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You can't become a youkai.

>She probably has way more knowledge and power than Alice

Wrong. Very wrong.

And she's still researching immortality.

>>8972252
Alice is a puppeteer. She just dangles her fingers to make puppets move. It really doesn't take much knowledge or power.

>>8972243
>'s
>s

>>8972261
Someone didn't play the PC98 games, I see.

Marisa's canonically like 14 and her parents are human.

Use your fucking nut.

>>8972261
She's also a magician who was EX as a child and who refuses to show the full extent of her power in Windows.

>>8972266
Time flows at the same rate in both our world and Gensokyo

Marisa is not 14.

>>8972261

You know nothing.

She's one of the 3 characters so far capable of using Ultimate Magic. She's broken as fuck.

>>8972274
Alice, Yuuka, ?

Who's the 3rd?

>>8972280

Shinki.

You know, the one who actually developed it.

>>8972289
Well, we don't actually know where the book came from.

>>8972264
They aren't canon.

>>8972308
Reimu official profile for TH6
>Chronologically, this title is not too far from the previous title, thus her age stays the same as before.

HERP DERP

Marisa's thing is being a normal human with hard earned magical powers, turning her into a youkai would be pretty bleh.

>>8972264
I don’t think a lot of people played the PC98 games on this board, and that’s fine!

>>8972316
>ZUN has stated that the first five Touhou Project games produced for the PC-98 platform are not canon in relation to the Windows games, and that the PC-98 canon itself has not changed (implying it has a separate existence).

>Why isn't Marisa a youkai yet?
Well, Marisa motto would be: Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse.

She also needs an excuse to borrow books, curious how all the canon-library wannabes didn't shout this asap.

There should be some sort of incident where Alice has to step up and use her ultimate magic or something

>>8972324
What are you talking about?

>>8972330
That's not what he said, he only said to disregard it. PC98 games aren't easy to obtain anymore, so he was discouraging pirating.

He also made it clear in an interview that characters like Genjii are still there and the only reason they aren't showing up anymore is because he likes to work on new characters more than old ones, and because he doesn't want to come up with ideas for what the old ones have been doing all this time.

And then there's the quote I posted earlier, which proves that TH5 is part of the Windows canon, because it is the previous title to TH6. With this, anyone not blinded by their mad, raging autism can see that Mima is still in Windows Gensokyo, because she appeared in TH5.

Marisa is all about unleashing all of her power, while Alice always decides to hold back. Even so, are they of equal power like that? That makes Alice fucking powerful.

>>8972347
It only proves that a part of TH5 is in the canon. It's a carryover. The rest of the old canon is gone.

>>8972347
Does ZUN know of the notorious popularity Mima is getting? And about ranting about bringing her back?
I think ZUN should at least do a final closure on the PC98 characters,
"Mima is resting forever somewhere and will probably not be returning" should stop those complaining about her not returning

Marisa is a racist. Pro human only

>>8972362
He doesn't have to do shit because it's non-canon.

I guess Genji got some nods though. I recall something about turtles living behind the Hakurei Shrine.

>>8972362
A final closure is not necessary because they are all still there.

>>8972359
Really? Which part?

Because I'm pretty sure it says that the previous TITLE occurs just before TH6. It didn't say a part of the title.

>>8972370
But she interacts with a lot of youkai, no? Well, given Gensokyo is a land full of youkai, but what I mean is she keeps flying around the land and meets many youkai. Doubt she has anything against youkaidom

She's becoming a youkai.

She really wants to be immortal.

>>8972370
She responds to a conversation about the humans of Gensokyo being like zoo animals with this:
>Honestly, I don't care about the humans of the village.

>>8972347
>he only said to disregard it. PC98 games aren't easy to obtain anymore, so he was discouraging pirating.

...or so he can have a clean slate with previous ideas to borrow from, and more creative control over his series.

This happens all the time, dude. Star Wars is probably the best example. Mentioning "Life Day" doesn't make the entire Holiday Special canon again.

>>8972404
This is simple logic:

1. We are presented with evidence that at least 1 PC-98 game is still part of Windows canon.
2. We are presented with evidence that ZUN said to disregard those games, but there are multiple explanations for why he said that.
3. We need to make these two things fit together, so let's choose an explanation that allows it to make sense.

In the face of that, you go and say "no, the explanation I want to be true is the correct one, even though it makes no sense."

>>8972420
ZUN never said that TH5 is canon.

>>8972420
Am I being trolled?

>>8972432
Well, he didn't say it was TH5 :S

>>8972432
See his post: >>8972316

The fact that the creator of a game mentioned a character in relation to her appearance in a different canon means they're now the same canon. He also had a Q&A on his website explaining things like Alice and other PC-98 characters, so they're all now canon too.

I don't get it either. It's a pretty convoluted troll.

>>8972420
>We are presented with evidence that at least 1 PC-98 game is still part of Windows canon.

This premise is false. Therefore the whole reasoning leads to faulty result.

>>8972432
>>8972436
>>8972439
>>8972446
>>8972457
>Chronologically, this title is not too far from the previous title

Nice guys. Let's all refuse to look at what's RIGHT in front of us.

In PCB alice says something like "Remember me?" obviously saying they met before.

Alice is also one of the most powerful characters, she just locked her book and refuses to use it ever since it turned her into a youkai/she failed to beat the player with it. She is probably a recluse because of the book, when she studies/trains with it she could mess some shit up. Her dolls are just something she enjoys messing with. I think Marisa is jealous of her dolls too, because she can control them so well...Marisa said in her grimore that she wants to be able to control slaves better.

>>8972518
>>8972665
These are both proof that at least Alice's canon from MS is carried over to windows canon. If not, it's come complex bullshit I don't want to fantasize about, but be told again as canon.

>>8972724
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbNlaUgqUZw
Why is MS Alice so good?

>>8972665
>>8972724
http://web.archive.org/web/20050909085157/http://gensou.s93.xrea.com/world/qa0301.html

Use Google Translate if your Japanese isn't very good, you will get the gist of it.

>>8972747
So, it's basically a "nevermind" thing? MS Alice treated as irrelevant per strict canon because it's too hard to squeeze in? That sucks.

>>8972747
What web site is this?

>>8972776
Basically, but it's nice to see nods to it.

Again, a lot of series do this. Even if they're supposed to be in the same canon. Go play Arena then play Morrowind. The same names and places come up, but a lot of things have obviously changed from how the original creative team envisioned them.

It's the same with ZUN. He was just making these games, then wanted a clean slate so he did a semi-reboot.

>>8972801
You guys could at least bother to explain to me how my argument in this post is wrong:
>>8972518

>>8972810
I'm not falling for anything you say unless you post with an avatar and tripcode.

>>8972810
I think he decided he wanted to start over ~after~ finishing up EoSD, once he realized where he was taking the story's direction.

>>8972819
After PCB, he got his girlfriend who later became his wife, and Touhou games have been on a downward spiral ever since.

Coincidence? I think not.

>>8972828
Shut up nerd

I'll stick with my fanon that MS and PCB Alice are one and the same ;_;

>>8972873
How pathetic.

>>8972876
There's nothing stating that they are not one and the same.

If any of you guys played mystic square, in alice's normal battle (Before getting the grimore) she uses dolls in the fight. Guess not people remember this?

>>8972997
In LLS, Marisa is an ordinary magician who wears a witch hat.

I personally believe that PCB Alice is MS Alice`s successor and that she was an outsider that accidentally entered with the group from DiPP.

To simply but it, MS Alice was trapped out of Makai after the extra stage and was forced to stay at the Hakurei Shrine. She ended up coming across PCB Alice who was going by another name at the time. Lets just say Margaret. Alice gave Margaret the Grimoire and named Margaret her successor.

The events of DiPP then proceeded for what ever reason. Perhaps it was an initiation. But it certainly would have alleviated the boredom that was mentioned by the killer in DiPP. After this initiation Margaret adopted the name Alice and using the head start she was given, she completed her training as magician.

MS Alice then disappeared in some manner, and the only person the we know that witnessed this doesn`t really care.

>>8973018
This is just an idea I have and I don`t care if people reject it

Connecting canons is stupid. Characters and events from one may occur in the other, but Windows canon doesn't "follow on" from PCB canon. That's why they're separate canons.

Pic is one of the many reasons you are all stupid.

I just like to think that everyone from the PC-98 games died horrible and gruesome deaths, except for the four that survived into the current canon.

because fuck those old shitty games

>>8973043
Fuck your shitty taste.

The only fanon idea about the connection between PC98 and Windows I hate is that Alice used magic to age herself.
Seriously, whats the point? She still is caring a grimoire, still has short blonde hair, still wears a headband, and still wears mostly blue.

>>8972873
But Shinki and Windows Alice are one and the same. They have the same outfit scheme.

Tell me how become a youkai, /jp/

>>8972246
nigga you serious?

i like to think Alice is controlling a Doll of herself from the sidelines and that's why she acts like a freak in the windows games

I always assumed PC-98 canon handled kind of like Star Wars EU.

It's considered canon until the Windows series overrides it.

>>8973193
...what if Marisa actually died a horrible death like the others pc98s, and now she's actually a doll controlled by Alice who doesn't accept her death?
...what if Alice also died, and the one around now is a wind-up doll?

>>8972308

People need to stop saying this, even ZUN himself hasn't said that

>>8973234
What if you're violating global rule 2?

>>8973247
What if I'm violating your mouth?

>>8973247
you're mean.

>>8972379
>interacts with a lot of youkai

As does every other named human.

Interacting with youkai does not mean one supports them, merely knows how to speak with animals. Look at Akyuu and Reimu.

>>8973679
Reimu's just tsundere for youkai, if they went away she'd have nothing to do

>>8973694
She likes peace, that's all.

>>8973679
She also stated in IN that she goes youkai hunting at times for fun.

>>8972243
Who is that? She looks so familiar

You guys need to read WaHH 11.
Marisa said it was kind of troublesome to be human and was complaining about how her injuries would healed instantly if she is a youkai.
It will only be a matter time.

>>8975043
I kinda feel like that'll be the joke/reveal/trick or whatever you want to call it too. None of our humans are remotely normal or human anyway. Reimu's of the Hakurei bloodline which is pretty clearly special in some way. Marisa's a prime candidate for becoming a youkai as mentioned. Who knows if Sakuya is even really Human. Sanae is a demigod. Youmu's a half-ghost.

I don't think ZUN would ever commit to such a thing though