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What in the living fuck does this have to do with anything this board is for?

>>9472685

What's this board for?

>>9472692

I have no idea. But still, this thread is uncalled for.

The girl i took to high school prom was being molested by her step father at the time. I didn't find out until later though.

>>9472704

"Why did you put water in that cup?"
"Well, I dunno, what's the cup supposed to hold?"
"It could hold anything. But you shouldn't have put water in it."

what

>>9472685
What do 10 out of 15 of the threads on the front page have to do with the board?

>>9472723

"Why did you put shit in that cup?"
"Well, I dunno, what's the cup supposed to hold?"
"It could hold anything. But you shouldn't have put shit in it."

FTFY

>>9472736

Yep, you sure modified that analogy in a fallacious manner, since human feces has negative connotations related to ingestion.

How in the flying fuck exactly would I respond to something I don't know about?

>>9472723
This is the most retarded thing I've read today.

>>9472751

You can suspect something without being strictly aware of it

I always try to make friends with people who had a painful past.
i find them interesting and want to help them.
That probally started when I played Yume Nikki and realized that there are people like Madotsuki out there who are interesting and nice but they need help.
There's alot of wrong with that and myself though

>>9472746

>human feces has negative connotations related to ingestion.

Just like OP and this thread

I girl I knew was gang raped when she was 13.
I didn't know until like a year ago when a mutual friend informed me.
I don't talk to her anymore but I hear she got married and lives a very happy life and I'm happy for her.

>>9472762

Are you sure you're not just doing it because being around vulnerable people makes you feel comparatively secure?

>>9472771
Not really, I'm very vulnerable myself.
But I can't shake the feeling off that my urge to help people is wrong and egoistic

>>9472765

There's better chances of being struck by lightning than living ``very happily'' while married.

>>9472765
>I girl I knew was gang raped when she was 13.
Do you have more details on that part?

>>9472784
>I'm very vulnerable myself.

Well, yeah. A very secure person wouldn't need help to feel secure.

>>9472784
Of course it is, there's a reason psychologists are always shitty egotistical people.

>>9472810
What are you talking about?
I have nowhere mentioned that I'm the one gaining help

>>9472788
lol, you're probably right.
Either way she never acted traumatized around me or others (as far as i know) and I'm glad she's able to lead a normal life despite something so horrible happening to her. I'm not sure if I would ever recover.

>>9472765
Child abusers should be executed. Unfortunately our culture is very permissive of rape, so they rarely get punished at all.

>>9472833
That's funny because I also want to become a psychologist

>>9472801
I didn't get DETAILS other than she was assaulted and she was sober and awake during the ordeal.
I didn't even want to know that.

I'd rape her. I mean, you already know that she's good at keeping that kind of secret.

>>9472849

I absolutely hate everything about rape, but I wouldn't really go so far as to say society is `very permissive' of rape. I do recognize that there's stupid amounts of victim-blaming related to rape and that plenty of rape is never brought to court for a myriad of terrible reasons though.

>>9472869

Wow, so edgy! Dark like my heart.

>>9472849
I agree.
The thing is that she kept it a secret for so long.
Her family doesn't even know.
Some victims are so ashamed that people usually get away with this sort of thing.

>>9472872
Rape is not limited to violent rape by strangers, you know - that's where the real problem starts.

>>9472872
:(

I just remember reading an article in the paper one time, about an eleven year old girl who was gangraped. They ordered her to strip, and they all raped her. And the article just kept saying things like "we feel this event has done a terrible thing to our community."

A girl was raped, and all they care about is "the community"? And the article refused to actually identify the criminals AS criminals. The tone it was written in made it sound like the rape just committed itself. Just... argh.

They also expressed sorrow at the mens' arrest (feeling sorry for rapists). Whoever wrote that article should have been fired.

>>9472903
If I were raped, I wouldn't tell my family, because people instantly assume you have mental health problems and start treating you different (lol self-fulfilling prophecy)

I don't want to be "that girl who was raped by six guys at a bus stop."

On a social level, people should be encouraged to kill their tormentors more often. Just the threat of it would probably reduce levels of serious bullying and rape. Even now and then you hear tales about people who stopped being bullied because everyone was afraid they would snap and shoot up the school.

>>9472997
Columbine only got media attention because that's exactly what happened. Bullied kids killed their tormenters.

If some snobby cheerleader or rich jock killed a computer nerd, everyone would forget about it in a week. But when it's the other way around... everyone was OUTRAGED at these two kids, because they didn't lie back and accept the bullying like they were supposed to.

>>9472986

I literally have never liked a single tripcode user as much as you

Keep making good posts

>>9473013
Columbine was not advisable because a lot of the people who were killed had nothing to do with them at all. Vengeance should be directed at the people directly responsible, not the world.

>If some snobby cheerleader or rich jock killed a computer nerd
There is no reason a snobby cheerleader or rich jock would ever need or even want to kill a computer nerd. Either you didn't think this through or you're just on a lark, probably the latter based on who I'm talking to.

Why are people still pro-death penalty? Many people have been found out to be innocent do to recent DNA evidence being reexamined post-execution. Not to mention minorities have a much higher percentage of death sentences compared to whites, because the judicial system still has some racism and cannot be trusted enough to decide life and death.

>>9473028 There is no reason a snobby cheerleader or rich jock would ever need or even want to kill a computer nerd
The fact that you would even say this proves the point I was trying to make. You think "nerds" are lower, that their lives don't matter as much.

>>9473025
Makes you wonder what some people are capable of when they don't put on their retard persona huh?

>>9473025
>>9473058

>>9473054
At least use somewhat plausible arguments if you're going to do this. It's marginally more interesting that way.

>>9473053

I'm against the death penalty because the law system should be about rehabilitation, not `justice.' I don't think there's a human on the planet who's truly accountable for any decision; there's too many factors to consider. Pickpockets, for example, make the choice to become pickpockets based upon a set of things out of their control: maybe they value others' happiness less than others do because their parents were narcissists, or maybe they never developed a proper moral compass or something.

I think every bad decision is the result of a deficiency out of the person's control. It's silly to blame them for their actions, then, and to punish them for these things which are out of their control. A better idea is to help them make up for the deficiencies so they don't repeat their bad decisions.

>>9473120
Justice must be done, though the heavens fall.

Some people find justice to be its own intrinsic good.

>>9473120
It's true that nobody chooses to be poor, or abused or whatever, but there's a point where you have to stop treating everyone like children.

>>9472771

>>9473147

Why is it ``treating them like children?''

Can you think of a single action which isn't motivated by an external factor outside the person't control? A 100% internalized decision?

>>9473164
There aren't any, but a distinction between adults and children is that adults are assumed to have responsibility for their own actions. You seem to withdraw the idea of personal responsibility for everyone, period.

>>9473191

Well, yeah. Who cares if it's contrary to the usual perception of what it means to be an ``adult?'' Existing for a few years and consequently having a better (but still imperfect) schema for understanding the world doesn't somehow make you responsible for things outside your contorl.

>>9473213
People normally aren't punished for things over which they have no agency, but a person's own actions are assumed to be under their control, even if they are susceptible to influence.

>>9473164
I only killed your family and stole your money because I wasted all of mine gambling. It's not my fault.

>>9473232

Unless they don't meet the arbitrary threshold of intelligence set by humans.

See: people under <x> age being unable to be accountable for most things, animals being unable to be accountable for most things, etc.

>>9473259

But that's *not* the reason. Losing your money on a gambling trip doesn't make you a murderer - nobody comes out of the womb capable of performing terrible crimes like homicide.

>>9473277
>nobody comes out of the womb capable of performing terrible crimes like homicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

>>9473277
Yeah they do, everyone does. Some people just want to kill. Some people just want money or power, and are willing to kill to get what they want. Just because you can't imagine yourself committing murder doesn't mean that some people don't choose to do it.

What you are displaying is egocentrism, the belief that others have the same emotional responses that you do.

>>9473334

>Some people just want to kill.

You know they don't just feel this way magically, right? There's an actual mental illness causing them to have disregard for human life.

>>9473322
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT RIGHT NOW!

BECAUSE I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE USING "SOCIOPATH" AS A BAD WORD. PEOPLE THINK SOCIOPATH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH CRIMINAL, AND IT'S NOT! ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER IS A DISORDER PEOPLE CAN'T HELP THEY HAVE, AND NOT ALL SOCIOPATHS ARE CRIMINALS!

>>9473347

japanese officer scolds troops

>>9473277
>>9473341
People are socialized into not being murderers. In many societies, gratuitously inflicting death was neither interesting nor particularly abhorred, unless you were on the receiving end.

>>9473341
All serial killers are mentally ill pretty much by definition, but serial killers are a very tiny percentage of all murderers. And not all mentally ill people become murderers. Again, requesting you stop assuming "mentally ill" and "criminal" synonymous.

>>9473389
What if you are a soldier?

Or a doctor?

Or you killed people in self defense?

Do you mean predatory murderers that have little to gain except for the joy of killing?

>>9473389

I said that all murderers are mentally ill, not all mentally ill people are murderers.

>>9473347
He said not all people are born with the ability to murder, but sociopaths are. Nobody said they all were killers, but they certainly are mentally capable.

Cope with the situation.

Stop responding, idiots.

>>9473401
Murder has been an acceptable occurrence (if somewhat frowned upon) among otherwise perfectly normal people for centuries. Deposed an emperor? Everybody knows you're going to murder his son, because you're not stupid and you rather enjoy having your head on your shoulders. Conquered a country? Kill the men, rape the women. Someone raped your wife? Kill him. Equating it murder with mental illness is stupid.

Anyone who announces they are a female in their fucking tripcode is nothing but an attention-whoring subhuman.

>>9473427
lol dis nigga doesn't know that mental illnesses are culture bound

Pedophilia was normal a time ago too, but nowadays it's a mental illness.

>>9473428
Well as I see it retardpersona tripcodes are easily ignored.
But if they go out of their way to actually stop playing pretend while holding a discussion then I don't see what's wrong with entering that discussion

>>9473403 He said not all people are born with the ability to murder, but sociopaths are.
But that's wrong. All people ARE born with the ability to murder. I could kill someone if I wanted, but I don't.

>>9473400
Yes, that's the definition of a serial killer. It's someone who commits murder as a compulsive behavior, not out of any kind of necessity or long-term benefit.

>>9473435
The poster mentioned that only mentally ill people would have such disregard for human life. That suggests a universal.

>>9473445
speaking of entering things, hows ur mom doing? LOL

>>9473463

With the desire to murder, idiot.

>>9473463
Well of course everyone could physically murder someone, sperglord. But the average person would not kill someone because they needed some money, but a sociopath might.

Are you one of those people who thinks Charles Manson is super DARK AND EDGY LIKE MY SOUL?

Sociopaths are monsters who don't deserve your empathy though. I mean sure they were born that way and it's not their fault but that's still how it is. You can feel all the empathy you want towards them but they don't give a FUCK about you.

>>9473480
Charles Manson actually makes a lot of sense and he doesn't deserve a life sentence, look up some of his interviews. The media convicted him, not a proper trial.

>>9473505
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCSdLtNZbaA

>>9473510
i'm proud to have never actually heard this song, unlike you

i've just heard people repeating its lyrics for a very long time

>>9473475
You never said desire. The word desire was not used.

I'm willing to grant that not everyone comes out of the womb with the desire to commit murder, but what does that have to do with anything? You don't come out of the womb a fully conscious, rational adult. These are mature crimes we're talking about.

>>9472964
In defense of the paper, it's considered slander, which can get them sued, to call the alleged rapists criminals until they're convicted by a court of law. It is mostly a formality that they weren't referred to as criminals yet, but still an important one as to not undermine the justice system.

>>9473491
> You can feel all the empathy you want towards them but they don't give a FUCK about you.
Bullshit. This is just an excuse to hate them even more. If you want to hate someone for their crimes, do it. Don't slap the label of sociopath on them and then hate them based on that, which is likely not true.

>>9473510
http://youtu.be/kMqaxMUk44I

>>9473540
btw im a sociopath

>>9473535

Why are you having a semantic argument? You very much knew what was meant.

Are you just another one of those morons who looks at an argument as an opportunity to prove how ``smart'' they are, instead of an opportunity to get to the truth of a contested matter?

I heard there was a girl in this thread? A damaged girl, no less? Wanna go out with me?

>>9473540
>Bullshit. This is just an excuse to hate them even more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

>Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.


Please seek help.

>>9473549
No. :(

I get the point you're trying to make. "People aren't born criminals, we're just products of our environment and experiences." But you still have choices. You don't get to choose where you're born or what you're given, but you decide what to make of it.

I don't think there's some brain scan or litmus test that lets you know if someone will be a criminal. That's some dystopian, Minority Report thinking you've got going on.

>>9473567
Damaged?! >:s

>>9473579
But these people claim that sociopaths cannot be cured. Thus why they just call them monsters and evil and don't empathize. Every single piece of information you can find on sociopaths is either neutral or warns you about them, how to spot them, and how to make sure to completely cut contact with them if you identify them as one. There is no "save the socipaths"

>>9473583

Choice is a word without meaning. A choice is at its simplest the simultaneous firing of a bundle of neurons within the brain; the decision was made by the electrons regrouping themselves, not some mystical vehicle of choice.

>>9473596
you're so deep man I wish I was plato mc socrates like you dude yeah we have no choice and its all like atoms and stuff man

>>9473592
Sociopathy is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

>Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
>Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
>Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
>Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
>Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

They sound like nice people.

>>9473610

I fit like all of those other than the callous unconcern part

I find myself fitting like every mental illness symptom though, so maybe I just have low self-esteem

>>9473592 people claim that sociopaths cannot be cured. Thus why they just call them monsters and evil and don't empathize
This is exactly why I don't like psychologists. They say they're trying to help, but when they can't help they either say it can't be done, or worse they blame the patient for "refusing to be helped." So full of themselves.

>>9473632
>full of themselves
Says the person with a tripcode.

>>9473641

PPPA-ZINNNGGG

ICE BURN

>>9473610
>>9473610
The DSM-IV was written from the perspective of smug, self-congratulatory saucepans whose idea of helping someone is to isolate them from everyone else.

I think the problem with the label of sociopathy is that there's a marked difference between people with physical dopamine-pathway problems with mirror neurons, and people who find no interest in society, but continue to feel empathy; the one term is used to cover both groups by laymen.

>>9473650
You never answered my question. Wanna go out with me or not? If not, please explain why.

>>9473650
You seem extremely defensive of sociopaths and very hostile towards the authority of psychologists.

Are you by chance diagnosed with sociopathy?

>>9473665
edgy as HELL

>>9473540
A personality disorder is a problem with a person's personality. If someone has antisocial personality disorder, all it means is that they are a MASSIVE dick. Dysfunctionally so. They don't need help, they just need to stop being such fucking monstrous dicks.

It's not like they have some kind of illness which stops them from being a decent person who can take part properly in working society.

>>9473676

Look, dude, put your tripcode back on. That's not even what ``edgy'' is.

>>9473684
Sociopathy is the #1 edgy teen personality disorder.

>>9473678

in the same way that someone with cancer ``just needs to stop having such a dysfunctional group of cells''

>>9473678
Uh, actually, that's exactly what a disordered personality IS, dude.

>>9473665
No, I'm caring and empathetic. I care about all the disorders. All of them! It's just APD seems to be the one on the chopping block today. If this were any other day, I'd probably be lecturing you on why you shouldn't use the word "aspie" in a demeaning way.

I don't understand how a shit anime thread turns into an interesting conversation about accountability. What kind of thread alchemy is at play here?

>>9473710
maybe you should find some hobby other than whiteknighting on the internet, lady.

Did PotC get a new trip?

Trannys are mentally ill.

>>9473733
tumblr is so fucking retarded.
I can understand wanting equal rights, but equating a ``gender binary" bathroom ``system" with rape is just...what the fuck?

>>9473733

I'm really tired of this /b/-esque standard of taking a picture of a person saying something dumb and then using this as evidence that the entire group they belong to is dumb.

I know a white guy who thinks oranges are a vegetable. From this, I infer that all white people think oranges are vegetables!

>>9473750
Tranny detected.

I play games with someone who I think might be damaged goods of some sort. He's very shameless, seemingly happy and actively participates in conversation on ventrilo. Except when anything even remotely personal comes up. He will deflect every question thrown at him in a cheerful way, sometimes he also just disappears for weeks and no one knows how to contact him. After 8 years we still don't know his first name.

>>9473760

Wow, great one. I bet Lincoln was a closet slave too. You've opened our eyes.

>>9473771
>>9473760
You are both being pretty dumb. Maybe you should just kiss and make up before it gets any sillier between you two.

>>9473771
If you have a Y chromosome you will never be female.

>>9473733
>>9473760
But bathrooms aren't even a gender thing. They are entirely sex.

>>9473784
Inb4 delusional mentally ill tranny rambling about how gender is a social construct.

>>9473782
UH....actually...yeah, it does. If I'm not into it, I don't have to fuck you.
That's kinda what rape is, dumbass.

I know you didn't write these, guy that's posting them, but the shit that comes out of tumblr is just depressing. The worst of humanity, really.

>>9473799
My point is that logic isn't relevant. Most transgenders realize the difference between sex and gender and don't have a problem with something like how bathrooms are segregated. I honestly don't believe that these people are actually transgendered. It seems more like they are just doing it for attention.

>>9473710 I care about all the disorders
Calling bullshit on this. I've never seen you get this angry about the autism thing, and /jp/ uses it a lot.

And disrespecting the authority of psychologists is consistent with sociopathic behavior.

More like they've ALL had painful pasts that I ended up finding out about midway through the relationship or shortly after.

-One girl ended up cheating on her first boyfriend with his brother, guy kills himself, she ends up being suicidal from it, but eventually pulled herself out of it. We ended up drifting apart.

-Had to talk another off a bridge, literally. She had snapped at a bully about how lonely she was, and then the next thing I see is her texting a picture of the downside of a bridge. She later told me she was raped at like 14 or something. We broke up on bad terms, mostly me breaking up with her, but are now friends again.

- Another seems to be severely depressed about feeling lonely and isolated. I'm not really sure about that though. Told me she gotten a scar on her chest when she broke up with some guy who went crazy. We have more of an off and on relationship that's spanned years. I still feel strongly about her.

>>9473834
>and then the next thing I see is her texting a picture of the downside of a bridge
What a fucking attention whore. She wouldn't have done it.

>>9473828

>And disrespecting the authority of psychologists is consistent with sociopathic behavior.

Do you not even fucking see how ironic that is. If you disagree with their undeserved "authority", then they declare you to be "mentally ill"?

I guess Thomas Szasz is "mentally ill" too. Psychology, and especially psychiatry is a fucking pseudoscience.

>>9473828 the authority of psychologists
It's a man-made authority. I respect REAL authority. The divine right to lead, the kind of authority you can only be born with.

>>9473862
I am flattered you think so well of me.

>>9473862
Wooooah, really?
People still believe in god in this day and age?
bwhaahahahhahaaa

>>9473859
>I guess Thomas Szasz is "mentally ill" too.
You mean that Batman guy?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he kinda is, bro..

>>9473892
Szasz is one of Batman's more normal villains. He is a serial killer who scars himself for every victim.

>>9473859
Saying someone's behavior is consistent with an illness isn't the same as saying they have that illness. It's lingo you hear all the time in the sciences. "These results are consistent with my hypothesis."

Like, say I suspect my best friend is an alien. The next day, I see he has green skin. It could have just as easily been a freak dying accident, but green skin is -consistent- with my hypothesis that he's an alien.

>>9473912
But psychology is a pseudoscience where the outward symptoms are the illness.

Someone acts in a certain way, and you decide to call that whatever "illness" in particular. But this gives no additional information, it's just a way to classify their behavior.

Unlike a real illness where a diagnosis includes finding the underlying causes and therefore producing information such as cures and prognosis.

Psychology is seeing someone with a runny nose and diagnosing them with running nose syndrome.

>>9473931
Obviously you know very little about the field.
Just because it seems really dumb to you doesn't mean there's more to it.
I'd recommend reading up on the subject more before making yourself look further stupid.

>>9473954
No, because that would be filling my head with nonsense. I may as well go study ptolemaic system.

>>9473931
Psychology is quickly becoming obsolete anyway, you're totally fucked if you graduate with a psych degree these days.

Things like OCD, ADHD, and (maybe soon?) autism ARE treatable with medications. I'm talking like, people who are completely non-functional, then they're given a pill and suddenly you'd never even guess they had a neuro disorder.

Things that are purely psychological, like Stockholm's, Munchausen's etc. can be "treated" with therapy but those are pretty uncommon and they're not what anyone thinks of when they hear "psychiatric disorder."

Psychologists are throwing autism diagnoses EVERYWHERE in a desperate bid to stay relevant, but people are slowly catching on that Asperger's is made up bullshit.

>>9473931
>>9473987
Obvious samefag. You might want to work on how you space your sentences, kid.

>>9473954
"You're a hundred years too early to argue with me!"

I have a feeling this is a formal logical fallacy, but I don't know what it's called.

>>9473987
This. I have three friends who are all bachelor's or higher degrees in psych and none of them have jobs. One of them has avoided this for going for his master's then doctorate.

>>9473992
Almost all 4chan posts are spaced like that, newfag.

What you're saying is basically "omg, samefag! The way you capitalize the first letter of a sentence totally gives it away!"

>>9474005
Moving the goalpost?

>>9474078
ITT: guy throws around newfag without realizing everyone instantly knows he's new.

>>9474005
I don't really think I get you there, boss.
All I meant was, if you have a rudimentary knowledge of something, maybe learn a little more about it before just going ``HURR DURR THAT'S DUMB BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT."

>>9474083
No, that's when the original objective of your opponent was to prove one thing, and when that was proved to you, you claim that what they actually need to prove is something else.

For example, you say that there's no fruit in the lunchbox. I inspect it and pull out an orange. You say "see, there's no apple, I was right"

>>9474005
No, it's not a formal logical fallacy. Formal logical fallacies are misuses of logic. Things like that are, I believe, called fallacies of relevance.

>>9474092
You sure like examples with food, don't you fatty?

>>9474092
I'm preemptively calling it moving the goalpost because that's the only way this could possibly go.

Person A: X!
Person B: Actually, Y.
Person A: No idiot, read a book!
Person B: I read the book. Still Y.
Person A: Well obviously you didn't understand it! Read ANOTHER book!
etc.

Telling someone to do more research, instead of just telling them why they're wrong, is a stalling tactic.

>>9474089

I'm not him, or anyone you replied to. But I have extensive amounts of knowledge on the way both psychology and psychiatry work, their history, and their downfalls.

Anyone who has objectively studied psychiatry or psychology, had experience in dealing with them, and isn't retarded, would be able to clearly see that is pure unadulterated pseudoscience. There is literally no science involved whatsoever when a psychology/psychiatrist "diagnoses" someone with a "mental illness".

Maybe you need to do some studying on this subject.

>>9474128
I didn't mean it like that, and that wasn't my intent, but whatever, Mr. Thought Police. geez.

I was groped by an old Asian man at the swap meet. First and last time I ever went.

>>9474132
Well, I'm sorry, but I disagree with you sir. I believe we are still allowed to have differences of opinion, are we not?
Perhaps you are correct, but if you see the same symptoms over and over again, but cannot figure out the cause, isn't there still a problem? Just because you haven't figured it out all the way yet doesn't mean it isn't real. Maybe not the best work out there yet, or something, but that doesn't mean there aren't legitimate psychopaths or people with bipolar disorder out there.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you, sir.

>>9474132
Based on an anecdotal evidence of one person I know, this is true.

>>9474186

> but if you see the same symptoms over and over again
>isn't there still a problem

I never said mental issues weren't real. The "symptoms" however, are not symptoms, just personality traits, emotions, and behaviors. They're as real as happiness, guilt, or any other feeling/behavior. These can be incredibly stressful on a persons mental health and I of all people know this.

I call psychiatry a pseudoscience, because their job is to take personality traits, emotions, and behaviors, give them a label, then tell people they are an indication of a biological disease in the brain with no proof to back that up, no science involved at all.

Then even go as far as to tell people the way to "cure" their "disease" is to take psychoactive drugs in which they call "medicine". That have often taken people with mild mental issues, and turned them into complete basket cases.


The criterion of symptoms used in the diagnostic process of "mental illnesses" are completely real, the label and the implications that come with that label are nothing short of pseudoscience though.

>>9474259
That's not true, though. If you exhibit such-and-such behaviors/personality traits - and it's a problem for you to function - then it's a disorder. If you have no problems interacting with others (can hold a job, have friends, etc.) it's probably not a big deal. People don't just up and go to the psychiatrist or psychologist because they feel fine.

I don't really get the whole paranoia with medications thing. I used to feel, when I was younger, that psych. doctors were med-happy and wanted a pill to erase any problems you have, but as I get older, I realize that's not the case, and that I have disordered thinking that causes me to behave in a paranoid manner. Or perhaps it's a learned behavior of disordered thinking from my dad who is paranoid schizophrenic. I'm not entirely sure, but I really don't think most doctors out there are trying to engage in pseudoscience and dope you up. I think you're being a teensy bit paranoid.

>>9474316

>then it's a disorder.

I wish I didn't have to explain this in every single one of these arguments.

According to psychiatry, "disorders", or any "mental illness", is caused by a biological disease inside the brain.

Even though they have never found a single etiology or biomarker, they still claim that.

It's not me being paranoid either, I could not even tell you how much amphetamines were floating around my school because every single kid who got bad grades was "diagnosed" with "ADD/ADHD".

I guarantee you every single person on earth could fit into the criterion to be "diagnosed" with something from the DSM, including the psychiatrists themselves. Yet they still claim every single thing in there is caused by a biological disease in the brain that they have not found yet. It's a fucking joke.

>>9474373
Well, if people are saying that's the case, then they are wrong; you're correct.
But since they can't identify any underlying cause to the "disorder," then they can't call it a disease.

I suppose we ended up agreeing.