/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Autism

Different skillsets? 1cc normals are simple, but I can't play an FPS to save my life.

Difficult games early in the day when my concentration/reflexes are at peak.

Comfort games when I'm getting slow and weary before bed time.

Also, jrpgs and mmo a trash.

Hipsterism

Most gamers are not otaku.

HAHA

That guy has a fucking huge glass of water. That's fucking incredible.

Call of Duty doesn't fall in the middle of the scale, nor do most of the most popular games. I wish I could tell you the last time I died in a AAA game with any consequence.

>>9886354
Go to bed Phil

>>9886354
The ice cubes are, like.... THE SIZE OF HIS HEAD WOW!!!!!

I feel like making a game with /jp/. There were people earlier talking about making a YuruYuri fighting game, and a game that features Touhou, Loli, and Type-Moon characters. I'd really like that last one.

That's a big cup.

Fighting games = sense of accomplishment for mastering their favorite fighters + bragging rights for beating other people online with your skills.

Grinding games are simple time wasters, that's why they're popular with people who don't know what other productive things they can do with their lives.

Nerds need to feel really good about themselves accomplishing something virtual then real life.

I am terrified of playing MMOs because I will have to socialize with people.

>>9886399

I hate nearly all games now for this reason.
Nearly everything has co-op and such now, I long for the days when games were mostly single player.
At least we will always have Dwarf Fortress and STGs though.

>>9886405
I want to get into STGs more, but the fact that I can't just play all of them on my computer is discouraging. I don't want to buy fucking consoles or anything.

I can only speak for myself, but I need escapism in my games. If it's too realistic, I'm not getting that. I don't have a secret desire to be a jacked military bro peelin' caps back and shit.

I just want to be a pretty girl and kill surmountable mobs.

>>9886405
This really isn't true unless you're only looking at the most mainstream of the mainstream.

>>9886423
You and me both.

>>9886425

I suppose I am looking at mainstream games when I make that statement.
You have to admit that there has been a 'co-op/multiplayer' feature creep in mainstream games, though. I have certainly noticed it.
Compare Diablo 2 to Diablo 3: I played through D2 in single player because I have always disliked playing games with people, and then in D3 latency is forced on anyone regardless of whether they want to play single player only.
This was done to accommodate multi player and the auction house, it shows clearly that the game is multi player focused.

>>9886436
I'm glad to hear that.

I mean, I understand logically that Western games are better from a technical standpoint. They push the limits of the systems and are, in general, much more novel than all my favorite JRPGs, shmups, MMOs, and fighters.

My taste is a little embarrassing. I just don't really give a fuck when it comes right down to it.

ITT: people who don't know shit about MMO

>>9886449

>I mean, I understand logically that Western games are better from a technical standpoint. They push the limits of the systems and are, in general, much more novel than all my favorite JRPGs, shmups, MMOs, and fighters.

I don't like fighting and SHMUP games nor JRPGs.

I enjoy old PC games in general, mostly genres like FPS/RPG, RPG and various citybuilding/simulation games from Dwarf Fortress to OpenTDD.

I dislike simplified and consolefied games. I dislike artificial limits in my games, which is why I loathe the direction MMOs have taken after WoW's success. So much wasted potential. Early UO had the right idea. ;_;

>>9886462
I can't help it... and it's not like all the other games don't follow their own set of formulas, either.

Mine are just older.

makes me wonder, do Japanese like any FPS games? I can only picture them playing games where they can be a Japanese soldier shooting howaitu piggu

>>9886583
Halo is big over there. I'm pretty sure Call of Duty is too.

I dunno. I like JRPGs because it's like an adventure. I like fighters because of one on one duels that focus more on melee combat. I can generally enjoy most types of games though. The only type of game I don't really care for is FPS because I can't aim worth poop and my mobility and view seems so limited when playing.

>>9886583
make a mod to turn serious sam into a loli

>>9886583
I used to play Sven-coop on a Japanese server

It was really fun playing on their crazy maps like one where youre basically a ghost buster in a high school. Most of the monsters were invisible I think and there were also some cute pedo bear monsters hiding in the toilets.

Too bad no one plays sven coop now

too bad being a 'gamer' today means you like garbage casualized console trash like Diablo 3 and the new X-COM.

>>9886640
weird, I can't find your post in any of the /v/ archives

>>9886648
probably because I'm not a 10 year old who posts on /v/. /v/ acts like they know shit about games but in reality they are just teenagers who haven't even played Baldurs Gate but act like its their favorite game.

>>9886652
... Now I feel really old because BG is one of the new games for me.

>>9886332
I don't see /jp/ playing many I/O Table strategy games that aren't reducible to optimum path strategies.

/jp/ has no difficulty preference for game genres. There is sweet fuck all EUIII discussion here, that's a >>>/tg/ thing.

>>9886476
>I loathe the direction MMOs have taken after WoW's success. So much wasted potential. Early UO had the right idea. ;_;

Oh god, yes. Even Ragnarok or Tibia, whatever. Have you noticed how these older MMOs, who get generally called "grindy shit" or "no-life nerd shit", involve infinitely more social interaction than any of the ones we have today? It's kinda ironic that they call those that way.

Start, walk around doing whatever the NPCs tel you to do, ding you're max level in a few hours/a couple days without having to talk or see a soul. Hop into your LFG or whatever they call it in your game, get thrown into an instance with four guys that aren't even from your server, do the extremely easy run -- purposefully made that way so that you can complete it with anyone, regardless of how dumb they are, what usually results into everyone not saying a single word --, then hop into the queue for your BGs, arenas, or whatever (your generic FAIR PVP HURRRR), kill a bunch of people with no coordination whatsoever. Don't even get me started about WoW's marvelous LFR. Finally, walk to the auction house, and buy some shit without having to search, negotiate, or bargain for anything with anyone.

That's basically it, recent MMOs in a nutshell.

this is what tru otaku play.

>>9886332
The one thing all those game genres have in common are the amount of time required to fully enjoy them.

You're either spending hours of practicing and mastering the game in order to win reliably (fighting, shmup), or developing stats and farming items(jrpg, mmo).

I guess they're the most appealing to the people who want to spend a lot of their time playing games or want to maximize their gratification from them. Who include but are not limited to otaku.

>>9886666
I kind of miss the good old RO days when there would be merchant chats set up in item stores and they would do an OC/DC for you with a bit of profit for them. I mean that kind of shit you would never see ever EVER again in any game ever.

>>9886369
>people need to feel really good about themselves accomplishing something
fixed. it's a worldwide problem, not just confined to nerds

Am I the only one who takes it easy even in gaming?

I like to win when I play my games.

>>9886970
If you play to win you aren't taking it easy. You are burning extra brainpower and stressing yourself out.

Unless you mean you limit yourself to games where you're guaranteed to win no matter what.

>>9886970
I take it easy by enjoying my losses.

>>9886977
I meant games where I can win without stressing myself out. For example I could probably set a level higher and still win, but that'd mean repeating the same levels over and over before mastering them and putting a strain on my nerves and so on.

Instead I choose a level easier so I can win with relatively low deaths, only a moderate amount of retries and so on.

I dunno about you but I only had consoles when I was a kid. That meant shooters and jrpgs with the occasional fighter or hacknslash thrown in. Even when I got my first PC, I used it to emulate Pokemon and such.

Fast paced FPS and RTS games came way later and I still don't like them that much.

>>9886583
DOOM is really popular in Japan last I checked.

>>9886354

>>9886666
I know the feeling ... MMORPGs pretty much had unlimited potential, but instead we're stuck with the same, utterly overused, boring, formulaic and limited game mechanics.

Oh well, at least we still have EVE Online, but space opera isn't everyone's favorite genre. I have high hopes for WOD online.

>>9886679
Is that stone soup or some other modern roguelike?

>>9886666
What you said is true but this lets me waste time on MMOs without having to socialize its like a godsend for me.

My interest lies in STG's first, ranging from r-type to little 2hus to CAVE and whatnot. Fuck Gradius, and euroshmups though.
Lies second in brawlers, ranging from the king of dragons to dark messiah, to bayonetta and dragons dogma and shit. Fuck final fight, streets of rage, god of war, god of war clones like dante's inferno, ico, souls, devil may cry 2 and 3, the fans of 3 (2 has no fans), Monster Hunter, every ninja gaiden game before ninja gaiden 3, and a shitton of other games too.
Lies third in turn based strategy games. You know, like chess, ADOM, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre, that sort of thing. I've only played recent ones so far though with the exception of chess and roguelikes. Nothing older than PSP/PS3/360. I hate most roguelikes.
Fighting games would probably be in second place if I actually had people to play with. Brawlers would be better than fighting games if they had footsies. The souls games are one of the few that have a real spacing game, but I don't like those games at all. Too much bullshit for me to pay attention to the good stuff. Those games are just shittier Severance: Blade of Darkness with better controls. My favorite fighting game is Vampire Savior.

>>9887558
I don't really care how difficult a game is, what's important is how it feels. It has to feel good, like God Hand. God Hand is really exciting. It's like you're in a fucking Bruce Lee movie. 2hu is real exciting, a much different kind of exciting though, one with a lot of tension. Both of those games make Ninja Gaiden 3 look piss easy. However Ninja Gaiden 3 is still fun if you aren't some autist that can't get over it not being difficult and enjoy the goddamn blood splatters. If I had one complaint about that game it's that the claws make you look gayer than you already do, and the stealth sections are fucking retarded. I play newer STG's for score but I don't actually post my scores. I just do it because playing for score in newer games adds another level of depth to the game. Besides, nearly everyone in the west is fucking terrible even though they spend all their time savestate practicing like fucking retards.

>>9887560
RTS games bore me to tears. TPS is better than FPS. I'm waiting for GunZ 2. It'll be just like when I was in high school, except I never have to stop playing. Also the first Gears of War is a good game, even if it's color palette is limited to brown, grey, blue, white, black, and yellow. The sequels are absolute trash though. I have high hopes for the newest game though. Cliffy B said something in an interview or some shit that made it sound like he wanted it to be as tense as an STG. Vanquish is the best.

Fuck LoL and anything like it.

too long didint read ;-(

>>9887564
>>9887560
>>9887558
cool

>>9887564
>>9887560
>>9887558
I agree that if you use stage practice or save states, you are probably some kid with ADHD who sucks. Same reason why kiddies suck at fighters.

hur i kan grind train mode lol = super good! Not.

Fuck, my left arm is broken right now and I can still play better than most Westerners.

>>9886989
>Fast paced FPS and RTS games came way later
does red alert 1 count?
If so why didn't you have it?

I'll play some Jet Set Radio for a while. I invite you to hang out with me. At twitch dakinishaman. That would be sweet if I had 2hu grafitti.

I don't play console games, and my computer sucks too much to fun anything made in the last eight years or so, so it's bullet hells and things like Cave Story for me.

>>9887802
Lucky you since the best PC games were made in 95-2002

I play pretty much everything. FPS games too.

>>9887677
I grind training mode very often and ill beat you into submission any day of the week at PC or XBL AE or P4A

Fighters, shumps, and RTS are for people who like difficult games with depth. They enjoy competition.

RPGs and MMOs are for people that like stories, adventure, exploration. Gameplay and challenge isn't important, they're only here for escapism.

>>9887802
You should try Severance: Blade of Darkness. Made in 2001. Same year as Devil May Cry. It's fun. Finding a download was easy last time I tried. It's been a while though. I suggest you pick Sargon the first time you play.

Also you should invest in a PS2.

I grew up right

RTS and FPS on PC and everything else on my consoles

I buy all of my own video games and I can enjoy any genre as long as the game is good

sports games are fucking gay though

>>9887677
post scores pls

>>9887560
Ninja Gaiden 3's combat doesn't have 10% of the depth of NGB or NG2. Enemy variety is pitiful. Stage design is atrocious. The story is obtrusive. The AI in the higher difficulties is laughably shit.

The game is an abomination.

>>9888169
iconoclast pls go

>>9888114
how about RTS with stories?

>>9886351
sums it up the best

one game takes extreme concentration and reflexes the other game takes time, efficiency patience and organization

>>9886405
>>9886399
Same, but it's mostly just because I don't want to talk with people. Video games are for playing video games, not socialising. If we wanted to do that we could just go outside or something.

>>9888114
I really, REALLY wonder how do you define "depth" in videogames, because most fighters and shumps have none of it.

>>9886332
Not so sure. I really do play difficult games, Now that I think of it though.

Like games with, what seems like, endless side missions, rare out of date jrpgs that take up good portion of a person's life to complete.

Who here Harvest Moon?

>>9889355

I harvest moon, but the only one I play is the GC one. Wonderful Life or something.
I play it from time to time, it's great.

>>9889355
I've only played the Gameboy version.

>>9889364
>>9889369
I am pretty sure that those are both pretty good. I honestly am still playing the Ps1 version. I have put in a lot of hours, but then I really have such a life where I cannot play that often.....now my PS1 and 2 have broken too....where am I suppose to get money? I have pawned almost all my rare antique valuables for money too...sigh.

I want to buy some of the updated versions soon though too.
The one for the DS is pretty good too. I had it for a while, but sold it for another more complex Otaku D.S game. You can trade goods on an international level on the D.S version that I had.

Anybody been able to get your Harvest Moon Waifu Pregnant yet?

I am close to getting engaged, but I have to get a green house, a jeweled gold necklace, and a wedding ring first.
Just a a few more hundred logs and I'll be able to get the Green house. I just need more money for necklace too.

>>9889482

Buy a flashcart for the DS and enjoy the games. Or try an emulator, I'm sure that Harvest Moon (or it's more JRPG-ish cousin, Rune Factory) must be somewhat okay to play on the PC.

>>9889482
Reported for being an avatar-using piece of shit.

Get the fuck out of here and never return, you ineffable trash.

>>9889262
I'm kinda speechless here. I honestly have no idea how you could miss the depth of a fighting game. Any good one will take thousands upon thousands of hours to master because the learning process never ends.

I do understand how you could miss the depth in a shump, though. On the surface they look like simple games where you shoot the baddies and collect the shinies, but the depth in any good shump (everything from Cave for example) lies in its scoring system.

In Deathsmiles, you could beat the game with less than 100 million points. The world record is 500-600 million. In Espgaluda 2, you could beat the game with less than 150 million points. The world record is over 1 billion. Etcetera.

Jokes on you I play a mean Call of Duty.

>>9889605
scoring is secondary
shmumps have depth because the bullets are so hard to dodge.

At any given you need to be aware of a dozen to a hundred projectiles all aimed at different angles, traveling at different speed and immidiently find a path that avoids every single one of them, while collecting the power ups and positioning your projectiles to hit enemies.

You must do this every second and if you get hit 3 times you lose.

games are for kids. surely no reasonable adult can handle rpgs. it's like poker machines in that you feed time into to get the reward, except the reward is virginity

>>9890682
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>9890654
>scoring is secondary
Scoring IS the game.

>>9890694
back up what? there's nothing ambiguous about what i said.

if you're 27 and still playing call of duty 4 hours ad ay you're a loser.

Because there are two types of japanese, majimehito and neets.

the majimehito only invest minimum time in games while scurrying too and from office or school. They don't play games for difficulty as they have enough in their every day life.

The neets have nothing else to do. They play the hardest games possible to get a sense of accomplishment they lack in their every day life. They too sometimes play easy games to unwind from their hard game.

I fucking hate jRPGs. I couldn't think of a more inane style of gameplay. There is no genuine test of wit nor skill: only dedication. You are literally making numbers into bigger numbers.

Actually I hate most games in general. I only like shmups.

>>9890743
What does "loser" even mean? Everyone but the Jewish master race has won, but I guess it is beneficial to not call wage slaves with wives that hate them "losers" to keep them content with their status as cattle.

>>9890788
>There is no genuine test of wit nor skill: only dedication

>wit
The only games that require wit in any manner are puzzle games.

>skill
Person who hasn't played a (j)RPG detected. While I will agree that most RPG's simply devolve into mashing a single button to win, there are still a good many that require much more complex involvement. Therefore, you are instantly wrong.

Everyone but the Jewish master race has lost I mean.

>>9890824
>Jewish master race
>wage slaves
well you most definitely are one.

you sit in a society, consuming power, food and water and you presumably live with a roof over your head.

and do you want to do even a single thing to earn all that? no, you want to bitch about it and look down your nose at anyone more capable than you.

if you're really against working, go live the hunter gatherer lifestyle and fuck off.

>>9890788
>There is no genuine test of wit nor skill: only dedication.

But that's not true, anon. In a properly designed JRPG, what is being tested is your resource management and the efficiency of your strategy: it's not enough just to win one fight, you have to make it to the end of the dungeon and beat the boss.

Granted, often the optimal strategy is just "use attack every turn," which makes those games really bad.

>>9890829
Yeah, you're right. I, an imageboard dweller who grew up in the 90s, have never played a JRPG in my life before.

>>9890840
>implying the hunter gatherer lifestyle is not a form of primtive work
Fuck off. truNEET 4 lyfe.

>>9890848
So a properly-designed JRPG is as challenging as a third grade math problem. Good to know.

>>9890855
in so far as you have to do everything yourself, yes.

>>9890840
Actually I'm content with this society my fathers have founded and created. People need to be controlled, however I am genuinely curious why people like you are so content putting those that reject our ideals down. I guess our brainwashing had worked and your simple brain cannot help it, oh well.

>>9890848
>>9890829
Please name some RPGs with challenging, tactical gameplay.

Please don't name any RPGs you like for the story/characters/music/art/etc. So SMT, Disgaea, FF, Dragon Quest, Bethesda, Bioware and Obsidian games are out.

>>9890869
>hurrr, workin is too hard regardless of any shape or form it may take
>i knoe1!! i'll make out that it's actually a protest against materialism, that way nobody can criticize me and i get to look down my nose at everybody as being cattle!

i don't even know what you're trying to prove by deluding yourself into thinking that being a lazy asshole is some sort of profound, spiritual undertaking. but it's pretty autistic

>>9890881
Silent Storm
7.62mm high caliber

>>9890887
I don't even know what you're trying to prove by deluding yourself into thinking that being an anal-retentive wage slave is some sort of profound duty, but it's pretty autistic.

>>9890887
Geentexting: the mark of when a crossboarder's brain is fried.

Did I mention I do work? Not as much as because I'm Jewish and superior of course.

>>9890907
heck no, i'm quoting

>>9890881
>Please name some RPGs with challenging, tactical gameplay.

Well ok, there's-

>Please don't name... SMT, Disgaea, FF, Dragon Quest, Bethesda, Bioware and Obsidian games

And that takes away 80% of the RPG market, good job. Thank goodness you forgot (a fatal mistake considering the board you're on) GoS.

>>9890881
The Last Remnant

Best game Square Enix ever did make.

>>9890918
Thank you for not using the h word. :)

>>9890918
>>9890907
They're called meme arrows, turbonerds.

>>9890881
The first Deus Ex.

>>9890881
SMT

>>9890926
>And that takes away 80% of the RPG market

That was the point. Most RPGs are extremely simple in comparison to proper tactics / turn-based strategy games.

>>9890881
le fire emblem

>>9890970
So hardcore.

>>9890881

Genius of sappheiros.

>>9890970
But those are RPGs.

>>9890881
>Please don't name any RPGs you like for the story/characters/music/art/etc. So SMT, Disgaea, FF, Dragon Quest, Bethesda, Bioware and Obsidian games are out.

That's a really stupid thing to say: so only games with bad characters/art/stories but good gameplay? Of course there aren't many of those: a game that is incompetently executed in one respect is seldom going to be good in another.

>>9890970
And my point was you can't make sweeping generalizations about series that have a dozen entries each. I've been playing several games in SMT, and they've given me different levels of challenge.

Although I want to know what you consider Elemental Arms. A tactics game, or an RPG?

>>9890988
>But those are RPGs.

Maybe he's talking about turn-based historical wargames?

>>9890970
You're a goddamn retard. You challenge me to name some RPG's that are "challenging and tactical," yet you put some arbitrary constraint on the games I can list.

Why? Have you already acknowledged your incorrectness and preempted me by saying I "can't" name those games, even though are easy examples of games with "challenging, tactical gameplay"? Are you that eager to delude yourself?

RPG's can be hard and challenging. Deal with it, you incessant faggot.

>>9890926
Really though, everything he listed except some games in the SMT series pose no challenge whatsoever. Disgaya? Final Faggotry? Dildo Quest? Don't even mention a WRPG, everyone knows Westerners can't make games worth shit.

>>9890881
You're a goddamn retard. You challenge me to name some RPG's that are "challenging and tactical," yet you put some arbitrary constraint on the games I can list.

Why? Have you already acknowledged your incorrectness and preempted me by saying I "can't" name those games, even though they are easy examples of games with "challenging, tactical gameplay"? Are you that eager to delude yourself?

RPG's can be hard and challenging. Deal with it, you incessant faggot.

>>9888169
>Ninja Gaiden 3's combat doesn't have 10% of the depth of NGB or NG2. Enemy variety is pitiful. Stage design is atrocious. The story is obtrusive. The AI in the higher difficulties is laughably shit.
That doesn't matter you autist. You're missing the goddamn point. The game is about making people explode. It's "press X to receive pleasure", and it's actually fun if you aren't busy crying that you wanted Ninja Gaiden Black.

>>9891011
I guess I need to spell it out for you. The games I mentioned do NOT have "challenging, tactical" gameplay. So they do not apply to this discussion.

SMT Devil Survivor is an alright tactics game, though. I'll give you that one.

>>9891038
>You're missing the goddamn point. The game is about making people explode. It's "press X to receive pleasure"

Behold, the modern gamer.

So many icyclam wannabes in here.

>>9891054
I don't give a shit about that sperg. I just think jrpgs are crap.

>>9890881
Pool of Radiance

icycalm is nothing but a poseur.

>>9891040

THey do not ? Id like seeing you do a blind Acension run for Throne of Bhall, Or Icewind Dale 1-2 (Not even counting Heart of Winter) .
How about New Vegas on max difficulty harcore mode ? Having to manage ressource, low ammo quantity and ennemies 3 shotting you is apparently neither tacticl nor difficult ?

You are alittle shithead with no knowledge about videogames. Shut your whore mouth already.

>>9891054
He doesn't even believe in playing for score. What a scrublord.

>>9890881
Monster Hunter

>>9891066
butt status: ranged

>>9891074

My butt is well under control and close by, thank you very much

>>9891066
Fallout's fps mechanics are a joke. LOLMAGICTIMEFREEZE

>>9891081
Turn-based combat is a joke. LOLWAITYOURTURN

>>9891081

Using VATS is the perfect mark of a scrub. Thank you for singling yourself out as a casual scrubbaby

>>9891049
Oh, I'm terribly sorry. I forgot the only thing that decides the quality of a game is how hard it is. If you'll excuse me I'm going to go play megaman without jumping.

What are /jp/ thoughts on Dark Souls?

>>9891070
Not an RPG, dickmaster.

>>9891086
Turn-based combat competitively isn't a joke however. Guess what, before the advent of computers, the majority of board games used to be turn-based. Shocking, I know.

>>9890881
SMT games are hard as fuck. How do they not count?

>>9891096
Overrated garbage.

>>9891096
Demon's Souls is better.

>>9891096
Best RPG for PC ever.

>>9891040
>The games I mentioned do NOT have "challenging, tactical" gameplay. So they do not apply to this discussion

>SMT Devil Survivor is an alright tactics game

>Please don't name (...) SMT
>SMT Devil Surivor is an alright tactics game

By your own admission, an SMT game has "tactical" gameplay. Therefore, you are instantly incorrect. I maintain my position. You are goddamn retarded.

>>9891102
When did we start talking about board games?

>>9891113
>>9891040

Please don't bully!

>>9891096
slowest action game ever
boring

>>9891096
Bad. Almost as overrated as Half Life 2.

>>9891115
When I did, turbonerd.

>>9891121
I'm to autistic to follow this conversation any further, so I'll kindly dismiss myself.

>>9891096
Pretty good, a tad overrated.

>>9891112
For PC it really might the best one indeed.

>>9891096
Very gut

Sure is Dark Souls viral marketing in here.

>>9891096
Overrated. The Monster hunter games have way better combat and are much harder. It only gets so much praise because PC gamers spent most of their time playing WRPGs with shit tier combat and have lower standards as a result.

>>9891169
ATMOSPHERE you monkey.

>>9891143
Diablo, Deus Ex, Gothic, Baldur's Gate...
Fuck off underage.

>>9891177
no bully pls

>>9891177
Shit, good but doesn't count, shit, shit.

>>9891177
>Diablo
I stopped reading there.

>>9891177
Deus Ex is the only one that isn't steaming horseshit.

>>9891176
Not who you're talking to. Monster Hunter has better atmosphere. Dark Souls seriously feels like the enemies, npcs, and myself are the contents of a cardboard box labeled: grimdark fantasy

>>9891177

>>9891191
Monster Hunter seriously has no atmosphere whatsoever. It doesn't even try to.

>>9891176
I felt Dark Souls atmosphere is the closest thing we have to Berserk manga.

Download where?

>>9891176
gameplay>atmosphere

>>9891181
>>9891183
>>9891189
Kill your fucking self.

>>9891195
Ancient timey village
>no atmosphere
Dense dangerous forest
>no atmosphere
Cold, lonely, beautiful mountains
>no atmosphere
Island with a hugeass cave complex in the center
>no atmosphere

Go fuck yourself.

>>9891181
>>9891183
I am not talking about D3

>>9891096
PS2 Armored Cores are harder.

>>9891216
>>9891219
You should've just edited your post, dude.

>>9891219
All the Diablo games are terrible.

>>9891169
The Monster hunter games have way more grinding*

Fixed that for you.

>>9891225
No they are not.

Dark Souls is pretty much a rip-off of it.

>>9891209
Usually, but atmosphere can amplify any game and it's not like dark souls has horrid gameplay, it's just not as smooth as monster hunter.

Overall I'd still say I enjoyed dark souls more than tri, both are fun though.

>>9891219
D3 can be the shittiest.
But that doesn't make Diablo series less shitty.

>>9891224
Monster Hunter games are fun. They do not have atmosphere. Stating the settings with adjectives in front does not give the game atmosphere.

>>9891241

>>9891241
500 replies.

>>9891248
No, really.

Without Diablo Dark Souls wouldn't exist.

Severance: Blade of Darkness is better than Dark Souls/Demons Souls in almost every way. Dark Souls only has it beat in movement controls and polygon count. Severance even has better ATMOSPHERE

>>9891245
He wasn't describing the scenes and claiming they had atmosphere because of his descriptions, he was describing the atmosphere he thinks he saw, and negating the former is a waste of breath.

>>9891254
You are so full of shit

>>9891245
What does? Cutscenes at the beginning explaining the world? Go fuck yourself. The setting, the music, and the action are what make up the atmosphere of a game. Monster Hunter has a better setting, better combat, and better music. Not that either game ever actually plays its fucking music.

>>9891237
Explain why Diablo is shitty.

>>9891257
From was possibly inspired by it but diablo didn't invent grimdark fantasy and in terms of mechanics diablo was a graphical roguelike.

>>9891264
Alright. The souls games also have better armor design. There you go.

>>9891278
Inspired by Diablo?
Yeah.
Berserk doesn't have a dark medieval fantasy.

>>9891278
Stats, armors, resistances...
Did you even play Diablo?

>>9891287
Rosine is a Luna Moth.
If you didn't see that the Moolight Butterfly was inspired by that you must be dumb.

>>9891288
Look it up, the development team was inspired by moria and angband, roguelikes.

>>9891269
All of those are subjective. Some may prefer the slower paced methodical dark souls combat and lets not even start on setting and music.

>>9891288
Hahahaha.
Even Korean Pig had those on their RPG before Diablo.

>>9891269
From reference.com:
>the prevailing tone or mood of a novel, symphony, painting, or other work of art

Monster Hunter has no mood or emotion. You go out and kill monsters, then you are rewarded money. It's fun, but it's not atmospheric. I honestly cannot believe that you're arguing against that.

I'm going to bed, so I'm not going to see any retarded argument you reply with.

>>9891278
Diablo is Hack 'n Slash retard, just like Demon's Souls.

Monster Hunter is grinding shit.

Fuck off Crapcom employers.

>>9891336
I like to imagine there are mainly two groups of competing viral marketers in this thread.

>>9891330
But not like kings field.

>>9891299
This.
The simarities between DS and Berserk are too many to be a mere coincidence.

http://soulswiki.forumsrpg.com/t10856-berserk-references

Berserk is from 1990 and Diablo is from 1997, by the way.

>>9891324
Everything is subjective. Doesn't mean I can't have a fucking preference
>>9891325
It would have no mood and emotion if it was just a set of menus that said:
What monster do you want to kill?
You went out.
You killed the monster.
Heres your reward:
X
Y
Z

But it's fucking not. There's a fucking village full of color and people and architecture and shit. Then you talk to one of these people, and they even tell you a little about the mission and/or the monster rather than just asking which monster you want. Then you go into some big multi-area map and search for the monster while gathering supplies. Then some big ass monster roars at your ass and the fight is on. Music starts playing, you feel the excitement and tension of battle for a few minutes, and then you kill the bastard or you die. Then you go back to town. The town music starts playing again. You craft weapons and shit. Have your felynes cook a meal with happy music playing while you watch their excited motions. Then you go get another mission.

You're going to tell me there's no fucking mood or emotion in any of that shit? You must be blind and deaf to think so.

>>9891355
>kings field
Neither is Demon's Souls.

Monster Hunter is nothing but an endless grind. You RPG babbys should start playing real action games.

>>9891330
Diablo is also retard-easy, hence its popularity. That is truly the most mindless genre in existence.

DS is a ripoff of Severance, not Diablo.

>>9891391
>Diablo is also retard-easy
Do you even Hell or PVP?

You kids only played D3 and keep saying Diablo is bad, go fuck yourselves.

>>9891410

Torchlight II > Diablo III.

>>9891113
I mentioned the sole exception in the SMT series. None of the other series I named have any exceptions (yes, Final Fantasy: Tactics is not a good tactics game).

If you can grind to overcome a challenge, then you're playing a shitty game. It's time to grow up, kids.

how is the new XCOM?

>>9891437

Not as needlessly cruel as the original. Quite good.

Stop discussing these games /jp/!
Because we all agree that greatest RPG is Golden Sun, right?

>>9891395
That's not Berserk.

>>9891512
Final Fantasy X-2 actually

>>9891512
Golden Sun? You're joking right? That's like, babbies first RPG.

>>9891437
It is alright.
They casualize it, but it is still good. You cant really expect them to use UI from 20years ago.
Ironman is kind of buggy and you might get fucked if the game decided to crash on you.
Snipers are fucking OP.

Haven't played a real RPG in a long-ass time.

Here's another question: Does Japan into RTS? I mean, they make pretty fun TBS (Super Robot Taisen, R-Type Tactics), but I haven't had a look if they actually do RTS.

>>9891556
This.
And what about FPS?
Do they play any?

>>9891556
RTS and FPS are the only genres the white piggus have over Japan.

>>9891562
Call of duty is huge there.
Went to tsutaya and biccamera, saw a few fatties coming out of there with cowaduty

>>9891573
Yea CoD is HUGE in Japan. CoD 3 sold like, 100,000 copies! HUUUUGE

>>9891590
CoD MW3 I mean of course.

>>9891556 addendum

Toramaru Shou should be my tank commander, because I like Tigers.

And then Wriggle should be driving one of these babies.

I play battlefield: bad company 2

any of you fags play it?

>>9891590
>>9891598
Well I am not comparing it with super popular title like MH or Mario. 100k is a lot.

>>9891637
Not really. The latest Harvest Moon sold 100k. Big whoop.

western games are pretty good don't hate it just because its not made by gooks. shogun 2 total war, css, gta 5, civilization 5, skyrim, portal 2 and mass effect just to name a few.

>>9891687
good, shit, super shit, worst civ, ultimate shit, decent, kinda shit

>>9891699
You know what is shit?
Your face.

>>9891699
if the same games were Japanese Moe and anime style you would be shitting yourself at amazement

>>9891715
If they were made in Japan they'd at least have a chance at being good.

>>9891715
If XCOM has cute girls killing cute aliens, it would be a 10/10 game.

>>9891715
I would actually want to play them then, yeah.

>>9891728
that's not biased at all am i right? huh? not biased?

>>9891751
I am biased against shitty games.

>>9891687
GTA V?
They aren't even selling it yet, you Steam drone.

>>9891912
fucking hate steam and its fanboys

how is that shit not drm? fucking gay.

>>9891939
you best not be talking shit about based gaben bro. we are the master race and gaben is our lord XD

>>9891687
>skyrim
>portal
>MASS EFFECT
Fuck off. Those three franchises are pure tripe.
They're the CoD equivalent of their respective genres. They are made by unfunny, idiotic, and worthless hacks.
Those games, and the people behind them, are what are wrong with western media.

>>9893814
While I agree with you for the other two games, I thought the Portal series was fairly enjoyable. It kept me entertained for a good 16 hours.

>>9893814
What "genre" is portal? I think it's pretty unique. There aren't really many 3D first person puzzle games out there.

Besides Portal's dialogues are absolutely awesome.

>>9893814
>>9893877
What makes the TeS franchise so bad for its genre? I didn’t play any of the games apart from one day of Morrowind, but I’d like to hear it.

>>9893884
This. I loved Daggerfall and Morrowind. They were both buggy as shit but great games and like nothing I had ever played before. Is this one of those things where we've come full circle? Like how Final Fantasy was a fairly ground-breaking RPG, but newer Final Fantasy games are considered pretty generic JRPGs?

>>9893884
>What makes the TeS franchise so bad for its genre?
It's popular. As a matter of the fact, that description applies to the other two games as well.

>>9890694
that's terror.


also
that's terror.

>>9893884
The problem with the later TeS franchise is that there's no advancement. Literally nothing changes after Morrowind except the addition of a wide cast featuring two voice actors for each game.

In fact, if anything, they're progressively getting more dumb downed, souless and empty. Given the year of technology both Oblivion and Skyrim were released for, they somehow managed to make them more buggy and unpolished than a game made in fucking 2002.

It's baffling that people don't care, really.

portal is aight

>>9893884
What pisses me off about TES games is their pretentiousness. I mean it's like they're telling you: "look how fucking vast and immense are the worlds in our games! Just fucking look at how huge is Daggerfall!"

Great! But then you realize that it's just copypasted stuff everywhere. Like oh look there's a shittons of guards and they all have their unique background... wait! They all used to be adventurers and...

It's as if they put a lot of mirrors in a room to make it look bigger. I see it as a sort of bait and switch a sham.

>>9887677
I don't think you know what training mode is for.

>>9893905
>>9893911

I see. So what do you consider to be the gems in the (more recent) RPG world?
I don’t know much about games, it’s just that I normally don’t often see people saying TeS is the tripe of the genre.

Platformer is the best genre.

>>9893905
Didn't they add physics and stuff? I only read the pre-release information for Oblivion and I know nothing about Skyrim, but the series has improved. It sounds like you're complaining about a series getting technically better. Graphics improve, music improves, what more do you want? It's an RPG, the general workings of it follow a strict set of rules. And those rules work, so why change them? Do you want new stats or something? It's set in a new world with new characters.

I don't want to stick up for it too much because, again, I haven't actually played the latest games. I've heard a few bad things, like Oblivion added physics-based combat. I swear I was the only person who liked the combat in Morrowind. It's an RPG--it deals in abstractions. You swing a sword at someone's head, sometimes you miss. If it simply depends on where your characters are in the game world, what's the point of stats and dice rolls? Daggerfall did combat way better, though, since you got the best of both worlds with the hacking and slashing and mouse moving and all that jazz.

wow, I don't think I've ever seen /jp/ so angry about an off topic thread.
>>9891410
don't worry dude, it's they who miss out on chainlightnin' the shit out of demons, laz runs and stuff. We know what's fun.

>>9893915
Honestly I don't know much about more recent games. Bethesda games are extremely popular because of the fact they have huge sandboxes worlds. The idea itself is good, but in practice it's extremely difficult to realize and therefore there are all those problems that have been mentioned.

Personally I prefer RPG with a good story or gameplay. Without going into Jrpgs, I'd take a Torment over everything else, or Baldur's Gate, NWN Shadows of the Underdark, NWN2 Mask of the Betrayer.

Those are the games that I'd rather play.

>>9893915
modern RPGs are shit. Pokemon is probably the only franchise even close to actual RPGs anymore.

>>9893920
>Graphics improve, music improves, what more do you want?
If this is your only criteria for what makes a game passable, then you have objectively poor taste.

>>9893905
This is also why they modding community is probably the largest i've seen for any game.

>>9893927
You should play Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura if you haven't already.

>>9893929
>If this is your only criteria for what makes a game passable, then you have objectively poor taste.
I was just listing a few examples. I also mentioned that the game world changes, and addressed why the basic mechanics don't. I just don't understand what >>9893905-san wants. Though the game could be terrible. It might be the equivalent of a bad Hollywood sequel. It might be set in space for all I know. They already turned Cyrodiil from a jungle into generic fantasy woodland, so anything is possible. Fact is, the games are "advancing" normally along with the technology. Would Skyrim be so bad if it was set in Vvardenfell? What if someone made a total conversion of Morrowind in the new engine with all the new models and textures? Would it still be bad? Is it just the story and characters or something? Did they ruin some gameplay aspect? I want to know because one day far in the future I will probably end up actually playing Oblivion and Skyrim.

>>9893911
Dark Souls is the more popular, recent RPG. Torchlight 2 has been pretty well received too. Then there's Pokemon White/Black 2 which while some would argue is a part of a rehashed, shitty RPG franchise, the game itself is probably the most "complete" release of any Pokemon game.

I've also personally enjoyed games like Valkyria Chronicles, Lost Odyssey and Mother 3. They're not 'too' recent but they're pretty close if you just mean generally recent.

>>9893952
Meant to quote this guy->>9893915

>>9893949
>Is it just the story and characters or something? Did they ruin some gameplay aspect?
>one day far in the future I will probably end up actually playing Oblivion and Skyrim.
So wait... You haven't even played either of them and are trying to defend it?

>>9893952
Valkyria is fantastic. It's too bad the series went to hell after Sega moved it to the shitty PSP hardware.

>>9893920
The music has barely improved in any noticeable way and the graphics for both Oblivion and Skyrim are atrocious.

>>9893970
They added a lot of cool gameplay elements but the cheery high school cadets thing was annoying. The dub making it even worse.

AT Snipers were a bit overpowered though.

>>9893971
> and the graphics for both Oblivion and Skyrim are atrocious.
alright, here you might need to explain further...

Valkyria Chronicles was extremely enjoyable for me, but I've always been a sucker for Tactic RPGs.

My only qualm is the fact that the rating is merely based on how fast you complete the mission. There are other variables that I think should be included, for example how many enemies you kill and more importantly how well you can prevent your men from being harmed.

The way it is it basically rewards you for rushing forward at full speed, uncaring of casualties and stray enemies.

>>9893971

well oblivion has aged badly but skyrim? did you play the 360 version or something?

>>9893959
He’s not defending, he would just like to hear why exactly he considers them bad.

>>9894116
Unmodded Skyrim looks pathetic for for a 2011 game.

>>9893923
I keep trying to get into VII, but I can never decide on a party. In VI you really couldn't go wrong.

>>9894183
this post contains gamebreakers.
if you are afraid of failing, just pick a Cleric and a Sorcerer. All three games, 6-8: pick a Cleric and a Sorcerer yo. in VII pick good side, Light magic is ballin outta control. On the other hand: Dark magic is only slightly more difficult to use. And you can still use Grandmaster Body in dark path which is more broken than ever.

I wonder how NEETs like me can even afford a gaming pc even with disability money.

>>9894315
Yeah, I always take a Sorcerer and Cleric, but the problem is the other two spots. My latest attempt had a Knight and Paladin. I guess the Paladin is redundant, but the extra healing and melee damage is too nice. The problem is I can't open any treasure chests until my sorcerer can learn telekinesis, which seems pretty far off.

I'm bored as fugg. Were any good PC games released this year? I've already played Dark Souls and Binary Domain.

>>9894398
Get a Monk or Thief. Monk being somewhat better on paper at least combatwise, what with unarmed+stuff dealing damage up to par Knight's sword+spear.
Thief and his lightning fast daggers are decent too. Both should suffice in your disarming needs.
In my latest run the Paladin healing was absolutely superflous thanks to aforementioned Grandmaster Body Cleric. Ditch that paladin, he can't learn Power Cure in 7/8 anyway.

Friendly reminder that there will never be a MMORTS as fun as Shattered Galaxy again.

>>9894325
You don't need a gaming PC to play Touhou or jRPGs. All I have is a 4 year old laptop with 3GB of ram, a 2.4ghz cpu and an integrated graphics card, and my slowdown is never over 0.1% on any touhou game.

>>9891029
>Westerners can't make games worth shit
[citation needed]
You can't factually prove your wrong opinion.

>Westerners can't make games worth shit
Diablo 2

>>9894692
Of all the examples you picked that?

>>9894702
name a good JRpg then

>>9894492
>liche
>UNDEATHxKING: liche
>i do not see liche
>they are under factory ramp
>haha
what are these retards

>>9894708
The first picture from google.

You know, concerning W/JRPG, I’m very bad at “combat”. I should find an immersive rpg tailored to retards such as myself.

>>9894706
Ys? I'm not saying JRPGs are better there's just far superior WRPGs than diablo 2.

>>9894717
Bloodlines is god-tier immersion with retarded combat.

>>9894706
The list would go over the character limit.

>>9894737
Are you some kind of girl?

>>9894726
I’m afraid of vampires.

>>9894739
I’m sorry.

>>9894739
You kidding right?

>>9894770
What a shitty picture. I think of Arcueid.

I came here for doubles.

>>9894774
And you left without them.

>>9894777

>>9894778
She's naked!

>>9894789
What do you mean?

>>9894797
Sh-She has no clothes on and I can see her bare breasts!

>>9894797
she would nice sucking on a fat veiny cock.

All RPGs are shit. Play games that actually require some skills or get the fuck out.

>>9894825
Games are for fun.

>>9894821
Don't be a prude anon.

>>9894828
This is over the line though.

>>9894834
I can't have fun with a game if it doesn't present a challenge. A challenge that has to be overcome by player skill, not my character's skill level.

>>9894492
I can't think of any other MMORTS.

>>9894835
what else is a savage like she good for but pleasuring fat faceless men?

>>9894854
For friendship and hugging.

>>9894856
I would like to be her cuddle-buddy...

>>9894847
That's the problem.

>>9887558
Isn't Ico a puzzle game?

>>9894923
Sort of? It was like a pretty even mix of platformer and puzzle.

>>9894325
A lot of games being mentioned are pretty fucking old.

>>9894844
Overcoming challenges are much more rewarding, but its not really the only factor for fun for me. The whole RPG/grinding thing is kinda dumb. There really is minimal fun in a contest of who has the bigger numbers.

REAL GAMERZZZZZZZZ

le upvote

>>9894894

>>9894894
Guys. Realize.