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If you have a 3DS I would suggest downloading the release of Xevious and practicing your STG skills when you're riding in a car or waiting around or something unless you're truNEET then just keep playing touhou.

>>9090135

How long should it take me to beat touhou if I practice every day? I don't really play shmups at all-the only other one I've played is Ikaruga a bit on my brother's 360. Which was a lot of fun, but fucking hard, and neither of us ever beat.

Thinking about getting a 3DS for paper mario and the SMT games though.

It shouldn't take you more than 2 days to 1cc PCB on normal.

>>9090130

with or without continues?

>>9090151

Wow, I really fucking suck then. I've been playing on and off for the past 5 or 6 days. On normal. I even give myself an extra life before starting.

Welp.

>>9090155

With continues

>>9090163

same boat

>>9090161
If you're really dedicated on becoming better, I'll expand on what I said before (>>9090135).

Play some older shooters such as galaga or anything simpler before moving your way up to a little more modern and advanced shooters before diving completely into touhou.

You can do this for maybe an hour or two, not days on end, but I think it'll help you to realize that different patterns and attacks require different tactics and ways of play.

~ P.S.
Remember to use shift to focus!

>>9090175
But most of those games are harder than touhou

>Stage 4
>Can't even get past prismriver

normal is still easy enough, just try stage practice until you beat them.. WITHOUT using BOMBS.


Also use analog joysticks, its much easier to move and dodge bullets

>>9090181
I guess my idea is that danmaku can throw any kind of pattern at you, fast or slow, big or small, and the basics for these patterns come from other shooter games that came before the series.

Galaga, for example, could help with those patterns where you have to focus and dodge as well as shoot since your ship moves pretty slow. I think it could help.

>>9090175
>>9090185

I have it hooked to a ps3 controller. I use R1 for focused movements, X for regular fire and square for bombs. Use the analog for movement.

I just really, really suck, I suppose. Oh well.

>>9090200
Do you use your peripheral vision a lot? Is it possible you are focusing too much on your character or the enemy?

Congratulations OP. You made the same thread on /a/.

>>9090211

I honestly didn't, but, believe whatever you like.

>>9090207

I usually just sit around in the middle and dodge shit while firing. I focus mostly on my character and their immediate surroundings.

>>9090200
Hell that smooth ps3 controller? I dont even know how to get that thing worked into my comp

But here's a little tip for PCB
>All spellcards have patterns
>All spellcards on easy to hard can be finished without bombs
>Do not panic
>Do not spam bombs
>Stage practice helps a lot

For focused movement, i recommend L1.
anything else is up to you


what character are you using anyway op?

L1 Focused movement
R1 Normal shoot
Square Bomb
Analog for Movement

pic related,
>using Reimu [B] allows me not to give a fuck about enemy location
>therefore i just focus on my character and dodge, dodge, and dodge

Yeah I'm pretty bad
I think this is the best I've done

>>9090306

You should really bomb more, especially if you're using up all your continues.

>>9090230

Reimu; sometimes I use Sakuya, I do well with either. Marisa is too fucking fast.

Also, I use xpadder and some program that I can't recall from where I got it; it's weird, you run it and then hit the PS3 button directly after to activate it.

I can't 1cc a single Touhou game despite crapload of practice. I just keep running straight into bullets for some reason.

>>9090306

one eye is bigger than the other one

>>9090467
Same here. I just stick to the fightan games, the shooters only infuriate me.

>>9090513
The problem is I'm even worse at fighters

>>9090529
Oh, i'm horrible at them as well, but they're more fun to play for me, even though a friend with which i play slaps my shit mercilessly. Plus i get to play AS my favorite 2hus, rather than against them

>>9090130

BOMB MORE. The number of bombs you're carrying resets every time you die, so every time you die while you still have some bombs, all those bombs are WASTED.

Also, don't expect to beat your first Touhou game quickly. I started with EoSD, and I had the game for nearly six months before I beat it on Normal without any continues. There were a few months during which I didn't play it at ALL, but still, these games are hard.

You can only improve, though. After EoSD, I played PCB and managed to beat it on Normal without continues it within like a week. Then I found out that you WEREN'T supposed to start with more lives than EoSD at the beginning, it's just that the person who torrented the game had changed the options to start off with extra lives at the beginning because he was apparently a worthless casual faggot. I set the number of starting lives back to the default number, and beat the game without any continues a few days later.

Just keep trying, and be sure to analyze boss patterns. All enemy spell cards have a strategy to them, and many of them can be deceptively simple.

I love anything and everything about Touhou, but though I'm and avid gamer I can barely complete a few of them on normal. It kind of makes me feel like a secondary or a casual gamer at times which I know I'm not and it's a real dirty feeling.

>>9091496

Complete them with or without continues?

Just take it easy, everyone gets better at their own pace.

You know what feels bad, OP? When you can 1CC SA, SoEW, UFO, TD, EoSD and IN, but you can't 1CC PCB ;_;

>>9091523
How?

>>9091504

Sadly that's with continues...

>>9091523

Isn't PCB known as one the easier ones?

...How can you not 1cc it if you can 1cc the others? Where are you dying so much?

Bomb more

There's no way you can fail to 1cc a game using continues if you just bomb everything you find difficult

>>9091575
>1cc using continues

I'm a fucking idiot, ignore that 1cc

>>9091566

Okay, I get that '1cc' means 'without continues', but what does '1cc' actually STAND for? I assume one of the 'c's means 'credit(s)'?

>>9091573
Well I didn't even practice for 3 days because I find PCB very very boring, but in two days I've managed to reach Yuyuko and I died, and that made me think "hey , I can 1CC SA easily with 5 lives left but I can't even 1CC PCB? What a disgrace" and then I close PCB and get sad for the rest of the day.

>>9091589
1 credit clear

As in clearing an arcade game with only one credit

>>9091593

Ah, thank you.

>>9091579

Maybe...

>>9091523
The hell?
PCB is like, one of the games where you can just bomb your way through almost every spell and non-spell from stage 4 onwards and still have enough resources to 1cc.
Hell, you get freaking SakuyaA in PCB. She's the most newbie friendly shot-type in the series imo, and she gets 4 bombs!
You must be doing something terribly wrong with PCB if you've managed to 1cc all those other games.

play the photo games

>>9090151
I keep dying to Alice.

>>9091698
Have you tried playing with the vpatch?
PCB has one of most unresponsive controls in the whole Touhou series. You can adapt, or cheat and use the vpatch, which makes the game much more responsive.

>>9091739
Is using the vpatch really cheating?

>>9091748
No, everyone uses it, it'd be impossible to 1cc higher difficulties otherwise.

I've spent over a month practicing the extra stage in EoSD and I still cannot do it. I've watched replays and tried as hard as I can, but I've hit a point where I no longer improve.

In PCB and StB I've hit similar levels, except I haven't even beat StB yet and PCB I can't 1cc. I practice and practice, then I stabilize at a certain point, and get no better.

>>9091739
I downloaded a whole bunch of the games off a torrent, and they were all prepatched and translated. But by "prepatched" I don't know if that means they came with the vpatch or not...

>>9091739
Many times I've wanted to try the "vpatch is cheating" line but left it alone.

Though I really don't use it in EoSD, just got used to it like that.

>>9091773
It probably means "already in english". It's not that diffiult to know if you have the vpatch or not, if the executable you open when you play touhou says "vpatch.exe", then you have the vpatch.

I just beat EoSD normal with continues should i try to complete it without continues or start playing hard?

I couldn't beat yuyuko on normal even with continues. Hell, I couldn't even 1cc the ten desires DEMO as any character.

I love all the touhous and I want to be good at the games, but no amount of practice seems to make a difference.

PCB is actually the only game I've 1cced. Sadly it's been several months since then and I haven't really had time to progress with other games.

Anyways, I was actually in the position early on where I would continuously die to PRS on stage 4 and thought I would never 1cc it but persistence is key, and approaching it the right way.

I find the key to be localized practice.

First off I just had to accept that my dodging skills weren't great and that I would simply have to rely on memorization and bomb spell cards I couldn't do.

Then I made a spreadsheet which listed every spell card with the amount of deaths incurred on it relative to total amount of deaths as well as games played as well as separate columns for stage trash deaths and total deaths per level.

From there, I played one or two games a day and recorded all the deaths in the spread sheet and after about a week I had a really good idea of what I was capable of in terms of handling spell cards, so much so that my bomb finger would start to twitch when I came to ones I knew I wasn't good at.

All that is left to do is just clean up the stupid deaths, practice all the stages so you aren't losing any lives to bosses post stage 3 and any stage trash whatsoever. The game gives you more than enough bombs to Bombspam your way through the much more difficult spell cards in stage 5/6 once you stop dying to the easy shit.

tldr: If you want to get better, figure out what's actually giving you trouble and either practice enough to clear it or just accept it as an auto bomb (fucking milky way). Simply doing repeated runs won't really help you improve in a timely matter.

Today I've played PCB and I raged so fucking hard that I almost exploded. And then I played SA and 1CC'd it with 6 lives left. What the fuck, /jp/. Someone explain to me ;_;

>>9090130
How long have you been playing? If you've only recently started playing it, then I'd say that's normal. If you've been playing it for a few months or something though, and you're STILL not able to get past them, then I'd say you're beyond helping.

>>9094441
No you never.

>>9094441
Earlier games have different systems of scoring points for lives, or may have had different hitbox sizes. Either that or you chose the wrong character

Vpatch isn't cheating. Stop even mentioning it.

>>9093717
Get the 1cc. You can move to higher difficulties to improve, but finish the game on Normal. "Clearing with continues" is an ambiguous goal and if you're satisfied with that you won't get much better.

>>9093757
How long have you been playing? The first stretch of simply getting used to shmups is arguably one of the hardest steps of improving, most people don't even get over that hill.

>>9094503
My main issue is that I have to get fucking POINTS to get lives. I love SA's life system. You just need to be succesful against a specific spellcard, and bam, you get 1/5th of your life (I think it's that). Now for PCB I always do risky things that make me die, and this makes me frustrated and I end up restarting everything.

>>9094508
Well obviously "Clearing with continues" is lame but my question is what would be better to improve, 1cc normal or start hard right away?

>>9094552
Really depends on the person. I would say keep going until you get the 1cc.

>>9094516
And now I just tried Sakuya A and 1CC'd PCB with her. She's really bullshit. But eh, it still counts.

>>9094516
Just point items. You don't have to play particularly well to get most of the 1ups. Once you know when enemies come out so you know when you can autocollect.

I can't 1CC most Touhous on normal, most notably EoSD.
It's embarassing.

Play Shoot the Bullet or Double Spoiler. The single spell format forces you to actually get better and learn how to dodge stuff, unlike the main games that just let you keep going until you've died a hundred times and used up your continues.

Practise on EoSD, for the love of fuck.

Having no hitbox means you aren't staring at it all the time and you develop your periphery vision and foresight.

Also, much of the patterns, such as Sakuya on stage 5, are completely random - this will develop your overall dodging skill. Some of the later games are more focussed on patern memoirsation, so this IS important to pick up, but really, if you can't even clear normal with continues then your overall approach and dodging skill are likely not very good yet.

If it's any indication, when I was new to Touhou I started with EoSD and had it 1cc'd on normal in about 10 days. It's a real mixed bag in terms of difficulty, too, which again makes for good practise.

>>9094699
This. Even my cheese clear of EoSD with max lives and Marisa helped me in the long run. Turned the whole genre from a bullet dodging exercise into a gap finding one.

EoSD and Shoot the Bullet are the best teachers I'd say.

Also a piece of advice. When you're only into clearing, it's not a matter of doing better, it's a matter of not doing as terrible.

Think of lives and bombs as the number of mistakes you can make. When they run out, you've passed the threshold for a 1cc. Your goal is to minimize your mistakes to the point that they're within the limit of your lives and bombs.

And remember to use your bombs, each life is worth four mistakes if you include the bombs. But when you die without using them, they're wasted. This is incredibly fundamental when just learning to 1cc.

j-j-jaypee. I j-just managed to 1cc with continues/clear PCB, I did use continues, because I had no experience with youmu upwards, but it was such an exciting affair, nevertheless.

It's the first time i've cleared any touhou game, and i'm surprised at how I played beyond my own expectations (I usually won't get past youmu, even with continues), even though I recognize all the stupid mistakes i've made.

Incidentally, i've just downloaded danmakufu and have been trying out various doujin stages on it for the couple of hours before (and failing horribly), but I suppose it was a good warm up nevertheless, and PCB seemed so much easier in comparison, as well as the controls being much more smooth and optimized, so I supposed that helped a bit...

>>9095327
You might want to look into the vsync patch for EoSD and PCB.

>>9095358

I was playing with the vpatch!

>>9095327

By the way, and this may sound dumb, but what's a miss?

>>9095327
>1cc with continues
So, a 3cc.

>>9095358
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't mean to imply that you were so bad that the only explanation for your performance was the vpatch. I remember posting about my first Normal PCB 1cc in one of the danmaku generals and being suggested to use the vpatch, and it's helped a lot. The other thing is that the screenshot is in English and I didn't know you could play in English with the vpatch.

I remember clearing PCB after a week of practice with extra lives, all continues, on Easy mode, and still I had to pick Sakuya B and abuse the autoaiming and four bombs, and now I can 1cc PCB on Normal. Keep practicing, I was beyond terrible when I started and I'm still not very good, but it's fun to see that you can definitely progress.

>>9095390
Deaths.

>>9095413

Don't worry about it. I wished I knew about the vpatch when I first started playing. I played touhou vanilla for about a month before even knowing about the vpatch, although I suppose changing to vpatch after practicing without it probably created some illusion of progress and prevented discouragement.

>>9095442
Sometimes I try playing without it and I play worse, but I can't tell if it matters that much or it's the mental effect of turning off something that helped me so much.

Is the patch accepted as a valid improvement to the game by most people? Can you, for example, submit scores that you got with it?

>>9095496

I honestly can't recognize much improvement in movement with other games, probably because i'm a newb, however, I notice a significant increase in responsiveness with EoSD.

It becomes more like a PCB before the PCB + vpatch.

>>9095496
>Is the patch accepted as a valid improvement to the game by most people? Can you, for example, submit scores that you got with it?
Yes. The input latency does not happen on all machines. For example, the old, piece of shit computer at my parents' house can run PCB with no problems, but I need to use the vpatch for EoSD and PCB on my current computer. I know other people that only need it for EoSD, and some that need it all the way up to MoF. Some don't need it at all. Something that levels the playing field isn't considered cheating.

>>9095327

So, same anon here. I managed to get to Sakuya on a single continue for the first time later today...

Predictably, I eventually died to those green knives.

Nice to know i'm improving though...for the last few weeks i've hit a wall, and now i'm seeing results. Today is a good day.

>>9095966
You're playing on normal right? What games have you tried thus far?

>>9096025

I haven't seriously tried any other game, aside from starting them up to see their general aesthetics and musics. I've unlocked up to Reisen's stage in IN (with continues) on normal. I've also tried SA, but can only barely scrape past Suika.

>>9096042
Suika is one of the partners you can use. Do you mean Yamame?

>>9096059

I-i meant Yuugi.

Got them mixed up due to identifying with horns and drinks. I feel so secondary now.

>>9095358
I've seen this all over the place in Touhou general threads lately. Where do you get the vpatch? I can't seem to find it on google....

>>9097557

It's on the tools page of the Touhou wiki.

>>9097562
oh. derp derp. Thank you!

I just downloaded EoSD yesterday, probably spent around five-seven hours playing normal so far. I'm not terrible, but I keep dying to the stupidest things. I get, like, six lives by not bombing anything in the first three stages, then fucking die twice without bombing in Patchy's stage.

Then I'm just plain awful at Sakuya's Misdirection spellcard. It seems wrong to me that her midboss card is so much harder than her boss cards.

Man, I can just barely beat those Prismriver assholes before getting owned in stage 5. Glad to see I'm not the only one who's shit at Touhou.

I'm pretty good at Hisoutensoku but that doesn't count.

I 1CC'd EoSD on normal over a period of a few months. It took a while but it definitely helped me along with getting better at the games.

I would suggest starting off with IN as, I find at least, it's an easier game. As well as this, you can use the spellcard practice mode to help you with the tricky ones and you can practice the more "random" spellcards over and over again to help with your peripheral vision. I enjoy using vpatch to turn it up to 90FPS and playing the spellcard practice (still can't come close to doing an actual run on 90FPS). TH13 is the same way; easy and has spellcard practice.

>Uses a laptop keyboard because game pads are for pussies.

>>9099491

Misdirection is actually pretty easy once you learn it. Don't try chasing her, and don't move until the red bullets are about to hit you, since they're all aimed at your character. When they get close, dodge to the left, then keep moving to avoid the blue knives. You should only have to move a little. When she teleports to throw the blue knives, she'll move right in front of you, and assuming you're not moving too much she'll die before you have to change directions or time runs out.

>>9099491
>>9099614

>Agree with 9099614
Streaming, when bullets are aimed at you and you move slightly left or right (why I think keyboard is better than gamepad/joystick) so that the bullets stay condensed but never hit you because you control them, is an extremely powerful tactic.
Sakuya's misdirection is just this. She teleports left or right and move's to the other side. Just pick a side (I always go left) before she shoots and wait for her to blow most of her load and tap left a few times, then she will appear in front of you then press up-right (diagonally, so that you stream the next set but move parallel to the old set of bullets).

Another cheeky thing to do (not worth it imo) is to just sit behind her before she uses her spell card because she never attacks up (Time that shit out). You lose out on a life but you don't have to deal with misdirection or the non-spell.

>Take a look at Touhou 10's Extra stage boss's non-spells. Quite a few of them are fast but aimed directly at the miko, so you just slowly tap right/left until it's done, ie streaming.

I've been playing EoSD for months. That maid...

>>9099649
>>9099614
Yeah, I eventually learned that. I knew about streaming from the few times I'd watched replays but my autistic mind took another ten practice runs to realize I could do that for Misdirection.

Eventually I got to Remi with one extra life, one bomb. Died to her very first noncard, of all the fucking things, then made it halfway through Red Magic, her last card, before dying. I know I'll be able to manage the 1CC with a couple more tries, but still. I've probably gone through at least 30 runs already, and this is only normal mode.

I just lost on the last spell card of Imperishable Night's extra stage. I will never clear an extra, I will never be a super player...

>>9100709

To be quite honest, the first time I 1CC'd EoSD (and most games) I'm so conservative with bombs that I will oftentimes die before using any bombs. I try not to bomb whore everything and thereby practice instead of saying "fuuuuuck it". I got to the point where I could safely lost only one life using no bombs in the first 4 stages. When you are that far ahead and you're starting stage 5 with 6 lives and 3 bombs, then you can bomb whore just to say you've 1CC'd the game. But I recommend playing practice mode on stage 5 and 6 until you can beat it (or at least almost beat it within last 1 or 2 spellcards). By that time, you should be able to know which spell cards, and nonspells, you can beat without using a bomb and just whore the rest.

>>9100761
I'm much the same way. I've mostly been bombing only when I get walled by something, but I'm much better at navigating dense, slow bullets than reflex dodging fast ones. Either way I always believe I really can do it but then I don't.

It's not like I can't finish stages five and six without bombing the living shit out of everything. I've captured every card and I go into each one believing that I will cap it. It's just a matter of not making bad mistakes and playing well for one whole game.