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I watched the anime of air and even though it was really terrible, is the vn a ton better? would you say that air keeps the same feeling as kanon at all? or is air where it started to go in a more average way? I really liked the mc in air because it was a older man and kept the same personality as the other key vns. what is the vn like? is it more like kanon / one or clannad or littlebusters/rewrite(dont know what rewrite is like but im guessing it feels like little busters) ? Also please dont mind my ranting.. im just need to talk to somebody.. its late and i get like this around now..

In a couple months, yes. Kanon is required winter reading.

For now, if possible, read something set in autumn.

Winter is about the only time I can force myself to read it. Its alright, more nostalgia bait than anything, but just feels kinda weird to read in the heat.

>>9755911
Also to tell you the truth ep1 of air was really good and it felt like it was going to go in a good way. does the vn keep the same good feeling? is there a lot more too air then what was explained in the anime? like the girls routes or the main characters background? How long or by how many hours is the air vn anyway? would you say as long as clannad or much shorter than that? Is there a final route like in clannad that ends everything, or is it as confusing/deep and depressing as the ending of the anime? or was it just because the anime was to short to really explain what was going on? did the anime even use the good ending or the final end if there is one? what is the vn just not completed anyway when even ONE was fully translated? I thought air was keys moist popular vn? isn't it considered there actual best? would you say its better than clannad top the people who read it? Does it have a different it all together or does it keep the soul and magic like kanon?
>>9755934
To me its doesn't feel like nostalgia, its just that key stopped there focus on a certian way of doing stories and vns. little busters just feels.... i dont know.. but as you can see im very interested in what the air vn is like, im just guessing its nothing like the anime. Also does the mom in air have a route like the mom in kanon has a secret route? (which im not up to yet) also would you say the vn is better then the anime? I guessing as from reading ayus route the girls stories in the vn are more "finished" I liked how you saw ayu all grown up in the very ending of her route.. Thinking about it just reminds me of the good days.. I wish more vns around kanons time were translated.. I want to read more things that i couldn't do because of being to young and not in japan.. Its the same feeling of wishing i used the internet more in the 1990s

Im i the only one who gets like this late at night? I just remember how fun everything was when starting out on the internet, even though i missed a lot. the only thing i did in the 90s before i really started to explore the internet of play flash games,neopets,and even before that the pinball game on windows and that Pokemon pc trading card game... do kids these days even play the small games like the pinball game that comes on windows? Also did anybody on /jp. play air in Japanese? would you say its more like kanon then there new works? or something different? I know they have the old key like main character, but what about the setting and plot and the "soul/magic like feeling" I cant really explain that part. its something you need to feel.

>>9755975
I never read Air, sorry. Never expected the story to be too much different so I never bothered. As for the anime? Thats kind of a tough call. Its cute, but it doesn't feel much like the VN at all. Just loses the personalization I guess.

>I wish more vns around kanons time were translated.
They kinda get really same-y, mostly the adult ones anyway. Most of the old widely accepted "good" VNs are translated easily, sometimes even officially.

guess im just weird.. thought maybe somebody else would be up thinking like me..

>>9756044
Is there a list of just all the 1999 vns that were made that year? I just want to see what i could of been reading during that time in japan. I know its weird.. I also wonder just how many vns were made in that year. What was the first vn ever made anyway? is it popular to this day or forgotten? what year was it?

Wow you're rambling, but I'm a kagikko so I'll answer some of your many questions.

Speaking rather generally Air is like a blend of Kanon and Clannad (makes sense since it was released between the two). It's fucking amazing but Clannad is still my favorite Key game by a narrow margin. I haven't seen the anime but I'm guessing it doesn't fully capture the VN since the VN's a little longer than Kanon but it only got twelve episodes. Air does have a final true route and like I said I haven't watched the anime but the VN's end can easily be considered "confusing/deep and depressing."

As for Kanon, yeah you should definitely play all the routes. They aren't all as good as Ayu's (Nayuki's for example is fairly weak) but I'd say they're all worthwhile if you liked what you've played so far. You should at least play Makoto's route.

is this game translated /jp/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Dky%C5%ABsei
Its the first vn with choices and a plot.
Anybody ever read it?
also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SVP9TiqIhA
If anybody wants some history, i just found http://shii.org/geekstories/eroge.html..
>>9756123
>Air does have a final true route and like I said I haven't watched the anime but the VN's end can easily be considered "confusing/deep and depressing."
hmm interesting, so even in the vn its hard to understand what happened and its a very depressing end? wonder why they went for that... Also would you know why air has had problems being translated so much if its so good? do you like keys new vns or do you feel the same way that they changed for the worse with its "family-like or friend settings" I just cant get into little busters as much because the mood and magic of the world is not there. It lessened with clannad a bit but its gotten even worse now.

>>9755878
>dried out like little busters?
Fuck you.

>>9756162
Well its just doesn't have the same feeling for me, it feels well, average.. i guess.
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SVP9TiqIhA
anybody know if this was translated? it seems like a very creepy vn. Anybody ever read it? its the one of the first popular vns after Dokyusei which im also wondering if its translated.

Also are any of Chunsofts vns translated? like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamaitachi_no_Yoru?

The only routes worth playing for Kanon in my opinion are Mai's,Sayuri's and Makoto's.

Everyone elses is kinda,like, overplayed dramatic shit that doesn't require much thinking and I find it quite hard to push through their routes.Also you've played Yu-No OP,expect almost every single VN to utterly fail you from now on because that shit was better than any VN you'll see nowadays

>>9756183
Actually Im still in the common route in yu-no, its on my do to list though. Also chunsoft games like the ones im asking about seem very creepy even though they are so old, anybody read them? Is chunsoft still alive toay? what was there newest vn? they still doing horror?

>>9756180

>Console Novels
>Translated

nope. That kind of brand almost always gets shunned by hackers and shit even if its on simple stuff that could probably be broken open in a week or three like the Super Nintendo.

>>9756161
The fact that it's hard to understand lessens the depression of Air's ending; I was left mostly with bittersweet feelings and confusion. It actually is possible to figure out what happens at the end if you pay close attention to tons of tiny details and hints throughout the story (stuff that probably isn't found in the anime) or if you just read about them on the internet. All the foreshadowing and connections make Air's plot the best of any Key game, something I never see people talk about. Maybe because it's not immediately apparent how well thought out the story is.

The reason you like the older Key stuff better is probably because you're a fan of scenario writer Maeda Jun. He's still involved in Key's newer works, and played a major role in writing Little Busters, but after Clannad he even said he wouldn't be able to write stuff that good anymore. I can totally relate to the "magic" of older Key works that you're talking about.

None of the games you're asking about are translated. I couldn't tell you why Air isn't translated. It's cursed. Many have tried to translate it and failed, for no reason related to the game itself. The only remotely difficult thing about translating it would be the Summer chapter, and even that shouldn't be too hard.

>>9756192
Why? What about Dokyusei? Also Otogirisou seemed really popular so i though maybe.. but i guess nit sadly.. Also i found out this was the real first vn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portopia_Renzoku_Satsujin_Jiken and that its translated, anybody give it a go?

>>9756195
Oh so that why, it wasn't completely the same writer and hes lost it..
Why did he say he couldn't write anything like he use to?

>>9756201
It's important to note that Maeda never wrote anything entirely by himself, but he was the main creative force at Key.

>Why did he say he couldn't write anything like he use to?
He basically said he ran out of ideas, if I recall correctly. I think it probably drained his creative energy. Clannad is a huge magnum opus and Maeda wrote most of it. Then there's the other great games he had written before it, including another masterpiece (Air).

While I'm fanboying Maeda I might as well mention that he also composes music for Key's games, including many of the iconic tracks like Natsukage, Nagisa's theme, and Last Regrets.

Kanon Platform, Enterprise Edition (Kanon EE) builds on the solid foundation of Kanon Platform, Standard Edition (Kanon SE) and is the industry standard for implementing enterprise-class shoujo-oriented architecture (SOA) and next-generation visual novels. The SDKs contain Key AyuShiori Enterprise Server, previously named Key Kanon Shoujo Application Server, and provide support for Kanon EE 5 specifications.

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Is air getting retranslated or something? If its at 28% already, does that mean the translator is fast?

>>9757039

Probably not.

You should read all the routes

Rewrite is awesome and is probably my second favorite KEY game behind clannad (third being little busters).

I did not like Air at all, its the only KEY game i didn't like. Played through it a second time too and still didn't care for it. Not surprising that no translation group has finished it.

>>9759160
>Not surprising that no translation group has finished it.
It's not surprising because... you don't like it and your opinion is some kind of fact that should ¡be held up as standard?

>>9759206
I don't understand the point of your post, i never said my opinion was fact. I found it boring and easily the worst key game, apparently others have felt the same since no translation group has ever gotten very far before stopping. Maybe its cause of anther unrelated issue, I have no idea but most tech issues are eventually resolved if the group is dedicated enough.

>>9759270
Your logic doesn't follow. I would hope most of the people who tried translating Air had played it before starting to translate it, meaning they liked it enough to decide to translate it. The thing is, translating an eroge is a lot of work with hardly any payoff (epenis among neckbeards on the internet is the only thing the translator gets out of it) so it doesn't make sense to assume everyone who stopped translating Air did it because they didn't like the game. I love Air but I'm not going to translate it; liking a game and wanting to put in hundreds of hours of work to translate it for English speakers are two different things.

>>9759350
Yeah i guess that makes sense. Its not like it would be the first time translators have quit a project cause they eventually decide they don't like it anymore, with the time investment you're bound to find more faults then you'd like. After thinking about it more though it does seem fairly unlikely that that's the real reason every group has stalled.

Last time I played kanon was around the winter of 2008/2009.
I still don't know how to explain it, but for some reason I really like the story on it. I've played a few more VNs after it, but none seem to be able to capture the emotions I got from kanon. Also the music from the game was pretty good, and I think I still got most songs from it loaded onto my media player.