/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Think about it. Japan has a large population in a small landmass, meaning a high amount of competition, so to speak.
Since you can't have people fighting in the streets for superiority like savages like they do in murrika, they try to outdo each other with their art.

I guess one person decided to make the anime/manga style a little bit like it is today, and it caught on, eventually developing into the clusterfuck of awesome it is today.

There's just more ways to make money through your art in Japan compared to other countries. Thus, more artists.

YOu can become famous by drawing in japan , even if you do it as a non proffesional artist

In the western world if you want to make money off art you had better have big family connections or a knack of drawing comic book superhero looking women in fetish situations

It's all that autism the nuke left

>>9212596
But there is a reason for that, right? It's not just a cultural thing, or we would have creative equivalents in the West, but it doesn't seem like any countries has an amateur scene as developed as the Japanese one.
I may be wrong, of course.

Because easterners is more acceptable of art than westerners.

Western art has reached its peak long ago and now even canned soup is considered art.

>>9212621
Isn't deviantart kind of like the western equivalent of pixiv?

I don't know much about deviantart. I never really got interested about lurking it.

>>9212636
It's for tween emo anime club goers

>>9212623
He actually crossed those mountains on a Mule, not a horse.

>>9212621
>creative equivalents in the West, but it doesn't seem like any countries has an amateur scene as developed as the Japanese one.
We have.
Now stop being a delusional weeaboo.

>>9212697
Maybe you list some examples.

>Why are there so many Japanese artists?
The proportion of artists is related to how much market do they have, if it moves lots of money it's logical that there's lots of artists.

>Why is their production so interesting and developed?
You lost me, they're not famous for the quality but for the high amount of decent work, they're successful because animation and manga are trendy in the west right now.

Are they superior or something?
They're unique, some of their works are incredible good for the budget they had.

>>9212700
Any modern artist.

Also, anime isn't art.

>>9212700
Look at deviantart.

They have a culture of working very hard. We have a culture of lazing around. Ex: /jp/

I'd say there are actually more artists in the Western World, but not in the 2D scene. So for people with our hobbies, it may seem like Japan has more artists that are interesting and developed.

>>9212716
Anime is art, anything that can evoke feelings is a form of art.

One of the problems with the art scene in the western world is that we have this screwed up expectation that comics have to be colored

>>9212720
>Deviantart

L

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FUCKING

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>>9212719
>They have a culture of working very hard.
But they can't think for own.
>>9212722
Of course we have artists on the 2D world.
Also, people that put their pixiv or anything like that aren't real artists.
>artists that are interesting and developed.
Minimalist art got old decades ago.

When it comes to visual arts:

Better art classes as part of compulsory education. They actually do life sketches and stuff.

School clubs where you can further develop your abilities, if you're so inclined.

Cultural heritage that makes them appreciate art that actually focuses on aesthetics. This is probably the most important part, and while there are many Japanese artists that fit in the western canon of art that only functions in the cognitive sphere of the art critics' world, there's also a disproportionately high number of artists that produce works appreciable by an average person.

When it comes to music, I'm not so sure on the details and where it came from, but there's an ENORMOUS amateur band scene.

>>9212762
*their own

>>9212742
This is one thing I can't understand. Why?
What's with the color infatuation? It's not worth the time and effort unless it's about cover art or something.

>>9212742
Only the toddlers, I remember reading both manga and western comics in black and white and being superior to the old horrible colour ink, good colour still feels like a luxury rather than a demand for those born in the 80s and the early 90s.

>>9212742
Good to see you don't know shit about western comic books, then.

Venture outside the mainstream cape books sometime, eh.

>>9212727
I am talking about the artstyle.
If you think about it, anime is kitsch.

For example, this >>9212649 art doesn't even look like a tratitional Japanese art because of the modern kitsch influences.

>>9212784
Provide examples or endure the despair you will know when you realize that this post will be utterly ignored beyond this perfunctory response.

There are plenty of western artists. There are western comic conventions. There are western small time artists. The West doesn't need a doujin scene anyway because they have webcomics.

>>9212800
doujin scene > webcomics

>>9212806
My dick > your ass

>>9212792
You may be right but being kitsch or not is still art, while I agree that today's style is too far from reality, trying to recreate a imaginary archetype of beauty thus being, like you said, kitsch it's still a form of expresion and as such it still has its place in the world of art.

>>9212742
Personally I liked the calvin & hobbes format of weekly black and white strips with a sunday colored strip. It was obviously done like that because comic strips became less and less relevant for selling a newspaper, but it certainly kept a good quality standard.

>>9212814
Ok, but it's not "so interesting and developed" like OP said.

Wait, I thought we were talking about Japanese artists?

Because if you kids are still stuck perceiving anime/manga/related stuff as the totality of modern Japanese art you don't even see a fraction of it all.

>>9212826
>interesting
It's a matter of opinion.

>developed

It's based on Tezuka work and it has grown in different ways, I think it's mature enough to be called developed but these kind of things can't be discussed seriously until we enter a new era and we can see the previous one with a defined start and end.

>>9212826
I really like it that the realm of subectivity is so craftily summoned by all the connoisseurs of modern art but, when someone tries to join in on the fun, their art is considered objectively bad or worthless or not even art at all. How a piece can be considered art for evoking feelings but then getting extremely irritated when they don't like something being considered art.

I'll take a picture of yukari trying too hard to look younger than she looks to the fountain as the center piece of my house.

>>9212813
My dick > your mom

>>9212843
You have a terrible rebuttal, but you can probably be a poet.

>>9212854
I wasn't the guy you were talking with. I was just poiting out something you so kindly helped me demonstrate with this one post of yours.

>>9212843
You must understand that most anime "artists" do their art to appeal the population, to show how "skillful" they are.
Thus, doing kitsch art.

>>9212860
What I'm saying is that you use the deepest, most pretentious English language available. Not all of us can understand.

They're just better because it's in their genes. Even the whole language is an art itself. Kanji are all beautiful miniature paintings when you realize it. Westerners cannot hope to ever come close art-wise, because beauty is not appreciated in our culture as it is in theirs.

>>9212899
Not a weeaboo btw

>>9212899
see
>>9212792
>>9212762

Japanese people does not need to cater to savages, unlike the US.

>>9212899
>Even the whole language is an art itself. Kanji are all beautiful miniature paintings when you realize it.
I hope you are talking about asians in general.

>>9212912
Your post is very ironic.
It's like you didn't even see the thread and is just trolling.

I also think that the Japanese people rarely try to be politically correct in all their art forms.

>>9212742
But the walking dead is in b/w and is one of the best things evers..even when their females are all sluts with guns

>>9212899
>Westerners cannot hope to ever come close art-wise, because beauty is not appreciated in our culture as it is in theirs.

You just went full retarded, while I agree that we don't appreciate beauty like they do claiming that our culture lacks beauty is just Mongolic, our architecture, our paintings, our music, theater and sculpture, thousands of years of culture and you claim we don't have eyes for beauty, are you actually this stupid?

>>9212925
>sluts with guns

Picked the fuck up

>>9212922
What I'm saying is that (current) Americans tend to cater to the tastes of the masses by being politically correct in their works.

It's because the Black (and shame) culture is mixing with your White culture. Think about it.

>>9212934
But are there major (even minor) improvements of the so-called art styles as of the latest decade? I've rarely seen those in the US.

>>9212945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_movement#21st_century

>>9212945
I really hope you're just playing devil's advocate and actually want to be proved wrong.

>>9212970
I was.

Primarily decentralization coupled with a lack of cultural relevance. Western artists of the variety you refer to here, the anime/cartoony graphic sort, lack a major platform and are fewer in number simply because of cultural discrepancies. I assume the manga/anime industries in japan are much more pervasive within that sphere of consumption and influencial than they are in the west, ostensibly influencing the stylistic choices of the demographic you mention.

Though to simply disregard mediums outside of your limited exposure, likely the amateur internet work that periodically gets posted here and the anime inspired reiterations from borderline asperger 15 year old kids is really silly. Surviving "conventional" modern art is extremely decentralized and largely incomprehensible to the general public, purposefully esoteric for extremely convoluted movement evolutionary reasons. Plenty of other media exist that you are simply ignoring and otherwise failing to take into consideration.

>>9212981
I agree with you, but the majority of people her will ignore you because you talk like a fag.

>>9212957
Modern Western art.

>>9212981
Your vocabulary isn't impressive when you use redundant words and some incorrectly.

>>9212981
by any chance did you write this book
http://books.google.com/books?id=GmlACkJzvRwC&printsec=frontcover

>>9212991
Modern Eastern art.

>>9212981
I used to write like this in high school. My ap teachers absolutely loved it.

>>9213024
You could pick any of her books, seriously.

It offends me that shit like
>Relatedly, multiperspecivalism is accorded a cardinal status within the cumulative diegetic construct insofar as the game's take on the action alters according to the point of view from which it is tackled by different personae
was actually published.

>>9212945
>What I'm saying is that (current) Americans tend to cater to the tastes of the masses by being politically correct in their works.
I can't believe one person can be so fucking delusional.
Like for example, you will not ever see a Japanese movie with open opinions about pedophiles or racism.
>It's because the Black (and shame) culture is mixing with your White culture. Think about it.
If anything Black culture has nothing with being politically correct.

>But are there major (even minor) improvements of the so-called art styles as of the latest decade? I've rarely seen those in the US.
Because you are a delusional person.

>>9213000
>>9212989
>>9213060

Tears from said artists. Mediocre interpretive work that can appeal to only the most niche western audiences will receive as much acclaim as anyone should be able to predict.

To reiterate for the dazed aspies and general dullards:

ppl in west are not draw anime and fucking cartoons becese they arent webos. Post-modernism.

>>9213097
I take it back you are a master troll

>>9213162
thks xD

>>9213101
Fuck off, nerd.

>>9213061
Do these people write with a thesaurus constantly in their other hand?

>>9213254
>Do these people write with a thesaurus constantly in their other hand?
If by "thesaurus" you mean "penis," then yes.

>art thread
>expecting anything other than pseudo-intellectualism, convulsion and elitism

who ams i gwoding?

>art thread
>expecting anything other than pseudo-intellectualism, convolution and elitism

who ams i gwoding?

>>9213331
Your contribution helped a lot.

>>9213268
Okay, that made me laugh.

>>9212636
>Isn't deviantart kind of like the western equivalent of pixiv?
It's more conceptart that's the equivalent of pixiv.

>>9213632
Why? Because it's good?

Don't kid yourself--pixiv has a lot of shitty art and drama too.

>>9214610
>Pixiv
>drama
Give me an example. I've never seen that happen ON Pixiv.

>>9212533
Japanese aren't superior, we are retarded.

All Japanese are manga artists, thats why.


There are two types of Nips, professional manga artists and amateur manga artists.

>>9215706
Artists deleting their pages/data.

Stop bumping this shitty thread.

>>9215726
that's not nearly close to deviantart levels.

>>9215726
That's not drama in itself. Most of the artist just don't want to see their old works litter their gallery pages.

Yeah, the japanese are good at drawing. You just suck at it.

>>9212697
>stop being a delusional weeaboo
Ok, so you tell me how many doujin stuff is made in America (or any country), divide by population, and compare the ratio to Japan's.

>>9212623
Shit son, you telling me this ain't art ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWI9wq97Bs

>>9212623
We're talking about AMATEUR japanese artists in general and not some pro who dedicates his entire life to painting.

amatuer japanese artists arent all that great. take a look through pixiv, a lot of the stuff on there is like the worst of deviantart

>>9216081
Apparently, the pseudo-intellectuals always think pros vs pros. While the main topic is about all artists, including amateurs.

>>9216393
i just browse the top 10 weekly/monthly illustrations. at least pixiv's content are PLEASANT to the eyes. deviantart is just full of "artistic" nude pictures and other stuff for normals that makes me puke.

>>9216052
there isn't doujin stuff in usa because of copyright and court-happy corporations that won't miss their chance to sue you and extract money if you even as much as think about selling fanwork of their stuff.