/jp/ - Otaku Culture

People I don't like started liking it, so I had to stop.

Zun got married.

Tone down you autism, nerd.

Reimu died?

2011 was when I stopped liked Touhou too.

>>9706700

/jp/ summarized

>What happened to Touhou?

It became really popular and got a lot of new games, supplementary material and fanworks. 愛でたし愛でたし

>>9706693
UFO was in 2009

>>9706693

It got several print works of high quality and became even better than it ever was before. THAT is what happened. In the meantime, despite gaining massive popularity, Zun hasn't even slightly let it go to his head, and hasn't damaged the integrity of his vision.

The games are still great, but you know how people are. If something changes in a way they dislike they call it objectively "horrible", rather than just acknowledging that sometimes tastes change on either side of a creation.

What I really can't stand is the people that say it sucks because its popular. And more than anything I can't stand the people, with EVERY SINGLE GAME, say the music sucks. People did that for MF, SA, UFO, and now TD. And you know what? All of them had great soundtracks.

Fuck you /jp/, you're not ruining this for me.

It just became too mainstream.

>>9706949
I'm glad someone else typed this post saying exactly how I feel so that I didn't have to.

Even if I suspect OP is trolling, Thank you.

IN was the last good game.

R.I.P.

>>9706949
>TD
>great soundtrack
I agree on the others, but I don't see how you can claim this was as good as the others.

>>9706976
Desire Drive and Seiga's Theme were pretty good.

>>9706949

>In the meantime, despite gaining massive popularity, Zun hasn't even slightly let it go to his head, and hasn't damaged the integrity of his vision.

This is very admirable. I commend ZUN for not going astray with original Touhou. His original vision of Touhou is what made it so great and popular. If he changed it or gave into the fandom, it wouldn't be Touhou anymore.
Many people don't seem to realize this and complain that he never does anything to appease the fandom. They don't realize, that he's not even making the games for them to begin with. He does it for his own entertainment.

Zun got married, that's why touhou died.

His wife made him abandon all fun things, and only lets him focus on her.

Zun sold out

>>9706949
>And more than anything I can't stand the people, with EVERY SINGLE GAME, say the music sucks.

It's not just music, you know. Gameplay, characters, story, everything. Meanwhile every single previous game is a modern classic.

Only EoSD/PCB are spared from the quarrels so far, but I wonder what will happen some ten years from now, when there's a gap of entire generation between EoSD and the most recent entry in the series. I'm pretty sure kids won't understand.

>>9706949
UFO is great, SA is decent, MoF is bad and TD is terrible. Not all Touhous are born equal, much like not all of your favorite STG company's games are equally good. It's not "something changed", all integer Touhous are very different games with different merits or lack thereof.

>>9706949
>And more than anything I can't stand the people, with EVERY SINGLE GAME, say the music sucks.

It's not just music. Gameplay, characters, story, everything. Meanwhile every single previous game is a modern classic.

Only EoSD/PCB are spared from the quarrels so far, but I wonder what will happen some ten years from now, when there's a gap of entire generation between EoSD and the most recent entry in the series. I'm pretty sure kids won't understand.

please let me post

>>9706993
post

I like all of the touhou games. Am I lucky for being able to enjoy fun things?

heres what happened

every game after Touhou 8 Imperishable Night
suck.

1. the music is less memorable and isnt as great as th6, 7 and 8.
2. the style changed, everything is smaller and faster while the gameplay area(the rectangle on the left) is the same.
3. the power system is lame because you can have like 10 bombs with 1 life.
4. he removed death bomb, its almost impossible to bomb if you try to do it at the last second you still die.
5. (my opinion) the characters after IN are not really memorable.

the music in these games are really important. i dont mind dieing in touhou 6, 7 and 8 because the music makes me feel badass.

on the other hand, the games after IN are just a pain. the music is just annoying.

i think that happens in a series that has too many games

my personal favorite is Touhou 8 imperishable night.

>>9706991
>I wonder what will happen some ten years from now, when there's a gap of entire generation between EoSD and the most recent entry in the series. I'm pretty sure kids won't understand.
nothing. there won't be anymore touhou games since zun's now a married working man with no soul, who needs to work from early morning to late night to support his family and has no time for hobbies like touhou anymore.

>>9707090
He already had a full-time job.

>>9707094
but now he also has a wife and soon will have kids. once you reach that, the work saps half of your free time and family the other half.

and if you ever get a few minutes to yourself, you're so mentally drained you just want to go to sleep, not program.

>>9707094
Not a respectable job for a married Japanese man.

>>9707084
come on the music in SA is good, specially yugis and okuus theme

>>9707084
>its impossible to deathbomb

Go watch some of the streamers, one of them seems to deathbomb almost every death in SA. Anonymizer I think it was.
Point being it's quite possible.

>>9707090
Give up already.

>>9706949
>TD
>great soundtrack
I agree on the others, but Ten Desries, great soundtrack?

>>9707084
Touhou 10 Mountain of Faith is exactly the opposite of what you said.
I also think it has the best soundtrack.

>>9707149

Yeah... True Administrator was great (though the final boss themes always are), but the rest of the soundtrack didn't do it for me somehow.

>>9707084


Stop right there criminal scum ,most of the songs in SA was from of the best in all the serie ,the characters were great too.


But you are right on point 2 and 3. But on the music field ,you are totally wrong

must be hard being the latest game when the fandom is nothing but hivemind autistics nostalgiafagging it up

TD soundtrack is good, get over it

>>9707188
>TD soundtrack is good, get over it

Where are the fucking trumpets?

>>9707188
>Touhou
>nostalgiafags
how is that even possible? People didn't even know about the series till most likely 2007. And even then to be a nostalgiafag you'd have to have been playing the PC98 games. And TD soundtract is mediocre at best compared to the other windows games.

>>9707211
>soundtract
lel im gey
captcha: inadequate ban

Soundtracks? STGs have soundtracks?

>>9707215
stop posting

Touhou is fine, even getting better since its popularity is going down and luckily we'll get rid of the retards who joined because the series got popular, the people who claim the first games are better are partially blind by nostalgia in the best case and retards in the worser.

Even if Touhou becomes a little community here I'll be glad to discuss it with the ones who'll remain, in fact I'm looking forward to it, has to be said that Touhou is not just a series of games, print works, music cds and other stuff, Touhou is the community too, and elitism aside, I'm glad to have met you /jp/

Ignore people who tries to make you stop enjoying things.

>>9707203
It's different, so it's bad?

>>9707211
You're right, but even so I often get the feeling of people taking about the "good old days" and "it changed, now it's bad". The principe is the same.

Give it another year. TD soundtrack is more subtle, less melodic. It has many tracks that I feel are very different from previous games, but that's what I like about it. But at the same time, it also has a lot of the cozy melodies that I think are reminiscent of earlier windows games.

Reimu-san was born in 1994; still alive

>>9706991
10 years from now kids will think about TH06-14 in the same way that we think about TH01-05.

>>9707221

I'm as old as Reimu.

>>9707226
Me too!

>>9707218
I'm glad to have met you too, anonymous.
If not for Touhou, I feel like I would be dead, even if only on the inside. I'll forever be thankful towards everyone, even the whiny fags in this thread. I love you all.

>>9707233
>>9707226
Good club

>>9707233
>>9707226
ugh

>>9707235
You're welcome.

>>9707239
Youth?

>>9707239

>>9707225
No one will care about Touhou anymore. It will be seen as some old shit like Haruhi.
Instead everyone will love MLP-Reloaded or something.
This is the harsh truth, sorry.

>>9707221
>>9707237
>>9707226

We're all Reimus here

Touhou needs canon relationships and more men.

>>9707219
Go listen to some of Bach's fugues. ZUN's music for Ten Desires consists largely of fugue-like material. It is of a greater technical quality than previous Touhou music.

>>9707251
I don't believe MLP will still be popular in 10 years. At the very least I think Touhou has a bigger chance.

About that though. Touhou celebrates 20 years in 3 years. Any thoughts? I've been trying to visualize it, but it feels hard to predict what the community as a whole will be like by then.

>>9707253
>>9707233
>>9707226
Yeah, I'm barely 18 years old too, and I'm neet for the summer vacation !! :) I don't do drugs or go to parties like all my idiot cisgender normalfag friends though, that's for losers! My smug self-satisfaction is enough to fuel my enormous ego even and even convince me that I'm not a complete anti-social outcast piece of shit! It's society's fault that all my peers are vapid and stupid and I can't fit in! Lol, those idiots running after girls wish they could be as smart as me! Of course, I do make whine and depression threads on /jp/ all the time, but it's ironic so it's fine, hehe. I don't drink either, because I'm too good for drugs like that! I also hate my parents, those idiots don't understand why I'm NOT a complete fuckup that cannot fit into ordinary life and instead am a free-thinking bastion of individuality in a world full of conformers and squares! I love /jp/, it is my favorite board on 4chan because it is so obscure and hipster and ironic, perfectly fit for one genius as myself! Next summer, I'll be sure to stay on /jp/ all day again!

>>9707251
How is Haruhi ``old shit''?

It's younger than Touhou.

>>9707239
Don't be mean anon....

>>9707251
Just now you wrote this...? Hidoi anonymous...

>>9707267
Just now you wrote this...? Hidoi anonymous...

>>9707267
I'm from 1994 but i'm not 18 years old.
I was born in 12/12

>>9707286
That's my birthdate too !

>>9707293
(✿ ♥‿♥) cutest picture ever

12/31 here....

Please don't be mad at me /jp/....

Someone please ban all of those kids.

>>9707299
Sou desu

>>9707251
>old shit like Haruhi

>>9707318

We're getting a new game on winter.

Why do you doubt ZUN? Has he ever let you down? You don't even pay for his games.

>>9707369
I would absolutely pay for his games if he allowed me to.

>>9707383
Get out generation Z or whatever the fuck you retards call yourselves.

>>9707383
meant to reply to a deleted post, sorry.

>>9707251
Touhou is older than Haruhi.

touhou 14

>>9707606

>>9707218
Which one of KamS videos is this from?
I can't seem to find his streams on nico.

>>9707575
Is that a realistic portrait of heaven?

>>9707632
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16102685

>>9706984
>and complain that he never does anything to appease the fandom
What is GFW?

>>9707703
What about it?

>>9707715
Stop playing dumb, you maximum autist.

>>9707729
Explain how GFW was made to "appease the fandom." Were that many people really petitioning him to make SaBND into a game? Or is Cirno just so wildly popular that ZUN felt forced to make a game just for her?

>>9707743
>Or is Cirno just so wildly popular that ZUN felt forced to make a game just for her?

She is.

I personally think Imperishable Night was the last truly good Touhou game. Games that followed it have bits and pieces that are good, individual characters and such, but the whole package just doesn't stand the test.

>>9707767
She and her themes consistently score behind Sakuya, Mokou, Alice, Yuuka, and Flandre in popularity rankings and comparably in Pixiv numbers, all of whom have yet to show up as non-fighting playable characters post-PoFV. In the case of Yuuka, Flandre, and Mokou, they haven't shown up again at all outside print works and photo games, period.

>>9707203
In Miko's theme. And boy, does that one fucking trumpet compensate for the entirety of the game.

>>9707767
Yeah, ZUN made a game for his western fanbase.
Yeah.

TD is seriously the blandest and most boring game to date, by far.

Soundtrack is completely forgettable, except maybe Yoshika's theme. The characters are forgettable too, since they're just literal copypastes from their original inspiration without any ZUN-touches, except of course Mami who is an average Tanuki dressed up like ZUN.

Now ZUN is trying to force them into the manga trying to make people like them since characters of the previous games struggle to get a mere cameo.

The last good game for me was SA, MoF was bland too, but at least had good soundtrack...ish.

Yoshika and Seiga are nice characters with lots of "ZUN touches".

Seriously aside from them Sanae,Parsee,Koishi,Orin and Byakuren the 10-12 characters were all bland so don't just hate on TD

>>9707914
> Sanae,Parsee,Koishi,Orin

But those are bland as fuck too, they have more of fan-made stuff going for them than anything else, the least one being Sanae since she appears constantly but that doesn't do much anyway.

Huh? All ZUN did was screw up the scoring system in TD. Everything else is on par, if not better (the whole TD cast is wonderful) with all of his other games. Seems like people just bitch for the wrong reasons. But the fact is: Touhou didn't die, your interest in it did.

>>9707925
Parsee and Koishi have amazing backstories/fun facts and Orin is cute.

Sanae is a cute dork~

TD has the best stage 6 atmosphere.

You're flying through an infinitely huge space, surrounded by what look like miniature stars, the low beats thum through you as you get nearer and nearer to your goal. Finally, as you see Miko for the first time and the steady beat drives on, you come to the realization that Miko has been waiting for you this whole time, you can't stop her resurrection, she has already reached her ultimate goal of immortality and divine power. She is the one that can conquer Gensokyo. And then, as soon as she reveals all of this to you, True Adminisrator kicks in, the initial guitar riffs start right as the danmaku starts to fly, and you know then that no matter the outcome, Miko has already won, you're fighting against the inevitable as you exchange danmaku in the starry sky.

And if Miko's boss fight isn't one of the most well-synced, I don't know what is.

http://youtu.be/Itt0BNGd1nk?t=3m47s

>>9707984
ugh how can you even say that

>>9707778

Not the anon you're replying to but indeed, SDM cast gets referenced here and there on the comics and some of the books but Flandre in special has nothing for years save for her spells in GoM. Might not be the case in the west but I've always considered Flandre to be a lot more popular than Cirno in Japan.

>>9707984

You can't sync boss fights.

>>9707984
People sure have different tastes. I think that TD's stage six is the most half-assed one in the entire series. I don't like the stage, I don't like the music and I don't like Miko's patterns.

>>9707984
>That guze flash timing

>>9707161
>True Administrator was great (though the final boss themes always are), but the rest of the soundtrack didn't do it for me somehow
My autism is going to explode, I can barely contain it.

The large variety of characters and styles is what makes Touhou endure. Look at someone who is obviously very passionate about Miko and TD
>>9707984
and then someone who thinks that other stages are more fun and enjoyable for them
>>9708022

Both opinions are equally valid, it's about finding enjoyment through the series though your own way.

>>9708022

I liked the boss fight but I agree with the stage, I thought it was pretty bland.

th06 you climb up to where Remilia is, and the background revels the moon
th07 you climb the stairs until you reach the Blossom Tree with Yuyuko by its side
th08 has 2 stages with 2 different backgrounds
th10 you reach Kanako as you hit the lake
th11 you reach Utsuho as you reach the core of old hell
th12 changes the background to a sunset like vista as you reach Byakuren

All of those have interesting ways to change the stage and it impacts you when you have to confront the final boss. TD has nothing, you stay in this bland space for the entirety of it. At least the boss theme was good.

>>9708019
Unless you're spamming trance and bombs for more trance and then killing yourself for more bombs like pretty much every score run out there, that one part of Miko's theme will almost always happen at either Armillary Sphere of Ikaruga-dera or Halo of the Guse Kannon. I like how the first time I fought her, I died at the exact second it started, so I thought it was how her trance theme sounded like.

>>9708080

It's more on how long it takes for each character to take down spells. Sometimes the difference can go up to 10 seconds if a particular shot type is not very well suited for some spells.

TD's music has some pretty good arranges...

http://youtu.be/r3Q7fPYJMTY

Hey guys, "I don't like it" is not a valid argument for "it is bad". Likewise, "bland" is not only a lazy criticism, but it is also pretty easy to disprove objectively. for TD zun used fewer complex frills, which in character design is a crutch, and instead utilized amazing color and shape control to make each character pop.

I can accept you not liking characters, songs, and really anything from the game. however, your taste does not dictate my taste, nor does it determine the quality of my taste.

Acting as if it does is perhaps the biggest indicator of a selfish, immature mind.

>>9710200
>Hey guys, "I don't like it" is not a valid argument for "it is bad".
Welcome to 4chan.

>>9710231
I know, but I felt the need to at least mention it. Even if it is futile, it would feel wrong to let that kind of behavior to go without comment.

>>9710200
> Hey guys, "I don't like it" is not a valid argument for "it is bad".

Of course it is. Good and bad are subjective. If I say something is bad, then yes, it's *because* I don't like it. Maybe someone else loves it, but to me it's bad. Obviously I assume you're intelligent enough to work this out for yourself, to save me the trouble of beginning every single one of my sentences with, "IT IS MY OPINION THAT..."

>>9710248
That isn't how objectivty and subjectivity work. When you attack another's subjective opinion ("I like TD") as many in this thread did, you are making an objective argument, not a subjective one. And even if that weren't the case, attacking one's taste just because it does not match yours is immature and causes far more strife than is needed.

If you say 'I hate TD, heres why' and I say 'I liked TD, here is why', then there is nothing more to say on the matter.

>>9710268
But my taste is better than yours.

>>9710248

Then say "I don't like it", goddamnit. You can try and explain it away all you like, but when I say "This food is terrible", I'm sure as hell not implying that you might enjoy it.

>>9707218>>9707235
I'm happy I've read this.

>>9707778
>Sakuya, Mokou, Alice, Yuuka, and Flandre
>comparably in Pixiv numbers

東方 幽香: 28413
東方 妹紅: 33874
東方 アリス: 47577
東方 咲夜: 58481
東方 フラン: 67045

東方 チルノ: 78197

I guess you can compare them, if that's what you mean, but the result of the comparison is obvious. (Also, it should actually be "東方 (チルノ OR ⑨): 81924", but let's not overcomplicate matters.)

Reading this thread is pretty confusing. Are there really so many people on /jp/ who dislikes second era windows games? I'd like to perhaps chime in with the last point made in >>9707952

Maybe you guys complaining so much just don't love Touhou as much as you used to, causing you to focus on the negative points of each game.

>>9710762
It's sometimes really as if everyone hates everything.

Touhou games degraded in gameplay, music, and characters after 8 while the fandom exploded and a bunch of commercial shit got created. It's basically humanoid MLP now (including in Japan), and has been for a while.

Of course, newfags and casualfags (tertiaries and secondaries in Touhou's case) taking over something cool is only natural. Look at the video game industry. It's not just my nostalgia talking; popular SNES and PSX games are objectively better than modern staples such as Cawadooty and Angry Birds.

The good news is Touhou is getting saturated with white noise. There's too much shit out there, so most newfags are too lazy to obsess about anything other than ancient shit like IOSYS, Crow's Claw, and Bad Apple, in addition to the absolute newest game. And that brings me comfort.

So to anyone who considers themselves part of the Touhou fandom, don't worry. I was the same when I was 16, posting Touhou threads on 4chan, watching Touhou flashes in the school computer lab, collecting Touhou fanart, and memorizing IOSYS lyrics. But then I got older and realized that it was shit except for the porn.

>>9707153
>I also think it has the best soundtrack.

Heartily agreed. There's one, maybe two weak tracks and loads of excellent ones. Suwa Foughten Field is still my favourite endboss theme.

>>9707778
Actually Cirno has more Pixiv-tagged images than any other Touhou, even Reimu, who is in second place.

However, Cirno never gets even in the top 20 in the yearly polls that are done to clarify popularity due to Pixiv numbers being unreliable.

>>9707984
>you come to the realization that Miko has been waiting for you this whole time, you can't stop her resurrection, she has already reached her ultimate goal of immortality and divine power. She is the one that can conquer Gensokyo

Ugh, you sound like a fanfiction faggot or some average youtube commenter trying to get upvotes.

Get the fuck out of here.

>>9711243
Agreed, he's basically the face of modern Touhoufags (many of which inhabit /jp/). Just some chuuni faggot autismally obsessed with the characters and lore the same way a 16 year old obsesses over Bleach or Hetalia or MLP or whatever kids like these days.

And that writing style. That's some REAL DEAL shit I laugh so hard cat hiss at penis

>>9710981
Incorrect.

>>9711240
Actually, she doesn't. She's third behind Reimu and Marisa. What she does have is the most popular tag, but this is due to inconsistent tagging for characters with family names.

>clarify popularity due to Pixiv numbers being unreliable

It's funny because the thwiki poll is the biggest outlier here. You can't clarify reality, you just reflect it or not.

>>9711478
>>9711243
It's almost like you're not allowed to be passionate about anything anymore.

>>9711243
>>9711478
Primates or just retards, I can't tell.

>>9712204
samefriend

>>9712204
Your mother is a retarded primate.

>>9710981
so edgy

This is perhaps one of the most retarded posts I have seen in a while. Those 'commercial works' by which I assume you mean the short stories and comics (as those are the only commercial products to exist), have been around for quite a while (cola), and make up the majority of what makes touhou, touhou.

If you don't like the print works, fine. but don't dare turn this into a newfag/ secondary thing. Zun, like any other creator, has stories he wants to tell. Making short stories and comics is the logical route to take, since he wants to keep the games as they have always been: about the game.

You can make all sorts of arguments about the games themselves, where you think the series has gone downhill, but to attribute that to it's popularity is folly. Zun has a different idea of what touhou should be than you do. Instead of being butthurt about it and lashing out at others that still enjoy, perhaps you should accept that it isn't what you want it to be, and move on.

Or,at the very least, if you are going to make critisisms, perhaps you should ACTUALLY make critisisms, rather than vaguely declaring things are worse without citing any specifics or reasoning.

>>9712489
You realise he sells the games too, right?

>>9712504
I think he does, that's why he's put commercial works in quotes to show that when he uses that phrase he's using it in the scope that the original anon used it.

However he is responding to someone who is either a troll or retard since he's bringing up Angry Birds, somehow?

>>9712504
Uh, yeah? You do know what commercial means, right? Specificall how commercial products differ from ones offered in the doujin scene.

If you need clarification: The print works are all published through commercially circulated magazines. the games are still (mostly) circulated via indipendent channels.

I'll make it clear that the difference doesnt actually matter, since even if the games were published through another company, they would still be the same. I'm just pointing it out because athat was the only part of my post you felt the need to respond to.

You know, the part that didn't matter.