/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Would they get mad if you purposely go around getting into trouble so they have to protect you and you get your money's worth?

Yukuza is japanese mafia
The fee you pay isn't for protection. It's so that they don't ruin you.
You basically pay them not to rob you

You're new to criminal organizations or what?

They're all the same all around the world

Yakuza are the same shit as the Corsica mafia,all they all want money and power

Capitalist thieves what capitalist thieves, with superficial honour. Like Joker in batman said. They talk much about it but will sell you or anyone or anything if it is profitable and saves their asses.

Trusting chivalry in thieves is like placing gypsies in elite "utopian" government.

>>9788087

I mean all they want is power and money

And the Corsica mafia was just an example,you can use whatever you want

I find Asian women with tattoos arousing.

Their goal is to get money from doing illegal stuff.

>>9788080
so they're pretty much like the government

BS. If you don't know jackshit of the matter please kindly shut your mouth off and stop spreading misleading bullshit.

The Japanese media can't be trusted, or rather any major media can't be trusted. Most of the time they warp the truth to the public, only the ones behind the scene would know what actually happened. If you've watched enough Japanese documentary in varied fields, you would realize that sub-culture reports are manipulated, often potrayed in a bleak and negative manner when it's not, which then turns to the society looking down on the said matter.

> In Japan, the yakuza have a reputation for being street toughs with hearts of old and men who help the weak and poor. In the past they helped the police to control street violence and intimidate terrorist groups. The bosses often require their subordinates to be polite and friendly and visit their elders on Respect for the Aged Day.

>Some say the old traditions are disappearing. Former yakuza boss Takayama told the Washington Post, the yakuza "doesn't care anymore about obligations, tradition, respect and dignity. There are no rules anymore.

These are all true as you can see and observe from today's Japan. There are numbers of good articles pertaining to yakuza, however due to the mixed informations one have gathered from different sources (mouth to mouth, rumors, stereotypes, etc.) learning which one is the truth would be quite a difficult task.

A very good unbiased portrayal of the yakuza can be found here: http://youngyakuzafromjapan.blog135.fc2.com/ . I recommend you to watch the documentary film beforehand so you would grasp it with more ease, but whichever you prefer.

>>9788072
They once were outlaws who stood up for the oppressed villagers and commoners of Japan, but now most are Zainichi Koreans pretending to be for justice, but they just cause tension with their spewing of White Piggu go houme and crazy buses shouting to revive the Imperial Empire, just so that their Yakuza ways aren't the main issue in the public eye.

They are dirty people who only care about profit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB4BkouWP8M&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=243

>>9788200

Good suggestion.

Also try reading or listening the audiobook of Tok'yo Vice: An American Reporter on the Police Beat in Japan'

Really thourough & somewhat recent investigation.

>>9788266
>spewing of White Piggu go houme and crazy buses shouting to revive the Imperial Empire
Those aren't yakuza, those are just dumbasses the the yakuza are on good terms with.

>>9788266
But having an imperial empire again won't be the same without the batshit insane die for the mother land ideology from back in the day. The only reason they got anything done back then was because people were willing to blow them selves up for a victory and I don't think they will ever be willing to do that again.

They're pretty much the same as the italian mafia, except they have deeper roots in government.

>>9788343

You don't know shit about my country

Cosa Nostra, Camorra and N'Drangheta are my government.

>>9788335
I do realize what you're saying and that is the whole point to why the Yakuza go on saying it. It causes so much debate, anger, anxiety, and controversy for all sides that the illegal crime/murders/rape of the Yakuza becomes less of an issue compared to The Imperial Japanese Empire in the minds of the Japanese.

>>9788080
it's both them not fucking you up and other guys not fucking you up. they want to keep you in business so you keep paying them. some other fuckers come by and break your shit, the guys you paid will probably beat them just for invading their territory

>>9788491
I don't get why the owners just don't drop them with some illegal weapons.

Fucking Japan with the whole gun law thing.
The Government has the right to rule over them with weapons and so do the Crime bosses, but the average Japanese citizen is left with no means to defend himself. This is why America has guns. No matter what laws may be in place the evil doers will always have them, so give the good middle man the right to own weapons and things will balance out.

Who here agrees?
If not than please explain why.

>>9788375

you don't know shit about my country:

Politicians are , in fact, the fourth mafia organization after cosa nostra , camorra and n'drangheta

here, i fixed it for you

>>9788521
Yeah nice try, but you wouldn't make it to court to testify.

>>9788521
if you shoot up the yakuza they'll come back pissed with more guys with guns to shoot back. or they just firebomb your store. or they do worse and go after you and your family too. that's part of the point of gangs and organized crime: numbers.

>>9788521
Oh no, the Americans have arrived.

>>9788521

NSLs and any other legal means make your having a 'gun' useless.

Not to mention that your gun means nothing when you die in a missile strike from a drone - aka, the future of all warfare.

pen > sword
strong crypto > guns

>>9788634
The pen is only stronger because you can use it to get other, more retarded people to use their guns for you. It's the same as immortality achieved through accomplishment, and not through living forever.

It's retarded.

>>9788615
That's the great thing about violence: when it doesn't work, use more!

Imagine Cartel levels of violence against Yakuza. They'd roll over in 10 minutes. Find a Yakuza, then start cutting heads off in the streets, boiling people alive, and hanging disemboweled corpses from lamppost and I bet that shit would stop pretty fucking quick.

>>9788662
How exactly you expect to raise an army and import an arsenal in Japan?

>>9788662
That’s the great thing about (gang) violence: it begets even more!
“Cartel level violence” would create gangs with cartel level violence.

>>9788668
Smuggle Vietnamese into Japan from Korea to use as cannon fodder, buy cheap knockoff guns from China, smuggled in through Russia on cute little boats. Explosives can be made with simple materials if you don't care about collateral damage or wrongful death lawsuits from "employees".

>>9788673
That's true, but the people doing it would change. Like how the CIA armed Al Qaeda. Try not to think of the consequences and just hope for the best.

>>9788687
Your face is retarded.

>>9788687
>Smuggle Vietnamese into Japan from Korea to use as cannon fodder, buy cheap knockoff guns from China, smuggled in through Russia on cute little boats. Explosives can be made with simple materials if you don't care about collateral damage or wrongful death lawsuits from "employees".
Yeah, good luck convincing the Japanese that this would be a positive development.

>>9788636
America is everywhere, always.

>>9788662
because the yakuza won't escalate to that too? remember, this is "our ancestors did that rape of nanking" japan. if they want to fuck people up, they will fuck people up. and are you expecting normal people (shop owners) to go to the level of violence you prescribe? organized crime vs organized crime is a whole different thing.

>>9788701
Being as fat as you are it's a wonder you're not seen from space.

>>9788693
I'm sorry.

>>9788698
If all goes according to plan, they won't know until a few massive waves of home invasions, robbery, and murder start happening when the massive gang develops factions and start competing. Then, when the heads of the police and mayors are being found in trashcans, what are they going to do?

>>9788711
Sure they would escalate, and the other side will escalate, even if it's just a race to the bottom. Like an arms race.
>remember, this is "our ancestors did that rape of nanking" japan.
The state will always be the best, by definition, because they are the only ones who can really make ordinary people in to monsters. This would be monsters fighting monsters.

>and are you expecting normal people (shop owners) to go to the level of violence you prescribe?

Of course not, I'm talking about disrupting a relatively civilized and stable criminal hierarchy with a new one just for the sake of change.

Criminals using fancy excuses to do criminal stuff is not exactly something new or unique to the yakuza.

>>9788717
In space America is all you should see.

>>9788730
Go back to your fantasies at /k/, please. This is not how reality works.

>>9788767
>This is not how reality works.
Sure it is. Vicente Fox and the US stuck their dicks in the hornet's nest when they tried to get rid of the drug traffickers, and it made them a hundred times more vicious. It did clear out the traffickers for a time, but the power vacuum was filled by US trained monsters who would do anything.

Yakuza isn't even honest with themselves. They still fancy themselves as gentlemen and maintain at least some facade of politeness. A real vicious violence group with no remaining shreds of morality or conscience would eat them alive. It would be like the middle-class white kids back in high school who wanted to be gangsta when put in a fight with real thugs.

>>9788799
Er... I mean Calderon, not Fox.

>>9788080
Every insurance company is like that.
You get a fucking ticket if you don't have car insurance, so you pay them a monthly fee so the cop wont imprison you and make you pay a shitton of money for not having insurance. I'm sure that punishment came after lots of lobbying from those companies too.
Mafia and Yakuza are just regular insurance companies that launder their money.
You may think a regular insurance company is out to help you in case something happens, but they're not. They'll try their best to deny your claim and they'll win unless you take it to court and spend more on lawyers than you would just paying whatever it was yourself.
I'd take a yakuza over a "proper" institutionalized scam company any day.

>>9788799
Reminds me of that Black Lagoon arc where the Yakuza hired the Russian Mafia to take down an opposing clan and it was tough-acting asian prettyboys with pistols against highly trained ex-military soldiers with military grade weaponry. And the Russians were absolutely massacring everyone like it was nothing and ended up destroying both sides in the end.

>>9788521
Americans aren't as free as they like to think. In many places its practically illegal to own assault weapons
what kind of freedom is that?

>>9788887
Maybe you should move to some third world country where guns are law. America isn't some anarchical wilderness where people shoot each other all day. It's a civilized country for civilized people such as myself.

>>9788904
>america
>country

dumb unitedstatian

>Cutting off a finger and presenting it to your boss for forgiveness is a Yakuza tradition

Is this true?

>>9788375
No they arent.

>>9788521
And look how much shittier the country is with guns. you get high school shootings every fucking month

you got people who dont know what the fuck they are doing shooting each other because of their pent up and childish feelings

>>9788636
The americans were always here dumbshit.

This isnt a european site.

>>9788860
>Black Lagoon arc where the Yakuza hired the Russian Mafia to take down an opposing clan and it was tough-acting asian prettyboys with pistols against highly trained ex-military soldiers with military grade weaponry. And the Russians were absolutely massacring everyone like it was nothing and ended up destroying both sides in the end.


Wow that really happened? and this is an arc? s that one of them shounen shows?

>>9788521
Well that's the reason why Mafias were so successful in Italy, but when they migrated to the Usa they were totally stopped in their tracks by the gun-owning american middleman-OH SNAP!

>>9789328
manga probably

>>9789304
i don't know about you but most of america is only affected by the shootings for like a week and then everyone resumes giving zero fucks. no one is really in fear of their life of guntoting crazies unless they're in a gang neighborhood. those shootings at the theater? yeah, everyone but the people who were injured or lost family in it don't care anymore. it's the truth.

>>9788730
>If all goes according to plan, they won't know
They will never know, because they will never legalize firearms the way you want them to.

>>9788799
>Sure it is.
It's obviously not, seeing as how we don't regularly find yakuza heads in trashcans.

>>9789328

Its' a manga, and it's a seinen.

>>9789328
I wouldn't call Black Lagoon a shounen. All of it's characters are full grown adults anyway.

Best description would be an incredibly over the top, badly funded American action film that has femdom overtones. Still a really great show if you get past how ridiculous it can get. Honestly one of my favorite anime, has some real good moments.

The series is only two seasons with a few OVA. When I mean arc, I mean group of episodes. Each arc is only like 5 episodes or less, they don't drag things out. Each section just has its own plot or mission. The one I described is the last one in the show, but one of the best. I still really like the Twins arc though.
I like how the cast is rather diverse and it doesn't take place in Japan (except for the last part). Only the main character is Japanese, the rest are American or from some other country.

You should at least google it if it interests you.

>>9789508
Why are all those ladies pointing guns at me?

>>9789591
They aren't. One of them is pointing a sword at you.

>>9789508
>I wouldn't call Black Lagoon a shounen.
Because it's a fuggin seinen ya fuggin nerd.

>>9789591
>femdom overtones

>>9789508
Too bad the entire latter half of season 2 is total trash. And the maid is a stupid fucking character.

>>9789612
It's a gunblade.

>>9789508
>badly funded
What do you mean? Black Lagoon had some quality animation, how was it badly funded? Am I overlooking something?

>>9789508
>over the top, badly funded American action film
Or a well funded Hong Kong gun fu/heroic bloodshed movie.
Chow Yun Fat as one of the Black Lagoon characters should be a dead give away.

>>9789628
sorry but a story arc thats literally Terminator 2 except the T-1000 is a maid is the best.

>>9788887
Why does the common citizen need assault weapons?

If you have such a situation, you probably brought it on yourself or want to contact the police immediately.

The latter only works if you haven't done something to bring it on yourself.

>>9789657
too bad the maid is an ugly dork. even more amazing they decided to base the OVAs around her.

>>9789702
>ugly dork
You have no taste in bitches
>they decided to base the OVAs around her.
You are also fucking retarded

>>9789747
Yeah I find my grandma really fucking hot too. What a hot bitch YUM! Those milkbottle glasses really turn me on.

>>9789702
They made an OVA for her because she's an uncontrollable badass. It was great.

>>9789755
You're strong to come out with that, anon. But please, keep it to yourself.

>>9789758
>>9789747
if you're going to samefag at least try to make it a little less obvious. also make yourself taller out of /jp/ and get back to le/animu/.

>>9788571
>>9788615
>>9788634
>>9788636
Some one just needs to take them down.
Some one needs a hero, a hero that they deserve, even if it means death in the end.
Back door deals between politicians and Yakuza.
Yakuza owning corporations for dirty business.
Where is the honor? Hmph? There is none unless you earn it, like a real post-modern warrior or warrior for that matter.
It wouldn't be that hard to take them down I think. Not unless you go ape shit crazy in one day with a plan. That isn't the Japanese way, so they wouldn't even see it coming.......

>>9789591

>>9789770
YOU FUCKING FAGGOT RETARD. I made one of those posts and neither of the others. Stop pretending you are a mod, or actually know shit about anything. You are such a fucking idiot. I love it when stupid faggot little dipshits with tiny dinks like you do those "Same person" line-ups and are totally wrong. Suck my big hairy cock you pathetic know-nothing little queer bait. I'll make you wear a fucking dress. What a stupid fag you are. hard to believe. Fag.

>>9789770
You missed by an inch.
>>9789758
>>9789766
Was me.

>>9789770
>samefag
Gotta love when people can't handle the pressure and pretend that there can be only one person disagreeing with them.

>>9789822
Learn to use meme arrows properly you insufferable cross-board scumbag.

>>9789632
Sorry, I did not mean Black Lagoon was badly funded, as it indeed has some great animation.
I meant it towards the analogy of an action film, mainly a B-Movie. Perhaps I used the wrong words.

What are some good Yakuza movies?

>>9789837
Oh, well I get what you're saying then, definitely. Apology accepted, anon.

>>9789834
What, you think that post would be better with implying implications?
may be i should splice it with some reaction images too?

>>9789838
All the Yakuza Papers movies
Outrage 1, and the soon to be release Outrage 2.
(I loved it, but be warned that others thought I was a troll once for suggesting) Branded To Kill

The first and second Maiku Hama movies revolve around the Yakuza. They are on the must watch list fore sure.

Maiku Hama The Most Terrible Time In My Life
Maiku Hama The Stairway To The Distant Past

Maybe try Youth Of The Beast.
I own the dvd, but have yet to watch it.
It was directed by Seijun Suzuki and he has never let me down so who knows.

>>9789864
I do. Why are you here if you aren't going to use images?

>>9789877
Thanks, should be fun to watch over the weekend. Although I imagine they're not "fun" movies, so much as well made and interesting but very depressing.

>>9788521

>>9789897
Maiku Hama is always fun in the end. Maiku Hama movies have such mystery, quirkiness, and strange complexity.

Maiku Hama is like a Rock & Roll star who just so happens to be a freelance detective. A lot of movies of the series and even a 12 episode TV series. There is a manga/almost-comic issue of Miaku Hama and a book too.
You can only find 4 of the movies though outside of Japan. I'll have to buy as much as I can of Maiku Hama when I visit Japan....someday.

>>9789591
The nun isn't pointing a gun at you.

>>9789932
Balalaika doesn't even have a gun on a trigger either. She is being gangsta and pointing a gun in a vague direction

>>9789914
Is this any better?
No wonder the Yakuza prey on them.....This is what I am talking about.......

>>9789979
Only idiots and bullies "prey" on innocent people who just like to have fun.

>>9790459
My point is valid though.

Yakuza are mostly filled with koreans.

>>9790687
Please refer to >>9788266

>>9790687
*Zainichi Koreans

Which basically are Japanese with Korean blood.

>>9790727
You can't be Japanese if you have korean blood in you.

Why are you guys talking about guns?

Most yakuza don't even have guns and the ones who do get their hands on a gun are so inexperienced that they miss every time or the gun is so shitty that it doesn't even fire.

Escalating violence by allowing everyone to easily be armed with high quality guns does nothing but make everything much worse. I would much rather live in a country where all of the thugs can only carry knives or just beat you up instead of a country like the U.S where pretty much every gang member is packing at any given time.

>>9790728
But the Monkey emperor has Korean blood flowing in him, since the Japanese are descendant of the Koreans.

>>9790749
I know right? Give me the good old days when it took some degree of skill to kill a guy.

>>9790749
I'd rather be shot to death than stabbed to death honestly.

>>9790757

You have a better chance at defending yourself if you're up against someone with a knife though. It's different with guns, it's pretty much pointless to even learn self-defense when they will just blow you away before you can move an inch.

>>9790757
But at least with knife you have a fighting chance because they have to come up real close to stab you unless they just happen to be really good at throwing knives.

You can easily know that how eagerly, systemetically Japanese are doing something 'Dirty works' to put down images of Korea on youtube when you see some threads related Korea on 2ch site of Japan. Even they were so glad of making a Kpop music clip of ten million views deleted. Surely they have a special team for youtube and I've even heard that they have supported some money from some right-wing companies
They are doing anyting they can do with any sauces can make Korea depreciated. Korea's football,politics, plastic surgery, Kpop..etc..They've disorted everything. Koreans call this acting "HUMHAN"

>>9790766
Yes, also you if guys were actually dedicated to your training you would be practicing with the your Katana everyday. I've been practicing every day and I'm also striving to become better, I also carry my Katana with me at all times.

>>9790784
thank god you don't go outside then

>>9790757

Bullets would probably hurt more though. Most people on the street use hollow point bullets and that would be far more painful than being stabbed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHo0K2Sc0g

Imagine that hitting you in the stomach. It would be excruciating.

>>9790791
I live in Japan.

私様は日本に住んでいる。

>>9790800
>私様
>様
faaaaaaaaaaaaggot

>>9790801
the odds of surviving beign shot would have to be better than having an arm hacked off or something with a sword.

>>9790803

Maybe with a regular bullet if it goes clean through, but these expand like a flower on impact and shred apart your internal organs.

>>9790803
Look 様 up in a dictionary, it's a polite suffix. There's nothing wrong with it and you should always use those types of things.

>>9790812
you don't use them on yourself, turbonerd. people would laugh at you.

>>9790803
Your odds of being able to escape a man with a sword are much higher than your chances of escaping a man with a gun, though.

>>9790803

>better than having an arm hacked off or something with a sword.

It's a lot harder to do something like that than most people think. They show those examples on the discovery channel where they're cutting through objects, but they never account for the fact that people don't stand still and they would most likely be moving around during the fight so it would be hard to slash through past the bone when your target is flailing around and screaming.

People don't really walk around with anything larger than a hunting knife now though anyway. Most knife wounds aren't fatal unless they get lucky and hit an artery. That's why bullets are more dangerous, they will generally aim for your chest or stomach and a knife can only stab so far into you but a bullet can go all the way through you without much trouble and if it gets lodged inside of you then you're even more likely to die.

>>9790816
that image is my life; thank god I learned about 4chan :)

>>9790821
It is not the man I fear, but what is beyond the man. He has trained, steeled his body, his mind, his soul, everyday he has practiced with his katana, honed his skill to kill, to kill me.

His spirit ignites the blade's edge to make it faster than any bullet. His mind has ingrained it into his body, its speed becomes his own. His thoughts are fixated upon a singularity that is my immolation.

My death has been planned countless times, every single aspect of even remote variance has been quantified and accounted for with meticulous detail. My demise is no longer but a plan, it is an established fact.

Do you think that me, the fat shut-in, has any chance at all to escape from that which has become death's herald?

>>9790847
you are the biggest weaboo in the history of weaboos. gun beats sword.

please kill yourself

>>9790750
What bull shit
The Japanese clearly have different DNA
They were in Japan before the Koreans were even around and mated with the Jomon.
Stop with your Korean propaganda you Korean

>>9790847
Even you could conceivably fall out a window near a bicycle and pedal furiously away while that guy impotently waves his grolius katana

>>9790867
t-thanks

>>9790867
21 foot rule

In America, you can always find people stockpiling ammo and food, preparing for whenever shit hits the fan. They shall look after themselves. When society breaks down there shall be much rioting, raping and looting. See the aftermath of Katrina. This is because civilization, culture, universal brotherhood and all that jazz don't exist in America. There is only advanced technology made by smart people that everyone likes to shit on and call "nerds", and a collective mindset that could be colloquially described as "ain't gonna let nobody fuck over me". Sort of like Ayn Rand. They clamor for guns because they have zero trust in their own community. Also, they have more inmates than any other country on the planet.

While in Japan, where crimes are far lower, you can find people lining up for supplies after a natural disaster, instead of looting and raping others. I know where I want to be when something really bad happens.

you are really stupid they`re all north east asian. a comparison would be saying british people and french people have different genes

>>9790887
UR mum is east. east of the promiscuity line LMAO

>>9790876
The 21 foot rule is based upon assumptions.

1) the gun is holstered, safety on, etc
2) the gunner is not aware of the knife user's presence
3) one stab is sufficient to fell the gunner before the gunner shoots
4) the gunner is stationary, and does not run away/backpedal while drawing
5) there are no other gunners around who could interfere

These things can easily change, in or against the favor of the knife user.

>>9790886
Yes because they're totally going to share their supplies with gaijin.

They have a strong sense of community.. within their own culture.. no outsiders.

>>9790886
asians are way more meek by nature that is why they're crime rates are low. could you imagine panty sniffing nerds robbing banks?

>>9790897
I certainly don't want to be with people who are proud that they can get in their cars and go rob the bank at any moment to compensate for their social inadequacies. Last time I checked I got advanced education to pursue and something greater to achieve in life instead of confusing GTA with real life.

>>9790893
>4) the gunner is stationary, and does not run away/backpedal while drawing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POu_KdeqKvc&

>>9790914
>move backwards
>it's more than 21feet now
>lose

i don't think he gets that people are saying you can run away

>>9790897
>could you imagine panty sniffing nerds robbing banks?
superior beings don't do that kind of stuff.

>>9790914
listen faggot swords can't beat gun's. you need to stop being a fag and using reason instead of emotion. I know you like your omg perfect sugoi nihonjin katana's but they don't beat guns. using a single terrible video to disprove a widely known fact is low.

>>9790914
>comments are disabled for this video
I'm going to guess there is something wrong with his completely scientific method of attacking cardboard.

>>9790916
but your a NEET... how can you be so stupid

Will warfare ever get back to the point where people are at least slightly close to each other during the battle?

Warfare today is like shooting at ants that are a mile away. Both groups are so far away that you can barely see them with a scope and it's impossible to see them without a scope or binocular. Most of the time you just sit behind something hard, occasionally pop out to shoot at the air, and then sit back down.

I was watching a documentary and it was showing footage with a battle between the British Army/Afghan army and the Taliban group they were fighting and either side couldn't see each other since they were both so far away. It got to the point where they actually ran out of ammo since they were just shooting randomly in the direction of where the bullets were coming from. Hell, half of the Afghan troops were just sitting behind some rubble, smoking opium, and laughing during the entire fight.

>>9790939
It all depends on the skill of the wielder. You can not contest this, please give up.

>>9790939
Sorry anon but in the end it's really all about soul. the gun may have technical superiority but that can easily be overcome.

Yes, if you don't pay them, they will rob you.

Yes, they will protect you from other yakuza over territory disputes.

Yes, they will protect you from petty criminals who go on their turf.

Yes, they will settle disputes without getting the government involved.

Some yakuza are better than others. Basically you pay taxes to a "government" to provide arbitration, peacekeeping, and protection of "citizens" against other "governments" and other "citizens"

>>9790954
Future warfare will consist of remote-controlled and autonomous (flying) robots and battles will be decided by complex calculations, superior AI and technical counter-measures.
Human combatants will serve as decoys.

>>9790956
My gun is already drawn, and I have three other gunman with me, show me your skill, nerd.

>>9790954
That's because the war isn't against an organized army. Just wait until World War 3, cities will be major targets and you know how cramped warfare will be in them.

>>9790960
like i said use your reason instead of your emotions you sound like the woman you enjoy making fun of. guns are superior not even debatable

>>9790984
Aikido master here. Guns are pretty much useless when faced with Aikido.

It can easily reverse bullets, and furthermore: Add more force.

A reversed 9mm bullet is more like a fucking cannonball made of burning suns of rage. It could easily tear through a tank.

That is the power of Aikido.

Swords can't beat guns. You can't look at 1vs1 examples because in that case a man with a frying pan could hypothetically beat someone with a gun. I don't like guns and I wish it weren't true, but it is.

The only way that someone with a sword can beat someone with a gun is if they have the element of surprise and if they're very close to them. Neither of these things matter though because battles are not fought between two people. The sword users might be able to get a few sneak attacks and kill some soldiers that are alone or asleep, but the second that the soldiers realize that they're there then they will be mowing them down like that scene from the samurai movie with Tom Cruise.

>>9790984
I wouldn't even have to. Gun users are known to be low IQ brutes, so you would all end up killing each other.

>>9790897
>could you imagine panty sniffing nerds robbing banks?
Actually, yes. I've seen huge nerds getting molded into platoon leaders in a short time. Shyness becomes a minor thing when a certain level of necessity is reached.

>>9790995
>>9791004
>Swords can't beat guns

Gonna have to provide a source for that, sherrif.

>>9791004
why hate guns. guns are cool

>>9790996
One of my gunman has a 40mm gernade launcher, the other is positioned 15 miles away with a .50 caliber sniper, the other is commanding a Sovetsky class battle cruiser, and I'm in an Apache helicopter armed for BEAR. Just try to cut me with your martial jitsu, I'll leave a crater where you used to be, and then use it as a toilet.

>>9790996
I hate you. HATE YOU.

Also if swords are so great why does every army in the world use guns? Checkmate newage suburban samurai

>>9791010
that isn't true /jp/ wouldn't make good criminals they're cowards its the truth. a basement dwelling panty sniffing nerd will never rob bank command armies or do anything that requires balls.

>>9791004
Get yourself a gun and face this man on the street.
>element of surprise
They call it "tactics" in the army.

>>9791022
coward = careful, quick to flee = outlives meathead criminals which are a dime a dozen = get more experience, potentially confidence in their work = master criminal

>>9791026
>A mortar shell killed or wounded everyone but Churchill, who was playing "Will Ye No Come Back Again?" on his pipes as the Germans advanced.
Whats he gunna do, bleed my ears to death?

>>9791022
>basement dwelling panty sniffing nerd will never rob bank
Hackers don't ring a bell?

>>9791011

The average engagement range in warfare today can be well over 500-1000 meters. If you had a traditional army of sword users up against modern day soldiers then what could they possibly do to defeat them?

The sword users would be getting picked off before they even saw their target and the only things they could do would either be run away or blindly rush towards the direction of the shots and get slaughtered before they ever even get close to them.

>>9791029
just no and you should know why

>>9791022
Alright, they were academically inclined. I used 'nerd' in the traditional meaning of the word. They certainly didn't have an ultra-negative /jp/ floorshitter mentality.

>>9791036
japs are meek and are afraid of going into prison nearly all of them don't know how to hack. the few that do won't do it.

>>9791014

Guns are boring as hell. They look entertaining in the movies and the games, but in reality it's almost all long range shots. If they ever made a movie or a game about realistic battles then most of the movie would just be watching people sit in cover for long periods of time.

>>9791052
What does that have to do with anything? Pantysniffing hackers that rob banks exist outside of Japan or not.

>>9791060
the modern battlefield can get quite interesting and complicated. with tanks, jets, UAV's, the list goes on the modern battlefield is diverse and complicated i find it pretty interesting

Yakuza, Mafia, corporations and all governments are basically the same thing, all they want is to control, dominate and exploit the masses.
Nothing will ever change that, people with power will try to control and exploit people with no power. Warfare is just cuntries trying to get more control and power over people they cant yet control.
The only solution would be to completely change education and culture in general so when one man tries to control another he will refuse immediately and irrevocably then finally humanity can be truly free. Sadly most people like being controlled, so it will probably never happen.

>>9791068

>tanks, jets, UAV's

These can be interesting if you like fireworks, but ground combat in modern day warfare is complete boredom occasionally interrupted by periods of intense terror as your friend gets his head blown off and the enemy is so far away that you can't see or do shit.

>>9791069

>Sadly most people like being controlled, so it will probably never happen.

Humans need control in the same way that wolves need pack leaders. Humans naturally seek out leaders in everything, you can't even put two humans together without someone eventually taking a dominant position, even if they do so unconsciously.

Now we have a world with billions of people, if there is no leader to control everyone else then it would chaos and constant fighting for dominance. It's our nature.

The only free human is an isolated human. You have to be completely alone and cut off from any contact with other humans to get to that point.

>>9791127
There's a huge difference between "it's in the human nature" and "in my opinion".

>>9788749
>murka invented rockets
lel

Is Meido blind?

del please

>>9789663
>>9788887

You're both retards debating things you don't understand.

WUTS ASSAULT WEAPON?

The classification is a relatively recent construct trying to make things appear scarier than they are.

All modern firearms propel a projectile out of a barrel with enough force to kill. You don't need a second shot. A single 12ga buckshot shot centermass will kill. A single 5.56x45 center mass will kill.

All firearms are "assault weapons". Trully, a weapon's intended usage is to assault something that will cease to function/live/operate once the projectile hits it, whether that thing is a bird, wolf, human, automobile or mecha.

>>9792378
>assblasted yuropoor
Stay mad faggot.

>>9792413
>yfw you're space program is german

I don't respect criminals.

Please don't glorify them.

>>9791127
There is no inborn "human nature". Everything a human is will be taken from the environment and culture he/she is raised in.
A human raised and educated in a capitalistic, controlling society will be materialistic, greedy and indifferent to the suffering of others because he himself is dominated even if he doesn't realize it.
A human raised by wolfs will have more in common mentally with a wolf then with another human.
A human raised in a egalitarian, free, sharing society where crime between humans is pointless since everything is shared will inherit those same attributes.

>>9792745
>>9792745

No.
History is full of opposite examples. Lenin parents was rich (compared to the most) . He was born and raised in imperial Russia. Do you know what happened here? There also god damn Che Guevara, Churchill, Hitler, Shakespeare and millions of others. Many serial killers was actualy from well behaved non problem families.
A lot of famous scientists, artists, poets were born into poor houses and was raised in the shithole village.

>>9792888
I don't think you understand my point, that there is no human nature that all humans share; that doesn't mean all people are the same, quite the opposite.
Some like the arts, science, etc. and will follow and develop that passion.
Few are born with malformations, like retards, sociopaths etc.
Also you are underestimating the environmental effect on people, for example do you think that Lenin or Che Guevara would have been the same people if they had never read Marx ? Or Hitler would have been the same if he had never lived through the horrors of gas warfare in WW1 ? etc.

>>9790886
They don't have blacks in Japan. The ghetto level ones already operate with passive disregard for the government, and if you remove that entirely, they start killing people in the streets.

>>9794702
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZIpmp_nVo

Another thing was that I once was in contact with an American catholic priest and his website where he was once a young man of 16 - 19 living in Japan as a Delinquent. The priest's father was a business man sent to japan for long term occupancy and the priest (who was only 16 at the time and not a priest) went with him. There, as a young man, the priest lived a life of sex, drugs, fighting, and a over all badass in high school. Eventually the young man, the priest as a young man, started working for the Yakuza. He eventually was exported out of Japan back to the U.S.A and his father was filled with such remorse and saddness at his son's behavior. The Yakuza were said to even be after one of the young man's fingers, because he had beat up one of the lower Yakuza bosses for trying to push him around.

After the boy came back to America he had a rough time and eventually felt so ashamed of himself and what he did. After coming back to Catholicism the boy lived for a while doing a regular job, but eventually became a priest. He now goes across America spreading the word of Christ using his life as an example of how Christ's forgiveness changes a person through redemption.
He has a book out about his life in Japan and how he converted eventually.
He is trying to get back into Japan at the risk of his life against the Yakuza to spread Catholicism, but the Japanese government have not given any permission yet.
I do not remeber what his site, name, or book name is called, so I'll have to get back to everyone on that.

I'm bumping.
Bump

To the idiots saying a cictzen has no need for modern miltary grade weapons, that's actually the whole point of the second amendment. Huntin', and chasing away niggers who think you have a tv is only a secondary benefit of having guns, the real reason people are allowed them is to fight back against a tyrannical government, should one happen by.