/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Oh ok, I was wondering why the sticky died suddenly.

ETA for Trojan Green Asteroid?
When do you think it will show up in share.

Ar Tonelico.

sage

Link to TGA download?

Translation where?

Cool, it's finally time to read the previous thread.
By the way oh god TGA is out already?

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>>8933706

it isn't released yet, the thing it comes out has started though.

it will be posted here when it is on the internet no doubt

Really forward to Koishi's theme. Now we need a link, since it's released already.

>>8933719
I am looking forward to DESIRE DRIVE!

>Trojan Green Asteroid & Symposium of Post-Mysticism

How does ZUN come up with this shit, just flip through a dictionary?

>>8933729
He picks English words that sound cool and throws them all together in a blender.

>>8933729

2deep4u

>>8933729

He just thinks of the fancier words possible to describe the thing. "Symposium of Post-Mysticism" because a good part of the book narrates a meeting between Kanako, Miko and Byakuren.

No idea about Trojan Green Asteroid, though. What the heck.

>Anything that disappears, becomes forgotten, or denied existence in the outside world comes to Gensokyo.
Guys, can I go to Gensokyo?

I'm excited waiting for it.

>>8933744
Astronomy club aniki.
They stargaze and stuff so of course the name of the album has something to do with space.

>>8933748
Sure, just follow the Star Wars Holiday Special and New Coke, they'll lead you straight there.

>>8933744
A green asteroid that's a trojan.

>>8933755
Star Wars Holiday Special may be denied, but it is certainly not forgotten.

I always thought that Renko and Maribel are some kind of alternate reality/timeline version of Reimu and Yukari.

Crazy I know.

I thought he was talking about malware in the dls or something.

>>8933825
Get Derek in here.

>>8933818
Renko = Reimu
Marible = Yukari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOqsmrz_Eo
Gensokyo is just their dream and the reason why Yukari can manipulate borders. She is the dreamer afterall. Video slightly related.

>>8933825
Nope Anon, it's just music. No virus (:

Who are those two cute girls on the cover of Trojan Green Asteroid?

>>8933762
Actually, it's a Trojan asteroid that's green.

>>8933862

Maribel Yakumo, Yukari Yakumo's long-lost daughter, and Renko Usami, Maribel's one-legged friend that still keeps her inspirational smile going, even though her life is difficult with only three limbs.

I wonder if ZUN will ever make them contact Gensokyoans.

>>8933847

You're retarded. It's obviously

Renko = Reimu

Maribel = Marisa

Maribel is already Yukari.

>>8933847
MARIBEL IS MARISA YOU FUCK!

MARISA IS ALWAYS THE IN THE GAMES, REIMU IS ALWAYS IN THE GAMES.
THINK A LITTLE YOU RETARD.

>>8933927
>>8933924
Nope.
Renko is more like the combination of Reimu/Marisa.
Black witch hat and the red tie that resemble Reimu miko dress.
Come at me.

>>8933927

Always in the games...

The other 2 are always in the CDs...

Agh, it's all useless!

Oh hey a sticky

>>8933847
>>8933947
>>8933951
>>8933927

>>8933927
>>8933924
While it does make sense with the whole REnko and MARIbel, the latter seems more of a Yukari look-a-like and even shares her abilities somewhat.

The names was probably more of a ZUN personal thing rather than than an outright hint, it's the story itself that makes it seem more like Maribel is Yukari.

>>8933947

Now you're just forcing it. Just look at the goddamn names. Mari Mari, Re Re. The two are blonde, the two are brown.

It makes more sense if you think that Yukari is Maribel as a youkai and Renko is dead already or something, Marisa is Yukari/Maribel and Reimu is Renko.

Come on.

>>8933847
>>8933924
>>8933947
>>8933969

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Magical_Astronomy:_Story

read

Guys, guys.

Maribel has said that she comes from a family that can see boundaries. This can only mean one thing: long ago, when Gensokyo did not exist, Yukari used to kidnap interesting people. One of these was Lafcadio Hearn, who acquired an undying love for anything japanese, and also managed to get Yukari pregnant.
This unknown child inherited only a fraction of Yukari's power, but it managed to stay in his lineage along with his last name.
Maribel is just a descendant of Yukari.

>>8933979
furthermore, has it ever struck you that they might just be original characters?

>>8933984
whoa, no way.

That feel when you actually want to buy a copy...

wopw this board is fucken gay, why does the mod sticky gay shit like this lol losers

>>8933979
She dreamt about Imperishable night because of her desire for moon tour?

Why have I come to dislike Byakuren after reading this?

What if
They are just original characters
dumbasses

>>8934032
After reading what, specifically?

>>8934046
The symposium.

And Ghostly Field caused the incident for PCB.

>>8934061
No, I meant specifically. What detail?

>>8934032

What? Are you serious? This made her even more awesome. From the information about her constructing the Ultimate Scroll during her 1000 years of Hell, I'd imagine she went on bizarre demon slaying adventures to acquire the materials.

Just like Jesus.

Miko is growing on me.

>>8934068

Forged in hellfire and brimstone, the perfect weapon for the Youkai God Emperor.

Wasn't there something about Akyuu finding Maribel's cards and something about the future?

>>8934106
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Memorandum

Man, Byakuren sounds so cruel, with the whole "humans in Gensokyo exist to ensure the survival of youkai" thing and shit.

I like how Kanako promotes the pursuit of knowledge. Indeed, she seems the most level-headed of the three.

>>8934097

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY GRIMDARK.

>>8934122
If humans weren't necessary for their survival, I bet they would have all been kicked out.

The youkai already lost that war and had to hide in Gensokyo. Because of those humans, almost all of the youkai have disappeared from the outside world. If anything, humans are the biggest threat.

If the human population of Gensokyo increased too much, we'd probably see all of the youkai driven out of their homes yet again.

Yeah, this release made me like Kanako a bit more.
I think I can understand why Byakuren would dislike humans so much, though. GROUNDED FOR 1000 YEARS

I sure hope Marisa get a new shot type from Miko.
She has been badly nerf since IN.

>>8934131

>GROUNDED

That's an understatement.

COMIC1 have just started. Now it is just a matter of waiting patiently. (the photo is from ZUN's twitter)

>>8934148
Let's design what it might be!
Maybe based on Miko's nonspells, high damage, slowish bullets that go maybe midscreen before exploding into little weak bullets in every direction?

HUMANS WILL BE NOTHING BUT WORKER BEES, CREATING HONEY IN OUR PARADISE

>>8934138
Humans shouldn't grow too powerful, there's a funky balance to all this.

It just feels like Byakuren is too busy being assblasted over imprisonment to notice.

Why are the new touhou threads full of /v/ style blabbering? TD release wasn't like this.

>>8934168
Or, unfocused could work like Miko's nonspells aimed forwards, focused could be based on Miko's spinny orb spell, she shoots a few piercing, slow bullets, maybe that keep moving while you stay focused, and if you let go of focus at all, they suddenly expand in place and do good area damage for a second before disappearing? Might be fun.

>>8934196
Because usual /jp/ style of comunication is detrimental to good dialogue and argument.

>>8934223
at times I beg to differ

>>8934196
The last sticky had good discussion.

>>8934183
Interesting how Kanako agreed with her though.

>>8934196
Could you define "/v/ style blabbering"?

All the threads seem the same to me.

>>8933748

Of course, this is mostly just Rinnosuke's bullshittery and speculation.

Renko is one of my favourite Touhous. She's just so stylish!

>>8934395
I love her outfit.

ZUN said on twitter he have already sold all the copies of TGA..

>My thought is that the Lunar Capital is where the highest, noblest gods live - that sort of setting.On the other hand, Gensokyo is where the more friendly, indigenous gods live. I figured that there are probably many different kinds of gods. Eirin is one of them, which is why she didn't interact with the other humans when she moved to Gensokyo.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Interview

Does that mean Eirin is god? Or it's simply me misreading?

>Kisume... She doesn't really understand what's she's doing, normally. I think of her as pretty brutal though. Words are useless against her; she'd just chop your head off, stick it in her bucket, and return home. The head you see may not even be Kisume's head.

Can NOT take it easy tonight.

>>8934427
>Well honestly, until just now I completely forgot that Hatate wasn't in either the Gensokyo Chronicles or the newspapers, so there isn't really a good in-universe explanation.

This hurts. A lot.

>>8934427
>Eirin is a god?
FTFY. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch, to be honest. You're not the only one reading it that way too, so Eirin most definitely is a confirmed god, it seems. Not quite sure of what specifically, though.

>>8934354
Gensokyo has always been stated to be a place of fantasy, dreams, illusions, phantasm. Etc. There may be some level of truth to what he said, especially considering that Miko's appearance in Gensokyo seems to follow that theory.

>>8934431
I wish I had some of those depressed Hatate pictures, they'd come in handy now.

>>8934435
She's the god of meds, obviously.

>>8934427
This shouldn't be too surprising... CiLR chapter 3 already implied that she is, though of course you can interpret it in other ways... I think that's stretching it, but maybe that's just me.

Eirin was one of the founders of that civilization, at any rate.

>>8934444

She's the God of SCIENCE!

wow.

>>8934438
Search the boorus, there's plenty there.

>>8934427
>Because of that, the Watatsuki sisters are truly untouchable to those from Gensokyo.

Not even Shikieiki can beat the moonbitches.

>>8934455

That's bullshit. Shikieiki is not from Gensokyo, she was just appointed Yama of it. She could beat the shit out of those bitches any day if she wanted.

>>8934455

Reimu was slight challange for Yorohime.

Reimu, Yuyuko and Yukari would be no challange at all to Shikieki.

Reading part four of Symposium, and apparently Koishi decided to join the Myouren Temple after Byakuren invited her (because she makes a perfect Buddhist with her lack of desires). She still lives in Chireiden, though.

>>8934493
At least, can we agree that Shikieiki is this powerful because she works for "the powers that be"?
As in, an entity more powerful than every character mentioned thus far.

>>8934455
>>8934493

And yet!!!

>A secret technique that is extreme in many ways. With Reimu's ability to float, she floats from everything in reality and becomes invincible.
If it wasn't just for play (with time limit), no one could beat her with any method.

Yeah, good luck figuring out how all 3 of these things can be true at once.

>>8934519
>becomes invincible
Every timeout card ever

>>8934519
>good luck figuring out how all 3 of these things can be true at once.

>>8934521
Too bad you can't just pass it off as being your everyday timeout card since ZUN himself really did say this:

>If it wasn't just for play (with time limit), no one could beat her with any method.

>>8934531
How tall is Zun

>>8934531
To answer to every question about touhou

>>8934535

He's a giant of a man. In fact, you might call him a god.

So, where is the CD? Aren't all of them sold out? That means there's a DL link out there.

>>8934541
But aren't the japoneese around 5'5

>>8934544
Comiket just started, they can't sell out that quick

>>8934556
>Comiket just started

Holy shit!
Please tell me how to do a time leap, I want Comiket to start as well.

>>8934519
See >>8934531

Its fucking ZUN. Shit making no sense is what he does.

>>8934531
>>8934562
Honestly, shouldn't we just take all 3 statements with a grain of salt?

So, all of these characters are very powerful, but not invincible. Nuff said.

>>8934569
Fair enough.

this thread should be on /vg/ not /jp/

>>8934650
Does that look like a game to you?

>Trojan Green Asteroid

>>The Gensokyo That Floats in Outer Space

>>8933706
https://updates.touhou.com/ARULink/PatchDetails/process_form?patch_num=680419&release=88976640&a
mp;plat_lang=226P&patch_num_id=5510428

You'll need a Touhou Metalink account.

>>8934750
What's the main site to register? I can't seem to even access the link provided.

>>8934770
https://support.touhou.com/CSP/ui/flash.html?login

>2012
>not having a touhou account

>>8934779
"This webpage is not available" Fuck, am I doing something wrong?

>Since she cannot read minds, she no longer has anything that would make others hate her, but since her own mind is blank, she is also unable to be liked by anyone. Her presence cannot be felt except by coming into one's field of vision. Even if one is apt to have her projected from one's eyes, it would still feel as if she did not exist(*1). When she disappears from one's field of vision, one immediately forgets her.

...What?

>>8934794
In other words, she has no conscious mind, and no presence. Even if you saw her, you probably couldn't register her as being a person.

>>8934791
Do you have a cookie set from your gensokyo.org Premium Account?

IS THE DOWNLOAD LINK OUT YET?!

Searching for a torrent of Trojan Green Asteroid on google links to this thread...

Maybe this is blasphemy, but I wish ZUN would get some real musicians, or at least a better synthesizer.

Hell, by now there must be enough decent musicians in the Touhou remix scene that would pay ZUN to be allowed to perform on one of his albums.

.>>8934824
ZUN's compositions aren't terrible, but they do sound like shit. Unfortunately Japs have an unexplainable love of using shitty old synthesizers.

>>8934851
ZUN is the only musician I'm aware of that still uses '90s Roland digital synths in 2012

>>8934824
>get a better synthesizer

Couldn't agree more. He's improved a lot with the Ten Desires soundtrack, but, it's plain to see he cares infinitesimally more about his actual composing than the sounds he's using; most of the tracks use basically presets.

I suppose ZUN doesn't know his way around a synthesizer too well, since it sounds like most of his post-PC-98 songs were written with one of those "workstation" MIDI keyboards, aka an all-in-one machine that does not allow you to modify parameters on the sounds.

I recall ZUN saying once that he laments the fall of frequency modulation (FM) synth in the use of game music, and FM is what was used for PC-98, so I guess he must know how to use synths to some degree, it's just for one reason or another he gave up on really trying to be creative with synth going into the windows games. I suppose the popularity of his tracks without him really trying to be unique with sound probably lulled him into being lazy with the sounds.

>>8934856
I wish I could send ZUN some new synths as gifts. Not as in actually new, but I mean, imagine what he could do if he had a Jupiter 8 or some such.

>>8934860
>infinitesimally

>>8934870
That's an actual word, cool down your autism.

>>8934872
Except it means the opposite of what
>>8934860
used it to mean.

>>8934872
His point was that it was used incorrectly.

>>8934872
It was used incorrectly you douchebag.

In my humble opinion, just like the art of the games, the shitty quality music is part of the charm.
Plus, I feel it gives arrangers more space to build upon.

>>8934887

99% of the Touhou fanbase only likes it because of the lolis in frilly dresses. This is an indisputable fact.

>>8934894
>not liking lolis in frilly dresses
What is wrong with you?

>>8934894
Then I proudly stand alongside the 1%.

>>8934894
I like Touhou because of the lore.

inb4 what lore

>>8934902
He said ONLY.

>>8934911
I read that as ``I like Touhou because of the whores''. Truer words have never been spoken.

Also insert image macro about mods stickying random shit here.

>>8934917
the fuck is your problem? Get out of /jp/

ya'll niggas GAY as fuck yo bunchs real pussies here nigga

is the download link out yet??

>>8934950
see >>8934750

>>8934959
the link doesn't work bro, and if it did, i'm sure somebody would have put up a torrent/ddl by now...

>>8934961
Works fine for me.

>>8934968
so what're the chances of it showing up on PD first?

>>8934950
>>8934961
Ignore him, it's not out yet.

>>8934973

0%.

It'll show up whenever it wants, wherever it wants. Japan =/= America, it might not be out on the Internet for a few more days.

>>8934794
Does this mean the end of LIEBE?

>>8933705

>>8934976

What are you talking about, some of ZUN's original tracks are better than most arranges. Synthesizers don't make everything shit just by existing. I agree that some of his ZUNpets are ear-blowing (like you, Border of Life), but I don't think that even those sound all that bad.

Monday 14:59 in Japan right now.

>>8935157
That's just it: we like ZUN's music, which is why it hurts that he's still using a shitty synthesizer. It'd be even better with a good synth or with real instruments.

>Since she's so strong, a manga is the only thing I can put her in. In games, you need to be able to defeat all of the bosses, after all.
yorihime confirmed for being more powerful than any of the game characters

>>8935302
Who are you quoting?

>>8935321
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Interview

ZUN is about equal with most fan work, don't care too much for the crap he writes.

>>8935337
>That's because she's a character with cheat-like abilities.

How's it feel to have a mary-sue for a waifu?

Also, its easy to put a "defeatable" character in a game, they just don't need to go using their full ability, see: Yukari.

>No matter how many years pass, newcomers will always be newcomers.

Marisa referring to Kanako, Byakuren and Miko.

>>8934794
So, she is like that keychain that's in front of your fucking face but you can't find anywhere unless someone points its exact location out for you. But unlike the keychain, your mind forgets about how Koishi was standing there as soon as you look at something else.

My guess is, in order to fight her, you need to know she's there beforehand and hit what you think is empty space like a madman without actually aiming for her.

She deserves that EX status.

>>8934975
But she uses her ability in the Heart-Throbbing Adventure. In fact it's the first fanon work I've seen where her power is used right.

>>8935393
Koishi the loving gourmet was rather nice.

>>8935211
I agree with you for ZUN to use a more modern synth.
Although I must say things doesn't go that easy. The sound of SD-90 is the core musical identity of ZUN's music and moving to a new synth is a paradigm shift for him meaning that he needs to build a new music style. And using a real inst is sure cool but I don't think it would be a option for him, since ZUN wants to make all his work all by himself (Plus it also means that he would be in the same battlefield as the arrangers are, who are much more experienced and sophisticated at using the real inst.).

>>8935404
Yeah, she's such in asshole in it.

Well this shit came out of fucking nowhere.

Maybe he just likes the stuff he's used to. There are a dozen dozen groups who will redo ZUN's compositions with more capable synths anyway.

>>8935617
Actually, about that: are there groups that specialize in redoing ZUN's music note-for-note but with better synth or even real instruments? Including loop points, so they can be used to replace the in-game soundtrack?

>>8935632
I've thought about doing this myself many times for years, but I've always assumed someone else has already done it many times over. Still though, the Japanese aesthetic for synth programming is very dry imo (usually not much filtering, very clean and lacking midrange... a very conservative style if you'd even call it style), so if someone else has done it I probably wouldn't find it much better than ZUN's originals since honestly most people suck at synth programming.

I've been making synth music myself for a long time as a hobby (mostly ambient/experimental/idm), and have sometimes thought about taking it upon myself to redo some of ZUN's music how I see fit. I'm a serious synthesis geek actually; I obsess over analogues and early digitals and regularly spend many hours trying to coax new types of sounds I've never heard from that synth before that are still pleasing to the ears. Besides games and anime, music is basically my all-encompassing pastime. If there is literally no one out there who redoes ZUN's music with proper synth, then I'd be very tempted to take up the mantle myself, however since I'm sure I'd be mostly wasting my time on something done many times already, it doesn't feel worth my effort.

>>8935736
I don't think it has been done before.

>>8935736
Please give link to your music. I'm interested in hearing how you handle the midranges. I'm still trying to get the hang of all that mixing/mastering stuff. My soundcloud is in the email field if you wanna exchange links or something.

>>8935632
>>Actually, about that: are there groups that specialize in redoing ZUN's music note-for-note but with better synth or even real instruments?

Don't think so. I've only heard people do it with equivalent synth (like dBu music). Always considered doing some though.

>>8935804
congrats on the new album

>>8935804
congrats on the marriage

>>8935804
congrats on the congrats

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17688982
here it is

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17688735

>>8935850
>>8935835
>Dat beginning part

HOLY SHIT

That is here in China.

ttps://www.google.com/search?q=%22ZUN%27s+Music+Collection+Vol.6%22&num=100&hl=en&newwin
dow=1&safe=off&prmd=imvns&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:d

I wonder if these pictures included in the album or it's just the video uploader choice.

Also, which astronomical activity is this?

>>8935915
It's maths.

>>8935915
That shows the Trojan points of Earth's moon.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/%E9%B3%A5%E8%88%B9%E9%81%BA%E8%B7%A1?sort=f

The ones uploaded today are legit.

Download link yet?

More music is always welcome

Hm, so Kisume is confirmed berserk monster. Not sure how to feel about this.

>>8935929
http://msnkkan.blogspot.com.au/
http://www.mediafire.com/?2u5fwmqb6vwwg9l

>>8935950

legit?

man, that koishi's theme

>>8935958
yes

>>8935958
Yep.

>>8935964
>>8935965

DOWNLOADING AT FULL SPEED NOW

>>8935950
mp3 or lossless?

Man, I liked TGA before it was cool.

>>8935975
>105 MBs

cant you tell?

>>8935975
MP3, but it's 320kbps, so it's fine if you're just concerned with listening to it.

>>8935978
I'm not sure how much is in there but I guess it can't be just 3-4 songs.

>>8935993
It has been known for quite a while that it would be 10 songs.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17689893
天鳥船神社

>デザイアドライブ
Why is desire drive so good?

>>8936064
It sounds like kind of like how he used to compose his PC-98 songs, that is, pure synth, which always sounds much much better than the fake cheesy trumpets he took a liking to.

UFO Romance sounds crazier than ever.

>>8933691
does Maribel have a giant boner or why is her skirt like that

>>8936079
I like the trumpets in PCB, doesn't matter if these are cheesy or not as long the composition sounds well.

>>8936095
Because you have a lewd mind

>>8936083
UFO Romance in this Music Collection sounds awesome!!!

Good, somebody finally put some info in the OP, instead of just stickying a "Breaking News: Touhou is awesome!" thread.

Somehow I like this version of Cosmic Mind even more than the original.

>>8936127
Me, too. I have always feel the original is already perfect minus the trumpet. Too bad, circles usually change more than just the trumpet in their arranges. This new version has much better balance now.

Desire Drive sounds exactly the same.

>>8936154
>>8936064

it would have been really cool if it included a trance only section.

how long before scans/leaks ?

>>8936172
320CBR MP3 is already released:
>>8935950

>>8936173
No, scans? Booklet scans...
Assuming there's anything in the first place.

>Trojan
>Trojan
>Trojan
>Trojan
>Trojan
>Trojan
>Trojan
Congrats on the marriage.

>>8935950
Thank you! Here's Beerface ZUN in a Sticky

penis

So Seiga's ability to pass through walls is just her making holes in the wall? Nothing like ghost?

>500 - Internal Server Error
how typical

>>8936293
That's correct. And she can restore the wall as though no hole had been made, as well.

>>8933691
Have you seen Reimu's TD ending? There you can see Seiga making a very literal hole in the wall.

>>8936293
>>8936301
Whoa, whoa, whoa, does that mean she can pass through Reimu or Yukari's barriers?

Looks like Suwako and Kanako's summaries are up!
http://msnkkan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/and-then-there-were-no-cakes.html

We get to learn just how these two gods play thier role in Gensokyo. Also Suwako seems more intimidating than usual.

Finally, Yoshika confirmed as Musician in previous life! And apparently does this still when not under Seiga's control.

>>8936312
I don't think those barriers are physical objects. It would be weird if they were. So, I don't think Seiga can pass through them that easily.

The things Seiga can pass through with her hair stick are solid objects, but not soft ones like rubber.

>>8936320
I thought we established that Suwako is fucking scary when she brought out Mishaguji-sama in Hisoutensoku

>>8936312

Only physical objects, so nope barriers aren't possible.

And apparently she's weak against making holes in softer walls (like rubber). But that doesn't concern her one bit.

>>8936334
In the first place, it's weird that they think a thousand-year old hermit can't easily break something soft, even if she can't rely on the hair stick. The difference is though, that she might not be able to restore it to its previous state afterward. Well, not that she would care, I guess...

>>8936327 steal shit
>>8936334 lie about being weak against rubber

1. create demand for rubber
2. open rubber shop
3. ???
4. PROFIT

>>8936354
She is not concerned with things of a material nature. Naturally, she would not have greed and would not be interested in stealing someone's possessions.

>>8934138

Did you ever read anything canon or played any of the games? Because you sound like you learned about Touhou 15 minutes ago and just finished reading a bit of wiki pages at random.

>Prayers like "the frogs near the fields are too loud at night, could you do something about it?" will probably just turn the fields into wastelands.
I love Suwako now. She's really the best, you know.

In the first place, it's interesting that she really can control those curse gods when everyone else was unable to. I find people like Hina, Rin, and Suwako interesting, because they are always surrounded by extreme negative energy yet are completely unaffected by it, and in fact, are able to manipulate it.

>Gods are dualistic beings, worship them and you will receive blessings; anger them and you will receive retribution.
Sounds like a certain Beatrice... She said that she had the exact same policy in Umineko.

>>8936320
I didn't read the summary yet but;
>Yoshika confirmed as Musician in previous life! And apparently does this still when not under Seiga's control.

How can she play instruments if she can't even walk properly or bend her arms?

>>8936441
She can blow real well, if you know what I mean.

>>8936320
>As she is from the outside world, Kanako has high living standards. However since they don't get many visitors at the shrine, it's impossible to rely on donations to get by. Kanako actually gets her money by selling advanced technology to the kappa.

This gives me a funny view of Kanako selling crap like old TVs, Dyson fans, and Microwaves to Kappas at exorbitant prices.

What would you bring from the outside world to sell to the Kappas anyways?

>>8936458
Addendum thought I just had.

Kanako auctions the stuff to the kappa.

Speaking all fast like while kappas bid on that Dyson fan.

oh lordy, that Hartmann's Youkai arrange

all these UNTZ, I can't handle them.

>>8936458
I imagine lots of luxury/novelty items (Pic related?), or stuff you can tinker around with. Especially things made of materials not commonly found in Gensokyo, like plastics and polymers.

>>8936458
You are now imagining Kanako introducing video games to the Kappa, starting with the Atari 2600 and releasing 'new' consoles when sales start to drop.

where da lossless at

>>8936441

Maybe I should of said, music composer. She somehow writes up song on fallen leaves.

It's been said before that the dead can sometimes maintain thier old habits they use to do in their life. So I guess that means Yoshika was a music writer in her life.

>>8934431
>>8934438
>Hatate is basically forgotten
ZUN can go and eat a big bag of dicks

>>8936578
Oh, okay. So she's just falling into a habit, more or less unaware of why or what she's even doing? That actually is sort of frightening. Sounds like something a mad person would do.

Also are you sure it was "music composer"? The real Miyako Yoshika was a poet who lived about ~800 years ago.

Hey guise I'm just gonna make a rival for Aya for this one spin-off game

>>8934455

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to mean they shouldn't interact with them and have nothing to do with powerlevels.

Just like higher caste members shouldn't interact with lower caste members.

For them earthlings are unclean.

Since this thread is about ZUN's new album, I may ask here. Does anybody have the Oriental Sacred Place 3 CD? Not sucky Niconico Douga rips.

Byakuren confirmed for youkai fuhrer.

I bet ZUN liked her in Love and Peace.

>>8936611

some of her newspapers articles are in the book, stop getting so mad

she just isn't mentioned at all, not completely forgotten about.

>>8936458
>>8936467
>>8936476
>>8936493
I love Lady Kanako even more now.

>>8936633
Always knew she was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Double standards whore.

>>8936610

Well like I said, the link I provided to the site only gives a summary, not an official translation. If it does turn out that it's actually poetry Yoshika writes, then we can almost ensure that you will be correct since I know many have assumed that the Yoshika we see as the Jiyangshi, may be the poet in question (or at least a reference to the poet.)

>>8936623
>Oriental Sacred Place 3 CD?
Here
http://www.mediafire.com/?22n7foauy1otlco

>>8936654
>Well like I said, the link I provided to the site only gives a summary, not an official translation
I know, sorry. My bad.

I guess I was just asking the question to no-one in particular. Still, I'm a bit baffled that she can actually write either way. Or maybe it's just unreadable squiggles. That makes it even more unsettling.

>>8936414
Okay look, guy. You started this, so I guess I'll oblige. Here's my arguments for you.

Just as WaHH chapter 9 mentioned, the original form of youkai was "the terrifying, the mysterious, the inexplicable. That sort of thing." The youkai of Gensokyo are (in most cases) different; they're more like eccentric people than what humans would brand "monsters" and exterminate en masse.

And, this change is not necessarily a good thing. As Reimu said on the very next page, the role of youkai is to be feared by humans. This is backed up by what was said in Perfect Memento, too. Youkai that don't act according to their role just might disappear, as you've seen in Kyouko's SoPM article. Of course, since "youkai" is more like the "others" category of species (as said in the PMiSS article on Youkai), there are many differences among them, and not all of them probably have the role of being feared (take Hina, for example. SoPM states that she is a youkai, but that she would be fine as long as she has collected enough misfortune, which she uses as a power source).

Just as you can see in present-day Gensokyo, youkai certainly do have the capacity to not be monsters, but in the ancient past, few saw this, and humans who exterminated the particularly feared ones were treated as legends. Just look at Murasa's original profile, for a good example: she went around sinking all the ships that tried to sail in the ocean she haunted, and was meant to be exterminated, by Byakuren saved her instead. She also let the humans who traveled with her to exterminate Murasa, drown in the ocean.

>>8936676
(cont'd)
Yes, Gensokyo has a whole lot of grimdark behind it. It shouldn't be a huge surprise for any of you guys. But unfortunately, since almost nobody bothered to understand the youkai, they were all exterminated and driven out. This is why they are not seen in the outside world. Gensokyo is one of the places of refuge, where youkai live in seclusion.

And hey, all that grimdark stuff isn't quite gone yet either. Just look at what ZUN said about Kisume recently, in the SoPM interview. A lot of the especially hated youkai were sealed underground, and as you can see by various threat/friendship levels, there is also the trend of them being less friendly. Again, not that you could blame them. Many of them were sealed just because they had powers that were considered a threat, and they've been stuck down there all this time.

But remember how I mentioned that it's a problem if the youkai don't fulfill their role? Well, as PMiSS said, the cycle of Incident -> Extermination now continues only in name. And because of that... Just as it was said in Reimu's PMiSS article, where it mentioned the Vampire Incident, many youkai became depressed. They were having to find food outside of their usual sources, they were being forgotten, etc. And guess what? The reason the Oni went underground, is because they were displeased with all of this:
>Just as few humans were trying to exterminate them, they were none too pleased with the way in which the world of Gensokyo had become so carefree, and they simply went to a different world.
It would be strange to think that they changed very much, considering such things.

>>8936679
(cont'd)
Heck, even Eiki does not consider it wrong for a youkai to attack a human. What she considers wrong is for them to not fulfill their role. For example, Yuuka, who is fine with pretty much any target. Well, Eiki wouldn't lie:
>Whether it be humans or youkai, or ghost or fairies, you've attacked them. Without much reason, as well.

Of course, it's not necessary for youkai to kill humans, as long as they are feared. That's how the "continues only in name" system is supposed to work. But the fact still remains that humans taste especially good to them, so as you can see in the TH7 prologue, many youkai leave Gensokyo to grab a human from the outside world, and they make it look like an accident. But, it isn't as though they even have that tie of being of the same species, and they're just doing it to eat. Humans do much worse to animals.

The point I'm trying to make is that there's just a lot of "gray morality" here. It usually is not black or white. And, humans are usually some shade of gray too, but they tend to mistake gray for black, and that's where the problem started in the first place. Humans decided they were monsters, so that's why they ended up having that role in the first place. But I doubt anyone can see any black in things like the idea of "kill or be killed." Just look at this excerpt from Dolls in Pseudo Paradise:

>"Youkai? You've got to be kidding." But, I know. That the youkai would live in peace if the humans would let them. That youkai are more peaceful and pragmatic than humans.

I can see where Byakuren is coming from. I'm sure it was very sad for her when she understood that this place called Gensokyo, where humans and youkai were finally able to coexist, was a mere hiding place. The peaceful resolution that she desired, was trashed by the humans who could only see their fear.

Will Miko be often attacked by youkai? You know, hermits are constantly the target of a great number of youkai, because of how delicious their meat is, and usually youkai can ascend to higher levels just by eating a hermit's corpse. So doesn't that mean that some of Byakuren's Youkai will attack her, leading to a possible war?

>>8936663
I wanted it in better quality and with the cover, but it is better than nothing. Thanks.

>>8936728
I think almost the whole Taoist faction will be attacked, since they are all hermits.

For Byakuren's youkai attacking, I don't know how much of a restraint Byakuren had put on them, or even letting them go around attacking people. Byakuren is about peace, but now with her recent personality shown I'm not too sure about that.

>>8936679
>This is why they are not seen in the outside world.
>Gensokyo is one of the places of refuge, where youkai live in seclusion.

From PCB:
>Because of the youkai's civilization of magic, the youkai grew to be powerful enough to freely open even the Great Barrier sealing Gensokyo.

From PMiSS:
>From my perspective, the power of today's youkai has not weakened; on the contrary, it's too much for the small area that is Gensokyo.

They can live in the outside world (at least the strong ones can). They all choose to live in Gensokyo because they like it. Akyu even said at one point that they could invade and conquer the outside world, but choose not to do so because they are satisfied with their lives.

And they still regularly kill and eat people from the outside world.

>>8936761
Also remember that Yukari taught youkai of gensokyo that invading and conquering territories is a very bad idea ( failed invasion against the Lunarians)

>>8936761
>Akyu even said at one point that they could invade and conquer the outside world, but choose not to do so because they are satisfied with their lives.
I'd like to request the source article for this.

>>8936784

I'm pretty sure it was in that big monologue at the end of PMiSS.

>>8936715
>I can see where Byakuren is coming from. I'm sure it was very sad for her when she understood that this place called Gensokyo, where humans and youkai were finally able to coexist, was a mere hiding place. The peaceful resolution that she desired, was trashed by the humans who could only see their fear.

Oh yes. Right. See the Murasa example. Murasa haunts an ocean, sinking every ship that sails it, killing DOZENS if not more people. Finally humans decide they can't have that, that it's too dangerous, that Murasa's killed too many of them. They sail out to exterminate her, ONE youkai that has murdered many.

So what does Byakuren do? Sinks the humans' ship, takes the monster in instead. PEACEFUL AS FUCK.

>>8936761
I wonder how much of the outside world Gensokyo even knows about. Some of the more local youkai at least.

I wonder if they think outside world they only think about Japan and I wonder in their forays if they have ever seen a modern military or even know of them.

Anyone actually enjoyed Koishi's theme? I think it's not really different from the original, but it has it's own flavor.

>>8936794
She gives off this impression of one of those crazy animal rights activists now.

>>8936774

That was Lunar Capital though.

If Gensokyo youkai invaded the outside world I'm pretty sure it would look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9Qe3vmKIo

Or that Byakuren goes to war episode of Koishi's adventure.

>>8936807
everyone enjoyed it. It's like if you could trance in SA.

Byakuren might have noble motives in wanting the youkai to coexist equally and peacefully with humans, but her actions give more the impression that she is just full of double standards

>>8936794
Indeed.

>Now that you mention it, another hermit I know also lives in a place that's hard to get to.
Kasen confirmed for appearing in the next game.

Wanting youkai and humans to coexist is what she says, I'm sure deep inside she stills has some hatred for humans for sealing her.

>The humans in Gensokyo exist for no further purpose than to preserve the youkai

This is the line that keeps getting to me. Byakuren sounds like she wanted humans to be around so that youkai can be around. She's just holding back from attacking humans because of youkai..

>>8936794
Stop living in the past.
And Byakuren doesn't sink the ship, she just doesn't help it. There's a difference.

>>8936822
Heaven forbid someone thinks about two things differently

>>8936812
With humans at the winning side, right?

衛星トリフネ and 天鳥船神社の結界 are good
Guitars confirmed for TH14

>>8936841
>This is the line that keeps getting to me.

Why? She's just stating an obvious fact.

Apparently Shou shoots gamma ray lasers. That seems a little, uh, dangerous.

>Murasa sinks Komachi's boat
What an ass.

>>8936900
>Guitars confirmed for TH14

Guitars, you say?

>>8936841
>I'm sure deep inside she stills has some hatred for humans for sealing her.

Heaven forbid you actually have trouble getting over the fact that you were sealed for a thousand years and had nothing to do that whole time.

And despite that, she sets up her temple near the Human Village. That looks like to me that she still thinks they can change.

It's said that Yoshika randomly attacks people, but also that if you remove the ofuda from her head she reverts back to her personality when she was living. Does that mean that without the ofuda Yoshika is peaceful?

By the way, is the ofuda vital to keep her from falling apart or it's just for Seiga to control her?

>>8936900
>Guitars confirmed for TH14

Guitars, you say?

>>8936936
Indeed. If the fighting game fluff is to be believed Hell has funding shortage as it is.

>>8934851
Sigh. They sound like shit to you because your speakers are shit.

Guys, guys, think about it. The revelations up until now all but points to a possibility of an all out war. Tensions are high, frictions everywhere, you could even say that it's inevitable. And soon enough, war will break loose in Gensokyo between the three major factions. In fact, the next Touhou game will be precisely this; a Phantasmagoria game where the three factions are all duking it out with each other.

And then who will be powerful enough to stop them? Who will be able to save Gensokyo? That's right, it's all been planned from the start, only she is powerful enough to do it.

CAN YOU FEEL IT IN YOUR BONES?

I'm not gonna whine like some other fags because ZUN doesn't use ``modern" synths. I like his music better that way.

Just because the samples sound more ``natural" doesn't make the music better. And there's plenty of dynamics in his compositions and performance.

I'm looking for lossless rips of TGA and the OSP CD3, anyone got a link ?

>Akyuu says Kanako uses Suwako's ability as a threat to gain faith.
Moriya Shrine confirmed for Yakuza. In the end, all three of them are jerks.

>>8936999
That is seemingly the message that's coming out so far. None of them really have a moral high ground

>>8936774
>Also remember that Yukari taught youkai of gensokyo that invading and conquering territories is a very bad idea ( failed invasion against the Lunarians)
Just like how Napoleon taught his troops that invading Russia in winter is a bad idea... Not.

>>8936948

A jiangshi is still a jiangshi with or without the ofuda. More or less without the ofuda, she'll just start acting on her old habits of writing poetry or music. Since based on Seiga's info, the ofuda's Seiga uses is like a set of instructions the jiangshi follows. It's her way of making her undead companion do more than just write poetry.

In either case though, she would likely attack you if she notices you are present.

>>8936794
It looks like you don't quite get it, so I'll explain the situation to you.

First of all, Murasa was trying to become a youkai so that she could get the power necessary to escape the ocean she was bound to. She wasn't doing it because "lol, let's just kill all the humans" or whatever.

Now, what we've got is several humans on a boat who want you to exterminate Murasa, and if they were to see that you're saving Murasa instead, they would report it and you would be branded a heretic and guess what? You just might get sealed away for a thousand years, or just outright killed.

In this situation, do you think you can keep both Murasa and the humans alive? You just try reaching a peaceful resolution to this, and tell me how it works for you.

And what, do you think those humans are innocent? Why would they even be going on the trip, unless they're experienced with extermination? How many youkai do you think they've killed?

I don't think you quite understand that this was a war, where everyone was trying to survive. Everyone that can fight has blood on their hands. Obviously, even Byakuren has killed people or let them die before. If she didn't, she wouldn't have lasted as long as she did.

But this war didn't have to happen. So we have one person who actually wants to reach a resolution that doesn't end in one or both sides being slaughtered. And newsflash, youkai are on the losing side.

What are you gonna do?

>>8936948
I don't think that means she is peaceful, but she might revert to some habits, without being aware of what she's doing?

But we don't know for sure yet, until her parts are fully translated.

Which Touhou has the best ass pussy?

>>8937018
But that's like choosing to save a nigger at the cost of letting the rest of your squad die a horrible death.

>>8936320

>Kanako's appearance is dashing and eye-catching. It's meant to pressure her opponents apparently.

That one fanfic where Kanako planned Reimu's death by cancer and crushes Marisa's spine just with her presence confirmed for canon.

>>8937018
That's a good point, but constructing a shrine just to prevent a rival religion to ressurect is not cool at all. Miko has such a kind heart, and Byakuren actually disrespected her own religious beliefs. If anything, I would choose Kanako and Miko, leaving Byakuren to rot, like she deserves. Youkai are already in power on Gensokyo, we don't need more power of them over the humans anymore.

All this talk about Byakuren, and the article about Miko still is left untranslated on the wiki.

>>8937032
They weren't really her squad in the first place.

Besides, they were useless as fuck and were going to die anyway - if they'd actually managed to destroy Murasa they wouldn't have been sunk in the first place. Useless ass-twats.

>>8937035
Remember that Kanako helped built the temple. I would assume that she knows full well what's going on on that ground. Miko isn't liked all that much by anyone, apparently.

>>8937032

>>>/b/

>>8937038
I'm warmly waiting for it, if I could pick a side, I would surely stand with Miko.

>>8937033
What fanfic is this? I'm interested.

>>8937046
Apparently, it's not Miko is unliked, but rather that she is way too noble and saintly for people to relate to her. She seems something completely out of your reach.

Ssssshit, now I can't bloody wait to see future Touhou official media after reading the discussions

>>8937035
You understand that what you're doing is the same as what Byakuren was doing:

So maybe you want equality, but currently one side has the advantage. Which side are you gonna take? Well, the winning side obviously doesn't need your help.

So, who else thinks that Futo and Mokou have crossed paths somewhere in the past?

Monobe's eboshi and Mokou's pants are both clothing from feudal Japan, and their clans have ties in some way.

>>8937060
Youkai a shit
Human pride worldwide

>>8937018
Humans who drown are supposed to die. If they become vengeful ghosts, etc. , exterminate them and let them rest in peace. Maybe they even return to the circle of life? I don't think that's explained.

You make this out to be war, but in which war do you switch sides when you die? I'm sure Murasa didn't care about other youkai when she was down there.

>>8937066
Mokou is the grandchild of one of the royal clan heads that lived at the same time as Futo, Tojiko and Miko.

He was killed by Tojiko's basis, and it's from that incident that her powers are based on.

>>8937066

It's likely that all the Touhous of noble background are at least aware of the other clans.

>>8937066
The Fujiwara clan has actually interaction with the Mononobe and Soga clans..

>In the footnotes, Akyuu relates this to how Jesus was also said to be born in a stable.
Interesting. Gensokyo was formed before the introduction of Christianity in Japan, right? So how did Akyuu know this bit? Francis Xavier as a touhou, anyone?

>>8937074

>hers
Who? Mokou's, or Mononobe's?
Sorry, I'm not following. Please elaborate.

>>8936978

>And then who will be powerful enough to stop them? Who will be able to save Gensokyo? That's right, it's all been planned from the start, only she is powerful enough to do it.

Yuuka

>>8937080
Christianity in Japan dates back to 1549. Gensokyo's barrier was created in 1885?

>>8937089
Tojiko.

Assuming that in Touhou canon, Tojiko is Soga no Umako; Mokou's grandfather was her enemy, and he died as he was struck by thunder. It was believed that this was a curse cast upon him by his enemy. So basically, Tojiko's powers isn't to summon thunder but the ability to cast curses that summon thunder?

>>8936978

>>8937070
It's also the case that killing gets you an assload of negative karma, so if Murasa ended up "resting in peace" at that moment, she would have been put in Hell for some ridiculous number of years. Just so you know, Avici is something like 10^18 years of nothing but suffering.

If anything, those Yama guys are the ones in the wrong, if they think anyone deserves that.

>>8937054

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7022541/1/Touhou_Death_Files_Reimu_Hakurei

>>8936978
Alice.

After you better the game with everyone, Alice is unlocked and well, she's kind pissed off. You see, during the fighting, the Forest gets seriously messed up and she says enough is enough and beats the shit out of everyone else. Gensoukyo ends up worshiping her Returns Gensoukyo back to the Hakurei Shrine and tells everyone else not to start shit again

>>8937115
>better the game
beating the game

I'm curious as to what the Nazrin summary says about her power. she managed to identify buried miko as something great so does this mean she can actually evaluate the worth of a person?

I want a book listing all touhous, what items they own and how much they are worth in yen.

>>8937092
Eh, really? I thought it was older than that.

>>8937118

Fuck you, THIS shit here is what the next Touhou book should be.

>>8936978

Isn't Yukari the most powerful youkai?

>>8937115
Replace Alice with Mima and you're golden.

>>8937122
No.

>>8937118
Then use them to bargain for the prices of Toho figures?

>>8937128
Fuck you.

>>8937125
Fuck you too.

>>8937124
Holyshit, fund it

>>8937136
Mima is trapped in Alice's grimoire. Deal with it.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Part_1

>Kanako: The moment that humans realized that the vastness of space was beyond their ability to control, they started to convince themselves that there must be aliens somewhere out there. Even though nobody's confirmed such a thing. It's comical, how rationalism suddenly turns to mysticism when it goes too far.

For some reason, she wins my respect. I dunno why but it seems what she speak seems legit

>>8937141
The last time we saw Mima, she was making Alice serve her as a temporary personal maid, as a victory condition for the Extra stage battle.

Deal with it.

Every powerful shit in Gensokyo is sealed in Alice's grimoire. She'll open it and Gensokyo explodes with power and Alice becomes king

I rather preferred it when more things were left open for interpretation.

>>8937150
I rather preferred it when I was fucking your mum

>>8937146
That never happened.

>>8937150
Which things in particular?

>>8937150
I for one welcome ZUN's mighty hammer strikes against the fanon.

>>8937155
It makes for wonderful controversy. The battle of youkai vs. humans and the morality involved continues on even in debates here.

Though, the human side doesn't seem to have posted many arguments... Come on, this is fun to read, so keep it up!

>>8937155
Joke's on you my favorite Touhou isn't in it.

>>8937161
Mine isn't either, but I'd like her to be.

>>8937161
Let me guess, you're a SDM faggot?

>>8937164
Mine isn't either...

In fact, neither of my favorites are in it.

>>8937167
Nope.

>>8937164
Honestly, I never thought I'd be glad they weren't in, but given the shit a lot of characters have been getting (Kisume, Nitori, Satori, Koishi...) I'm actually ok with it.

>>8936978
I'd like it better if Mima was nowhere to be found, while Shinki makes a glorious comeback and aids Byakurens faction.

>>8937118
Nazrin confirmed for power-level confirmer?

>>8937174
Why would Shinki aid someone who was sealed away in a forgotten corner of Makai?

>>8937180
Because she obviously taught Byakuren Devil's Recitation, so that means there's some connection between them anyway. I'm sure they're good friends.

>>8937167
His favorite Touhou is Hatate.

All this talk about which faction is right, good, whatever. Truly the only correct answer is to side with the Hakurei Shrine.

Everyone is so hung up on the details, power struggles and all, vying for domination, that they'd end up scaring away all the people (humans, at the very least). And then everyone will turn to the Hakurei Shrine for harmony, peace and protection.

Reimu will somehow resolve this incident (relatively) peacefully and in the process, everyone will finally realize again the importance of the Hakurei Miko. Finally, the shrine will flourish with worshipers thereby signalling the end of the Touhou series. Genius.

>>8937180
All he said is based on the spellcard Byakuren uses. Devil Recitation, the spell that Shinki used when attacks didn't have names.

>>8937150
You mean they aren't now? Look at this and the previous thread, they're full of speculation over speculation.

>>8937193
Reimu marries, gets pregnant, becomes too old to play danmaku.
~Fin

>>8937197
Don't worry, her daughter will take up the mantle.

TOUHOU PROJECT 2: NEXT GENERATIONS.

>>8937193
Yeah, unfortunately, it really feels like Touhou might end this time. Everything is appointing this. ZUN can just get Miko, Kanako, Byakuren, Kasen and find other 2 characters can you feel it in your bones? and end the Touhou series with a gran finale. ;_;

>>8937205
Best part is that it's written by ZUN's son

>>8937193
I can't stop vomiting

>>8937179

I don't think so.
it also makes no sense that she identified miko as a great treasure considering she ended up in gensokyo because no one believed she existed, as kanako suggested

so I guess value of the people she identifies has nothing to do with faith

it's also unlikely that miko had any treasure sinse she is a hermit

it's interesting at any rate.

>>8937209
Yeah, I know. Her powers are probably more vague than that.

Having heard little leaks here and there, Nazrin's profile is one of the profiles I'm looking forward the most to reading. She also seems to be one of the characters who might turn out to be a different than I expected. So far I feel like I have made pretty good "guesses" about characters' natures, but Nazrin might be different.

Nue is another one I also want to read a lot. Her role in TD has made my impression of her mixed. I didn't see her as the sort of person who'd be so easily attached to someone, or take someone else's side if it didn't directly profit her.

Reimu is going to use Fantasy Heaven and destroy all of Gensokyo where the barrier breaks and now Gensokyo youkai have a fight to the death against the real world. Religious factions nothing, now they must team up to fight America or whatever

>>8937229
Yes, Nazrin is actually distant from the group, form what I've heard, and I want to have a look at Nue's and Mamizou's friendship, i.e. if they have the "bro" kind of relationship or yuri(!)

>>8937233
Coming to a theater near you this summer!

>>8937241
Nazrin only really answers to Shou.

>Unzan was a typical human-eating mikoshi-nyuudou before he met Ichirin. He decided to stay by her side and protect her for his entire life after she convincingly defeated him
This.... somehow this sounds incredibly epic. I never cared about those two much (in fact I sometimes forgot that Ichirin even exists), but this seems like a really awesome story. Someone should seriously draw this into a manga.

>>8937252
How did she beat Unzan? How can anyone beat Unzan?

>>8937252
What the hell is the deal with Ichirin, anyway?
It says the she eventually got transformed with youkai because Unzan was constantly with her, how does that work?
Also, what kind of youkai she is?

>>8937260
Nuns are badass. Didn't you know that?

>>8937241
>yuri
fuck off and die, scum

\\Ichri~in//

>>8937252
I believed in my heart that one day she would get a backstory.

where is my maribel renko's story?

>>8937252
I love Ichirin and reading this made me so happy. I always thought that she can control Unzan because she is stronger than him, instead of her being useless without him/just his hitbox. So yeah, she's fucking awesome.

>>8937204
I find it hard to believe that ZUN is making so much money he can afford to ever stop Touhou Project.
He just got married, that probably means kids are going to be coming in the next few years. His wife probably won't be working and children are expensive. He has every reason to keep on making Touhou works.
And probably once ZUN actually has kids of his own and gets some first hand parenting experience, then his characters will start having kids.

>>8937263
If you attack people with a youkai, that's kind of like being one yourself.

>>8937321
That would completely rape the mind of yurifags. And I pretty much prefer it that way.

>>8937321
Adult Reimu and Marisa FTW

>>8937321
Riots in the streets, cars being burned, molotov cocktails, etc.

>>8937321
I hope he's prepared to having insane otakus kidnapping his wife and raping his daughter,

>>8937252
The relationship between Ichirin and Unzan seems to be very, very close. Closer than close. A story about their backstory would be very, very awesome.

>>8937366
No rape, just tons and tons of cosplays as Touhous

>>8937350
I know what you mean. It's bad enough that he got married.

>>8937321
The only REAL danger to the franchise from the changes in his life is that he, rather than stopping the franchise, will make the sell-out that he has for so long resisted and sign a deal with one of the console game manufacturers and make mass market games using the Touhou characters and universe.
He would certainly become a wealthy man that way, but the people who he sold to would have to try and recoup the investment. So there would still be Touhou product for many years- just probably not a kind of Touhou product that most /jp/-ers would approve of.

Anyone else kind of irked that he STILL didn't explain if Okuu's third eye is a part of her or just a costume orniment...

In terms of the 3 new powers, which ones give the benefits that you would be most interested in?

Kanako's side doesn't seem like it has much to offer. Suwako in particular is interesting, but it looks like she herself isn't really interested in anything at all, and so she mostly just sits around the shrine. They can give blessings, and they can give curses, but that's about it. As long as you don't cross them, there's no reason to take their side.

Byakuren's side has more to offer, what with enlightenment and Nirvana and whatnot. Heck, achieving Nirvana is one of the main two ways of getting into Heaven. Not that I'd want to go to Heaven... And Buddhism is just too peaceful for me.

Last but not least is Miko, who has all the cool stuff with her hermit arts and offering a chance to potentially become immortal (the other of the main 2 ways to get into Heaven, incidentally). Immortality sounds great, and she can apparently create her own dimension with ease using those hermit arts (where do you think she lives?). Not only that, but the dimension in question is connected to pretty much everywhere, so by entering and leaving it, she can get places just about as fast as Yukari can.

Miko's ideals are the least compatible with mine... But if it came down to it, I'd definitely join her side.

>>8937428
Kanako & Suwako
Take it relatively easy.

>>8937428
byakuren is a youkai lover and doesnt care about humans
>she's strayed from the path of Mahayana Buddhism and possesses demonic power. Most likely she won't be able to enter Nirvana.

hermit = no fun allowed

>>8937428
>Byakuren's side has more to offer, what with enlightenment and Nirvana and whatnot.
It's all a scam.

>>8937454
Who cares about fun? Living a dangerous life by having to exterminate many youkai and battle shinigami thenselves is way more interesting.

>>8937417
I can see it now.

Brown and bloom strawberry jelly all over screen regenerating health cover shooter with achievements!

>>8937463
that's not what hermits do

>>8937428
>Kanako's side doesn't seem like it has much to offer

Electricity

>>8937474
Tojiko

>While it may be filled with youkai, those youkai are more honest than humans. Just as humans can become hermits and celestials, youkai can become gods and Buddhas.

So a God in Gensokyo is comparable to a Hermit human?

That brought me closer to being with Kanako, but a bit farther down from hearing she is friendly with humans. I always pictured Kanako as a domineering person who would step on me and make me her servant.

>>8937454
What do you mean "no fun allowed"? What am I not allowed to do if I become a hermit?

Also, I don't really care about Nirvana anyway, as I already said. But maybe it would be nice to learn magic like what she's got.

>>8937463
I thought they only have to fend off attacks from youkai? Surely they don't need to exterminate them?

As for the shinigami, well fuck them. If someone tries to kill me, I don't care who they are. Of course, it'll be hard to learn the arts necessary to beat them up, but if I can manage it, then there's no problem.

>>8937482
Yeah I know on the back of all my appliances it says "120V AC, or thunderbolts from a ghost lady"

>>8937428
Really comes down to which one's undergarments you'd rather masturbate with

Yea I'll agree being hermits would allow for some shinigami battles every now and then, there would be no business relations-related from Kanako's, nor that too-peaceful life of Byakuren's.

>>8937486
Remember that the japanese have gods even for brdiges or mountains. A youkai can achieve divine status if it is worshipped and fairly powerful.

>>8937536
When you say "god", you mean kami. A kami can reside in anything.

I wonder what the difference is between the lifestyles of hermits who follow Shuugyoku (the hermits described in PMiSS) and the lifestyles of the hermits who follow Taoism.

As far as I know, both get superpowers and live for a long time, and have to fight off shinigami, but I doubt the Taoists have to recite sutras every day.

And hey, even though Seiga has a "bad personality" she didn't become a "wicked hermit" until she started making jiang shi, so it can't be that hard to avoid becoming one of them.

Which of the three is more hedonistic?
Who will allow me to just take it easy all day, then when I have troubles will pat my head and tell me its okay?

So, about this whole faction wars, is this more or less correct?:

Buddhists: "Gensokyo is for youkais, humans are only here for preserving youkais."

Shinto: ""Gensokyo is for youkais, but we can improve it for humans as well."

And Taoists are either for a Gensokyo for humans, or an equal Gensokyo, but they are more revolutionary than the other 2 factions? Willing to exterminate the youkais who disagree and such.

>>8937603
>then when I have troubles will pat my head and tell me its okay?

How does that solve any problems?

>>8937616
My problem would probably be feeling lonely or uncomfortable because of a leg sprain or headache, so it would be for the best if I could lay my head on whomsoever's lap while I have my hair ruffled with until I get better.

>>8937615
>youkais
no plural s please. Thank you.

>>8937615
The Buddhists do not frown on improving life for humans as well. What they frown on, is the humans who may decide to take over and drive out or exterminate everyone who disagrees with them.

In fact, both Kanako and Byakuren agree that the humans should not have a leader for this reason.

To be honest, Byakuren's philosophy isn't that different from Kanako's, it's just that she has a more "liberal" so to speak perspective on things, and her methods are different.

Of all the Buddhists, the Gensokyo gets those Mahayanese heretics.

>>8937634
It says somewhere (PMiSS, IN (Keine?) ? ) that the human village is protected by youkai, but wouldn't it be weird if the human village did not have a human leader? A village elder or someone like that. Blindly depending on youkai (and that one shrine maiden) doesn't sound like a good idea.

>>8937652
Just like the rest of the world except a couple of countries in Southeast Asia with names that nobody remembers.

That said, Byakuren is a shitty Mahayanist by any standard.

>>8937652
Akyuu claims she's Mahayana, but I don't really know. I mean, her brother was Shingon. That's why I don't get it.

Not that it really matters, I guess. Byakuren is a priestess for Bishamonten. The fucking god of War. And she's got the avatar for the guy living with her. And she's got Ichirin as well, who now has one of the most amazing backstories ever. And Murasa was already awesome.