic needs more explosions.
Like look at this guy. He totally needs a big explosion in the background.

>>9926764
Na. The Reapers had a controller and objective, and just killed life. If Eldrazi have an intelligence, it is completely beyond our understanding, and they literally eat everything.

>>9926781
This. They're more like Lovecraftian gods, really.

As far as we know, they're just beings driven by instinct who happen to drain the energy of planes to feed. The ones in card form represent them after they got sealed then partially released.

>>9926640
>Can a Magus win a Holy Grail War with Near-Death Experience?
Since most of the Holy Grail Wars were won either through trickery or stright-up bullshit, I'd say yes. Near-Death Experience is exactly the kind of thing that would win a Grail War.

>>9926806
> Lovecraftian God
> Cthulu
> was destroyed by Excalibur

>>9926835
Cthulhu isn't a god, he's a priest. An alien, incomprehensible being from beyond the stars, certainly, but not a god.
He worships the Lovecraftian gods.

>>9926835
Lovecraftian Gods can't be destroyed, you silly anon.

>>9926257
>People are splitting story power and game power. Karona, for example, is one of the most mighty beings that ever existed in the world of MTG, yet is an incredibly shitty card in game that overgrown rhinoceroses could kill.
Karona's power came from creatures worshiping her, and it was ability power, not physical power; she could accomplish anything people believed she could accomplish. Her pinnacle of strength, the moment she was the most powerful creature on Dominaria was during Legions. She was printed during Scourge, after her power had waned significantly.

Very little is known about how she compares to the rest of the multiverse; she compared herself to Yawgmoth and Teferi and found herself superior, both encounters most likely never happened at all; Teferi himself (in Planeswalker form) does not recall the encounter at all, and Yawgmoth was confirmed dead long before the supposed meeting and hasn't been seen since. It may be that she never was all that powerful; her power originates from delusions (hence her title of 'False God'), and may itself be little more than delusions.

It's true that in-game power and story power used to be completely separate things (lol mightstone), but as time went on cards represented their story counterparts more and more closely. Emrakul's card is representative of his power; far superior to any living creature, fearsome even for the stronger planeswalkers (the players), but not at all invincible.

>Unless you have some actual instant-death gimmick akin to Yuyuko's powers, those hits will not kill such a mighty creature.
Gay Bulge is pretty much 'Equipped creature has 'T: Destroy target creature.'', and Excalibur is pretty much Wrath of God on a stick (it's an anti-fortress Noble Phantasm, meaning it could kill anything in a huge area, just like average MTG mass destruction spells).

>>9926835
I do think Saber could possibly destroy it. Like most crossovers, it depends on who's doing the writing.

It wouldn't be as easy as destroying not-Cthulhu was though. Setting aside the card mechanics (because that's just silly), Emrakul's thing is that he warps reality around him, much like ORT. Space rips, time bends, and magic (mana) just doesn't work right. That includes stuff like Saber's sword. That's not to say it's inherently impossible, just unlikely. There'd be a fair bit of pic related.

Now that I think about it, Emrakul is quite a bit like ORT and the Ultimate Ones in power levels. I'd put them on pretty equal footing, with maybe a slight advantage to ORT (unless the Eldrazi are in their original forms, in which case it's not even a fight, because they literally can't be interacted with except by means of extremely strong magic)

>>9926876
>but not at all invincible
I don't know. It took three strong, pre-mending planeswalkers to just seal away the Eldrazi. Surely they would have killed them if they could.
Note that pre-mending bit. These were Urza-level guys.

>>9926876
By the way, forgot to mention, Karona was killed by two humans in a backstab attack (using the Mirari in sword form).

>>9926890
That was them in their original non-physical forms. They'd basically be impossible to destroy, as far I know.

I think the physical form is weaker, especially once you consider they've been starved of food for so long.

>>9926896
>>9926876
Yeah, Karona was basically a really weak planeswalker. Old walker, but still. Also that didn't really kill her. I mean, it destroyed Karona, so to speak, but then that just became Jessica once Karn came 'round and helped her.

I just want to say I'm really looking forward to New Phyrexia suddenly getting a face full of horrible eldrich abominations.
Compleate this, fuckers.

>>9926890
And none of said planeswalkers were harmed during the sealing. The reason they couldn't kill the eldrazi is the same reason Servants can't technically 'kill' eldrazi; they can't really be killed (see the shuffle into library effect). The only way to truly remove them is by exiling them (sealing them away). Most Servants wouldn't be able to truly kill eldrazi, but the eldrazi wouldn't be able to kill them either (as they'll be "killed" by the Servants if they try).

>>9926911
That would be so awesome.

Best end is compleated eldrazi though.

>>9926916
I dunno, I think many Servants would lose to an Eldrazi. Those without an anti-fortress or better NP are fucked, really. Those with can do as you said, though.

>>9926896
Well, yeah. It's The Mirari. It does what you want.

>>9926916
I'm unconvinced. If they can only kill in their corporeal forms, how are they so dangerous?

>>9926911
Be careful what you wish for.

Eldrazi Colossus (15)
Artifact Creature - Eldrazi Golem (Mythic Rare)
Eldrazi Colossus can't be countered.
When you cast Eldrazi Colossus, take an extra turn after this one.
Flying, trample, infect, annihilator 6
If Eldrazi Colossus would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead.
15/15

>>9926924
Because when they're not in their corporeal forms, instead of killing you directly, they eat reality. Which, unless you're a planeswalker, generally has the unfortunate side effect of killing you.

>>9926941
Make it cost 15 Phyrexian mana. Colorless Phyrexian mana.

>>9926928
Not strong enough. Give it Phyrexian Obliterator's ability, make it cost 13, and make sure the first word in it's name can be abbreviated as BS.

>>9926930
Well, couldn't they kill servants like that?
Oom nom nom, delicious reality. I think I got some Saber stuck in my teeth.

>>9926945
Oh god you could actually play it.

>>9926770
>Stromkirk Noble can't be blocked by humans.

That guy sounds like a pretentious jerk.

>>9926948
Probably. I honestly have no idea how you're supposed to beat them like that - no one's done it, they just go sealed away (and subsequently released into physical forms).

They roamed free once, but then a trio of planeswalkers (old walkers) got together and used a particularly tasty plane as bait. They eldrazi came for it, and then they used their bullshit walker powers to seal them. The process of doing so fucked up the plane pretty bad.

Fast forward a long ass time, and a trio of dumbass neowalkers broke the seal on them. Now they're loose and basically eating the plane, in physical form. Once they eat the whole damn thing, they'll go back to being incomprehensible energy beings or whatever.

But I figure we were talking about the physical forms, because fighting something that doesn't exist on your level of reality is fairly dubious.

>>9926965
Haters gonna hate.
Look at that walk. He ain't got time for you.

>>9926446
Yes, it's called Duels of the Planeswalkers 20XX, where XX is always this year in the first half of the year and next year in the latter half of the year (so now it's '2013'). It's apparently a good starting point for new players (Mark Rosewater [important Magic dude] commented that DotP brought in tons of players). The demo is free, the game itself costs some money (but not much). However, you are missing out on the best parts of MTG; the main missing feature is deckbuilding (creating your own deck is absolutely essential unless you're a soulless play-to-win only tournament player), and playing against real human players with their own styles (and decks to fit that style) is what makes MTG so amazing; every MTG game is different since everybody plays in very different ways, creating lots of interesting interactions.

Once you know the basics and want to build own decks but don't want to spend money yet, you can try the old Win95 game 'Magic: the Gathering' (fan nickname is 'Shandalar', should make it easier to find). Its ruleset is very outdated and it has a relatively small (and most of all, old) card pool, but it allows full deck construction and is generally an awesome game. If you want to get serious, either find a group to play with IRL or play Magic: the Gathering Online (which requires buying virtual cards).

What's your favorite guild, /jp/?

>>9926970
Why doesn't Saber have vigilance?

>>9926974
I wish I had that card, I don't have many cards from that set actually. I very recently re-started collecting and 99% of my collection is 2013 and RtR

>>9926970
I really wish full images were working right now. Thar looks nice.

>>9926981
It doesn't exist. Silly, I know.

>>9926984
That's just a pretty token. Pretty much every servant would make for a very silly card. I guess you'd break their NPs up into separate cards and it wouldn't be so bad, but still.

Innistrad was a fun set, but RtR is shaping up to be great.

>>9926981
Azorius, all their policemen are armored women.

Seriously though, detain is a fun new mechanic.

>>9926985
>play Magic: the Gathering Online (which requires buying virtual cards)
I thought that was there only if you wanted to purchase a physical copy of that card.

>>9926985
The one time I went to a FNM thing or maybe a new block unveiling everyone there was using effectively the same type of shit. Either that or everyone was so incredibly good that it just made it really not fun. Its a shame cause I love the art on the cards and I've always though it was fun to collect them for kicks.

>>9926883
>Now that I think about it, Emrakul is quite a bit like ORT and the Ultimate Ones in power levels. I'd put them on pretty equal footing, with maybe a slight advantage to ORT (unless the Eldrazi are in their original forms, in which case it's not even a fight, because they literally can't be interacted with except by means of extremely strong magic)

What would happen if ORT got Eldrazi Conscripted?

>>9927004
If your local card shop does it for FNM, play in the draft tournaments, it essentially puts everyone on a level playing field, you can't bring in your deck you spent $200 on.

>>9926996
I don't know. RtR seems pretty underpowered, and the new keywords are pretty dull.
I might be biased, though. None of my favorite guilds are in the opening set, except Izzet, so....

>>9926998
No, sadly. MTGO is about as much like playing paper magic as is possible, including buying boosters. There are ways unofficial ways to play online, though, like Cockatrice.

>>9926999
I too prefer none of the 9 guilds. How strange.

>>9927002
The End.

>>9926948
Joke's on you, Servants are also outside of reality when not being sent out to fix shit (Throne of Heroes and all that).

>>9926991
I was about to ask if anyone else had that problem. It doesn't seem fully broken, though - Warosu manages to archive the images without any problem (I have the thread open there right now so I can open images fully on there).

>>9926981
Izzet. There has never been any doubt about it and there never will be any doubt about it. My main color (besides 'colorless', if you count that) is blue, my secondary color is red, and my playing style can only be described as red-blue: use complicated strategies and tricks to achieve all kinds of awesome stuff without really doing anything useful. I'm talking about creating infinite tokens, drawing my entire deck, gaining infinite life, having infinite mana, and so on, and still managing to lose the game. I deck myself every now and then just because I do too much stuff without winning.

>>9927010
I'll have to check out online options now, leaving my house really isn't an option anymore. I've seen quite a few people playign some variant of magic on twitch though, would you know what that is?

>>9927013
Oh that's a darn shame then, I guess it's not a horrible alternative for people who don't have a card shop nearby or don't want to bother playing in person.

>>9927017
Like
>>9927013
said, it's probably Cockatrice, which has a hard-to-grasp interface at first, but all the cards are available and netplay is quite good. It's not officially supported by Wizards I don't think, though.

>>9927025
Yeah I saw that post after I had posted, thanks for replying though.

>>9927012
I was kinda down on it for a while, but after actually playing with the cards for a bit it's definitely grown on me.

It doesn't hurt that I finally found a quasi-viable Epic Experiment deck.

>>9927017
Try Cockatrice. There's a cockatrice general in /vg/. It does focus on more competitive play, but if you mention you're new I'm sure they'll help.

>>9927018
The real benefit is you can draft, in your underwear, at any hour of the day or night.

>>9927021
I'm not having image problems, but everything on /f/ was showing as 404'd, so I guess something is up.

/jp/ - MtG Culture

>>9927037
Otakus can play mtg too, anon!

>>9927037
These guys are really cute and happy and respond to you really quick so i like them

>>9927048
I think this would be her favorite card

I'm used to playing with paper cards, is Cockatrice active?

>>9927053
Sounds about right

>>9927059
There's people on it, sure.

>>9927071
Those aren't yours... are they?

>>9927059
If you're used to physical cards, don't even bother with Cockatrice. It's so incredibly inconvenient...every single motion you do in real Magic needs to be done through Cockatrice's slow and inefficient interface. I tried it once and I'm never returning to it again. I can understand its use for competitive play, but as a casual player, I have much, much more fun playing with physical cards.

>>9927049
>and respond to you really quick so i like them
I don't know what it is about magic players, but you get them started on the topic and they'll go on and on about it. You'd think there would be not enough to talk about

>>9927082
That is why they are very cute because they are passionate happy people

>>9927077
Haha, no. Some crazy anon collects them for some reason.

Lot of anons with weird collections.

>>9927080
While I agree that physical cards are more fun, if you don't have people you want to play with IRL, cockatrice is an acceptable substitute.

>>9927002
>What would happen if ORT got Eldrazi Conscripted?

Dies to removal.

>>9927082
There's 12.000 unique cards in Magic: the Gathering. Played together, they cause countless different interactions. I play this game for one night a week for about ~6 hours, always with the same people. Yet even to this day, every match feels different. With MTG, you NEVER run out of stuff to talk about. Never.

>>9927071
Why are there 9 stacks? Lorthos is displeased.

>>9927087
Goat tokens are only 15 cents apiece. From http://www.adventureson.com/cgi-bin/shopping/ex_prodshow.cgi?prodid=130243&sid=pLTZL8OGsZ you can order 18 right now for less than $3. So, while it is awesome, it's not that impressive.

>>9927110
I think it's more for the humor.

>>9927120
Thank you for not being a meanie to him.

>>9927110
Probably not, it's just funny the weird stuff people collect.

>>9927082
Fun things are fun! There's plenty of stuff to talk about, in any case.

>>9927010

this isn't exactly true. Your playing field is leveled by limited deck construction, but knowledge of the set and mechanics being drafted, as well as being able to read 'tells' of what others are choosing, makes draft very hard for new players.

>>9927134
But the idea of draft can be boiled down pretty simply.

"Get evasion, don't limit yourself to a color right at the start, get removal"

>>9927134
This is true. I'd recommend Sealed as the best event for new players. It's got the 'level playing ground' factor, but without the demanding, skill intensive draft portion.

>>9927138
It can be hard for newer players to see when they're being cut out of a color and such, though. Also there are usually cards which are deceptively good/bad.

>>9927146
That's true. I'm just trying to talk from personal experience at my local card shop, we don't get a lot of people for FNM, maybe 30 or so, but there's always a couple newbies who come and always talk about having a great time at Draft.

>>9927161
Oh, it can definitely happen! Especially if they put effort into learning what works and what doesn't. Draft is probably just a little more failsafe.

>>9927165
You mean Sealed?

>>9927179
Whoops. Yes, yes I do.

What color are the Servants, mt/jp/? Saber is obviously White.

>>9927206
i could take the easy way out and say lancer is blue, but pikes/spears have always been a green thing.

>>9927213
I would think Lancer is red

He's pretty impulsive and a bit angry.

Surely /jp/ remains loyal and has not fallen to the wiles of the Baneslayer?

I just finished reading the thread
Thank you for playing nice /jp/, it was a good read, and I love you all!

>>9927241
Shut up and get back in the corner with your fatass robot brother.

>>9927244
I love you to friend and think you are very happy and cute

>>9927241
Baneslayer is so last season.

>>9926970
>Now they're loose and basically eating the plane, in physical form.

So what's the current status of the Eldrazi in Zendikar in the storyline?

>>9927278
That's it. Gideon fought a bunch of the small ones and won, but then Emrakul showed up. He said fuck this and ran off to Ravnica to get help. As of now the Eldrazi are still fucking around on Zendikar, trapped in material form.

So it ended with a big TO BE CONTINUED, basically.

>>9927288
Good thing the Azorius are still around to lay down the law.

>>9927288
I'm rooting for the Zendikarians...but I know it's most likely for nothing.

>>9927288
Gideon is a huge faggot, unlike mah nigga Jace.

>>9927213
Uh, no, pikes and spears are clearly white and have always been. Pikes and spears are traditional army weaponry, and both army and weaponry are often white.

>>9927206
Saber: White
Gilgamesh: White
4th Rider: White
4th Caster: Black/Red
4th Berserker: Red/White
True Assassin: Black
5th Archer: White
5th Rider: Difficult call. Her loyalty is clear white, but her methods border on black. The question is how much the means affect color when the motive is clearly a different color.
5th Caster: Black
5th Berserker: Red
5th Assassin: Red (in the Kamigawa samurai way, not the usual clear chaos)
Angra Manyu: Black

>>9927356
No one blue, huh.

I suppose magi are pretty blue.

Also I'd call 5th berserker at least part Green.

Regarding pikes and lances: All three colored cards with 'pike' in their name in picture. Two are white, one is red. All colored cards with lance in their name can be found at http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&name=+[lance]+![balance]+!
[glance]+![vigilance]&color=+![C] . 8 out of 15 are white, 4 are red, 2 are black, and one is black/blue. Blue only has half a lance, and green has no lances at all. White is clearly the lance/pike color, followed by red. This is related to lances representing first strike, which is primarily white and red.

>>9927376
Yeah wizards and such have traditionally been blue haven't they

>>9927392
Pikes and lances should just be white cause white is all soldiers, knights and general medieval badasses.

>>9927376
There's nothing green about Berserker. He's a fatty, and fatties are most prevalent in green, but this is a case of a non-green fatty. He was originally a great warrior turned demi-god, summoned in the form of a madman. His extra lives are a divine blessing, not natural regeneration. There is nothing natural about him, and he doesn't give a single fuck about nature (or anything, really).

>>9927403
Well, Magic being Magic, there are mages in all colors

But learning and knowledge is blue, which is pretty much what magi obsess over (reaching the root etc).

>>9927409
I was thinking regeneration + STRONG. Caring about strength and might makes right is pretty Green. But I suppose.

Hey, isn't Memnarch basically ORT?

Blue and white-colored spider guy who makes crystals.

>>9927376
>>9927403
Kiritsugu: Blue
Irisviel: White
Kotomine: Black
Tokiomi: Blue
Waver: Blue
Kariya: Red
Ryuunosuke: Black
Kayneth: Blue (maybe a little bit white)
Sola-ui: Didn't get enough screentime to judge properly.
Zouken: Black
Shirou: White
Rin: Blue/Red
Sakura: Black
Shinji: Black
Ilya: White
Kuzuki: Difficult one. His extremely disciplined training is green, the way he goes about it is blue. I'd say Green/Blue.
Caster: Still black.

>>9927436
Memnarch makes crystals?
And ORT is really strong, right? Memnarch wasn't THAT powerful in the grand scheme of things.

>>9927416
Yeah I suppose, i was thinking like some of the cards from back in the 90s where a lot of the straight up wizards were all blue.

>>9927436
Not really, considering Menmarch is a random robot and ORT is a super god thing. ORT'd kick his shit in.

Also he didn't really make crystals at all. He was infected by the phyrexian bio weapon (which also caused the whole mycosynth thing), but he didn't make that.

>>9927443
Kiritsugu is definitely White. The rest seems alright.

>>9927449
Yeah, they've kinda shifted away from that.

>>9927416
>Caring about strength and might makes right is pretty Green.
It's just as much, if not more so, red. Green is survival of the fittest (which tends to strongly favor the strongest). Red is survival of the physically strongest, Black is the survival of those with the most power. Blue and white don't feel so insecure about their power that they need to kill others to prove it.

>>9927444
>>9927449
Considering
1. Memnarch is the Mirari;
2. Memnarch shaped the entire plane of Mirrodin;
and 3. Memnarch had almost become a planeswalker (old style) if it weren't for those meddling kids
I'd say he's pretty damn powerful, just very unlucky that he got screwed by plot hax in two different ways (Glissa levels up like a shounen protagonist during her journey and ends up killing Memnarch, and even had he survived he would've become compleat and mindlessly won the Mirran War before it even started).

>>9927454
>Kiritsugu is definitely White. The rest seems alright.
White does not equal 'good'. White is law and order. Blue is rational thought and trickery. Kiritsugu performed countless assassinations because rationally, it would be the best thing to do. Assassinations are black/blue, deciding on a course of action completely disregarding any moral consequences is strongly blue (unless it's for selfish gain, in which case it can also be black. Red and green don't really think about their actions much). Kiritsugu knows he is a murderer and does not delude himself into thinking he's some kind of knight in shining armor; his morality is completely incompatible with white.

>>9927470
I loved reading those three books about Glissa back when mirrodin was the current set, did they ever make more after the three?

Nasu: Red
Urobuchi: Black
Jun Maeda: White
Ryukishi07: Red/Black
Takumi Nakazawa: Blue

>>9927480
Utilitarianism is also White, however, which is pretty much Kiritsugu's defining ethos. Blue is defined by an reluctance to act, especially in the absence of information, which never struck me as particularly like Kiritsugu. He's pretty proactive.

>>9927492
They made full 3 book sets for kamigawa, ravnica, and time spiral as well.

>>9927492
Not about Mirrodin, no. For a long time, each set had one book associated with it, thus three books per block. They stopped doing it a long time ago (I think it was after Time Spiral). The cards themselves reveal Glissa became just a random Phyrexian soldier during the war, though. Nobody knows if Slobad is still alive, let alone what he's doing these days if he's still alive (he should be, being a planeswalker and all).

>>9927506
Those were nice books. I wouldn't love Ravnica even half as much if I hadn't read the books.
Well, the first two at least. Dissension was pretty dumb.

>>9927517
I agree, I loved the Ravnica books. Even the silly ending.

>>9927506
>>9927501
Oh, they were pretty decent easy entertainment, thats to bad that Glissa didn't get anymore stuff. Her three books just kinda ended and I always wanted to know more.

>>9927529
Yeah, that's kinda what they did for a while there, just hop worlds and forget about them.

>>9927492
Personally, I absolutely loved Moons of Mirrodin. I usually hate novels for being overly descriptive and boring instead of just going ahead and telling the story, but MoM had pacing I could really agree with. It remained interesting throughout the entire story.

Then came The Darksteel Eye, which was back to more typical novel writing. I trudged through it because I wanted to know how it continued, but I can't say I enjoyed it much and I don't really remember much of what happened in it.

After that was The Fifth Dawn. It was really boring (not sure if it's worse than TDE or if my patience had just worn out), and I ended up just dropping it near the start.

>>9927517
>>9927520
Book one: Something mysterious is moving beneath the streets of Ravnica...
Book two: Something mysterious is moving at about street level in one of Ravnica's suburbs...
Book three: BRARGH GIANT MONSTERS KOS IS A GHOST AND THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN STOP THE VILLAIN WHO IS EVERYBODY BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS SO HOLY SHIT THAT ZOMBIE GUY'S BACK AND NOW HE'S DEAD HEY DID YOU KNOW JARAD AND FONN ARE DIVORCED AND HAVE A DIVIDED KID ITS REALLY IMPORTANT I SWEAR IT IS EVERYBODY IS EVIL AND HEY REMEMBER THAT CHARACTER YOU LIKED WELL THEY DIED OR AREN'T IMPORTANT AND THE BIG BAD GETS KILLED WITH SOMETHING FROM GHOSTBUSTERS DID WE MENTION GIANT MONSTERS THEY'RE A THING AND NIV'MIZZET IS A FUCKING PANSY VIRUSOID VIRUSOID VIRUSOID

>>9927539
I remember the first book just had me so hooked that I just loved the other two because it featured the same characters.

>>9927539
The first book was really interesting because the world was really interesting. it was our first glance at Mirrodin, which is pretty weird with its fantasy take on scifi. The later books just didn't have as much sense of discovery.

>>9927550
GHOST DETECTIVE LOL

But seriously at least we're seeing what happened to some of them now that we're returning.

>>9927539
There were Myr. They mostly appeared in Darksteel, so it's ok if you missed them.

You missed out on Fifth Dawn. It starts slow, but gets good once it gets going. There's time travel done sorta right, big wars, and Geth returns to be the best character in the series.
Not as good as Moons, though.

I wonder if the mirrodin books would still be good if I went back and reread them.

>>9927550
Hey, you know what would be AWESOME? We make the old grizzled badass beat cop into a ghost, and then have him get stuck in some fat fuck for the whole book.

>>9927559
Wait, they were actually mentioned in the book? I know canonically the Eye works through using the Myr as security cameras, but AFAIK they were never directly mentioned in the novel.

>>9927569
Not that I remember

There was a bunch of hubbub about the levelers, which of course then only gets one janky card

>>9927569
Yeah, they are. Usually in some separate paragraph about "something" scuttling into the rafters or vents or what have you after observing the previous scene. I don't remember if they ever actually get named, but they're definitely Myr.
I'm amazed nobody ever sees the very un-stealthy child-sized robot bird in the corner. I guess they're to distracted by Glissa being a whiny pile of angst or that utterly pointless wolf guy.

Would Enuma Elish be Wrath of God?

>>9927735
I think it's pretty much World Slayer.

>>9927806
But Worldslayer is Excalibur.

>>9927839
I dunno, makes sense to me that the anti-world weapon would be World Slayer.

>>9923400
>Dies to a 19 cent crap rare.

>implying you'll get off Worldslayer before your opponent plops down a Progenitus

>>9925943
I see your Nicool Brolas and raise you an Emracool.

>>9927806
Worldslayer also slays the creature that uses it, so unlikely.

>>9928507
Gil is obviously indestructible.

Until confronted with plot, anyways.

>>9928823
Gil is a weak shit. He is only strong thanks to his artifacts.

>>9928840
B-but serious Gil

But yeah, if Gil were a card, he'd be Stoneforge Mystic on crack.

>>9928850
0: Search your library for an Equipment card and put it into play, then shuffle your library.

>>9928850
Dies to removal.

>>9928933
No it doesn't.

Can The Hymens Torn kill Servants?

>>9929542
Emmy-chan is so kawaii

>>9922910
Is this Emrakul a memetic badass in Magic or something?

I don't play but once while shopping for games I randomly bought a few packs and got this.

>>9927096
about 8000 cards are either completely unplayable, or straight downgrades from another card.

>>9929597
It's not really memetic. He's basically an outer god, there's not much of a joke required to make him 'badass'.

A better example of that would be Storm Crow or Chimney Imp.

>>9929597
Nothing memetic about Emrakul's badassery. He/she/it's probably the single strongest creature in the game, albeit only in a vacuum.
Hitting someone with Emrakul is like reaching across the table, grasping the back of their head, and slamming their face into the table. Twice.

>>9929618
No, that's a Mindslaver lock.

Wish I could have been here from the beginning. Gae Bolg's ability is more akin to whither than deathtouch.

>>9928952
Oblivion Ring, Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, etc

>>9929647
Mindslaver lock is doing it with both hands repeatedly until the game ends.

>>9929608
Different formats, especially limited and casual formats, really cut down one the number of irrelevant cards.

>>9929655
That's more Gae Buidhe than Gae Bolg

Why does Emrakul look like Walpurgis Night?

Can Urza kill Servants?

>>9932932
Urza killed Yawgmoth, and I'm pretty sure Yawgmoth could kill servants

>>9932932
Easily.

>>9932932
ah, Urza, the Jesus of the whole franchise.
Have you read the Brother's War?

>>9932932
Hell yeah he can

>>9932933
>>9932957
>>9932961
>>9932985
But can Urza the Oldwalker kill ORT?

>>9932961
I don't recall Jesus wrecking entire worlds in failed attempts to stop what he himself caused.

>>9933691
You should blibble the Motaga Urza bibby.

>>9933396
Probably not

I think he could hold it off long enough to escape, but killing it might be tough. He'd probably need to get a couple other oldwalkers together.

I am pretty sure that you can solve almost anything by throwing three or so oldwalkers at it, provided you can get them to stop being immortal prima donnas and actually work together

>>9934519
It took nine plus more oldwalkers and thousands of years of preparation just to mow down one old bastard, and they couldn't even finish the job.

>>9934555
That's because they couldn't fucking work together

They backstabbed the shit out of each other, and in the end Urza himself decided to betray them for the sake of knowledge.

What if we throw Kaguya and Mokou at Emrakul?

>>9934555
To be fair, it was the greatest bastard of all time. And they did finish the job, his influence just spread further without him.

>>9935774
Then they die.

>>9935774
Forced to sacrifice permanents.

>>9935774
>Kaguya and Mokou
This creature ignores all effects of spells, enchantments, artifacts and creatures that would cause it to leave the field.
If this card is sent to the graveyard, regenerate it. This effect cannot be prevented.

>>9938480
>is sent
I meant "would be sent"
Fucking lawyers playing M:tG

>>9938490
>Fucking lawyers playing M:tG
Kaguya Houraisan can't die. (It can't be sacrificed or destroyed by effects. State-based effects that would cause it to be placed into a graveyard, such as lethal damage or zero toughness, are ignored.)

>>9938680
Misleading, as 'die' already has an MTG definition (being sent from the battlefield to the graveyard). 'Can't die' as such can't be defined as a specific ability, as other creatures like Emrakul also 'can't die' but don't have those abilities. Furthermore, 'effects' is meaningless in MTG rules talk; it should be 'spells or abilities'.

Okay, so it survives being blocked by Emrakul now. It still can't kill Emrakul or block Emrakul (meaning that while she survives she still can't do anything useful at all), and she is easily removed with exile effects, bounce effects, control effects, ability removal effects, etc.

>>9938764
So how would you have to word it for her to never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, be able to leave the playing field, once played.
That's what the Hourai Elixir does.
I suppose you could just say, "Once played, Kaguya/Mokou cannot be removed from the field. This effect cannot be removed."

>>9938764
>Misleading, as 'die' already has an MTG definition (being sent from the battlefield to the graveyard).
And it is indeed the case that Kaguya Houraisan cannot be sent from the battlefield to the graveyard.

>Furthermore, 'effects' is meaningless in MTG rules talk; it should be 'spells or abilities'.
701.6. Destroy
701.6b The only ways a permanent can be destroyed are as a result of an _effect_ that uses the word "destroy" or as a result of the state-based actions that check for lethal damage (see rule 704.5g) or damage from a source with deathtouch (see rule 704.5h). If a permanent is put into its owner’s graveyard for any other reason, it hasn’t been "destroyed."

>It still can't kill Emrakul or block Emrakul (meaning that while she survives she still can't do anything useful at all).
_Spell of Eternity_ - Permanents you control can't die.

>and she is easily removed with exile effects, bounce effects, control effects, ability removal effects, etc.
Emrakul folds to all white global and Oblivion Ring, but I thought we didn't care about that.

>>9938774
Mokou can't leave the battlefield.
This effect can't be removed.

>>9938790
That rule would play havoc when someone reduced Mokou's toughness to 0, though.

>>9938790
>>9939231
You can make her have some kind of Undying/Persist.

>>9939297
"At the beginning of your upkeep, if Mokou is in your graveyard, return it to the battlefield tapped.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if Mokou has been exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped."

>>9938774
>That's what the Hourai Elixir does.
No. That's not what it does at all. The Hourai elixir makes it impossible to die. That's all it does. Immortals can still be injured, incapacitated or otherwise be removed from battle. Most of all, it doesn't do ANYTHING about exile effects. Exile effects range from sealing a creature away to nowhere (Oblivion Ring) to just making the creature give up on battle (Swords to Plowshares) - and all of those things would work on immortals as well as they would on mortals.

Considering how immortals can still be injured to the point where it takes some time to recover, I'd say the proper effect is just returning it to play from the graveyard at a fixed interval (the 'not really dead' effect also seen on Squee). Exiling from the graveyard has the same logic as exiling from play - even if you can't get rid of the soul, you can at least lock it up in some trinket or something to prevent it from ever getting a body again.

(Bouncing, likewise, would also work perfectly - the creature is returned to where it came from until it's summoned again.)

>>9940033

Really, all Kaguya and Mokou should have is Regeneration (0).

>>9940479
That doesn't fit well enough due to -X/-X effects (generally representing mutilation) which should not kill immortals but does kill regenerators.

>>9940479

Regeneration can be stopped by various methods though.
Indestructible + if sent to the graveyard, return them to the field seems adequate. And some form of "Protection from Sacrifice" (if this creature were to be sacrificed, counter the spell/ability?).
They can still be bounced or exiled, but never really 'destroyed'.

>>9940531
I think "If ~ would die, return it to your hand instead" is sufficient.

>>9939231
Not really. She wouldn't go to the graveyard the same reason a Darksteel Myr doesn't go to the graveyard when you put a point of damage on it.

>>9940033
>Exiling from the graveyard has the same logic as exiling from play - even if you can't get rid of the soul, you can at least lock it up in some trinket or something to prevent it from ever getting a body again.
Exile from graveyards are rarely of that flavor. It usually involves incinerating, smashing, or eating the body - Cremate, Entrails Feaster, Funeral Pyre, Scavenging Ooze, Steamclaw (if it was so easy to dead dead Kaguya, Mokou would have done it a long time ago), Thraben Heretic.

>>9939231
If Mokou's toughness is reduced to 0 or less, Mokou becomes an enchantment until end of turn.

>>9940639
Darksteel Myr doesn't go to the graveyard due to it being utterly indestructible. You can shoot millions of damage on it and it won't even make a dent. Immortals, on the other hand, can be wounded and incapacitated. Kaguya and Mukou wouldn't "survive" a blasphemous act, they would have to wait for their wounds to heal before being able to continue. Squee similarly has an immortality ability which makes him return even if he's killed.

(Regarding Squee, I'm a bit confused about his immortality, since he became immortal during Invasion, but his card (with immortality) was printed in the block before Invasion.)

Could Suika manipulate the density of lands in an MtG deck?

I CAST BOX

>>9942745
You tell me

MtG is the only amount of social contact I get.

I just came back from a draft, it was fun. Ran into another /jp/sie

>>9942811
I also just came back from draft and is also the only amount of social contact I get. Although, I didn't run into any other /jp/sies. I wish I did.

...so alone...

>>9942877
All these lonely /jp/ users lately is depressing, haven't you guys realized how great it is to just enjoy yourselves while indulging in your hobbies.

>>9942905
No, cause I always draft a bad deck and lose. I'll feel better if I wasn't so alone.

>>9942877
>>9942811
Man, I miss playing Magic. The shop I played in closed last December and I haven't picked up a deck since.

There's another one close by but I have beef with the people who own it so I'm not going there.

Feels bad watching every card in what used to be a top deck in the meta just rotate out. Feels very bad.

>>9942997
I hear you, man. I miss Magic a lot.
I know a few people who play, but I can never find them, and I only KNOW them. It feels odd seeking them out to play Magic when most of them probably don't even remember my name.

>>9942984
Here.

>>9942997
I go to Jester's Playhouse in New Jersey. Just in case anyone else also goes there.

>>9943005
Yeah, I have a similar situation. All the dudes I used to play with kinda sucked as humans and ended up playing at the new shop.

My best friend plays but we always end up doing other stuff when we hang out.

I kinda WANT to play in a shop. I used to be the tournament organizer and judge so I never got to actually draft or compete in FNM even when I was there. It was cool, though, because there was always someone to play with.

I kinda hated those fuckers, though, so whatever. They were super normal, which meant I was only gonna ever get to know them so well, ya know?

>>9943014
I'm on the other end of the East Coast.

Holy shit, we're actually almost at the bump limit.
This went well. We should do it again sometime.

You know what? I'm gonna start working on my wither deck again. I won't say I'll actually make that ninja deck I'm always talking about, but I can at least do this.

>>9943059
You could always make it online. There are some programs for playing online for free.

There's even a thread for Cockatrice (the best program for online play) in /vg/.

>>>/vg/16968294

>>9942745
>>9942790