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Shiki can kill servants. Discuss.

Explain to me why Leysritt is so high.

>>9131382
No.

>>9131371
Roastbeef is high on my list of Type Moon females I'd bang.

>>9131412
>ask a simple question
>get told no
>mfw
Why are you assholes here so fucking elitists

>>9131453

Who are you quoting?

I like the list where Gil is up there with ORT and Ado Edem more.

The servant hierarchy is kinda messed up. Diarmuid shouldn't be any higher than 5th Assassin, who should in turn be higher than 4th Assassin. Gun God (Black Barrel) makes no sense to be listed there since almost anyone below him in the rankings can beat him even when he has it.

>>9131453
You didn't ask a question though.

>>9131494

It's a troll list, as
>Lancelot (F-15) > Dark Sakura
may show.

>>9131494
>Diarmuid
>not higher than 5th Assassin
Diarmuid managed to push Saber back, a much stronger Saber back, with a single spear and basically beat her by the time he got both spears in action.

>>9131524

That's perfect, actually. He did beat Gil, and Sakura would have no chance against it.

>>9131544

>a much stronger Saber back

Kiritsugu's Saber only has Agility, Prana, and Endurance over Shirou's Saber. Their Strength (close combat capacity) stat is identical, and Saber loses two ranks of Luck from incompatibility with Kirutsugu.

>>9131544

Diarmuid only has anti-personnel NPs and he was fighting at around the same level as Saber, who is worse at melee than 5th Assassin (who is canonically the best swordsman in Fate). He pretty much has no way to win, especially after Tsubame Gaeshi comes into play.

>>9131558

>That's perfect, actually.

No it isn't.

>He did beat Gil, and

No he didn't.

>Sakura would have no chance against it.

Yes she would.


Lancelot managed to outmaneuver Vimana and catch Gil off guard. At no point did he legitimately defeat Gilgamesh ever. At no point does he show the gargantuan amount of force required to kill Dark Sakura. At no point would he be immune to the Shadow, and being insane, would not judge the Shadow's effect as the instant-killing threat that it is to Servants.

>>9131576

Do you realize that it's a troll list yet? The list says 5th Assassin and is referring to HASSAN. Kojirou, Fake Assassin, is on the list and is far, far below the other servants.

IT'S A TROLL LIST

>>9131584

The fact is that he won the little dogfight they had going on, Dark Sakura doesn't require gargantuan force to kill, and he's easily fast enough with a jet to simply avoid the shadow like he does with every other attack.

>>9131594

My, that's even worse!

>>9131609

>The fact is that he won the little dogfight they had going on,

Through a single, sudden trick.

>Dark Sakura doesn't require gargantuan force to kill,

Each one of her shadows takes an Excalibur-level attack to vanquish.

>and he's easily fast enough with a jet to simply avoid the shadow like he does with every other attack.

The shadows are fucking gargantuan. And she can just summon them, after another after another after another. Her reservoir of prana is inexhaustible; since Lancelot lacks the firepower to even destroy one giant, she'll eventually coat the entire fucking planet with them to win a 1v1 fight where Lancelot can only RUN AWAY.

Why isn't Dusty (the best TYPE-MOON girl) on the list?

>>9131622

Lancelot is really, really fast, and Sakura is by no means as strong as her shadows. If Rin can run in and attack before she can summon more, then Lancelot could do it literally infinitely sooner, even without the jet.

A bullet would also suffice.

>>9131625

Because it's not known what power Dust of Osiris even has other than the natural TATARI influence, which would put her at Night of Wallachia's power.

>>9131625
Because she is shit

plain and simple :)

>>9131644

>Lancelot is really, really fast, [...] If Rin can run in and attack before she can summon more, then Lancelot could do it literally infinitely sooner, even without the jet.

That would involve doing so before one shadow is summoned at all, as it only takes one to defend her.
Rin only managed to run in after Sakura stopped attacking from futility, then used a surprise attack. Lancelot is not fast enough to bypass a single-action spell before she can react at all, as that's all it takes to summon one.

>and Sakura is by no means as strong as her shadows.
>A bullet would also suffice.

Absolutely incorrect. She survived a barrage of Gate of Babylon with no protection, and regenerated nearly instantly. She's equivalently as strong or stronger than her shadows, defensively: that black "clothing" all over her IS the Shadow itself defending her.
Angra Mainyu will not allow its master to die easily, and will protect her from almost any threat. Furthermore, even touching the Shadow is instantaneous defeat for a Servant.

Can Lancelot convert the shadows and use them as NPs?

>>9131702

No, it has to be defined as a "weapon", and her Shadows are merely combat familiars.

Uber tier | A fight between these will end in the first atack AKA overpowered bullshit |
All types
Ado Edem
Original Arc
Gilgamesh with Ea, overconfidence left aside.

Very high tier | powerful characters without planet destroying atacks |
Six Sisters
50% Arc
Primate murder
Zeltrech
Counter guardians.
Heracles

High tier

Angra Mainyu¿?
30% Arc
Lancelot
Dark Sakura with Holy Grail
Saber and all her variants
Original Roa
Iskander
Cu-chulain
Diarmuid
Medusa
4th caster with Marine monster
fake Assassin
Ryougi

Middle tier
Kiritsugu
Nanaya/Tohno
Akiha
Heaven's Feel Shirou
Kayneth El-Melloi
Araya
Nrvnqsr
5th Caster
4th & 5th Assassin
Emiya
Dark Berserker
Merem
Fujino
Kurogiri
Arc at the begining of Tsukihime
Kotomine motherfucking Kirei
Night of Wallchalia
Bazett

Low tier
Fate Shirou
UBW Shirou
Aoko & Touko
Ciel
Leysritt
Gun God
Sion Tatari
Kuzuki
Sion
Waver
Avenger
Rin
Luvia
Irisviel
Maiya
Ilya
Kariya
Sakura
Hisui
Kohaku

>>9131768
>Very high tier
>Counter guardians.

>Middle tier
>Emiya

Isn't Emiya a counter Guardian? Hence being capable of his triple Kanshou/Bakuya projection that overwhelms Alter Saber by force even just as Shirou's arm? i.e. in the tier above Saber with the rest of the CGs?

And isn't Aoko something that scares even someone like Nrvnqsr?

Isn't Ciel canonically stronger than Kirei specifically?

Pretty good list, nonetheless.

>>9133191
1. Alter Saber was fighting DOWN to the level of her opponent so it would become a battle of skills. Also, her Agility is crapped, and so is her luck. Things that allow her to make others miss.
2. Yes.
3. Yes. But as a younger person with all those command seals, he can at least give Ciel a good fight. Otherwise, he gets his ass kicked twelve ways to Sunday.

I think Sion should just rape Shiki and get herself pregnant with his child. Maybe get Satsuki to help pinning him down.

>>9133191
Is not about who defeats who but how destructive can someone be, also adding void Shiki to uber tier.

Why is there no Satsujinki?

Sion is my favorite Melty Blood.

>>9135519
Egyptian sion a shit

>>9135483
"From whom?"

>>9135519
She the purest

Is Tsukihime > Fate/Stay Night

Where are Neko-Arc and Neko-Arc Chaos in that chart? Or is it generally agreed that they are strongest, so there's no need to include them?

>>9135559
Word of god, Neco Arc is the second strongest after Magical Amber.

>>9131768

You do know that half the people in that low tier are stronger than Kiritsugu, right? Ciel is also on par with an average servant and canonically can wipe the floor with Kotomine without breaking a sweat.

fate/shit

>>9131371
>>9131622
>>9131666
>>9131768
>>9133191
>>9135519
Someone needs a life.

Shiki can't fuck Servants.

>>9135672
Yes he can. He can fuck Arcueid, who is equivalent to like 4 servants, so of course he could fuck any single servant.

I watched the anime and why the fuck is Shiki and servants so important.

>Kouma
>Not the strongest

You don't know the power of DAIENJOOOOUUUUU