/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Hosting for about fourty minutes to an hour

76.178.135.113:10800
West Coast USA, NA and especially west coasters preferred
Seven colored tier

Bumping by saying that I'll finally have a proper connection so I can play with you bros, and beat you to pulps! I'm actually shit at this game, but it's fun as fuck

Any tips for playing Remilia?

>>8894740

None that would be useful, beyond the simplest of basics, sadly. I haven't played Remilia since I was first practicing this game

Best I can say is that your crossups are something to be feared. Abuse that 6D 2A for all it's worth. It's really awkward fighting her as Alice because she's so good at slipping around Alice's effective melee range

Still hosting, by the way, at >>8894729

>>8894740
I don't play with her, all I know is: don't spam 22B/C, don't keep using bullets as not just coverage for you to get close, and crossups all the way

Good games, Johan. To be honest, it really annoys me that you switch characters every match. I really don't get to learn why I lose so much

It also helps that you're way better than me and my assfrustration is causing me to fuck up on the simplest of combos

I don't suppose you have any tips? A 30% winrate is quite unseemly of /jp/'s resident Alice player

Also, does anyone know why Tensokukan wouldn't be recording my games? I have the latest version of English edition UNL and I can't get this darn thing working

>>8895463
GGs Honshu
I switch so much to learn your playing style faster and i also play all chars, so after some matches i was able to counter most of your game and defeat you without much effort. Its quite simple so dont relay only on corner and pressure, you need to learn to fight in mid too, so you dont have to run all day.

Try more crossup combos instead of only counters because after a while its turns easy to block and punish.

Check your tenco version if you are using 1.10a

>>8895557
>Try more crossup combos instead of only counters because after a while its turns easy to block and punish.

Erg. Crossups on Alice. Well, I guess it's worth a shot, but to be honest they scare the shit out of me because her melee is so garbage. It's punishable, she will only realistically be able to hit down, and it requires absurdly precise spacing

I'll have to start trying to incorporate more crossups, I guess. Her attacks are too punishable to play the guessing game with counters forever

>>8895648
>her melee is so garbage. It's punishable
She has the best zoning melee what are you talking about? a HJ9 j2A will stop anything charging at you 99% of the time and it's not punishable.

>>8895683

Yes, if a stupid opponent does nothing but charge you head on, her melee is good. If, on the other hand, they use crossups, danmaku cover, or simple fakeouts into more danmaku, you will quickly realize how much that delay on a missed 6A hurts her

I'll have to incorporate hj9 j2A into my game more. Usually I use hj7 j2A, and all it's good for is countering people dashing at you who don't decide to smash her with their own hj melee

>>8895742
Yeah but also alice 66A is one of the fastest moves in the game. overall you should use only 6 melee attacks mainly.
5A, f5A j2A j8A 66A 2A

>>8895763

Why is 3A not on your list? It's her opener for like half her combos. Its main weakness is that it tries to fool you into thinking it's good for anti-air, but as soon as you realize that it's horrible for that and should only be used with 2A and punishing a bad crossup from an enemy, it's actually a pretty useful move

I'd sell my left testicle for it to just come out faster, though. I swear I see my life flashing before my eyes every time an enemy just goes soaring over it

Also, are you sure 66A is actually, like, good? Because I swear it seems to be punishable on block and it loses to most other melee anyway. Maybe I'm just spacing it wrong or it's delay talking or something, but it always seems way too risky to use

Friendly reminder that Marisa's forward attack proves she has the best badonkadonk

>>8895801
I don't use Alice, but those are the movements that stop me from cornering her like a rat.

>>8894729

Still hosting? I'm getting a failed to connect

>>8895828

Oh sorry, not hosting atm. Just discussing Alice while finishing a birthday card for my dad before I drive up to my parent's house [/blog]

Maybe we'll get some time in for playing later tonight, Anon! I still need to see if Tensokukan is working after I tried just doing a fresh reinstall of it~

>>8895833

Ok, that's cool. Hope I'll be on around then, I love playing with other on west coast

>>8895839
I'm a noob who's willing to play, can host?

174.6.132.72:10800
West Coast NA
Bottom tier.

138.16.23.19:10800 EC US
rabbits everywhere tier

>>8896483

sorry but hidamari marathon
also nice reisen you got\
sorry not to be much of a challenge but i just got out of some rain

>>8896584
Ah, GGs then.

Rehosting at:
>>8896483

>>8896592
GGs for now, have to run

>>8896699
A'ight, thanks for the games.

What's a good character for newbies?

>>8898517
Marisa is the character with the lowest learning curve but you can try them all until you find the one that suits your taste

>>8898523
I checked some youtube clips and I found Marisa, Sakuya and Patchouli likeable as playable characters.

Glad Marisa had a low learning curve then.

129.21.65.249:10800
NE United States

I'll be hosting until around Noon.

77.233.107.9:10800
West Europe
justimprovedmyReisen-tier

Thanks for the games T; you kicked my ass, but it was fun.

>>8898919
Thanks for the games, JTechwire. Time to shower and prepare for the day ahead~

>>8898779
Good games, it started to lag in the end and I have to leave too.

>>8898930
Yep, I saw that,
Good games, but I have to say that I really hate your Yukari...

>>8898931
Spin for win! everyone does, ever played against magister?

>>8898934
Never, but his name reminds me something.

Playing around and learning Marisa. So I guess she's the "stay away and fire" kind of character. Except the hilarious buttstomp attack which I really good for executing combos.

>>8899030
I think she feels more like a "hit and run", but all characters can be played differently

>>8899061
Yeah, exactly that, buttstomp in, combo away then back off while spamming lasers and stars. Repeat etc.

She's easy enough yet very fun to play. Time to try out Sakuya.

>>8899030
Nah, she's better at midrange, coming in and out of melee range with bullet cover and ass-and-broom attacks.

>>8899067
Sakuya's awesome. Too bad her alt skillcards are in general mediocre...

>>8899071
Any other good characters for beginners?
right now I'm mostly playing my favorite 2hus

>>8899067
never try using her butt throw unless you are opretty certain you will hit, it's very punishable and pretty much gives your opponent a free dial A combo.

>>8899081
You can cancel it into broomdash on block, yo. That's still not perfectly safe, but it is a lot better.

>>8899078
I started with Youmu (naturally). I'd say it was a good choice to start out with, since she's pretty straightforward, but expect to get your ass kicked while you learn the basics of cqc.
Also, I'm really bad with her in comparison to most other people now... ;_;

>>8899088
j5a j5a j5a j5a j5a j5a j5a j5a j5a j5a

>>8899102
SC

>>8899078
Sakuya

>>8899114
Is it only me but Sakuya feels extremely weak and her spell cards are shit compared to Marisa and Reimu

>>8899121
Sakuya power resides on Guard crushing and pressure, aside from being the most broken character along with Remilia and Yuyuko, though both of those need more skill to play.

S: Sakuya, Remilia, Yuyuko
A+: Reisen, Iku
A: Aya
B+: Marisa, Patchouli, Tenshi, Alice, Yukari
B: Youmu, Suika, Reimu
C: Sanae, Cirno, China
D: Okuu, Komachi, Suwako

>>8899121
With right setting Sakuya can give much pressure.
After all danmaku is all about brain, not fire power

173.3.168.226:7501

Hosting. Hoping I don't crash.

>>8899150
Oh wow, so Okuu is D tier? I guess tiers don't mean shit if you're bad at videogames after all.

>>8899328

She's one of the slowest characters. In the majority of fighting games, lack of speed almost always leads to characters getting ranked lowest in tiers.

>>8899328
She's S tier in netplay lag.

>>8899121
>her spell cards are shit compared to... Reimu
Honestly I can't even begin to imagine where you get this idea.

Her spell cards aren't the best, to be sure, but they definitely have their uses. Momentum gain, long-range punish, a reversal (that apparently doesn't fucking reverse bullets, but I digress), and faceroll 66B hitconfirms for -everything-.

What do you guys think of Marisa and Patchouli?

Marisa seems to be an all-rounder but has swiftness to her advantage
Patchouli has great shutdown but quite slow in movement.

>>8899361
Well, since I use both, I can help you a bit here.
Marisa play is based on the pressure, her blockstring are pretty good and one of her most important attributes is her guardcrush thanks to A3 and A6. Also her long hitstun danmaku can help quite a bit on keeping your momentum.
Patchouli on other side is to be played with calm and patience, more aligned to punishing wrong moves than pressuring your opponent, though her danmaku is arguably the best in the game, she lacks physical attack, thus, it's necessary to maintain a good zoning. I would say they are equal, though it's much easier to play Patchy for a noob due to obvious reason like 5C.

>>8899361
Patchy is great in neutral position and at staying out of range but if you fuck up once it's hard for her to get out again.
Her pressure is nothing to fear up close because of her shitty normals but if you manage to keep your opponent down with some wakeup shenanigans she can crush your orbs in a second. Never block a charged 4B up close.

I think that's enough rape from China today. You just won't give me a breather and I keep failing and spam bombs instead of broom. Oh well, nice airplay/wallrape from you

>>8899496
GGs. Just block a bit more. Actually a lot more. I was going pretty easy because I was practicing my spacing, but I'm sorry if I was too aggressive.

Anyone know if you can use custom palletes online? I made a cool one but I don't want to blow up anyone's soku.

>>8899511

You can, it will only affect your game.

>>8899524
Alright thanks.

Hosting again at 173.3.168.226:7500

>>8899150
Isn't Aya a weak character now since all the nerfs she went through?

>>8899552
Still highly technical. A good amount of skill can make up for her 50% damage nerf at least.

70.58.1.239:10800

US west/central, continental divide. Sleep deprivation tier.

>>8899805
Thanks for the games, Thanuris. Rehosting.

>>8900057
>>8899805
I played with you over a month ago.
I don't like you very much.

>>8900102
Why is that.

>>8900057
Thanks for the games, NotYuki. What is your location? That latency unfortunate.

Rehosting: >>8899805

>>8900176
Nice games T, lag is unbearable, might try later on IRC. See ya.

>>8900210
Thanks for the games, Shmoop.
>lag is unbearable
Well, yeah, aren't you EU?

Rehosting: >>8899805

>>8900176
Thank you too, but those lags~
And I'm from Russia.

>>8900219
Yup, I just popped in for a break, studying calculus for more than 2 hours is more unbearable than that lag.

>>8900227
What calculus? I know thousands kinds of it!

98.210.234.72:10800
West Coast US
If you have a pulse and you will destroy me tier

>>8900244
>If you have a pulse you will destroy me tier

self fix

>>8900243
diferential equations with 2 variables.

>>8900244
Urg, that lag was pretty bad...where are you from?

Will rehost in a few minutes

>>8900244
Apparently, I'm a zombie. But thank you.

*>>8900225-th*

yes post your ip for all the world to steal. Genius! DERP! the first photo is like, "IMMA STAB YOU IN THE ASS!!!"

>>8900274
hmm I sense troll

>>8900281
Report and go on.

>>8900219
Thanks for the games, #hisouten. ;_;

>>8899319
Hosting. Might crash any moment tier.

Hosting at >>8894729

Hoping my Tensokukan is working *now* tier

>>8901183
At first I was like "YEAH, I'M IN THERE". And then I wasn't in there at all.

GGs Auric, you remind me of a certain someone, I'm not saying any "names". Thanks for schooling me, as I expected, being pummeled into the ground feels the best after all.

>>8901183
GGs Renee, fun games.

you sometimes let go of block when a string isn't airtight causing you to get hit by a drill. Not sure if you are trying to graze or jump but you can only do one thing at a time. It happens to me sometimes too when I'm indecisive on what to do during a situation.

>>8901333
Yeah pretty much grazing when I see an orb, and jumping in any other case. You hit the nail on the head with the indecisiveness. It was a hard habit to kill especially under your pressure. I guess there is always something new to learn~

Who the hell voted for sunny as worst weather?

What's wrong with sunny?

Is anyone hosting?

>>8901260

Ugh that freaking Alice of yours

Thanks for the games, Ganondorf. My Tensokukan is finally working! It turns out I was using a wrong version or something. I'm glad it's finally fixed

If I may give some advice, you are far too predictably aggressive. I understand that Meiling has a hard time getting in, but your pressure is weak enough that I can escape quite easily, and Meiling is very ill-equipped to fight a decent Alice, due to her multitude of ways of punishing simplistic dash-ins (6A, j2A, thousand spear dolls alt card, 66A and so forth)

In my opinion, your best bet is to practice your pressure much more. Good Meilings can easily make an Alice spend half the match fighting to get out of the corner due to her fairly good melee. Utilize more mindgames with her guard crush attacks

Hosting for a bit longer, same IP as >>8894729

>>8901418

Have you ever tried using BEs to escape corner pressure, Anon?

you end up realizing that you just got out of jail only to be put in a pretty bad spot regardless. :S

>>8901609
Yeah, but it's never been Sunny's fault specifically. Not for me, at least. I can only assume it's the lack of spirit regen after a BE?

Still, it's not worse than River Mist or Typhoon.

Done hosting for tonight, /jp/. I'll see you guys tomorrow

>>8900244
Rehosting

>>8900244
Oh shit sorry....
Rehosting if you're still there

>>8901720

GG, thanks for the games, nice break between working on a project. Was nice to finally find someone relatively close to my level (and by that I mean I can actually take 1 out of every 10 games)

>>8901670
GGs Eric.
Was gonna try for a Suwako mirror before you quit.

>>8900244
Rehosting

>>8901795
GGs Profile.
Nice to be able to take it easy with other chars.

>>8901856
I just changed my name. I downloaded the game a week ago but never got to play it, so seeing the default name was sort of embarrassing

Hosting for a bit. Should be in bed tier.

>>8902370
at
>>8899537

How to play Okuu properly ? ;_;

I keep getting my shit slapped by a friend who mains Suika. I manage to win 1 out of 4 at best.

>>8902406
Press 4a.

Anyone hosting?

70.58.1.239:10800

US west/central, continental divide. (´･ω･`)

>>8904386
>Be gentle.
Thanks for the game. I would normally say to not give up if you want to improve, but we didn't have a good connection, so maybe you'll find someone closer to you~

Rehosting: >>8904386

>>8904386
>>8904434
Why did you post this picture?

>>8904434
Living in in urban shit area does that to you.
Had like 3 seconds delay.

>>8904437
Easy identification, grabs attention, and lets people know I'm hosting.

>>8904441
Where do you live.

I've been having an issue patching Hisoutensoku to 1.10a. It just keeps giving me an error the moment i start up the patch. I know i have the directory to my 12.3 folder properly set up.

Anyone know whats up?

>>8904550
How about you try reading the error.

>>8904631
Except the error is japanese, and unfortunately i can't properly read japanese. i only know a bit

>>8904458
I only had time for one game, sorry.

...Also, that whole thing was retarded in so many ways. I'm gonna actually use the wired connection next time, even if it's only for one game.
:V

>>8904651
Take a screenshot.

>>8904434
Thanks for the games, MyonBUTTINA. Everybody only connecting for a single game today...~

Rehosting: >>8904386

I think it may be the "Could not find th123.exe" error but thats weird because i know i'm selecting the right directory

I think it may be the "Could not find th123.exe" error but thats weird because i know i'm selecting the right directory

>>8904651
Copy the window and paste it into Google translate, that usually gives enough information to point you towards a solution.

>>8904675
>MyonBUTTINA
;_;

>>8904754
Actually, that kinda looks like "you can't have any of these characters in the directory path". So, I guess, if you have any of those characters, then change the path.
But I don't know Japanese, so don't take my word for it.

>>8904779
can't copy it

>>8904675
Ｇｇｓ．．．　Ｉ　ｊｕｓｔ　ｒｅａｌｉｚｅｄ　ｉｍ　２０　ｍｉｎｓ　
ｌａｔｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｓｃｈｏｏｌ．．．

>>8905143
Ｔｈａｎｋｓ ｆｏｒ ｔｈｅ ｇａｍｅｓ， 俺は誰も〜

>>8904925
Eh? Why not? You usually can copy message windows.

>>8904925
it's telling you that you can't have those characters in the file name, like the other guy said.

It's that time again, /jp/

Hosting at >>8894729

>>8905181
Thanks for the game. I have things to be doing this afternoon, so I just wanted to pop in and say hi. (´･ω･`)

One match, T? And to think I even accidentally picked the wrong deck, too

Whatever, still hosting

Rehosting
>>8900244

>>8905181

Ceasing hosting for a bit to play with >>8905227

>>8905227
GGs Honshu ate me alive with your Alice.

Rehosting after I get something to eat.

Thanks for the games, SuperMe. I wish I knew more about how Meiling is played. Your melee pressure kept me on my toes some, but it felt like you let me have my way with you in the midfield too much. I don't really know what to suggest

Hosting again at >>8894729

Guys I'm terrible at fighting games and obviously terrible at Soku. Like, I have trouble with quarter-cirlces bad. I don't know how/when to BE bad.

Anyone else that horrible want to play or someone much better want to school me by constantly kicking my ass?

I play Alice.

>>8905315
ask Honshu

80.223.0.166:10800 EU
Running with stock decks, since I reinstalled Soku not too long ago and I haven't played in so long.

>>8905304

GGs Honshu, thanks for the games

Your Alice is way too good for my sucky play

Good games, Eric. You really need to abuse Suwako's spacing more. Her tree for area threatening, powerful bullets, and melee can make for impossibly daunting corner pressure if you learn the right blockstrings

Still hosting at>>8894729

>>8905315

Do you play via keyboard?

>>8905425
No I have that Logitek gamepad that looks like a Playstation controller everyone and their mother owns.

Is there any known youtube channel that has high level hisoutensoku matches? It would be fun to see a high level suwako

>>8905454

Huh. Well, can't help much if your inputs are simply bad. I use a PS2 dual shock with a USB converter, myself. Kind of tempted to get a stick, but it'd probably take a while to relearn all my hand motions

Anyway, it's wonderful to see more Alice players around. She has such a unique playstyle. It's frustrating at times, but very rewarding when you finally get her groove going and it seems like the entire screen is coated in cute little dolls! Stick with her and you'll enjoy a gameplay like no other!

>>8905464
I figure my main problem is that I'm just not used to the genre. Most fighting games bore me.

I've only been playing with my friend but since he's just as bad we never get better. I'm getting better at quarter-cirlces. It's the 623s that I can't do.

>>8905465
http://www.youtube.com/user/sibladeko

Has a few hisoutensoku, but there's more IaMP.

>>8905464
Hey Honshu wanna try playing a few games before I go to sleep?

GGs Honshu, lag is too bad to play with one of my characters so I tried Okuu, still doesn't work.
We will never be able to play without lag ;_;

Thanks for the games Shmoop. It's a shame we're always going to be laggy to one another ;_;

>>8905487

If it makes you feel better, Alice's 623BC are all absolutely worthless aside from Edo High-Explosive Pawn which is situationally useful and level 2 Volatile Doll which can occasionally be useful for shoring up Alice's pressure game assuming she can get them to stick, so it's not exactly an important aspect of her play

>>8905497

By all means, connect to me. Still hosting at >>8894729

138.16.23.19:10800 EC US.
rabbits everywhere tier

>>8905578
>Alice's 623BC are all worthless

Actually, it occurs to me that I should cut Doll Cremation a little slack. It's *sort* of useful for exchanging danmaku because of its firing arc and it comes out fast enough to usually be a good trade, but honestly, I can't think of many characters that Alice has such long-ranged troubles with that she'd want to squander cards on a semi-adequate ranged attack. I haven't really messed with it much, though, so who knows

Volatile Dolls still isn't actually a skill until you get it to level 2, though. It's just a misinput with a fancy animation

>>8905595
I've only recently discovered her default 214.

Shit's great.

What do people mostly use for her 22B? I've been using Doll Activation or whatever her default is called. Though I play around with the bouncing one from time to time.

>>8905632

They each have their use, but in my opinion Doll Activation is simply the best of them. Alice has major problems with keeping her ideal spacing, and Doll Activation, when used well, heavily punishes enemies for careless dashes, provides tremendous amounts of bullet cover, and is absolutely excellent for zoning

Seeker Wire's problem is that it doesn't perform the job it's *trying* to do successfully. The bolt disappears on graze so it's countered with a simple 6D, and even if it lands it does little spirit damage. Add that to an awkward firing method that is often tricky to maximize and you have a pretty strict downgrade from Doll Activation. Honestly, if it were buffed to do .75-1 orbs per guard hit (iirc, now it's only .5), didn't disappear on graze, and there was a oldest to newest firing mechanism rather than just newest to oldest so the astute Alice player would have more options for firing it, it would be pretty good

SP Dolls would be fantastic if it didn't replace Doll Activation. Alice needs that move way too much to give it up for more guard crushing power that require a down payment of three orbs not counting C dolls

>>8905736
>there was a oldest to newest firing mechanism rather than just newest to oldest

There is if I remember right. 22B fires it newest to oldest and 22C goes oldest to newest.

But yeah I mostly just like messing around with it. Doll activation is better.

>>8905736
>there was a oldest to newest firing mechanism rather than just newest to oldest

There is if I remember right. 22B fires it newest to oldest and 22C goes oldest to newest.

But yeah I mostly just like messing around with it. Doll activation is better.

Also might as well start using a name.

>>8905343
Good games. You remind me of myself a lot back when I was new to Soku.
I'm bad at giving advice, so I'll just leave it at that.

>>8905757
Nope I'm wrong. Could've sworn.

Ah well.

Done hosting for the time being, /jp/. See you soon~

74.190.74.137:10800

South-East cost USA. Beginner tier.

>>8905165
.... But a : is naturally in the directory linkwhen you link C:\

I literally cannot remove it because this it just gives me an error requesting what drive to put it in

>>8905880
Close ones~

Where do you live in the south-eastern US? It was rather laggy for me living in Florida.

Whoever that Alice was, that was a fun match. First time I've played with anyone who uses Alice. Had my heart going, really.

Rehosting. 74.190.74.137:10800

>>8905936
Really? Hmm.. Sorry about the lag, then. I live in Atlanta.

>>8905942
Honestly, it's probably me. Comcast has really been fucking me this month.

Had to go, Meiling. Sorry. ;~;

Hosting.

173.3.168.226:7500

Anyone in SouthEast US still playing?

>>8900244
Rehosting

64.125.137.250:10800
West Coast USA
Slow Learning Novice Tier

I actually haven't tested this in a while, so if someone tries to connect and can't let me know.

>>8906265
nope

>>8906273
Damn, feared as much. Playing at work after hours and they made some recent changes to the network. Oh well.

Thanks for letting me know.

65.27.195.19:10800
Midwest US

In the red corner, FumoSenpai, weighing in at around a pound of fluff!
In the blue corner...YOU!

I wanna play Suika, so feel free to kick my butt.

>>8906208
Sorry, had to quit sooner than i'd like...Something came up

GGs

>>8906286
IT'S NOT WORKING!

>>8906208

Thanks for rehosting. Had fun!

>>8906286
Are there more of these flowcharts? I've only seen this and Youmu's one. They are hilarious.

>>8906315
Try again.

>>8906330
:(

Maybe it's me?

>>8906322

>>8906265
It probably won't help, but I disabled my firewall (though it should have been configured right) and I'm rehosting. Tell me if you fail to connect.

>>8906330
I'm trying and trying, and can connect to other IPs fine. I'll keep trying and hope you can host soon though.

Did some research and found this one. There is the Sanae one too but I could only find thumbnails.

Heres another one

On a side note
108.212.78.209:10800 (US West)
Lunatic Tier
West/Central only please.

>>8906372
My new hardware disrupted my static IP. I think it should be working now.

177.98.9.182:10700

Brazil (South America)

>>8906286
Rehosting for a few fights.

>>8906280
If you are who I think you are, I said it was likely more on my end than on yours. Connection's been very shoddy for the past month for me.

If you're still around I'm down to play more.

108.212.78.209:10800 (US West)
Lunatic Tier
West/Central only please.

>>8906707
You must have me confused with someone else, though I'm open for a few games I'm also probably a lot worse than whoever you were playing. You'd have to host, though.

>>8906776
66.229.23.121:10800

Not 100% sure it'll work and if it does not sure it'll be stable but it's worth a shot.
Disgustingly bad tier

>>8906497
>no one joins
okay, I... I will just sleep now, good night ;_;

>>8906805
;_;7 sorry pal

If I lived about 6k km more SE I would totally play with you

>>8906802
Yo im in just gimme a few

>>8906802
Connection failed

76.173.11.99:10800

I forwarded ports and made a firewall exception. Not sure why else it may not work.

>>8907231
Oh I stopped hosting a while ago.

I thought everyone went to bed like babies with jobs or obligations.

I can rehost if you want.

>>8907342
Well im not very good either but im not bad I think we can hafe a few good games

>>8907443
That's fine, I'm the worst.

68.62.19.159:7500
east-midwest

fingers tired from wrapping a sword handle tier

>>8907457
Lets find out!

>>8907468
I've been hosting at >>8906802 for a while now if you didn't know.

>>8907496
Well i dont know what just happened My internet just took a shit on me. Im using my phone now

>>8907527
Haha, how silly. Best timing.

>>8907535
Yea i know Sorry anon Im trying to fix it but im lost

More Alice questions:

What's the benefit of leveling up Doll Placement and Doll Arrangement? Is it worth stacking them in your deck?

What about Returning Dolls in general?

Should I feel like a scrub for carrying Grimoires?

>>8908123

Levelling up Doll Placement increases the time the doll is out and the number of hits and damage, levelling up Doll Arrangement at least increases the damage and hits the dolls do, maybe even the amount of damage they sink not sure.
Returning Dolls is excellent for combo and denying space, it hitting on the way back too is a force to reckon with and on higher levels it does a second hit too which is excellent.
Grimoires can be good to carry, I don't play much Alice so I'm not sure how good they are on her but personally I at least use grimoires on Reimu and few other characters

>>8908123
In terms of the skills: >>8908305

For returning dolls, they're good as a combo finisher/zoning tool, but it really destroys your potential to pressure unless you're really good at setting up dolls to your opponents disadvantage. Personally, i find default the best among them, but its your preference really.

Regarding grimoires, this really depends on your style, but essentially speaking, you should really be 'need'ing grimoires. At higher levels of play, you need be able to conserve every bit of orb that you have, and will result in the loss of the offensive/neutral if you screw up because people can take advantage of that and force guard crushes/setups knowing that you lack orbs. It's more of something that gives you a larger margin of error.

IMO though, it's really a waste of deck space. I'd rather exchange that system card for something along the lines of another bomb or a soul torch, etc of that kind. It's just a lot more superior than trying to level grimoires several times to even get a significant amount orb recovery in.

>>8908123

I'm a little late to the party but I'm going to answer this anyway

>What's the benefit of leveling up Doll Placement and Doll Arrangement?

>>8909488 summarized my thoughts on Returning Dolls vs Doll Placement best. Returning Dolls is *nice*, but Alice has weak pressure as it is, so sabotaging it even more just for even *better* zoning and area denial isn't a good idea

Doll Placement doesn't really need to be leveled, either, which saves on deck space for more valuable things

Doll Arrangement is weird. As you level it, the dolls strike faster and become beefier, but it never really starts attacking fast enough to be worth it. You actually kind of *want* the delay because it makes for good oki. If you needed a fast attack, you'd just melee and not have to deal with graze

They make for really good bullet cover, though, even if they do end up being kind of awkward to use for an actual attack or a little too fast for oki. I'm starting to try to use them in a deck I use specifically to fight Patchouli. Results are mixed, but I'm going to try it for a while longer

>>8909488 is also mostly correct about Grimoires. Using them with the intent of gaining more spirit for more offense I don't feel is worth it because you give up momentum to use the card. Alice is a *very* momentum based character. Every doll you can throw before the enemy gets up and every bit of spacing that swings in your favor pays off way more than a little extra spirit

Defensively, it's just not worth using over an actual escape card like Reimu's or Iku's. Your tastes may differ, though

Anyone want to play like 5-10 matches with me?
65.27.195.19:10800
Midwest US

Soft tier

Am I good yet?

>>8912318
Oh man that was the best time ever for me to lose internet.

Alice kick right to the face.

Whelp, like I said earlier, Comcast is really hatin' this month.

I guess I shouldn't play right now.

>>8912342
That was pretty intense. I'm happy to play against Alice. Most people who play her have no idea how to use her (me included), so I'm happy to see her being used well.

>>8912370
I love her; most interesting character aside from Suwako, I think.

I have major trouble against Yuyuko, though. And Yukari.

GGs regardless.

74.80.60.238:10800

Muii tier

>>8900244
rehosting

80.223.0.166:10800 EU
If any EU players are up at this hour.

>>8912608
GGs Ganon

Almost near perfect'd me that last round.

Anyone from Australia wanna give it a go?

I'm not sure if my internet will hold out, though (at university) so sorry if it drops or lags too much.

Using Hamachi, the network name is 'hurfdurf2hu123', password in email field

Touhou 12.3, right?

>>8912766
i wouldnt count heavy fog as getting perfected
oh yeah thanks i learned something new meiling

>>8912791
Same...
I learned multiples of that dash doesn't help me all that much.
Removed for those earth dragon waves.

>>8912771
Never mind.

68.62.19.159:7500
east-midwest

Die, monster. You don't belong in this tier.

71.7.227.53 10800

Haven't played in years tier

>>8914354
bumpn'

How the fuck do I use this thing?

>>8914472
Click either the wav button or the ogg button and run the game.

98. 86. 129. 189. 10800

Hosting.

Can't get netplay to work. I've enabled UPnP on my computer. Can't really understand Port Forwarding and I'm assuming the use of UPnP means I don't have to. I'm connected via a ethernet cable to my Netgear router. Can anyone help me? I got it to work before but it looks like it isn't working now 74. 243. 121. 104. 10800 is my current IP for Hisotensoku. I have it currently trying to host. If you have some free time can you just see if you can connect to it. If not can you tell me? I don't think it is working but I haven't tested it. Also I'm on the east coast of USA and my tier is ... ummm somewhat decent? I guess I've only played against some friends so I don't really know. Thanks

>>8899381

80.221.90.172:10800

Host from the North Europes
Drunken Sitha tier
If you join, give me a minute to respond since I'm doing something else while hosting

>>8915185

ggs Taxi, sory for the shor set, somone mad me an offer I can't refuse that involves gratuitiuos amounts of booze so I have to go

>>8915320

Nah It's fine. I think I'm a bit sore from all those pummelings I took. Anyways thanks for the match.

torrent doesn't work for some reason for me...
c-can anybody p-please upload it somewhere for me? ;_;

>>8915452
>>>/rs/Hisoutensoku

186.212.144.172:20000

Brazil (South America)

71.7.227.53 10800

first time in years tier

>>8915575

I wanna play with you anon, but now I can't.

Can you host at night?

>>8915800

sorry rehosting in a sec, forgot my deck

>>8915836
>>8915800

sorry wrong profile all along hosting

>>8915836
It's refreshing to see a Komachi player.

GGs.

80.223.0.166:10800 EU
Hosting.

>>8915857
ggz

>>8915575
Are you still hosting? I can't connect.

And why the hell are you using 20000 instead of 10800? I DEMAND you submit to the superior port right this instant!

>>8915907
Good games, have to leave.
Do you use any character or you always play random?
Also I can't believe I won a round with Suwako and one with Cirno, I'm so happy :D

>>8915907
Good games.
Rehosting.

>>8916155
I like to play random all the time, but if I should pick a character (I think) I'm good with, it would definitely be Youmu by far.

Where are the move set lists for each character? I don't know how to do a combo.

Trying my new proper connection, also port

83.248.17.216:10800
Sweden
Eternally Bat at Fighting Games Red Moon tier

93.199.108.173:10800 EU
Still learning tier.

>>8916204
Rehosting, forwarded the port to be sure

>>8915800
Rehosting

>>8916311
Where are you? That lag was a bit jarring

>>8916341
Also realized I'm a bumbling retard, I forgot to turn off uTorrent

>>8916341
NS Canada

>>8915800
Still Hosting

>>8916345
>>8916341
Stop play gay fag bitch ass pleb niggers and help me with my dilemma.

>>8916348
That little lag when we're so far away? Feels good, is it alright if I try again with uTorrent off?

>>8916359
Yes

>>8916348
GGs, we were pretty even. I forgot to pretend that I know what I'm doing at the end and dropped the ball completely, but I had fun!

>>8916471
ggz

>>8916151
Good games, but I've had enough for tonight.
That last match was very good one to stop at too.

>>8916244
I guess the connection finally died, but thank you for the games. It's nice to see some new opponents for once, I usually only play against the same few people.

>>8916556

Goodnight EU person

9/10 chinas will lose in their lifetime. 1/10 of them will just reroll. Can't read weather tier, you win on sun shower~!

Hosting at 173.3.168.226:7500

>>8916584
GGs. It's nice to see someone who knows how to play Reimu a little. They're quite rare.

71.218.159.104:10800

Comfy.

>>8916599
Sorry, the delay is too heavy.

>>8916599
btw, I'm east coast.

>>8916599
btw, I'm east coast. Still hosting.

>>8916607
GGs. Stay warm.

>>8916607
GGs

>>8916937
That EU latency wasn't cozy. GGs. Bundle up.

187.145.2.251:10800
Central Mexico
Rusty tier

>>8917177

GG Well I guess I'm still way noobish to take on people of /jp/ Oh well it's good to learn at least. Sorry gotta go do a final paper now. ^^

>>8917177
GGs keep playing and you will improve fast

rehosting

>>8917304
Wahaha my bad, was testing if this shitty comp can handle soku netplay.

Apparently it somehow can't.

>>8917177
Ack, I don't know why I thought Central Mexico would work out well. I think I was over-encourages by the Canadian Komachi with the best internet in the world. Sorry.

>>8917368
are you kidding me? it was good enough to play, i didnt felt a little lag at all, if you are central or west it will be 4 delay at much

74.80.60.238:10800

US Central

>>8917460
lol forgot to mention I don't play much

no i cant play like that johan

>>8917552
come on it less than before, its been a long time since we play

>>8917558
trying to improve my overall gameplay and that delay will mess me up for other people

>>8917561
A few games at least for the good old times, i miss to play against your remilia, you were so good with her. I wonder why you change her for youmu

It's that time again, /jp/

Hosting at >>8894729

>>8915817
Thanks. I can. Will host now, if you happen to be here.

>>8916027
My router is CRAZY www, it keeps changing my (I don't understand these things very well so I may be using wrong names) both external and internal IP, and it only allows me to portforward one port per IP. So I use like 5 different ports and who knows how many IPs. And then, to make things easier, I portforwarded the number equivalent to the last one in my current internal IP, for example, 192.xxx.x.2 = 20000

186.212.144.172:50000

Brazil (South America)

>>8918039
I'd play but Alice v Alice would be silly.

Thanks for the GGs again Honshu. I think I did a little better than last time, but god damn do I get overwhelmed by your persistent onslaught from you and your dolls.

Thanks for the games Eric. I reiterate what I believe I said before; Suwako's melee is quite broken. Great range, unconventional angles, and extremely safe due to how floaty she is. It's in your best interest to learn how to abuse it!

>>8918078

Like hell it would be! CONNECT AND LET US FIND OUT WHO THE TRUE ALICE MASTER IS

Still hosting

one hundred quid on kaiba!

>>8918240
5 bucks on Honshu

>>8918070
update: 177.19.36.95:30000

>>8918240
ha didn't even give you a warm up huh?

Thanks for the games profile1p, but that lag was really annoying. So many dropped inputs.. ugh

Still hosting

>>8918350
to be honest I had no idea what I was doing, fighting games are new to me and I only know how to use skills and spells, combos are difficult for me especially under physical pressure hence using patchy to spam my way to victory in arcade mode

Sorry Muii3, but playing with you is like playing waste deep in mud. Games where half my inputs aren't even registered are no fun

Still hosting. US players only, please, west costers preferred

>>8918240
Whelp, I tried. My internet is not fit for living.

>Finally get my showdown of ultimate destiny with Hurretic
>Lag everywhere

I think I'll stop hosting for the time being. It doesn't seem like anyone I can play with in a lag-free environment is up..

98. 86. 135. 81. 10800

Hosting
South East US

I'm decent but don't really know how to combo all too well experienced players probably will have an easy time beating me but I don't care who I face. As long as you can put up with whatever lag you get if there is any and put up with my skill I'm fine.

>>8918408
At least it was so bad it was actually kind of funny.

In a way.

No it wasn't.

>>8918371

By the way, if you like this game a lot, don't be afraid to practice a lot vs bots. It won't help develop your mind games, but it'll help you form a "plan of attack" to some degree, and you'll be able to combo from muscle-memory

Actually, before I started posting in netplay threads, I purely trained myself in arcade mode for something like two or three months, on and off. The hardest part of playing online is learning to cope with lag and understanding the mind of your opponent, really

>>8918419
Papa Honshu, how do I use Alice's B moves better?

I can never use them since they're slow and I end up canceling out of them by accident.

Uh. What.

>>8918483

6B and 5B are useful if you're one step ahead of the mindgames in the corner pressure game due to its decent spirit damage (and, realistically, being one of the few ways you can mix up your close range corner pressure games), messing with people who rely on slow-to-cancel bullets, accounting for changes in an enemy's height in your bread and butter corner-bounce combos (for instance, if you corner-bounce them with a 6A, you should usually use 6B or 5B instead of 2B to continue the combo)

2B should need no introduction. It gives you space, it is handy in corner pressure due to the blockstun it puts enemies in, and it's used in most of your combos

Basically, they're only used when you're reading your opponent like a book, or for your bread and butter combos. Only use them if you know the enemy will be blocking or if you're extending a combo. Never throw them out haphazardly. I guess that goes for most of Alice's moves, though, so yeah

>>8918604
On the subject of spirit damage, back when I used to mess around with Sakuya, I was able to guard crush like it was nothing.

I have no idea how to do any of Alice's block strings. wat do

>>8918637

Alice doesn't really have block strings save for those in the mid field that rely on well placed C dolls and well timed attacks. She *can* use her spell cards, mostly Little Legion and Seeker Dolls, to get a long block string and guard crush, but, well, those are spell cards

It's difficult for me to explain because Alice's "block strings" tend to really just be her carefully sequencing her C dolls and melee, and then using Doll Placement, Doll Activation, and j5C dolls to continue the pressure. I don't really think I've mastered any real block strings for her yet

A few points that will probably help though;

2A provides a longer blockstun than 5A, so it's one of your preferred moves for extending a blockstring as a doll peppers the enemy with bullets

2B forces an enemy to guard for quite a while unless you cancel it, allowing you to make time for your dolls to fire

Thousand Spear Dolls work well with block strings although their usage generally is regulated to settling for chip damage and getting yourself better spacing for another attack rather than actually guard crushing an enemy. In particular, j2C into 214B (TSD) on a cornered opponent sets you up for proper spacing for another attack while mostly keeping them pinned. I'm not positive, but I don't actually think it's frame tight, though

TLDR: Alice doesn't have blockstrings so much as on-the-fly opportunities she makes for herself with copious j5C, 6C, and j2C usage. Any blockstring you want to consistently get down will almost definitely involve Little Legion

>>8918719

As an addendum, as I realize I haven't really given any useful advice; try to perfect a j5C 6D 5A 2A repeating motion. I don't have time to check right now, but that's the closest thing I can think of to a consistent blockstring she can do. I don't think it's frame tight, sadly. And obviously, it only works in the midfield

It's hard for me to explain because, again, I haven't really mastered Alice's blockstrings. To be honest, I don't think she even has any that don't involve an enemy being defensive and letting you set up C dolls or a spellcard

>>8918910
>>8918719
You've been more helpful than all of my practice against bots.

Does anyone have tips for Suwako? I can win against cpus pretty easily with her but in a net match I suck pretty hard.

Does anyone else have trouble pulling off the Shoryuken button-combo? Even after playing the game on-and-off for a couple of months, I can never do it consistently.

>>8919328
What are you using? It used to be this way for me, hell, I still have trouble doing it in combos. The trick I use is to make sure my finger is on down. So I'd start at 6, and just go down to 2 and make a slight movement towards 6 again. That's on a PS3 controller though.

>>8919400

I'm using an Xbox 360 controller, specifically the thumbstick.

Anyone from EU hosting?

80.221.90.172:10800

Host from the North Europes
49% winratio tier

>>8915800
hosting noob tier

>>8920753
GGs. Be careful. It's nippy out there.

>>8916204
Hosting for a while

>>8916599
Hosting. Getting dressed at the same time tier, so expect small subtle afks in between matches.

71.218.159.104:10800

Nice and warm.

>>8922408
Ugh, I don't know what's going on but I can't seem to ground tech.

You still would've beaten me anyways, but it would be nice to get out of the corner when I wanted to.

>>8922497
GGs. Don't forget to wear socks.

80.223.0.166:10800 EU
Hosting.

>>8916599
Hosting. Meditating tier.

>>8922633
Sorry kaali can't play with that lag.

>>8922633
Odd, it wasn't that laggy last time and I don't think the reason is on my end.
Oh well, okay two matches either way.
Rehosting.

Who thought Typhoon and River Mist were good ideas?

>>8922702
Guess there are no EU players up tonight.
Closed.

>>8922647
GGs Ganon. I just DC'd so I'm just going to call it there.

You're getting better, keep up the good work~

>>8923117
Thanks and will do

74.66.230.207:10800

someone try that

>>8923266

FOrever connecting YAY! Though I just wanted to view a match

>>8923390
well fuck

>>8923478

New thread