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SO FUCKING CLOSE TO A KANJI FREE WORLD.

>In April, 1946, Naoya Shiga published an article in the magazine Kaizō titled kokugo mondai (国語問題 the national language problem?), which suggested that the Japanese language should be eradicated in favour of French, which he considered to be the most beautiful language in the world. On 12 November, the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper published an editorial concerning the abolition of kanji, and on 31 March, the first American Education Delegation arrived in Japan at the invitation of the SCAP and issued its first report. The report pointed out the difficulties concerning kanji use, and advocated the use of rōmaji, which they considered more convenient. As a result, the gradual abolition of kanji became official policy for the SCAP.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_script_reform

>> No.9480118

We already have an alternate history thread, please use that instead.

>> No.9480149

Vive la République, vive la France !

>> No.9480145

>>9480114
Why would anyone to read loli doujins in French?
>Ahhh! Mettez votre pénis dans mon cul!

>> No.9480151

& i was pretending someone was speaking to me today and i was explaining that i thought i could read french because it looks like english but its really not

>> No.9480181

French is a terrible language. Why would anyone want to speak it?

>> No.9480184

>>9480114
I bet this will work, just like when they tried the first time... oh wait.

>> No.9480197

If kanji had been abolished Japanese would just be Filipino 2.0

>> No.9480205

They should use Spanish instead of French.

>> No.9480210

I can't beat off to french doujins.

>> No.9480221

then all animu would look like wafku, or whatever that thing is called.

>> No.9480230

They have furigana for kanjis anyway, any do they even still need kanji?

They can keep their moon language, and get rid of kanji without switching to french.

>> No.9480241

>Replacing kanji with French
From one orthographic clusterfuck to the next.

>> No.9480251

French sucks

>> No.9480253

>>9480230

homophones, concise language, scripto continuum problem, etc.

>> No.9480265
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9480265

>in favour of French, which he considered to be the most beautiful language in the world.

>> No.9480276

Kanji is the only thing keeping written Japanese from being a completely incomprehensible mess.

How could switching to French for aesthetic reasons be a good idea? They should just make English the main language. It's already mandatory in their schools.

>> No.9480283
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9480283

>>9480251
This. French is the shittiest language ever created. Ever notice how much you say 'eh' when speaking it? Maybe that's why Canadians got mocked for it.

é
ais
ait
ai
es
est

All the same fucking sound. I'm conscious of it while speaking it, so much so that it distracts me and I came to hate the language. I want all of it to disappear out of my memory. I shit on the French language.

It's just not as dirty as German and not as beautiful as any other language. A shitty mongrel language.

>> No.9480303

Why can't we just go with hiragana and spaces?

>> No.9480308

>>9480265
Fais pas ton keke, tout le monde est d'accord pour reconnaître que l'anglais c'est moisi et loin d'être ce qui se fait de mieux. Le français c'est vachement plus subtil, ça autorise beaucoup plus de variations, toussa.

>> No.9480310

I'd kill myself if my nukige were in french

>> No.9480313

>Why can't we just go with hiragana and spaces?
If you think that is actually viable then you should kill yourself out of /jp/ and only return when you have relearned the Language of The God's.

>> No.9480321

>Japanese language should be eradicated in favour of French
you got to be an idiot to actually want that

That being said this will never go through.

>In April, 1946

>> No.9480323

Just use romaji.

>> No.9480325

What they should actually get rid of is katakana and replace with romaji.

>>9480303
The problem is the homophones. Kanji is the only thing giving you a clue into what's being said in the absence of context (when it's written).

>> No.9480333

>>9480325
Then the language is shitty. Use Latin or English.

>> No.9480338

>>9480333
>Latin

>> No.9480341

I always wanted to learn French so I could pretend to be French and not understand anyone else. Then nobody would try talking to me.

>> No.9480342

Nips don't have an issue with kanji only filthy gaijin seem to want it abolished so badly.

>> No.9480349

Don't know what you guys have against french
Only german can come near in beauty.

>> No.9480350

>>9480342
This

notice the picture in the op is probably some filthy french

>> No.9480358

>>9480333
>Then the language is shitty
I'm not saying it isn't. To switch to Latin, however, would just be stupid.

English is what they should switch to. It's the closest thing to a "global language" we have.

>> No.9480360

>>9480349
The french hate everyone and everything and think their shit smells like roses and everyone hates them so it all works out.

>> No.9480371

>>9480342
They did for a while untill texting got so popular that they can't even remember the stroke order for most of them. Now they fucking love their effortless kanji.

>> No.9480390

>>9480371
Well then they will just need to learn their kanji again then huh?

Being lazy with your language does not called for a whole language abolition bullshit program.

>> No.9480406

>>9480371
>effortless kanji.
Explain further

you mean a texting program they have on their phones or something?

>> No.9480409

>>9480349
>Don't know what you guys have against french
It's a language that favors aesthetic over practicality. It's also a useless language in the modern world.

>> No.9480415

>>9480409
nope, french communicates ideas better than english

>> No.9480423

>>9480415
How so?

>> No.9480431

Kanji can never be abolished. Japanese is a language with only 110 distinct syllables. Compare that to Korean, which has about 11,172. That's Korean switch to hungul while Japanese kept kanji even after kana was invented. If kanji was abolished, it would be impossible to distinguish words from each other. Chinese Mandarin has a better chance and getting rid of hanzi.

>> No.9480432

>>9480276
>Kanji is the only thing keeping written Japanese from being a completely incomprehensible mess.

Lots of Famicom-era RPGs used nothing but kana for their dialogues because of obvious hardware restrictions. If Japanese without kanji is really an incomprehensible mess as you mantain, how did people manage to play through those text-heavy games?

>> No.9480437

>>9480409
>It's also a useless language in the modern world.
You'd be surprised how many people speak French as second language but not English.

>> No.9480448

whatever mess kanji is, I have a feeling it'll be more of a mess with kana only. thought I guess English has many words that sound the same and we have no problem distinguishing them without the use of special symbols for each words

>> No.9480455

>38 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.
Kill yourselves out of /jp/.

>> No.9480456

>>9480432
Obviously through the context set up by the game. By itself, without kanji, you wouldn't be able to tell which homophone to pick.

>> No.9480450

It's always the people that don't understand Japanese that seem to argue for the ridding of Kanji. So amusing.

>> No.9480459

Bullshit I spent good time learning this language to have it thrown over with vocal diarrhea

>> No.9480476

>>9480437
>You'd be surprised how many people speak French as second language but not English.
Significantly less people learn French as a second language than they do English. There are more people that have English as a second language than people that speak French natively or as a second language combined.

>> No.9480477

>>9480432

They used a lot of katakana and simple language to make things a bit clearer.

>> No.9480485

French sounds disgusting.

>> No.9480487

>>9480432
Famicom-era RPGs also had super simple dialogue.

>> No.9480493

I hate this country for making French mandatory for nine years of school. Even if I bothered learning it, I would be mocked by actual French people because Quebec French is apparently retarded.

>> No.9480503

>>9480493
They don't teach Quebec French in school here dude.

>> No.9480508

>>9480487
The Japanese version of Shadowgate was infamously verbose for a game relying only on kana.

>> No.9480520

If you can't understand Japanese with just phonetic alphabet, then how do people talk to each other? Thread over, I win.

>> No.9480532

>>9480520
Right. So why do people need to learn how to spell words in English? It's not like you need to know how a word is spelt when you are verbally communicating with someone.

>> No.9480539

English is the only real global language.

>> No.9480540

>>9480503
I honestly don't know the difference or which one I was taught, but wouldn't that be awkward since the only real reason to teach French here is because of Quebec?

The point I'm getting at here is fuck French.

>> No.9480541

>>9480532
English uses a phonetic alphabet, just like Hiragana. What's the problem?

>> No.9480545

>>9480360
But but I like you anon ;_;

>> No.9480564

>>9480540
Just like when people teach English as a second language, they teach a standard form of English and not New York English, or some shit, in schools in Canada, they teach Parisian French. Either way, you make it sound like it's a big deal. You only have to learn it up to Grade 8, and prior to that, it's pretty much just easymodo anyway. I don't even remember learning anything. Are you still in high school or something?

>>9480541
English does not use phonetic spelling.

>> No.9480572

>>9480520
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's about CONTEXT, people know what you mean because they can read the situation. Imagine how much confusion we would have if "two", "to", and "too" were all spelled the same, our grammar was simpler, and we had no spaces. Now apply that confusion to the entire Japanese vocabulary. Written Japanese would be incomprehensible without kanji to tell you what means what.

>> No.9480573

>>9480564
English isn't a perfect language, but for the most part they use phonetic spelling.

>> No.9480586

>>9480572
Explain to me why it would be any different then talking though. You say context, but there is context with reading right? And two, to, and too are all said the same way.

>> No.9480594

>>9480572

How the fuck do they handle IRL dialogs then? Unless they talk via kanji there too

>> No.9480601

>>9480573
>for the most part they use phonetic spelling.
No we don't.

>> No.9480603

>>9480601
What do we use then?

>> No.9480631

>>9480586
With the way our grammar works, we are able to make out two, to, and too in speech. We also grasp its meaning by following the flow of the information. The problem with written Japanese is the amount of homophones for nouns, verbs, etc. Without a general direction, we can't understand what's written. Kanji tell us specifically what is being said.

>>9480594
Say you come across a homophone in Japanese (which you will), you know what's being said by what's going on around you. It depends on the situation. If you were to pull a random IRL dialogue and write it out without an accompanying picture or background info, it could mean a variety of different things.

>> No.9480642

>>9480603
Spelling in English is based mostly on tradition and has nothing to do with the sounds. Some words we spell today were spelt the way they are, because they used to be pronounced differently in the past, for example. If English used a phonetic spelling system, then the vowel 'a' would always be pronounced the same, regardless of the word. Hiragana is phonetic because あいうえお for example, are always pronounced the same, regardless.

You can see how a word is pronounced simply by looking at the kana, and you will always be right in it's pronunciation. You cannot do that with English.

>> No.9480648

>>9480601

Could you be any more retarded?

>> No.9480693

>>9480642
That's why I said it isn't perfect, but it is still phonetic, even if some letters have multiple pronunciations.

>> No.9480705

>>9480693
There isn't an inbetween. It either uses a phonetic spelling system or it doesn't. If we did, the words 'would' and 'wood' would not be spelt differently.

>> No.9480718

>>9480705
I guess hiragana isn't a phonetic alphabet either then, since は can be pronounced both ha, and wa in certain situations. No in between.

>> No.9480740

>>9480283

What's wrong with German?

>> No.9480746

>>9480718
Hiragana is not an 'alphabet'. And は when used to write a word, is always pronounced exactly the same way. It's separate use as a grammatical particle is not related to it's use in spelling words. Whenever you see a word that contains は, you know how it is pronounced.

>> No.9480754




です

>> No.9480758

>>9480746
し can be pronounced both 'shi' and 'sh', す can be pronounced both 'su' and 's', etc.

>> No.9480773

>>9480758
し is always pronounced as shi when by itself. And when it is before a t sound for example, like in the word した, it is always pronounced 'sh(i)ta'. Japanese is consistent. Unlike English.

>> No.9480781

>>9480773


>>9480648

>> No.9480788

>>9480781
I see you have no rebuttal. Understood.

>> No.9480799

>>9480788

>>9480648

>> No.9480803

>>9480773
There is a clear distinction in sound between す, and です. One sounds like 'su', and one sounds like 's'. Also not to mention my は argument already won, Hiragana is not phonetic.

>> No.9480816

>>9480693
Really, though. There are so many exceptions it renders the phonetic system useless. At the same time, though, to reduce the English language down to strict phonetic spellings would make it too confusing. I think it was Mark Twain who wrote a piece simplifying English into gibberish by removing "unnecessary" exceptions.

>>9480803
Of course it is, those are merely exceptions. The problem with English is that there seem to be more exceptions than words that follow the rule.

>> No.9480864

>>9480803
Hiragana is phonetic. You always know how something is pronounced by the kana. You always know when to drop the 'u' in su, or the 'i' in shi.

> my は argument already won, Hiragana is not phonetic.
Your "は argument"? I said that you can always know how a word is pronounced in Japanese by the kana. How does は's use as a particle change that? は is never pronounced as わ when in a word.

>> No.9480874

>>9480864
You could make the same argument for English then. You always know when t, h, and th, are different sounds for example.

>> No.9480875

The obvious solution to remove the kanji and use a triangle-based variant of the Hangul system.

>> No.9480880

>>9480450
>>9480450
>>9480450
>>9480450
>>9480450
>>9480450
>>9480450

>> No.9480905

>>9480874
>You could make the same argument for English then.
No you cannot. English spelling and pronunciation is learned through memorization. If you are learning English, and you see a word like science, for example, the only way you would know how to pronounce it, is if someone else told you or something.

This situation is commonly seen in the gaming community. Back before games were voiced, when people saw words they didn't know, they would decide how to pronounce it on their own, and you'd end up with situations where people would pronounce deku tree, or samus, etc incorrectly. Do you think something would ever happen like that in Japanese? Of course not. Because the language is phonetic, and you can know the pronunciation of a new word just by reading the kana.

>> No.9480937

I dont know a lot of japanese and little to no kanji and I can already see the amount of retards trying to argue about the language after when it has been properly explained to them.

>> No.9480948

>>9480864

>You always know when to drop the 'u' in su, or the 'i' in shi.

Please explain.

>> No.9480971

>>9480948

Oh wait, you can't. Because there's no rhyme or reason half the time for the dropped vowels.

>> No.9480990

>>9480948
"u" and "i" sounds are pronounced by closing the teeth together and either pushing lips inwards or outwards respectively. Because of this, it's sometimes hard to hear the sound of person's voice, so the syllable becomes voiceless.

>> No.9480998

>>9480971
Please tell me you're joking. It is very consistent. I cannot think of any examples where the vowels i or u are not devoiced when coming before consonants like t or k.

>> No.9481013

>>9480874
"th" does not always make the same sound.

>> No.9481018

Kanji free world? Are you fucking kidding me, nigger?

Kanji is one of the most interesting parts of Japanese, it almost makes me want to learn Chinese. Kanji makes stuff easier to read because the meanings are more clear, and if you 12yo weeaboos are bitching because your ADD didn't let you learn one of the most important parts of the language, it's not my fault.

Kanji is also fun to write and it saves a lot of space. I can't imagine a newspaper written completely in hiragana. It'd take 5 lines to write a decent headline in kana.

>> No.9481028

>>9481018
>12yo weeaboos
It's not the weeaboos complaining about this...

>> No.9481024

>>9480998
And what about です where they are devoiced for no reason?

>> No.9481031

>>9480937
What's funny is you only need to learn a handful of kanji to see how many onyomi are repeated.

>>9480971
It's not that hard. From what I can see, you drop the "u" if it ends with "su" and drop the "i" when shi is followed by any "t-". ん becomes "m" when followed by a "p-".

This isn't a case like "i before e except after c and fuck this rule because it will never apply when you think it should".

>> No.9481038

English is a shitty language too, not just french. Русский is a better idea.

>> No.9481061

>>9481024
What do you mean? Su is devoiced when it is at the end of a word. When is it ever not?

>> No.9481064

>defending outdated backwards kanji


The rest of the world tongues work without kanji. Do you really believe Japanese is some kind of magic special intricate language that won't?.

>> No.9481077

>>9481064
Hovercars work without wheels. What makes you think the others won't?

>> No.9481085

>>9481064
>outdated backwards kanji
It's funny because it's not

>> No.9481086

>>9480971
I don't know SHIT about Japanese, but isn't that the point? It's just people slurring their words or talking quickly. It's not like it's incorrect to say desu rather than dess, right?

>> No.9481105

>>9481086
>I don't know SHIT about Japanese
We need a kanji captcha.

>> No.9481109

>>9481031
doesn't that ん thing have more to do with romaji than actual pronunciation?

>> No.9481120

>>9481086

No, it isn't incorrect, but in japanese u's and i's don't have strong sounds and sometimes in words they are barely pronounced. But there are dialects that are the opposite, and emphasize the U in Desu.

However if you go around saying Desu instead of Dess, people will think you're fruity.

>> No.9481126

>>9481105
lool get fucked virgin. Some of us are too busy for that shit.

>> No.9481129

>>9481109
I don't think so. It's the natural sound you make when you end a syllable with n and begin one with "p".

Consider "tenpura/tempura". The p causes your mouth to make a "m" sound.

>> No.9481162

>>9481126
Good, you can go be "busy" and never come back or get buttfrustrated at trying to get the captcha which you never will.

>> No.9481179

>>9481162
I'm not>>9481126, but I am >>9481086
If kanji captcha ever got implemented I would just use an IME to draw each kanji.

>> No.9483005

>>9480197
that doesnt even make any sense

>> No.9483029

>>9480114
>French
>the most beautiful language in the world

lel

>> No.9483033

>>9481018
>Kanji is also fun to write and it saves a lot of space.
get a load of this weeaboo

>> No.9483055

Ah ! Non ! C'est un peu court, jeune homme !
On pouvait dire... oh ! Dieu ! ... bien des choses en somme...
En variant le ton, —par exemple, tenez :
Agressif : « moi, monsieur, si j'avais un tel nez,
Il faudrait sur le champ que je me l'amputasse ! »
Amical : « mais il doit tremper dans votre tasse :
Pour boire, faites-vous fabriquer un hanap ! »
Descriptif : « c'est un roc ! ... c'est un pic... c'est un cap !
Que dis-je, c'est un cap ? ... c'est une péninsule ! »
Curieux : « de quoi sert cette oblongue capsule ?
D'écritoire, monsieur, ou de boîte à ciseaux ? »
Gracieux : « aimez-vous à ce point les oiseaux
Que paternellement vous vous préoccupâtes
De tendre ce perchoir à leurs petites pattes ? »
Truculent : « ça, monsieur, lorsque vous pétunez,
La vapeur du tabac vous sort-elle du nez
Sans qu'un voisin ne crie au feu de cheminée ? »
Prévenant : « gardez-vous, votre tête entraînée
Par ce poids, de tomber en avant sur le sol ! »
Tendre : « faites-lui faire un petit parasol
De peur que sa couleur au soleil ne se fane ! »
Pédant : « l'animal seul, monsieur, qu'Aristophane
Appelle hippocampelephantocamélos
Dut avoir sous le front tant de chair sur tant d'os ! »
Cavalier : « quoi, l'ami, ce croc est à la mode ?
Pour pendre son chapeau c'est vraiment très commode ! »
Emphatique : « aucun vent ne peut, nez magistral,
T'enrhumer tout entier, excepté le mistral ! »
Dramatique : « c'est la Mer Rouge quand il saigne ! »

>> No.9483057

>>9483055
Admiratif : « pour un parfumeur, quelle enseigne ! »
Lyrique : « est-ce une conque, êtes-vous un triton ? »
Naïf : « ce monument, quand le visite-t-on ? »
Respectueux : « souffrez, monsieur, qu'on vous salue,
C'est là ce qui s'appelle avoir pignon sur rue ! »
Campagnard : « hé, ardé ! C'est-y un nez ? Nanain !
C'est queuqu'navet géant ou ben queuqu'melon nain ! »
Militaire : « pointez contre cavalerie ! »
Pratique : « voulez-vous le mettre en loterie ?
Assurément, monsieur, ce sera le gros lot ! »
Enfin parodiant Pyrame en un sanglot :
« Le voilà donc ce nez qui des traits de son maître
A détruit l'harmonie ! Il en rougit, le traître ! »
—Voilà ce qu'à peu près, mon cher, vous m'auriez dit
Si vous aviez un peu de lettres et d'esprit :
Mais d'esprit, ô le plus lamentable des êtres,
Vous n'en eûtes jamais un atome, et de lettres
Vous n'avez que les trois qui forment le mot : sot !
Eussiez-vous eu, d'ailleurs, l'invention qu'il faut
Pour pouvoir là, devant ces nobles galeries,
Me servir toutes ces folles plaisanteries,
Que vous n'en eussiez pas articulé le quart
De la moitié du commencement d'une, car
Je me les sers moi-même, avec assez de verve,
Mais je ne permets pas qu'un autre me les serve.

>> No.9483063

Such ambiguity is particularly problematic in the case of homographs with different pronunciations that vary according to context, such as bow, desert, live, read, tear, wind, and wound. Ambiguous words like these make it needful to learn the right context in which to use the different pronunciations and this raises the difficulty of learning to read English.

>> No.9483170 [DELETED] 

I for one think this is one of the best written languages, Once you know how it works Its very easy to read (although understanding what you are reading is quite a bit harder for me)

Kanji itself is just quite complex to learn, nut if you follow the radicals you can find the meaning behind the word which is unlike any other language (excluding both forms of Chinese for obvious reasons)

>> No.9483179

>>9483055
>amputasse
Y a pas mieux que l'imparfait du subjonctif.

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9483180

I for one think this is one of the best written languages, Once you know how it works Its very easy to read (although understanding what you are reading is quite a bit harder for me)

Kanji itself is just quite complex to learn, nut if you follow the radicals you can find the meaning behind the word which is unlike any other language (excluding both forms of Chinese for obvious reasons)

>> No.9483212

They should replace it with a total use of Hiragana and Katakana.

Why switching to Romaji if they have kana?

>> No.9483230

>>9483212

They would need to add spaces at that point. As currently when reading Japanese you often need the change of hiragan, katakana and kanji to tell words apart.

>> No.9483250

>>9483230
As i was learning all those years back, i use to put a half space after every particle.

Only bad thing abot removing kanji would be the easy ones like one to ten and such, not that they are used anyway

>> No.9483261

ITT: People who don't know Japanese arguing about Japanese.

(´・ω・`)ぶち殺すぞ

>> No.9483321

So glad it didn't happen. French is an abomination of a language.

>> No.9483377

>>9483261
shut the fuck up gook

>> No.9483475

>>9480740
Nothing wrong with German. It's a sexy language. I feel like a filthy slut speaking it and get turned on listening to it. The perfect /jp/ would be German with lots of vocaroo threads talking about lewd things. French doesn't even have that quality, it just sounds faggotish eh-ery.

>> No.9483517

>>9480532
there their they're
but butt
fat FAT phat
pale pail
i could go on and on, do you understand what homophones are now?

>> No.9483537

>>9483517

Isn't that exactly what he said?

>there their they're

It's hilarious how many people get this wrong. They will be spelled all the same in a few decads, degenerating the English language even more.

>> No.9483591

>>9483537
Just like Americans couldn't remember how to spell Aluminium so they replaced it with Aluminum to the dictionary. Or just like how American's don't know the difference between then and than, so you see them shitposting things like 'greater then', 'more then', 'better then', etc. So I predict that in less than 5 years, America will replace than with then, in the dictionary.

>> No.9483608

Japanese should switch to Tagalog, a magnificent unique and classical language for culturally enriched asian nations such as themselves.

>> No.9483615

>>9483591
*in the dictionary

Also, we should have just been forced to learn Mandarin, since it's a better language and so many people speak it.

>> No.9483617

>>9483591
But you forgot to mention the most notorious example of this. About 1% of all people I've seen spell "bestiality" get it right. There's only one "a" in the word, fuckheads.

>> No.9483620

>>9480145
This.

I'd have to translate the fucker to english or something to be able to fap.
Either that or it'd have to be written by someone with actual writer skills.


>>9480520
this

>>9480532
Because english spelling doesn't make any fucking sense.

through, cough, drough, tough, bought, though, dough.

>> No.9483634
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>>9483617
What about 'pedophilia'? The love of feet.

Too difficult to remember paedo, that a looks weird right? Better just remove it.

>> No.9483651

>>9480431
While learning the kanjis I counted the different ON readings. ~2000 kanjis had 213 different ON readings. So 110 can't be right.

>>9483475
I'm a German native and the last thing I would call German is sexy.

>> No.9483661

>>9483634

You're thinking of podophilia. pedophilia is correct.

poddos is the latin word for leg, or pods for foot

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>>9483661
>latin word for leg, or pods for foot

Be honest, Americans just didn't want to have to remember something that was 1 letter longer.

>> No.9483680

漢字は問題ない。馬鹿アメリカだけ。

>> No.9483686

>>9483537
English is my second language and to this date I still cannot imagine HOW can you get these wrong. I mean, really. This just screams "illiterate" to me.

>> No.9483710

>>9483678

I actually mad a mistake in that pod/poddos is greek, as in (arthropod) instead of latin in which pedo/paedo is derived

Doesn't change the fact that the term is still podophile. It is a bit far reaching considering I have never in my life heard of anyone confusing these two terms. And if we have to bust out etymology, chances are it's not actually a problem.

I'd also like it if you don't harp constantly on how differently North American english (Not just the US but Canada as well) has evolved from Ye Olde British. In how we spell things or what we call things. At this point in time, we have very different cultures. And I have never expected the British to have to change their spelling customs.

>> No.9483716

>>9483686

Believe it or not, second hand speakers of a language, when properly studied have better understanding of a language's grammar rules than native speakers. I'm verbally very eloquent, but my writing is very shitting, when I write English. But my understanding of Japanese or German grammar is actually far better than English's because I've studied the grammar more.

>> No.9483721

>>9483716
>>9483686
Second language English speakers love boasting about their perceived superiority to native English speakers. Most of the time it’s completely unwarranted.

btw im a euro

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9483726

That is silly.

The only part that can really be considered extremely difficult when it comes to kanji is names. Even if I know the individual kanji I have no fucking idea how to pronounce it (unless it's something obvious like 白川 or 片桐).
And then sometimes I see obscure, weird as HELL kanji that isn't even used except for that one name.
That is true suffering.

>> No.9483751

>>9483726
小鳥遊

>> No.9483752

>>9483377
>implying I am not the white man

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>>9483710
I've never seen someone get so butthurt that they took the time to write out that much TL;DR to convince themselves and other people that they are right.

>we have very different cultures
No shit?

>> No.9483770

the world should just speak english, because its easy.
my main language is german.

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>>9483759

>to convince others he was right
>guy admits to mistake
>posts shitty finn me-me hurr americunts

wow y-you're actually for real totally illiterate

>> No.9483807

>>9483751
K-Kotoriyuu?

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>>9483788
Americans have no culture. Unless you count hypocrisy, stupidity, greed, basketball and being eaten alive by insidious parasites a culture. Then of course it has plenty of culture.

You cannot admit that the US and its plague of population are too retarded to remember certain letters and have had to resort to changing the dictionary to accommodate their stupidity.

>> No.9483825

>>9483751
kotori ...asobi ?

>> No.9483839

>>9483824

Who are you even talking to?
>>>/v/

>> No.9483858

>>9483825
>>9483807
HAHAHA
It is Takanashi

>> No.9483886

>>9483858
Huh, I, what? I...I don't even know anymore.

>> No.9483907

あかまきがみあおまきがみきまきがみ

>> No.9483914

Whole world should speak Russian

>> No.9483937
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9483937

The world should just use phonetic transcription.

>> No.9483953

ITT: >baww im too retarded to learn kanji why don't they use a simpler writing method

>> No.9483963

>>9483953
Worked for the Coreans.

>> No.9483968

>>9483963
Yeah, now not only their face all look same but all their characters also doo.

>> No.9484051

But I like Japanese and French...

And I like Kanji, it makes it so much easier to remember vocabulary.

>> No.9484063

Why not let the japanese language and writing as it is currently ?

Au passage quelqu'un peut m'expliquer comment forcer des japonais à parler français alors qu'ils galèrent déjà avec l'anglais pourtant plus simple ?

>> No.9484067

>>9484063
>Au passage quelqu'un peut m'expliquer comment forcer des japonais à parler français alors qu'ils galèrent déjà avec l'anglais pourtant plus simple ?
By wining a world war.

>Why not let the japanese language and writing as it is currently ?
Because evolution.

>> No.9484079

Guys, please fix English spelling, it's dumb.

It should be more like:
>Gaiz, pliz, fix, englysh speling, its dum.

Please make English more phonetic. You can understand it perfectly fine, can't you?

>> No.9484083

>>9484063
get a load of this baka

>> No.9484106

>>9484067

The french winning a world war ? Are you drunk ?

>> No.9484123

>>9484106
xDDDDD
/e/p/i/c/

>> No.9484136

It would have been a step closer to a universal language.
The more languages die the better. We can start with small languages like Australian Aboriginal dialects and move up to killing off things like French.
What do you think should be the universal language /jp/?
English, Mandarin? Latin would be fair in that almost everyone would have to learn it, or we could create and entirely new one with all the desirable elements.

>> No.9484154

Who cares about kanji? The real problem is the english language!

It's our de facto global language, but it's really not fit to be the language of a type one civilization.

ghoti = fish

>> No.9484160

>>9484136
English and french are the closest we have to universal languages.

>> No.9484168

>>9484160
English is closer so that would be the easiest way to go really.

>> No.9484187

>>9484168

How would we even go about ridding the world of every other language though?
I think if it was ever to be done a new language should be developed to certain specifications (e.g. phonetic, as succinct or more so than English, few characters while still maintaining compactness).

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9484201

Lojban or Esperanto should be required learning in schools, and used for all foreign interchange.

>> No.9484199

>>9484136
>we could create and entirely new one with all the desirable elements

Been done. It's called esperanto. It never got popular.

>>9484160
French? Are you fucking kidding me? English is taught in schools everywhere, almost 100% of literate people worldwide understand english.

>> No.9484230

>>9484201

I think I prefer Lojban over Esperanto from what I just read.

>> No.9484234

This is why I am a prescriptivist. For those who don't know, prescriptivists are basically the Nazis who insist English should follow some written standard instead of following how English is actually used (descriptivism). We could have easily abolished all these exceptions to the rule and all the retarded spellings and syntax, but humanist turbonerds insisted English should evolve as the masses want it to. Which sounds great, but in 20 yrs time well probs b typn lyk tihs and it will be Standard English and it will be all your fault.

>> No.9484283

>>9483886
小鳥が遊ぶ場所には鷹が無し
小鳥遊・鷹無し

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