/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I'll kill my parents and NEET it up until the police come.

>killing you out
Shit, I'd change my ways.

>>9770874
> monastery

Where am I going to find a monastery that has an internet connection and doesnt frown upon masturbation?

>>9770874
If they try to kill me then I'll arrange a perfect closed room murder and the police won't be able to convict me. I'll then live off my inheritance.

nah, I couldn't get a job even if I wanted to
its been years since I left HS and they would immediatly want to know why I lack any job experience

Seriously I'm trying to get a job doing freelance programming.
That's a bit of a gray area isn't it. On one hand, I'm getting a job, on the other, this is the only job I'm willing to have because I'm basically my own boss and I can do it while pissing in bottles.

How is she a NEET is she's an idol?

>>9770973
She's NEET on the inside like me.

A half NEET if you will.

ill become a camwhore with my 11 inch cock
does anyone want to see it

I receive welfare and sell pot that i purchased from welfare to maintain my neet status. Is pot dealing employment? I never really thought of it as work until now.

Alternatively, I'd gain control of a means of production and exploit the workers by taking their surplus product so that I can live a life of leisure.

>>9770981
If it's not work to you or takes up most of your day, you're fine.

Employment in the way that it exists today is disgusting to me and I will never allow myself to be a part of it by having a job.

I don't mind working and I'll work hard when I do something, but I won't work a job. Careers/jobs are disgusting and I believe that they're morally wrong.

People should not have to do meaningless tasks in exchange for currency. Most people spend their lives working in a job that means nothing to them. If they work in a factory then they do some mindnumbing task, possibly packing crates which will be shipped off to who knows where, and their only motivation is the currency that they get in exchange for doing this.

Look at a simple farmer in a very small town for example. He works his fields and every bit of work that he does has meaning to him because these crops are going to feed him, his family, and the community that he cares about. He will trade these crops for items that other members of his community have created. Every does a job which feels meaningful because they are creating products which directly help themselves and the people they care about.

Modern work isn't like that though, you work for gigantic corporations, your labor has no meaning to you, and you only do it for the money so you can buy products that other people who you don't know created in their jobs that they also hate.

It's not right. I will starve in the streets before I get a job.

>>9771071
the money is a placeholder for stuff you want, and it's arguably more immoral to not work at all for the food you eat and the place you sleep.

>>9771091
I think I see where he's coming from. You shouldn't live like a slave as your only option to live. I'm not saying you should be entitled to free stuff, but you shouldn't need to work for it either. At least not basic essentials like food and shelter. Want a video game? You should work for it. Want fresh water? Well either work your ass off most of your life or die in a gutter.

>>9771121
>>9771071
>>9771091
read some political science please thanks bye

>>9771132
what did that have to do with anything, dipshit?

>>9771091

>the money is a placeholder for stuff you want

The work itself is the problem though. It's different to work to make the things you want and to work so you can buy the things you want.

The work itself is invigorating to the first person because he can see that if he works hard and diligently then it improves the quality of the item that he enjoys creating, but for the second person the labor is just an obstacle that he has to push through to get the money. He doesn't care about his work, he just wants the cash. He'll push through it, hate every moment, and get his money at the end. The moment when he gets the money might be enjoyable, but he lost so many hours of his life doing something he despised in exchange for it.

Work should be important to you not because of the reward but because you are passionate about doing the work.

>>9771140
everything, please don't get angry child

>>9771158
please be nice

>>9771158
so do enlighten us as to how his majesty the political science major (no wonder you're here) would describe the act of working for money?

>>9771151
That's a nice philosophy, but it just can't work. Who's going to make houses, and clean sewers, and replace the lights in telephone towers? There are millions of jobs that either indirectly give people things they want or only serve to support things people want.

>>9771168
I never majored in anything I just read a lot. My opinion is irrelevant it's just embarrassing watching people fumble around with these concepts like middle schoolers instead of reading people who are so intelligent (autistic?) that they have extensively analyzed the entire subject.

>>9771132
>read some political science
How would that help >>9771071 cope with the feeling that work has become meaningless and unfulfilling? That's not a simple error in facts that can be rectified with a cursory understanding of a very mushy "science."

>>9771121
>At least not basic essentials like food and shelter.
Your stance is very extreme. My grief is that the current western work life is completely tailored for people who need a lot of money. It's all or nothing and it kind of forces you to pursue the family dream. I could work but where's the option to work as much as I really need? 800-1000€ per month would be enough for me.

>>9771181
He would have an understanding of why it came to be like this.

How many of you NEETs would be open to starting a farming cooperative/commune/monastery type of deal? I'm sure most of us don't have the savings to buy the land alone but there must be at least a few of us (like... say, me) who are intimately acquainted with the minutia of farming, handy work, and general /diy/-related off-the-grid skills. If we pooled our cash, we could all have the lifestyle without responsibility you love while I would finally get the precious land I so desperately want. You guys need a leader like me, a shepherd who feeds and befriends you without wanting you to change your ways.

>>9771179
we're posting on 4chan, not writing essays. and really this has nothing to do with political science, the guy says he doesn't want to work because he finds it diminishing (read: it's his opinion) and i've said that money is ultimately going to be spent on things that make you happy so it's a fair trade.

>>9771176
Robots will do it.

I like to think it's pretty much impossible for my parents to kick me out. No connections, no work experience, no car.

Well, they can kick me out, but it would not be beneficial in anyway. At least I have the internet to look up jobs on Craigslist while I NEET it up.

>>9771176

All of that is true, the comforts of the world that we live in would not be available to us if work didn't exist in the form that it exists today, but as individuals we have the option to reject these comforts and escape to a simpler life if we want to.

Personally I've been planning to live off the grid for years. I value the freedom of the lifestyle that I have now more than I value the comfort that comes with the modern world and when the day comes that I will have to pick between the two then I'm heading out.

Ideally I will be able to have a cabin in a very isolated and forested area, similar to how Richard Proenneke lived, but if I run out of time and I'm unable to learn all of the skills that I need to be able to realistically survive that way then I would also be happy with relocating to a Buddhist monastery in this country or a foreign country.

>>9771203
Which is irrelevant

>>9771071
Marx wrote about this and called it the alienation of labor. Ah, modernism.

The Japanese had a solution to this that worked for a while. They encouraged workers to identify with their company. It's something they really believed in, that your company did great work and you contributed meaningfully to your company.

But that started to fall apart, I think.

>>9771218
You sound pretty sure.

I'm fully capable of working. I just don't want to and feign mental illnesses. I'm the real winner among truNEETs.

>>9771213
But how will you distract yourself? The only thing you can do is work for yourself, which is an all-day job, but there's no fun to be had.
Don't give me any shit about playing with sticks or single-player chess. Going to steal manga or something?

>>9771204

Would 100 grand be enough to setup a NEET commune for /jp/?

When my mother dies then I will inherit 100,000 dollars, possibly a few thousand more.

i don't mind working so much. i have a part time job right now. it's perfect because i can do it at my own pace and i don't have to associate with other people. that's the real issue. there are hardly any jobs for people without education where you can work alone. plus just the act of acquiring a job from scratch is something i don't think i'm capable of. the job i have now and all my past jobs were offered to me by family members so it was a sure thing. if i have to go in and make and impression on someone in order to get hired it's just not happening.

>>9771203
Do you honestly think that matters at all? Understanding something isn't the same as being emotionally content with it. If a doctor tells you that you've been infected by the Ebola virus, you may understand what's going to happen to your body but I doubt you're going to be content with it.

I might need to work soon. My computer is too old to run most newer games. I have a Planetside 2 beta account, and can't even play ;_;

>>9770975
Actually.

I was really dedicated and kept saying that I would kill myself if I was kicked out. Then I got kicked out and found a job. So much for dedication. If internet wasn't a thing, I would definitely go join a monastery.

>>9771158
Please ignore this faggot, everyone.
Some political bullshit doesn't belong here.

>>9771071
Hey look it's the internetal monologue of every /jp/er

>>9771274
Get out of /jp/.

>>9771270
Shit. Meant to quote: >>9770979

>>9771280
Right. When I was on the other side, I was the same as you. Just wait until your support crumbles.

>>9771290
Unlike you I have the decency to get out of /jp/ if I ever get a job. I

>>9771300
You won't. You think you change as a person if you get a job? Not at all. It just means that you hate your life much more, despite the alleviation of guilt and the constant fear of being kicked out. If anything, /jp/ becomes even more special.

>>9771249
Are you serious?! That would buy a big-ass parcel in Northern Ontario with cash to spare for other things. My only question is why. Why Anon? What reason could you possibly have to want to share that money with other NEETs instead of keeping it all to yourself?

>>9771071
Yet you would never do farm work. Even if you were presented with the opportunity to do meaningful respectable work you wouldn't take it because you simply don't want to work. You want to leech off others and live life in a child like state where you have no worries in the world.

It's understandable, but don't make up excuses for why you don't want to work, like the indignity of the modern capitalist system or some other ideology that you're just co-opting to justify your life style.

>>9771242

>But how will you distract yourself?

There would be no need to distract myself. I'm sure that everyone doesn't feel this way, otherwise they would all have just left to live in monasteries and communes, but I love nature. Just being able to sit down and look at all of the life in a forest is an amazing joy to me, it's incredibly beautiful. You can spend hours just looking at a little area of dirt on the ground and it's really a form of entertainment because you will see new things happening constantly, new animals crawling around, and just life every where. If you slow down and look at something in nature very closely then you will notice so many details that you never noticed or paid attention to before.

I would also continue to practice Buddhism in either path that I take and that's very satisfying to me, I've found that it also makes life in general much more satisfying because it teaches you how to appreciate the simple things.

The problem with the world we live in is that we're very overstimulated. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the internet a lot and I love the opportunities for free learning and fun that comes with it, but we are constantly being bombarded with stimulation. It makes it difficult to slow down and enjoy the simple things in life because we grow accustomed to a very fast-paced life with a lot of instant gratification. It's kind of like the motion blur that you see if you're speeding down the road and try to look out the window, you're enjoying the excitement of going at such a fast speed but you can't appreciate all of the beauty that is around you because you're going so fast that it just blurs together into one big blob of color.

>>9771306
This is a fantastic question. I really want to hear what that anon will say.

>>9771290
Not everyone is like you OR can become like you

For example, in japan, china (and all around the world) there are neets who killed themselves or the people they loved.

If I every get kicked out (because I could not find a job after HS) then I am lost forever. I am a big fat pussy guys...

>>9771313
I'll be too busy posting on /v/ and /soc/ about having feels and no gfs to be on /jp/. Then when I'm not doing that I'm either sleeping, eating or working.

>>9771315
I know, I know
But that's so boring!
If I go even a day without laughing at something I'd go ballistic.
I know I should give that up and reach the state of the Buddha, but, entertainment is like crack man.

>>9771314
>You want to leech off others and live life in a child like state where you have no worries in the world.
Show me just one person, who would not do this if he/she could do it and have fun and freedom for the rest of their lives (with the same freedom a working adult would have on a free day)

>>9771319
>If I every get kicked out (because I could not find a job after HS) then I am lost forever
Like I said, just wait until the moment hits. You can't accurately emulate your true reaction until it is manifested in reality. You will get scared, and your survival instincts will activate. Maybe you'll kill yourself, but probably not. I wish I had the willpower to go to Gensokyo, but I don't, and it's very upsetting.

>>9771324
That's assuming that every person who works is a normal. If your parents cut off funding, and the government doesn't want to support you, it's die on the streets or go find a job. Alternatively, as a side-route, join a monastery. No internet there, though.

>>9771325
I said it's understandable, everyone longs to be children again but most people have dignity to actually grow up one day. But NEETs always make up bullshit excuses for why they don't want to work rather than out right saying they don't because they can leech and that they're lazy.

For anyone interested in discussing the NEET commune, I made a dedicated thread here: >>9771297

Wow.. NEETs are such sad people! Working at the factory is stressful and sometimes very very hot but it can be enjoyable too! With lots of Russian folk music you can have the feel of working for the Motherland! It will give you hope and empowerment! Then your sad goes away!

I can't understand being happy without work any way.. Had 5 days of in a row last week and I got so bored! Don't know how I made it during that 2 years of unemployment!

>>9771306

>What reason could you possibly have to want to share that money with other NEETs instead of keeping it all to yourself?

I would just love to live on a commune and it would be great to live there with like-minded people. If we all worked together and helped each other then we could have more time to relax.

If I kept the money for myself then I would still do the same thing, but I would be alone and surviving like that would be pretty difficult. Either way I dream of living that way, it just makes more sense to bring friends along and make a commune.

Anybody want to form a suicide pact?

>>9771328
You are right. I do not wish to have willpower to leave this world.

>>9771336
Fine, grow up if you want, but don't come to /jp/ and expect everyone else to do the same. There are plenty of other boards for people who grew up. In fact, this is the only one that doesn't have those kinds of people. Why do you insist on coming here and picking on us?

>>9771342
offline meeting where?

>>9771342
Are you in Toronto?

>>9771347
I'm not picking on you, I'm just asking you to be honest. Maybe that's too much to ask though.

>>9771357
I am being honest. You're just a bully and trying to guilt trip everyone into living like you're living.

>>9771351
Yes, want to commit suicide together?

>>9771370
Yes.

>>9771340
Well Anon, I'm naturally a bit skeptical given the sheer amount of that money. You should keep most of it for yourself and only chip in an amount more in line with what everyone else will pay. I've made a thread dedicated to this if you're interested:

>>9771297

>>9771266
Civilization is all about using your understanding to make things better. I dare to say that rejecting to learn is always destructive and childish. No world view is sacred enough to deserve special safekeeping. If it's good, it withstands.

>>9771325
>Show me just one person, who would not do this if he/she could do it and have fun and freedom for the rest of their lives
I'll answer you with an image and a link.
http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannokset/1999/en19990731.pdf
See section 19. The unemployment rate of Finland is currently less than ten. Yes, healthy people can officially leech off the system. It's just wrong so people don't do it.

>>9771372
Where would you like to meet up?

>>9771364
You're dishonest about your reasoning for being a NEET. I'm more probably more NEET than you, but I don't try to hide behind an ideology that I only use to justify my exploitation of those around me and don't delude myself into believing that NEET is a noble life style.

>>9771376
Right now? Where do you live? I'm in North York, Yonge/Sheppard.

>>9771336
>I said it's understandable, everyone longs to be children again but most people have dignity to actually grow up one day. But NEETs always make up bullshit excuses for why they don't want to work rather than out right saying they don't because they can leech and that they're lazy.
What do you think "growing up" is? "Being mature" would just be rephrasing it. So what is it? Is it getting a job? Plenty of teenagers have jobs so that's not necessarily reaching maturity.

People make bullshit excuses all the time about why they aren't doing something, why they're continuing to do something despite not being happy, why they won't break out of habits that they believe hold them back. Bullshit excuses aren't restricted to NEETs or people that haven't yet "grown up" since these types of justifications are human, thus ubiquitous.

>>9771347
>>9771357
Sorry to interupt, but I have to say something to this discussion:
We are honest. We speak the truth.
These are the feelings of many people here and most of them agree in this topic.
If anyone can not understand it, the why should it be our fault?
Money is a big thing, but there really are people who don't want it. If someone gave me a clean toilet, a working pc with internet, a bed to sleep and some food, I would be the happiest person on this planet. Just give me a little room where I can put all these things, with a window where I could see a small forest or some nice landscape. That would be all. No friends, no people, nothing. Just these few things and this would be my live. At the moment I have all these things and I don't need more. I don't want more. I lived the last 3 years like this (student, my grades are not that bad actually). Next year all this will be over... I have to get a job.

>>9771379
I don't care about nobility. In one thousand years, nobody will care or remember my existence. Why should I concern myself with such trivial matters? I live for myself, in the moment. It's the best life anybody could ask for. If you want to live by someone else's standards, go ahead.

These threads are great intellectual nourishment. Such a trite subject, but you guys take it so in-depth.

>>9771396
>Such a trite subject
What gives you that idea? As far as modern society is concerned, this is the very basis of our survival. It's only natural for this to be brought up over and over again, as many are desperate.

>>9771396
>Such a trite subject
You're wrong as HELL. This stuff causes wars and moves nations.

>>9771381
You are really far. I changed my mind.

>>9771402

>>9771402
you fu*cking faggot

>>9771402
Liar. You never intended to meet up in the first place.

>>9771388
>What do you think "growing up" is? "Being mature" would just be rephrasing it. So what is it? Is it getting a job? Plenty of teenagers have jobs so that's not necessarily reaching maturity.
It's not leeching off of others.


>People make bullshit excuses all the time about why they aren't doing something, why they're continuing to do something despite not being happy, why they won't break out of habits that they believe hold them back. Bullshit excuses aren't restricted to NEETs or people that haven't yet "grown up" since these types of justifications are human, thus ubiquitous.
I never said bullshit excuses were exclusive to NEETs.

>>9771404
Sorry about that outlash. I was actually getting ready to go out and everything. I thought we could meet and discuss the details first in public just so you know that I'm legitimate and everything. That's really upsetting though, honestly. When you replied the first time, I felt this overwhelming inspiration flowing through my body. Haven't felt that way in a while.

Please reconsider.

>>9771374
Germany has this too, but that doesn't make it better. After a while they will offer you a job where you work for like 1€ per hour and say if you don't do it, they won't give you anything anymore. That all would be.... "ok" .... if the workplace would not be like 50kilmetres away and you have to pay a bus or something to get there. You pay for going to work... sadly that's true, because my last two friends already do this.

Why do you guys always tell "normal"people being NEET is so much better than working a depressing job etc
but you guys are the ones killing yourselves?

>>9771415
You can kill yourself with me if you come to Michigan, anon.

>>9771408
>>9771404
>>9771407
Why are there 3 people bullying me if I was only talking to one person?

>>9771400
>>9771401
I say it's trite, because nothing concrete is ever produced as a result of these discussions. As a pragmatic sort of person, I can't help but feel that way.

>>9771421
No, that's DEFINITELY too far. I'm not joking or anything. I want it to be local. I'm grateful that Toronto is a big city so there's a bigger chance of me eventually finding someone who wants to form a real suicide pact. I'll find someone eventually. Thank you for the offer, though.

>>9771428
We were cheering you two on from the shadows.

>>9771428
Because I observed something stupid.

>>9771430
Are you that homo in the other thread that keeps saying that nobody does psychedelics in communes

>>9771437
How do you want to kill yourself? The method?

>>9771444
Hey, just because I used the same word doesn't mean I'm the same person!

>>9771425

The NEETs who want to kill themselves are usually people who can no longer be NEETs anymore.

If you've lived in heaven for your whole life and suddenly you're being thrown down to hell then wouldn't you rather kill yourself than suffer that fate? It's the same idea.

>>9771416
>After a while they will offer you a job where you work for like 1€ per hour and say if you don't do it, they won't give you anything anymore.
There's a difference. You can leech practically forever in Finland. Sure, you'll have to look for jobs and you'll get a lot of horse crap but the payments never cease unless you make the wrong moves. If I've understood right, Sweden and Norway have equally lenient systems but Germany doesn't.

>>9771447
Oops!

>>9771415
Not that anon, but just chiming in--the TTC is your best bet. That or there's a bridge going across the DVP from Overlea to Pape (Millwood is the street I believe) that's pretty high up and has a good shot into the highway.

>>9771451
Blame the Turks.

>>9771455
I came really close to doing it in the TTC. One particular instance I remember walking out in the cold without proper attire, ready to do it, while my mind was having a very intense debate. Looked down at the tracks, tried to somehow materialize it, but eventually failed to make the move. That was the closest I have come. Something inside me still wants to live, I suppose. It's very, very weak though. Insignificant.

>>9771458
To be honest, I think the Finnish system is an obsolete piece of shit and it needs to be changed. It's a huge motivational disaster for introverted young people. This place is just so wealthy that it's not worth it to start working. It sounds completely absurd and that's what it is.

>>9771451
Before you get me wrong: I want a job and I am already writing to companys.

But see - germany - it is really hard. The only bad excuse I have for not doing every job is that I don't want to work for 5,50€ per hour. This has no future. Just three more and I would do it... sadly. My job is my hobby and it's what I love and do with love...

>>9771414
>It's not leeching off of others.
Do you mean financially? If so, are housewives or husbands necessarily immature? Do you regress in maturity if you ask someone for help?

"Leeching" (and taking advantage of others generally) is inherent to human activity. Asking favors, wanting things from others, trying to get by with doing as little as possible; these are all true of people who aren't financially dependent on others too.

Since we're relying on our perceptions and misperceptions of people and of "normality" to arbitrate what this standard of maturity is and apply it to others' situations, the standard for maturity isn't immutable. For example, if the financial collapse was so awful that unemployment had gone up to 50% or more, being financially dependent on someone would matter much less (if it mattered at all) in judging someone's maturity.

A person who isn't leeching off of others but complains about everything might be considered immature, but that type of person isn't included in the criterion you provided.

>>9771477
and to add something I forgot: Even three euros more would be low pay...

>>9771463
People used to jump from the bridge at Bloor/Danforth (Bloor Viaduct, I think it's called) before they put of those suicide barriers. I used to go to school in the area and some of my classmates would watch people jump when they went out for lunch.

Kind of fucked up, really...

Anyway, I think it's a sign if you can't bring yourself to do it. The fact that this city is working against you in some ways (except for that Millwood bridge) I think is sort of reinforcing that.

>>9771477
It's like that here too. No one bothers to work for less than 10€/h because it would be stupid. Any amount of work would cancel the benefits. The problem is that people don't gain experience. Companies only hire full-time professionals but where do they come from? It's all or nothing.

>>9771511
$13/hr? The hell, that's a lot of money.

>>9771496
>some of my classmates would watch people jump when they went out for lunch
That's really interesting. And messed up. I might have tried to help those people if it were me. Weird how I've never heard of this before. I suppose nobody ever talks about suicide deaths. The only things that are important are sensationalist shootings. Societal pressures and an inherently screwed up system leading to stress to the point where people end their lives? Not important.

Will look into the Millwood bridge now, thanks.

>>9771511
10€ a hour would be really nice. You are right, companys wnat people that are 18 years old and have 20 years of experience in the job...

>>9771530
It's what you get for flipping burgers around here. Still, it's so little that few bother to do it. You get 800€/month for sitting on your ass anyway.

>>9771546
But only for some time, the day will come where they offer you a job that is absolutely absurd and you have to do it or get nothing anymore.

>>9771539
Got an email you're willing to post?

>>9771553
Are you talking about Finland? If you're over 25 and skilled at playing the system it's not too hard to avoid those.

>>9771561
I was talking about germany.

>>9771556
Okay. It's in the field.

>>9771564
Oh, alright. It sometimes feels like someone wants to destroy the whole system in one go because nothing is done. The benefit trap is a disaster - working should always be beneficial.

>>9771381
>tfw you'll never be a rich Korean kid living in Yonge/Sheppard who wants to commit suicide, even ought your parents gave you everything in life.

>>9771583
I don't actually live at Yonge/Sheppard. I live maybe an hour worth of walking away. I just say that because I grew up relatively close to that area, and I like being around there. That's where I meet up anybody if I need to for any reason. I really don't like the area that I live in right now. Not Korean either.

>>9771578
True.

>>9771591
Do you live in the slums surrounding Yonge and Sheppard? I heard there are projects around there ...

>>9771583
Who is he quoting?

>>9771571
Sent an email. Subject: "/jp/"
Probably ended up in the spam folder.

I've had an online friend for 6 years. We discussed anime, manga and VNs together. We played video games. We would talk on IM every day for multiple hours. He had lots of free time because he dropped out of college. Recently he got a job and a girlfriend, so he stopped talking to me.

A few days ago, after weeks of silence he asked what brand of headphones I had. He also said "hi" before asking, as if I was some distant normalfag acquaintance. You don't just "hi" someone you have over 15 MB of chat logs with.

What a disgusting motherfucker.

I'll go and become a stalker in Russia.
I've been told that's as close to the real thing as it gets.

>>9771615
15 MB worth of text would equate to approximately 4 million words. Just FYI.

>>9771615
i know that feeling
my friends are becoming too normal
never see them online anymore now that they have jobs

>>9771615
>>9771636
It's the exact opposite for me. I still go to school but my 3 best friends are all NEETs.

>>9771646
>3 best friends are all NEETs.
That's a record; it depends how long they have been NEETs for.

>>9771615
I had an online friend who wouldn't stop talking/complaining about his fucking girlfriend.

With the amount of whiny shit he keeps telling me I'm surprised he isn't a stupid girl himself. I don't want to ever hear about your fucking girlfriends.

>>9771656
I wished I had an online friend; hadn't had on in years.

>>9771681
Stop trying to make friends, creep.

I'd probably do monastery. Society is no place for someone like me.

That being said, I don't think monasteries just take random people who show up. Maybe they would in the old days but not now.

>>9771702
Once, I tried emailing a local zen center if they take people who's going to live in the monastery; they said it depends, and you have to play a "living expense" depending on your income to live there ;__;

use old connections to gamble my organs away

either i win and all is well or i die in a bathtub with my guts hanging out

>>9771615
I have 200mb of logs with someone I have known for 6 and a half years and we always say "hi" first.

>>9771707

What country do you live in? Monasteries are free to join in any of the countries where Buddhism is practiced properly and it's not just some weird tourist attraction in Thailand or some American money making scheme.

>>9771707
How do you think Christian monasteries are?

Do you think any monastery would be more likely to take you if you showed up looking messed up with a sob story?

>>9771710
That sounds interesting. Who would I have to talk to to play russian roulette for cash?

My online friend turned out to be a normalfag. He did drugs all his life as a normalfag and had a crash and turned into a sort-of NEET. I don't really mind though, I'm sort of past that requirement for friendship.

>>9771733
It's not the person you were in the past that matters but the person you are today. You should enjoy him for what he is now.

>>9771736
No, I mean he IS a normalfag. He goes to collage and has friends and generally acts "that way", and he progressively gets worse. What can you do.

>>9771747
I too have lost many a good internet friend to a normal life. They'll just sign in to messenger less and less as they begin using facebook for chat instead until they just fade away.

>>9771756
What's "that way"?

>>9771756
Normaldom is like some sort of sickening darkness that just overwhelms a man. It plays on their desires and drags them down into the void. It's such a shame. Perhaps one day we will develop a method to tell the difference between a truNEET and a fake NEET.

>>9771760
Shit man, I don't know.

>>9771765
Do you think people have to dislike 3D girls to be a truNEET? I think if they like idols or something then they will eventually be consumed for their desire for that and become a normal, making them a falsNEET from the start.

>>9771768
It's probably okay if you only watch from afar.

We must consult the truNEET tribunal.

>>9771768
Of course disliking 3D is a requirement, that one's one of the basics.

When I am being kicked out, I'll either apply directly to a university or then live from government welfare.

>>9771425
Because NEET > work.
I want to kill myself while I am working, it is actually that depressing. 4more days till I am NEET. Freedom, no more alarm clock and enjoying my lifetime 24/7 here I come.

If I had to choose, I'd choose take it easy over not having a job. They might sound similar, since the best way to take it easy is by not having a job, but I'd much rather get an easygoing job where I can slack of all day than join a monastery where some faggot abbot will tell me what to do all day just so I can say I'm technically not in employment.

you know the only time i've been happy is in my bed at 1am playing genderbender eroge. if i could erase everything else i would.

unfortunately circumstance dictates i can't so i have to uphold the semblance of a life outside of it.

I'd rather be a hermit and search for my enlightenment my way than become a monk.

Unfortunately being a hermit means no one will help me by giving me food or a place to stay. I read somewhere that they used to in India but they probably don't do that any more and even if they did, they probably wouldn't help some random asshole from another country.

Hard choice to make...

>>9771071
This.

The world should be like Tazmily village in Mother 3.

Don't you find it funny that as larger amounts of people live in a smaller area, they start caring less and less about the people around them? Get as big most major cities today and things like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

Become the norm. Work is no longer meaningful as well, like you said.

Truneet doesn't live with his parents.

Move to Greece and help create the pure nation.

>>9771212
In a perfect world, where resources were spent on improving human quality of life, they would. Instead people spend resources on more creative ways to kill each other.

http://www.thrivenotes.com/the-last-question/

>>9771373
$100,000 is not that much in the west, but it could get him far if he went somewhere like SE Asia, for example.

>>9771071
Honestly, I just don't like the ridiculous amount of requirements that most jobs have. I'd be happy to do some mindless job if they would just let me have it. But no, I need to have already been doing it for 5 years and have a college degree in doing it. Can't I be decent at something without having a degree in doing it? Can't I just learn there so I can make my experience?

Yeah I understand why complicated jobs might have that requirement but low to mid tier jobs shouldn't.

I know I'm just mad that I'm not good at academics.

>>9772010

>Greek
>Pure

You can't clean shit and you can't clean shit-skins either.

>>9771451
>You will never be born in Scandinavia and get to live the dream forever, while living in a beautiful, cold country.

It sucks, being on the wrong side of the Atlantic. Being born in Scandinavia is pretty much like winning at life right from the beginning.

>>9772037
Normies see them as white, and since they're a third world country there's a good chance if they get their nationalist party to run the country, nobody will try to stop it. If they then succeed, it's grounds for actual whites nations to follow suit.

Support the greasy fucks so we can all come out on top.

>>9772043
Already happening in Spain, GD is opening a branch to help the Spaniards get their country back together.

>>9771756
It's sad how many people I know who used to be into these hobbies during my HS years, became completely normalized after going away to college. It's also sad they stop using messenger and Steam to chat, and use Facebook instead. They also dropped the hobbies in favor of a girlfriend.

>>9772040
And that's exactly why I'd like to do shit that actually benefits the world. I will keep educating myself until I die.

I wanted to volunteer and help refurbish a monastery in the Czech Republic, but I didn't have enough money.

That's right: you have to pay to help out for free in a foreign country.

>>9772048
I don't see why you would have to drop a hobby for a girlfriend though. Especially hobbies that aren't even that time consuming.

>>9772059
Females are experts at convincing you that you're a manchild if you have any hobbies beyond giving her attention 24/7.

>>9772059
They got a girlfriend because they got tired of their hobbies.

>>9772058
Well I'm sure paying for plane tickets for a bunch of people would be expensive.

Do you ever feel loneliness as a NEET?

>>9772048
>>9772059
>>9772063
>>9772065
This is why normalfags are retarded.
They gave up things that they enjoy to have experienced misery like pmsing girlfriend that leeches off you and a boring 9-5job.

>>9772072
>They gave up things that they enjoy
Oh, come on.

>>9772069
no lol

>>9772067
It wasn't even just the plane tickets. You also had to pay "admin" fees. Apparently it costs £100 for someone to delete something from their online database. And it would be nice if some trust or government organisation could pay for part of the cost, but nope.

>>9772048
>also sad they stop using messenger and Steam

as if those are any better. especially steam, which is a social networking service with some gaming features.

>>9772072
Makes me glad I had one before finding my hobbies and seeing how much bullshit having a girlfriend was.

Never again, No whore will come between me and my computer ever again.

>>9772069

>I think I'm gonna be ALLLLRIIIGHT
>If I can make it THROUGH THIS NIGHT
>I'm gonna pretend she's still with me, close my eyes, her face I'll see.
>I know it's make believe, but it's the only hope for me.
-Thad's lonesome deep voice echoing through the prison halls as he thinks of love and sings a song of sorrow.

I think I'm going to become a prostitute. Guess I have to cut back on the snacks since I don't think I'd get any traffic unless I either get skinnier or tubbed up and became a BBW

sure I'll end up a shameful burned out whore getting pounded by ugly bald guys every night but at least i won't have to get a 9/5

>>9772072
The worst are things like games and cartoons. I remember speaking to people and they would say, "Oh, I wish I could play Pokémon again," or, "Remember Animaniacs? I miss watching that."
Just do it, you stupid people. It's not that they don't know how, it's that they're afraid of putting effort into something other people might look down on, even when there's nobody actually around. They're living their own private lives and dictating what hobbies they are allowed to have by other people's standards.

Fuck you, people.

>>9772069
Why would you feel lonely when you are one?
As a NEET you will have all the free time in the world that you want to socialize or go out to have fun.

>>9772076
9-5job, get off work, meet up with gf, go home to have sex and sleep.
Where would you find time to enjoy your hobbies?

>>9772082
btw i am a gril

>>9772069
I'm partly schizoid, meaning I'm able to handle solitude pretty well. Too bad my mind's a mess in multiple other ways, so I can't really put my free time to good use and usually end up drinking my boredom away.

>>9772085
You're just mad you can't sell your body as easily.

>>9772086
King edgy

>>9772082
Do it. Seriously, it's one of the easiest jobs in the world, and you can get paid a lot of money for it. People might look down on you, but it's no different to an insurance scam--99% of people would be in on it if they knew they could get away with it.
It amazes me how stupid some normal men are.

>>9772069

Why would I be?

>>9772088
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>9772086
>partly schizoid

What does this even mean? "Shy"?

>>9772069
Dunno. I seem to have a knack for being alone. I can't even try to make a tulpa because I'm so good at being alone.

It's a gift and a curse.

>>9772087
Are you even cute?

>>9772088

Don't abuse buzzwords, ``please''!

>>9772072
What about those "such a nerd" types? They would like anything if it helps them fit in.

>>9772069
Why be lonely when I have /jp/ with me?

>>9772083
This, too many people end up caving in to social pressure, and stop enjoying what they used to like. Then they spend their free time doing pointless, joyless activities like checking facebook or watching TV.

>>9772079
Meh. I see myself more of a NEET like the protagonist of the novel 'Welcome to the NHK', it's not that I enjoy my time on the pc all that much, it`s just that a 9-5 job and a gf require too much work, effort and dedication compared to the benefits they give.

I'd love to have an easy going small minded NEETish gf but honestly any girl like that is either fat, lacks basic hygeine or mildly autistic. Possibly a combination of all three, since every decent girl can get by easily by mooching off some gullible idiot.

>>9772100

Because dakimakura, anime/manga, collecting figures, buying onaholes, etc. isn't considered "normal" enough, I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon.
Video games are a lot more socially acceptable today than they were a decade ago.

>>9772100
I dont know about you but I find them even more vomit inducing compare to normalfags. They have no sense of shame. I am talking about those people that act retarded and act as if they are having fun in public.You know that dude that is always getting spammed here and those fucking confags. They are definitely the bottom of the bunch. At least normalfags do not try to push their obsessive hobbies to everyone else.

>>9772069

I haven't felt loneliness since I became a shaman.

None of us can ever be alone because all living things are bound together. We are one. It's hard to feel the unity in this world, but that's why the shaman is someone who walks in two worlds. In the other realm you can see the connection which binds us all together.

>>9772108
CRAZY wwww

Why don't more NEETs become psychonauts?

Any of you nerds want to chat on omegle?

>>9772085
not so sure how that would work then, will the customers have to bring their own meat?

>>9772106

>I am talking about those people that act retarded and act as if they are having fun in public.
Maybe they actually are enjoying themselves? It seems like a whole lot more fun than patrolling the internet and forcing their opinions onto someone... like you're doing right now.

>At least normalfags do not try to push their obsessive hobbies to everyone else.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

>>9772093
It means I have a mixed personality disorder, and display many schizoid traits, but also traits from other PDs so they couldn't give me a clear diagnosis.

>>9772117
As long as you aren't some kind of venting whiny emo retard, sure.

>>9772118
Forcing what?
If you enjoy singing bakabaka while hugging your cartoon pillow, go ahead man. I am not stopping you.

I definitely met more obsessive otacool type compare to normalfags that try to force you to go clubbing or get you to catch some football games.

>>9772122
it truly is impossible. too many feels to be had in this thread

>>9772123

You're right about the ``forcing opinion'' part. I didn't feel right about that statement, but didn't feel like erasing it either. I'd like to apologize and take that statement back, if it's okay with you.

>>9771396
>These threads are great intellectual nourishment.

Why are there so many people on /jp/ at this time? Don't tell me you're all Euros.

>>9772103
Having a NEET girlfriend isn't as nice as you think it would be. That ex girlfriend of mine was one of those. A bit on the chubby side but still managed to be cute. She had a horrible self image problem and would take hours preparing herself just to go to the store with me to buy some snacks and it was pretty annoying. She was also kind of dumb and naive too despite being older than me by 4 years. She let some dude on the internet talk her into breaking up with me.

I should have thanked that guy.

51% of Americans said they would rather have more time than money.
Dr. William Dement, the director of Stanford University's Sleep Center, says that "most Americans no longer know what it feels like to be fully alert."
Sleep experts assert that American society suffers from an epidemic of sleep deprivation.
One of the top five regrets of the dying is "I wish I hadn't worked so hard."
Technology has made work even more pervasive. Peter C. Whybrow: "Citizens find themselves tethered to their jobs around the clock by the same nomadic tools--cell phones, pagers, wireless e-mail--that were heralded first as instruments of liberation."
Prozac is one of the most prescribed drugs in America.
And, to top it all of, money won't even make you happy. You get rich, you get used to it. David G. Myers: "Thanks to our capacity to adapt to ever greater fame and fortune, yesterday’s luxuries can soon become today’s necessities and tomorrow’s relics."
Even winning the lottery won't make you happy for long, thanks to the hedonic treadmill. "Lottery winners and accident victims: is happiness relative?" was a ground-breaking study that found that "lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events."
After the poverty line, richer countries aren't significantly happier than poorer countries.

Stay NEET, /jp/.

>>9772131
I'd like a girlfriend like Chihaya, we could both stand around and be insecure together.

>>9772128

So what if I am?
You gonna bully me about it?

>>9772106
>>9772118
I agree with both of you. I'd love to be some student who wears a fedora and sunglasses indoors and parrots catchphrases from 90s cartoons. It must be great to be so ignorant, and I bet they enjoy all the attention they get. Hell, there's probably a link with narcissistic personality disorder, and these people just don't register criticism and take it easy. That must feel great.

Unfortunately, I was gifted with some common sense, so I can see these people as the irritating shit heads they really are, and the future that awaits them once they grow up a little and all their epic zaniness wears thin.

>>9772131
>>9772079
How did you get a gf?

Please respond. I use these threads because my parents and school friends think I'm too normal for a shrink.

>>9772128
Asian master race here.
What now? Gonna nuke Japan again?

>>9772146
>>9772129
>>9772122

You're not being very subtle at all. Fuck off, ``please''!

>>9772146
I met mine during a training course for my job.

>>9772153
Why do you put a quote on the word please?

Is it to signal when you're starting to feel a feel creeping on?

What do people find in girlfriends? I mean, I find it hard to think of them as more than a hole to stick your dick in to. That's all that separates them from "normal" friends.

Or is the combination of having a warm hole and a friend of sorts in one package is much more appealing than the sum of its parts?

>>9772146
Don't pay for some asshole to listen to your problems. Just sit quietly and think about your problems and you'll find your own ends and solutions.

>>9772155
I think the primal part of your brain gives you a deeper emotional connection to the meat hole you fuck and talk to.

>>9772153
That feel when a gf was waiting in the last place us NEETS and hikkokomori jpers would ever look.

>>9772155
It's basically a friend you can fuck without being gay.

>>9772084
>9-5job, get off work, meet up with gf, go home to have sex and sleep. Where would you find time to enjoy your hobbies?
You still don't get it, do you?

Let's freshen this thread up for a change of pace.

Everyone. Post what year you were born in.

I'll say mine after you.

>>9772155
That's funny, because I think the opposite. It would be nice to have someone I could interact with verbally and emotionally, and for them to react in "realistic" and sometimes unpredictable ways. Talking to plushies gets old after a bit, because it's like playing chess against yourself.

>>9772112

>Why don't more NEETs become psychonauts?

I think more NEETs would if it wasn't for the difficulty in obtaining the drugs that a shaman/psychonaut/mystic/etc uses to access those different planes of existence.

There's a few legal options, but they're very dangerous in the hands of an inexperienced user or even an experienced user. It's unfortunate that deliriants are the only legal options that I know of and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, especially not someone who is inexperienced with what it feels like to be in an altered state of mind.

If there are any NEETs that are interested in going down a spiritual path with the aid of mind altering substances then I would suggest researching psychedelics and eventually using either using psilocybin mushrooms or mescaline. They're both very good psychedelics for a beginner since you can ease into them and they're also easy to obtain or grow.

It's legal in most places to order the spores for mushrooms, and while this part is illegal it is very easy and affordable to grow them. Mescaline is contained in the San Pedro or Peruvian Torch cacti and you can legally purchase cuttings of either right of off amazon or ebay and follow a simple guide for extracting the mescaline into a drink. It tastes a little foul, but it's a very easy process.

>>9772167
You don't need a girlfriend for that, now, do you? Unless by "emotionally" you meant having sex.

>>9772162
Isn't that exactly what I said? I'm just wondering why people find the concept so appealing.

>>9772166
1885

>>9772164
Get what?
You play touhou, saya no uta and cross channel with your girlfriend?

>>9772168
Can't I do this by just will powering my mind into insanity without outside help?

>>9772171
sex is a human need having sex feels much better than an onahole also you build a relationship with that person that is different than friendship but not anymore valuable

>>9772171
Why not? If you're not a totally narcissistic child you work. If you work, you could as well do something with all that extra money. Remember, in this hypothetical scenario you're not an outcast and hated by everyone.

>Name

>DOB

>Mental disorders

>Eyecolor

>Location

>Have you ever had a gf?

>Does your mom still dress you?

>>9772179
ur mom

>>9772173
People genuinely get tired of Japanese entertainment.

dont your parents ever get sick of supporting your dumb ass

>>9772171
>You don't need a girlfriend for that, now, do you? Unless by "emotionally" you meant having sex.

Ideally, it would be a cute girl because I don't get on well with boys. They used to pick on me and call me names. I would like her to be physically present, because that's more fun. I wouldn't like to have sex (or any sort of contact) with her, because there are other things I would rather do. That's not to say I don't have urges or that some Neanderthal mechanism would trigger in my brain and make me want to fug a 3DPD, but I'd get around that with a nice game of Scrabble, or talking about cakes.

>>9772178
>you're not an outcast and hated by everyone.

Actually, this bring up another question: provided I'm good looking enough and have the social skills to pick up chicks, why would I want to "settle" for a single person?

I mean, I fap to different porn every time, so why would I want to have sex with the same person over and over? That would be boring.

>>9772182
That's weird, because I see old people in nursing homes glued to the television despite using them all their lives.

>>9772182
>get tired of Japanese entertainment
Ah I see. I guess this is what will happen when you dont have enough time to enjoy your hobbies.
I guess I am one of the lucky few that get to enjoy western entertainment, japan entertainment and sports.

>>9772186
There are great benefits to living in a house with 2 adults paying the bills, and a lot of people think that kids are important for some reason. I guess they can pay for your nursing home?

>>9772187
Please explain how it is related to this.

>>9772190
Kids in the olden days would carry on your legacy and inherit your shit. These days yeah, they are just around to pay for your nursing home.

If I learned anything from myself it's that you should always have 2 or more kids in case one of them turns out to be a dud.

seriously don't your parents get sick of paying to support you

>>9772191
The concept that people can get bored of entertainment.

>>9772191
They don't get bored of their "hobbies" despite engaging in them all their life.

>>9772191
I think his analogy was pretty clear.

Plus there's a lot of content. You haven't consumed it all. Even if you did, there is new content being created. This is the same as old people. They might have seen every single film and television show from 1930 to 2012, but there are new ones on every day.

>>9772186
It's possible to treat other people as people, not fuck objects. If you're a hardcore misanthrope it might be difficult to understand.

>>9772069
Sometimes. I kind of want a soft warm thing to hug, but don't have money for a daki.
I feel really bad when I finish a VN, especially one with characters I like. It feels like the characters are abandoning me.
That's why I no longer read VNs.

>>9772186
A lot of people in the ``rationalist'' crowd are polygamous for this reason. Apparently monogamy is some dated concept fuelled by religion, jealousy and sexism.

>I guess they can pay for your nursing home
I am sick of people like you.
I would only have kids if I can provide them with a highly enjoyable NEET lifestyle.
There is no point living if you cant have fun. It is like niggers in africa giving birth to kids that are just gonna starve.

>>9772199
>>9772200
>>9772201
Some people don't get tired of their hobbies. How does this counter the fact that some people do get tired of their hobbies?

>>9772197
Who cares, they don't have a choice.

>>9772205
people don't have kids to let them mooch off them their whole lives

>>9772209
they could just kick you out?

>>9772206
And those people get new hobbies. Nobody just stops looking for entertainment and settles into a life of work and placating a moronic woman.

>>9772206
Then what was the point to begin with?
>People genuinely get tired of Japanese entertainment.

People eat cake. People shoot cats. People climb trees.
Why was this even a response to >>9772173?

Furthermore, when you say "group x does y", it kind of sounds like a generalization. The French eat baguettes, even though not every Frenchman actually eats baguettes.

>>9772214
Not if they don't want a dead kid. It's basically emotional blackmail.

>>9772214
Then they'll never find out where my sister is buried.

>>9772202
Unlike girlfriends, I can have more than one friend, so any needs I might have for human contact are fulfilled by them.

So why would I need a girlfriend if not for sex?

>>9772220
how old are you do you think they are going to support you for another decade

>>9772206
Read >>9772083
I generally believe that people didnt just wake up 1day and decided to suddenly hate their hobbies.
They get induced to believe that playing games and watching cartoons are for kids and there are more cool things to do like smoking weeds, cigarette, consuming alcohol and doing all these so called cool adult things.
Just look at how successful transformers became when Hollywood made it suitable for adult consumption. At the end of the day, they are just a sheep being controlled by what they media tell them to enjoy.
I pity these kind of people.

>>9772215
>Nobody just stops looking for entertainment and settles into a life of work and placating a moronic woman.
Nobody? What about all the families?

>>9772216
>Why was this even a response to >>9772173
Look at this gem:
>This is why normalfags are retarded.
>They gave up things that they enjoy to have experienced misery like pmsing girlfriend that leeches off you and a boring 9-5job.

>>9772226
>They get induced to believe that playing games and watching cartoons are for kids and there are more cool things to do like smoking weeds, cigarette, consuming alcohol and doing all these so called cool adult things.
What about actual adults?

>>9772235
They buy into the the typical "adult lifestyle" of Apple products, corporate slavery, and faux-"maturity", meaning they just do whatever they see other people their age doing, like getting married and and having more children than they can support. That part comes a bit later, though.

>>9772235
Ask your own dad and mom.
What do they do everyday besides working hard supporting you and paying for your education? Do you see them having fun after coming back from work besides watching TV?

>>9772223
>So why would I need a girlfriend if not for sex?
Intimacy, love, emotional support and stability in life?

>>9772240
My mother hasn't worked in years and my father only works when he feels like it, which is most of the time. The government pays for my education.

>>9772175

>Can't I do this by just will powering my mind into insanity without outside help?

You probably could make yourself hallucinate with a combination of willpower and sensory deprivation, but I don't know how far you can push that without drugs and you wouldn't really be doing the same thing as you would be with psychedelics.

The psychedelic experience and my experiences with what I believe to be insanity are very different. Insanity is really a whole different thing because you don't understand what's going on anymore at all, simple things like a phone or a keyboard make absolutely no sense, and vivid hallucination and reality become impossible to tell apart. I experimented with deliriants for awhile and that state of mind is what I believe to be insanity or at least very close to it. For example, each time I had to lock the door to my house in strange ways, usually by wedging a chair or pushing an obstacle in front of it, because when I became delirious I would feel so out of my mind that nothing made any sense, I didn't know where I was, who I was, and if there wasn't that obstacle in the way then I may have attempted to go outside without even knowing that I was doing that. They were terrifying experiences and I didn't feel any spiritual value from it.

Psychedelics are very different though. You don't lose your sanity. You may come to think differently from the things you learn during your journeys, but you will only appear insane to people who just think your view of the world is a bit peculiar. You won't be stark raving mad or anything like that. Even in the most intense psychedelic experiences you will never go insane in that way. You remain clear headed throughout the experience, you don't lose the ability to think rationally.

>>9772243
believe it or not faggot some people enjoy married life. you won't understand since your a basement dweller and have never had a friend. but these people love other human beings and want to start a family

>>9772235
You would be surprised. Before I dropped out, I sometimes went nightclubbing. Unless it was a student night, every club was full of people in their forties made-up to look like they were in their thirties and acting like they were twenty.
This is what these people do. Getting drunk like they did at half their age is the highlight of their life. This is what they have to look forward to.

>>9772250
Haha, what the fuck?

>>9772250
lol butt-blitarated 4 lyfe

>>9772255
they look at people like you and say how can they be happy mooching off their parents living in their parents basement without friends watching Chinese cartoons. You look at them and say how can you be happy working having a family a wife and kids.

>>9772246
Well are they having fun?

Both of my parents are workaholics, they always tell me that they enjoy working and they dont know what to with their free time if they arent working even when I tell them to retire.

http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/9770874/

The janitor is so busy blogging like mad in this thread that he's completely forgotten that he has the rest of the board to moderate. This is hilarious.

Is anyone going to report this to moot?

I'm a fat racist. I will never go ba
ck to society.

>>9772253
Sounds cool, were they hot? Banging a MILF has been a dream of mine for a long time. God damn, why don't I have those clubs you speak of here?

>>9772243
>They buy into the the typical "adult lifestyle" of Apple products, corporate slavery, and faux-"maturity", meaning they just do whatever they see other people their age doing, like getting married and and having more children than they can support.
It's funny because they both hate excessive American consumerism and my mother has always been home with children. My father never missed anything important because of work.

>>9772253
>Unless it was a student night, every club was full of people in their forties made-up to look like they were in their thirties and acting like they were twenty. This is what these people do.
My parents didn't drink at all.

>>9772276

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>>9772247
That's kind of a shame. I feel like using drugs to do it would just cheapen the experience.

Like it's somehow cheating.

>>9772267
>Well are they having fun?
As much as they want. Older people tend to appreciate finer things in life because they've already had their share of "fun".

>>9772276
Which ones are the Janitor's posts? It was just one autists posting those "feels".

>>9772286
Not everyone falls into the stereotype that is being discussed, as has been said many times, we are just talking about the ones that do.

>>9772235
Where is that Lewis Caroll quote about actual adults not caring about the opinions of others, and enjoying the things they used to like as kids?

This thread makes me read a book. Anyone got a recommendation for a NEET point of view book? I already read the novel of Welcome to the NHK and enjoyed it a lot.

>>9772306
>actual adults

That sounds like something you'd read in a try-hard "mature" magazine for "adults".

People never not care about others' perception of them, >not caring about the opinions of others

is just what they want others to think.

>>9772247
Psychedelics can be very intense, and that can scare some people, because while on the trip and towards the end it can feel like you will be tripping forever, and never back to normal. Even then, all it takes is realizing that you just need to wait for the substance to leave your system naturally. Beware HPPD though.

>>9772306
>Where is that Lewis Caroll quote about actual adults not caring about the opinions of others, and enjoying the things they used to like as kids?
Indeed. Things like family life.

>>9772316
>towards the end it can feel like you will be tripping forever, and never back to normal
That would be pretty cool.

>>9772294
Every post he doesn't like.

>>9772311
Notes From the Underground

>>9772320
Did Lewis Caroll enjoy taking photos of naked or half-naked little girls as a child?

3 of m friends visited me, I havent seen them for years, they are now bachelors , have gf, own cars and guns.
They asked why I am not taking their calls and dont respond to theyr emails.
I went to my NEET room with them and explained them why I dropped out of college, never had a gf and why I have schizophrenia.
They was like whut, we were best bros on highschool.
I couldnt keep with that ankward conversation anymore and they leaved.

I cryed that night

I'd like to start by saying that I abhor "fat acceptance" and I've never been on tumblr.

That being said, I'm fat. I'm not fat because of my genetics. I'm not fat because of my thyroid. I'm not fat because of my lack of education regarding healthy food. I'm fat because I choose to eat too much.

I suppose I've always been okay with my weight because I'm intelligent enough in other respects to be taken seriously.

Eating too much has always been a problem for me. I generally eat healthy foods (veggies, fruit, lean meats, etc) but I eat far more than my body needs for maintenance.

Losing weight has always felt more like a moral struggle than a physical one.

I was raised to believe that weighing yourself, counting calories, or focusing on "diet" in any way was deplorable.

This is because my mother was starved as a child.

It didn't help that my very phisically abusive father always said awful things about my mother's weight. Skinny people were

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>>9772313
Tryhard is a word that people use to feel better about their shortcomings.

demonized as I grew up.

When I became a teenager I had many teachers and peers telling me about how evil the media is, how they perpetuate anorexia, how they photoshop every woman, how it's all fake and they're all covered in plastic and how treacherous it all was.

This just sort of perpetuated my negative view of thin people right into adulthood.

There is a very widespread stereotype of the "party" girls who smoke and drink and fuck on weekends. They're called "sluts", and they've also been demonized.

We all know that girls who claim to be "nerds" are also just succubi in disguise.

I suppose my problem is really quite simple. I feel that if I lose weight, I'll be giving in to these evil societal pressures, I'll be no better than those stupid "sluts", I'll be less apt to be taken seriously because I'll be sexualized by men and envied by women (envy breeds contempt, and contempt is far from respect).

That being said, I'd like to be healthy.

Thankfully I'm just big enough to be seen as "not threatening", but not so big as to be an "electric wheelchair" stereotype.

I just don't know what to do.

>>9772328
How would I know which ones those are?

I am a shut-in, and I'm extremely tired of it. I need friends and lovers and a life, but I am terrified and have a lot of strange paralyzing guilt. People who tell me "lol just go outside" or "lol start small" or other ridiculous unhelpful completely predictable, noncommunicative, cliches just make me want to hide more, as they paint a picture of the outside world that is bleak and lacking in honesty.

The loneliness is physically painful at this point. It is stressful and anxiety inducing, causing me to be unable to sleep and become afflicted with panic attacks and headache-inducing tension. I don't know what has always been wrong with me. I need her and calmness and no more responsibilities or guilt or pressure or shame. I need out.

I always wonder "Am I strange?"
Like, to an average person who sees me on the street.

I always wear a bag, so do people see me and think "Why does he always wear a bag?"

I have mid-length curly hair, it never conforms to a normal style so do people see me and think "Why is his hair so messy?"

I became fat over the past year, my friends have left for college again, I hardly go outside, so I sometimes forgets to walk.

I also go to volunteer for work at a small computer shop, where the guys are friendly, but constantly call me fat and shit like that -- not in a mean, bully way, but just banter and it makes me think "What are other people thinking when they see me?"

I have dreams of meeting a girl who has some sort of social problems, as to make me feel comfortable.

>>9772348
No, what you need is a good laugh.

>>9772354
Don't reply to the kopipe shitposting.

I've just finished my first year of university, and I've yet to make a single friend. I mean I still have 1 close high school friend I talk with regularly, but that's pretty much it. I don't know what I'm doing wrong honestly, in school it was just naturally to make new friends but it's so different now in university when I go for a few hours a week to lectures with hundreds of people who all seem to not give a shit about meeting new people.

It's becoming tiresome and lonely not having many people to talk to or having people invite you out when you're in the prime of your life. Do people just find me boring or something?

>>9772355
I'm not a kopipe. Stop shitting up all of our threads with your trolling you double autist.

I've been a NEET for these past 5 months after my graduation in college. I've tried seeking for a job but in the end I fail. In ever interview I always have this result of being called back after a few weeks or month but I know it's a gentle form of rejection. I fucking despise the society on how rotten it became, despite that I've graduated I still feel empty inside, I don't know if I still have a direction in life but I am in the verge of giving it up.

>>9772357
That's what the student organizations are for. Since you're studying something nerdy like mathematics there are probably chess clubs or something similar.

>>9771340
>work together
>work
Please leave falsNEET bully!

>>9772338
>Tryhard is a word that people use to feel better about their shortcomings.
I dont agree with that.
From my experience tryhards are usually the one that end up being friendless.
When I still go to school, I know a guy that is a definition of tryhard. Needless to say, the guy found him creepy, started to avoid him and he started to spread rumors about those girls.
Me, I am just seeing all of them from the side thinking how can people fucked up so badly.

>>9772348
You are just a closet normalfag. People like you dont even deserved to be a NEET, just kill yourself.

Let's talk about our fathers. What is yours like, and what is your relationship like? Share stories.

My father is very quiet and introverted, but he has always busted his ass for the family and is allowing me the financial help to go to my dream university. Had a great time with him this weekend when he came up for a football game; ended up putting back a few beers and I participated with him in his first ever jager-bomb. It was cool to see him relax and interact with him on a more equal footing.

Let me hear your all's stories.

This was a very good thread until this autist started posting his shit.

Thank you for posting, everyone.

tfw bumplimit

My life loses meaning once again.

>>9772316
This is why I don't want to do psychedelics anymore. I know a few people in real life who developed HPPD, and it sounds horrible. It's like messing up your brain forever. No thanks.

>>9772394
>You are just a closet normalfag.
Depends how long he's been NEET I reckon
Maybe he's come to an Anno-esque realization.

>>9772391
He's dumb as a brick. I moved away and life became better.

>>9772397
>This was a very good thread until this autist started posting his shit.

In other words, it was a good thread until the first post?

>>9772411
I dont think there is hope for their kind of people.
They did not chose the NEET way, they became NEET because of their pathetic outlook and behavior. It is not surprising that they are the type that is always crying about >tfw no gf/friends and drugs.

>>9772289

I don't really see it as cheating or cheapening the experience. With psychedelics I see it more as a relationship between myself and the substance that I'm taking.

For example, every day we depend on food from the world that we live in to survive. Fruits, vegetables, and meat from animals if you're not a vegetarian. All life is connected and everything in the world depends on everything else. We're all in this together and psychedelics offer us a gift in the same way that our food gives us the gift of life when we're hungry and we eat.

I think this relationship applies to drugs as well, particularly psychedelics. When I eat the mushroom it gives me a gift to see into another world and I feel a very spiritual between myself and the mushroom.

Sometimes it can seem like we're independent, but no human can ever really be independent and do anything alone since we need help from other living things just to survive each day. In this same way we also need help to access these other planes of existence and psychedelic substances offer this to us.

>>9772432
How about the gift of HPPD that psychdelics often bring with them?

>>9772439

>HPPD

My opinion on this might be a bit controversial, but I don't really see HPPD as a disorder, an illness, or anything of that kind.

This is why I mentioned the path of the shaman and this specific path of spirituality though. I don't believe that psychedelics should be something that are used for fun or used recreationally at all. Anyone who is going to use them should be interested in them for spiritual purposes and should research them fully so that they understand some of the consequences that can come.

HPPD is one of them. I don't see it as a curse though. I developed HPPD, but to me it's a reminder of what I am and the path that I'm walking in life. If psychedelics are used as a form of entertainment though then I would imagine that they see HPPD as very frustrating and annoying and they would want to get rid of it.

Psychedelics or any hallucinogen really just isn't a drug that should be used for fun. At times it can be very enjoyable and very exciting, but most of all they are very spiritual drugs and if they're not interested in that kind of life then it might not be a good idea for them to take these drugs.

>>9772477
I would like peace in my life, but not to develop persisting visual hallucinations. Seems like you can't have one without the other in this world.

>>9772509

>I would like peace in my life

You can definitely reach this point in your life without ever touching any substances.

Buddhism and meditation are great for this. I had practiced meditation for many years before I ever tried psychedelics and I was at peace with my life. I have always felt a yearning for a deeper spiritual connection in my life though so this was the next step for me, but if you're looking for peace then meditation and looking into some Buddhist philosophies and practices can give this to you. No need to ever touch any drugs for that.

>>9772541
Yes, I practiced meditation for many years, but it didn't work for me. Also, your own statement proves my point. Meditation only goes so far. You wanted to go much deeper, and that could only be attained with substances.

>>9772551

>Meditation only goes so far. You wanted to go much deeper, and that could only be attained with substances.

What are you looking for though? If you feel a need for spirituality then it might be difficult to find this through just meditation alone, but feeling at peace with your life and finding a sense of serenity is obtainable without drugs.

I feel the need to mention though that in my experience the severity of HPPD is a bit overstated. If you are interested in spirituality and if you do feel a need for that in your life then I wouldn't think of the possibility of HPPD as that big of a deterrence. Many people never get it at all and often people mistakenly believe that they have it and it goes away after a few weeks of not taking any substances.

You don't actually see real hallucinations or anything like that. It's mostly minor visual alterations like floaters or shimmering. I can see how it can be annoying to someone who only wanted to dabble with psychedelics as a sort of vacation from reality and then go back to being completely normal, but I don't find it annoying at all. It doesn't interfere with my life or stop me from being able to do anything, it's just there and I don't really see it as a big deal.

>>9772604
Are you a NEET? It's probably much easier for you to cope with HPPD, in that case.

>>9772611

I'm not really sure actually, I don't know if online freelancing counts as employment. I don't live a traditional NEET life since I live alone in a fairly rural area, I have to do a fair bit of work on my land every other day or so, and my income is based around translation work that I do through the internet.

I'm able to drive, do a lot of manual labor around the house, use the computer, and I've never noticed anything from the HPPD that interfered with my ability to do these things or any other normal activities. I don't have a job or coworkers or anything like that, but I don't see why it would interfere if I did though.

>>9772108

2D and 3D have absolutely nothing to do with NEETs. There are plenty of EETs who like 2D and there are NEETs who like 3D.

>>9772647
Can I go live with you? It sounds lonely and nice.

>>9772081
FREE MAD THAD
FREE MAD THAD
FREE MAD THAD

what you neets up to?

also, do any of you make music? teach me.

>>9773486
>>9772081
RIP Thad

>>9772418
I dunno, I sort of disagree. I was homeschooled and generally forced into isolation all my childhood. I always wanted friends, but later I realized how over-hyped it all was and started genuinely enjoying my NEET lifestyle. But, maybe I'm just a rare case.

>>9772119
Traits like what? I'm actually curious if I'm schizoid or just fucked up.

>>9772316
What happens if you're on a trip and you get bored?

>>9772344
Do you ever intend to get married to a healthy/skinny woman? I once thought that if I were to have standards for women (3d or otherwise) I should strive to meet those standards myself, or else I would simply be a hypocrite. However in my case that failed because I realized my standards simply stemmed from a reduced interest in interpersonal relationships, and when that grew into a full-blown lack of interest I basically lost any motivation for self-improvement. It may be useful if you can apply it to yourself, though.