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touhouwiki, the other one is outdated

wikia are kikes and force their web 2.0 shitty design, that's why they lost a lot of wikis and niwa and such were born

>>9784308
touhouwiki.net if only for its much much cleaner design, and that Voile uses it to track release status.

>>9784308
Wikia for sure.

Wikia if you want unreliable informations sprinkled with secondary shit and shitty design.
Poolshmer for better design and slightly more reliable informations, also release dates of albums and news

I don't know about you guys, but I just can't handle going on touhouwiki after they added those fairy sprites. They feel so wrong.

>>9784358
I know what you mean.
They are made by that AskUdonge guy who pretends to be Reisen while making drawings which are not bad to be honest.

I got used tgo them by now, they are kinda cute

>>9784358
They really bug me too. They feel out of place. I don't get why people feel the need to reinforce that YES, THIS IS A TOUHOU WIKI LOOK AT THE TOUHOU THINGS. You should have a logo and an appropriate colour scheme. Perhaps themed icons where icons were originally, but nothing more than that.

>>9784358
Yes, they're awful.

I don't like the Touhou Wiki logo. It's Alice inside two double brackets. Was that because it's the MediaWiki syntax for a link? Did they even draw the Alice?

I get the feeling it's some sort of placeholder that people just got used to.

>>9784358
They've bothered me since I first noticed them. Thankfully they're only on one page so you never really have to see them.

>>9784358
Nothing will ever be as bad as the black Remilia backround the wikia once had

>>9784386
It's from Moedan, a fan game.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Touhou_Wiki&useskin=modern
Superiorest skin, though it still has the fairies.

>>9784394
Black... Remilia...
ALL OF MY RAGE

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Touhou_Wiki/Archive_11#Yousei_Daisensou_.7E_Wiki_Mainpage_Restyli
ng_and_Fairy_Invasion

Bureaucracy at its finest.

>>9784367
But his art isn't even good. Or cute at all. It works because of the tumblr format and execution when he's "answering" questions. It's a bunch of doodles colored with paint's ink fill tool. The finnish dude's art is better.

>>9784427
Never said it's good, I just think it's not bad and a unique artstyle.
I wish they would just put a button on the page to turn them off

>>9784427
This. They don't work particularly well at small sizes, either. It's obvious they have been scaled down. Any ENTERPRISE ICON DESIGNER will tell you that this is a bad idea.

>>9784432
While I did misunderstand you saying it's good, I did say the "unique" artstyle can only really be well played out when taking advantage of the tumblr format. The artstyle clashes so much with the wiki it feels offensive.

And, with that, I've reached my weekly quota of inverted commas.

Instead of updating the front page with stupid pictures, they should rather do something productive like writing about Forbidden Scrollery in their news corner or getting rid of all that <Insert Main Summary> <Insert Summary> on every character page by writing a summary.

>>9784455
That stuff won't get you pageviews though!

>>9784348
I hear you so much. I really hope that crap doesn't spread beyond the main page.
Why is it Lily in the news section? That doesn't make any sense at all.

>>9784464
She announces stuff

>>9784412
>Let's compare what other fan wikis, such as Super Mario Wiki, Bulbapedia, and the Puella Magi Wiki, do.
>Touhou Wiki as of now doesn't have much of a 'personality'. We still have a LOT of design space and room

Fucking idiots! The other wikis are the ones doing it wrong! They're cesspools meant to attract 14-year-olds who like pretty colours over confusing site layouts!

>>9784358
I hear you so much. They're so out-of-place. I really hope that crap doesn't spread beyond the main page.
Why is it Lily in the news section? That doesn't make any sense at all.

>>9784358
I totally missed that. Apparently having a custom search provider for them was a good idea.

>>9784472
>pretty colours and* confusing site layouts!

I was so high on my righteous fury I made a typo.

>>9784472
Someone should email them and tell them this.
I always liked the poolshmer wiki for being so minimalistic and simple.

>>9784468
She announces SPRING. That's it.
We've got two perfectly good news reporter Touhous, but nooo, it's gotta be Lily because shes a fairy and fairies are cute.

>>9784472
Oh fuck, who said that? That is not a good sign.

Someone just email them this thread.

I have a feeling they went with the sprites simply because that Tumblr person drew them. The response in >>9784412 wasn't particularly positive.

The Japanese have it right:
http://thwiki.info/

The site isn't particularly attractive (or even too well-organised), but there aren't any clashing colours or superfluous sprites.

>>9784491
Is the tumblr guy someone big in the community? I don't get involved with the touhou fandom besides /jp/ and, before the changes, I thought he was just a curiosity on the internet, since his drawings were posted once or twice here.

Mailing this thread will mean nothing because there's no way to prove this thread issn't a samefag circlejerk.

>>9784503
I will sign up for an account and prove I'm a separate human being if that's what it takes.

>>9784490
>As said in this section's title, the theme is Fairy Wars. Thus taking out only Lily and adding Aya would make the other ones (Suny, Luna, Star) become unrelated at the same time (technically Aya did appear in FW but...).--Doncot (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2012 (EDT)

>>9784511
4chan is known as the stupid no fun havers who are racist and mean and don't like nice things so our opinions will be left unheard anyways

Really, you all are complaining about fairies?
Just ignore them.
If you can't learn to ignore fairies, you'll never make it in Gensokyo.

>>9784491
is it one admin in charge of decisions? is there some cabal that reinforces this kind of stuff on themselves, making reversions almost impossible?

>>9784522
It's still fucking stupid. I suppose shit-eating grin Marisa will replace Alice on the logo soon?

>>9784538
The point is that this fairies are visually annoying. The fairies of my Gensokyo are beautiful. Besides, I'm not expecting to run into cirno in the depths of Patche's library, if this is good enough an analogy.

>>9784491
It's like some young student who makes a Powerpoint presentation and thinks that he has to add every effect or else it will look too boring and no one wil read it. It's often the simple design that's much more easy to read.

You guys are expecting too much if you think they'll listen to some nobodies on a site that's reputed for not liking anything. Or at least that's what it feels like when they have a dedicated facebook page.

>>9784545
>fairies are visually annoying. The fairies of my Gensokyo are beautiful.

See, that's the thing, though. No matter how beautiful they may be, they are still fairies and they are still fucking annoying, so eventually you become annoyed with their appearance too.

And while you may not run into Cirno in Voile, you will run into the fairy maids that work at the Scarlet Devil Mansion.

Or did you forget about them?

>>9784561
Annoying, yes. Not visually annoying, though.

>And while you may not run into Cirno in Voile, you will run into the fairy maids that work at the Scarlet Devil Mansion.

Those are kept in check despite their incompetence.

First step: OMG SU CYUUTEE Fairies on front page
Next step: LOL SO FUNNAY XD Cirno background
Next step: Marisa stole the precious thing plays everytime you open a page
Next step: ...

>>9784308
Touhouwiki is the real one.

Touhou Wiki started as pooshlmer, then migrated to Wikia at some point due to server concerns, I guess, then migrated away from Wikia because Wikia went to shit. The thing about Wikia is that they don't really let you delete wikis if they deem them to be popular enough (read: ad magnets), so its moribund corpse stayed around.

>>9784569
/jp/ starts a own wiki project which nobody will work on except 1 guy and will be known as another failed project.
From then on everyone on /jp/ uses the japanese touhou wiki

>>9784567
No, no, no. I meant that eventually, you will be conditioned by their mere presence to associate them with annoyance in visual manner. And anything that resembles a fairy will annoy you.
Even if the fairies are sitting quietly and minding their own business, you will get annoyed.

>>9784579
Why do all our Wikis fail, anyway? Project-specific ones like Vienne I can understand, but why is jpwiki.co.cc parked to some strange dictionary? Why is literally every project on jp-devel.co.cc dead?

>>9784594
Everyone in /jp/ wants to be the brain but don't want to be the muscle. Or lack the qualifications to even be muscle.

The latter is my case, but I'm sure once I finally get all my kanji and grammar memorized, I'll probably lose all the will to translate anything.

en.touhouwiki.net has been great since they fixed their youkai species translations.

Why do people feel like they have to create a wiki for every niche, anyway? Was yukkuri.wikia.com vitally necessary? Did the creator put it on his résumé?

>>9784609
Some are made just for fun. Others are made out of insanity. I think if you're on /jp/ you should be in a stage where you don't really question these things.

>>9784605
I loved the yuurei debate. I think separating yuurei/bourei into phantom/ghost was a pretty sensible move. I hope it sticks in the English community.

>>9784617
Do we get our own Neko Scarlet race too? That's a dealbreaker.

The wiki lists even the shittiest Touhou event in it's news section, but can't even tell you that WAHH 13 is out.

>>9784639
There are bigger things to-do, in my opinion.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Summarize
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Untranslated
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedTemplates

Those summaries in particular are a big problem. As someone said, all the "<Insert Summary Here>" and "<Insert Here>" sections are pretty annoying.

>>9784638

To speak of that which ought not exist is to grant it life.

Leo is an old friend of mine. Even though he's not a /jp/er himself, he first learned about Touhou through me and another friend of mine (who's also an old /jp/ user from pre-split /a/). So you're welcome, /jp/.

Obviously I'm biased towards his art because I've seen him draw for ages, but I'm super happy for the praise he gets. Mostly because he's a super chill dude with an amazing work ethic who spent years drawing for ungrateful, whiny, demanding, spoiled manchildren who took him for granted, so it's just heartwarming to see lots of other people appreciate his stuff (even if it's horrible Tumblr-type kids).

>>9784698
I'd rather deal with valid critique instead of getting my dick sucked by the tumblr crowd

>>9784698
> who spent years drawing for ungrateful, whiny, demanding, spoiled manchildren who took him for granted

If only he had taken the hint and stopped.

>>9784703
This. Seriously, what you're saying isn't a good thing. He isn't being some brave, respectable person. He's pandering to the lowest common denominator. I could take my art to DeviantART, my anime knowledge to Gaia, or my expert programming skills to Reddit, and I would be fucking mad bitches by now. And it's not that I'm particularly good at these things, it's just that people in those communities are easy to please. Plenty of artists and bloggers and other content creators do exactly this, because it gets them the attention and approval they want, without explicit criticism.

Your friend should have more respect for himself.

||en.touhouwiki.net/skins/common/images/charsprites.png

Holy fuck they're gone forever.
Seriously guys can you just not into Adblock or what. I personally find them tolerable, just a bit high-contrast for the page. I like how other anons have pointed out that people will ignore your requests since it comes from 4chan and 4chan doesn't like anything, because whining about the fairy images like this and not doing anything about it only validates that sentiment.

>>9784719
Sure it's a solution for you, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
What kind of people do they hope to attract with this?
Why would they want a more colorful layout?

>>9784719
>Seriously guys can you just not into Adblock or what.

Fuck this excuse. The fact is, they shouldn't be there in the first place. I have Adblock installed and it's trivial to remove them, but it's a matter of principle. If moot made 4chan's background hot pink, people would have every right to complain, even if/when they fix(ed) it themselves.

Most the content on the wikia looks like it was directly copied from the other wiki, and even then most of the pages only have half the content or use unofficial sources, such as the picture on Youki's page.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Youki_Konpaku

>>9784655
>Pages in category "Untranslated"
>Concealed the Conclusion
>Concealed the Conclusion
>Concealed the Conclusion
>Fan-made characters/Meimu
>Moedan
>Sanae Challenge! FUSION
>Sengoku Gensokyo
>Sengoku Gensokyo
>Shuusou Gyoku
>Subterranean Hatred
>The Alternative Age
>The Alternative Age

Sure is important fanon material here.
Though someone does need to get on those ZUN blogs.

>>9784772
>Fan-made characters/Meimu

Oh god

>>9784772
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but wasn't one of Touhou Wiki's original goals to keep fanon to a minimum? There were some pretty big examples of fanon taking over the Wikia wiki.

I just noticed one day most of the character articles had "Fanon Culture" sections, and some of them were larger than the rest of the page.

>>9784738
>>9784741
Well then go actually complain to the people that can change things instead of staying here about it. It isn't an excuse for it being there at all if it were truly "bad"; but currently everyone is just whining and doing nothing about actually solving the problem, propagating the assumption that 4chan just doesn't like anything and decreasing the likelihood people will actually take your complaints seriously. If you aren't going to actually do anything to address your complaints then just hide it with Adblock.

>>9784786
It's fine if it's got its own section.
A better example would be the fairies we're upset about.

>>9784779
So it's "dark" Reimu?

How old is this person, and why was this considered notable enough to have a page on the Wiki?

>>9784798
Eh, I disagree. I think the Wiki should act as an encyclopedia for official material only, at least where official material is concerned. Fan games and music and so on are fine, but I think the official content should be like a writers' bible rather than a compilation of how so-and-so has huge tits in some doujinshi.

I can't explain why I think like this, so I just hope someone agrees with me.

>>9784801
A lot of times people add things to the wiki unnoticed. And other people skim by it not even thinking whether it belongs there or not.

This is probably one of those times. Exterminate.

>>9784703
It's not that they were criticizing him, as far as I know, they just treated him like their personal drawbitch.

>>9784714
Eh, personally, I like his blog. I don't feel like he's selling out or pandering to Tumblr people in particular, it's a bunch of gag jokes like the ones he always did, in his own personal style. As long as he doesn't start tainting himself with Tumblr memes or whatever, I'm good.

>>9784811
There have been a few contributors:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Fan-made_characters/Meimu&action=history

Though when an article begins with the edit summary "Knowing the exect info on this character is hard!" you just know you're in for a treat.

Those two had some kind of googlebombing battle, right out of my own home town, apparently.

Well, I mean, judging by my finding myself having to solve captchas to search for touhou on google from here.

>>9784824
Oh good lord, no. Theres more..

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fan-made_characters/Sasha_Sashiromiya
Just.. why
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fan-made_characters/Mitori_Kawashiro
>GENTLEMEN WE NEED A NEW NITORI.
>...MITORI?
>GOOD JOB.

kill them all

Someone make the request to delete all the fan-made characters on the Touhou Wiki and move them over to http://originalcharacters.wikia.com/wiki/Original_Characters_Wiki

>>9784843
Who the fuck makes original characters for Touhou of all things?

>>9784843
>This wiki is for ORIGINAL CHARACTERS only. No Fan characters such as characters made for series like Sonic, Naruto, Death Note, and Bleach. You must have a picture of your OC to go with your article or it WILL be in dangered of being removed. You also must DRAW your character. No recolors or traced pictures okay. (This also includes bases from sites like Deviantart.) If your character is a Sue it WILL be labled as such. Follow these rules and have fun!

Oh god this sounds like a comedy goldmine.

>>9784840
I think some of them actually spawned in japan.
That Mitori even has a theme on youtube

>>9784852
Makes sense, to be honest. When you have a series with a large cast of characters, particularly with some sort of theme (in Touhou's case, little girls based on mythological creatures), every 14-year-old in the world wants to make their own original character with jet black hair with a red streak and they're half-werewolf half-vampire half-demi-god and also dated Reimu and Marisa but he was too cool for them.

>>9784863
It just seems like a harmless, out of the way series about little girls that would also be very difficult for a ten year old to play. What is the attraction?

>>9784863
For many people touhou is nothing but a blank slate anime world with blank slate characters to make fanfictions or give the characters retarded personalities

>>9784857
>I think some of them actually spawned in japan.
Because that makes it somehow better right? Japan made it, so its OK?

>>9784857
That really doesn't make it okay.
If anything, that makes it worse. You just know they're not going to accept Western characters, but will accept Eastern equivalents.

>>9784852
Sasha was pretty cute. Although I guess she's more of a fake character.

>>9784857

>>9784869
This person was working on a Touhou fangame. He had hundreds of webcam videos, many were of him drawing sprites in Paint and doing expert dragging-and-dropping in Game Maker.

I became obsessed with him for a while, but a few weeks ago he closed his YouTube account.

>>9784503
>there's no way to prove this thread issn't a samefag circlejerk

How many of you guys have an account on the wiki? I mean, one that you've used at at least one point in the past? Enough people with them getting together to protest would be enough of the proof, I think.

I've just seen the front page for the first time in months thanks to this thread, and holy shit, it's awful, and the drawings themselves are butt ugly. How can that crap still be there, are people afraid to speak up for some reason?

>>9784913
Most pseudonymous/forced registration communities hate the whole "criticism" thing.

>>9784882
Pretty much, yeah. There's a reason people care about Japanese fan comics but don't give a shit about Western ones. Who gives a shit if Reimu's mom gets an article? She's popular enough.

>>9784913
>How can that crap still be there, are people afraid to speak up for some reason?
Nobody ever visits the front page is why.

>>9784882
While it's certainly not okay, it kinda makes it less suspicious and less harmful, as it generally means they were made outside the wiki and allowing them won't bring up more "creative" kids on board.

>>9784963
It's not harming anyone any more than Hei Meiling's pixiv Encyclopedia article is shitting up Pixiv. Get over it, guys.

>>9784840
>>9784857
>>9784887
www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8339715

>>9784538

Have you seen their face?

OH GOD THEIR FACE!

>>9784906
Holy fucking christ, I just saw his photos on facebook. What the HELL are children so young doing in the internet? What the fuck, seriously, his parents must be complete idiots.

While I searched I also discovered things like these:

http://superskarmory.net/forum/showthread.php?1762-The-Usenet-Quoting-Guide
https://www.facebook.com/CoolStoryBroButItNeedsMoreMiku

The normals' internet makes me shiver.