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Rosetta Stone

Are there any good iOS apps for learning Japanese?

A webbrowser

>>9750942
Anki. Also, put Siri in Jap mode and ask her for sex repeatedly.

>>9750945
>>9750936
But they don't respect your freedom

SmCD 2.0 Enterprise Edition

Anki
ITH
Eroge
Internet

Well, at least it's not in Portuguese.

>>9750952
So. What's your suggestion?

>>9750929
Wis a Japanese-English dictionary not in english?

I study Chinese and Japanese. Use both of these alongside Genki Textbook and Chinese Link.

>>9750971
It's in english. The interface isn't but that doesn't matter.

Using Rosetta stone to get some basics. Going to supplement it with anki, and a couple other things, including trying my best to immerse myself in the language as much as possible, which basically means I'm listening to J Pop.

>>9750981
Rosetta is apparently great for listening comprehension and pronounciation, but you're better off with Genki for Grammar, itr explains it so well.

I also tried Total Japanese, but that requires three textbooks, all are very shit.

>>9750988
I really want the listening comprehension. So I can at least have a grasp of what I'm hearing.

From taking a Japanese class, the written aspect is much more important than the listening. If you can't read it off a page with minimal effort, then you need to work on it. I'll work on that later though!

I'll look into Genki. I was staring at the screen for 15 minutes trying to figure out what changed when it was talking about masu and masen. It's past tense, I know now.

>>9750983
This shit is just great for listening comprehension and speaking too. If you have no one to practice with.

>>9750994


>>9750992
~ます　＝　present affirmative
~ません　＝　present negative
~ました　＝　past affirm
~ませんでした　＝　past negative

Theres a quick drill. THis is also a good way to learn your grammar. Write it ou in a way you can easily absorb the information and store it in long term memory

OP Here.
What is that "Genki" software? any link will be grateful

also, thanks for the replies so far they have been useful currently downloading Anki

>Anki requires python-qt4 100MB+ on disk space

You really should read Tae Kim to understand how the grammar actually works before doing stuff with -masu polite forms like genki wants you to.

>>9751014
Genki aint a software.

It's a textbook that most Universities, well one's that know what they're doing, use to teach student Japanese.

It's sort of like a course built around teaching you the most important parts of Japanese in succession, Kanji, Grammar and Lisatening comprehension all in one.

-go to http://spiderchan.com/srch/
-next search /a/ (yes /a/...) for "daily japanese"
-go to the thread
-there should be a pastebin of all the links you'll ever need to master Japanese, if not, then just ask. The people in those threads are pretty much the only cool people in /a/ now, they also help you with questions and etc as long as you dont act retarded.

holy shit GTFO f*ckin weebs

>>9751024

>>9751024
>>f*ckin
>>weebs
Reddit called, they want you back.

>>9751006
Masendeshita? I hardly ever hear that one. I romanized it because I don't feel like navigating all through the control panel to turn on the keyboard. But Thanks!

This is kind of what I'm talking about with Rosetta. It teaches you, but over a long period of time, with lots of examples, but there's never any quick reference charts or cute songs for conjugation. I liked that about taking a class, even though I goofed off....

>>9750929

No idea if it's any good, but I got all the dick clean software, or whatever the fuck it's called.

>>9751025
>cool people
>/a/

I always assumed you had to pick one. I'm not who you replied to, but thanks. I also had no idea that tool existed.

>>9751018
Yeah i'll agree, there isn't much better out there than Tae Kim's, but that's purely grammar.

If grammar is what you want to learn first then go straight to Tae Kim

If you want to speed up your visual understanding of Japanese, rush vocab and the Kanji with Kanjidamage or Heisigs (Heisigs is fast but lean, you dont learn any pronounciation or useable words). Use anki for this, or similar if you prefer.

If you want to speak Japanese, do Rosetta stone, watch japanese tv shows, etc. listen to anything Japanese.

If you want to do an all rounder then just read through Genki and do ALL the exercises, well enough to keep the information in.

Any idea what the military uses to teach its translators? I know they have an army (pun intended) full of arabic translators, and although they are by no means masters the language, I'm interested to know what they teach with.

There are some dumb motherfuckers who manage to be translators, so it can't be that hard.

>>9751059
>so it can't be that hard
Most people know a language.

>>9751059
There's a base in California that was made to house the Defense Language Institute, that's where military linguists go to learn language.

>>9751059
University-like courses I assume.

They would pay for the potential translators to recieve lessons via distance on the net these days or fund a course for them. Be all hush hush though prob.

No, there is no magic brain tool they use to make people instantly learn languages if thats what your thinking. We have the most efficient means right here on the net. All listed in this thread.

As well as your own personal fucking motivation to learn it.

>>9751066
Most people know more than one? I'm not sure, although I am an American. We don't seem to value learning a second language as much as other places. Unless you're an immigrant.

>>9751071
It would be funny if they literally used anki and pirated rosetta stone to get it done. But I see your point. If there was some gigantic secret about it, it wouldn't be a secret for long.

how to practice kana/kanji? now that I have learnt some, manga?

>>9751059
What exactly do you want to know about it?
I learned Arabic myself through the military at the DLI like >>9751067 said. I wasn't Army though, Air Force.

>>9751083
Well, first of all. What was the focus? Speaking and understanding?

What was the idea behind it? I know rosetta works on the idea of total immersion, and anki just works on consistent repetition. Was there a general theme?

How long did it take?

Thanks, and thank you for your service!

>>9751082
Practice?

I dunno, write some shit nigger?
Yotsuba& is basic as start with that.

Basically anything aimed at kids is only going going to have kana. At middle school level around 1000 kanji is known, at the end of highschool, all 2136 Jouyou kanji is known.

So if you take that into account, pick a media at your AGE level of japanese and start from there.

I reccommend pokemon red

obenkyo for learning hirigana/katana/ some kanji
and its free

>>9751079
He's saying that even in countries with really complicated languages, even the dumbest of idiots learn it. Which suggests that unlike other disciplines, there's no minimum requirement of intelligence to learn it. There's no complex logical problems that require rational and creative thinking; it's just a whole lot of memorization, which anyone with a healthy, functional brain can do, as long as they invest the time.

>>9751095
I'll do my best to answer your questions, things -may- have changed there since it's been four years, but I think the info should be accurate.

The focus is on understanding spoken language, the vast majority of jobs in the military that require you to know a foreign language involve you sitting in an office with headphones on translating little bits of information that the intel corps pick up. You have to know the ins and outs of dialect, inflection, and even cultural quirks in order to get the full meaning of whatever you're listening to. That being said, the DLI gets you at a high-school graduate level at the end of the course, so reading, listening, and speaking are all at about the same level of fluency.

>What was the idea behind it?
Full day of work in a classroom where your entire teaching team is made up of natives from that country. It's a really great way to learn a language that easily trumps any computer program out there. That being said, a lot of us used Anki.

>>9751114
(Cont.)
I recommend it all the time since it's probably the best flash-card program out there thanks to it's ease of use and extreme portability on your mobile.

>How long did it take?
Depends on the course.
Spanish is about four months
Everything else is about a year and three months, give or take a few weeks.

>Thank you for your service!
Y-You too..
I still don't know what to say to this.

>>9751124
>I still don't know what to say to this.
"I had some free time"

>>9751124
Please don't misuse spoilers.

Does anyone know of a program like Translation Aggregator that has the machine pronunciation voice like google's translator has?

I've found that it's normally pretty accurate and it helps me learn sentences when I can hear someone say it aloud.

>>9751006
>>9750983
Where do you get this? Is it free?

>>9751201
There was something on the old Fuwanovel called "Japanese Vocalization Bridge". No idea whether it survived when Fuwanovel sank.

>>9751025
>People make /jp/ to get rid of all non-anime
>People in /jp/ stop trying to learn Japanese
>People are posting in /a/ again.
>I'm quoting the ironies.

>>9750952
Anki is GPL

>>9751465
Who are you quoting?

jishop lol

>>9751096
Thank you very much anon

>>9751029
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm?s=t

>>9750929
I haven't used it much, but this site seems kind of useful http://japaneseclass.jp/user/statistics/30744