/jp/ - Otaku Culture

that sounds scary

Suwako out of nowhere

That stuff can't directly kill you, right?

One time I was walking outside and I find this bush with some belladonna berries on it and I took them home and then I ate them.

I sat in my room for hours and everyone that I had ever met, even fictional characters, kept walking in and talking to me and then they would start screaming and their heads were folding in on themselves like they were made of paper. It felt so real and I was so delirious that I forgot that I had even taken the berries. This lasted nearly 13 hours before it finally stopped.

>>9504871

Psychedelics can't kill you. Shrooms, LSD, DMT, etc. None of those can physically hurt you.

You can overdose on datura though, but that's a deliriant and not a psychedelic.

>Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measurable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist.

>>9504876

>None of those can physically hurt you. [citation needed]

You're delusional if you don't think they damage your brain in some way.

With that said, I've used shrooms twice before, and both times thoroughly enjoyed myself. I would never use any kind of strong mind-altering drug again though now, because of certain past experiences.

>>9504859
I have reached around level 4 when tripping on some dxm. But then again I usually have hallucinations because I suffer from psychosis.

The dxm made everything more realistic and scared the shit out of me. Never touched it again after that.

>>9504886

>if you don't think they damage your brain in some way.

I've never read any evidence of actual brain damage, but there is the possibility of triggering latent schizophrenia in people who have it.

I'm talking about overdosing and immediate physical harm to your body though. You can take massive amounts of psychedelics and it is impossible for you to overdose. Whether or not excessive long-term use will permanently alter the way that you think is debatable, but it won't physically harm you like other drugs can do (liver damage, lung cancer, respiratory failure, etc)

Reading the list in OP it all seems very interesting, but I'm way too scared of the risks to ever try anything. And to be honest, I don't think it's worth it.

>>9504912
Do something easy like some otc stuff. Dextromethorphan is easy. You can dose control so you can have a better time then just fully jumping into something you have no idea about. But this is something you don't want to use everyday, I'm sure you probably know that but just saying.

>>9504912

>but I'm way too scared of the risks to ever try anything

You're scared of the legal risks of using illegal drugs or just something about these types of drugs specifically?

>>9504920
Isn't**

>>9504920
Whoops. Meant Isn't supposed to do it everyday. My mistake

>>9504908
That's because there have been no solid studies done on brain function due to ethical and legal concerns.
Long-term usage of the hallucinogens in general, is certain to have detrimental effects on brain function.

On my twelfth birthday my grandpa poured the green stuff in a cup for me, drink it he said. I took a little sip to taste it, it was not of my liking, but grandpa insisted that i have to drink it, so i did. he then poured the green stuff for him and unlike me, he drank it like it was water. It was after a while that the effects started kicking in. My grandpa exclaimed, behold kid! you're now shitfaced! i don't remember much of what happened during the effects, i just remember waking up feeling thirsty and my head hurt.

>>9504916

I hope you're not implying it's irrational to be afraid of the harmful physical/mental effects of the drugs themselves.

Because that would be silly.

>>>/420chan/

I reach level 1 without any drugs about twice a year.

>>9504930

>is certain to have detrimental effects on brain function

What kind of detrimental effects? I've known people who have been taking acid regularly since the 60s and 70s and they're just really strange people, but their memories are fine. Aside from their eccentric way of thinking they don't seem to show any signs of brain damage.

This looks scary so I don't want to do it.

>>9504876
>>9504886
>>9504908
>>9504916
>>9504920
>>9504985
"HUH? WHY NOT? WHAT ABOUT IT DON'T YOU WANT TO DO? DON'T YOU KNOW ACID WON'T KILL YOU? WHAT THE FUCK. IT'S ILLEGAL, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW. I'VE DONE TONS OF ACID. WHERE DID I GET IT? WELL, ER, IT JUST, SORT OF FELL IN MY HANDS. NO! I DID NOT GET IT FROM MY GIRLFRIEND! WHY AM I ON /JP/? FOR THE TOUHOUS! MY FAVORITE TOUHOU? WELL, IT'S CIRNO OF COURSE. BAKA (9)!"

>>9504995
Please don't act like a retard just because somebody said something stupid or something that you disagree with.

Where do I buy shaman robes? I don't want to grow any of these drugs until I can purchase some robes to help get me in the mood.

Pure little girls do not do drugs

>>9504995

Trying too hard. And yes, a sizeable population of /jp/ is not NEET, mostly students. Almost everyone who actually contributes to the doll threads are career professionals (check archive). Try judging the post content rather than the poster, it will take you one step further away from being a shitposter (only like 800 more steps to go rofl)

Does dreaming count?

I've gotten really good at it, it's so enjoyable, like you go off on an adventure everytime you sleep. I can even control some aspects if I do it right.

Does anyone else hate how always, at the very best part of a dream, someone wakes you up?

I've done lsd about 3 times and it was pretty amazing the first two times, whilst the latter time was about 6 hours of pure immeasurable anxiety :(

When I get really stressed out or really high of weed, I see faint M C Esher lizard patterns and mayan artwork on the carpets and walls.

I would recommend it, but I think it's done permanent damage to my brain.

>>9505020

I rarely ever see a post on 4chan that actually makes me upset.

I seriously fucking do not like you at all, and I wish I would never have to see another post made by you again. Fucking prick.

Playing Touhou or watching animeon acid could be pretty amazing.

>>9505020
>>9505033
Stop upsetting me, guys.

>>9505024
>someone wakes you up?
No, because I'm not a fucking loser who still lives with monny

>>9505033

Well yeah, that was kind of the point. Enjoy your ``epic butthurt''. Attached is a realistic depiction of my facial expression at the time of reading your post. I've heard such pictures are popular over on the boards you came from.

>>9505045
right = me
left = u

>>9505033

Please do not use bully words.

"Frigging" or "Fugging" are acceptable alternatives.
Please replace "prick" with "pickle" as well.

Thank you.

Did shrooms once.. If I recall correctly, got somewhere between Level 2 and Level 3. Was kinda fun, Would do it again.

>>9504873
Good thing it wasn't Datura or nightshade.

Those are like what you describe, except the experience lasts for 3 days.

>>9505033
The feeling is undoubtedly mutual.

>>9505033
>I wish I would never have to see another post made by you again.
I'm sure many people return the feeling.

>>9505073
>>9505070
Stop replying.

Is it really so mind-numbingly difficult to ignore obvious shitposting? Are you literally incapable of staying on topic? Don't ruin a good thread.

>>9505076

>Is it really so mind-numbingly difficult to ignore obvious shitposting?

your right, thanks for showing us the way with the great example your setting now*

*fugging sarcastic LOL

I'm a shaman and ninja and have engaged in all sorts of psychedelic stuff. I also have autism.

>>9505058
>Datura
I remember reading some crazy shit about that on http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Datura.shtml.. It sounds fucking horrible.

>>9505076
No. I am capable of remaining on-topic. I just chose not to. It's not a particularly great thread anyway.

>>9505033
Took the words out of my mouth

>>9504995

Why do people think that drugs cost large amounts of money or require going outside and having friends?

Any drug you want can be purchased off silkroad and you can legally purchase mushroom spores and buy the very simple equipment needed to grow them for no more than 50 dollars.

That's 50 dollars for what's basically an unlimited supply of mushrooms. It's hardly breaking the bank.

I guess 5, since I've smoked a fuck ton of DMT, but usually I prefer to be at about a 2. DMT trips are so radically different it's hard to compare them to high level LSD or psilo 4's though

>>9505089

Because they are dumb as fuck and incapable of actually researching things before they foam at the mouth and run around screaming false accusations like morons

See >>9504995

>>9505089

Wish I could use Psychedelics but the only drugs avaible in my country are pretty much coke and weed. I am a diagnosed schizoid, there is a chance I could have latent schizophrenia, I already spend a third of my day trapped in my mind having very vivid fantasies/daydreams, many of them violent, and sometimes when I go to bed they don`t let me sleep and sometimes I hear things that aren`t there during the night.

>>9505097
epic reaction image /b/ro

>>9505089
>50 dollars

>>9505104
EPIC REACTION IMAGE /b/RO

>>9505105

>>9505106
nice
epic
i like it

>>9505089

I'm scared of silkroad and mushrooms look too phallic for me to consume.

>>9505105
mfw i red ur post

>>9505089
>>9505101
Is that how you did it? By purchasing unknown substances from the internet and gambling on whether or not the item you put in your mouth will be the last thing you ever eat?

You'd think a /jp/er would be spending hefty sums of cash like $50 on figures, not normalfag garbage like mushrooms.

>>9505121

You'd think a ``/jp/er'' would be open minded about others having interests they don't share instead of acting like a judgemental little prick and shoving their opinions down everyone's throat, i.e. normalfag behaviour

>>9505116
>>look too phallic for me to consume.

I doubt anything is 'too' phallic for you haha. mfw

>>9505126
ya how dare he hurt our feelings by calling us normalfags for buying stuff only normal people can afford >_______<

>>9505129

Things that are cheaper than a decent fig collection you mean.
Also MUCH cheaper than dolls, kigurumi and all that other normalfag (according to you) shit.
Hey friend, go take a look at our recent room thread. Did any of that look cheap?

Why are NEETs such whiny little assholes? Please go away.

>>9505129
you can afford to buy drugs with welfare money just as much as you can with money you actually earned

>>9505134
Why group all NEETs into idiots like him?

>>9505129
Wow, you sure owned him.

>>9505121

>By purchasing unknown substances from the internet and gambling on whether or not the item you put in your mouth will be the last thing you ever eat?
>unknown substances

What? It's a syringe of mushroom spores that you use to grow mushrooms inside of a plastic container. You can easily identify the type of mushroom and confirm that it is the mushroom species that you ordered.

You're ordering mushroom spores from completely legal websites, it's not like they're going to send you an envelope filled with anthrax. There's no gamble here. It's not going to be, "the last thing you ever eat"

>>9505136

Oh I'm not, of course I only mean the vocal ones like him. But when they are vocal they are REALLY fucking vocal. Just like the cocksuckers are annoying whilst the quiet homosexuals are fine. It's almost as if loud people are irritating*

*they are lol

The logic of some people in this thread is astounding. I mean you're normal if you can afford drugs which are cheaper than stuff like figures and dolls? What the fuck is that?

>>9505129

>for buying stuff only normal people can afford
>50 dollars

Most decent figures cost nearly twice that much. Dolls cost several times that much. 50 dollars is less than the price of one new video game.

You can make that much in a week or two just from spending 10 minutes a day doing some surveys.

>>9505141
All true NEETs live entirely off a thousand calories of oats designed for animal feed every day, so as to not impact the figure budget by two dollars. Luxuries like drinking, drugs, tea, and food designed for human consumption are right out.

If you want to bitch about the thread, bitch that it's off-topic and therefore shitty, whereas the other consumption threads are actually otaku-culture-related and get a free pass.

I wish the guy I like ordering from would update his stock, no I don't want any cocaine faggot.

>>9505141
>>9505143
>>9505134
>>9505135
>>9505148
>afford: a : to manage to bear without serious detriment <you can't afford to neglect your health>
Of course, you all took it literally in a desperate attempt to cover up the fact that a friend (notably one that you managed to make in real life) was the one who introduced you to drugs and the proper means to get them.

Cry more, normalfags. Next time, tell me about the one where it was your mom who accidentally set you up with a dealer.

>>9505157
Yeah, nobody in /jp/ ever had any casual acquaintances, ever.

>>9505157
Yeah a friend did introduce me to a way to get drugs, it was /jp/ and the way was the internet.

>>9505157

>Cry more

Great meme /b/ro but you're just making yourself look even more stupid with each post

>>9505150

>are actually otaku-culture-related

Why aren't drugs otaku-culture-related?

Psychedelics make everything you mentioned more enjoyable. I own quite a few figures and playing with them enhances the experience so much when you're under the influence of a mind altering drug. It's incredibly enjoyable. You get more value out of your figures by enjoying them under the influence of a psychedelic, it's almost like they come to life.

I'm waiting for someone in this thread to suggest somebody to drink bleach for a quick high.

>>9505168
>Why aren't drugs otaku-culture-related?

>>9505168
Why the fuck would they be otaku culture related? Eating also enhances the quality of life, as opposed to not eating, but that doesn't make eating otaku culture related. This thread is as on topic as your average anime thread and that's why I don't really give a shit about it.

>>9505171

>>9505174

>Why the fuck would they be otaku culture related?

Escapism, psychedelic/surreal traits are used often in otaku media

Also food can be otaku culture, go look at /20/

>>9505184
ｄｅｌ

>>9505186
Anything can be otaku culture. The guy with 10,000 vinyls in his room and the person who knows everything there is to know trains are both otaku, but not for the purposes of posting in /jp/.

>>9505157

>to cover up the fact that a friend (notably one that you managed to make in real life) was the one who introduced you to drugs and the proper means to get them.

Most normals don't even know how to get drugs off the internet. They wouldn't even bother with silkroad because the whole thing is basically for people who are too reclusive to know drug dealers, no one would pay those prices if they knew a real drug dealer.

I was homeschooled for most of my education, I have been a shut-in for about 7 years now, and I don't have a single friend in the world. No one introduced me to drugs like you seem to be assuming.

Why do you think that you need to be introduced to drugs like they're some kind of mystery or secret club? Everyone knows about drugs, you're a google search away from finding more information about any drug in the world than anything a friend could tell you.

I grow every drug I have and no socialization was required for any of it. Growing mushrooms next to my computer, extracting DMT from reed canarygrass that I grow in my garden, etc.

Acquiring drugs is much easier than you seem to believe and it requires no socialization whatsoever.

>>9505199
The bigger problem lies wherein just about everybody on /jp/ is more interested in pursuing hobbies related to Otaku Culture or shitposting, rather than botany or drug culture.

Level 4 reporting in! HPPD isn't very fun!

>>9505174

>Eating also enhances the quality of life

Eating doesn't enhance the enjoyment that you gain from otaku culture related things though. Have you ever eaten some pizza that made you feel an intense emotional connection with your fumo? So intense that you just wanted to hug her for hours because you could feel that she was alive and it felt like her spirit was communicating with you. Pizza isn't going to do that.

>>9505211
You must eat some shitty pizza.

>>9505204
>The bigger problem lies wherein just about everybody on /jp/ is more interested in pursuing hobbies related to Otaku Culture or shitposting

So shitposting is a-okay up there with otaku culture but talking about drugs and using them as a form of escapism, something which NEETs like to do, isn't?

>>9505207
How does it manifest for you? What did you take?

>>9505216
who the fuck would rather have jp be full of r9k shit like this

Why is it that we can have huge threads about drinking various types of alcohol and no arguments ever happen but there is always an argument in any drug thread?

>>9505216
>, something which NEETs like to do, isn't?
Who cares about what NEETs like. Some NEETs and hanging on the street like trash. Some NEETs like pursuing otaku culture related hobbies. Some NEETs like to seclude themselves completely.
Whatever. I wish /jp/ would stop with the retarded truNEET shit now.

>>9505224
Because I was asleep for the last few alcoshit threads.

>>9505220
I took an insanely stupid dose of AM-2201. The stupidest part was that beforehand I hadn't even smoked weed, my only experience with drugs was opium and DXM which aren't hallucinogenic in the way this shit is.

It 'manifested' because this shit literally turning me blind for an hour, all I could see was colors and patterns. They weren't 'on walls' or anything like people describe on LSD but rather 'on my eyeballs'. Additionally, it's hard to explain but imagine if your field of vision was shaking uncontrollably, as if you were moving your eyes up and down 500 times a second. That sensation also has a whooshing sound to accompany it. When I could finally see, everything looked liked I'd drawn it with a crayon.

>>9505221

>be full of r9k shit like this

Since when is /r9k/ shit related to drug use?

You guys have an extremely inaccurate view of normal people. Where did you get it into your heads that normals like drugs? They like drinking and that's it. Most normals see cigarettes as death sticks and they might smoke small amounts of weed if they're feeling "wild"

Anything past that falls strictly in the "EVIL DRUG! THIS WILL KILL YOU IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT IT!" category of their minds. Normals do not talk about drug use, especially not hallucinogens. By using any of these drugs you immediately become an outcast in the eyes of normal people.

>>9505221
Go make another 'wich 2hu is ur fav XD' thread.

>>9505248
Does 7chan still have an rx board? Go there.
Or go to 420chan if you can stomach Sparto.

/jp/ is for otaku culture, not 「NEET culture」.

>>9505251
2hushitposting can be tiresome but it is infinitely more related. Not that all discussion has to be related all the time, but don’t complain when people point out it doesn’t actually belong.

>>9505251
By responding to him like that, you act as if you're from /r9k/. That post he replied to was me but I chose to ignore it, as you should have done.

>>9505248
Is that why like everyone I knew in highschool would do things like snort stuff from pills in the middle of class

Seems like you're the one with an inaccurate view.

>>9505251
ok i just did

>>9505224
ZUN drinks alcohol, therefore it's otaku-culture related

>>9505275
Is that why there's so much shit on the board? Because ZUN also shits?

>>9505258

>would do things like snort stuff from pills in the middle of class

They were probably snorting adderall. Very common drug for normals since it makes them more productive, I doubt there is a single university in the U.S that isn't filled with people that are taking adderall, but it's a prescription drug and it's prescribed to basically anyone. Most normals are also on some anti-depressant.

Here's a full list.

Drugs that normals use: Alcohol, adderall, anti-depressants, cigarettes, occasionally weed.
Drugs that normals don't use: Everything else.

>>9505282
Yes

>>9505287
No no no, I'll do it:

Drugs that normals use: Alcohol, prescription drugs, pharmaceuticals, cigarettes, occasionally weed.
Drugs that normals don't use: Everything else.

>>9505287
>occasionally weed
>occasionally

We should kill ZUN, the board quality will finally go higher.

>>9505293
Fuck I forgot party pills, legal highs, salvia and coffee oh well absolutely nobody probably cares.

>>9505297

Some kids you saw in highschool don't count as a proper representation of normals. The number of people smoking weed drops off pretty quickly once they get to college and it drops off almost completely once they graduate and have to get a job.

It depends on where you live as well though. Weed is widely accepted in areas like California and not as accepted in other areas. Normals will happily do any drug that won't lower their social status, but they won't touch any drug that might lower their social status if their peers saw them doing it.

>>9505298

>salvia

This is something that I don't understand. Why do normals dabble in salvia, but they won't even consider shrooms or LSD?

Salvia is far more likely to scare the shit out of you. It seems strange that they would jump into that without much hesitation, but they're nervous about shrooms or LSD.

>>9505339
Cause it's legal so it must be ok

>>9505339
because salvia is (was) legal in mmost places

>>9505275

>ZUN drinks alcohol, therefore it's otaku-culture related

Magic mushrooms were completely legal, openly sold and easy to find in markets all over Japan up until 2002. What are the chances that ZUN didn't take mushrooms back then?

>>9505248

I've personally know very social people with lots of friends, who are definitely "normalfags" by everyone's standards here, who love doing shit like smoking crack for 4 hours straight while on RC's and benzos.

Drug use is generally a normalfag thing, even hard drug use. You don't know shit if you think otherwise.

Haha, no.
I work at a facility that builds drones for the government and I can tell you that nearly a whole department of grown men, ages 25 to 40 partake in weed.

Just the other day, my roommate who is almost 40 came home high as hell.

Why are we even on the internet? It's for normalfags.

>>9505369

>who are definitely "normalfags" by everyone's standards here
>by everyone's standards here

That's the main problem though. Normal is just becoming a label that people stick onto anyone that isn't a NEET. Those people you're mentioning are definitely not considered normal by normal people, they would be seen as crack fiends.

>>9505362
not to mention tons of research chemicals, many of which are still legal and easily purchasable in head shops or over the internet

where else would the idea of gensokyo have come from?

>>9505400

No, these people are normal through and through.

You wouldn't be able to tell they smoked crack unless they told you. They're the generic fratboy type people who clutter the streets of cities during spring break.

They are the normalfag.

Can we please cut through all of this bullshit and admit that the only reason that /jp/ isn't filled with drug addicts is because most of us are too scared to order drugs? It's delusional to think that /jp/ wouldn't be filled with addicts if drugs were easily available to them. These arguments have nothing to do with normalfags or health risks, it's just more fox and the grapes bullshit.

>>9505400
Normalfag here just means you're doing something the person doesn't like, you could be a real hikki, but watch something on your PC that normal people like and you'd be labelled as a massive normalfag. The problem is that the NEETs here and normalfags will have overlapping interests sometimes, people don't want to accept that though.

You guys didnt watch harold and kumar?
Weed is normalfags through and through.
Look at all the thrash teens movie? They just smoke weed, drink alcohol and fuck sluts.

>>9505369
We're talking about different drugs. A lot of psychonauts are very insular, private people. I'm not saying they don't socialize, many of them do, especially because there is a causative relationship between psychedelic use and "opening up." But many of them are doing it for entirely different reasons than the methheads and the crackheads and the stoners and the coke-addicted businessmen and the blue-collar barhounds and the ravers. I would hardly call somebody who keeps a trip diary or owns a print-copy of PIHKAL "normal" by any sense of the word.

>>9505418

I've already been addicted to drugs though, and now I have an strong fear of any psychoactive drug.

I would be terrified of taking amphetamines or smoking weed now. It would pretty much be impossible for me to become addicted to a drug again, even if I had all the drugs in the world. (unless it was forced into my body everyday against my will or some other stupid scenario)

truHIKKIs say no to drugs!

Weed is a normalfag drug. You can tell that it's a normalfag drug because it sucks.

There's nothing particularly good about weed, it's just a mix of the weakest traits of various types of drugs. The relaxation that weed gives is nothing compared to opiates, the mind-altering psychedelic properties are nothing compared to an actual psychedelic, and the relaxation is further worsened by the tendency it has to make you anxious and paranoid.

Weed is shit, just like alcohol and tobacco. Shitty waterdowned garbage that normals take when they're bored.

>>9505441
what drug were you addicted to? most psychedelics don't produce physical dependency the way pharmaceuticals like opiates or commonly prescribed ADD medications or even alcohol and nicotine are.

even psychologically speaking, for most of them, the effects they have on you make you less likely to want them again so soon after using

>>9505441

>I would be terrified of taking amphetamines or smoking weed now.

Why though? What were you addicted to? Amphetamines are so weak that they give them to children and weed is just shit. It's like being addicted to coffee, it's not powerful or enjoyable enough to really qualify as a proper addiction.

>>9505465

Benzos, amphetamines, alcohol, and cannabis.

> most psychedelics don't produce physical dependency the way pharmaceuticals like opiates or commonly prescribed ADD medications or even alcohol and nicotine are.

Why was this added in? Are you just talking to yourself and projecting or did you really think I don't know this?

>>mfw /jp/ thinks im a normalfag just because i have enough social skills to make friends and get connections to dealers and buy like 50 pounds of weeds and mushrooms and LCD

seriously, what DOESN'T constitute normalfag on this board? it's almost like everything i do falls under your draconian criteria!

Don't do drugs, please. I cannot be friends with drug users because they are a bad influence.

>>9505477
I assumed you didn't know it because if you did, your former experiences with addiction should have absolutely no bearing on your feelings towards drugs that don't cause physical dependency.

>>9505481
Greentext so funneh XD.

Just like how you normalfags find le greentext funney, /jp/ finds pretending to be loser floorshitter NEET funny as well.
Not happy with this, then get the fuck back to your own back nigger.

>>9505472

Go fuck yourself. They shouldn't be given to children, and just because they are doesn't mean amphetamines are a weak drug. Meth is an amphetamine, if I just said "meth" instead of amphetamines would you still say that? Methamphetamine is for all practical intents and purposes absolutely no different from the amphetamine/dextroamphetamine inside the Adderall given to children.

My brain has basically been fried from past drug use, it's extremely sensitive to any drug now. I'm on the verge of losing my mind completely even while I'm sober, something like cannabis would most likely trigger a serious little episode of psychosis and panicking.

>>9505481

>to make friends and get connections to dealers
>dealers

Why do normals do this? It makes no sense at all. You are being robbed and they're not even getting you anything good.

Grow your own weed and grow your own mushrooms. You get more for a fraction of the cost and you can choose the strain of the weed that you're going to grow so you won't be stuck with the typical shit weed that dealers are selling.

>>9505496

Why the fuck would you assume that?

That doesn't even make sense even if it was used in that context. You were literally just talking to yourself and projecting.

>>9505503

Maybe one day when you're not in highschool anymore you can live out that "I grow/produce every drug on Earth" fantasy, and it won't just be apart of a fictional persona you use online.

Just shut the fuck up about it already, jesus fucking christ.

>>9505506
>Why the fuck would you assume that?
because your post included your apprehension about using psychoactive drugs in a subordinate clause, the primary clause being one talking about your former experiences with addiction. that's the way subordinate clauses work, they imply a relationship to the primary clause

I don't understand what you mean mean about projective. what am I supposed to be projecting here? I don't have your irrational fears about drug use, so it can't be that, and clearly since I was demonstrating knowledge, it can't be ignorance that I'm projecting either. are you sure you aren't perhaps using the word incorrectly?

>>9505481
>/jp/ thinks im a normalfag just because i have enough social skills to make friends

Confirmed normalfag.

>>9505500

>Methamphetamine is for all practical intents and purposes absolutely no different from the amphetamine/dextroamphetamine inside the Adderall given to children.

This is not true at all. The difference in potency is night and day. I would know, I'm on amphetamines right now and I am most days. You can't even get physically addicted to this shit, I can take 50mg a day for months and then cold turkey and there's about a week of burnout and then you feel fine.

Your brain feels fried because of your benzo/alcohol withdrawal. Benzos are awful drugs that have barely any recreational value and they have a withdrawal that will rape your GABA receptors and possibly make you feel off for the rest of your life. The benzos are the reason that you feel so fucking awful. I'm not surprised, they're terrible drugs.

Don't blame the weed or the adderall though. Weed is shit and adderall is baby's first stimulant.

>>9505500
>Methamphetamine is for all practical intents and purposes absolutely no different from the amphetamine/dextroamphetamine inside the Adderall given to children
Actuall, yes, it is quite different.
It is much more potent for one, the effects are subtly different, last longer and it's more harmful for your brain. MDMA is an amphetamine as well, but you're surely not going to claim it's the same.

>>9505516

Oh come on, it's weed and mushrooms. A retarded man could grow these things. If you have an empty wardrobe, a few basic tools, some carbon filters, a few lights, and seeds that you order off the internet then you can grow weed. It's simple, the smell is the only issue which is solved by the carbon filters.

Mushrooms are even easier. You need a plastic container, some jars, a syringe of spores, vermiculite, and some brown rice flour. It pretty much grows itself.

You don't need to be some drug kingpin to do this. It's harder to grow strawberries than it is to grow either of these.

>>9505531
>You can't even get physically addicted to this shit, I can take 50mg a day for months and then cold turkey and there's about a week of burnout and then you feel fine.
That's what physical dependence is. You feel like shit without the drug. It's very possible to develop dependence on stimulants. Even caffeine does the trick.
And 50mg a day isn't even a high dose. Real addicts do much more.

The place where I get my buttcoins from isn't accept UK deposits now ;_; I had a plan for everything and this just threw a spanner in the works.

>>9505523

My post included apprehension about using psychoactive drugs, that is true.

I just used amphetamines and weed as an example for things I would be afraid of. Nothing else. Then you fabricated this strange fact in your imagination, that I said psychedelic drugs are physically addicting, even though it was never even implied in any of my posts. Then went on to argue with yourself about it.

Maybe you should lay off the drugs you delusional dipshit.

>>9505531

I swear to fucking god if you tell me one more fucking condescending thing about drugs I already know. I was fucking addicted to benzos, and you're sitting there lecturing me on what benzo withdrawals can do? Like I don't fucking already know everything there is to possibly know on benzo withdrawals? Goddamn you're a little prick.

I hope you fucking overdose and die you little dumb piece of 16 year old shit.

I've done fairly clean meth before, and plenty of prescription amphetamines. I prefer Rx amphetamines, to me they were more addictive, the high was smoother and cleaner, and relative to the dose can be just as intense or more intense than meth. Take away the methyl group from methamphetamine and you're just left with amphetamine, it really is the same fucking thing.

>>9505545

MDMA is not an amphetamine. If you don't even know what you're talking about shut the fuck up.

>>9505572

Did I ever say cultivating cannabis or psilocybin mushrooms was hard? DID I EVER SAY THAT?

Oh I didn't? THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ANSWERING LIKE I DID?

Pretentious little fucking 16 year old.

>>9505576
>I was fucking addicted to benzos
>I hope you fucking overdose and die you little dumb piece of 16 year old shit
see, now THIS is what projecting looks like. you had a problem with drugs that you couldn't handle, you assume other people are going to not be able to handle drugs either

Okay well, this is why drug threads are bad, people just try to one up each other on their "drug experience". No one takes it easy here, at least in some off topic threads there's a chilled atmosphere rather than people flinging shit at each other.

>>9505590

That's not projecting. It's just me telling you that I hope you fucking overdose.

I never assumed you couldn't "handle" a drug. If I ever said that, please point it out, please point out where I implied that you "couldn't handle a drug"?

What's that? I never implied that and you're just creating delusions in your head again about things people never actually said?

>>9505601
>No one takes it easy here, at least in some off topic threads there's a chilled atmosphere rather than people flinging shit at each other.
It's good for people to flame each other from time to time. Things get boring when all you do is tolerate everything everyone says, no matter what it is.

>>9505488
consider suicide

>>9505603
You implied that he couldn't handle a gram of heroin.

>>9505576

>Like I don't fucking already know everything there is to possibly know on benzo withdrawals?

If you already know then why are you blaming your fucked up mental state on drugs that have nothing to do with your problems?

You got addicted to an archaic sedative that most doctors won't even prescribe anymore and your brain is fucked up. That's all there is to it, no big surprise there. The amphetamines have nothing to do with your mental state and the weed certainly doesn't.

>and relative to the dose can be just as intense or more intense than meth

How is it "the same fucking thing" when you have to take ridiculous amounts of amphetamines to get anything that resembles a meth high? Adderall is similar to meth in the same way that fucking vicodin is similar to heroin. They're both opiates, but there is a world of difference in potency.

Level 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uFzhEDdexc

I've grown B. Caapi, Psychotria Viridis and San Pedro since before 4chan existed. Having said that, I don't recommend the drug experience at all.

A generation of burned out hippies aren't burned out and begging for money for no reason. Drug use leads nowhere and while depression may get cleared up for a time, it always comes back to cripple you. Stonrger each time.

>>9505576
It is an amphetamine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_amphetamine
Just because it's not a (pure) stimulant doesn't mean it's not an amphetamine.

>Take away the methyl group from methamphetamine and you're just left with amphetamine, it really is the same fucking thing.
That methyl group makes a difference. It makes methamphetamine cross the blood-brain barrier much more easily due to better solubility in fat. For example MDMA is MDA with a methyl group, same as methamphetamine and amphetamine. Except MDA is much more psychedelic and dopier in it's effects, a very obvious difference. Every heard of the 2C-class of psychedelics? There's dozens of them with their own unique effects and most of them differ only by a single atom in the carbon ring. Some of them are not even psychoactive at all.

>>9505592

>Did I ever say cultivating cannabis or psilocybin mushrooms was hard? DID I EVER SAY THAT?

So what was your point then? Seeds and spores can both be acquired legally with no effort at all and the growing is incredibly simple and cheap. Anyone can do it.

There's no excuse for buying mushrooms or weed off a dealer when you can just grow it and save money/get a better quality product. That was the whole point of my initial post that you responded to.

>>9505642
Your initial post pretty stated that it made no sense to know a dealer.

>>9505642
Your initial post stated that it made no sense to know a dealer.

>>9505642

>Seeds and spores can both be acquired legally with no effort at all and the growing is incredibly simple and cheap. Anyone can do it.

>There's no excuse for buying mushrooms or weed off a dealer when you can just grow it and save money/get a bettser quality product. That was the whole point of my initial post that you responded to.

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING TO?

WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN AND SAYING THINGS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE POST YOU ARE REPLYING TO?

>>9505653

The guy mentioned that he was buying mushrooms and weed off dealers. I responded with

>You are being robbed and they're not even giving you anything good.

Which is completely true. You're paying prohibition prices for a drug that is so simple to grow that it would cost a fraction of the price if it was legalized. the quality is also often shit. It makes no sense at all to buy weed or mushrooms from a dealer when you can grow it.

If you want weed and mushrooms then it does make no sense to know a dealer.

>>9505634

So you gave a link basically confirming the fact that MDMA isn't an amphetamine?

Good one.

>>9505679

How fucked up is your head from those benzos? Have you completely lost your short-term memory?

I'll help you out, look at the posts:

>>9505481 (initial post)
>>9505503 (my response)
>>9505516 (you responding to me)
>>9505572 (me responding to you)
>>9505592 (you responding to me)
>>9505679 (your confused and disoriented capslock response)

>>9505621

I love how you PRETEND to act like you know me, the details of my past drug use, or what exactly the reprecussions of my drug user are.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about when it comes to that, yet of course, you know fucking everything right? Nope, the drugs I used never once effected my brain, drug don't do that. Someone who is blaming a psychoactive drug for altering their mental state must be fucking retarded.

>The amphetamines have nothing to do with your mental state and the weed certainly doesn't.

Hey everyone, amphetamines and weed have absolutely no effect on your mental state at all.

Anyone who says otherwise is a dumbass.

>How is it "the same fucking thing" when you have to take ridiculous amounts of amphetamines to get anything that resembles a meth high?

I can get just as high, and even higher off prescription amphetamines as I can black market meth.

There is many people who actually prefer the high Rx amphetamines produce, and find Rx amphetamines more addictive. This basically boils down to preference.

The thing people are ignoring, assuming they have actually taken drugs, is that they are over-rated as fuck.

Weed doesn't make everything taste/sound/funnier. It just doesn't. The first 2 times? Maybe. After that you are just content and sitting in the back of your mind.

Speed/gas? Wow. So good. I am no sober and won't sleep for 24 hours.

LSD/Mescaline/even MDMA. The first few hours were 'different' but now it is getting old. I want to go to sleep and stop sweating.

DMT. A few months of confusion that ends up leaving you with the knowlesge that our experience of reality is ultimately so subjective that adding a chemical to the brain can completely fuck your perception of what is real or even imaginable. It is just a clusterfuck of confusion. High doses of mushrooms are the same.

Any NEET can try any of these drugs without knowing anyone. The only drug I even would consider recommending is bufo. You can make a lifetime supply for very little money and while it is very uncomfortable for the first dozen times eventually sinking into total hallucination is nice.

>>9505709

The problem is here. >>9505572

In that post, you went off on a tangent about how easy it is to cultivate cannabis/shrooms. Yet the post you were replying to, didn't even make the implication that he (I) thought they were hard to cultivate.

You were literally talking to yourself about how easy it is to grow. When that had nothing to do with the post you were replying to.

>>9505723
I made several spelling mistakes because I'm drunk. I apologise.

And also cocaine. It is expensive and very short lasting. I am a typical long haired neckbeard and when I did coke I had an 18 year old (when I was 24) wanting to go home with me and messaging me for weeks. So if that is your cup of tea I'd at least recommend coke. Everything else is shit.

>>9505723
>Weed doesn't make everything taste/sound/funnier. It just doesn't. The first 2 times? Maybe. After that you are just content and sitting in the back of your mind.

Really? I've been doing it for months and while I haven't experienced what I did in my first couple of times. When I watch things I become so much more immersed within them, when I play things I enjoy it so much more. It improves my enjoyment of everything by at least triple what it would normally be.

>>9505696
Please explain how it isn't. That link makes it clear it's an substituted amphetamine.
Unlike Methylphenidate, which isn't related to amphetamine at all and closer to cocaine if anything. Maybe you're confusing amphetamines with stimulants?

Level 0

>>9505717

Amphetamines will not have any long-term effect on your mental state. Obviously it does when you're high, coming down, or burned out for a week or two after stopping, but past that point it will not fuck up your head.

The benzos are to blame for your current mental problems. They're notorious for completely ruining anyone who uses them for long periods of time. You could have never taken any of the other drugs that you took and your head would feel just as permanently fucked up as it does right now.

>I can get just as high, and even higher off prescription amphetamines as I can black market meth.

Sure, when you're taking doses of amphetamines that are absurdly high. You can't anything resembling a meth high on adderall unless you're taking ridiculously huge amounts. When you have to swallow half the fucking bottle to feel a similar effect then it is not the same thing at all.

>>9505743

>In that post, you went off on a tangent about how easy it is to cultivate cannabis/shrooms. Yet the post you were replying to, didn't even make the implication that he (I) thought they were hard to cultivate.

I made the assumption that you assumed difficulty was the problem when you said

>Maybe one day when you're not in highschool anymore you can live out that "I grow/produce every drug on Earth" fantasy

Here you implied that it was somehow difficult to grow mushrooms and weed and if that's not what you were saying then what was the point of your first response?

There's no legal danger to ordering spores and seeds, there's no difficulty to growing, it's not expensive, so what were you saying?

>>9505856
He was implying that it's difficult to produce/grow every drug on earth that dealers can provide, not just shrooms and weed.

>>9505723
I was sooo disappointed after smoking cannabis for the first time when I found out it worsened things more than it enhanced it.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about that aspect in these threads? That most drugs are overrated garbage? Oh wait, I know, because everyone is always talking out of their ass.

I bet a million dollars that someone will reply to this post with something stupid like, "oh, maybe you smoked it wrong and that's why you didn't like it." Fuck off. I did do it right, and I was on Cloud 9.

>>9505814

Are you implying that I don't already know benzo withdrawals aren't known for fucking people up for years? Are you implying I'm not well aware it's primarily benzo/alcohol withdrawals that fucked me up? Are you implying I don't know more about benzo withdrawals than you? Are you implying I don't completely understand what benzo withdrawals can and cannot do to a human?

Ya, I think you're implying that. You need to stop it you little fucking shithead. By the way, long term amphetamine use can cause permanent brain damage, even if it's just mild. Along with many other drugs. If you're using a variety of drugs all the time for years on end, I guarantee it will cause some form of brain. Of course most likely not noticeable, but the point is, how exactly would you know whether or not you had mild brain damage resulting from that? Because you can't gauge how functional your brain would have been if you never used a psychoactive drug in your life.


>>9505856

Here you implied that it was somehow difficult to grow mushrooms and weed and if that's not what you were saying then what was the point of your first response?

I never implied they were difficult to grow in that post.

I'm merely saying I have a hunch that you're just some 16 year old faggot who likes to pretend he's a master drug cultivator online because he spent some time reading erowid/bluelight light posts.

>>9505876

No, that's not what I was getting at. I was really just insulting him for the way he sounds, plain and simple.

>>9505881
>Oh wait, I know, because everyone is always talking out of their ass.

Did you ever think that it could affect people differently and that people have different opinions?

>>9505907
If it's affecting them differently, then how come what they describe is exactly how I felt?

>>9505922

X generally effects X people X way, but some people don't get effected in X way and instead in another way.

If you get effected in X way, that does not mean everyone will get effected in X way under these circumstances.

OP IS THAT, LIKE, FOURTH PLATEAU O:

>>9505885

>Are you implying I'm not well aware it's primarily benzo/alcohol withdrawals that fucked me up?

So then why were you going on about amphetamines? Look at my first post that you responded to >>9505472 and then your response >>9505500 where you went on about how amphetamines are the same thing as meth and then immediately after you mentioned how your brain is completely fried and you're on the verge of losing your mind, both problems which have nothing to do with amphetamines or weed which were the drugs that I mentioned in the post that you responded to.

It was the implication that amphetamines contributed to your brain being fried that started this whole thing, but you already admit that it's just the benzos.

>who likes to pretend he's a master drug cultivator online because he spent some time reading erowid/bluelight light posts.

That's a pretty big assumption. Don't you think I would have mentioned something a bit more impressive than the two easiest to obtain and grow drugs if I wanted to seem like a "master drug cultivator" ? It's mushrooms and weed, I'm not synthesizing LSD in my closet.

>>9505881

>That most drugs are overrated garbage?

You smoked some weed and you're now making a sweeping generalization about every drug. Of course you were disappointed, most people are when they smoke weed after seeing all of those Cheech and Chong movies for years and hyping themselves up to thinking it's the best thing in the world.

At best weed is just a drug that's good for augmenting other drugs. Helps with stimulant comedowns, goes well in combination with opiates, goes well with mushrooms to enhance the visuals and ease the nausea, but it's underwhelming on its own.

>>9505881
You are completely right.

The people who talk about how great weed is are basically "addicted" to it, for lack of a better term.

I started smoking when I was 22 and hung out with stoners, get fucked up and watched anime all day for a couple of years. But after those first few times it just becomes nothing. It enhances meditation to a terrifying degree, but other than that. Meh. Just contentment and sitting in the back of your mind. That is all it did for me and everyone I know. And people say it isn't addictive? Myself and everyone I knew, couldn't eat until 3-4 in the afternoon until we were stoned. Night sweats, nightmares and insomnia were common if we couldn't get on. It is a totally shit drug, like most other drugs.

Speed is the shittiest of all drugs. It is like having too many coffees mixed with a mild psychotic episode. Most pointless and shitty drug of all time.

These days I get more out of noise played awfully loud.

>>9506032
Smoking cones when you are fucked on opiates is a stupid idea. I've done it a few times before and unless you want to sleep it is idiotic. I agree with him by the way and I've taken a lot of drugs, cooked my own DMT etc. It is over rated shit for the most part.

A real good drug enhancer in nitrous. Even on its own, pumping 3 bulbs is extremely "out there."

why is there so much anger in this thread? i thought drug people were laid back

>>9506105
Sadly not, but we can be laid back, how was your day anon? Did you have a nice relaxing day?

>>9506105
Why the fuck would you even say that?

This thread proves you wrong by your own admission you fucking stupid dick.

I'm sorry, I do love you

>>9505959

I still believe it was an accumulative effect of every drug I've used in the past. Just primarily being benzos that really drew the final straw and had the most impact.

> amphetamines are the same thing as meth

Meth IS an amphetamine you jackass.

>both problems which have nothing to do with amphetamines or weed

Exactly how the fuck do you know that? Seriously, you don;t think cannabis or amphetamines can negatively impact someone's brain or mental state? You're fucking delusional if you believe, or seriously indoctrinated by the type of people who say shit like "weed is safer than water".
>>9506105

No, the truth is they're mostly fucking
douchebags that like to pretend they know everything after reading posts on bluelight/erowid.

>>9506105

All the angry people in the thread were tweakers or ex-tweakers. Speed turns people into argumentative bullies.

>>9506133

Well, there's one dickhead sitting here telling me that it's impossible for amphetamines or cannabis to negatively impact someone's mental health or brain function. Yet still acting like he has any clue what he's talking about.

That is bound to make me angry.

>>9506140
Everyone knows both substances can totally fuck your life up.

I think weed should be legalized, even if it is just to stop idiots whining. But it certainly can fuck someones life up. And people who smoke for 30+ years are usually somewhat fucked in the head.

The egg in a frying pan scare tactics are equally as retarded as the high times weed advocates where it is 100% safe and never impacts on anyones life ever. The truth is somewhere in between.

>>9506162

I fully agree with everything except for this one little part;

>Everyone knows

Nope. apparently some people exist, who think it is absolutely 100% impossible for amphetamines or cannabis to negatively effect someone's mental state or brain function.

I'm crazy enough to visually hallucinate, feel a changing in the pace of time, and feel detached from my body until it feels impossible to move all on my own, thank you very much, and I'm scared of what any help from a substance would do.

>>9506185
I would recommend not taking drugs at all. Even alcohol potentiates dissociation and cannabis, mescaline etc make it far worse than even alcohol.

I'm speaking from experience. I don't know if you are joking or whatever, but I found those feeling and experiences very unpleasant to be sure.

>>9506129

>I still believe it was an accumulative effect of every drug I've used in the past. Just primarily being benzos that really drew the final straw and had the most impact.

Why though? It's like if you get hit by a fucking bus and then as you're flying through the air you happen to pass by a tree and cut your leg on a branch.

Bus = Benzos
Branch = Adderall

The permanent negative effect that the adderall or the weed would have had on you is so minuscule in comparison to the benzos that it's not even worth mentioning. I have never read anything to suggest that adderall would give you long-term brain damage, but if you abused the shit out of it so much that you were chasing meth highs on adderall then maybe you're the exception and it did do some small amount of harm to your head.

>Meth IS an amphetamine you jackass.

Come on, we already argued about this. There is a huge difference in potency and you will only feel a similar effect if you are taking a dose of adderall that is just obscenely huge. Prescription meth is called desoxyn, not adderall. Adderall is a combination of several weaker amphetamine salts and you can only get a similar effect by taking extremely large amounts of it.

>>9506203
No, I am not joking. I cannot even describe what I see in these hallucinations (really, I can't form them again in my head and can't describe them), but I am always left with a very strong and negative emotional and physical states. I can't imagine why anyone would want to replicate this.

>>9506203

Anon 1; "Hey guys I definitely don't want to use any drugs because I already feel crazy, and I'm well aware that they would intensify that".

Anon 2; "Yo I would recommend you don't use any drugs. Because I don't know if you know or not, but I heard they can intensify the effects of what you're feeling."

Echo-echo-cho-cho-o-o

>>9506206
Here is a fun fact.

Daily use of amphetamines or benzodiazepines or any other psychoactive substance will inevitably cause problems.

I'm not even the same guy but both drugs are totally fucked in equal but different ways.

>>9506224
Sounds like you are fucked in the head. Get some help before you kill someone.

>>9506206

>Bus = Benzos
>Branch = Adderall

I never said anything about just adderall, I said an accumulative effect of all the drugs I've used in the past.

If you seriously want to treat amphetamine like such a trivial thing that can never do any harm, which is something only a fucking moron would do, then go ahead, I hope you fucking have an aneurysm on them one day.

>but if you abused the shit out of it so much that you were chasing meth highs on adderall

I don't know if you read anything I posted. But I found Rx amphetamines to be more pleasurable than meth, and even though I had access to both black-market meth, I chose Rx amphetamines over it because the high they produced can be just as intense and in my opinion more pleasurable.

Rx amphetamines were more addictive to me than meth. I would only consider using meth if there wasn't Rx speed around, not the other way around. By the way, why are you explaining what adderall is as if I don't fucking already know?

If you ignore the fillers and just look at amphetamine vs. methamphetamine, you're GREATLY exaggerating the difference in potency by the way.

>>9506246
There is no need for /v/ tier posting.

Obviously he has some troubles but most of us do. I relate to him because I had similar experiences in the past. I never killed anyone but it wasn't "normal."

It felt like everything was a dream. Sometimes I felt like a marionette and not really controlling my own body.

But extreme anxiety often causes these feelings, just so you don't have to feel like you are real so stop worrying. Buy the brain is a retard because that is even scarier.

I just want to take it easy and okay Etrian Odyssey. Fuck P4A. Fucking Atlus.

I was pretty heavily addicted to whipits. I was huffing 50 or so a day for a while. They are so addictive because it is 30 seconds of total bliss and you instantly want to go back there.

>>9506246

He doesn't sound dangerous to me, asshole.

By "help" I'm sure you mean psychiatric "help" too, which basically translates to; "I hope you get locked up in a psych ward and force fed drugs until you're so retarded you can't be crazy".

In that case you sound more dangerous to society than him.

Wow this thread really did go downhill
>Retards arguing about how much amphetamines they've done like they still have a brain or an opinion worth listening to

You know, I thought this thread would be a nice change from all the 2hu shitposting we have, but no. Get the fuck out of /jp/

>>9506267

>If you seriously want to treat amphetamine like such a trivial thing that can never do any harm

They are a trivial thing that won't harm you if you are not a lunatic that abuses the shit out of the pills. When taken as prescribed there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking adderall, but if you decide that it'll be a fun idea to triple your dose then you might have some problems.

Adderall is not the problem, you are the problem. This is the annoying thing about reformed addicts, it's this all or nothing philosophy where you heap all the blame onto the drugs as if they are the incarnation of satan himself instead of realizing that the only reason they fucked you up so badly is because you were taking doses higher than any sane person would ever think of taking.

What exactly was your amphetamine dosage at?

>>9506300
it's just embarrassing.

>>9506299

>Adderall is not the problem, you are the problem.

You're putting words in my mouth. I take 100% full responsibility for what I did to my body with drugs, and put none, and I mean absolutely none of the blame on drugs. I am fully at fault for what I did to my body.

I see you finally revealed your true form by the way. Let me guess, you think amphetamines are actually your "medication" right? Fucking jackass.

This is entire time you were just getting mad because you want to feel like a "patient" for using amphetamines. That's why you were completely denying that you could get high off Rx amphetamines this whole time wasn't it?

Amphetamines aren't your "medication".

>What exactly was your amphetamine dosage at?

It's not like I took a set dosage everyday you jackass.

>>9506327

>This is entire time you were just getting mad because you want to feel like a "patient" for using amphetamines.

When did I say anything like this? Now you're the one putting words in my mouth.

I do not have ADHD, depression, or anything that would need to be treated with adderall. I take adderall solely because I like to feel energized and it makes things more enjoyable. I have a prescription which I got by pretending I have ADHD, but I'm not a patient and I have nothing which needs to be medicated.

Whether you have ADHD or not makes little difference though, the pills will effect your body in the same way and as long as you don't go above your prescribed dosage then you won't have health problems.

>It's not like I took a set dosage everyday you jackass.

Why are you avoiding the question? Just guess at it, you must know what your average dosage was when you were taking adderall.

Could you both just get a fucking room?

>>9506105
You get down on your knees and suck my dick, like masturbating me into your mouth and sucking me then my jism blows a huge crater out the back of your head, and your head falls off because no more connection to the spinal cord and I been pulling on your hair a lot. Little bitch I carve your face up with the screwdriver

tweakers pls go
we're talking about psychedelics not your gross drug

>>9506356

>I do not have ADHD

That's because no one does.

>pretending I have ADHD

How do you pretend to have something that doesn't exist?

>Just guess at it, you must know what your average dosage was when you were taking adderall.

Anywhere from 50mg to 100mg of Adderall to get high, I'm about 5ft9in and pretty skinny. Took about a .1g bump of meth to get an equivalent effect.

>>9506392
Who gives a shit about your crap?

>>9506412

Apparently that one guy since he asked twice.

>>9506392

>How do you pretend to have something that doesn't exist?

Go to any American doctor and read off a list of ADHD symptoms from wikipedia. It's not like they actually care, they prescribe it to anyone.

>50mg to 100mg of Adderall

No wonder it fucked you up. The maximum I take is 50mg for an entire day, which is just multiple smaller dosages spread out.

Plenty of enjoyment can come from adderall without getting high. You never become tolerant to the mood lift and energized feeling, I've been on the same exact dose almost every single day for years now and no tolerance has ever built up.

Adderall is perfectly safe for anyone to take as long as you don't chase the high.

>>9506370
bullies go away

>>9506425

>No wonder it fucked you up

Did you assume I was talking about taking commonly prescribed doses this entire time and then complaining that they fucked me up?

Are you illiterate, delusional, or just fucking retarded?

>Adderall is perfectly safe for anyone

Amphetamines aren't "safe" for anyone on Earth.

Maybe you just don't know what the word safe means.

First time I ever got high I ate a brownie (which contained about 0.25 g/piece) and reached level 2. Good times.

Blasted bathtub chemist fucks. I'd ordinarily tell you "go die in a fire," but I know you'd somehow take out a whole block in the process. You guys are the absolute worst faggots ever.

And Bill, since I know you're lurking this stupid thread if not participating in it, quit snorting your Ritalin, everybody can tell you're "on something," it's not fucking subtle at all. And the last guy we saw like you finally started barking about "black helicopters" and they called the cops. Or you know what, don't stop, just go do everybody a favor and just jump off a bridge already.

>>9506436

>Did you assume I was talking about taking commonly prescribed doses this entire time and then complaining that they fucked me up?

Of course not, but you can hardly preach about the dangers of adderall when you're taking doses that are well over the limit that any doctor would ever prescribe to anyone.

I still stand by what I first said when I mentioned that adderall is a weak stimulant, but pretty much any drug can get you high when taken in ridiculously large amounts.

>Are you illiterate, delusional, or just fucking retarded?

Why are you such an angry person? You say you're a reformed addict, but you speak like a crackhead on a comedown.

>Amphetamines aren't "safe" for anyone on Earth.

What's unsafe about a drug that does no permanent harm to you at all when taken at prescribed dosages?

Pure little girls don't do drugs.

But normalfags to

No wonder /jp/ is so shit. It's full of drug abusers.

>>9506467
Prescription drugs aren't "safe" even without abusing them. I managed to end up with permanent nerve damage from eating prescribed antibiotics for my condition.

>>9506471
Either that or people from /g/ trying to attract the feds to /jp/.

>>9506421
Who cares?

>>9506474

>Prescription drugs aren't "safe" even without abusing them.

That's true, but it depends on the prescription drug that you're taking. I see no real danger in adderall. Occasionally there's some kid with an existing heart problem who takes some adderall and just drops over dead, but for most people there's nothing to worry about if you don't abuse it.

SSRI withdrawal will always feel like hell and benzo withdrawal can ruin your life, even if you follow the prescribed dosages.

>>9506489
Why does this conversation you're having with yourself seem like kopipe?

>>9506486
I do

who let the fiends in?

this thread is filled with bad vibes

>>9506499
God damn i need to catch up on fringe.

As ex-drug addict you guys annoy me. You are like me when I was 13 and I know that trying to talk you out of it is useless.

i reached level 5 on MXE, the single most amazing drug experience i've had to date even though i remember very little of it

>>9506032
Uh huh. So I do some psychedelics and get disappointed again. Then what?

I can see how people get into cocaine and heroin now.

Oh and just BTW, I got a "level 5" on this bullshit leary scale just having a low blood sugar episode. Was worried as I was coming out of it that I had seized with my glasses on and managed to stab the ear piece into my brain and stirred it all up or some shit, lucky for me I hadn't. But the experience was totally fuckscrambled.

>>9506843
Not everyone here is stupid enough to become a full-blown addict, unlike you.

I am under the impression, after gone through the experience myself, that the relationship between drugs and schizophrenia stems not from brain damage but from the intensity of the experience itself. After having seen the world in such a manner, it becomes all the more evident that our own perception of the world is only the result of a particular chemical balance that is by no means necessary. It seems therefore logical to begin questioning the validity of our sensory experiences and how much information about the world can be gained through them.

>>9507573
Yeah keep telling that to yourself. I was not addict or anything. I just liked what I did. Where you get your stuff, what things come along the way? Think about that. Then think once more who you call stupid.

>>9507600

>>9507600

>Where you get your stuff, what things come along the way? Think about that.

>>9507765
>>9507651
Who are the most mature now? Haha...