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Only cleared Mokou's once by absolute luck and that's it.

I've only cleared Ran...
And that was because I fought her like a bajillion times...
And I've only been able to do it once ever....

I am shit at this.

But since I can't even GET to her because Sanae fucks my shit, Koishi is the hardest for me

>>8862211
I remember that feeling.

Countless retries flailing Reimu against the brick walls of bullets

I wish the hard drive that game was on hadn't crashed. I'm really curious how many tries it took to learn what I do now.

Suwako, Mokou, Flandre, Ran, Nue, Koishi, Mamizou

Koishi took by far the most tries, so I'd consider that the hardest for me.

Have all the primaries abandoned touhou?

Is there no one left whos beaten even one or two?

Moreover, if you haven't then why are you here?

Ran, Suwako, Mokou, Flan, Nue, Koishi, Yukari, Mamizou.

I have not yet beaten the extras in 1-5, 9 or 12.8

Ran, Nue, Yukari and Koishi are relatively easy extra bosses, although Nue and Yukari's stages are brutal. Koishi would be harder if 11 gave out 1 ups in a different way.

Mamizou and Suwako are mid tier in difficulty, although easy stages on both of them. Mamizou would be harder without spell practice.

I hate Flandre and Mokou. Flandre wouldn't be so hard if it wasn't for 6 having sloppy controls, the vsync patch would probably make her easy. Mokou's stage is piss easy but I can never get the hang of most of her spellcards. I know most people consider er easy due to spell practice but I personally suck at everything she does.

I'm going to assume this is the game thread.

I've only beaten Flan and I can beat her reliably. I've tried suwako a bunch but I just can't do it.

Right now I am trying to play UFO and I can't even come close to 1ccing it on normal. I've 1cced eosd on hard, MoF and IN on normal, but SA and UFO are kicking my ass everywhere. I really want to do UFO because I like the music alot, any tips for dealing with it? It just seems so much harder then each other game.

>>8865098
If you haven't already noticed, /jp/ is filled with secondaries.

>>8865252
it didn't used to be this way

Have all the primaries been kicked out of the house for playing too much touhou?.

>>8865242
The first three stages of UFO will make or break the run. If you can maximize then umber of lives you get by the end of 4 then you can fuck up 5 and 6 all you want.

Don't move when fighting Shou unless you have to.

Enjoy getting ass raped by Byakuren's bullshit cards. I could never dodge those reliably until recently. Star Maelstrom occasionally gets me anyway, and Flying Saucer is the second most bullshit card in all of touhou behind Suwako's second survival card, just ahead of Fujiyama volcano, Astronomical Entombing, Curse "Apollo 13" and Reisen's last word.

>>8865243
Applying the v-sync patch is relatively simple. The early games become a non-issue once you use it.

If I remember correctly (from oldest to newest):

Mokou > Suwako > Yukari > Ran > Koishi
Sort of given up on Flandre due to university, haven't attempted Nue or Mamizou.

I think Suwako was the easiest. Oh man I remember how happy I was the first time I cleared an EX stage, pretty sure my hands were shaking (I suck so, yeah).

>>8865327
how many lives should I have by stage 5?

Heres my first ever extra clear if anyone wants to watch it
>>8865242
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20243

I never cleared any... Help me, /jp/! ;_;

>>8865341
Practice Stage 6 until you can get by with only two lives.

Then you'll only need two for the end of Shou.

If you can't keep two lives after starting stage 5 with six lives then you need to practice not-fucking-moving when the curvy lasers appraoch you.

Turns out there's a gap a mile wide for your tiny hitbox to fit in. As long as you don't move you'll probably not even get hit at all.

Careening your touhou into the curvying lasers will kill you more frequently than just sitting there.

Turns out moving around her Ultimate Vajra card is actually kinda simple, but if you have trouble then go ahead and bomb. The method to capturing that card just fell into place one day and since then I've reliably captured it every time.

>>8865327
>Applying the v-sync patch is relatively simple. The early games become a non-issue once you use it.

That would be cheating and cheating is wrong.

>>8865349
I wish I had saved my first extra clear

Hell I would have liked to see my first attempt period. It was against UFO and I remember hitting a game over at stage 2, then stage 3 gave me about three game overs. I couldn't beat Captain Murasa or her bullshit stage until the next night or the one after it.

Now I've cleared every ex stage.

I feel so empty and dead inside, like a fucking ghost.

All I can do now is wait for the new demo to come out.

Flan-Ran-Yukarin-Mokou-Mamizou-Kero-Nue-Koshi-PC 98-Alice
In that order, now I can clear them with a few tries.

>>8865382
Only the hitbox patch in EoSD is cheating.

Spending money on a computer that can run the early touhou games without input delay isn't cheating. Logically there is nothing wrong with inducing vertical tearing rather than input delay.

Performance over asthetics.

I can't do stage 4 ufo withput losing like 4 lives ;-; even with practice.

Flandre -> Mokou -> Ran -> Suwako -> most recently have been trying Koshi for a while now.

Out of the ones I've beaten, I would saw Mokou was the hardest, with Flandre Ran and Suwako all around the same. Though I think Flandre only seems so easy to me now because I spent a lot of time beating her without the vsync fix, and since then have found out about the vsync fix and it just feels easy as muffins.

Koshi already seems the hardest out of them by far though, haven't even seen her last two spellcards yet.

When trying to 1cc ufo what UFOs should I go for? I was thinking red cause more lives = good, but getting a green ufo filled gives you a bomb everytime right? Seems efficient to just do that and bomb hard things.

I play Touhou everyday and I know almost nothing about the fandom, but I still find myself unable to beat an EX stage. Which one is the easiest for me to try, /jp/?

>>8865634
Well first you have to 1cc a game in normal.

After that is all opinion. Mokou has spell practice, so you can practice a lot easier.

I've 1cc'd TH 7-12 on normal, but have yet to pass a single EX stage. the repetition is what kills it, i just lose patience after a few tries. the closest I've got was to Suwako and Nue's final spellcards. I find Koishi brutal (mostly due to the difficulty in obtaining lives in her stage), and Mokou destroys me with Honest Man's Death.

>MFW ive only beaten mokou

>>8865660
Well, the only Touhou that I've managed to 1CC was IN. I don't know why but the death bombing in IN is fucking retarded and I can just press it everytime when I'm about to die. So should I just go with Mokou or there is another alternative that might be easy too?

I've only beaten (in chronological order) Mokou, Ran, Suwako and Nue. Ran's a pain but not terrible. Mokou's kinda easy - Fujiyama Volcano is the only legitimate threat in the entire stage/boss combo. Suwako and Nue are perfect in all aspects and are tremendously fun and satisfying fights (Nightmare in Heiankyou captures especially).

Flounder and Yukari I've reached - Yukari reasonably deep - but I haven't played either game in eons.

Got to Mamizou's seventh card sightread. Cards (hers and Nue's) seem reasonable, though her stage is total ass from what little of it I remember (the spirit gauge gimmick being your source of bombs and lives does NOT help - at least UFOs come down near you). Need to figure out how to properly and consistently deal with the people danmaku, as all the animals are either pure dodging or exploitable.

Fuck Koishi up, down, and all around. Shit stage, shit midboss, shit more stage, shit fight (and shit boss fight music for the shit cherry on the shit cake). I will probably never beat her because I have less than zero motivation to try. SA Extra is leagues ahead of everything else as the most unfun thing I've ever tried in Touhou, official games or otherwise.

The only ex-boss I unlocked was Mokou. I am not very good at Touhou and I'm lucky if I can get past beats Keine.

>>8865679
I think you don't understand how HMD works.

Nope, no EX Clear here.
Today I died to Yuugi, before Toramaru, and before Miko.
I should get back in shape.

>>8865713
Isn't it all about quickly swerving left and right to avoid the sweeping laser thing? I always panic and run into a bullet.

>>8865621
Red all the way, until you can't carry any more lives around the stage 4 midboss, then switch to green.

>>8865735
The spellcard gives you a lot of time from laser to laser burst and there's big openings to move, just go through them and save space for a small move in the oposite direction the laser is coming from, try a couple of times in spell practice, people fail trying to rush their movement from left to right.

Or you can try hardcore mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TskYsMJFItg

>>8865735
No, it's all about heading INTO the laser. The laser appears before the hitbox does, so if you edge just slightly to the side where the laser is spawning, it will pass over you harmlessly.

Which stage do you guys is the hardest in touhou 6-13? Not extra stages, but like 1-6 stages. This isn't including the end boss, but does include any midbosses ( so like koakuma would count but patchy wouldn't)

No clears, but I've reached Mugetsu, Alice, Flandre, Ran, and Mokou.

The hardest EX stage is by far Evil Eye Sigma's. I'm usually able to at least challenge the EX-boss, but that stage kills me before I even reach where the midboss would be in another game.

>>8865771
Dude....what

I've been trying to beat Flan for over 6 years now.

>>8865782
I think that UFO has the hardest stages by a long shot. Stage 5 is a nightmare.

SA stage 5 gets an honourable mention.

speaking of UFO, how does Makai exist? I thought it collapsed when you beat Shinki?

>>8865708
Keine is one of the hardest ex midbosses.

>>8865793
>evil eye sigma

Nope. Nope nope nope nope.

>>8865823

SA stage 5 is the stuff of nightmares.

>>8866027
I'd say it was the hardest, if it wasn't for the bombing system in SA. The most difficult part of it can be bombed quite often because of all the power.

Cat's Walk is a seriously nasty piece of work though.

Bump for good game discussion.

I've beaten all of them, but I can't remember in which order. I know the past several games were in order, since, you know, I couldn't beat them until they were released.

Order of difficulty, from hardest to easiest, based on how difficult it is to do a successful no miss/bomb run, not just a clear:

IN > PCB Extra > EoSD > PCB Phantasm > MoF > SA > TD

Some things (like EoSD) might be in the wrong place since I haven't played them in forever.

>>8865098
>Have all the primaries abandoned touhou?
It's not that they have abandoned Touhou. It's just that they don't come to /jp/ anymore because it's a terrible place to talk about the games. Any time someone talks about their accomplishments or scoring mechanics, the only replies they get are accusations of being elitist assholes that are trying to ruin all the secondaries' fun.

Konngara (not really an EX boss but whatever), Rika, Mugetsu & Gengetsu, Alice, Flandre, Ran, Yukari, Mokou, Suwako, Nue.

I'd say the hardest were Alice and demon sisters. Also, I remember having some trouble with Mokou's, Yukari's and Nue's spellcards.

And holy shit, UFO Marisa B made me suffer more than the obstacles EX stage has to offer. What a handicap.

>>8866656
Holy shit, I forgot UFO. Put that between MoF and SA.

>>8865979
Keine is easy as piss. No real idea why you'd have any trouble with her, only her 2nd card isn't static, and its very predictable. Patchouli is much harder. I can reliably clear SS and RF, but I still auto bomb Philosopher's Stone.

>>8866674
Just like the rest of modern society

When someone has a huge score in touhou from a no bomb/miss run it's because he worked his ass off to get that good.

I'm not saying a lot of physical effort was involved, but a lot of time.

For some people, accomplishing anything is a bad thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

>>8866801
Royal Flare is static too and fairy easy if you start the first wave from the bottom, the second from the left side of the screen and then the final from the bottom again.

Philosipher's stone can be simple so long as the faster bullets from the top left don't gig you.

>>8862147
>Hank Hill

Royal flare is fun. I like capturing it.

this is fucking stupid, I can't even practice ufo stage 6 because I can't beat it with continues because using one starts the stage over. This sucks.

>>8866904
You don't really have any business practicing that stage if you can't get through it with the 2 lives, 2 bombs, and infinite attempts it gives you, not even counting all of the resources you can gather during the stage.

My order went: Mamizou (shitty computer, average of 40-50 FPS, sometimes hitting 30 or 60), Ran, Yukari, Suwako, Koishi, Mokou, Nue, Mamizou (better computer, done to make up for the slowdown run), and fairly recently Flandre.
Suwako was by far the easiest because lolbombs while Yukari and Koishi gave me far more trouble than the others, despite the seemingly larger amount of resources they provided.
Haven't really touched PoFV, and GFW Marisa kicks my ass.
I imagine the PC-98 road will be much harder.

>>8867180
Not really, some of them are not that bad..but then you have ones like evil eye sigma who is death incarnate.

Ran Yukari Mokou Suwako Flandre Koishi Nue. Haven't done TD yet.

Hey
Hey guy
you ever like
Get to the end of a 1cc
Then die right when the boss explodes during the slowdown
And that was your last life.

Wow
I want to kill
someone really
Badly.

honestly don't think I can bring myself to play this again.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20300

Can't even watch it, hope thats the right one.

flandre, mokou, rika, gengetu, alice, ran, yukari, suwako, koishi, nue and mamizou

>>8867619
The best runs are when the player dies to stupid shit on the first three stages but ends up being proficient and capturing a whole lotta shit/not dying in the latter half.

>>8867619
If that were any other game that would have been hilarious.

No other campaign ending card comes close to the level of horseshit and UFO's flying saucer. except Erin.

Most ex stage final cards don't breach that.

>>8867619
:(

Yay I just 1ccd mystic square, now I can fight loli alice
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blarg

>>8867032
You don't really have any business telling what one is allowed to play or not.

>>8869425
While that may be true, the game's unlock system does.

>>8869473
Your mom was locked, but I beat her on easy and her extra stage still opened up.

Well beat ufo stage 6 only using 2 lives finally and 23 continues this is easily the hardest game I've tried to 1cc so far.

I've never beaten any touhou game, even on easy mode

>>8869743
You can do it if you try :)

>>8869765
Tried MoF, lost to Kanako. Tried IN, lost to Marisa three times. I want to die.Not the girl you are quoting.

>>8869788
Stage 4 is the hardest part of IN surprisingly, and Kanako's final spellcard on easy is harder then it is on normal.

The first game I ever 1cced was EoSD, it has the least "I must memorize this to pass it" of any of the other games. Just look up how to to sakuya's misdirection and you can do it all by pure skill

>>8869743
Same here. Though I've progressed a bit, I managed to get past stage 4 on EoSD but now I'm getting my butt blasted by Sakuya.

I think my better run of all time ended up me losing to one of Eirin's later spellcards on easy, on IN.

shitsux

>>8869797
Reimu is piss easy, Marisa is fucking stupid hard.

I think ZUN prefers Marisa, what with her being the EX in GFW. I've seen a giant Marisa fumo in ZUN"s house but not a Reimu one.

>>8862147
Come to think of it I haven't beaten the EX boss from Great Fairy Wars, or even played it for that matter.

I put it down some months ago dismissing it as too hard. Clearing a campaign on normal was one of the most intense moments, albeit frustrating in that I couldn't repeat my success.

Since then I've mustered the spatial awareness to beat the likes of Mokou, Yukari, Mamizou, Suwako, etc with a moderate to high rate of success.

I redownloaded 12.8 today and cleared each campaign on normal left and right without breaking a sweat.

This fucking sucks, the exhilaration of dodging bullets is gone. Now it's all an equation, habit. I feel that if I invested time into hard or lunatic mode I'd just regret having spent the time.

There's a world full of VNs and video games out there for me to experience, I don't feel any more obligation to spend time in this genre save for when ZUN releases new games.

>>8871088
I just spent 4 more hours trying to 1cc UFO after that "Dying during the slow down at the last second on the last boss thing" I'm starting to just think i am wasting my time.

K.O.ishi was the hardest for me.

>>8871101
You're playing Touhou. Of course you're wasting your time.

I've been feeling really demoralised lately. The last achievement I had was a 1cc of MoF normal, and that's hardly something worth boasting about since you can do the whole thing without dodging a bullet (I didn't abuse the bombs that badly though).

I've had a 1cc of every game except SA and UFO, but I'm making no progress on them at the moment. Two fantastic runs of SA were ruined by Okuu's last spell, and I really suck at UFO due to the gimmick.

The only EX I've cleared is Mokou, but I've been putting a bit of time into both Suwako and Ran lately.

The frustrating thing is that my general skill just doesn't seem to be improving at the moment. I feel no better than I was a month ago. Will I eventually get that clear if I go all-out on one extra mode, or will I burn myself out?

>>8871243

clear shoot the bullet 100%

>>8865243

Why would anyone play EoSD without the vsync patch? It just fixes the delay, it's not like it adds a hitbox or anything.

Why can't I beat Ran? I've done way harder shit. The stage fucks me up and Ultimate Buddhist ass rapes me every time. I have beat (in order): Mokou, Flandre, and Suwako all with decent score. I cleared all normal except for SA and UFO and eosd hard 1cc is casual play now.

Is there no other way to beat Ran other than to memorize?

>>8871588
>Is there no other way to beat Ran other than to memorize?
But all Touhou games are all about memorization.

I can consistently clear mokou but I can't even unlock any of the others. I've never abused spell practice, it's due to the fact that it's so easy to death bomb in IN and it has fucked up my death bomb timing in other games so much that I'm not sure I can recover from it now.

>>8871101
The spatial awareness you need to adequately dodge bullets transfers from one game to the next.

Never invest time into playing touhou if you're dying left and right (unless you're a beginner). Your frustration will sabotage your attempt to develop the mental capacity to play well.

You can relax yourself by doing a little bit of any other game then come back to UFO.

Before running a campaign practice the troublesome stage. Play stage 6 then if you feel you can do it start a campaign. If you feel you can't, don't waste your fucking time running through the piss easy stage 1-3. Caveat: in UFO you'll want to bomb the final cards since they're disproportionately hard for the first half of the game.

>>8871285
I got 90% of the way and my HD died. Fuck your seamless ceiling and fuck your Ran cards. I would consider attempting to clear the EX stages if I loaded a complete file though.

>>8871588
Fuck your misinformation. I haven't seen 12.8 in months and months. I don't remember shit about this game but I'm doing better in my first attempts today than ever before way back when. Without memorization I'm clearing them left and right--would have been impossible last year.

>>8871645
Death bombing is usually about seeing ahead the likelihood of needing to bomb.

Unfortunately I'll waste a bomb or two assuming that I hit a bullet when in reality I didn't need to use it. Still, using a bomb is better than dying so better safe than sorry.

Been tryin to clear alice in mystic square, but keep getting cocked by the stage, damn you, wonderland.

I'm still trying to NBNUFO UFO Lunatic but I'm really burned out. I've been spending almost all my time working on my personal game among other things. I did just three runs today ending in Shou, Byakuren, and then Shou. It hurts to play this game. Maybe I'll be able to play it more when I get some free time.
>>8862260
>>>/vg/3554836
The dialect has come down a lot. It seems to have moved to other places. I would still much rather have the threads here. Still, I'm going to be playing this game even if I have nobody to talk about it with. These threads are a big thing for me, but they are not the only reason I visit /jp/.

>>8871101
>I just spent 4 more hours trying to 1cc UFO after that "Dying during the slow down at the last second on the last boss thing" I'm starting to just think i am wasting my time.
I know that feeling. I lost a NBNUFO run like that a few months ago and I still haven't recovered. It haunted me for weeks. Just remember, when you do get that run, it's going to be an amazing feeling.
>>8871243
>The last achievement I had was a 1cc of MoF normal, and that's hardly something worth boasting about since you can do the whole thing without dodging a bullet (I didn't abuse the bombs that badly though).
It's a great achievement if you are new to the game. You have nothing to worry about.
>The frustrating thing is that my general skill just doesn't seem to be improving at the moment.
Yes it is. You can't play this game without improving. Just keep playing.
>Will I eventually get that clear if I go all-out on one extra mode, or will I burn myself out?
Take a calmer approach. If you try another goal for a few months and come back to it, you will feel everything as though it was twice as easy. Extra stages aren't hard. You just need to practice.
>>8871645
>I've never abused spell practice, it's due to the fact that it's so easy to death bomb in IN and it has fucked up my death bomb timing in other games so much that I'm not sure I can recover from it now.
You can recover from it if you practice. Just keep playing. Deathbombing is hardly a skill.

I'm still trying to NBNUFO UFO Lunatic but I'm really burned out. I've been spending almost all my time working on my personal game among other things. I did just three runs today ending in Shou, Byakuren, and then Shou. It hurts to play this game. Maybe I'll be able to play it more when I get some free time.
>>8865098
>>>/vg/3554836
The dialect has come down a lot. It seems to have moved to other places. I would still much rather have the threads here. Still, I'm going to be playing this game even if I have nobody to talk about it with. These threads are a big thing for me, but they are not the only reason I visit /jp/.

I'm still trying to NBNUFO UFO Lunatic but I'm really burned out. I've been spending almost all my time working on my personal game among other things. I did just three runs today ending in Shou, Byakuren, and then Shou. It hurts to play this game. Maybe I'll be able to play it more when I get some free time.
>>8865098
>>>/vg/3554836
The dialect has come down a lot. It seems to have moved to other places. I would still much rather have the threads here. Still, I'm going to be playing this game even if I have nobody to talk about it with. These threads are a big thing for me, but they are not the only reason I visit /jp/.

>>8871941
Ew, I didn't even know /vg/ had touhou threads...Feel a little dirty...
Wow after reading some of that...I feel much better about myself as a person.

>>8871991
I don't think the posting quality of the threads is very high. Even the OP would give me doubts about the thread. That's why I want the threads back on /jp/. On the other hand, it would be nice to get more people into these games. We might make new friends. It's just hard to have that kind of civilized discussion on /vg/. I like this thread very much.

>>8872014
Well I'm pretty new, and I was drawn in from the /jp/ threads. I was on your livestream once....you did patchy's books and got all giggly.

Since I've started I've 1cced (normal, in order) IN, EoSD, MoF Mystic sqaure, and I am really really really close for UFO. I have also beaten Flan twice.

>>8871896
I'm not even that new though. I first played EoSD about a month before TD came out, but I was horrible so I didn't put much time into it.

When TD came out, the person who got me into Touhou told me it was easy, but I found it extremely difficult to begin with. So I considered her a liar and left it for months. I've been playing more frequently since late last year, but it's only in the last couple of months that I've started to get reliable 1cc runs.

I got a 1cc of MoF and PCB within a week of each other, and right then I felt unstoppable. But since that I only seem to be getting worse. The harder I try, the more I screw things up.

>>8872051
>The harder I try, the more I screw things up.
Don't try as hard. Try even less than you normally do. I'm being completely serious.

lol once again i make it to shou with like 7 lives and still fucking lose like 5 and then lose at the end, even while bomb farming on stage 6...UFO is my least favorite game in terms of gameplay, this I am sure. I just like the music too much. I am thinking of just giving up and downloading a completed save and doing the extra.

>>8872088
That sounds a little counter productive.

Suwako>Mokou>Ran>Koishi>Nue>Mamizou>Yukari>Flandre

first few actually are easy, last few might only be there because I focused more on the earlier ones before I moved on to them. Hardest would probably be Koishi or Nue, though both aren't that bad once you've beaten them once.

>>8872138
I feel the same way. I've cleared ran, suwako, and yukari (in that order), 1cc'd every game besides ufo (and 1cc'd IN on hard but hard mode on that game is a joke) but I cannot for the life of me clear UFO. Why the fuck do so many items need to drop from enemies? My biggest problem is the stages because I can't see half the fucking bullets behind the curtains of items falling.

>>8872178
Huh, I just did a run of UFO normal and managed to reach Byakuren's last spell. Even captured a couple of her and Shou's spells the first time I've seen them after an unusually good Murasa fight. This might be possible after all.

Only one person in this entire thread has mentioned Marisa from GFW.

I can clear every ex boss except her. Not only is her level fucking LONGER and HARDER than UFO's but Marisa herself has some of the most bullshit cards and noncards I have ever seen. They move so quickly it's like I'm playing damn StB.

Is she so hard that everyone'sblotted her from their collective minds or has no one beaten her and that's why she's never included in any list.

People say Koishi is hard, she's fucking nothing compared to Marisa. It's like every card is genetics of the subconcious and rosarch in danmaku, but it takes ten fucking minutes to just try once.

What the fuck ZUN?

>>8872767
>Is she so hard that everyone'sblotted her from their collective minds or has no one beaten her and that's why she's never included in any list.
I beat Marisa the day the game was released. I just don't talk about it because I don't like GFW.

>>8872789
Are you Royalflare or something?

>>8872767
I've beat Marisa in GFW. The only extra modes I haven't cleared yet are the PC98 ones. Marisa was very hard when I started, but after a while you learn the trick to some of her spellcards, and now I fight her rather often just for fun. The only extra boss who I've beat more is Mokou.

Nue's probably the hardest boss for me, but that is because I've had the least practice against her. Her actual fight is fun, but the stage leading up to it . . . I detest it. You must manipulate the UFOs perfectly to have enough resources against Nue, which saps all enjoyment I would otherwise get out of the stage.

>>8872794
I don't understand what you're asking.

>>8872030
You mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sioQrtjliA
Don't worry. I'm always giggly. I was first drawn to Touhou from /f/, and then I later discovered /jp/ through that. That was a little over a year ago. I think that you have some great achievements and room for improvement.
>>8872051
>When TD came out, the person who got me into Touhou told me it was easy, but I found it extremely difficult to begin with.
I think TD's difficulty is horribly underrated. I personally think it's quite difficult.
>The harder I try, the more I screw things up.
I know that feeling. Just keep trying, don't forget to take breaks, and make sure you are having fun.
>>8872138
That's completely normal and I still fail harder to this day. If you don't like the main game, then I doubt that you will like the Extra.
>>8872222
I've never had any of those problems. Maybe you need some replays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqS4NB6uWtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0LIMlRVNs8
>>8872884
What do you need resources for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baFhU5cwoMQ

>>8874028
>What do you need resources for?
Sorry, asshole, but not everybody is as good as you.

I miss that IN Marisa Solo guy. I haven't seen him post in so long and I was expecting some big achievements from him this year. I hope he is still here or at least still plays. ;_;

Got my first 1cc in IN ever today.
Pic related. ;_;

It's hard to come to this genre out of the blue, I have an all out FPS background, I didn't even play platform jumping games as a kid.

I think it was Suwako, Yukari, Mokou, Flandre, Koishi. Haven't done any of the others yet. And Flandre is my hardest because I'm a patterner, and she doesn't really allow that.

Ran/Yukari, Flan, Mokou (in like two days, it was silly), Suwako, Nue, Koishi, Marisa.

Still haven't bothered with Tom Nook.

any tips for beginners? or a video?

>>8874613
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZrPiHf90w

>>8874613
hold shift for focused movement

>>8874028
You discovered Touhou a year ago and you're now doing perfect lunatic/extra runs? That just makes me feel even worse, since I'm not even up to hard mode standards after nearly a year.

I introduced a friend to Touhou and he got a 1cc of MoF normal the first time he'd ever played a Touhou game. And EoSD. And IN. I try not to measure myself up to other people, but it's really demoralising when somebody completely new to the genre massively outperforms what you've been able to achieve over months of effort.

Mokou, Suwako and Ran
i will never beat em all ;_;

>>8874851

You clearly did not introduce a friend to Touhou. He's probably been practicing for years, keeping his runs secret in order for the single moment of utterly demoralizing a person with their apparent newfound skill.

Flandre, Ran, Mokou, Yukari. I beat Suwako today.
So still Nue, Mamizou and Koishi.
Once I got past Koishi's set of heart cards, she isn't SO bad. I got to Philosophy of a Hated Person.

>>8874851
>1cc of MoF normal the first time he'd ever played

I don't honestly think that is possible, especially if he didnt know about abusing bombs.

>>8874890
This is my dream. One day I will run into someone who will introduce me to touhou and I'll call it a "Cool game" while 1ccing it on first try.

>>8874613
I was planning on doing a video with some friends explaining each Touhou game in detail and strategies for playing and dodging bullets. I'll have to get to work on that. You can always ask me and the thread for advice if you need it. I like to help everyone.
>>8874851
You have to keep in mind that I played for an average of 16+ hours per day for the first three months that I played this game. I played at least 12 hours per day for the half-year after that, and I've only recently stopped playing hardcode. I either slept or played, and avoided many things in my life to play more Touhou. Grinding games like this has been with me since my childhood. I've maintained 15+ hours of playing average for months at a time long before I played Touhou. I take these games extremely seriously. I make sure all my hardware is top-notch, I do all my research, and I frequently communicate with experts in this game. I have put a lot of effort into these games. I doubt that you could not do a Lunatic 1cc if you had played like I did.
>You discovered Touhou a year ago and you're now doing perfect lunatic/extra runs?
Not quite. Perfect Extra runs are not challenging. I could have easily perfected them all by now if I had been trying. I've never done a perfect Lunatic 1cc, although that is my goal. I haven't even done a NBNUFO run of UFO Lunatic yet, despite practicing for over half a year. The farthest I have gotten is loosing the run on the boss slowdown twice.
>I introduced a friend to Touhou and he got a 1cc of MoF normal the first time he'd ever played a Touhou game.
Are you sure he didn't use continues? It took me two weeks to 1cc Easy mode, and about twice that to beat Normal mode. I really doubt that someone could 1cc a game on Normal on their first try without prior practice.
>>8874890
I'm glad our pet troll is still around.

Which character is the best in UFO? Been trying Sanae B. I just tried reimu A and didn't even make it to stage 5's midboss.

>>8875377
>I'll have to get to work on that
Not that guy, but please do! If you have time and it's not a huge bother.

>>8875441
ReimuA and SanaeB are my least favorite shots in UFO. I almost never use the. SanaeB is pretty easy to someone who is unexperienced because she has her bombs and spread that erase a lot of the challenges in the game. I find ReimuB to be the overall strongest character in the game, but I think that SanaeA comes close. Marisa is very fun, but not very useful if you are just trying to beat the game. Overall, it all comes down to personal preference. There are a lot of great shots in UFO. Just don't play as Marisa. (This coming from someone who has 114 hours with MarisaA and 156 hours on MarisaB on Lunatic.)
>>8875443
You can expect it to take some time, but I do intend to work on it. I'm about to have a lot of free time. This is going to be a big and detailed video. I'm going to round up my friends and start to gather commentary and replay samples. In the meantime, you can still always ask me anything. You can give me suggestions on what to put into the video.

>>8875517
>I find ReimuB to be the overall strongest character in the game, but I think that SanaeA comes close.
This might make sense if ReimuB and SanaeA didn't have the absolute lowest damage output of all shot types in UFO.

>>8875558
This might make sense if ReimuB and SanaeA didn't have the absolute lowest damage output of all shot types in UFO.
[citation needed]
And that's very wrong.

Hank is a total bitch to beat. Goddamn propane tanks.

>>8875567

>>8875567
Magic Butterfly Easy, all from the very bottom of the screen.

>>8875715
>>8875824
Apart from those comparisons, which are inconclusive, you are really going to judge the overall quality of a shot type by its damage output? By all means, play the way you want.

>>8872767

oh crap, you're right.

Suwako>Mokou>Ran>Koishi>Nue>Mamizou>Marisa>Yukari>Flandre

Marisa is decently challenging, but she's far from impossible.

>>8875377
It really took you two weeks to 1cc MoF easy? I think I cleared it the second run. Not that it means anything at all, but I guess that suggests I wasn't completely horrible to begin with. The only indication that I've had that I'm anything other than totally awful at Touhou is that one of my friends still can't clear TD on easy.

Anyway, moving on from complaining for a bit... I might start putting more time into UFO before I continue working on extras. The UFO mechanic is seriously frustrating at times though. From what I've seen of Byakuren, she's tough but not really harder than any other stage 6 boss. Shou is giving me more problems. All of her nonspells are just cruel, and I'm not sure how her third spell (the rotating laser) is even possible.

omg...after practicing stage 5 about 15 times in a row I took a 10 min break and tried again and finally did it...going to go watch hockey and drink now to celebrate.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20331

>Shou is giving me more problems. All of her nonspells are just cruel, and I'm not sure how her third spell (the rotating laser) is even possible.
This is something you need to watch replays to see. Here's one I made a little while ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHAEYgQlTQA.. The only one of Shou's nonspells that I think is challenging is her second one, but only if she stays low on the screen. It's hard to explain how to solve it. Just develop a technique for reading the lasers and don't give up until you know you are hit, even if it looks hopeless. Her third nonspell is the easiest to me. You can supergraze it by staying in the middle and being careful to not have Shou run into you when the attack ends, or you can stay on the bottom and dodge lasers relatively easily. Her first nonspell is just practiced. It's hard to explain, but I always seem to know where to go. It's semi-memorized. It doesn't give me much trouble now, but it certainly did when I was still learning it. As for her third spellcard, I don't think it's nearly as bad as it looks. You just have to get into the right mindset for it. I have a vague route for it which I follow, and the spell is much easier or even trivialized with a homing shot. Don't be afraid to use bombs.
>>8876052
Good job.

>>8875987
All of my first 1cc's from Easy to Lunatic were in UFO. UFO was also my first Extra. I don't even remember that much about MoF, but no game on Easy should be too hard to beat.
>The UFO mechanic is seriously frustrating at times though.
You either like it or you don't is what I usually see from people. I loved it the second I saw it because it made the game very dynamic for me. I could focus on score, lives, bombs, clearing bullets at different times, and more. Finding routs and chasing UFO's was also very fun for me, and I like how it binds into the scoring system, even though I don't score too much. They somewhat get in the way nowadays with my no-UFO runs, but I hope to return to a more vanilla-like style of gameplay soon.
>From what I've seen of Byakuren, she's tough but not really harder than any other stage 6 boss.
Maybe on the lower difficulties, but I think she's a nightmare on Lunatic. I don't think Touhou in general has very balanced stage 6 bosses.

continued...

>>8875933
He's providing the citations you asked.

>>8876134
Do you think Nue is a hard EX boss?

>>8876250
I think she has a hard stage, but that she's an easy boss. Overall, I should say she's in the middle in terms of difficulty comparing to the other games.

Mokou -> Suwako -> Flandre -> Nue

Still working on others

>>8876131
Yes, I'm only playing on normal. I was using SanaeB and it seems that most of her spells can be skipped with one bomb if the worst comes to the worst.

>>8876134
I just have huge problems with laser attacks, particularly curving ones. I had the same issues with Seiga in TD. I often run into them for no apparent reason, and I have no idea why.

These easy bosses got no shit on Mugetu & Gengetu

>>8876282
>Yes, I'm only playing on normal. I was using SanaeB and it seems that most of her spells can be skipped with one bomb if the worst comes to the worst.
You shouldn't worry about capturing too many attacks or trying to be perfect if it's only your first 1cc. Once you have already beaten the game, then you can afford to take risks.
>I just have huge problems with laser attacks, particularly curving ones.
That's all going to come down to your general dodging skills. Curving lasers are nothing to be afraid of, they are just like any other bullet. Try to keep your eyes on them to the end and try to predict their trajectory.
>I had the same issues with Seiga in TD.
Seiga was pretty fun for me in TD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUrnXomwlgU
I should play TD more. Maybe I can try doing some handicaps with it.
>I often run into them for no apparent reason, and I have no idea why.
I get that as well. I sometimes watch my repays to see what I did wrong and make sure that it wasn't the game gremlins playing their dirty tricks. Those deaths that you never see coming are going to get a lot more rare as you progress, but they will never completely go away.

>>8876441
>Those deaths that you never see coming
o ho ho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMvdJZHJrv8

I kind of don't want to beat it. Once I do there won't be any more extra stages for me to clear, I'll have done them all.

I don't know what to do anymore

Usually dying at that point would irritate me but..oh well.

It's a really fun card though, I'd like to play just that card without having to wait ten minutes.

I've only beaten Ran. Koishi is nightmare mode can't even clear the first spellcard even with tons of bombs mode, everyone else is in the middle. Usually it's the survival cards that get me, I'm terrible at survival.

>>8879720
>Koishi is nightmare mode can't even clear the first spellcard even with tons of bombs mode, everyone else is in the middle. Usually it's the survival cards that get me, I'm terrible at survival.
I think Koishi is the hardest Extra stage. She was pretty hard for me. For both of those attacks, memorize, bomb, and watch replays. They both have tricks and strategies to them which are very important. Neither of them are as hard as they look. Watching some replays can help a lot, and don't forget to bomb.

>>8879749

I don't really watch replays to tell the truth. I feel like if I do it's a bit like reading a guide, and I prefer not to use one if I can. But the difficulty may just be because I've played SA extra way less than the other ones.

Mokou-Ran

Haven't beaten anyone else yet. I thought Ran was harder because her cards leave more opportunities to fuck up, whereas Mokou doesn't trick you with stupid shit as long as you're good enough to beat her.

>>8879774
To me, watching replays is a basic part of Touhou. Everyone does it, and so I feel like I would be left behind if I didn't. It's nice to give yourself some extra challenge if that's how you roll, but the challenge for me comes down to dodging bullets.

>>8879783

It's a nice way to think of it, I suppose. I feel like in order to get better I need to learn to solve things on my own, since it's something I'm not very good at it and getting practice in that could make me a better player in the long run.

>>8879790
>Mokou doesn't trick you with stupid shit

>>8880004
But Honest Man's Death is easy once you learn the trick. After figuring it out, I pretty much had a 100% capture rate (balancing the 0% capture rate I had previously). Ran has shit like Princess Tenko which is usually easy, until you misdirect imperfectly ONCE and then you're in for a world of hurt. And don't get me started on Charming Siege... Ran's mid-fight spell cards are harder than her end-fight ones, I think.

Managed to clear UFO and SA Hard this Monday. Then I fired up MoF and got my first Lunatic 1cc on the second try (chose ReimuA accidentally on the first run).
Gameovered three times in a row at Grudge Bow today and I'm still terrible at Lunatic Keine after a few days of practice.
90% static boss shouldn't be this hard ;_;

>>8881233
I only ever captured Grudge Bow once and I'm pretty sure I managed to get Nightmare Hyeankyo AND the rainbow ufo's of terror.

However I fucked up the tremendously easy green ufo's of loyalty like a retard and another easy one too--undefined darkness maybe.

I was so hyped when I got through that impossible final wave.

>>8881233
That's impressive. Lunatic Keine is nothing to worry about.
>>8881509
Grudge Bow is one of my favorite spells in the game, although I did loose a few perfect runs on it. Nightmare Hyeankyo and Rainbow UFO Terror are both pretty easy cards, especially compared to the last few cards of some of the other extra stages. There's nothing wrong with dying on Green UFO's. Both Green UFO and Undefined Darkness can be solved with a bomb and some practice.
>I was so hyped when I got through that impossible final wave.
It's a nice feeling. That's why I like that spellcard so much.

I'm absolutely shit at spellcards I have to lead a certain way or they become impassable walls of fuck.

Yes, Suwako.

>>8881609
I'm absolutely shit at completely static patterns which fuck you over if you do it wrong.

Yes, magic butterfly.

Wow, I 1CCed ufo after much practice right, well after failing to even get to nue about 30 times I tried PCB for the first time in forever and going in cold I 1cced it...didn't even die AT ALL until stage 6....Wow I am extremely impressed with myself since I couldn't even beat youmu a few months ago.

>>8881609
I fucking hate suwako, people say she is one of the "easier" bosses (except her survival cards) But I can't even MAKE it to the survival cards...

>>8883032
>>8881609
mokou > suwako in how easy they're

Which of these games would be a best for a complete beginner to start with?

>>8883067
I suggest EoSD because it has greater emphasis on dodging bullets rather than memorizing patterns.

First run of the day. Sleeping sure does help after too many failures. Trying to do few more extras before practicing IN lunatic again.

>2012
>still playing for clears instead of score

I've never unlocked a single ex stage at all.

>>8883679

>2012
>still playing Japanese games instead of Starcraft

>>8883688
fuck off

>>8883692

Little girls shouldn't use such vulgar language.

>>8883687
This.

Except with unlimited lives.

>>8883688
What, are you South Korean or something? Gtfo.

>>8883679
No point in scoring if you can't close to perfect the game first.
And I wonder why these so called elitistfags show up only on an anonymous imageboard

>>8883882
Because they don't actually score themselves. All the actual scoring players never post on /jp/ anymore because it's incredibly shitty here.

>>8883894
There are at least two scoring players who post here (occasionally, at least)

I hate how easy Yukari is regardless of her being the only phantasm boss

>>8883894
There's been a number of WRs posted here.

>>8883990
>>8884701
T doesn't count because he's a giant, egotistical faggot.

>>8884768
Well, you'd kind of have to be in order to want to achieve a WR, y'know?

>>8884768

>>8883882
I don't know. I probably couldn't recognize every good player's post around here, but pretty sure greentexting and one-lining general elitism aren't their style.

So you could safely say the one who made that is a scrub who tries to wind up other new player.

>>8884768
Have you ever ONCE spoken to T?
He fucking hates himself. He's the polar opposite of egotistical.

>>8884768
no Anon, you are the faggots

>>8884792
>2012
>still thinks western records are an achievement

>>8885284
When has WR ever stood for western record?

>>8885347
>2012
>still think getting a world record in a game no Jap cares about is an achievement

>>8884792
>>8884830
>>8884897
>>8884966
>>8885347
IRC defense force in full swing I see.

So much anger.

Anger friends pls go and let fun playing friends enjoy fun games.

>>8885793
suck my cock dude

>>8884897
I can confirm this. He's more self-loathing than I am.

>>8874111
I still play, but have nothing worth posting about. Decided to put PCB and IN aside so I can focus on SA for now.

Since you guys are talking about us scorerunners, I can tell you a fact.

We are all gigantic faggots with no lives whatsoever, and we enjoy playing the games. We also enjoy talking about the games, but every time we try to do it, someone gets angry at us since we are better than them. ... Makes perfect sense.

First of all, playing Touhou is not about being better than others. T does not play Touhou to show /jp/ how much he is better than you, nobody on the WR level does, I can ensure that. You need to have some kind of love towards the games, and an inner striving to pull off hardcore scoring stuff, and work for it. Most scorerunners enjoy scoring most with the games and modes they like.

For example, I've recently been involved with IN easy.

Image somewhat releated, my newest IN easy score. Anyone from here interested in giving me some competition? I know there are good players here as well, most of you just are lurking, instead of posting.

I have not beaten any of them. I am still trying to get past Sakuya's stage one normal. Assuming I am lucky enough to have gotten past Patchy without dieing so many times.

I dont think I am ready for touhou just yet and I have been putting it off for quite some time because I feel intimidated that I wont ever get better at it.

>>8886799
>scorerunning with a solo youkai
gods, why

>>8886877
I do score on the other shots as well. Yuyuko is my strongest, however.

Ran was the first, Mokou isn't necessarily the easiest boss but the IN game mechanism makes her easy.

What about Cave scorerunners? Any of them post here?

>>8886851
You'll get there sooner than you think. Patchouli isn't really that much easier than Remilia. Sakuya is the hardest thing in EoSD, so just practice her as much as possible.

I beat them in this order
Mokou > Sawako > Ran > Nue > Mamizou (still working on Flan and Koishi)

I'd say the easiest one if Mokou, using Reimu-Yukari. If it's about using other teams, it would be, from hardest to easiest:
>Nue > Ran > Mokou > Mamizou > Sawako.

Ufo extra stage is just impossible. I can't even MAKE it to nue after like 40 attempts.

Cleared Flandre, then Mokou, then Ran but fuck Yukari and her seven penises, Suwako, Alice, Mugetu and Gengetu, Evil Eye,
>Its been a year and i still can't get past Orin, I got to stage 6, orin fucked me over on her non spell then Utushu killed me during her first spell.
Why just, why is Orin so fucking hard for me

>>8887859

use bombs

>>8887868
I usually burn them all out at the end of her stage like a faget

>>8887878
Sakuya has 4 new bombs each time she dies, along with borders that should be enough to take down Yukari.

>>8886637
I can understand that.

I feel a little shitty about being able to clear these, simply because all that time spent playing could have been used on other things.

To think if I didn't stop at clearing and invested the time into being a score runner, how shitty would I feel if I peaked at the top?

Being able to beat them is enough for me.

>>8884768
>>8885284
>>8885793
I don't understand. What did I do to upset you.

´・）｀・（ω

>>8888806
>´・）｀・（ω
jesus christ how horrifying

>>8886970
There's Iconoclast in here I think.
[x]inb4 you are him[/x]

Well after trying many many times I can make it to Nue...Farthest I have gotten so far is green UFO's of death lasers. I can prolly get farther without a ton of meaningless deaths....kogasa's cards are so much harder than they look on replays :(

>>8889479
never heard of him

>>8878146
A few days later I tried again and instantly cleared it--my last ex boss is now beaten.

It was so easy, I have no idea why it was giving me trouble on my first day.

All I can do now is wait for ZUN's next games.

>>8893152
Good work.

>>8893152
Meanwhile... I'm still struggling against Yukari ;_;

>>8893152
http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u=cactu&g=--&p=&t=--&d=--&ch=40

Start perfecting them. (´･ω･`)

>>8893152
http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u=Cactu&g=--&p=&t=--&d=5&ch=40
Start perfecting them. (´･ω･`)

>>8896409
I've decided to try Nue, but I am thinking maybe I'll try Ran instead...I can do decent at Nue but it's rare that I can even get to her with 3 extra lives. So I can't even practice much. Kogasa's cards are much harder then they look.

Also Snake show always scares me so much.

>>8896459
I'm trying hard to emulate your UFO stage (except i'm getting UFOs) and failing horribly. Any advice for UFO's Extra stage portion?

>>8896468
Wow...my first time EVER making it to ran, and I got to the buddist symbol spellcard and died like 3 times(guess if I new what was going to happen it would be easier) I think 60% clear my first ever try is really really good though, I'm proud of myself.

>>8896459
Oh no sir, I prefer to do things my own way.

I've already perfected Koishi--the feel good juice yeilded by doing that didn't warrant the time investment.

>>8896670
The inner red lasers become lethal a good two or three seconds after they become large, so don't be afraid to move straight up from the center and then let the inner laser move through you--but once it does follow it's direction directly.

>>8896468
>>8896670
>>8896903
wooo just cleared Ran...wow that was so much easier than Nue who I have been trying to do for bout a week now.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20396

...why haven't I unlocked the phantasm stage :(

>>8897245
You have to capture enough spell cards.

Just clear it on a different' difficulty with a different character.

>>8897259
Does like capturing on reimu a easy and reimu b easy both count? or can I only have it on one difficulty each.

>>8896566
Collect ufo tokens that way so you get many big ufos to clear the screen and memorize the stage... the stage portion is the hardest part in UFO extra.

Can't you people go to /vg/ to discuss the games?
>>>/vg/res/4185886

>>8898933
reported.

>>8898815
My biggest problem is against Shou, I fucking hate those lasers. ;_;

>>8899384
For those curvy lasers I figured out what to do.

Bomb. Just bomb them. Most of her spellcards are pretty simple compared to those fucking non spellcards which just seem luck based.

Yayyy finally unlocked phantasm (did lunatic and captured only 9 cards lol, was enough to unlock it though.)

>>8899408
There's nothing luck based about not moving around like a retard.

Only move if the laser/bullet is about to hit you--otherwise moving will kill you as you careen into it.

The same is true for Kogasa in the EX stage.

>>8900545
I've actually found that, as far as Kogasa's lasers go, it's easier to move along with the lasers until they start to slow down, then either slow down with them or keep going, depending on what you need to do. Makes it easier to keep track.

And you go about as fast as them near the bottom of the screen, too.