/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Yes.
You are a not a true /jp/edo unless you came here in 1998

i am true jper and i came here in 2011 so why the fuck not

Realistically speaking, you're probably older than most of the current userbase. Not that new users are necessarily a bad thing, and fuck anyone who says they are.

Though it is sad in a way. Did all the users from 2008 leave? 2008 doesn't even sound that long ago. What happened to the people from 2007, 2006, or even 2005? Did everyone outgrow 4chan but me? It's a very depressing thought.

>>8806809
Lol, noob.

Anyone remember alt.4chan.japan.general?
Those were the good old days.

Personally, it's about how you behave and post. Keep a low profile, contribute and report shitposting, you'll be a good poster no matter when you joined.
You feel a need to force your views on everyone else, spam because it amuses you and respond to hilarious in-jokes, then you'll always be new, even if you were here since the night of the split.

I know this seems arbitrary, but it's how I see it. Plenty of good posters that knew how to lurk before posting, that don't feel like posting whatever spam fad of the month is going on, and then you realize they came here recently.

Besides, this is an anonymous board. The whole point is that your individual posts get evaluated, not the poster. We don't care when you joined, what you have done in the past nor what you're like in real life. Just that every individual post adds something to the conversation and the board at large.

>>8806818
Yeah man you are the only epic oldfag left.

>>8806823
I guess I kind of deserved that.
But at the same time I don't care.
Anonymity is nice like that.

>>8806826
Can we frame this and hang it up at the top of /jp/?

At least you've been here longer than the janitor.

>>8806826
Too bad more people don't think like this.

>>8806826
5 star post etc

>>8806826
>Personally, it's about how you behave and post. Keep a low profile, contribute and report shitposting, you'll be a good poster no matter when you joined.
>Personally
Personally what? It makes no sense. Next time, please say "Personally, I feel that" or "Personally, I think that" or "Personally, I believe" or something similar.

>>8806826
Someone gets it!

Anonymous-san?

>>8806818
I'm from 2004

>>8806826
Too bad this makes for a dreadfully boring board.

>>8806839

>>8806839
I apologize, I skip words in sentences at times. Thanks for noting, I'll keep a closer eye on what I post in the future. Do a quick read before submitting and all that.

>>8806851
This isn't about just grammar. It's about making sense. It's different from misusing punctuation or misspelling something, because anyone should be able to see that what's being said is nonsense. It's like saying "I could care less."

tru/jp/er since 2009

>>8806856
I hope so. If you search "personally" in the archive I'm sure you'll get this mistake at least fifty times. It doesn't seem like it's an unintentionally omission.

>>8806856
I do this all the time. I'm slightly worried someone will notice a pattern and identify me by my posts.

Lately I have been typing the completely wrong words too. For instance I will start to type "type", then my brain/muscle memory will switch it to "time".

Really annoying, though I'm sort of grateful very few people have pointed it out.

I miss the trains threads.

I miss the cam threads.

>>8806863
EXCUSE ME SIR; BUT YOUR SUPPOST TO USE A COMMA WHEN INTRODUCING DIREKT SPEECH.

>>8806868
>It doesn't seem like it's an unintentionally omission.
>unintentionally
Unintentionally what? It makes no sense. Next time, please say "unintentional" or rephrase it to "it doesn't seem like it was omitted unintentionally" or something similar.

>>8806863
Don't be so nitpicky. Everyone understood his post.

>>8806826
It'd be a boring board, besides if not for the shitposting/meta threads there'd be always the same kinds of threads in the front page, touhou, drawfags, NEET, dolls, tea threads, VNs.

>>8806863
When somebody writes "personally," it's understood that this is shorthand for "I personally find that:".

Also "I could care less" is a perfectly fine sentence.

>>8806839
Personally, suck my dick.

I came for PUDDI, they forgot me here and I never left. Am I /jp/sie yet?

>>8806856
Oh, something I also recommend you look into is After the Deadline. It's a spelling and grammar checker created by the team who wrote WordPress. It doesn't work in real-time, but you can set it to check your text fields before you submit a form (and display an alert if you forget). It picks up on these little things quite well, and has a lot of optional rules for things like cliché phrases and biased language. Like all grammar checkers it's hit-or-miss, but it can be quite useful.

Trying to wean myself off it now, since I hate relying on things.

>>8806875
He doesn't seem to have a problem with his own post being corrected, only the guy who keeps spamming the same "10/10 best post ever" thing. Or was that him as well?

I can actually understand the garbled text messages I get from the family members who have my phone number, but it doesn't make them acceptable. I didn't say the message in his post was bad or anything.

>>8806876
There are still the same kinds of threads on the front page all the time, it's just that you can add shit threads and metathreads to the list of kinds.

>>8806888
HELL yeah /b/rother you too?

>>8806888
Oh fuck, and I got trips!

Who's old enough to remember the days of world2ch and world4ch?

>>8806879
>When somebody writes "personally," it's understood that this is shorthand for "I personally find that:".
When someone writes "personally," it's understood that it's an error and should be "I personally find that:" or an equivalent.

>Also "I could care less" is a perfectly fine sentence.
Not when you mean the opposite. There's also that one article somewhere that tries to apologize for mass stupidity by trying to say it has a sarcastic tone, but the people who make the error all the time certainly aren't aware of that justification.

I am going to intentionally split an infinitive and none of you can stop me.

When did the board-name change?

not suggesting that is any sort of line to seperate people, I just want to know since NEETdom has made everything kind of string together...my best guess would be a year ago. Could it have been 2 years ago?

>>8806897
>world2ch
The site had what, ten users?
>world4ch
I would imagine a fair amount of us.

Begone, Archduke/Jkid/grey/savetheinternet/TheShadowFog/GuyInABox!

>>8806876
>>8806845
Allow me to address that. Some off-topic is more than fine. It prevents stagnation, keeps things interesting and allows new blood to flow in.
The issue is that they're not adding nothing to the board. Yeah, sudo and pigs, how fun. But stuff like that shrimp boat, trains and those odd things that are still relevant to the board, those are not only welcome but encouraged.

What I'm trying to say here is that contribution in all forms is what should be expected from all posters. Repeating the same incoherent thread over and over is in no way good for this place, and the only ones that find it fun is the poster and others like him.

>>8806901
And nor should they.

>>8806903
I don't remember dates, or everything. I do remember that we used to be Japan/General. Also at one point Katawa Shoujo. And that other fun time when /jp/ and /a/ had their names swapped around.

>>8806826
Also this.

>>8806900
It's understood to be both, and if people continue to use it as shorthand it will be eventually assimilated into the language.

>Not when you mean the opposite.
The opposite is never true. If you really could not care any less then you wouldn't have bothered to reply. The fact that you had to point out that it was possible for you to care less already suggests that you don't care very much at all.

Imagine you started up a game of Touhou and bombed twice and died three times to faeries in the space of twenty seconds. You might say, "well, that could have been worse," and somebody who heard you say it will naturally infer that you did horribly. This is not a fuckup or mangling of "that couldn't have been worse."

>>8806899
And now dubs!

>>8806912
>Allow me to address that. Some off-topic is more than fine. It prevents stagnation, keeps things interesting and allows new blood to flow in.
This. The off-beat threads about the most bizarre things have been some of my favourites. Even the staff respect them by leaving them if they have a good discussion going. We had a thread about Monty Python a few weeks ago and it was really fun.
The problem is when people see them as precedents. "Oh, a few days ago Anonymous made a good thread about NES games. I guess that means it's fine for me to make a thread about ZX Spectrum games!" This sort of thinking is most obvious when it comes to blogging threads. A lot of (hopefully new) posters see the usual NEET/hikikomori threads, then figure their own problems aren't worth condensing into those so they make a new thread all about themselves. Fortunately the janitors seem to have had a good knack for which threads to leave and which to delete lately, so I doubt it will be too much of an issue.

>>8806911

I'm none of those people.

I never tripped back in the day. Goes against the entire concept of anonymous communications.

>>8806916
Just to make sure: we were "Japanese Culture" at one point, right? And for a brief period "NEET/Hikikomori General"? I don't think either were particularly long ago, but I feel like maybe I'm going mad.

>>8806826
This is what I've always done until recently I started shitposting I feel like that girl from Cry-Baby watch as I don't sage this thread but bump it oh yeah I'm BAD
SHITPOSTER PRIDE
WORLDWIDE
THE FEW
THE PROUD
REBEL 4 LYFE

>>8806924
>The opposite is never true. If you really could not care any less then you wouldn't have bothered to reply.
It doesn't need to be true. You hyperbolically mean the opposite. You don't mean to delve into the specifics of what giving exactly zero fucks actually is. It's understood that you could actually care less, but the difference is minuscule, and not everyone would agree on what caring even less than that would imply.

>Imagine you started up a game of Touhou and bombed twice and died three times to faeries in the space of twenty seconds. You might say, "well, that could have been worse," and somebody who heard you say it will naturally infer that you did horribly. This is not a fuckup or mangling of "that couldn't have been worse."
And? It's a completely different phrase. The two are not related. Besides, what people actually infer is that you generally did badly, not necessarily terribly. You really do mean it could have been a lot worse. It's an optimistic term that, while acknowledging that you didn't go any good, draws attention to even worse outcomes, usually for humorous speculation.

It's laughable to say the same kind of sentiment is being expressed by people who say "I could care less," and, like the justification in that one argument, these people aren't aware of your logic.

>>8806952
I don't remember "Japanese Culture" at all, but now you say it I do remember we had "NEET/Hikikomori" for a time.

>>8806952

"Japanese culture" was a few years back.

The "NEET" one was...late 2011 I think?

>>8807000

Ooops, I mean 2010.

>>8806973
>And? It's a completely different phrase. The two are not related.
The logic is the same. "I could have done worse" and "I could care less" are both sentences given meaning by the inferences made. The literal meaning of both statements is very uninformative, but the inference is that "[Even though I did very badly, it's still possible that] I could have done worse." "[Even though I hardly care at all, it's still possible that] I could care less."

>It's an optimistic term that, while acknowledging that you didn't go any good, draws attention to even worse outcomes, usually for humorous speculation.
Imagine a thread that was even worse than this one, one you cared even less about. Hi-liarious.

>It's laughable to say the same kind of sentiment is being expressed by people who say "I could care less," and, like the justification in that one argument, these people aren't aware of your logic.
Just because you aren't aware of the logic behind a correct statement doesn't mean that your statement is wrong. Most people are probably just saying it because they don't want somebody to respond, "if you really couldn't care any less you wouldn't have replied."

>>8807004
Probably around then. Most likely between Japan/General and Otaku Culture.

>>8807000
I came in about 8 months after /jp/ was created, maybe it was the initial name. I don't know. And, it's so similar to Japan/General that I'd probably never have noticed.

Shitposting is fine as long as it's ironic. The problem is that what you perceive to be the reality is more important to your understanding than the reality. If people are being ironic too frequently and too subtly, and not caring to adding ;))))))DDDDPPP JK! like some normal from reddit, you might take them at face value, respond ironically to mock them. Your responses could then perhaps be mistaken in the same fashion. It's a chain.

Tenshi / Corndogs

>>8807041
There are posters who delight in "pretending to make shit posts" and then are overjoyed when their pretend shit posts - being absolutely indistinguishable - are mistaken for real shit posts. They then congratulate themselves on being masters of deception.

>>8807000
>>8806989
>>8806952

/jp/ was never "Japanese Culture". That's a figment of your imagination. It went straight from Japan/General to Otaku Culture.
.

It was never NEET/Hikikomori either, though that was the title of the easymodo archive for quite awhile.

>>8807041
It's a tough one. When I first came to 4chan I assumed it was all young adults acting like teenage retards for comedic effect. Over the years I noticed quite a few people who actually were teenage retards, and I began to question whether it had actually been that way all along.

>>8807054

I'm afraid you're wrong.

>>8806805
I remember this image being used by someone who went to an old guys house cross dressed to have sex, does anyone else remember the story? I never could find it in the archives again.

>>8807071
>you're

>>8807054
> It was never NEET/Hikikomori either, though that was the title of the easymodo archive for quite awhile.
I thought that at first, but I'm pretty sure moot did change it on /jp/ proper.

>>8807013
>The logic is the same. "I could have done worse" and "I could care less" are both sentences given meaning by the inferences made. The literal meaning of both statements is very uninformative, but the inference is that "[Even though I did very badly, it's still possible that] I could have done worse." "[Even though I hardly care at all, it's still possible that] I could care less."
No, they aren't. The later is just hyperbole.

>Imagine a thread that was even worse than this one, one you cared even less about. Hi-liarious.
But that isn't funny. You're only proving my point with your sarcasm.

>Just because you aren't aware of the logic behind a correct statement doesn't mean that your statement is wrong. Most people are probably just saying it because they don't want somebody to respond, "if you really couldn't care any less you wouldn't have replied."
No, they wouldn't. Who even corrects people on something like that? Only an autist who can't understand hyperbole at all. "If that really weighed a ton, you wouldn't have been able to lift it." "If I'd really said that a million times, at the same pace, it would have required more time to say than the amount of time we have ever spent talking times several hundred." "That's impossible, you could not even fit the entire volume of a horse inside your stomach." People don't say these things. They are doing it because they've heard the term "I couldn't care less" and have, without thinking about it properly, adapted it with a mistake.

I've been visiting /jp/ for only about 3 weeks now. I think I got this 'sage' thing down. Am I cool?

>>8807085

I'm afraid not. For one thing, moot doesn't know what NEET even means.

/jp/ - Katawa Shoujo was the only namechange aside from the current one that moot ever dropped upon /jp/. Unless you count that time he redirected /jp/ to /a/ and vice versa.

>>8807049
I'd say those are just simple shitposters. I'm sure you agree.

The most masterful ironic shitposter would make posts that are subtle enough to not be obnoxious, as overly obvious irony is, but are still understood to be ironic by the majority.

I love the little linguistics argument going on ITT.
Take it easy, it's just an idiom (or IS it?).

>>8807115
> moot doesn't know what NEET even means.
What's not to get? It's a more socially acceptable term for hikikomori that has sprung up in the past few years. Not a difficult concept.

>>8807126
0/10

>>8807126

get a load of this guy

“Shitposting” is a Something Awful meme.
Please stop using it.

>>8806839
suck my cock dude

>>8807126
This post made my day.

Wow, my days are shitty.

>>8807107
>No, they aren't. The latter is just hyperbole.
Yes, they are. The latter isn't hyperbole, it's a factual statement. The statement "I couldn't care any less" is hyperbole.

>But that isn't funny.
This should probably say, "Personally, I didn't find that funny."

>No, they wouldn't.
A quick trip through Google with the phrases "couldn't care less" "if you really didn't care" reveals about 2,310,000 results (0.17 seconds). Welcome to the internet.

>Who even corrects people on something like that?
Autistic internet users.

>"If that really weighed a ton, you wouldn't have been able to lift it." "If I'd really said that a million times, at the same pace, it would have required more time to say than the amount of time we have ever spent talking times several hundred." "That's impossible, you could not even fit the entire volume of a horse inside your stomach."
These phrases are used casually and among friends. When you say something like "I could not care less about your shitty thread," you're doing it for the sole purpose of being a wanker so it's only proper for the OP to act like a wanker to you.

>People don't say these things. They are doing it because they've heard the term "I couldn't care less" and have, without thinking about it properly, adapted it with a mistake.
I do.

ITT: people confuse idiomatic speech with hyperbole.

>When you say something like "I could not care less about your shitty thread," you're doing it for the sole purpose of being a wanker so it's only proper for the OP to act like a wanker to you.
Something I've noticed throughout this argument is that you keep treating the phrase only in the context of threads. It exists elsewhere, you know. And it doesn't have to be a dickheaded comment directed at who you're talking to. For instance, person A might mention something to person B about how person C, a person both A and B hate, did something stupid. B might say he couldn't really care less what that faggot does, and A might laugh and generally agree.

>These phrases are used casually and among friends.
>I do.
Sounds like you need some new friends. Ones that aren't idiots to the point of you having to come up with your own personal justification for the ignorant phrases they use, because that's what it sounds like you've been doing.

>>8807141
>Yes, they are. The latter isn't hyperbole, it's a factual statement. The statement "I couldn't care any less" is hyperbole.
"I could care less" is hyperbole because everyone who says it (aside from you, apparently?) actually means to say "I couldn't care less" and convey the same hyperbole.

>This should probably say, "Personally, I didn't find that funny."
Funny. I'm also annoyed by people who get overly sensitive when they find opinion stated as fact and want a cautionary foreword for every case. Taken to its extreme, half of what we say would be taken up by that fluff. That's another story altogether, however.

>A quick trip through Google with the phrases "couldn't care less" "if you really didn't care" reveals about 2,310,000 results (0.17 seconds). Welcome to the internet.
And how many of those uses stem from arguments like these? Well, usually they're not arguments, but clarifications, because there's nobody on the other end trying to justify stupidity. The first page is covered in cases of people pointing out that the "I could" should really be "I couldn't." If they actually account for the majority of instances it'd be pretty funny.

Why would you care? Seriously. /jp/ is dead.

>>8807231
Nah, it's fine.

>>8807221
>"I could care less" is hyperbole because everyone who says it (aside from you, apparently?) actually means to say "I couldn't care less" and convey the same hyperbole.
I'm glad you're a psychic vampire who can read everybody's thoughts and know what they really meant to say despite that the other logic is perfectly defensible.

>I'm also annoyed by people who get overly sensitive when they find opinion stated as fact and want a cautionary foreword for every case.
You used it in a universal argument: "Phrase X wasn't funny, so people who say phrase X are wrong."

>>8807221
Most of the uses are when somebody who says "I couldn't care less" is called out in the form, "if you really didn't care, you wouldn't have made that post." Just as a verification, searching "couldn't care less" "could care less" "if you really didn't care" returns 241,000 results, accounting for around 10% of results at most.

>Something I've noticed throughout this argument is that you keep treating the phrase only in the context of threads. It exists elsewhere, you know.
Then you should go lecture at the people who use the phrase "I could care less" in person while I continue to use the phrase on the internet.

>Sounds like you need some new friends. Ones that aren't idiots to the point of you having to come up with your own personal justification for the ignorant phrases they use, because that's what it sounds like you've been doing.
I'm here just to argue with fascist self-appointed defenders of the English language who do it wrong, like you. It sounds like you're having trouble speaking because all the cocks you have simultaneously stuffed in your mouth, but that's an illogical assertion so there's no point in saying it except for the sole purpose of being a cunt.

>it's about how you behave and post. Keep a low profile, contribute and report shitposting

>and report shitposting

Since when did we have a fucking "duty to report"? Isn't ignoring and hiding shitpost threads more productive?

>>8807267
>Since when did we have a fucking "duty to report"?
Always.

>Isn't ignoring and hiding shitpost threads more productive?
No.

>>8807266
And of course, Google's hits-returned count is often totally retarded since they don't return nearly that many results when you go to look at them. Searching to then gives 65 for "could" "didn't," 45 for "couldn't" "didn't," and 20 for "could" "couldn't" "didn't," showing that there are 20 other pairs of people out there who have had nothing better to do than hash out this argument.

>>8807266
>I'm glad you're a psychic vampire who can read everybody's thoughts and know what they really meant to say despite that the other logic is perfectly defensible.
I'm glad you are, as well. After all, you're reading everyone's mind and getting a different result to what I am, it seems.

>You used it in a universal argument: "Phrase X wasn't funny, so people who say phrase X are wrong."
Actually, I assumed you didn't find that funny either, and might further try to argue that any speculation from "that could have been worse" wouldn't be funny, so as to argue than neither phrase is meant to be taken that way. Either way, it was supposed to be "I believe that isn't the case, and neither do you, so let's assume it isn't."

>Most of the uses are when somebody who says "I couldn't care less" is called out in the form, "if you really didn't care, you wouldn't have made that post." Just as a verification, searching "couldn't care less" "could care less" "if you really didn't care" returns 241,000 results, accounting for around 10% of results at most.
But these people aren't saying "don't you really mean you could care less?" They aren't arguing for any kind of substitution to be used, they're just the same kind of faggots who post things like "wow, you must be pretty buttmadd to still be replying to me" and otherwise get caught up about how people must care so much because they are bothering to type. I suppose it's one of these said faggots who caused you to come up with this ridiculous mindset regarding these phrases. I see that now.

>Then you should go lecture at the people who use the phrase "I could care less" in person while I continue to use the phrase on the internet.
No, because it's difficult to multi-task while doing it in real life, and you can't do it anonymously. How about you just stop being proudly ignorant to the point of justifying your ignorance as correct in this twisted manner?

>I'm here just to argue with fascist self-appointed defenders of the English language who do it wrong, like you. It sounds like you're having trouble speaking because all the cocks you have simultaneously stuffed in your mouth, but that's an illogical assertion so there's no point in saying it except for the sole purpose of being a cunt.
Clearly, you're just here because you're taking offense to being corrected and have put great effort into avoiding having to admit that.

>>8807365
>I'm glad you are, as well. After all, you're reading everyone's mind and getting a different result to what I am, it seems.
No; I make no presumptions about what people are thinking, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt. You are concluding that people are incorrect based on an assumption that has no justification. If a statement can be justified by both a valid and an invalid sequence of logic, I reserve judgment on the statement itself rather than assume that the invalid sequence of logic was used, as you are doing.

>Either way, it was supposed to be "I believe that isn't the case, and neither do you, so let's assume it isn't."
Presumably some people out there find it humorous to say, "I could care less." I genuinely find it hilarious that pedants like you will jump on people for it, despite the fact that there is nothing incorrect about the statement.

>No, because it's difficult to multi-task while doing it in real life, and you can't do it anonymously.
Why bring up the situation of in-person discussion if you were going to dismiss it just as quickly?

>How about you just stop being proudly ignorant to the point of justifying your ignorance as correct in this twisted manner? Clearly, you're just here because you're taking offense to being corrected and have put great effort into avoiding having to admit that.
There is nothing for you to correct. You have yet to identify any logical defects and are simply resorting to personal attacks about my friends and my personal character in lieu of finding them.

Is this argument one guy copypasting from a different forum or something?

Jesus.

>>8807568
I have nothing better to do, and since these responses are tailored, neither does the other guy.