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Currently playing EoSD, trying to beat Flandre. Her first spell card seems kinda confusing, and I'm having some problems against the second spell card of Patchouli.

6 different character clears of PoFV on normal.

Normal B clear on IS with a couple of continues, think it's the first time I've actually managed that.

Getting there, one step at a time.

(Still waiting for a driver update/patch for Jamestown to be unfucked on the new graffix card.)

What are some fun STGs for the SNES?

Something Awful's Touhou megathreads are better.

>>9040946
Go there then

>>9040933
>fun STGs

I want to get back into Touhou but I played for a few minutes yesterday and I was awful. I was close to 1ccing IN on lunatic when I stopped a few months ago and I remember most of the paths and streaming strategies I used across IN, EoSD, PCB, SA, TD and UFO, but my actual bullet-dodging skills are basically non-existent. It makes me want to cry if I'm honest.

>>9040976
WAHH WAHH WAHH I'M SO TERRIBLE I CAN'T EVEN DO SOMETHING GREAT FIRST TIME AFTER HAVING ACCOMPLISHED A LOT

WHAT WILL I DO ;___;

- u

>>9040884
>>9040983
>>9040946
I wonder, how much time do you have to shitpost in these threads all day? You are at the level of the no replies fag or the nocturnes samefag, if you are not one of those.

>>9040873
>Most exciting thing that happened last thread was we got the second western player completed NBNUFO run done by Riz.
JRmarisaa, you are so nice.
>>9040933
Galaga, Raiden, I can't think of any more.
http://www.shmups.com/xenocidefiles/nes.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8eBk3OKD6s
>>9040976
Skill is a lot easier to regain that to acquire. Just keep playing and you will be fine. Once you get above the level where you were before, it will all feel better to you.

>>9041064
Now tell me something, Riz. Or anyone else, actually. What kind of style (agressive, passive, concentrated, etc.) should I play against Flandre? Against Mamizou I usually try a defensive style, for example.

>>9040933
SNES is a shit for shooters really..

>>9041071
You should play the don't-run-into-bullets style. I'm not quite sure how to answer your question, but if I had to pick one, it would make it concentrated, because that's what usually works out for me the most. You will develop your own unique style with practice. Everyone plays a little differently. If you are having problems, post a replay so that we can give you advice.

You can also try to mimic some of these players: http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u=&g=6&p=&t=0&d=5&c=1&ch=40

>>9040873
>Most exciting thing that happened last thread was we got the second western player completed NBNUFO run done by Riz.
And after ten years I will say: I. Was. There.

>>9041128

What does NBN mean, anyhow?

>>9041139
NBNUFO = No Bomb No UFO

7 months playing Touhou, can do 1cc normal runs on MoF, Mystic Square and IN.
Currently trying to beat Mokou. That spell card with the laser fucks me very hard, and her timed spell too.

>>9041126
Allright, I'm doing horribly bad today, mainly because I'm more used to the TD style, rather than the EoSD style of gameplay.
http://www.mediafire.com/?bu4nrs2z4zx8dq8

>>9041176
You could have done a much better job collecting resources from the start, but I guess that's not too important. You are bound to get all the extends from point items in the extra stage, and you are bound to get full shot power before anything dangerous happens. Collecting them there would be just a matter of convenience, but it matters a lot more in the main game. I would have streamed the following greater fairies differently, but you did okay. Where you used your first bomb, you could have avoided that easily if you just went a little farther up. For the single fairy after that, you were doing okay, but you bombed out of panic. You should just practice that until you get it. You did fine on Patchy's first spell. I also like how you did Royal Flare. That bomb was panicky and that death was silly. You could probably get it right easily just by trying again. The portion after that is just streaming. You should start from the sides of the screen and move in a U shape as little as possible, and then turn around when the fairies stop shooting and you can get more room. You were doing fine, you just didn't give yourself enough room. The part after that is very simple streaming, and collecting resources there, especially with homing Reimu, isn't even that bad. Just be a little calmer there next time. The books after that are just simple streaming and dodging. You made a silly mistake, but you did fine.

As for Flandre, you have to keep in mind that Cranberry Trap is aimed. You just have to manipulate it. Even if you have to use a bomb, you should use that to lure the blue bullets away. Lavietan is a little gimmicky, but it should be easy with homing Reimu. That's probably just something you need to watch a replay to get. There's a path for it that you have to remember.

Overall, I think that you are good at dodging bullets, but you need to work on your strategy and try to get a little more comfortable with the stage.

>>9041247
I'm pretty sure there are no extends from point items in EoSD extra.

>>9040873
>Most exciting thing that happened last thread was we got the second western player completed NBNUFO run done by Riz. Replay is here http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21287
Just watched the replay, and it's very impressive, especially how Riz captured everything after that annoying death on Byakuren.
Congrats Riz, now just PNDNBNFNVNUFO 12 on lunatic.

I was hoping this was going to be the run, I kept getting myself in stupid situations in the stage portion and magically making my way out.

>>9041425
>PNDNBNFNVNUFO 12 on lunatic.
Perfect No Death No Bomb No Vertical No UFO? I'm working on it.

>>9041700
I will never unlock UFO extra ;_;

>>9041843
I'm too tired to play properly, I hate this feeling. UFO is really fun once you get it down, don't give up.

I think I'm going to go nap.

>>9041796
Oh no, the P was for Pacifist, haha.

You know what? YOU KNOW FUCKING WHAT!?

I'M GOING TO BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF MAMIZOU RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH THIS FUCKING KILLER HEADACHE I'M GONNA DO IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW FUCK.

>>9041850
UFO collection is annoying as hell, since I like to hug the bottom when there are a lot of bullets around. I do stupid stuff/waste bombs to get them.

>>9041869
Mamizou's animal bullets make my head hurt by themselves.

>>9041894
CRAZY hitboxes.

Well, I made it twice to her last spellcard and died pathetically.

Fuck you Mamizou.

Someday, I swear... and then I'll fap to you with all my might!

>>9041894
>UFO collection is annoying as hell, since I'm not good enough to easily get them yet
ok

also using a bomb to summon either a red or green ufo is still a plus in resources

>>9040933
u.n. squadron, axelay, macross: scrambled valkyrie, super earth defense force
>>9041064
>http://www.shmups.com/xenocidefiles/nes.html
close, but you missed the "s"
http://www.shmups.com/xenocidefiles/snes.html

I play Eden's Aegis instead.

I don't get it, the last two times I got to this card I was fine. This time I lost three lives because the yellow lasers seem to curve and hit me even if they visually don't. What the hell?

キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━!!!!!
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21308

I felt really good about this clear, the survival card ended up kicking my ass way more than it ever did before but I captured most of the cards. Onto Flan next I think.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21309
I don't know how to feel. I had never gotten by Danmaku Chimera before so I'm happy about that, but that is such a shitty way to lose.

>>9044122
Ow. Had that happen to me before a few times, that run was really well done if you've never been past Danmaku Chimera before.

Never done an extra. Every single one of them looks so scary...
First several seconds, and - wait what the hell is tha-BAM! - I'm dead. Wtf man, seriously.
I've done several hardmodes, but extras are simply impossible. Impossible and scary.

>>9044687

They take time to get used to. After a while they don't seem as impossible, although I've only beaten PCB extra. SA extra is still impossible to me but I've only played it around ten times since I don't really like it.

>>9044687
>21 misses
>26 bombs
>On an extra stage
Looks legit.

Also, extra stages are 15 minutes of choreography. There's so many static patterns or tricks/definitive methods involved you'll soon realize you don't have to avoid a whole lot, you just need to know where to be at the right times.

>>9044708
>Looks legit.
That's the joke, friend. That is the sad joke.

>>9044708
...is for faggots.
Clearing Extra relying on memory is a sad way to go.
When I try some extra more than 5-10 times and feel that I start to memorize patterns, I drop it for a month, 'cause it is meaningles.

>>9044715
>relying on memory
STGs in a nutshell.

You gotta remember most shmups I primarily made to play for score, very few have any lasting appeal (to experienced players) if you play them for survival.

>>9040933
I got Super R-Type the other day for my SNES. What I was expecting? A frantic SHMUP like back when I was a kid playing Wings of Wor. What I got? Slow down. It is all I get when I play a SNES, even when I play Super Metriod.

>>9044715
You realize Touhou is all about patterns right?

>>9044721
It's more fun when you have no idea what the next spell card is going to look like.

>>9044725
That novelty starts to wear off after a while

Why don't you visit #pofv anymore, JRMarisaa?

>>9044715
I don't have anything against you if you like playing it like that, but memorization is a primary skill in mastering Touhou and STGs in general. It's not meaningless.

>>9044715
>Clearing Extra relying on memory is a sad way to go.
...and that exactly why I never clear extras, yep. Too hard to do with skill, too stupid and boring to memorize. This is kinda sad.

>>9044968
I'll swing by the next time I'm playing, I'm no longer a NEET so I don't have as much time as I used to. I also only just recently started seriously playing again.

Wow, Suwako really is kinda easy, I just beat here today with about 2/3h practicing her and her stage, while Flandre took me about a week or more...
Still, I'm both happy and sad, managed to defeat her with reimu B with 1 extend remaining, but forgot to save the replay...

Friendly reminder that completing the game without using a continue counts as a legit 1cc, regardless of how many lives you started with.
Deal with it elitists.

>>9046158
inb4 samefag discussing with himself.

>>9046158
Doesn't that go without saying?

>>9046158
Not this shit again.

>>9046158
You mean irregardless, moron.

>>9046184
It should go without saying, yes, but then again we have denialfags who are trying to say you have to do it with default lives to count.

>>9046208
Can I go against flandre with 5 lives too? ;_;

>>9046158

>>9046186
Well called.

wat
isn't the only requirement for a 1cc to beat the game without continuing?
can somebody explain?

so if i hack the game to start with 9 lives and 9 bombs, then i clear it without wasting a continue, is that considered a 1cc?

>>9046241
Yes. 1cc = 1 credit clear, meaning clearing it with only one "continue" (ie, your first one).

>>9046243
No. That's called cheating.

>>9046225
Agreed.
>>9046158
Can you take your shit and samefagging out of this thread please, no one cares about whether your 10000 lives clear or default lives clear constitutes a 1cc, there was enough shit discussion about this crap last thread.

Who cares about your 1ccs. All of your scores are complete shit anyway. Enjoy your clear "status", secondaries.

>>9046186
This.
Applies to:
>>9046158
>>9046184
>>9046208
>>9046241
>>9046248
>>9046257

>>9046268
There's no need to get upset. I'm merely letting people know that they need not listen to the elitism this board spews out.
A 1cc is the completion of the game without the use of a continue. Starting lives don't factor into this at all.
When you can come up with an argument that actually holds weight, then maybe I'll bother to listen to it.

>>9046297
>bother to listen
The day that happens is the day Reimu gives me a blow.

how does 1 comment derail a thread so much....?

>>9046310
It's one comment of a samefag that discusses with himself.

>>9046297
>I'm merely letting people know that they need not listen to the elitism this board spews out.
You should listen to your own advice.

>>9046267
Agree.

Took a day off from practicing EoSD Extra Stage because I was getting too mad.

At first I thought this was going to be a good run because I got to Flandre without dying. First time I ever did that. Then I did horribly on her, and didn't even get as far as I usually get.

Oh well. First time showing a replay. Best I can do, sadly. Advice would be appreciated.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21324

>>9046619
May as well add that I am a new player, so I know it's shitty. If that wasn't already implied.

>>9046619
Let's see...
The first part of the stage led me to believe that you held out on collecting power items to use the screen clear during the later section. That's fine. I don't think that you needed to use that bomb, but it's no big deal. Royal Flare isn't that hard if you get a good path for it. You kind of got swamped in bullets, and I can't blame you that you bombed. You need to watch a replay for that. Patchy's third spell is pretty hard, it's no problem to bomb there. You did a good job streaming and dodging after that, so let's talk about Flandre. You got surprised by Cranberry Trap. That was avoidable, but it's no big deal. You did a good job on Leviatan. It cost me a few perfect runs yesterday. The bullets on Four of a Kind weren't that bad. I think that you just got scared and overwhelmed. I would take it slower next time. There's not much to say about Kogome, just don't run into bullets next time. I don't think you were standing in a bad place, but I think that you should have reacted faster. Bomb-skipping Maze of Love like you did wasn't such a good idea. The bombs were too early, and you could have also gone around Flandre. Starbow break is just dodging bullets. I'm not sure what to say about that.

Overall, I think that you need to work on not being so afraid in some of Flandre's patterns and wasting resources. You may also want to watch a replay to see how some stuff is done.

>>9046723
I've always had trouble with Cranberry Trap. I've watched replays and tried to emulate what other players do, but I just never seem to succeed.

Four of a Kind I'm working on trying to get... some kind of game plan down. Occasionally I've never moved at all in that spell and not gotten hit... this wasn't one of those times.

I don't know how I fucked up on Kogome, that's probably the first time I've died on that one. Flandre's not getting that pleasure again.

Maze of Love always gives me difficulties, though that will come with practice I hope. I've gotten in the bad habit of not even trying to go around her, which I need to break.

Starbow is like Kogome. I don't know how I fucked up.

So basically, is there any "specific" strategies that go more in depth than dodging bullets for Cranberry Trap? With other spells, like Maze of Love, I at least have an idea of what to do. With Cranberry Trap, I'm utterly clueless.

>>9046782
>So basically, is there any "specific" strategies that go more in depth than dodging bullets for Cranberry Trap?
Move a lot. Try not to stand in one place to dodge bullets, that's not what the spellcard is about. You need to focus on the blue bullets and not let them collect around you. You need to see ahead and predict where they will be. If they start to get too dense, you have to run away.

Also, I just realized that I don't have a single 1cc with MarisaA. I remember loosing a Lunatic 1cc on Scarlet Gensokyo a long time ago. I guess that I might as well play it to take a short break from UFO.

>>9046806
Thank you for the help. Losing repeatedly for days is very frustrating, so any advice is nice.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21327

That was pretty fun. It's nice to visit old games and see how much I have improved. I did a lot better the last time I tried. I'm still mad at that run, but at least I have the clear now. I'm going to play some Extra now.
>>9046861
I know that feeling.

>>9046723
You are aware Laevateinn can be done in a particularly easy way, right?

Simply circle around Flandre for the spinning slashes and go through the bullets for the straight slashes.

I'm not sure how anybody could every fail at capturing once they know this strategy.

Damn, I'm so chuffed at EoSD on Hard.
I make way too many stupid deaths on this.

Where can I vent some frustration?
I have a punchbag, but it's tough as crap and is like punching a brick wall, or maybe that's what I should do?

>>9046924
go for the punchbag you faggot

>>9046924
You could do what I do. I scream about how X character who killed me is a whore and then I smash my keyboard in various ways. This has led to me bleeding twice before. Bleeding out the anger is the best way.

Or you could hug a plushie or something. I'm afraid I'd end up ripping off its head if I did, though.

>>9046861
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21329
I made you a replay, try to learn from it. I use mostly the same strategies you used, but in better ways. Pay close attention to how I did Cranberry Trap, I tried doing it in a way that shows exactly how to do it (which is why it took a while longer than normally as I wasnt chasing Flandre to finish it fast). Normally I spin around Maze of Love, but I guess staying at the bottom is fine too, remember that it is static and memorizable. I hope you'll get your clear soon!

[dickwaving]The replay was done in one attempt, without restarting.[/dickwaving]

>>9046924
>I make way too many stupid deaths on this.
Watch my replay and look at how many stupid deaths I made, and that I still managed to clear. Even my NBNUFO clear had a lot of silly mistakes in it. Chances are, unless you are some kind of robot built to play shmups, you are going to be making stupid deaths forever.
>Where can I vent some frustration?
By playing more.
>I have a punchbag, but it's tough as crap and is like punching a brick wall, or maybe that's what I should do?
I usually just wrestle with my pillow.
>>9046936
I've destroyed monitors and keyboards with my firsts before, but I have trouble getting mad at the computer for anything now. I've become extremely pacifistic over the past year or so. Even marginally violent games turn me away now. What has become of me?

>>9046948
You successfully bled out all the anger.

>>9046948
You have become kawaii Riz.

>>9046937
Thanks for the replay. I think I'll end up using Fraps to record the Cranberry Trap section, as that's probably the most helpful part for me.

I didn't watch after Catadioptric because I've never actually gotten past that one yet, and want to face the spell cards blind before I see them in a replay...

Not that Catadioptric is incredibly difficult, I can tell it shouldn't be too tough. By the time I get there, though, I'm usually hyped up and filled with 0 lives and bombs.

>>9047013
Using Fraps like that is a very good idea, I do it often as well. Also I understand what you mean wanting to figure out stuff yourself, I don't mind. You should probably bomb less intentionally, and save bombs for when you panic instead. That would make you learn faster.

I always have problems with Cranberry Trap too. I'm bad at dodging bullets that are coming from behind.

Are the round blue bullets on Maze of Love aimed at you?

>>9047013
Using Fraps like that is a very good idea, I do it often as well. Also I understand what you mean by wanting to figure out stuff yourself, I don't mind.
You should probably bomb less intentionally on certain parts, and instead save bombs for when you panic, as that would make you learn faster and eventually make you a better player. Also, try to be more aggressive at dodging and staying under the bosses, especially during things like Starbow Break. If you're not moving vertically while dodging bullets, you are making the pattern harder for yourself as the bullets will be falling on top of you, instead of you dodging them. By maximizing the time spent under staying the boss, you are reducing your chance of dying due to being unlucky. Otherwise just stay cool and try to move as "controlled" and plan your movement as much as possible to reduce any stupid deaths. I hope you understand.
Basically just memorize everything.

>>9047071
I think the whole spellcard is static.

>>9047071
Maze of love is 100% static.

Tried Flandre again after practicing a bit. I'm still doing pretty bad. http://www.mediafire.com/?ptxedp6dbqam4pe

Trying to break top 100 on the Futari Arrange boards. Feels counter-intuitive that I have to avoid the power-up icons, but it makes sense in terms of scoring. Current top score is 2.77bil, with 99th being 3.11bil.

>>9046267
Touhou isn't worth playing for score when there dozens of games with better systems.

>>9043467
Lasers are pretty glitched in UFO. Some of Shou's lasers, namely the 45 degree spreads, can kill you if you're in the very bottom. It's annoying as fuck.

>>9047274
I have never had that happened to me, and I have spent quite a bit of time with the game. I don't know what you are talking about.

>>9043467
>>9047274
The curvy lasers only seem glitchy because their behavior is strange upon impact with the player. Other than their hitboxes being pretty large, there is nothing wrong with them.

>>9047286
I had it happen a few times in one run. Maybe I'll upload the replay, assuming I still have it.

>>9047247
Touhou isn't worth playing for survival when there are dozens of more difficult games.

>>9047194
If you're using Reimu, I really suggest using her B shot type for the Extra Stage, Reimu A simply doesn't have the damage required for it.
You didn't need your first bomb, all of the bullets are completely aimed at your hitbox, so simply kill the enemies and collect the items.
On Philosopher's Stone, try to stay at the middle as much as possible to deal more damage. The blue waves are aimed at your hitbox. Once again, after Patchouli you bombed for items, you don't need to do that. You were completely safe, power and point items don't do anything on the stage if you're at max power. Memorize Cranberry Trap, it's mostly vertical streaming. After almost each Flandre's spellcard, you have enough time to PoC or at least collect full power from the power items before the bullets appear, do that.
Lavatein is static and there is a way to cheese it by going over Flandre, look up a replay such as: >>9046937

Touhou isn't worth playing when there are a ton more games with extremely fapable little girls with tons of fan art and doujinshi.

>>9046619
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=1520

Random person here. Made a replay for you. It was made to show you some things in particular.

First is a more efficient way to collect the powerups in the very beginning, second is a way to do the fairies right after the powerup screen clearing trick, third is showing you how to do Patchy's Royal Flare and Philosopher's Stone with ease.

I also intentionally bombed Patchy's first card, the death fairy, and the final batch of books.

It is possible to do Royal Flare while only going through two gaps vertically as MarisaA, simply center yourself right under Patchy when the card begins, you're in the right place if every bit of your shot is hitting Patchy when you're at the bottom of the screen. If you've got the spot, you can simply move up through two gaps and back down a bit to get a no effort clear.

Philosopher's Stone is actually really easy even if it looks intimidating. Simply go high up on the screen right below Patchy and slowly go down while dodging bullet. It's possible to no horizontal this pretty easily this way and you start in the perfect spot if you did Royal Flare in the mentioned manner.

Everything between that and Flandre is pretty easy for the most part, the books aren't too hard, but they're random so I bombed the hardest part of it.

>>9047447
Continued.

For Flandre, something I noticed is that you never super focused. Don't know a real term for it, but you can get extra slow movement by going to the bottom of the screen and moving diagonally instead of plain left and right along the bottom. This results in the slowest possible movement. There is also no downside to doing this on Flandre's noncards for the most part as vertical dodging doesn't help much with them.

Cranberry Trap is something you'll just get after a bit, it's something like a spiral movement. You just have to understand that half the waves are aimed and the other half are static. The aimed waves are actually pretty easy to dodge using certain movements. The card is also pretty slow overall. A proactive take on the bullets helps immensely, don't dodge it, go through it.

Four of a Kind is pretty simple, but I decided to just make it easier. I didn't have a bomb so I suicided, but this trick can be done without suiciding if you simply just have a bomb, concentrate shoot the Flandre on the very left and bomb when the bullets start reaching you. By the end of the bomb you should have killed one of the clones and overall the card is trivial with only 3 Flandres left. But if you want, focus fire another fake one and take your time.

>>9047451
Last bit.

Just practice Maze of Love, once you get the circular movements down, it's one of her easiest cards. Try staying a bit outside the edge of her magic circle. It's not hard really. There's no trick to it.

I safespotted Starbow, it seems pretty despicable, but if you're only going for a clear or at least want a look at the later cards then it might be worth doing. Simply go the the topleft corner of the screen and lightly tap right while focused. Very lightly. The card will timeout, but no effort and it allows your nerves to cool down.

I bombed Catadioptric to reduce bullets, but overall it's not needed. However the card ends a bit sooner if you do it that way. Simply stay in the lower middle right of the screen and you should have a fairly easy time.

Counter Clock, I also bombed, but at the wrong time a bit too early, you want to bomb after the first wave and during the second wave as that's the only difficult part. Third wave just stay in the middle of the screen and you're set.

For QED, I bombed, bombed, and bombed again. Simply put take no risks if you don't have to. However one very last bomb should be saved for right near the end since that's where the bullets are thickest.

>>9047447
The replay doesn't show EoSD Extra.

>>9047471
He probably meant to link this.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21330

>>9047471
Doh.

I linked the wrong replay.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21330

Not sure how that happened.

>>9047358
Touhou isn't worth playing when there are dozens of more enjoyable games.

Might as well go full hyperbole.

>>9047455

>bomb
>safespot

I don't think you're in any position to be offering help to people, with shoddy advice like that.

I'm trying to do a live stream but every time I press "Go Live" it ends up freezing when it gets to "Starting Camera". I recently upgraded to the most recent version of the software. Does anyone know a solution to fixing this?

>>9047566
Are you talking about Procaster? Maybe you should try upgrading the software or trying a different game to see if it works.

>>9047562
I think it's good advice for a beginner who simply wants a clear. The strategies used in the replay weren't bad either.

>>9047501
Thank you! Your Maze of Love footage and the other nice person's Cranberry Trap footage are incredibly helpful. I also laughed when I saw how you just sat there nonchalantly as Flandre did Starbow. I'm capable of dodging that (even though my replay says otherwise) so I don't think I'll use that, but it was fun to see none the less!

Still didn't watch after Catadioptric like the other guy... I want to experience her final attacks firsthand before I get help on them. Once I see them for myself, though, I'll be sure to look at them. Though you probably won't care anymore.

Thanks for everyone's help!

>>9047562
I have perfected the stage multiple times and I think the advice was good, I actually learned something that I didn't know as well.

>>9046924
>>9046948
At last, bloody 1cc'd it.
Thanks Riz, your replay and reply made me realise that it was definitely possible and encouraged me to stay up all night and keep at it. Just flipping tired now, haha.

>>9047562
Well if you want a no bomb run.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21339

Failed to capture Kagome and Catadioptric.

People have to start somewhere.

God damn perfect patchy into dying like twice on craptrap and once on the nospell right after...that has to be the best-worst eosd extra I have ever tried.

how long did it take for you guys to be decent at touhous?

Im kind of new to shmups, and I can barely get to level 5 on th6, 7 and 8.

>>9048341
1 year or 1 month depend on your effort

Why is Mushihimesama Futari BL God mode so good?

I mean, it's like Touhou and Ketsui and Crimzon Clover's three-way lovechild or something.

>>9048341
It depends on what rate you take it in really. Though more you come to wrap your mind around shmups and the strategies in general, the better you'll do. If you take to it purely reactively, you'll end up taking a long time with just that. Strategy helps immensely. Being able to visualize yourself actually clearing the game and danmaku that gives you trouble is key in actually allowing you get past those hard bits that hold you from 1ccs.

There's tons of little tips and tricks, remembering and keeping to them is important.

Every player is different though.

Also, doing well at shmups isn't really a question of doing better, but more of a question of doing not as bad.

In theory, a regular 1cc is just a run with allowance for a few mistakes, the amount of lives you have to the amount of bombs you can use.

The less you die or need to bomb, the closer a run becomes to that margin where 1ccs occur and to a flawless run.

Eventually you start finding and correcting your mistakes and start to get closer to your goal be it 1ccs or flawless runs.

The rate varies between players, but asking for help from others can make the finding mistakes part much quicker.

This is just for clearing however.

Scoring well is actually about doing better.

>>9047786
Congrats. I love that feeling of being close to sleeping and getting an awesome clear. It helps me sleep cozy instead of fretting about not having the game cleared.
>>9048341
It took me three months from discovering Touhou to get a UFO Lunatic clear, and I had UFO beaten with all 30 levels in 6 months. I had all the games beaten inside and out by 3/4 of a year, including all Lunatics, Extras, and photography games, but I could have done it much sooner if I didn't spend all my time on UFO. I think when I started to get good is the two months I spent trying to beat UFO Hard. After that, I was confident with just about everything in Touhou.

Don't worry about the problems you have, just keep playing. Keep learning about the game and trying to get better. I doubt that you have exhausted all your abilities and potential yet. If you practice hard enough, it will all seem easy to you one day. Just make sure that you are having fun.

>>9046297
Oh man, I love you so much.

>>9048377
go play 1.5 Ultra.

>>9047395
> there are a ton more games with extremely fapable little girls with tons of fan art and doujinshi.
No there isn't. But touhou isn't worth playing, that's right.

I tried to fight Suwako and didn't do great. Feels like half her spellcards are annoying gimmicks while the other half I actually really enjoy require me to get decently far into the fight. Need to work on my dodging more.

Speaking of EoSD Extra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E94EYSaYoE

Despite finding it to be one of the easiest extra stages, it's one of my favourites too. Something about Flandre's spellcards makes them feel like they have a little more flair because they're completely unlike any other patterns in the game.

>>9048917
It ain't as fun.

bump

Why is Hijiri's Unlimited Blade Works so bullshit?

>>9051556
>Hijiri's Unlimited Blade Works
But the knife hitboxes seem so much more fairer in UFO.

Welp, I fraps'd that replay someone made yesterday to help me get through Flandre's Cranberry Trap. Watched it repeatedly, tried imitating it exactly and have been practicing for hours, and I still can't do that fucking spellcard without either using two bombs or a life. I almost deleted the game in rage.

I haven't played UFO except to watch replays since I got that run on Saturday. The only other Touhou game I've played is EoSD. I'm having fun messing around with some exotic shmups for now. It's nice to take breaks.
>>9052426
You're not supposed to copy it exactly. You are supposed to look at the strategy for it. If you get stuck, it's perfectly fine to use a bomb. Dying or losing two bombs isn't even that bad. Examine what you did wrong and try to learn from it. Concentrate and don't get upset. Focus on beating the game. One spellcard can't take the game away from you.

>>9052426
maybe you should stop being less autistic about it

>>9052426
Just take it easy and try to have fun, mate. If you don't having any fun - just drop this stupid extra.
You are not obliged to clear it "in five days" or some shit.

>>9053913
At this point, I don't think I'm having "fun". But I can't stop now. After almost 4 weeks of attempts and failures, giving up would just be waste of time. I have to finish it.

Just wish there was a reliable way of dealing with anger that didn't involve taking a break for a day. I've probably called Flandre some variation of a whore around 12 times today alone.

>>9053988
>giving up would just be waste of time
No, I think it will be "saving" of time, actually. Well, you do what you want to do.

>>9053988
Well at least you're constantly practicing some dodging skills. When you've finally 1cc'd that extra stage and go back to the story modes for the games you should have improved at least. Play other games is a way to deal with some anger; just make sure that whatever you choose to play doesn't equally add to your frustration.

>>9053988
>I've probably called Flandre some variation of a whore around 12 times today alone.

Doesn't anyone? Call Touhous they can't currently beat names, I mean.

>>9053988

You sound upset.

>>9053988
Don't worry, everyone feels like that sometimes. Frustration when attempting something will just mean that when you actually do clear, it will feel even better.

>>9054604
Fucking faggot cat

>>9054604

I just get frustrated at myself. Sometimes if I get really frustrated I go into ultimate destruction mode and bomb a single Touhou into oblivion. I apologize Meiling.

I never blame the bosses. I only blame myself for being so bad in a run or blame ZUN for bugs in PoFV and DS.

> Get to Kanako 8+ times in a row with 6-7 lives.
> Have 4 lives for her final spell
> Nerves kick into overdrive, I barely even got her to 1/4 hp.
> End up losing.
> Call her every bad thing I can think of.
> Play again, doing terrible on the rest of the game this time.
> Get to final spell with 2 lives, I'm thinking...what the fuck is the point in even trying?
> End up almost capturing it, only died once.

What the fuck Touhou.

>>9054886

I still cannot come close to capturing that card. I beat her by using every single bomb to save my life until I had nothing left, and won off the skin of my teeth after going into the battle with only two lives. Even though she kicked my butt constantly and made me frustrated before, nowadays I really like her and think she's amazing.

>>9054886
Who are you quoting?

>>9054886

I have this as well and probably a bunch of other people. When I'm doing bad in the early stages I often do brilliantly in the last stage, while a perfect run up to Stage 5 or Stage 6 means certain doom

I got to stage 5 of PCB for the first time this morning. Then some fairies killed me ;_;
The kill screen said I had only completed 57% of the game. How is that possible?

>>9054886
>>9054920
It's a case of your nerves and excitement being your downfall in those cases.

When you've really got a chance, your body overexcites itself as the finish approaches. However the last card of Touhou games are also usually one of the hardest and pretty long as well. This causes yourself to become less precise during the exact time you need it most.

When you go into the game thinking you're not going to do it, your body doesn't get tension, and everything goes smoothly despite all expectations.

It's a why a lot of people report their first 1ccs having very stupid mistakes early in their run like dying twice to Chen, Cirno, or some other stage 2 boss, but somehow cleared it anyways.

Would /jp/ watch if a relative beginner streamed playing EoSD?

>>9055138
What sucks is knowing this. You still get tense when you get to the last boss after a shitty playthrough because you know you still have a shot.

>>9055161
How are things with milk?

>>9055154
do you laugh constantly like a maniac ?
would be cool

>>9055182
I don't think I would use a mic, I've got the impression that people find that annoying

>>9054643
Stupid fucking slut your attack didn't even hit me cheating bitch stop moving and just die already
Yes, I'm aware her attack DID hit me.

>>9055184
I dunno about other people but I'd prefer a mic. Otherwise if I wanted to watch a beginner I'd just watch one of my replays.

>>9055184
Generally the point of watching people stream live is so that they talk so they can converse with watchers in real time.

If you don't talk then it's kind of boring really.

>>9055197
I'm with you, but I've heard mixed opinions, so I wasn't sure. I hope you guys can bear with some low level play AND English.
Is there some way to make windowed be bigger?

livestream.com/greenmiscreant

This question was probably asked at least one hundred times before but are we getting Touhou 14 demo? I thought ZUN was too busy with marriage to work on it.

>>9055184

Mics make it more entertaining for those watching. Even if you're autistically shy it's still fine (shy people are moe anyways).

parsee can go fuck herself, how is she a second stage boss?

>>9055242
3DPDs are not moe and can't be moe and you don't want what moe means

>>9055246
Pretty sure everyone thinks she's bullshit the first time they go against her.
She's real easy though once you figure her out.
Personally I have more trouble with Chen for some silly reason.

>>9055259
> She's real easy though once you figure her out.
Do we have some nice and simple somewhere on youtube? With easy and correct way to do her without mad skills and bombing overuse? Cause I don't have any problems with Chen (even on Hard she's quite ezmode), but Parsee... => >>9055246

>>9055384
> some nice and simple
*replay

>>9055134
Because you have, compare the amount of spellcards on stages 1 and 2 to 5 and 6.

>>9055384
Made you a replay if you're still having issues assuming you're using ReimuA. http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21364
I watched a few youtube links but they all took too long killing the stage guys and had to dodge a lot more bullets then they had to.

>>9055473
I thought he meant hard mode so I tried to get a hard replay, expecting it to be only slightly harder than normal.

I was wrong. God damn it SA.

>>9055493
Oh, well in that case I did one for hard too just now.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21365

So I decided to try and take a break and relax from studying to play some touhou, EoSD extra and MoF Extra.

I guess I thought relax meant getting my blood pressure high and getting filled with tension.

http://www.livestream.com/cactutouhou
Continuing off Green's stream, playing EoSD extra currently.

>>9055565
EoSD的extra很难吗？我感觉比其他的extra stage简单多了。MoF的extra我还没有玩过。

>>9055570

>says "derp" outloud

I'm out.

>>9055609
Why do you keep replying to people not speaking Chinese, in Chinese?
That’s rude and you should cut it out.
你在这里不会用英文的话，请回百度去。

>>9055609
I've beaten them both before, I feel they are the most simple, and wanted to play to relax.

>>9055667
however, the baidu has censorship, not good location discussion. many discussion of limit quality, prefer foreign BBS, but not confident of English.

>>9055678
I don’t think I believe you, I’ve seen you use ‘/jp/ memes’. I think you’re the guy who’s studying in Australia. And if you are him then you have a good command of English.
There are some Chinese-language imageboards for Tōho, anyway.

K岛有些东方板，但要用繁体字。afcun有一个简体字的东方板。

>>9055517
>>9055473
And lets get the thread on track with my final Lunatic nbnd Parsee run. This one was actually quite fun to spend time trying for, guess it just shows I'm not as good as I thought to have me give it at least 50~ tries.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21370

>>9054822
Just a reminder that you can always turn your frustration into a creative force.

Strangely enough, Rin is the rapist there, not the rapee. It's symbolism, I guess.

Today I finally cleared my first Touhou game on normal. Weird, considering I didn't play it for months and just launched it on a whim.

>>9056390
It's a sign Anon, the next game will come much easier. Don't give up, when the snowball starts rolling there is no stopping it.

HELLSINKER getting a translation patch real soon, brushing up on it after it managed to somehow delete all the save data.
Also playing Akashicverse (Trippy Edition, Alternative Arguments) and god damn.

>>9056398
Bah, not him, but I was practicing DS and now you made me want to 1CC every other game on normal that I'm too lazy to play. ;_;

>>9056404
You can do it, funny thing is I was playing DS last week and it made me start playing again and doing much better than I was 6 months ago. 1CCing games on normal is a bit like a mountain peak, when you do your first one the rest will follow very soon. You can do it, fighto

>>9056410
Same for every game and every challenge in Touhou, at least for me.

>>9056351
That little preface to the doujin make me laugh.
Funnily enough, I've never had that hard of a time with Orin on Normal and Hard mode when I was going for SA 1ccs.
However, I am raging at alot of other characters on the other games. Stage 4 and 5 of Touhou 12 are insane (Why the hell does Murasa have a survival spell card?! I can never get into a rhythm long enough before I'm force to bomb at least once).

>>9056440
>Why the hell does Murasa have a survival spell card?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0LIMlRVNs8&feature=player_detailpage#t=946s
I think it's one of her easiest attacks. I'm sure it's something that you can practice, and it's no big deal to drop a bomb there on your first 1cc. If I were you, I would practice doing what you can do, and time bombs for the rest. After you have your clears, you can practice them forever and they will become easy to you. UFO Lunatic is hard, so don't worry if you can't do everything from the start.

When I first started playing UFO Lunatic, I was lucky to get to stage 3, and I had 6/6 Hard and 6/6 Extra clears at that time. I took it very slowly, especially since it was my first Lunatic. The same thing happened with my NBNUFO attempts. Even the first few stages were very difficult for me at first, and they still sometimes bite me even today. There were a lot of specific events that kept killing me repeatedly that I had to work on. I used to do a lot of 1 bomb perfect Murasa runs just thanks to that third nonspell, and the stage portions of stages 3 and 5 gave me a lot of trouble. Many of Byakuren's attacks gave me trouble for a very long time. Those are just things that I practiced.

Keep practicing even after you have cleared the game, and it will all be easy to you. Your first clear isn't going to be perfect. Don't worry if it's too difficult for you, just focus on clearing it.

I love UFO, and I wouldn't change anything if I could remake it.

>>9056763
You also forgot to mention that almost stage 4 character has a special "gimmick". The primsriver sisters on PCB, Marisa or Reimu on IN, Aya (with her survival spellcard too) on MoF, Satori on SA, Murasa on UFO, and Seiga (her bodyguard) on TD.

>>9056788
I totally forgot about that. I guess you are right. I wonder what the TH14 gimmick will be.

>>9056788
Forgot patchy, she changes her speels according to your character and type, like Satori.
MS has a dual battle versus Yukii & Mai, depending of which you deal the most damage you fight the other one.
LLS has teh same as IN.

>>9054898
Nice. Epic. I like it.

Tried to play EoSD on hard for the first time. Suggestions are welcomed.. http://www.mediafire.com/?jqhiil9dg9a6zb1

>>9057876
For the later portion of stage 3, you have to learn to avoid the screen-filling fairies and their knives. Those patterns are largely static, and they may even have safespots, so watching a few replays on that is recommended. You made a few mistakes occasionally, but it's nothing that a little bit of practice or a bomb can't solve. You should shotgun those fairies that start to spam knives at the start of stage 4. You might get overwhelmed if you don't. Missing one isn't that bad, but you should at least kill a few. The later portion after that requires some gentle streaming. Simply stay at the bottom of the screen and don't move much, and that portion is unfailable. For the fairies that shoot white droplets at you after that, you have to make sure to kill them quickly to clear the screen. You have to learn to stream and foresee the fairies after the midboss. Patchy's nonspells can be a little tricky if you don't know the gimmick. The hitboxes of the lasers is a little delayed compared to the animation. You just have to be brave and not be afraid to step into the laser when it spawns. Also, it's fine to put a few bombs on Patchy.

Overall, you are great at dodging, you just need to remember a few things and practice the game. I think that you did great for your first time. You have some impressive dodging in there. It should be very easy to clear the game for you.

I finally made it to Nue.

I don't think I'll make it, though.

I finally made it to Nue.

I don't think I'll make it, though.

>>9059035
Oh.

Anyone knows how to supergraze Ichirin's midboss noncard on Easy/Normal?

>>9059719
Yes, on Normal. I imagine it's similar on Easy. Here is one of my Stage 3 practice replays.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=18073

You could also just check out any of the UFO Normal world records, since they'll all do it.

I played Double Spoiler for the first time yesterday. I didn't think it would be very fun because I didn't like StB, but I liked this one a lot. But holy shit, that difficulty curve. I captured everything in the first four levels with relative ease, But I have no fucking clue how to even do any of Murasa's cards

>>9060770
I love DS because rather than just dodging shit you have to solve the riddle of each pattern to beat it.
That's what I like about most touhou games, but usually it's combined with a shitton of dodging

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21394

Just started playing, what advice do you have for me.

>>9061145

Aside from the obligatory "keep practising", a bunch of game-specific things to keep in mind:

You can autocollect before max power by focussing above the PoC (unless you're playing the magic team, which doesn't need to focus to collect)

Deathbombing - IN and in particular the border team have a ridiculously long window for it (it's can be frustrating coming from IN to others where it's basically only usable if you predict a death). Hit that bomb button as soon as you hear the pew! Better to burn a couple of bombs than lose a life. (And generally there's little reason to burn a bomb AFTER dying.)

I'd suggest sticking to default lives as it's better practice for other games that don't allow adjustment, but that's a whole other can of worms.

On later stages you'll encounter fairies with hordes of summons; focus mode shoots straight through these and can kill them a lot more quickly than unfocussed.

On bosses I tend to stick to focus fire to concentrate the shot more and (another IN specific thing) keep the gauge to the right.

But yeah, keep playing and practising. For a beginner that's not bad at all.

If I don't beat EoSD extra stage by Sunday at 11:59 PM central time, I'm done. I want to win just so I can say I did, and not have these weeks spent practicing be in vain. But I just can't handle it. It's causing me stomach and chest pains. Every time I lose I can't control my anger and I end up nearly breaking something, and have even hurt myself in the process. Every time I shut my eyes, I see Cranberry Trap. I'm not making it up, I really do. It kept me awake for hours last night.

I don't think I'll win. I've not improved on the spellcards which give me the most trouble. I still always die on Cranberry Trap and Maze of Love, and Patchy's third spell.

God dammit, I love Touhou. I want to play the games, but I just can't do it.

>>9062537
I don't understand why you are getting so upset over it. If it's not fun for you anymore, then I don't think you should be playing it. It's okay to be frustrated, that's what keeps you on the edge, but getting so angry over it isn't very helpful. You are not going to do a good job of playing when you are upset. Even I don't play when I'm not in the mood, or I choose to play something casual. I know how you feel but I think that you should take a break. You can keep yourself in the mood by watching replays or playing other games.

If you want me to help you 1 on 1, you can contact me through the email field. We can talk a little more closely that way and I'll help you beat the game. We can talk through IRC, voice, or whatever you want.

Gameplay wise, who's the strongest touhou in Mystic Square?

It felt easier to use Mima than the others to me.

The one that is trying to clear EoSD extra, figure out a route that you will try to follow every time, and show us the replay when you do get one where you don't mess up too badly (doesn't need to be a clear... just a replay where you do things like you normally would) and I'll give it a look.

Bump.

I 1CCd Easy and only died twice to silly mistakes, feels weird since I even lost a continue when I was streaming...

What's the best thing to do now? Practice on Normal? Just go for Normal right on? Fuck Normal and go for Hard?

>>9065490
Forgot to mention that I'm talking about EoSD

>>9065490
>feels weird since I even lost a continue when I was streaming...
You lost a life, or a continue? If you lost a continue then it's not a 1cc.

Anyway, you should go to normal mode now. And for every new game you try, forget about easy and just go straight to normal. You'll improve faster that way.

TEN DESIRES?
MORE LKE TEN DISAPPOINTS

1) LUNATIC = BABY MODE
2) SHITTY WUB WUB WUB WUB MUSIC
3) SANAE? THAT SLUT AGAIN?
4) YOUMU? THE FUCK?
5) MOST SPELLCARDS ARE REWORKS
6) DID YOU SEE THOSE BACKGROUNDS? WHAT HAPPEN TO ZUN IMAGINATION
7) GHOST MODE? WAY TO MAKE THE GAME EASIER ZUN
8) THE FUCK IS KOGASA DOING HERE WORST 2HU
9) 4TH, 5TH AND LAST BOSS FORGETTABLE
10) EXTRA BOSS? HUEHUEUHEHUEHU

>>9065571
I like the extra boss, I really like Futo and Miko, I like Kogasa, Lunatic mode is fun to play, the backgrounds are not really bad, I haven't even noticed the spellcards being reworks, Youmu's addition on the cast is welcomed, and Sanae will be forever one of the main characters. I fail to see your issue.

>>9065592
Sanae? Not necessarily, remember some other playable character who made it 3 games in a row?

>>9065571
best 1st boss

>>9065540
I lost a continue while livestreaming, the 1CC was when I posted

>>9065490
Well, you can try some normal, of course... but I wouldn't reccomend that.

Just do all the other games. On easy, yes. Cute girls, nice music... also you can compare graphic changes. Zombiereimu~

bump.

I've been playing SA on and off for months and I'm still no closer to a normal 1cc. At best I made it to Okuu's last spell with 5 lives and lost them all. Now I can barely even beat Satori.

Should I just give up?

>>9067451

I was able to get past Okuu with just two lives last time I tried, and back then SA was my first Touhou game ever. If I could do it, so can you.

>>9067451
A clear should be easy for you. I don't know what you are doing wrong. Maybe you should post a replay?

>>9067479
I'll see if I can get one in the morning, there's no point playing now because I'm tired as hell.

>>9065571
This is the first time i see someone doesn't appreciate Youmu's appearance. How can someone hate Youmu ? Everyone on /jp/ loves her.

Oh, i see, you're new here.

>>9068341
1/10, made me reply.

this looks like one of those situations that has a very easy solution to it, but it eludes me.

how does one CONSISTENTLY clear this part of EoSD extra? sometimes I can get it but usually, I just get walled in with no chance of escape.

>>9071407
Foreknowledge.

>>9071407
Try slowly moving a bit to the right, and don't fire against the enemy until it stops firing shots. It's useless. Just focus on calmly dodging. That's what I do.

Phew, that was hard.

I barely did it, but in the end Mamizou was raped lovingly.

Being a Sunday player for so long sure took it's tool... well, time to fap to dem raccoon tits!.

Can anyone help me? UFO just seems too clippy.
I just can't beat normal yet!
replay:http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21441

>>9071577
I'm at approximately the same skill level as you, but here goes. I only have a grand total of 5-10 decent runs on UFO so I can't give you very detailed advice and I'm not looking too much at your resource collection.

Stage 1 is easy and you do just fine.

Stage 2 is mostly fine, but Kogasa's second spellcard is easy (the rain-like one), you didn't have to bomb it. Just move out from the centre if the bullets get a bit too dense, you can move back in afterwards once they thin out. I'm constantly told that her last spell is also easy, but I don't see it - I would have bombed there rather than die.

Your two deaths at the start of stage 3 are silly. You can probably work out how to avoid them on your own. You do very well up to Ichirin's second boss nonspell, where you make a silly mistake. Other than that your Ichirin fight is good, better than mine usually are.

On stage 4, you should try to avoid bombing the Nue ball. If you do it without bombing or dying you get a 1up. Bombing is still better than dying of course. Your resource collection during the rest of the stage could be better, but I'm just as bad at that as you are. Your Murasa fight is perfect, nothing to say there.

>>9071622
Your stage 5 is really good, way better than my attempts. You're pretty good at dodging. I can't think of any specific advice for Shou, as I struggle with her more than you. Capturing her first spellcard shows that your dodging skill is clearly good enough for a 1cc. Just keep practicing her, I guess.

You miss out on a potential extra life at the start of stage 6, which is agonising because I know how close you got to a 1cc. You do well at surviving throughout the stage though. It was weird to see you capture Byakuren's first spellcard but not her second. Her first is far harder, in my opinion. The blue bullets on her second spellcard are entirely static, with only the lasers aimed at your position. You can easily capture it with a couple of practice runs. I've only been further than her second spellcard once I'm afraid, so I'm not much use after that. I can't see any really silly deaths though, which is a good thing. Maybe try to head a little further up the screen for her final spellcard rather than getting trapped at the bottom.

I'm sure Riz or pretty much any other player (as I suck) can give you better feedback than that, but I'm bored so I decided to give it a look. Your stage 4 was almost perfect except for not getting the 1up from the Nue ball, and stage 4 is probably the most important part of a run. Cut out the deaths from stages 2 and 3 and you can do this easily.

>>9071417
still can't get it consistently. and I'm pretty much glued to constantly fire. if I try to stop I end up fucking myself over.

>>9071577
>>9071622

I actually find stage 3 to be harder than 4 or 5, for some reason. And Nueball at 4 gives an extend? Didn't notice it before.
Not being able to unlock stage 6 practice really sucks.

>>9071407
I don't know if theres a strategy to it. I just dodge the bullets. Try to look ahead and not get clipped. That's just something you have to practice and get comfortable with. I don't think it's too bad.
>>9071758
I don't think that pacifying it is going to help. It's supposed to help you dodge? I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.
>>9071816
Stage 3 is hard. You might have a point there, especially since you are playing on Normal. Also, yes, stage 4 Nueball gives you an extend if you don't bomb or die. Otherwise, she gives you a bomb piece. I think the poster before gave you some pretty good advice. If you need any more, just ask.

Ugh, made a pretty bad run on SA. Criticism and suggestion would be very appreciated. http://www.mediafire.com/?hpa10w47duus4aq

>>9071886
Hey Riz, how long did it take you to beat your first Lunatic 1cc?

>>9071953
I'm currently watching this. I'll post about it in a minute.
>>9072014
Three months from when I discovered Touhou, and it was UFO with SanaeB. I also had no prior shmup experience.

>>9071953
From the start, you did an okay job with collecting the resources. I think that you could have done the introduction portion a little better, but it's no big deal. Also, don't worry about killing the rocks. You should focus on killing the fairies. You can shotgun them, but it's no big deal. For the part right before the midboss, you should start streaming from where one of the fairies were and towards the center, then up a bit and straight down. This will align the fairies so that you can kill them and take their resources more effectively. You did an okay job after that. You missed a few pieces, but it's no big deal. You did Yamame quite well.
The first portion of stage 2 you did okay. I guess that your strategy there won't matter too much until you reach Hard mode or maybe Lunatic. I'm not sure if this works on Normal mode, but you might be able to safespot Parsee's midboss noncard. You move a little too much during her spellcard during the beginning. You didn't do a very good job of streaming on Parsee's first spellcard. Also, you could have gone over her quite safely. It's all streaming, so take it easy and lure the shots away. I love your tactic on Parsee's last spell, but I don't think that moving so much is necessary. I would just stick to the sides under Parsee.
You did good on the introduction to stage 3. You don't need to stay unfocused for Mt. Ooe. Unfocusing even sometimes can end the card faster. I would stay a little lower on her second-to-last noncard and card.

Other than a silly death on stage 4, you did okay. You got a little hurt on Satori, but it's still no big deal. BoWAP shouldn't be so hard one you get used to it. At this point, I would still safely expect you to pass the game.
For the part after the midboss of stage 5, you should learn to stream more. It's easier than it looks, even if you have to bomb. Also, you don't have to keep shooting when the spirits come in. I would safespot Orin's first spellcard instead of doing it from the bottom. I'll just show you a replay on how to do that. I think you did a good job on her first spell. You should not move that much on her second nonspell. Staying in the center below Orin and streaming up and down is all you need. You should try to stay in the middle during her second spellcard. I think her third nonspell has a safespot on Orin's hard, but I've never used it before. You made a silly mistake on her last spellcard, but I think you had the idea right.
You did the intro to stage 6 just fine, but you didn't need to bomb on the part with the spirits. You can also use ReimuA's special ability to move to the other side of the screen. This part is just simple streaming. You should not have stayed focused for the whole time of the midboss spellcard. It's easier than it looks.

I think these replays can be helpful to you:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u=tutorial&g=11&p=&t=--&d=--&ch=0
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=14361

I finally bet stage 1 and 2 on UFO without dying and had five lives at the start of stage 3, I caught the first spellcard from the midboss then I did something for the first time. Lost all of my lives from the regular enemies after the midboss.

Who do you guys use in UFO anyway, I'm running with Sanae A.

>>9072206
I do pretty well with every shot, although ReimuB and SanaeA are my favorites for survival. MarisaB is my favorite character to play, although I don't consider her the "strongest". I think that your problem is just a matter of getting surprised and frustrated. Deaths stack, and dying once can put you on a roll, especially if that death is mean. I think that you should just keep practicing and watch some replays.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20552
This replay is probably what I would recommend the most. It gets a little silly and unrealistic thanks to constantly being at maximum resources, but it still should still show you how to deal with most enemies. Just ask if you want another replay.

>>9072268
I feel so stupid in asking this, but how do you watch other people's replays?

>>9072356
You download them and put them in your 'replay' folder, which is in the directory where you put the game. That folder might not exist if you haven't saved a replay yet.

>>9072378
Oh, that's it? Thanks.

Since we're somewhat on the topic of UFO, just what is the proper way to do Kogasa's train? That card is always an auto bomb for me.

>>9072356
Downloading them and putting them in the replay folder.

>>9072206
I like ReimuB but I feel bad for using her. MarisaA is fun but I suck with her.

What's the point in MarisaB by the way? She seems absolutely terrible.

>>9072268
I had no idea that you could dodge one of Kogasa's spellcards by being right next to her, that's way easier than what I've been doing

>>9072410
Depending on how aggressive I want to be, I usually do it from the bottom-left or the center.
Here is my usual method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-Qsudu9GBdY#t=351s
Here is an example of the more aggressive method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KBF7yH7m-3E#t=544s
>>9072423
>I like ReimuB but I feel bad for using her.
Why?
>MarisaA is fun but I suck with her.
It doesn't matter, just have fun.
>What's the point in MarisaB by the way? She seems absolutely terrible.
I just like her the most. I like her shot being partly for spread and partly for focus. It's hard to describe, but I just feel most comfortable using her out of all the shots.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20646
I'm still planning on doing a NBNUFO run as MarisaB. That should be fun.
>>9072427
That safespot can be a little hard to master, so look out. It's probably not necessary on Normal mode if you are playing for survival.

I start up EoSD. Before I put my hands on the keyboard and select start, cue that one piano note. Incredibly loud. Every fucking time. I should really turn my volume down before playing.

Anyway, what do you guys do if you get an itch while playing? My nose just kept on itching during a recent run. I don't like to pause because I lose my momentum, so I kept waiting until there was a second without bullets to scratch. Three lives were lost as a result today.

http://pastebin.com/tw45uBJ5 - What about you /jp/, how good are your "Touhou playing stats"?

>>9072741
>Anyway, what do you guys do if you get an itch while playing?
I hit the pause button and scratch it.
>My nose just kept on itching during a recent run.
That usually doesn't happen when I'm in a very controlled environment like my room. Unless you are playing in a foreign place, it shouldn't be a bother to you.
>Three lives were lost as a result today.
I know that feeling. I usually avoid playing when I'm facing allergies or something, or I play something easier such as NB UFO Lunatic runs instead of NBNUFO runs.

Anyone else find EoSD kind of... easy? I just tried it for the first time today, having already played the games after it, and I almost beat it 1cc on my first try until I lost on Remilia. I had gotten overconfident after beating the first 3 levels without getting hit and wasn't bombing at a few points where I should have so I ended up wasting all of my accumulated lives. The only real problem with it was the invisible hitbox. That being said, I was using Marisa B.

>>9072843
Based on what you are describing, I can see why you might think that it is easy. I think that EoSD is one of the harder games. I'm talking about Lunatic, of course. EoSD has some very crazy patterns on max rank, and it remains to be the only game that hasn't been perfected on Lunatic. After the first 3 stages is when EoSD starts to get hard.

I'm playing the first fighting game, and quite liking it, but I know their are 2 others out.

Is it worth it to master the first one, try to beat it, then move on to the next ones, or should I just skip straight to the latest one ?

>>9073312
The first one plays a lot differently, so mastering it isn't necessary. Feel free to skip to Soku, it plays pretty much identically to SWR with some minor tweaks here and there(Certain moves now being cancellable, new spellcards, a few new characters).

Trying to perfect mokou, last time i almost did it but failed because of missing honest man's death ;_;

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20373

>>9072872
Any advanced tips for Mamizou's 6th? I've beaten everything on Normal, and all the Extras + Phantasm except for Koishi, Nue and Mamizou, but the stuff that come from opposite directions like that one Kanako non-spell and DBD Butterfly still annoy me.

>>9073343

6th spell its about patience, all you need to do is move carefully in a rectangular pattern through little-menbullets.

I made a survey, hopefully at least a few people will answer! Add "questions" that you feel are missing. Try to keep the answers related to Touhou games. Template here: http://pastebin.com/U0Xq25XS

My answers: http://pastebin.com/1k6rJ3s4

>>9073402
I don't know what half of these are asking me to do. Am I supposed to rank myself on touhou skills or something? Can you really call that a survey?

>>9073407
Sorry for the misunderstandings. For example:
Nick: anonymous
Bullet reading: how good you are at reading bullets
Reflexes: how good you're at reflex dodging/deathbombing whatever requires reflexes
Control: How good you are at controlling your own characters movement
Impro: How good you can play without having played before
Memorization: how good you can memorize things in touhou
Pattern recognizing: how fast you understand how attacks/parts work
Performance: how well and how long you can play at your maximum level of performance in touhou
Time played: real life time played / hours played in-game
Taking it easy: how you handle your emotions Versatility: do you focus on only one game or are you good with every one?
Favourite games: obvious
Achievements and Goals: obvious

>>9040873
When I first start playing:
Bullet reading: Mid-tier
Reflexes: Mid-tier
Control: I'm pretty good at controlling the slower characters, but on the faster ones I sometimes fly straight into bullets when I try to get to the collection line
Impro: I can usually at least reach stage 4 or 5 on my first try
Memorization: I tend to memorize every attack I've tried to beat at least once before, regardless of how long ago I've played
Pattern recognizing: Usually after seeing its first "loop" I have it down

After losing more than once on one game:
Bullet reading: Terrible
Reflexes: Death bombing doesn't exist
Control: I fly into every stray bullet
Impro: If I somehow manage to get past a level I was stuck on, I'll just lose on the next on because I'm too busy being mad
Memorization: I know the patterns, but that doesn't stop me from getting hit anyway

Taking it easy: I'll do fine when I first start playing, but after getting hit too much I might start to get upset and my performance suffers tremendously
Performance: I'm pretty mediocre and can only play on normal, but every now and then I'll gain a sudden boost in skill and play perfectly for a few minutes
Favourite games: PCB and SA
Achievements and Goals: I've beaten IN with every team and can almost beat the extra. That's it really.

>>9073432
Bullet reading: Bad
Reflexes: Bad
Control: Below average
Impro: Very bad
Memorization: Average
Pattern recognizing: Slow
Performance: Not good. Only ok for 1 hour in the afternoon.
Time played: 1 year
Taking it easy: Give up and retry + frustration.
Versatility: I used to focus on 1 game until i can 1cc it. Now i play for fun.
Favourite games: PCB
Achievements: 1cc all Windows Touhou on Normal. Cleared all Last Words. Cleared 2 extra stages.
Goals: Clear all extra stages.

I just beat PCB's Phantasm mode as SakuyaB! It was my first time seeing Yukari's last spell, but I still managed to win (albeit with 0 lives and 0 bombs left).

I haven't beaten any other Extra stages, and I haven't unlocked the extra stages of EoSD, PoFV, or UFO yet; what should I do next?

>>9073491
Try MoF Extra, shouldn't be harder than Phantasm

>>9073402
http://pastebin.com/fRgUs6hR

>>9073352
Sorry, meant the one after that, with the birds coming from the left and the geckos coming from the right.

>>9073749
Dodge the green ones 100% vertically, move slightly to opposite side the reds come from horizontally before they reach you so you can move through them back to the middle. And then repeat until it ends. So basically start middle, move left, go middle again, move right, repeat. If that doesn't work, then just try to do it completely vertically at the middle and just read the openings. Don't go against the stream of bullets.

Took me three months but I finally perfected all of the extra stages. I'm pretty satisfied I guess.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19213
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19320
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19336
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19173
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19429
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19520
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19762
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21450

>>9074432
Bloody hell, damn nice!
Be keeping those replays as reference, congrats.

Hi Cactu. Answered to your survey.
http://pastebin.com/QCQCLqe6

>>9048917
Ultra sucks.

UFO is the worse game in the series. Thank god ZUN realized his errors and went a different direction with TD (Only bad point in TD being trance).
The hitboxes in UFO are fucking ridiculous, I've never played a touhou games that's more clippy than UFO. Even checking the replays I can clearly see I dodged an attack yet it still kills me.
The UFO system is terrible and based on nothing but memorization. Who wants to sit and memorize where each UFO spawns on every single level? I sure don't.
The characters introduced are terrible too, save one or two of them.

>>9074939
inb4 Riz

I kinda agree though, the UFO system makes survival more about hoarding resources than actually dodging.

>>9074939
I agree on everything except the introduced characters.

>>9074939
I can agree on the UFOs. Messing up on those can ruin you, unlike in any other Touhou

>>9075025
>>9075016
>>9074951

I'm surprised people are agreeing with me for the most part. i thought everyone worshiped UFO here.

Why am I this inconsistent ;_;
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21455

Will I never reach 1B on this shot? no
How's your PCB extra, T? Or did I ask you and you never scored in it since you preferred Phantasm? Well, I don't remember anyway.

Eh, I have no problems with UFO, but it's one of the touhous that I barely play. I used to play it a lot, but those UFOs frustrate me hard. I usually play SA most of my time because I really like the life system of it, and I sincerely find it pretty easy. It's pretty funny because I can 1CC SA but I can't 1CC MoF.

>>9075038
Majority of /jp/ agreed that PCB and SA are good games.
EoSD, IN, LLS, MS, StB and DS are ok.
MoF, UFO, GFW and TD have many flaws. Nobody talks about HRTP, SoEW, PoDD and PoFV.

>>9075064
I recently 1cc'd MoF. Only hard part of that game is Kanakos final spell. If you're not careful, it can easily take like 4 lives off you (especially if you panic due to being so close to 1cc'ing the game)
I had countless runs end to that damn spellcard.

I tried SA back when I was new to touhou and it pretty much destroyed me, though it's the only game I need to 1cc now before I've done them all on normal. I might give it another shot today

>>9075070
I think the difficulty of SA is messed up. I don't mind hard games, but it feels unfairly difficult compared to the others.

>>9075085
it's like the game starts off on hardmode

>>9072185
I tried to follow everything you suggested me, and it ended up like this : http://www.mediafire.com/?t3zrl472k4uu47m (I really hope this is the right replay). I got incredibly frustrated at the end, but I think it's allright. As always, criticism would be great.

Wow I'm so bad, I've never gotten past stage 3.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21456

>>9075038

UFO seemed pretty unpopular if you ask me, although I enjoy it. It's one of those games that starts off slow then I greatly enjoy once stage 4 starts off. On the other hand I feel like the only person that dislikes SA. It's one of the most depressing Touhou games to play, even though it was the most difficult on Normal, I didn't feel good about managing to 1cc it. It was just a lukewarm feeling. Every time I play it I feel like absolute shit and I hate almost every single shot type in the game. I probably won't finish the extra because of that.

>>9075291
Almost every single one of your death was with 4 power, bomb more. You can easily stream the stuff before midboss Orin at stage 6 by simply going through the sides of the screen by unfocusing and doubletapping to the direction of the wall you're going in, only works with Reimu A. If you bombed more, you would be able to clear Lunatic easily with your level of dodging.

>>9075456
Allright, I'll try running with bombing more often. Let's see if it will work.

>>9075310
Your stage 1 is fine. You miss a few UFOs, but it doesn't matter much.

Stage 2 is fine, except for missing a life piece. The bomb on Kogasa's first spell was panicky and wasteful. You weren't doing a bad job of her last spell either, but I can see why you bombed it. Much better than dying.

Your death at the start of stage 3 was silly. Don't get yourself trapped at the bottom like that. Your second death seemed even more odd. I guess you looked away from your character? You looked very scared during Ichirin's midboss spell. You should try to look for paths you can move through ahead of time so that the fists don't catch you off-guard like that. You get kind of trapped again after the midboss, but it also looks like you misjudged your hitbox a little. You also fly into a bullet just before Ichirin. Maybe you're panicking, I do sometimes even on stage 3.

The run didn't look too bad until the start of stage 3. Keep working on it. You'll get a better sense of where your hitbox is and stuff as you practice.

What is the secret to beating Orin?
I'm trying to 1cc SA on normal. The usual pattern is 6-7 lives after stage 4, 5-6 lives before Orin and 1-2 lives after Orin. ;_;

>>9075533
The secret is to bomb the fuck out of her.

There's also this image if you feel like learning how to beat her properly.

>>9075542
Thanks! I'll try that!

>>9075291

You dodge better than me and I've 1cc'd all the games on normal mode.
As someone has already said, you just need to bomb more...
Watching some of those deaths while you had 4 power was cringe worthy.

Never again I'm playing Touhou while drunk.
What a disgrace

>>9073402
http://pastebin.com/jV0hzbj0
I am better at dodging than I am at reading. Also, my goals are play more UFO.
>>9074432
Cactu you are such a good player.
>>9074951
>inb4 Riz
raw raw rage rage how dare you not liek ufo raaaaw im so angry rage
>>9075080
Try to time it out. It's not that bad once you grasp it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUKTU-llMg
>>9075291
Pic related.
>>9075320
When in doubt, ReimuA. I like a few of the shots in SA, but not always.
>>9075533
You shouldn't need more than 2 lives on Utsuho.

>>9074939
>UFO is the worse game in the series. Thank god ZUN realized his errors and went a different direction with TD (Only bad point in TD being trance).
>(Only bad point in TD being THE ENTIRE SCORING SYSTEM)
That's a pretty big "only".

>The hitboxes in UFO are fucking ridiculous, I've never played a touhou games that's more clippy than UFO.
It's like you've never played EoSD, MoF, or TD.

>Even checking the replays I can clearly see I dodged an attack yet it still kills me.
I'd love to see those replays. The only things with relatively large hitboxes in UFO are the curvy lasers, which are equally large in TD. TD also has the new arrow bullets which give a lot of people trouble and the bright glowy bullets which are being compared to EoSD's Metal Fatigue.

>The UFO system is terrible and based on nothing but memorization.
I don't know of a single scoring system that doesn't require memorization.

>Who wants to sit and memorize where each UFO spawns on every single level? I sure don't.
The same people that want to memorize safespots in EoSD, optimal border locations in PCB, optimal bullet cancelling in IN, stage rhythms in MoF, supergraze spots in SA, and enemy spawn locations in TD.

>>9075056
>How's your PCB extra, T?
Shit. Some no-effort 1B+ runs that I don't even think about. I've spent more time trying to pacify Red Oni Blue Oni than scoring.

>Or did I ask you and you never scored in it since you preferred Phantasm?
Yep. Ask Heartbeam about it the next time you run into him. PCB is his game, and PCB Extra is his baby. I don't know how much time he has put into SakuyaA, though.

Streaming some Touhou and taking requests: http://www.livestream.com/stouhou

I intend to stream all day if I can.

>>9075720
Who gives a shit about score?
Also put your trip back on, it's embarrassing.

>>9076053
Score is pretty entertaining, but my biggest problem about it is that I get too obsessive sometimes, restarting the game just because my graze or my score was lower than before. It's dangerous to care a lot about score.

>>9076053
>Who gives a shit about score?
Who gives a shit about survival.
>Also put your trip back on, it's embarrassing.
Since when did I use a tripcode.

SA is bad. Only thing this game provides is frustration, rather than fun.
Cannot ever do stage 5 properly because of it's ridiculous difficulty.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21460
Good run for stage 1-4 then lost everything on 5. Okay w.e.
If anyone feels like watching, know that I stopped trying towards the end of stage 5, hence the multiple deaths to Orins second spell...
There is no use trying to continue unless I have 5+ lives for Utsuho, because I've gotten hardly any practice on her.
I don't want no advice on what to do, just wanted to vent my frustration at this piece of shit game.

>>9076103
>Who gives a shit about survival.
90% of the people that play touhou.

>>9076120
I've literally played SA the whole weekend, and I've restarted the first stage because of my low graze and/or scoring more than 50 times probably. Strangely enough, I feel much more entertained playing SA than playing PCB or EoSD.

>>9076120
Oh forgot to mention, I can usually do Parsee flawlessly without bombing, but my "hand slipped" when I used my first bomb, and I dunno why I bombed the second time.

>>9076120
Honestly, I never understood the bitching about Orin. She's hard, but most of her cards are fun and it doesn't feel like a chore to practice them. Practicing Okuu is among the least fun things you could possibly do.

>>9076390
> Fun
> Has the least fun level in series
> Has the hardest mid boss
> Has 1 fun spell, the rest are are bullshit.

Yeah, no.

>>9076120
Nevermind I beat the game now.
It's now my favourite in the series, 10/10 would recommend to everyone.
Just kidding game is still shit.

>>9076409
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-are-you-quoting

>>9075675
I can't believe... It worked... ;_; http://www.mediafire.com/?ktbl28spbcpd357

>>9075675

Yeah, I use Reimu A in SA. Well, used to use is more accurate since I don't play it anymore. It feels kinda sucky to be shoehorned into a shot type though, almost all the other ones feel way too gimmicky or way too awful. To tell the truth I'm not sure exactly why I dislike it though besides the shot types. The music is nice, the characters are nice, and I don't mind the fact that it's tough, but something about it really makes me not want to play it. It could be the spellcards, but that's all I can think of that might make me not want to play the game.

Riz is streaming some Touhou gameplay, come and check it out; http://www.livestream.com/stouhou

What's easier for a first lunatic 1cc? EoSD, PCB, or IN? I have hard clears for them and want to do lunatic. I'm been playing 3 months now. Only notable thing is perfecting pcb extra and near-perfect eosd/in extra runs.

>>9076909
He'll be playing all day and is taking requests!

Testing that 300 is the auto sage limit.

New thread

>>9077853

That was a great show. I streamed for like... 8 hours? We did some NB UFO Lunatic runs and lost some great ones on Byakuren. We did some SA Normal and Lunatic. We played some EoSD Extra. We played some SoEW and came very close to beating it. I was a little tired later on, but I think it was great overall. Thank you all for watching. Also, I'm going to put some bloopers on YouTube.

>>9077858
And I forgot to mention PoFV Ultra as Mystia? Well, we also did that. It was fun.