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Quite a few of them still are as well as easily obtainable such as dph and dxm.

Uh, it doesn't matter, they're perfectly accessible. Even without needed social interaction. Mail order drugs is the future, today.

How vivid are the hallucinations? Do you actually see things or is it just, "Oooh, look at the pretty colors and strange geometric shapes. The wall is wiggling slightly."

That would be very boring.

>>9482774
DPH is not a psychedelic you little piece of shit.

I doubt there's anything interesting in my mind, so it's pointless.

>>9482781
Why are you so angry at him?

>>9482781

PLEASE NO BULLYING

This is a place of love. I'm sorry for raising my voice, but it had to be said.

Has anyone tried DMT ?
I heard you produce it while you dream.

>>9482777
Depends what you take. With 5meo or DXM you can just sit back and relax, with something like DMT you're actually going to meet Jesus for real.

Will I do any dangerous things if I try to go on a psychedelic trip alone?

I have no friends. I would have to get the drugs off the silkroad but that's not really a problem. I'm more worried about taking the drugs. Will I get into some weird state of mind and start doing strange and dangerous things like jump off buildings or pour boiling water on myself?

>>9482794
When I stopped tripping everyone told me i was gone for 10 minutes but I felt I was away for 1, 000 years. I danced space aliens and drank honey milk from the teet of angels. I am now convinced that DMT is not a mere drug, but the key to the gateway that leads to true reality.

>>9482824
You can strap yourself to a chair but the way I view it is that anything that happens during your enlightenment is simply meant to be.

What is the best psychedelic that I can grow?

I don't like the idea of taking substances that street chemists cook up. I don't trust them and I would rather synthesize my own drugs, but LSD precursors are heavily monitored and hard to find.

Growing is simple and easy though.

>>9482863
Magic mushroos are your best bet. You can buy the spores online
although do make sure that they're the right mushrooms when they're grown using picture guides.

>>9482863

>>9482824
I hate to say it, but I think you should go to 420chan with this. I know most threads are just "hurr kush I'm so high pay attention to me" but the guys who really know their shit and seldom speak, the sages if you will, could help. Or google I guess... Or check the anarchist cookbook and just make yourself LSD or something. I've always wanted to try psychedelics. The closest I've ever gotten to psychedelic trips would have been this weird ass dream I had where I went to jewel osco with my great uncle to buy Pizza Bread and he wouldn't get the ones with broccoli on the edges and called the broccoli "cancer" and I laughed so hard I pooped myself, then I woke up. Peter was right, when ya poop in your dreams, ya poop for real... But that dream lasted from 5 am to 6:30 pm so idkwtf happened.
Long story short, in the mean time, get Melatonin at Walgreens or something. There's no physical addiction whatsoever since you naturally produce it. I'd say take 3 of the 5mg tablets before you go to sleep and you'll definitely dream. Remembering the details of them is very tricky, but you gotta keep thinking about it for a while and recap what happened and write it down. Some shit is so fucking hilarious or sad or whatever, you could amaze yourself.

No, I want opiates to be legal, then I can get them easier and don't have to weasel my way around doctors and drug dealers.
Then I can pop some hydrocodone or morphine, smoke a cigarette and chill out to shoegaze or slowcore.

>>9482886
You are a drain on society.

>>9482890
welcome to /jp/

>>9482863

Phalaris arundinacea. Easy to grow and looks very inconspicuous. It looks like lawn grass, you could grow it out in the open and no one would know. Large concentrations of DMT.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris.shtml

I wish all drugs were legal, aside from heavily addictive ones. Even then, we shouldn't just toss people in jail.

>>9482863
Psilocybin, dude.

Shrooms are very fun and they last 4-6 hours (depending on dosage) therefore not overstaying their welcome like acid does. Less mindfuck, too.

>>9482886

>opiates

Boooorrrrriinnnnnng.

I really don't see the appeal of opiates. I had a prescription awhile back after a minor surgery and I had my fun with it, but it's kind of dull. Feeling sedated and euphoric every day is boring after awhile.

There's so many better drugs out there, I wish I could understand why people bother with opiates. Stimulants are more fun, psychedelics are more fun, basically anything is more fun than euphoric sedation.

I was so fucked up from those opiates that I barely remember anything from that time period. It's like I didn't even exist for several months I was so out of it. Good drugs form memories or motivate you to do stuff. Sedation is one step above non-existence.

>>9482918
I'm pretty sure thats the appeal, its just the ultimate taking it easy. You just get to lay back in the warmest blanket ever and enjoy.

>>9482926
Why not kill yourself and feel the same thing.

>>9482926

>You just get to lay back in the warmest blanket ever and enjoy.

You fall asleep half the time though. I vaguely remember feeling really good and just lying in a reclining chair for hours every day, but I barely remember it. I'm sure it felt good, but without the memory it feels like this gap of missing time in my life.

I know that a lot of people take opiates because they're not happy or they're stressed and they want an escape, but I've always felt that the best way to deal with stress is to redirect the negative energy into something positive. Desoxyn (prescribed methamphetamine) is prescribed for depression that resisted all other treatments, but it works. You won't feel sad, but you won't be sedated either. All of those negative feelings are now turned into positive energy and you feel incredible.

You're actually doing stuff though. You're having fun, you're loving everything about your life, you feel completely alive. Opiates are just pop some pills and essentially fall asleep. It seems like a waste of life when you don't even form memories from the experience half the time.

>>9482918
>I was so fucked up from those opiates that I barely remember anything from that time period. It's like I didn't even exist for several months I was so out of it. Sedation is one step above non-existence.
This is why I like it. It feels like sleepy, sedative, nostalgic heaven. Nothing feels real, it all feels like a dream world or a distant bittersweet memory. It especially goes really good with sadcore/slowcore and shoegaze music, because of how faded and noisy they sound, but also because of how calm and nostalgic they feel. They're also really amazing if you have insomia too.

>>9482926
This.

I hate that CNS depression feeling that I get from downers like pain killers and benzos. Doesn't it bother you guys?

My breath feels really shallow, I can feel my heart beating, my chest feels heavy. It's not pleasant at all.

>>9482821
>I am now convinced that DMT is not a mere drug, but the key to the gateway that leads to true reality.

And that is the exact reason why I'll like to try it.

>>9482948
I don't suggest you try Fentanyl.

Personally, I enjoy that feeling of being removed from both the body and from free will; It's attracted me to opiates, general anaesthesia, and ketamine (analogs) in the past.

>>9482939
You're doing it wrong then. Opiates aren't the problem, you're just really weak.
I only fell asleep twice out of all the times I've done opiates. Just ignore the urge and stay up and do something relaxing. Whenever I was on opiate highs, I would spend hours listening to music and saving pretty art off of the internet or going outiside and admiring the scenery. And essentially, you're still popping pills to make pain go away when you take meth too. The only difference is the effect and sensation it has on your body.

>You're having fun, you're loving everything about your life, you feel completely alive.
And what makes you think opiates don't do this too? Just because you don't remember what it felt like doesn't mean it didn't happen.

>>9482948
I'm being forced into the psychologist again for personal reasons pretty soon, and I'm pretty fucking sure she's going to put me on SSRIs or benzos. What should I expect?

>>9482982
Erectile dysfunction

>>9482982

benzos are like highly addictive chemical bandages for psychological stress; they only hide the wound. I like them because they can be an escape hatch to a bad 25-i trip.

SSRIs are the worst class of drugs ever. Serataline makes people into zombies incapable of having an erection, or having strong emotions.

>>9482964

>And what makes you think opiates don't do this too? Just because you don't remember what it felt like doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It doesn't have that, "I want to tackle the world and consume every bit of knowledge that I see" feeling to it though. Even when I wasn't asleep, I don't remember ever feeling anything like that.

I guess it is just preference, but I don't really like that feeling where you just don't give a shit about anything. For example, do you ever just feel filled with overwhelming energy and motivation and spend hours working on a project in complete bliss when you're on opiates? It's those kinds of feelings that I would miss the most. Those feelings when you're on stimulants and all of the sudden it's like you get hit with this lightning strike of happiness and suddenly, "TIME TO LEARN JAPANESE. LET'S GO, LET'S GO"

I'm easy-going and apathetic enough as it is. I like drugs that make me actually care intensely about things. Opiates seemed to do the opposite.

>>9482982

SSRIs are shit. Absolute garbage. Seriously, don't even take it if you are prescribed that trash. You probably won't feel anything and you'll still get withdrawals if you try to get off.

Benzos are okay as long as you keep the dose low. I take them every night to avoid comedowns. I don't see how they have any value on their own though. They just make me really mean. It's like drinking without a buzz. No inhibitions but no drunken cheerfulness, so you act like a really honest asshole.

Is there a drug to cure the crushing loneliness?

>>9483030
Most drugs do this

Why would you grow or buy psychedelics when you can just go to the local pet store and buy a bufo toad?

I've always wanted to try LSD or something...go on a journey. Not for fun but for introspection.

But since I suffer from a myriad of mental disorders I'm far too afraid to try it for fear I won't come back.

>>9483026
i've taken an ssri for many years and you don't feel shit, but it does keep you from being a total wreck. plus it killed my hated sex drive

>>9483030

I would recommend stimulants. I would also recommend stimulants for basically any psychological ailment in the world, but particularly loneliness. Even weaker stimulants like ADHD medicine will be fine for this.

I have not even masturbated in three weeks. I just don't give a shit. I used to be one of those feeling depressed and lonely every day types of guys too. Now I do not give a single shit about friends or relationships.

Not really. Most things I've read suggest doing halluconigens your first time alone is a stupid idea and really, how many here actually have social friends to do drugs with? I sure as fuck don't.

Does anyone know what is the best drug for helping with meditation?

Would a low dose of psychedelics make meditation feel more spiritual? I don't feel like I'm on a spiritual journey. I just feel like I'm sitting on the floor with my eyes closed.

>>9483036

>The milking procedure does not harm the toad — it consists of stroking the animal under its chin to initiate the defensive poison response. Once the liquid toxin has been collected and dried, it can be used for its psychedelic effects.

That sounds easy enough. Time to milk some magic toads.

Go away normals.

>>9483054
Stop trying to go on a spiritual journey then and just meditate.

>>9483060
Not him but what if I want a spiritual jounrey?

>>9482886
Make poppy seed tea. It's absolutely amazing that there's no measures to prevent it, it's an enigma.

>>9483062
Kill yourself.

>>9483062
Then get messed up on drugs and have a good time. Having expectations of meditation almost defeats the point, just meditate for the sake of meditation.

>>9483067
I would, but there's no poppies that grow around here, and poppy pods are illegal to buy. I'm not sure about the seeds though.

>>9483067
>>9483087

Poppy Seed Tea can KILL YOU!

http://poppyseedtea.com/

>>9483054
Won't help, but a hit of DMT will save you 30 years of meditating.
In a certain way, that is.

>>9483087
That's exactly what you do, and why I'm so amazed by it. Go into the supermarket and buy a literal fuckton of poppy seeds, but them in a pot of *warm* water on a stove. Let them soak for an hour, strain the water through an old shirt. Drink the cloudy liquid and 30 minutes later, well, you know.

>>9483093
Being a lazy fuck who watches anime all day and never exercises can kill you. What's your point?

>>9483093
Anything and everything can kill you. Your fault for not being as great as me.

>>9483102
You have one hell of an ego for being someone on /jp/

>>9483093
Anything can kill you in high enough doses. Hell, water can kill you if you drink too much of it.

>>9483104
Well experience proves I am pretty much immortal in addition to being better than pretty much everyone. I am also a practitioner of the philosophy colloquilly known as solipsism.

>>9483109
>this nigga

>>9483115
Who may you be citing?

>>9483115
Is there a problem, /v/-kun?

>>9483109
Philosopher here.
Solipsism is just as naive as anything else, as you are assuming that your mind exists. There is absolutely no way to prove that you exist, obviously you have figured out the same is true for everything else. All it takes is one further step and you'll be a sane, rational existentialist!

Won't drugs, like, kill me eventually?

>>9483126
You will kill yourself eventually so don't worry.

>>9483122
I'm not from /v/. Nice try, though.

>>9483125
Existentialism is for people who do not exist.

>>9483126
Life will kill you eventually.

>>9483126
List of drugs that won't kill you eventually:
LSD
Mescaline
DMT
Magic Mushrooms

Basically any psychedelic.

>>9483129
Fug u
Prove you exist then
Go on do it

>>9483126
Who cares, you're going to die anyway.
And given the fact that you're on /jp/, you must have a pretty vapid life, so it really shouldn't matter.

>>9483093

Of course poppy seed tea can kill you. Any opiate can kill you. That's how powerful CNS depressants work, you die if you take too much.

It's why people die from speedballing. The cocaine is the only thing keeping their heart beating and it wears off a lot sooner than the huge dose of heroin they took and when that happens then you're dead.

>>9483142
Psychadelic deaths exist, you know. You're so out of it that you just brain yourself on something.

>>9483148
>You're so out of it that you just brain yourself on something.
What, you mean like people who think they can fly or some shit? I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about things like overdoses, addictions, and damage caused directly by the substance.

>>9483153
Stuff like getting hit by traffic, falling down stairs, punching out a window perhaps, I mean it's not guaranteed every time, but if you do it very often alone, something is going to happen.

>>9483142
They might fuck up your mind horribly, though.

So, you know...

>>9483162
Well, that's a case by case basis. I'm sure any /jp/er is sensible enough to know their limits.
R-right guys?

>>9483166
No, you won't think you're an orange or whatever they tell you in D.A.R.E.

Probably will change you forever, though. In a neutral, controllable way.

>>9483174
Think you're an orange? No. It's very possible for it to trigger latent mental issues and schizophrenia you never knew you had.

And since you never know, it's always a risk.
Might be fine, might end up in an asylum for a month or two. Could go either way

>>9483183
Well, I don't really know much about that, but I'm sure it's not some kind of 50/50 chance like you're making it out to be.

>>9483126

I can't think of many drugs that would shorten your life. I can think of a couple drugs that you can overdose on, but that's death from stupidity.

Downers are probably the most dangerous out of them all, but only if you take too much.
Psychedelics are harmless. It's impossible to overdose.
Even meth isn't that bad for you. Pure meth, not that biker shit that hillbillies cook up. There's some vitamin deficiencies that you can easily correct, but that's about it.
Marijuana can cause damage to your lungs in the same way that cigarettes will, but that's only if you smoke it. You might not look "cool" but brownies and cookies never hurt anyone's lungs.

>>9483199
I't snow but it's always a chance unless you have a throuough background history of your families psychiatric state.

I'm a very paranoid sort. I'm not sure if I'd want to take the risk.

>>9483207
>>9483199
I gave myself HPPD from this exact thing, hasn't gone away in around a month. Having a really hard time staying focused, film like vision, little to no memory and generally feeling disoriented.

>>9483211
I've gotten depersonalization for two months just from marijuana use so I'm a bit afraid of what a psychedelic would do to me.

>>9483162

>Stuff like getting hit by traffic, falling down stairs, punching out a window perhaps

That sounds more like something you would do on a dissociative like PCP. I've never heard of anyone doing anything like this on a psychedelic.

>>9483215
I've just had perception issues and it can be kinda hard to read at times, nothing to serious like two months of depersonalization. I suppose for the first I kinda felt like I was playing a first-person game a bit, or my own vision stood out to me in unique way. Weird stuff for sure, I guess its not that big of an issue when you have nothing to do but browse /jp/.

Can I ease into these drugs or do you have to jump right into the deep end? I have no friends so I have no one to trip sit. I'm not used to what it feels like to be in an altered state of mind so I would like to ease into it.

>>9483235
Well you might accidentally go outside.

>>9483249
If you have no one to tripsit I seriously think it's a bad idea. Roll the dice if you feel lucky.

Sort of why I'm confused why this is on /jp/. Since when does /jp/ have friends who will trip with them?

>>9483249
Take DXM. Go to the store and buy a bottle of Robitussin, and drink half of it. Wait about 20 minutes and stand up.

What are some psychedelics with short durations?

I ordered some LSD off the internet last year and that was not fun at all. I was really scared and it lasted like eight hours. I just wanted it to stop.

It would have been fine if it was only an hour or two, but eight hours and no escape. I hated it.

>>9483262
Just make sure the only active ingredient is dextromethorphan hbr

>>9483266
>ordered it off the internet

Why do I have to be so afraid of doing this?

>>9483266
Usually it works out the shorter they are the more potent they are.

You could take salvia, but that's basicially stepping into a world of lovecraftian horrors with only what you're wearing for 15 minutes.

>>9483266

Do DMT.

It will be much more intense, but it's safe, you won't move around much at all so no chance of getting yourself into trouble, and it lasts like 20 minutes. There is time dilation though, but no one can predict how long those 20 minutes will feel for you.

>>9483275
Don't be. Use a false name.
The thing is- anyone can order drugs to anyone else completely anonymously. Ergo, it's not legally applicable to prosecute or even give a crap.
And if customs stop it, they just send you a letter saying 'come claim it'. And then forget about it.
Some retailers actually send you a second one if it's stopped in customs, because they're all for customer service. Funnily enough.

>>9483288
I'm more afraid of going to the area of the internet in which these things are found.

Assuming I worked up the courage: Any idea what the average rate is for LSD?

who junkie here?

>>9483295
How does this picture make you feel?

I am bored of my mind. I do the same thing every single day and life is starting to feel like that Groundhog Day movie.

What drug should I take if I want my whole world turned upside down? Just a complete earth shattering experience that will make me wonder if I'm still a human and if I've traveled into a new dimension or all sorts of crazy stuff like that.

>>9483294
There should be no fear if you're careful.
The tor browser bundle is secure as so long as you get it straight from the actual tor website.
For maximum paranoia, try doing it on a livecd or liveusb so no actual data is written to the hard drive at all. The most paranoid use tails.

>>9483301
>maximum paranoia

That would be me.

I'm pretty much full on "the government is spying on me through my TV" paranoid.

>>9483299

I'm already schizotypal. If I start tripping will I have a high chance of trigger full blown schizophrenia?

>>9483305
Well basically read the tails documentation.
It's specifically designed to leave no trace on whatever computer you use it on, it's specially coded to not allow any connections to the internet that aren't through tor. Additional to that, it erases the memory on shutdown, to prevent against coldboot attacks. It's pretty much CIA level paranoia.

>>9483310
Probably.

Having mental issues pretty much puts you on the no fun track for life unless you want to take major risks.

>>9483286
So it could turn into some kind of Inception thing where I can masturbate for eons?

>>9483300
>will make me wonder if I'm still a human and if I've traveled into a new dimension or all sorts of crazy stuff like that.
That sounds like shrooms to me.

But be careful what you're looking for. I've had some difficult experiences with shrooms. Personally, I think everyone should take LSD at least once. It's a big eye opener in so many ways. Never had a bad trip. Life changing experience.

>>9483310

Probably not. I'm schizoid and I use psychedelics all the time. I am a little bit crazier than I used to be, but I'm not schizophrenic.

>>9483266
was this the first one you had done? what about weed? any other experiences?

>>9483318
yous a junkie w

>>9483300
This should do the trick.
Have fun!

>>9483327
I guess. I have some experience in the way of mind altering drugs. This year I've only tripped on shrooms and acid once each, though, so I'm a little passt that phase.

Everyone should try psychedelics. They make you into a far more interesting person.

You start thinking like Walter from Fringe. It's great fun.

>>9483322
>>9483310
Schizoid/Schizotypal personality disorder have nothing to do with schizophrenia.

>>9483336
I think the point he's making is, if he has a known mental issue is it going to aggrivate it and make it worse for him if he doees psychedelics?

>>9483334
Shit, I forgot about that show. I think I missed a few seasons. The last one I saw was when Evil Olivia showed up.

Is the toad thing a joke or is it real?

I don't want to buy expensive LSD if I can just milk a hallucinogenic toad.

the shit sparky4 takes

wwww

>>9483342
It's real.

I'm not really sure where you'd find one though since they're not indigenous to north America or Europe, where 90% of 4chan users are.

>>9483343

>>9483339
Personality disorders are nothing. Schizoid is completely harmless. No he won't turn schizophrenic from a tab of LSD.

>>9483294
Sorry for the late reply, but you're looking at around 20-30 bucks for 2 tabs. Bitcoins.

>>9483351
Well...he could if he has it underlying.

>>9483352
What does that mean? What does 'underlying' mean?

>>9483343

Adderall is nice, I'm on it right now, but I dislike how grounded to reality it makes you feel. It's like pills that feed your ego.

Introspective thought is hard since you feel so interested in everything around you. You get too immersed in reality. Sometimes I just need some psychedelics to loosens that deathgrip on reality that adderall gives you.

>>9483355
He has it but it's dormant. It was almost certainly going to activate at some point it was just waiting for the trigger.

>>9483355
Underlying conditions. Like genetic predisposition.

>>9483356
thats where this comes into play

>>9483357

>It was almost certainly going to activate at some point it was just waiting for the trigger.

If that's how it is then you might as well just get it over with. I'd rather activate latent schizophrenia with a hallucinogenic bang then just wake up one day and have it.

>>9483357
I'm not sure that's how schizophrenia works.

>>9483371
Schizophrenia can just develop suddenly.

Most commonly in early adult hood.

>>9483305
Person who has used the place before and will use it again. I'll save you the trouble of worrying and you can have my experience of it. After reading up on what to do, everything was really simple. With the bundle I registered, got some bitcoins and I browsed the store. Once I had found what I want I made sure the vendor was good (you check their feedback and make sure they've got solid feedback and it's down to yourself if you want to go with them.

After you've picked what you want and the vendor who is selling it, you check out and give them your address (but you encrypt it) and the waiting begins. It took a day for mine to arrive and I have to say I was a nervous wreck until then, I was trying, making posts on /jp/ freaking out and things like that. But it arrived soon, I rushed to my package and it looked so neat and perfect, it was just a padded envelope and when you opened it up there was my vacuum packed product ready to go just like I had ordered.

My experience and well, there is nothing to be afraid about, after a couple of days being a bit nervous, you'll be asking yourself what took you so long.

>>9483375
Even alone? I guess that's my big worry when using it. If I use it, I'll be alone. But generally people tell me doing such things alone is shonky business if you aren't experienced.

>>9483312

How does this compare to a LiveCD such as BackTrack 5? Just curious :]

>>9483394
What do you mean compare?

>>9483375

>I have to say I was a nervous wreck until then, I was trying, making posts on /jp/ freaking out and things like that.

Were you the guy that was freaking out about the weed order a few weeks back?

I'm glad it worked out for you, man. You sure seemed upset from what I remember.

>>9483386
it might be a bit risky business. How much do you trust yourself? What's your experience if any in any other psychoactive substances (even just alcohol?). Either way I would always recommend someone else do it it with you. At the very least someone to keep grounded within reality and to always be there for support.

>>9483407
I wish I had someone like that.

>>9483386
Hmmm, if possible that I've heard the best thing to do is to be with someone, especially if you're new doing that kind of stuff.

>>9483402
That was me yes, I feel really silly looking back on it now because it was so easy and trouble free.

>>9483407
I think if /jp/ had someone they could trust like that they wouldn't be turning to drugs.

>>9483386

>But generally people tell me doing such things alone is shonky business if you aren't experienced.

Not the person you're asking, but that's just exaggerations. I've always tripped alone because I just don't know anybody. Worst case scenario you just feel freaked out for awhile, but it ends and then you're fine. I would probably feel more uncomfortable if I was around other people since I'm introverted. That's all trip-sitters are used for. They just calm you down when you're getting anxious, but it's not like they have to stop you from jumping out the window or something.

If you're like me then having a bunch of people touching you and trying to calm you down would just make you feel more anxious.

>>9483394
who ever made that was trippan balls

>>9483412
That's part of the conundrum to me. Some people tell me you need someone to keep you grounded but then they tell me to avoid a bad trip you need to be comfortable.

I'm an introvert. Being around someone who is watching me even with good intentions would make me uncomfortable.

>>9483421

This is the only trip sitter that you need.

I ordered some acid off silk road a couple months back and I was starting to have a bad trip. I was coming up and I was feeling really paranoid and nervous and I could see that this was just going to get worse if I didn't calm myself down.

Fortunately I had downloaded the full series of Bob Ross episodes a couple weeks earlier and I sat down, turned that on, and it worked really well. I was calm, completely turned what would have been a bad trip into one of the most peaceful experiences I've had. I always start a trip with Bob now. You can't be anxious when you're hearing that friendly voice, it just calms you down.

>>9483434
Bob is fuckin MAGIC

>>9483421
No one is guaranteeing anything. Just don't think you're dying for some inane reason and call 911. Don't think you're going to trip forever ugh I hear that one so many times. Some people recommend writing on a peace of paper something like "you took a drug, you're fine, it will be over eventually" and placing it in your pocket in times of a crisis. Again I'm not asking you to expect anything bad because not only will that just make bad things happen but I don't know you.

>>9483434
you're a good person.

Are there any bailout drugs that you can take to quickly abort a psychedelic trip if it's just too much and you need to stop?

>>9483454
No, you're in for a bumpy ride.

>>9483454
No, no such thing. If you go in, you go all the way in.

>>9483454
This is personally why I wouldn't recommend certain people doing drugs which give you a real trip. I'd say if you're not comfortable with yourself, your mind, if you're not in a happy place mentally, I wouldn't try doing it.

My recommendation is based on nothing at all though.

>>9483472
> I'd say if you're not comfortable with yourself, your mind, if you're not in a happy place mentally,
So...no one on /jp/, I guess.

>>9483454

You can't completely stop the trip right away, but there are ways to make it easier and to end it early. Benzos are what you're looking for though, can't think of anything else.

If you really are having a hard time and you can't calm yourself down then a fast acting benzo like xanax will help. I've done it before with valium, but xanax would work better since it doesn't take as long to kick in.

It's just a sedative, it'll calm you down.

>>9483479
Lets not do that, we both know perfectly well there are some people who are completely happy with their situations, even if they're a NEET.

>>9483484
I don't know many people in life happy with where they are aside from celebrities.

>>9483493
Nah celebrities aren't happy either.

If you lick the vagina of a female Sonoran Desert toad then it will excrete a psychedelic substance.

>>9483497
No one is truly 100% content and mentally sound. So really no one should do drugs.

>>9483507
Anyone on /jp/ live in the Sonoran?

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=13669

Here's a short guide to toad milking and a story of what it's like to smoke toad venom.

Sounds fun, definitely will give it a try once I figure out where to buy one of these toads.

>>9483545

http://www.erowid.org/archive/sonoran_desert_toad/almost.htm

Detailed toad guide with pictures. Looks like a scientist wrote it.

Pure little girls don't do drugs.

>>9483545
>>9483562
And you'll have a cute pet!

Toads like this always come up out of the ground after it rains. You can hear them all over in the desert after a shower. Sometimes they come up on the porch at night when the light is on to eat the bugs. I'm not going to lick its vagina.

5-MeO-DMT fucking sucks. Don't do it.

Smoking toads will give you a scary high. Grow something with actual DMT in it.

>>9483576

How much do you want for the toad? I'll buy a male and female one if you can capture them and mail them to me. Willing to pay 100 dollars.

I saw a frog yesterday while walking. I was going to catch but was too scared at first and lost track of it.

Of course it would help if I attached a picture. If anyone else is in the valley you should be able to find some out in the desert. If you go south on Power it turns into a nice two lane highway that you could stop and and probably catch a few.

>>9483583
If you're willing to spend $100 on mail order toads, it's time to consider just buying some actual drugs mail order.

>>9483583
How the fug am I supposed to know if it's female or not?

>>9483604
Sexually stimulate it and see if a penis comes out.

xxToadToterxx
~~Smoke toads every day~~
Toad4Lyfe

>>9483629
I don't think you're supposed to smoke the toad.

>>9483637
XxXToadFUCKERXxX
~~lick pussy every day~~
Toad4Lyfe

Toad smoking sounds scary. Apparently when you ignite the venom then the poisonous part is burned away and you just get the psychedelic part, but that still makes me feel uneasy.

I think I'll just grow that DMT grass.

>>9483652
You can order magic mushroom spores real easy

>>9483654

Is mold a danger?

I remember watching a video of some hippies talking about how to grow mushrooms inside of plastic containers, but I remember something about looking out for mold.

I don't want to accidentally eat moldy mushrooms and get sick or die. Is it obvious if they're moldy?

>>9483659
I wouldn't worry about 'is it obvious', since there are growing guides everywhere, that'll tell you how to spot shit, avoid shit, and grow goods.

>>9483659

It's real easy.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9285870

>>9483659
I HATE toxic black mold

Don't forget about psychedelic cacti. Lots of fun to be had with that. Achuma, peruvian torch and san pedro. Any of these can be harvested for mescaline.

You're only one cactus away from being a real indian shaman.

>LSD
>Mescaline
>Toads
>DMT
>Mushrooms

What's the best option for a beginner? There's so many to choose from and I'm so confused.

>>9483704
As a person who has no experience in any of these, shrooms.

>>9483704
I second this question!

>>9483704
Don't.

>>9483711
Why?

When someone really wants to do something you need a better arguement than "No."

>>9483712
It's a horrible habit and can lead to physical dependence when you're not careful which you do NOT want, believe me.

>>9483714
>physical dependence

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9483712
Because pure little girls do not do drugs.

>>9483715
Yeah, hallucinigens don't have physical dependancies to them.

>>9483704

>LSD
Some people would recommend this, but I don't because of the long duration. Good trips are great, but bad trips last way too long and if it's your first time then you're probably going to be nervous. It's expensive too and you can't grow it.
>Mescaline
Really long duration. Maybe even 18 hours for some people. Do not start with this. Also, it takes a very long time to grow a cactus, it will take years to grow one to maturity.
>Toads
It costs over $100 for one of these toads and it takes a month for them to recharge after a milking. What they produce is basically DMT's mean little brother. It will scare the shit out of you. Not worth it.
>DMT
Great stuff, but very intense. Not great for your first psychedelic. Lots of different plants to choose from if you want to grow it and lots of ways to ingest it.
>Mushrooms
Wonderful introduction to psychedelics. Easy to grow, the duration is reasonable and not nearly as long as LSD, and ingestion is easy. You can also easily measure out how much you want so that you don't take too much your first time and feel overwhelmed, but most LSD blotters that you buy off silkroad will probably have a higher dose that is more suited for an experienced user.

So shrooms first, get comfortable with it, then try out DMT.

>>9483714

>physical dependence

There's no physical dependence. You really can't even feel psychologically addicted because trips are fairly exhausting.

It's not like speed or opiates where you just can't get enough. It's a journey and you feel pretty exhausted when you come back. Most people just do not want to trip every day. It's a great experience, but you need a little downtime before you feel eager to hop back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJQrsZFQdE

Good video guide for growing mushrooms

I grew up with people always telling me that doing drugs is wrong.
That's not cool, you guys are going to ruin your lives even more.

P-please stop, I care about you Anon and I don't want to see you suffering.

>>9483848

>I grew up with people always telling me

Try thinking on your own for once

>>9483848
Why would you just follow what they said blindly after you've grown up? You can now research things and find out the truth about what you've been told rather than clinging to things you were told as a child.

about tripping alone: some people will tell you its dangerous, but lack of preparation makes it just as dangerous as tripping with friends. the sitter concept is there just to prevent you from doing something stupid like jumping off a roof, but thats only going to happen if you take more than you are prepared to do or doing it in a place where you have a roof to jump off of. preparation is key, shrooms and acid wouldn't make you do that anyway (don't do datura btw)

i dont like tripping with people because it turns into a group therapy session which can be akward because you put your ego defenses back up and can feel the "vibe" off the room bouncing off you and your friends, and psys are all about introspection, atleast for me

>>9483865
I don't have any friends but my sister was willing to do it with me, is that a good idea?

>>9483848

>I grew up with people always telling me that doing drugs is wrong.

Drugs are only bad if you're not educated on how to use them safely and the public's perception of drugs is completely distorted and inaccurate.

As far as drugs go though, psychedelics are harmless. Doctors prescribe amphetamines to hyper 7 year old children and that's just speed. Amphetamine sulfate is the same thing that Lemmy from Motorhead is notorious for using and people give an even purer form of this to 7 year old children.

If you have a minor operation, even something as simple as dental surgery, then you will almost definitely be prescribed an opiate and that's just weak heroin.

Both of those drugs are far more dangerous than any of the drugs in this thread and they're completely legal and very common.

The people who say that meth is evil most likely have their child on amphetamines and the people who say that heroin is the devil have almost definitely taken opiates after a surgery. It's all silliness, weaker versions of the drugs that the public sees as completely evil are in everyone's home.

>>9483904

You can't be alive without experience some drug-like state. Light and shadows are hallucinatory. Jetlag after a long flight alters your sense of time. The feeling you get when you fall into bed after not sleeping for a long time is opiate-like.

Now add on the fact that every single day "law abiding citizens": drink coffee, drink tea, eat chocolate, drink wine, take herbal medicines

Drinking tea and smoking marijuana -- there is no major difference in this process. In both cases you are consuming plant matter to achieve a sense of satisfaction. Drug laws are little more than insane prejudice.

Why are you trying to corrupt my friends?

I'd never heard of Silk road before reading this thread. Thanks /jp/! Time to trip!

>>9483865
>i dont like tripping with people because it turns into a group therapy session
so much agree

sitters should only really be a consideration if you're trying something with very serious effects for the first time, or if you are taking something at a hardcore-psychonaut level dose.

Psychedelics are a bad idea especially for those who are already mentally unstable.

Lucid dreaming is far superior. There are certain things you want to leave behind in dreamland, not force them into the real world.

To keep it /jp/ related, witch 2hu wuld u do drugs with?

>>9483934
I would want to cuddle Chen while having a nice joint.

If you absolutely must use a drug, try MDMA. It's euphoria is said to be legendary.

Sstimulants are good for when you're lethargic as well.

>>9483934
Satori

>>9483948
People have told me there's not much point in doing MDMA unless I'm going raving, which obviously is never going to happen. What would you do while on MDMA indoors?

>>9483934

Komeiji sisters or Eirin

Most 2hus wouldn't really need drugs. To experience the world like Yukari must is to be tripping 24/7

>>9483921

>Why are you trying to corrupt my friends?

Honestly, /jp/ would probably be much happier with drugs. A large amount of /jp/ is clinically depressed and untreated, even the people who do seek help from a doctor will probably just be prescribed some useless shit like SSRIs and then they will lose hope.

It's getting to the point that if you want to treat your ailments then you have to fake disorders (pretending to have ADHD so you can get stimulants to treat depression) or just buying them illegally.

Just look at this thread. There's more hope in here than most of the threads up right now. /jp/ actually seems interested and excited about something rather than the usual apathy and sarcasm.

Once everyone gets on the right drugs for them then /jp/ will be a very happy place.

>>9483174
He means HPPD and bringing out latent instability.

Stop trying to market psychedelics as something light and harmless.

>>9483960
This is the wrong attitude to drugs for /jp/. You speak as if they're neccessary to be happy.
It's not the approach we need. Drugs are just something to do, like video games or whatever. they don't fix anything.

>>9483969

>they don't fix anything.

That depends on how long you expect things to be "fixed". Drugs including alcohol can fix your life perfectly temporarily. Permanently? No, but what will? If you're expecting there to be some kind of Disneyland happy ending out there that's going to fix your life forever you will never be satisfied with life. Take what you can get.

>>9483955
Last time I did it indoors I cuddled with my girlfriend (this was years ago mind you) and played wind waker while laughing at the weird faces that Link makes when you don't touch the controller for a while. You know, that one frowny face.

Still, I've only done it about 5 times in my life and it was awesome every time. I never went to a rave but I did hang out with that same girlfriend and a bro while we went around town doing stupid shit. Lots of talking, laughing, and running around, I'll always remember the good times.

Do they even have raves anymore?

>>9483977
>girlfriend
It's time to leave /jp/.

>>9483926
>The feeling you get when you fall into bed after not sleeping for a long time is opiate-like.
Not really. You get the derealization that comes with opiate highs when you don't sleep for a long time, but it doesn't have the euphoria, comfort, or any of the other good qualities of opiates.
I agree with the rest of your post though.

>>9483984
Come on man, this was years ago! I'm sure the taint has washed off by now!

>>9483960
I do not see how the argument that the corrupt medical system using expensive patented drugs is equivilant to making their base substances legal. And happiness is internal, relying on other things to achieve it is just hollow.

>>9483992
It hasn't and you sound normal as fuck. Go away.

>>9483434
Next time, perhaps you would be interested in a little map painting?

>>9483998
Okay...you know my number if you change your mind.

Have smoked weed literally every day for 6 years straight and have been on /jp/ every day since it has existed. Ask me anything.

>>9483969

>they don't fix anything.

I would say that they definitely do fix things. I used to suffer from depression and I've sampled my fair share of drugs, but the most important aspect of drugs is that they often encourage you to do new things.

For example, think of someone who is depressed and is very lethargic and apathetic. He doesn't care enough to do anything and so he just sits around feeling like shit. Giving this person some stimulants would zap some life into them, give them the motivation to lift themselves out of their depression and start doing things that they want to do. Eventually you can taper them off the drugs and the happiness will be permanent because the drugs compelled them to change their lifestyle.

The same is true with psychedelics. Treating myself with psychedelics was probably one of the most successful treatments for my depression because the experiences completely changed the way that I looked at life and it filled with me with a new-found appreciation for living.

>>9483977
>Do they even have raves anymore?

Yes, though for a lot of people who go there, the raves are now more about the drugs, rather than about the cool music.

Just avoid events that play dubstep, and you should have a good time.

Also please leave /jp/, people with girlfriends are not allowed here.

>>9484013
go back to reddit, ``please!!"

>>9484000
That's pretty cool, which nation did you use?

>>9484003

>And happiness is internal, relying on other things to achieve it is just hollow.

Almost every single person in the world relies on things outside of themselves to be happy though. The exception might be Buddhist monks, but that's about it.

For everyone else it's their lifestyle, the people they know, the objects they own, the drugs the take, or a combination of any of these four things. If you take one of those away from someone then they will not be happy anymore because their happiness relied on it.

Monks may be the exception to this, but I don't even know if that's true. Much of what I've read about Buddhism and the life of monks shows that they greatly enjoy observing nature and experiencing each moment of their life. If you were to make them deaf and gouge out their eyes then they could no longer look at the beauty of the world or hear the sounds of nature. I don't think they would be happy.

I don't think that happiness can ever be completely internal because no person can be truly independent. Everyone still relies on everything around them to feel happiness and to sustain their life, whether it's the things they look at, the objects they have, the food they eat, the sounds they hear, the lifestyle they live, the drugs they take, or the people they talk to. Everything is connected to some degree and we all rely on each other for both our happiness and our survival.

>>9484074
>not being trumonk
do you even lift

Sage for normalfags.

>>9484134
Sage for saging

>>9484134
>>>/a/ ``Please"

>>9484134
The only normalfag here is the MDMA guy. I don't know who else is a normalfag in here. But your incorrect use of sage points to you being a crossboard piece of shit.

>>9484134
Stop being part of the problem, you subhuman piece of trash.

Stick with psychedelics, /jp/. Steer clear of habit forming drugs.

The best part about psychedelics is that you don't come down. You stop tripping, but there's an afterglow to it and the whole thing is very pleasant. Drugs like speed are different. One minute you're on top of the world and then the next minute your eyes hurt, you have a headache, your muscles ache, and you feel grumpy.

It's like bipolar mood swings and you feel it with anything that makes you high. It's not fun.

>>9484173
I'm way too scared to try out any psychedelics in case I have a bad trip, which is a pretty high chance since I'm always usually thinking of the worst and would probably end up forcing myself into a bad trip. I think I'll stick with weed.

>>9484173

>One minute you're on top of the world and then the next minute your eyes hurt, you have a headache, your muscles ache, and you feel grumpy

That's why you got to use downers. If you're in a plane and someone throws you out the door then you need a parachute, same thing with this.

If I've been tweaking for awhile and I know I'm about to comedown then I find some benzos or opiates. Feels good then I sleep it off and I wake up feeling refreshed and completely avoided the comedown.

>>9484192

Did you freak out from the weed?

I've had more weed paranoia freak outs than bad trips. If you were fine with the weed then you would probably be fine with mushrooms.

Drug users are all subhuman filth~

>>9484273
そうですね～

>>9484273
You might want to refine what you just said because unless you cut out a lot of things in your life, you're one of the subhuman filth as well.

>>9484276
Oh yes, apparently I also forgot to mention that drug users all have the worst case of denial in existence, second only to /co/ browsers.

>>9484290

Nothing he said included denial.

Now go back to drinking your soda like a good boy who doesn't use drugs.

>>9484266
I didn't know you could freak out from weed? I'm sure hearing that isn't going to help me the next time I do decide to have some though. But I thought shrooms were an actual psychedelic drug and weed just chilled you out and made you laugh and stuff. I'm worried about seeing things and not being able to control them and freaking out. I've heard my thoughts can influence trips badly and I'm usually a negative person and think the worst so I thought it would be best to avoid them.

>>9484303
You shouldn't drink soda, drink water instead.

>>9484304

>I didn't know you could freak out from weed?

Some people can, but if you didn't freak out already then you have nothing to worry about. Some people freak out from the initial altered state of mind feeling when they first smoke, same reason why some people freak out on their first trip. Other people smoke too much and it makes them feel sick or faint and they start to panic. It's harmless, pretty sure people call it a "green out"

You have to smoke a lot for that to happen though.

>>9484353
I smoked a hecka lot in a short time period once and I became convinced that a Shodan-esque voice was going to trap me in suspended time forever, so I crawled into the fetal position on the floor. Pretty traumatic stuff. Then I watched some LPs and ate some crackers and got better. That experience kind of put me off weed though.

>>9484375
Not related but could you tell me some good LP channels? I'm incredibly bored, I only follow one channel but there's not a whole lot of stuff that interests me on it.

>>9484353
Oh, I don't think I'll smoke much next time, I don't want to build myself up into a freak out because knowing me it's likely to happen. I'm kind of sad I'm not still ignorant to this "green out" thing because now I know I'll be thinking about it constantly.

>>9484396

>I'm kind of sad I'm not still ignorant to this "green out" thing because now I know I'll be thinking about it constantly.

It's really nothing to worry about. You have to smoke a ton in a fairly short amount of time

>>9484159
Drugs are for normals. Go away and "have fun" with your normal bullshit.

>>9484614

plese do not bully

>>9484846
He's not bullying, he's just being an idiot.

>>9484304
Weed is generally classified as a psychedelic, but a very very weak one. I can only speak from experience, but I've never seen anybody have a bad trip on mushrooms unless they took them with an MAOI, and even then, it wasn't bad, just more intense and long. Mushrooms are very easy to dose and control your trip with, as well, so you likely aren't going to ever get a trip so intense that paranoia is going to turn it sour. The worst mushroom trips I've ever had were ones where I just didn't know what I wanted to do on them, so I was all scatterbrained, and by the time I started to come down I was just a little disappointed that I didn't use the time better. I think most tryptamine based psychedelics are the same way, despite its potency, I've never seen anybody lose their shit on DMT either. The way they work, I think its very hard to have negative thoughts on them.

>>9485081
You've actually gotten me pretty excited now. I may have to try ordering some shrooms along with my next order and try having a trip. Thank you anon.

Drugs are evil

>>9488030
Way to bump the thread, idiot.

>>9484909
He is not an idiot though. Doing drugs and letting everyone know you are doing it like this thread is what normal and mainstream people do.

No faggot in their right mind would go around and telling them that they are so high and shoving their hobbies down their throats.

I like drugs myself but I have never met someone who wont shut the fuck up about how absolutely crazy and high they are and they need to tell everyone about it

>>9488047
>shoving their hobbies down their throats
I haven't seen very much of that in this thread.

>>9488061
Making a drug thread in an otaku culture board is doing that very thing.

If someone wants to discus drugs they do it at 420chan or /b/

>>9488047
>Doing drugs and letting everyone know you are doing it like this thread is what normal and mainstream people do.

But it's not really that at all, it's advice and help and questions about drugs from what I can see. Yes there is a bit of "I do this and that" but it's related to things at hand. I really can't even comprehend how you can compare this thread to normals.

>>9488076
If you want to discuss drugs do it at a more appropriate place then. Not here, please.

who yakui here?

>>9488073
>>9488081
So you honestly think this thread is worse than all the shitposting on the front page?

>>9488073
>420chan or /b/

I tried asking 420chan for advice about possibility to get weed without having friends there once, I was told I was a faggot and I should get out of my house and get friends. As for /b/, there's no chance I'm going there. Yet on /jp/ I got my help almost instantly.

>>9488089
I think is is just like all the other shitposts.

It's offtopic.

>>9488100
Then why don't you go complain in those threads?

>>9488098
Oh? And I am to just take your word on it then?

>>9488101
I report and hide them just like I did with this one.

>>9488110
You've reported and hidden the thread yet you're still here replying?

Salvia's legal in Canada.

>>9488098
You know dealers lurk /b/ to find customers?
Believe it or not, /b/ is exactly where you want to go for accessible online drugs. 420 and similar communities are too elitist and paranoid to give you anything at all.

>>9488126
>/b/ is exactly where you want to go for accessible online drugs.

No thanks, somehow silkroad seems like the better option to /b/.

>>9488098
Give yourself glaucoma and you are all set for a lifetime supply of free and legal weed.

>>9488132
Not everyone lives where you do.

>>9488137
Well then you did something wrong then

I'm scared of drugs
Addiction, murder, suicide, getting caught, obtaining the drugs, too many things to worry about.

>>9488171
>getting caught, obtaining the drugs

These are only worth mentioning, obtaining the drugs is easy and can be done online. Getting caught is the only kind of thing you should worry about, and really, cops don't go after the small fry.

>>9488171

The police do not hunt down shut-ins that grow small amounts of drugs for personal use. You won't even register on their radar, you're essentially invisible.

Whoa, this thread has a lot of posts.


When I'm on 10mg or more of Adderall instant release, I feel like I can do anything, and all of my fears mostly go away.

I can masturbate for over an hour straight, and then dance for hours in my room while listening to music.

After about six hours, I remember that I'm a hideously ugly, retarded, failure of a human being, and no one will ever love me.


I've been taking it for, about two months now, and the only negative side effects I have noticed are dry mouth, about 30 percent higher heart rate, increased body temperature, and being unable to go to sleep.

All of these effects go away once the six hours are up.


Adderall is Dextroamphetamine and Amphetamine, which is used for treating ADHD and narcolepsy.

You can get this drug by pretending to have ADHD, and telling your doctor you have trouble concentrating.

I had to fill out a quick survey from my doctor to see if I have ADHD.

Luckily for me, I studied adult ADHD before going to the doctor.

The doctor tried giving me a different ADHD drug, but I told him I would be more comfortable taking Adderall instead.

The doctor was completely fine with that, and wrote me my prescription script.

Just a warning, some doctors do not treat ADHD, so make sure to check first.

It is very hard to get ADHD drugs in the UK, but very easy to get in the U.S. or Australia.


In conclusion, I highly recommend this drug to everyone.


I'm about to go do something, so I will be unable to answer any questions right now.

>>9488702

>and then dance for hours in my room while listening to music.

I just finished doing that. Adderall sure is a great drug.

What do you actually see when you're hallucinating on LSD or mushrooms? Is it really something like this?

>>9489167

very rarely; one needs from 15-30 doses of LSD to see 3D persistent hallucinations such as that; and one should remember that it's a synaesthetic experience, so your body-self identification would be doing the same thing while seeing and hearing that. It's possible, but the most I've ever done is at a time is a full 10strip and I was lost in the fractals, but still grounded in reality for the most part.

>>9489167
LSD changes the way you think way more than it changes your vision.

>>9489211
This. I've found that it makes it impossible to create linear systems and define concrete boundaries on acid.

Mushrooms are a lot more visual, earthy, and less hyper-feeling. LSD is definitely more of a stimulant than Psilocybin.

>>9488702
your a yakui just like me w

>>9489256
go to bed sparky

How long do mushrooms last and how disconnected from reality do you become?

I'm a NEET and I still live with my mother. I would take the drugs when she's not home, but if for some reason she came home early I don't want her to get scared because I'm rolling around on the floor and unresponsive.

>>9489283

depends on dosage; if you're using P. Cubenisis like most people, .125 oz (an eighth by drug parlance) would be sufficient for an introductory experience, with psychedelic thinking and fractal imagery on plain surfaces. Anything more than .4 oz or so is the border at which you don't want any authority figures around for, as it becomes concentration consuming.

>>9489256

That makes me very happy.

Thank you.

What does it mean when people say that they feel like they, "became one with the universe" ?

I'm reading through experience stories on erowid and some of these people are mentioning stuff like how they felt like they were launched out of their bodies, forgot that their egos existed, and then somehow melded with the universe for what apparently felt like an endless period of time for them.

What does this actually mean? Do you get launched into the stars and start seeing planets or something? I'm confused.

>>9489167
They're probably nothing alike, but for what it's worth, when you're hallucinating on DPH all the hallucinations seem incredibly realistic. You're completely delirious so you can't tell what is a hallucination and what is real, which is why it's a deliriant. You don't ever really hallucinate nice things either. They're all pretty weird. For me it's lots of sounds like yells, voices, and tire screeches from outside, doorbells and phones ringing inside, visuals like bugs, faces, and sometimes birds. Then the day after you just feel like a robot. In all honesty I think the use of it in the past has kind of thrown me off my rocker.

To me, the best use of DPH is for masturbation.

>>9489349

Okay, to explain briefly, your senses aren't as sharp as is fully needed survivability; instead of making very good sensory organs, your brain tries to remember and re-project the non-essential or non-focused background stuff with memory (this is evident in your brain 'filling in' your blind spots, etc.) This same process takes gestalt perception and memories and creates a sense of selfhood from it (in both the 'my body is here', 'time and space work this way' and in the 'this is the nature of my human existence' senses)

When on a high dosage of psychedelic (or enough dissociative to make your brain freak out and start dumping seratonin because it thinks you're dying) this process is altered, and a person may have moments of complete destruction of re-presenting functions, as these have been hijacked by hallucinatory loops (the layer-5 neurons in the cerebral cortex, sensitive to 5-hydratypamine and chemicals shaped like it are responsible for lobe coordination, relaying between the limbic system and outer grey matter, and loop repetition, are responsible for this phenomena.)

Subjectively, you lose the feeling of having free will, may lose body recognition, and may also feel your sense of 'self' outside of your sense of body.

>>9489366

Note: DPH is a deliriant in the same class of substances as datura and nightshade. It is generally considered for masochists, causes perceptional hallucinations and delusions not discernable to the user as not real, makes simple actions hard to accomplish and is overall spooky and grim. Please approach with caution.

I get high quite often but it's honestly boring now. It's nice to just relax and such but i want to try something with a little more to it.

I don't want to be tripping balls for hours, just a little taste of something different that wont make me go crazy would be nice. Anything i should be looking for?

>>9489431

What do you enjoy about being high? What feelings or way you relate to the world do you want different? With my knowledge, I'm sure I would know of something enjoyable for you.

>>9489349
It's the feeling of the ego's absence. It feels like you're inseparable from everything around you--like the "you" isn't there. You don't see anything other than mild hallucinatory visual distortions, but you feel light and empty. If you aren't prepared for it, it can be quite frightening.

>>9489431
Meditate. If you seek something beyond shallow pleasure, drugs will not take you there. It doesn't have to be much, but every now and then stop thinking about things and simply exist in the present. It's a deeply moving and beautiful moment, and then it's gone.

I'm too scared to try psych's. I smoke marijuana ever fortnight, that's about it for me. Very pleasant, no comedown, increases my creativity, vocabulary and thinking power. I enjoy it. If I'm sitting around doing nothing anyway, I may as well enjoy myself.

>>9489531

What does it feel like to meditate on psychedelics?

>>9489460
I'm just able to relax and not care. I enjoy it a lot.
>>9489531
I can't. There's always too much to think about.

>>9489591
It's difficult. It's difficult to focus on anything when you're on psychedelics. Have you ever tried masturbating on a trip? It's practically impossible for me. I gave up trying to "open my mind" via psychedelics since all it really does is further obfuscate what's going on. If you're looking for a "weird" time, however, it's perfect.

>>9489618
>There's always too much to think about.
"Stop thinking" was putting it incorrectly. What you do is let your mind wander until it eventually tires out. Eventually you reach a point where there's an absence of self and it's simply "being". Everything feels "wide" and vibrant. If you're straining yourself, it won't work.

>>9489651

>I gave up trying to "open my mind" via psychedelics since all it really does is further obfuscate what's going on.

You can't actually open up your mind with psychedelics? I thought that's what those shaman and spiritual people used to do all the time.

>>9489862

it has a habit for destroying the linear thought required for modern data-manipulative existence, unless you specifically train yourself to those patterns (due to psychedelic neuro-plastic effects, this is possible). Shaman are shaman because their change in perception is made permanent by multiple and repeated high doses.

>>9489862

>I thought that's what those shaman and spiritual people used to do all the time.

I saw a documentary about this once actually. Before the shaman in south america will drink ayahuasca (DMT) they will spend years training themselves mentally through meditation and some other strange things like maintaining a calm trance state while someone pours freezing water on them.

Psychedelics when used by an untrained mind are mostly just the crazy trips you hear about. That mental training is needed to be able to maintain a calm and focused state during the experience and gain any useful insight. For most other people it's just a wild ride and a mindfuck.

>>9482771
I can't believe you don't like opiates. They are the most "protected" drug by the US, heck, even the entire world.
People like Cocaine and shit, it's cool to try it, amphetamines are good to do stuff yes, but when you're at home, you want to chill out, play some games, browse the net, feel pleasure around your body, and forget a little about your problems.

I'm not talking about injecting Heroin, but Codeine, Tramadol, Hydrocodone... oh boy, the mood you up, you can take them with some stimulants and you feel like god, you can take them with depressants (benzos for example) and chill the fuck out

There is a reason hard opiates are even harder to get than psychedelics. I got tired of psychedelics (except Ketamine, I think K is something else.. far superior), LSD opens your mind but when you do it for tenth times it gets a little boring, same with RC's.

Opiates = happiness, and love. And don't forget I'm talking about mild opiates.

>>9489900

>Shaman are shaman because their change in perception is made permanent by multiple and repeated high doses.

They experience hallucinations even when not on the drug or is it just the way they think? Kind of like how hippies who have been taking acid for years think and speak in a strange way.

>>9489990

>you can take them with some stimulants and you feel like god

This is why I like opiates and benzos. On their own I don't enjoy them that much, but they are perfect combination drugs. At just the right dosage you can get the best effects of both the stimulant and either the benzo or the opiate without the effects of one overpowering the other.

I want to buy some marijuana or shrooms off silkroad but I don't think I could ever do it. I'd probably be too scared to buy bitcoins, let alone buy some stuff off silkroad and have it shipped to my house. The only thing that would be on my mind until they got here would be, "When are the cops going to knock down my door?"

It's unfortunate for me I guess.

Oh god, why are you guys taking benzos? Stop before it's too late. That shit is fucking terrible.

Benzo withdrawal is absolute hell. There is no drug on the planet that has a withdrawal as bad as benzos. It took me years to feel okay again after I stopped taking klonopin, it will brutally rape your GABA receptors and make you feel like shit for years and sometimes they will never recover.

Kicking a heroin addiction is easier than benzo withdrawal. Anyone who says that withdrawaling from an opiate is rough has never withdrawaled from taking benzos regularly. About two weeks of vomiting and chills? I would have loved to have that.

Seriously, just stick to opiates. Benzos are not even that great. Opium is just as good for sedation and you get a few extra things like euphoria and happiness.

>>9490063

Why not just grow your own mushrooms? Unless you live in California, Idaho, or Georgia then mushroom spores are completely legal and you can order them right off a regular site. Growing mushrooms is the simplest thing to grow, the total price including the spores is maybe 50 dollars to have a full setup for growing.

How difficult is it to grow enough poppies to have a small dose each day?

After seeing >>9490075 I don't want to take my valium anymore, but I need something to replace it. The chances of me getting an indefinite pain killer prescription are low, so I would prefer to grow it.

>>9482771
Some people with genuine anxious problems and a short history of seizures, thanks a lot here are so many different benzos:

Diazepam: 10-20mg every day. I feel normal and I'm not so anxious.

Clonazepam: 4-6mg every day. I start feeling like being on bed a lot more, but I'm still able to go out normally and my anxiety is gone.

Alprazolam: 4-6mg with some Provigil or Adderall and I have 4-6 hours of god tier thinking.

Opiates and any benzo at low dose: the recipe to chill out.

Opiates and lots of benzos: Opiates feels and last more. Difficult waking at morning.

If I'm not on ANY benzos (at least 10mg Diazepam per day) I can't sleep, my brain is constantly thinking worth or worthless things and I am super speedy, not euphoric, but I'm not fine.

And yes, benzos withdrawal it's practically impossible at some point. Did lots of Cocaine without any downer... never again. Freaked out badly, my body moved on it's own, I got mini seizures...

I take 1ug Clonidine and 2-4mg Clonazepam to sleep every night. Provigil helps me wake up and Memantine (NMDA antagonist) helps maintain my tolerance to any drug.

>>9490159

That's a lot of benzos. How high is your tolerance?

Is it possible for me to do anything dangerous on mushrooms?

I'm not scared of a bad trip, I don't care if I freak out or something like that, but I don't want to be so disoriented that I hurt myself without realizing it and then die.

>>9490063
1. Money, once turned into buttcoins, is completely untraceable. Hence it's used as money laundering. If feds ever cared, they'd see that you have buttcoins and then where they went is completely unknown.
2. When you buy with buttcoins, it's completely anonymous, of course, but so is the purchaser. Anyone can order whatever to whoever they please and claim that they're whoever they want. You could send barack obama some heroin and get away with it.

>>9490482
No, it's pretty damn unlikely. You might do weird things, but losing your self preservation is not something that happens.
Of course there are freak accidents, but if you prepare your environment beforehand, you can remove dangers.

>>9490514

>Of course there are freak accidents, but if you prepare your environment beforehand, you can remove dangers.

Are there any specific precautions I should take?

For example, I really don't want to go outside. I never go out and I certainly don't want to be tripping and walking around in the street. Should I find some way to lock myself in before I take the mushrooms or will I be aware enough not to do something like walk outside of my apartment?

>>9488129

salvia a shit

terrifying

>>9490504

I know, but I'd still be worried about it. Maybe if I get a job I'll try it

What's the best site for buying shroom spores?

I've been doing hallucinogens for over 10 years.

I abused them a little bit and I wouldn't recommend doing that, but I'd recommend them anyway. I used to do LSD every week for a couple of years and sometimes would be on shrooms on other days too. I've been on a break for about a year and a half though.

Salvia is fun, but it scares people because it's cheap, legal and you just don't expect it to be so intense. When I first did it I was expecting maybe a few warping patterns in the corner of my eye, I didn't expect reality to be flushed away and to be stuck in a giant lego brick next to a Mayan temple.

DMT...well, as some have mentioned. That's just....ongo bongo really. Hallucinogenic drugs are very amazing and so on, but there is always your sanity in the background somewhere in case you need it. But DMT: nope. DMT is like touching into the next dimension, it goes beyond 'I've taken a drug' and more into 'This is scarily real' territory.

>>9490063

I wouldn't order weed off silkroad. Stuff like acid or whatever is fine because you can put it into a birthday card and it's odorless etc.

Weed smells a fair bit, sure the guy you buy it from might have wrapped it up so it's odorless, but all it takes is something to accidentally puncture it in transit and that smell will be EVERYWHERE and there will be questions as to why weed is being sent to you.

You can grow your own weed, it's not as difficult as people make out; I know people who have accidentally grown weed in their compost bins and stuff, it's not all UV lights and shit. And if not, just buy it from someone - I used to be full hikki and hated talking to anybody but I was fine with talking to dealers because they don't ask questions and are too busy selling drugs or whatever to stop and talk to you about your personal life, they prefer it that way. Most of them don't work anyway, they understand NEET's and hikkis even if they don't know the words themselves, guys who stay in and only go out to buy drugs...they know what that's like.