/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Learn Chinese
>Use Monies to buy Otaku-related things

Kanji is largely the same. Learn both.

>>8890672
>Are there any decent visual novels produced in Chinese?
Of course not, dude. Learn Japanese. Your parents are completely right, but do you really want to spend 5 years of your life learning a shitty language that might help you get a better job?
Anyway, college courses won't get you very far. Get a good book like Genki and start studying on your own.
If you're not completely retarded it'll be alot faster like that.

Screw your parents. You don't learn a language you have no genuine desire to learn. Do Japanese.

Perhaps you can learn chinese and translate chinese hentai for us then, hmm?

>>8890685
>Kanji is largely the same

10/10

>>8890700
>Screw your parents
just like in my japanese comics xD
sorry lol, couldnt resist :P

Once you learned one, it's easier to learn the other.

>>8890707

Chinese anything is an inferior copy of anything.

To be fair, they're going to be paying for my apartment for the next two years.

Since people have mentioned kanji (and because I know almost nothing about either language): Even if the kanji are relatively similar, are you really confident that knowledge of kanji is enough to read Japanese manga without studying the language in context?

>>8890672
China is 2nd largest economy. Japan is 3rd. I know that your parents are trying to secure a good future for you, but you aren't trying to learn some irrelevant language here.
Go for Japanese, you will have easier time learning something that you actually want to learn.

>>8890717
Tell that to the Japanese who copied their culture.

Chinese is really awesome, learning it now and loving it

>>8890672

Chinese. Most light novels and a number of visual novels are translated to Chinese relatively fast. If you have time then why not learn both?

>>8890730
No. The grammar is completely different, the only thing both languages have in common are the ideograms.

And while the ideograms have the same meaning, they're pronounced differently, so you'll need to study it again, though it will be easier because you'll already know the meaning and stroke order, that are usually the same.

>>8890735

On the contrary, the EU has the largest GDP, followed by the US. China's is half of the US, and Japan's is two-thirds of China.

Though, Japan's economy isn't really growing at the moment, even stagnating somewhat.

>>8890743

Copied, but not an inferior copy. Everyone copies from everyone, inevitably, after all. I'm referring mainly to popular culture, though, not traditions.

>>8890756
I'm Chinese and I hate Mainland China. They're all fucking degenerates.

You won't learn a language you don't want to learn, simple as that. Just convince your parent's that learning Japanese will be just as good for you.
Chinese and japanese kanji are nothing alike. And learning kanji won't be enough for you to even read someting. You will need to know Hiragana, Katakana, Kanji and the vocab to even read something. A year of dedicated, every day study won't be enough.

And is kanjidicks down for everyone else or it's just me ?

>>8890730
>To be fair, they're going to be paying for my apartment for the next two years.

That doesn't change anything. It is parents' duty to help their children.
It is proper to feel gratitude for taking care of you, but never forget that you should be living your life and not theirs.

>>8890766
Now, there's a nice suggestion!

My current feelings:
1. I can practice Chinese at the Chinese buffet in town (sweet baby jesus)
2. I have an entire lifetime to learn both.
3. My parents pay for stuff.

Maybe it makes sense to take Chinese, I think.

Chinese characters and Japanese kanji are not the same. At least not anymore.

>>8890775
>On the contrary, the EU has the largest GDP, followed by the US. China's is half of the US, and Japan's is two-thirds of China.

Yeah, true.
But I was talking about countries, not unions and stuff.

What's the official language for EU anyway? Esperanto?

realistically, how long would it take to learn jap moonrunes?

>>8890809
The pronunciation?
Sure, otherwise you are fucking retarded.

>>8890672
learn chinese if you want a better future
learn Japan if VN are more important then your future.

>>8890828
>official language for EU
you're trolling, right ?
>>8890809
>>8890781
Simplified is pig disgusting

>>8890875

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Union#Official_EU_languages

You have countless amounts of information at your fingertips, there's no excuse for being dumb.

>>8890859
>fucking retarded.

The retard is you.

>>8890853
Average is around 2 to 3 years of dedicated studies. This can be sped up immensely if you have supreme workout ethics or are in some immersion program.

>>8890875
He's joking about your retarded statement.
EU is not a country and does not need to be treated like one.

>>8890875
>you're trolling, right ?

No, I am not. It is just that I am from some shitty 3rd world country, so I don't know that much about EU. But I checked it myself: 23 official languages. Multiculturalism, ho!

>>8890908

You have absolutely no idea what the EU is, right?

>>8890889
If you are implying that Chinese has more characters, then you are right.
Japanese kanji doesn't have unique ones.

>>8890875
>>8890889
Some Japanese kanji is simplified as well. You've even showed some examples in that chart.

>parents decide what courses you take in college
>parents pay your living expenses while you're in college

You're what's wrong with the world, OP. You're a spoiled, middle class, sheltered, dependent snotball who can't empathize with the impoverished, underprivileged, hard working lower class.

I was under the assumption Kanji was derived from Traditional Chinese, hence they share a lot of common characters.

>>8890901

No one has implied up to this point except for you that the EU is a country. Though, they are a single market in which trade between countries within the bloc is of similar ease as trade within each country, as well as having common economic policies towards those countries that are not within the trade bloc.

It only makes sense to treat the EU as a single economic player.

Anyone who thinks China has a great future knows nothing about economics or business. China's future is not bright at all, their economy is overheating due to growing way too fast, there is heavy inflation, civil unrest, they are a manufacturing economy in a world where service economies are prevalent, and their GDP is only large because they have an extremely huge population and they allow fucking children to work so of course they will have a huge GDP. But their per cpita GDP is low as a third world country's and the quality of life and literacy/education level is horrid. China will collapse within the next 10 years at most.

>>8890949
My parents pay for me, but I can still empathise. Now what?

>>8890920

No, I'm implying that Chinese characters are much more simplified. To the point where you can't tell what they once were.

>>8890924

The Chinese simplification is much more radical.

>>8890785
This is what fat NEETS truly believe.

I feel guilty for living with my dad at 20. you should too.

>>8890997

Actually, there's a consistent pattern (though, with exceptions) to most simplified characters. e.g., three dots that are horizontal being replaced with a slash, to the extent that one could reasonable guess what the traditional counterparts were if they saw them at some point.

>>8890997
>No, I'm implying that Chinese characters are much more simplified.
That's simplified Chinese.

>>8890952
cool fantasy bro

I bet India won't matter either because it's just full of service jobs and no manufacturing at all, amirite?

Sorry, OP, you're not going to get any good advice here. /jp/ is full of self-loathing assholes who have already constructed labyrinthine rationals for how they have chosen to live their shitty lives. You SHOULD do what you want, but don't let /jp/ tell you what it is you want.

>>8891043

Which are used in the PRC. That's the stuff you learn when you pick Mandarin i.e. Chinese.

>>8890672
Fact: 80% of all Visual Novel translations are made from Chinese translated versions.

>>8891084
I thought it was only 78%

>>8891067
>i.e. Chinese.
What about Cantonese?

And Taiwan? They also speak Chinese.

>>8891103
His parents are probably expecting him to learn Mandarin rather than Cantonese however. Pretty much no one learns Cantonese.

>>8891103

Taiwan still uses traditional characters, Hong Kong and Macao too. But that's it. Everything else uses simplified characters.

It would be a pretty big waste to study traditional characters, especially if you're doing it for an economical purpose.

>>8891054
>I bet India won't matter either because it's just full of service jobs and no manufacturing at all, amirite?

Cool job showing you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. An economy that is based on service jobs is an advanced economy because of the technological revolution. Technology is so advanced that manpower for manufacturing is becoming much less necessary. China's economy hasn't made the shift from manufacture to service. India's has so yes they have a more advanced economy.

The same shit happened during the industrial revolution when agricultural economies were replaced with manufacturing economies. Actually read a history book or take an econ class retard

Chuugoku wa douubutsu! Nihongo ichiban!

>>8891166
and yet you post in english.

>>8890672

Please don't tell me your parents are jewish. Seems a lot of jewish parents push their kids into chinese.

To give you some perspective, I am chinese, live in the U.S, and work in a very small international trading company where we primarily deal with chinese suppliers.

You're not going to be more marketable or employable as an american kid who speaks average to below average Chinese.

Chances are, we can hire someone at our china office whose native language is chinese and who speaks average/below average english a lot cheaper than whatever your salary would be. We can communicate with this person via email and they'd do most of what you can do here.

Only would be worse with bigger companies, they have bigger and more well set up offices locally in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong or wherever relevant. They also have much better systems set up to hire local people than small guys like us.

Lastly, even for other positions inside our company that does not require chinese, we would even purposely avoid people with chinese language skills. No need to hire someone who's more capable of understanding the business and eventually stealing confidential information or trying to start their own business down the road.

Unless you plan to start your own business one day using chinese factories as your source, don't bother with the chinese minor. Makes me laugh and feel sad everytime some confused jewish kid with a art degree takes a minor in chinese just because ooh "employability".

tl;dr Chinese does not help your marketability much. Go with japanese, at least it makes you happy.

>>8890697
>If you're not completely retarded it'll be alot faster like that.
>alot
>not completely retarded
Look who's talking.

just learn japanese, its not like those bakas can even tell the difference, so they dont even have to know.

Quick question, /jp/
If I go to Japan exclusively to study japanese, 5 days a week, 4 hours of class per day plus homework, and already knowing some basic kanji, grammar, greetings, vocabulary, etc. how much time would it take for me to be able pass at least the JLPT N2?

>>8891153
The only thing holding back China is the unwillingness of the government to privatise and open up core areas such as telecommunications and finance. There is alot of R and D going on, but its mostly related to the military and energy sectors due to the distortion of the goverment, which make private sector venture capitalists seem puny in comparison.

The indian economy is not more advanced simply because its economic composition has far less manufacturing and far more IT based products/services. And if you want to look at history, you'll notice that the industrial and manufacturing bases of countries play a large part in providing the impetus for their economic evolution; see Britain vs the US, or see German industrial dominance ever since its unification by Bismarck.

Learn Japanese

I too am almost done with my sophomore year of college and am going to take Japanese. However I will be in college for 5 years.

Your parents don't know shit, they are just telling you shit they saw on the news. You are an adult, you can determine how to make yourself marketable. Most important Chinese people will already know english and with Chinese you would learn Mandarin, which isn't even spoken in places like Hong Kong.

The most important thing to know is if you learn a language just to make yourself more "marketable and relevant," you will never learn it. It will be like a majority of other school classes in which you forget everything right after you walk out the door. You won't put as much effort in it. While if you learn a language because you want to and it related to your hobbies, as well as still being marketable, you can learn it with some hard work.
Japanese is still useful, you can get many jobs by learning it.

Learn Japanese.

People seem to forget that Japan is still 3rd in terms of GDP. From a business standpoint it's still a reasonable thing to learn the language.

Honestly, Japan seems like a more viable option, especially with a declining birth rate and a need for innovation.

People actually think it's a good idea to learn a language just to make money?

No one knows how to live anymore. It's really pathetic when I see these people who base their entire lives around acquiring wealth. They never have fun, everything they do is just getting more and more money for no apparent reason and then they just die at some point. Where's the fun?

It's like those creepy hoarders you see on the television specials, the ones that fill their homes with garbage, but this is worse since hoarding wealth is expected behavior for some insane reason.

Learning a language for business only makes sense if you're entering a field where it might be something you'll actually use. What is your major? Is there a decent chance you'll ever actually use Chinese in the field of said major?

Ok real talk OP, don't you dare fucking take japanese. The shit's impossible. A few college courses and you won't be able to read your shitty mangas. Take it from someone who has taken it for 3.5 years, before ditching that shit. Take Chinese. Fuck yeah, speak chinese and they'll spare your life when they invade. Honestly, japanese was a massive waste of time, you will never use it, if you will then grow the fuck up, take chinese you whore fuck off

>>8892810
This. The whole point in earning money is to be able to enjoy your hobbies, so they might, using OP as an example, learn Chinese so they can then buy their Japanese stuff. By learning Japanese, you'd be cutting out the middle man part, you go straight to enjoying your hobby by enjoying the untranslated things out there etc without even needing the job part. At least that's my justification for it.

>>8892901
Seems like someone who couldn't even get the grasp of hiragana talking.

ok here you go OP. You asked /jp/, what answer did you expect? Take it from someone who isn't an otaku, Chinese will be much more your time. You will NOT have fun taking college japanese I FUCKING GUARANTEE it. It is a total waste of time to take it for any less than 4 years, it is a shitload harder than Chinese. Also unless your part of the super special secret brigade you will never use it EVER. Oh yeah manga. GROW THE SHIT UP you'll abandon that habit THANKFULLY soon enough. The sooner you do the better off you'll be. Know Chinese and employers will be SHIT YES and hire you. Know Japanese and employers will say OH SHIT ANOTHER SHIT EATING OTAKU NO JOB and pop a cap in your FAT ASS. i'm not sure if the message was clear enough, but please take chinese. even spanish, anything but fucking japanese. And yes I'm a samefag motherfucker what's your point?

>>8892810

>People actually think it's a good idea to learn a language just to make money?

It's no different than learning plumbing, mechanics, or any other trade for money.

I thought there was going to be a well supported argument in that post but it turns out it's just pseudo-intellectual dribble from a NEET who justifies his personal failures and thinks he figured out life from his mother's home.

>>8892932
Hiragana motherfucker? Are you serious? See it's otakus like you that will get burned by the language. That's not even a quarter of learning the language. You'll learn your pussy chart, and then when material is shoved in your face FROM THE REAL WORLD and not those faggot textbooks they give you then you will be wadding through a rubiks cube flood of kanji that will FUCK YOUR SHIT UP.Oh and hiragana is rarely used for anything but particles and suffixes, it's kanji erryday motherfucker. Kanji that could mean a billion things depending on the combination. Also speaking? Your accent will make them disembowel themselves so they can fling shit at you. You will get FUCKING NOWHERE. Chinese at least teaches you kanji from the getgo, not wasting your time with hiragana and katakana BULLSHIT

tfw elec engineer major with Japanese minor

why cant i hold all these job offers

Learn Chinese. There's no reason beyond "I wanna read VNs early" to learn Japanese.

For fuck's sake, just learn what you want to learn. All of these people crying about difficulty and value are being silly, especially if it's an elective. Pick Japanese if you want to, if you hate it, drop it and take a different class. Try to just have fun with your electives.

Why are you even in college?

Just get a job, rent a small apartment, and enjoy your hobbies. Life is so simple and easy. Why are you making it more complicated than it needs to be? As long as you have a computer, basic shelter, and food then you're set for life. Anything more than that is just mildly entertaining at best.

>>8893005

Why are you even living then? There's only a certain threshold of enjoyment you can muster--after which it turns to boredom. Unless you have anterograde amnesia or are easily distracted or something.

I can't believe you guys are arguing so much in this sort of issue
face it, learning foreign language in college basic study is hardly ANY useless
the best chance of result is that you end up able to speak a few "hello" & "goodbye"s and some lousy sentence of "I have a pen" thing
forget about reading manga in original or let alone using it in a business matter, that is IMPOSSIBLE
you can't go anywhere near that place by just taking some lessons in college
just take whatever you like. and if you feel like you really want to learn it, GO to that country and take a foreign class IN that country. that would be a more sensible movement

OP, study Chinese, so that you can buy cheap figs and merch off taobao and watch anime subbed in Chinese.

>>8891393
China-bro,

I had a placement in Shanghai for an MNC, worked for 12 months there before returning. Learning Chinese during the placement and for a year before leaving was very useful for living, but didn't translate into a lot of extra money. The consensus amongst expats is that the goldrush is slowing down, and that you should get in quick while you can arbitrage your skin colour.
>No need to hire someone who's more capable of understanding the business and eventually stealing confidential information or trying to start their own business down the road.
This what I did for a good a six months working for a 'friend' on the side. Of course, that friend got a good deal of info on EU investment.

I've now left that MNC to complete my uni degree. It seems that there's a lot of interest in employers in the skills and competencies I learned while in China, but less interest in Chinese as a language. I understand you complete when you say that native Chinese speakers, or even EU-born Chinese with Chinese as a second language, have a better competitive advantage that I have.

I'm focusing on accountancy and tax law in my jurisdiction to advise Chinese outward investment. Where do you see demand going for investment in the next 5 years?

pic related, ill explode ur waifus.

Learning any language besides English, with the intent of doing anything besides teaching English, is you holding back society. Everyone should be moving towards a Type 1 Civilization. One of the requirements is a universal language, English is the perfext candidate for this.

>>8891604
>getting buttmad over one mistake
look who's talking

>>8893044
Because there is a never-ending supply of anime to watch, manga and VN to read, and games to play? Just because some people get bored doesn't mean everyone does.

>>8893484
>perfex
you make a strong case

Goddamnit, /int/ was right, /jp/ really is
>/jp/ - China/General

>>>/int/4978554

>>8893529
>quoting /int/
Truly the shittiest board.

>>8893529
Maybe you should go back to that place

http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html
Go for Japanese.

>>8892956
>（ ｀ハ´） Hiragana motherfucker? Are you serious? See it's otakus like you that will get burned by the language. That's not even a quarter of learning the language. You'll learn your pussy chart, and then when material is shoved in your face FROM THE REAL WORLD and not those faggot textbooks they give you then you will be wadding through a rubiks cube flood of kanji that will FUCK YOUR SHIT UP.Oh and hiragana is rarely used for anything but particles and suffixes, it's kanji erryday motherfucker. Kanji that could mean a billion things depending on the combination. Also speaking? Your accent will make them disembowel themselves so they can fling shit at you. You will get FUCKING NOWHERE. Chinese at least teaches you kanji from the getgo, not wasting your time with hiragana and katakana BULLSHIT

なんでこんなに起こってるの？日本マジ嫌いだな。

もしかして、お前は中国人っすか？シナーさんはやっぱりシナーさんだよな
…

People, stop learning languages for some perceived employment benefit.

You will only benefit from knowing Chinese you want a job that involves direct communication with Chinese people/want to work in China. Further you will only benefit if you're completely fluent (you won't be by the end of college). Also, if you want to be employed by such an international/Chinese company you must have a marketable employment skill that makes you more valuable than the millions of other people who speak both Chinese and English. Same goes for Japanese. Your parents are completely clueless if they think taking any language classes at college will make you marketable.

Do you really want to live in China? Do you for some strange reason want a job that will involve you talking to Chinese people on a regular basis? Do you want to dedicate years of your life to achieve these things? I doubt it.

Needless to say this is /jp/ so I don't know why OP is asking us employment related questions.

>>8893561
>by David Moser, University of Michigan Center for Chinese Studies
>University of Michigan
>Michigan

If you're going to cite an article, at least cite an article that isn't written by a nagger.

>>8893565
holy SHIT that face

>>8893569
if you want a job*

I shouldn't post just after I've woken up.

>>8890685
In case you didn't know, 嘘 means "lie" in Japanese (uso), and "be quiet" in Chinese (xu).

手紙 means "letter" in Japanese (tegami), and "toilet paper" in Chinese (shouzhi).

>>8893565
>起こってる

怒ってる even. I can't type at my usual pace in Japanese and that's one argument against it I suppose.

>>8893583
most Chinese are illiterate fucks, why else do you think they need to recreate their language and simplify the traditional characters? Their language is retardedly hard to learn, I wouldn't be surprised if some Chinese niggers end up using letters as toilet paper because they couldn't read the letter anyways.

Joking aside, I would imagine most college will teach simplified Chinese, because that's what PRC/mandarin uses. I would think only special administrative regions in China + Taiwan still uses traditional characters, which is what most Kanji is.

And finally, take whatever you think is cool or helps you after you do your own research/experimentation. You're living your life for yourself, not your parents.

Saying you can understand Japanese if you know Chinese, is like saying you can read Latin if you know English.
It's nonsense. Go to any Chinese otaku fan-base and you'll know that they are seeing hell trying to understand works in original Japanese formats, just like any English speakers over here

>>8893583
It still helps, at least for me- I learned a bit of Chinese before I took on Japanese. There are examples with same Kanjis with different meanings but more often than not it does end up helping. You do easily learn to spot if Japanese sentence start making no fucking sense because you get obvious cues from general direction or content of the article/story/sentence you're reading.
Like in a VN I was reading, they were talking about "手袋" which means bag/purse in Chinese, which was random, so I looked it up quick and it meant gloves in Japanese.