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Naw, bro, it's not like kanji are used in words or anything. Hell, just go through RTK 1 and you can say that you're literate in Japanese.

>>8878421
What I mean is should I bother learning the Onyomi and Konyomi now.
Most guides I found in the Daily Japanese archive are telling me to use Anki and learn the meaning of the words but only one of them has me actually learn how to read the onyomi and konyomi.

>>8878439
If you'd ever like to be able to understand spoken Japanese, then yes, it's necessary.
And with your question answered, please delete this thread.

>>8878445
I was planning to but I have another little question before I do so.
Is it impossible that after learning the meanings of the Kanji, that I'll pick up the Onyomi and Kunyomi while reading VN's with Porigana or watching anime with Japanese subs ?

>>8878457

>>8878352
Learn meaning and one common reading first. You can pick up other readings through vocab later.

>>8878611
By common reading you mean Onyomi ?

I always thought this would be obvious enough but apparently to some people it isn't.

Faggot.

A language isn't made of characters, it's made of words. So you should go about learning words and not just kanji as such. Words written with a single kanji and maybe kana, you automatically get an actually used reading and meaning of the kanji. And while the dictionary will surely be listing over 9000 other meanings/readings, you won't get bogged down with them until you actually encounter them in use, which might as well be never. With words made of multiple kanji, the reading and meaning of the word isn't always at all related to any or all the individual kanji, so if you don't know the word as such, you're fucked.

Stop learning kanji and start learning words.

>>8878925
So how should I go about it ? So far I just do 20 Kanji each day with Anki.

>>8878925
But you do know that learning the written language system makes learning the words, grammatical structure, and damn near everything else much easier, right? That's why using rosetta stone doesn't work at all. It only teaches you the words.

>>8878974
By learning words, I meant learning them together with how they're written. My point was that it's better to learn the kanji in the context of actual words and not hanging in midair.

Your point is how it's retarded to only learn the spoken language and be unable to read and write. I fully agree with that.

>>8878959
Depends. You need exposure. My bet (and it's a pretty safe bet to make on 4chan) is that you're doing this for either anime or LNs or both.

Have you been watching anime for years and picked up some/many words from it? If yes, start with figuring how to write those. If you still watch anime, you could add things to the list as you hear them, even though normally you wouldn't have remembered them for good. Depending on how much you watch and whether you intentionally focus on words, this can get you mighty far.

Whether into anime or not, at some point you should pick up a textbook like Genki (torrents are everywhere) and/or some grammar book, to get you through the very basics of the grammar.

Eventually, just take a LN or whatever, a dictionary (free edict frontend of your choice) and dig in.

Something I personally believe to be crucial and that many people don't agree with, is learning to write things with your hand. I personally remember things immensely better when I learn and review them by writing them out without looking than by just recognizing them. Some people think that's slow, boring and irrelevant in the digital age. I think being able to understand, read, maybe speak but not write is retarded as fuck. Pic sorta related.

I'm interested in hearing other people's advices about what and how to learn first.
Since reading and memorizing the grammar part is a piece of cake, but I don't know what to use and what to do when it comes to learn kanji and words.

>>8878925
This.
It's always hilarious to see someone talking about the amount of Kanji he "knows" (I've learned 20 new Kanji today!), as if this means anything. Shit won't help you read 素人.

>>8879619
I figured what I'll do is learn the Kanji for now and when I know a certin amount I'll just start reading VN's with a text hook and Porigana and maybe watch some anime with Japanese subtitles.

>>8879619
>I think being able to understand, read, maybe speak but not write is retarded as fuck
I would argue that unless you're writing a love letter or something, I don't think you will need it... I write out Kanji when learning them for the first time only because it helps me grasp the mnemonic. Somewhat.

>>8880236
I already finished the kanas but I'll always have a hard time figuring just what the fuck manga sound effects are supposed to be.

>>8878925
I learned by reading raw manga and memorizing the contextual readings and usage of all the kanji I saw. I don't think many people really mean that they're memorizing kanji with no context when they say they're learning them. It's that after you learn to read hiragana and katakana, there's not any way to refer to the next step of learning written Japanese without just saying you're learning kanji.

>>8880311
With context, you don't find yourself asking questions like "what reading do I remember".