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RAYMOOO IS KING!!!!!!!1111

>>8983879
Marisa's just biding her time until she can become a fully realized yokai and murder the fuck out of Reimu to avenge her former master.

>>8983879
Sakuya infiltrated the scarlet devil mansion as a maid in order to kill the scarlet sisters. At the time of her infiltration, the barrier was put in place. With no place to escape to and realizing there's no way she can kill either Remilia or Flandre, she lives the rest of her life as a maid.

By "random theories" I take it you mean "crackpot theories".

Danmaku rules for no killing existed way before the PC-98 timeline even starts...

Renko Usami and Maribel Hearn are Yukari Yakumo and Ran Yakumo/Reimu Hakurei from alternate timeline universes who want to be Ghost Busters after seeing the movie

Maribel is Yukari and Renko is the first Hakurei.

Years in the future Maribel's powers become so strong she turns into a youkai and travels with Renko to the past to start Gensokyo.

>>8984052
>At the time of her infiltration, the barrier was put in place.

That would maker her over 100 years old...

Spellcard rules were instituted between 5 and 6, in response to the scathing of Makai.

It's a nuclear non-proliferation treaty disguised as dueling protocol.

I'm just wondering why like, the spellcard rules are even known by random touhous like Miko who were just resurrected...Shouldn't she be going all out?

>>8984464

I tend to imagine the spellcard rules being woven into the fabric of Gensokyo itself. It disables innate powers and sets an upper cap on your magic, which is why Yuyuko didn't just stare you into a heart attack at the end of PCB, and the rules take instant effect any time there's a battle, regardless if anyone has actually -said- they're having a spellcard duel.

>>8984464
The only way it makes sense is that the spell card rules are written into the reality of Gensokyo.

>>8984473
Even if that were true, they still have to come up with spellcards. Do they just make em up on the spot?

>>8984491

Perhaps they generate their spells, and they emerge as spellcards within dueling context.

Windows Alice is a doll, PC-98 Alice is the one controlling her from the grimoire.

>>8984500

Windows Alice is an advanced prosthesis. PC-98 Alice is inside her, wearing her like an exo-suit.

These are awesome and would make great doujins if we had the sort of drive /tg/ has.

Here's the Background theory for a fic I'm writing -

The Chinese Yokai, Hong Meiling, fled from real-life China after trying and failing to save people from the horrors of the Opium Trade, Boxer Rebellion, the KMT Purges, World War 2, The Chinese Civil War, and the Cultural Revolution. She's been fighting for so long she doesn't really remember her own origins, becoming more and more human-like as a result. But she's been offered an opportunity to escape to a faraway land of Magic and there's just one thing she's got to do to get in - stop that devil-eyed rabbit woman from sabotaging the Apollo 11.

>>8984547
Devil eyed rabbit woman?

>>8984415
She can stop time. I'm sure she can stop her own aging.

>>8984550

Her eyes show hell to those who look into them. Obviously Reisen, but Meiling doesn't know that.

>>8984568
B..But.. Why would you hurt poor Reisen? ;_;

Well, only if it's Udongein, that's my waifu punk!

>>8984574
Nah just kidding.

Have fun dood.

>>8984574

I said stop, not kill. Anyway, it ends up being a "prank" played on the two of them by Yukari and Eirin.

Remilia and Flandre were born with each other's powers. Flandre used her ability to change fate by switching their powers so Remilia wouldn't have to suffer.

>>8984649
That makes no sense. Why wouldn't Flan outright change fate so that both she and Remilia wouldn't have to suffer?

Afterworld justice is actually somewhat mechanistic. For all her might as an Enma, Shikieiki is just a cog in a Cosmic God-Machine she's powerless to control. That's why she's so desperate for people to listen to her about the dangers they put their souls in - not because she thinks what they're doing can be judged absolutely, but because the nature of the universe forces her to do so.

>>8984658
>>8984649
Why does flan suffer anyway, why can't she just leave the basement? If she needs to eat humans, why not just bring her some humans. Youkai can exit the barrier, this is canon.

>>8984712

Not this shit again...

Yukari is Maribel.

Wait, this isn't that simple. Yukari is attempting to take over the earth. Her first plan is to seal off yokai so they can become strong and humans will forget how to exterminate them.

This plan fails because the humans advance very quickly and develop incredible technologies.

Her next plan involves taking over the moon, stealing their technology and invading the earth with the new weapons. This fails again and she is forced back into Gensokyo.

Her final plan involves seeking out an incredibly gifted unified physics student(Renko) by possesing the body of her close friend (Maribel) and using her potential discovery to take over the earth.

The discovery turns out to be something useless and Yukari gives up her plan of conquering earth. She destroys the Great Hakurei Barrier and Gensokyo which causes the world to be filled with yokai again. This time however, the yokai live peacefully alongside humanity. Yukari is never seen again after that day but it's strongly implied that she is simply living as Maribel.

One week later ZUN reveals that his wife is a descendant of Hieda no Are and that all of this is based on a true story. On the same day yokai start roaming the streets and humanity is plunged into a new dark age.

>>8984658
It's a crackpot theory thread. It's not like there's any decent explanation with how the fate changing power works anyway.

Maybe she can't take away things that people have but can fate them to belong to someone else. Maybe taking away her sister's power entirely would've crushed her.

Anyway, I just use this to justify why Remilia can't control her power - it wasn't hers to begin with.

>>8984756
Abilities are self reported, dude.

They're the equivalent of a catch-phrase or slogan. Remilia is just convinced that she is strong enough to defy destiny. It's not like she has some cosmic bullshit ability to change some abstract concept that can't be proven empirically

>>8984756
You are right and I apologize for being so harsh on my answer to your theory. There's a flaw, though: sure, Flandre can't control her power because it wasn't hers to begin with. Wouldn't that mean Remilia wouldn't be able to control her power either?

>>8984776
Remilia is actually who I was referring to in the first place. Doesn't ZUN write in PMiSS that it's unclear how much control Remilia has over her power?

>>8984780
Oh. Nevermind then. Again, sorry.

>>8984658

"Fate," Or "Probability," as Flandre used to call it, can only be bent so far until something breaks. As a result of her choice, all that broke was Flandre's mind.

>>8984776
What implies that Flandre can't control her power, exactly? I recall her blowing up an asteroid with it, which does require some control.

Yukari is breeding Reimu for true all-knowing all-seeing godhood by constantly calling crazy demigods she knows from other planes to Gensokyo to fuck shit up and cause Reimu to grow in power and enlightenment

>>8984784
No problem dude, we're here to discuss.

Touhou is cool because we can do this with it.

>>8984747
lol at that retarded last spoiler.

>>8984798
The thing is that she can control her power, just as well as anyone else. The problem is that she's pretty childlike and isn't very good in social situations and probably has trouble understanding other people. It's like giving an eight-year old power over nukes and spontaneously killing things. Plus, I'd imagine her ability itself makes her feared and only contributes to Flandre's ineptitude and whatnot. ZUN says she's messed up in the head, but pretty much anyone would be given her situation.

Marisa is Yukukari is Maribel.

Mima is Renko.

The snake that wraps around nue is sexually attracted to the snake ornament sanae wears

Flan is Remi's alternate personality. Technically they have never been seen together at the same time except for Aya's article, but Remi has the money and gives Aya enough material and attention to get her to say whatever she wants.

Mima is really not canon. ZUN wants people to forget about her or at least consider her to be something like a fan character (source is the ZUN emails). Sorry.

>>8986539
>forget about her
Hahahaha no.
She was in the cover of Akyu CD and if I am not wrong mentioned in CoLA or PMISS.
Think about it. Why would ZUN remake Reincarnation if he isnt gonna reincarnate her?

>>8988841
Forgot my pic.

Mima hit the end of her lifespan as a ghost and got reincarnated as a human. She's currently about 5 and not yet old enough for danmaku battles.

maribel is marisa
they both begin with mari and look same
renko is reimu
they both begin with re and look same

they are dreaming like mona the vampire hunter

What if everyone born into the Konpaku family is a hermaphrodite, but not in the usual sense?
What I'm saying is that their human half and ghost half are of different gender. So Youmu is a girl, but Myon is actually a guy, and when the time comes they reproduce with each other.
This is why everyone in the Konpaku lineage is a half-ghost; the inbreeding ensures that the child will be a half-ghost. It also explains why half-ghosts are so rare and unique, and probably only exists within the Konpakus.
I bet it's all a sick twisted plot conceived by Yuyuko. It's more practical to have a half-ghost servant, because it's easier for them to cross over to the realm of the living or some shit.

tl;dr: Youmu is both a guy and a chick, but not a futa.

Didn't Remui kill many opponents before the events of touhou 6? I mean that was when the rules were included.

>>8988852
That is clearly Sanae-chan

How come beings living deep underground know of spellcard rules? I never got that.

>>8984473
>>8984479
This makes sense and explain a lot of things, to be honest. It explains how the heroines managed to defeat beings as powerful as Miko or Byakuren. It's not because they're going easy on the PCs, but it's because they simply can't utilize their full strength. When they attempted to use all their full powers, it simply manifested itself as spell cards, and they can't control it as well as the PCs.

>>8988890
Well she seemingly still kills in the Windows game. Just look at IN's extra.

>>8988893
spellcards are pretty underground. You've probably never heard of them.

>>8988890
That was a different canon tho

ZUN just added in the spell card rules stuff because he was scared about kids
IRL she'd be fine with it like look at when she thought she killed Sakuya she was just "my bad lol when its only one murder"
I always interpreted it as "reimu is a powerful human who can take on youkai but she can't kill them because they're monsters" which is why when she was told Sakuya was human she thought "oh no a human would have died from my attacks"

>>8988901
No she did kill Sakuya. Sakuya just brought a younger her into the present at the time of her death.

>>8988898
It's just one of the numerous plotholes that the series is filled with. There's no way or reason for anyone to be aware of them, other than the protagonists, during the events of Subterranean Animism.

Okuu fighting using spellcard rules in the final battle is especially dumb.

>>8988931
Does it matter? The attacks look the same whether they use spellcard rules or not.

>>8988931
Maybe Koishi had told them about it after one of her many escapades into the surface world?

Maybe Yukari instituted the rules in order to give the miko a fighting chance? I mean with the crazy powers that some of them seem to possess it would be quite a feat for Reimu to actually kill one of them. Youkai supposedly need humans in order to believe in them so that they can continue to exist so this 'friendly' form of combat protects both parties.

Still, if they wanted humans to believe in them a far more effective way would be terror like they did in the good old old days.

>>8988953
>a far more effective way would be terror like they did in the good old old days.
If by effective, you mean get them exterminated again, sure.

>>8988893
Spell card danmaku battle is like sex.
You just know about it somehow.

>>8988953
Thereby forcing the humans to resist, fight back, and in the process, advance? Conflicts and endangerment to one's survival leads to progress, whilst complacency and peace leads to stagnation. The youkai are content with having their livestock where they are now.

>>8988960
>>8988967
they were always subtle about it before without any real danger of all out war. all they need to do is instill that climate of fear that existed in the old days. I'm sure someone like Yukari could accomplish that by herself and would probably enjoy it as well. The modern world has largely forgotten about Youkai judging from the amount of visitors to Reimu's shrine and so has the necessary no-how in order to combat them.

I was browsing the Touhou wiki when I've seen this on Sakuya's page:

>Also, ZUN said that "if I talk about the relation between these two, then the games would all be reduced to one, so I left it out".

I always liked Sakuya, and hoped that we would eventually learn more about her past. But it looks like she is way more important than I suspected. Wich is I found to be strange since I thought that the story would revolve around the gods and Maribel / Renko.

There are youkai out there that can change boundary at will and all kind of out of this world power.
They can easily make a spell card system/contract that make all youkai in gensokyo bound it forcefully and once they are borned.

>>8988953
>>8988967
Kanako, Hijiri and Miko states in Symposium that Gensokyo's youkai were different than the old youkai, and that Gensokyo itself was enough to let them exist.

Gensokyo's youkai doesn't need people of Gensokyo to believe in them.

In my fantasy, Sakuya is the daughter of the late Blackadder the First, who seized the throne of England for the most glorious 30 seconds ever in history. Her birth was roughly in 1480 A.D

When she was 20 and in adoption of some noble in England, she discovered how the family's ancestors were killed by Dracula. Therefore she set off to hunt the vampire.

She traveled to France and found another three victims of Dracula - the sister of Scarlet Family. She then take care of the child, only to witness their transformation later on.

The older sister, Remilia, was strong-willed enough to become a high-class Apostle that very much close to true Vampire. But the younger, Flandre and Rumia, were severely harmed that they lost their minds. Rumia no longer knows who she is, and Flandre suffers from serious mental illness.

And it goes on...

>>8989011
>The older sister, Remilia, was strong-willed enough to become a high-class Apostle that very much close to true Vampire.
> Remilia, was strong-willed enough to become a high-class Apostle that very much close to true Vampire.
>Remilia
>Apostle
>very much close to true Vampire.

And Yukari mastered the 2nd Magic ?

>>8989025
Yeah and Sakuya is an ex member of Burial Agency and learned her magic from Kiritsugu.
She is good at using knifes after all those years of using black keys.

>>8989038
As the Greater Grail is destroyed and ultimately forgotten in the real world, it appear in Gensokyo.
Byakuren try to hide it so that Avenger can be born into Gensokyo.

Last fight is Sakuya vs Byakuren in the depth of the Myouren Temple.

"We are two women engaging in useless folly."

Remilia is Odin, Flan is Loki. They're not actually sisters, only becoming siblings through their vampirism, akin to how some attests that Odin and Loki are blood brothers. They wield the correct weapons. Remilia imprisoned Flan, just as Odin imprisoned Loki.

Hakurei Reimu is actually the reincarnation of Graham Chapman. Talented, cool and homosexual.

>>8989068
Then Yukari is British and her talk resembles Stephen Fry?