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>>8782713
Not a lot of Touhou lately. I might try playing a bit more EoSD though and see if I can learn to dodge more, instead of being a pattern monkey.

I'm trying to get good score on SA lunatic, I know for getting the maximum score you don't even need to clear Okuu, but I just want to get a good score not a WR.

That feel when you have no desire to play anything. I need to find a game that hooks me... beside DOJBL.

>>8782781
i think youll like browser quest
http://browserquest.mozilla.org/
^ browser quest

>>8782713
Please use a different image next time.

>>8783947
Why?

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19932

No-bomb run of UFO Lunatic as ReimuA. Cactu asked me to do this.
Ended with no lives left. It only took one try. That LFS was suspenseful.

>>8784350
Not him, but variety is nice.

bump

Ran seems pretty easy (relatively) when I watch replays, but I am absolutely useless at PCB extra myself. Charming Siege From All Sides is just horrible.

The only extra I've cleared so far is IN, which really spoiled me with the generous deathbomb timer. Either Ran or Suwako are next.

>>8787629
For Ran, try to hold out on the stage the most. After that, bomb whenever you feel threatened on Ran's spellcards. Try not to bomb her nonspells unless you really have to. If it makes you feel better, Yukari's Charming Siege is easier than Ran's. Also, switching shots might help, and make sure to use the vpatch.

If you are unused to death-bombing properly, Mountain of Bomb might fix that up.

bump

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=19949

Did No-bomb UFO Normal yesterday. Nothing too special but I was happy to get the run and capture Byakuren's last three spellcards with the final life.
Hard 1cc coming up in the next few years

I've wanted to practice UFO and TD lately but I've been feeling sick so I can't really dodge or read any of the bullets.

>>8791437
That was impressive. It feels like Ichirin's midboss spell and Murasa's last spell are harder than the Lunatic versions. I also thought Byakuren's second spellcard was pretty funny. I doubt that a Hard 1cc can take you too long. Ask me for help if you need it.
>>8793126
I know how you feel. I hurt my arm today so I didn't feel like playing.

>>8793126
>TD dodge or read bullets
what?

I don't know why, but the PC98 games are so much easier for me. You'd think the faster bullets and more condensed patterns would be more difficult, but they aren't.
Consequently, I can't really get into the Window games. They just go too slow.

Good Heaven...
Yamada just refused to die even once after 15 minutes.
What the hell with PoFV lunatic AI?

>>8795370
Lunatic A.I. is pretty broken, unless you're playing as Eiki, Aya or Medicine

I got to one of Remi's last spell cards on normal. With all all of my continues and 4 lives per continue.

At least I finally beat stage 5 so I can practice on that stage and Sakuya.

>>8795149
huh, did you play only LLS and MS, because then explain me how do SoEW hitboxes work.

Damn, Kogosa's spellcards are really hard. All the time i thought she's just a weak boss like Chen. I had to bomb through all 3 Kogasa's spellcards. After 5 times trying, i couldn't capture any of her cards.

Meanwhile, Nue's first 3 spellcards and noncards are just too easy, i captured them at first try.

I also 1cc Normal UFO first time today after about 10 tries and 30 practices on each stages. Having only 3 lifes left to face Byakuren, i thought i failed again. I got lucky at her last card and the curved laser one.

>>8795637
The only Kogasa hard spell for me is her last one on extra. The other 2 are very easy IMO, though this is only my opinion and it becomes much easier if you are using other characters, I use Sanae B and it's much harder than marisa A I.E.

I fail on Suwako's first card. I think I know what to do in theory, but I can't pull it off. My D-pad starting failing me isn't going to help me, either.

>>8795370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGZ1NG--kUc&feature=player_detailpage#t=960s
I'm not sure if it's even possible to defeat Shikieiki with just one life. It might depend on the shot - I'm not sure.
>>8795637
That's UFO for you.
For her first spellcard, learn the safespot. This won't really matter on any difficulty below Lunatic unless you are scoring.
For her second nonspell, learn to not get clipped. Just practice it and get a feeling for it.
For her last spellcard, memorize a small path, especially for the beginning portion.
Nue's second spellcard can be a little tricky depending on the shot.
>>8796905
>The only Kogasa hard spell for me is her last one on extra.
I think her last card is the easiest. You just have to get used to reading the lasers. Once you get it, it's hard to fail. It does depend on the shot. I don't think SanaeB is very good for Kogasa midboss in general, except maybe the second spellcard.
>>8796934
It's a very easy card. All you have to do is lure the mass of bullets in the proper direction. I wouldn't recommend playing with a D-Pad ever.

>>8795637

First card is challenging but easy for me now, it's basically 100% reading, I can usually capture it just fine.

No comment on the second card, I suck at it.

Her last card is really easy even for beginners, just move with the laser lines as they start to slow down and you'll never get hit.

(´･ω･`)

http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0e0e.rpy

>>8797042
This is for you. \(´･ω･`)\

been trying to beat the MoT (my personal favorite) extra stage.

no i'm not playing for score, just for survival.

Also been playing a little bit of HRtP

I am absolutely useless at UFO. I have a 1cc of every other game except SA, but I cannot even reach stage 5 of UFO normal. I find every single attack Ichirin has obscenely difficult, and my desperation to reach UFOs often gets me killed on stages. Murasa doesn't seem as bad.

>>8797177
If you have mroe problems with Ichirin than Murasa then you are doing something wrong.

>>8797184
he's not, Murasa's stage is way more difficult than the fight itself.

Then again, the same goes for Ichirin.

>>8797190
Murasa is much harder to nmnb than Ichirin and the stage is much harder, what's your point?

>>8797201
>nmnb
when did he intend to do that? Bomb spam like you use to do.

>>8797207
But that's how you see the real difficulty of each stage/boss, with nmnb otherwise you would have to use the same amount of bombs/ lifes for both and then come with a conclusion of which is harder.

>>8797213
>real difficulty
No such thing. Pragmatism fucker, have you heard of it?

the answer is between the Z and C key.

>>8797207
I generally don't bomb at all while attempting to practice stages.

>>8797225
So Byakuren is easier than Nazrin then because I have more bombs for Byakuren and can bomb spam her whole battle.
Learn your shit, if you are using more bombs it's harder, consider bombs lifes and you will see what I mean.

>>8797242
except, for, well, UFO/LFS which is the hardest part of the game.
But Nazrin is not be underestimated!

>>8797177
No game is too hard on Normal. Keep practicing and watching replays. If something is too hard, bomb it. If you bomb too much, start dodging. Also, getting killed by trying to get a UFO token, or having your UFO token change on you or leave the screen is completely normal. I still have that problem sometimes. That's just something you have to practice. A great way to figure it out is to watch replays and see what decisions other players made.
>>8797184
How so? I find Murasa to be just as hard as Ichirin. That Murasa's last spellcard on Normal is scary.
>>8797190
I think UFO stage 4 is very easy. The only "hard" part is the dodging sequence after midboss Nueball, but only if you haven't practiced. You will probably be bombing it to shreds either way just to collect tokens.
>>8797264
There is no LFS on Normal mode. You are thinking of Flying Fantastica.

>>8797283
Murasa is strangely harder than she should be on Normal.

Also its better to just let UFOs go if you know you can't grab one safely. I like to stock up on greens for bombing erry day if i'm just trying to go for survival on a hard difficulty.

>>8796905
>>8797020
>>8797027
OK. Now i can capture Kogasa's first and third cards by staying at the bottom of the screen and trying not to graze.

But her second card is still a big problem. The bullets are flying too fast and staying at the bottom didn't work. 1 bomb is not enough to beat it, i have to use 2 bombs. There seem to be a safe area below Kogasa but i can't utilize it yet though.

Nue's fourth card (the blue UFO shooting laser) is also hard for Reimu B because i can't destroy them fast enough.

>>8799450
The proper token route is going to depend a lot. There is no perfect route. I personally don't need to worry about collecting a lot of resources because I have practiced a lot. Learn to collect by instinct, not by memorization. That's the true skill behind it.
>>8799473
>But her second card is still a big problem.
If it's too hard for you, try to move away from under Kogasa and to one of the sides, especially at the beginning, because the card always starts with a sizable wave towards the bottom. I have no idea what you are doing to need two bombs. Even if you are using MarisaB, you should not need more than one. If you are bomb-skipping something, you should wait until you are about to face bullets, bomb, then face the remaining bullets while the card ends. You don't bomb the second the card begins. Kogasa's second nonspell, in its most basic form, is just a random dodging sequence like many others. There are a few tricks to it if you practice long enough, but it all comes down to dodging bullets.
tl;dr: Move from under her and come back when the bullets aren't dense. Learn to not get clipped. Also, don't shotgun Kogasa. That won't work.

>>8799473
>Nue's fourth card (the blue UFO shooting laser) is also hard for Reimu B because i can't destroy them fast enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baFhU5cwoMQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=362s
You have to look ahead and destroy the last UFO that will stand on the edge of the screen. That makes it possible to move through the column. If you try to destroy a UFO in the center of the column, you won't be able to kill it and you will probably get killed. Killing one that would move off the screen anyway is a waste, because you will still be clipped. There's a trick to it, and it's partly memorized, although the card is not static. Sometimes you will get lucky and have it easy; other times, the card will be brutal.

It's hard to explain, you just have to practice.

Occasionally Aroduc translated a shmup game
http://tenka.seiha.org/2012/04/%E2%99%AB-twilight-i-only-meant-to-stay-awhile-%E2%99%AB/

>>8799771
> I have no idea what you are doing to need two bombs.
I can hold for about 25-30% of the start of her card then i have to bomb when i feel it's too dangerous. As you see in the image, 1 bomb just reduces her HP about 30% which leave her 25% left and i ussually die before her hence the second bomb.
I'm still finding an easier way to capture it rather than going up and down in the middle.

playing pink sweets on my blast city :o

>>8801086
With ReimuB, you have to stay away from the boss when you are bombing. Otherwise, the boss will eat the bombs and take only a fraction of the damage she otherwise would. Also, your immunity to bullets will be much shorter. I believe that this is a glitch on ZUN's part.

Also, I was talking about her stage 2 spell in my last description, not her Extra spell. I guess that I got confused there. Yes, she has a lot more hitpoints in the Extra stage. You just have to dodge more.
>I'm still finding an easier way to capture it rather than going up and down in the middle.
That's the way I do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baFhU5cwoMQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=107s
I don't think there is a real trick to it. I would say to just dodge bullets and practice. Also, you shouldn't try to only move vertically unless you are trying to end the card quickly for score. You should also move horizontally, and make use of unfocused movement a lot. It's a fast card, but not very dense. It's easier than it looks.

>>8802604
>With ReimuB, you have to stay away from the boss when you are bombing. Otherwise, the boss will eat the bombs and take only a fraction of the damage she otherwise would.
This is simply false. Being near the boss while bombing will do around twice as much damage.
>Also, your immunity to bullets will be much shorter. I believe that this is a glitch on ZUN's part.
The invincibility frames are the same regardless of when the bomb orbs disappear. In some cases, they explode before it wears off. Others, they're still on the screen by the time you're vulnerable again (which is why you can sometimes get it to do damage to Nue and Mamizou).

Riz do another stream. Not now, just in general at some point in the future. I enjoy watching you and your crazy Polish ways.

>>8803154
>This is simply false. Being near the boss while bombing will do around twice as much damage.
I'm not talking about being just near the boss. I'm talking about being on the boss. Being near the boss will allow you to do more damage because the orbs will hover over the boss causing damage before they move and explode. Yes, that does more damage, but it isn't what I was talking about specifically.
>The invincibility frames are the same regardless of when the bomb orbs disappear.
If the bomb orbs disappear prematurely, you will be left with no protection from bullets.

I 1cc'd Ten Desires on normal last night with hardly any practice, very easy.
Now the only windows games I haven't 1cc'd are PCB, SA, and UFO. I can't decide which is the easiest, they are all very difficult for me.

>>8805705
>PCB
>can't decide which is the easiest, they are all very difficult for me.
You are doing it Wrong, PCB is much easier than EoSD.

Easiest to hardest to 1CC (normal):
TD -> MoF -> IN -> PCB -> SA -> UFO ->EoSD
Easiest to Hardest to high score
MoF -> TD -> UFO -> SA -> EoSD -> IN -> PCB
Easiest to hardest to NMNBNX
SA -> MoF -> PCB -> UFO -> TD -> IN ->EoSD

Mine:
Easiest to hardest to 1CC (normal):
IN -> EoSD ->TD -> PCB -> MoF -> SA -> UFO

Mine:
Easiest to hardest to 1CC (normal):
LLS -> MS -> IN -> EoSD ->TD -> PCB -> MoF -> SA -> UFO -> PoFV -> GFW

But Perfect Cherry Blossom is easier the EoSD. Supernatural borders, countless chances to rack up extra lives, etc.

Youmu is a bitch to fight, but Yuyuko isn't as annoying as other final bosses.

>>8805792
Yeah, you're right. NormalChart of mine will look like this I think:

PCB = EoSD > IN > TD >> MoF (ridiculously difficult even in the bombfest mode) > SA = UFO

PoFV difficulty is highly depends on the character and nobody cares about GFW.

Well. Then. Normal Chart for me would be something like

PCB > IN = EoSD > TD > MoF > SA > UFO

I'd say MoF is as hard as SA but the amount of bombs is just riddiculous

PCB = IN = EoSD = TD = MoF = SA = UFO

>>8805984

>>8805996
and you're the only boss unaffected by this tactic.

>>8805999
> the only boss

>>8802604
>Also, I was talking about her stage 2 spell in my last description, not her Extra spell.
You should have realized it when i mentioned Nue. Seriously, who can 1cc but still have a problem with stage 2 boss ?

>>8806006
who are you?

What should I try next? I have normal 1CC MOF with 2 reimus, EoSD with every character, IN with boundary team and ghost team.

Was thinking I'd give some extra stages a go? Who is easier, flan, mokou, suwako?

Or maybe give PCB normal another try.

>>8806084
It depends, really. From those three, Suwako is probably the easiest to clear, since you get a nifty amount of rescources and you can always abuse the X-button in MoF, makin the stage and midboss portion easilly No-deathable, but still profitable.
Flandre has the most straightforward patterns, but since EoSD has different hitbox from the rest of the series, it will cause several clipdeaths before getting into it. Also, you only get four extra lives, which make the rescource abusal a bit harder for people with low experience in pre-emptive bombing.
Mokou is hardest of them patternwise, but is often regarded as an easy boss to clear, since you get good amount of extra lives, safespots or cheesing methods, spell practice, and IN's really long deathbomb window.

However, I suggest you to go for the one you like the most. Playing these games or achieving stuff is not about getting the easiest or hardest or whatever thing that gives you reputation done; playing Touhou is about playing the stuff you want to play, and achieving goals you want yourself to achieve.

>>8805755
>>8805747

Wait, are you guys saying IN is easier or harder to 1cc than PCB on normal? The convention with the greater than sign confuses me.

I only recently 1cced my first game (being PCB) and started playing IN but it seems so much more difficult to me for whatever reason.

>>8806329
> playing Touhou is about playing the stuff you want to play, and achieving goals you want yourself to achieve
Nice words.

I don't like 2hus.
2hus are gay.

>>8806837
u r

>>8806832
Sorry, not quite following. Are you telling that my opinion is somehow bad? Could you clarify?

Picked up EoSD a few days ago and still can't finish it on normal with continues ;_;
how long does it take a normal person to be competant at this kind of game?

>>8806837

>>8806975
few days to a week

Bampu pantsu.
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>>8806975
It took me two weeks of fairly intense playing to get my first Easy mode 1cc. I'm not even sure exactly how long Normal mode took me to get. I'd have to compare my replays. Anyways, you are doing fine. Just keep playing and asking us for help.

I was playing EoSD just now(normal difficulty). I didn't lose any lives in the 3 first stages but then I proceeded to lose 6 in patchy's library. What do I have to do to stop sucking

>>8808044
most of the games first few stages are crazy easy, then kick your nuts in with a long as fuck stage 4 and difficult boss. That's just how it is...try stage practice

>>8808044

I wish I had more energy to play, lately I've been replaying Stage 6 from SA and it's extra...


>>8808044
Grind on Lunatic at 90 fps while playing with a gamepad.

... Or try memorizing the stage layout and patterns, improve your successful deathbomb rate, develop that ninja skill that let's you "feel" where your hitbox is, etc.

tl;dr: Practice more.


>>8807086
I'd say a couple of days, max.

But, if he never played the genre before, a few days indeed, or... he may never finish it.

I've seen many sad cases, bro.

>>8808059
Alright, thanks
>>8808063
I can't deathbomb to save my life(no pun intended) ;_;

>>8808080
You're thinking about it in the wrong way. Don't try to deathbomb. Unless you're playing Imperishable Night or Reimu in PCB, don't ever try to deathbomb. You need to try to bomb -before- you die, and (reaction times and faulty bullet predictions being what they are) more often than not you'll end up successfully deathbombing.

I've been playing Touhou alright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZrPiHf90w

tried to do pcb again, did p terrible, got to youmu and died 3 times before I found out you can't go down on that one spellcard where she slashes the bottom, alt f4d, pcb is worst 2hu idk why it even exists so shit, sex appeal characters only I guess such a shame

>>8808098
Ohhhh I see. Thanks for the help ~

>>8808413
Also, make sure you are using the v-patch.

>>8808103
omg wow i laughed so much at the drop

>>8808484
get out of the real threads and get back to your shitpost circle jerks. reported for ban evasion.

>>8806964
No, exactly the opposite. You are absolutely right.

>Wild Deserted Island

>>8810965
I think it's a pretty hard hard, but that the Overdrive is easier. I thought the Overdrive was pretty fun to time out. You can try practicing it there. That card was really bad on 90fps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7dzA7v4teNQ#t=297s
It's a pretty good place to time a trance if you need it. Be lucky there is something in TD that is giving you a challenge.

how do you guys play as reimu B on EoSD?? She is just a slow shit version of marisa A, with harder patchy spells.

I've been trying to beat the extra spell cards in Shoot the Bullet. I beat 1 and 5, and currently have 280 photos taken in 7 and 8. I always die when I have to take one more photo.

By the way, what is that "Newspaper extra" after the Extra spell cards? Do I win something I beat the Extra SCs?

>>8812628
Wait, nevermind. I beat the eight one.

>>8812639
Well done. I unlocked stage 10 today.
What is the Newspaper Extra now?

>>8812628
>>8812657
It's some new stages for Reimu and Marisa ZUN planned to add to StB after MoF. He didn't have time for that so he made DS after UFO instead.

>>8813795
Really? How do you unlock them?

>>8814012
You don't.
>ZUN planned to add to StB
>He didn't have time for that

>>8812607
ReimuB from EoSD >>everything >> ReimuA

Her damage output is absolutely insane. Most easiest shoottype in the game.

>>8814031
Doesn't Marisa do more damage to bosses?

>>8814040
Nah, ReimuB shotgunning does the highest amount of damage.

But ReimuA is not totally useless either, she gets the easiest Patchouli battle as well. Reimu B has some high level bullshit like Bury in Lake.

>>8814040
Marisa also faster (too fast for me sometimes, Meiling spellcards is a good example), have bigger hitbox and problems with some unnamed enemies.

What's the best character/shot type to use for Shikigami Shot: Ultimate Buddhist in PCB's Extra Stage? I've unlocked ReimuA, ReimuB, SakuyaA, and MarisaB.

>>8814040
From the bottom of the screen, maybe. Otherwise, ReimuB has the highest damage output.

>>8814171
It doesn't really matter. It's a really easy card.

>>8814268
Really? I've been having trouble with it. It would probably be easier with a character who can move about as fast as the manji.

>>8814340
If you have problems with ultimate buddhist then you will lose all your lives in charming siege anyway. I recommend Reimu B or Marisa A.

>>8814362
Alright; I'll work on unlocking MarisaA this weekend. Is the extra damage and cherry points worth the risk of firing unfocused as MarisaA?

>>8814373
If you are going for score yes, but since you can't beat the game normally, first do so then play for score.

>>8814373
If it's really a risk then don't worry about it. You get so many borders anyway it doesn't make that much of a difference. I use marisaA and it only took me 3 days to clear extra and I can only 1cc about half the time on normal difficulty.

>Toho games
>beatable in half an hour
>cost thirty bucks

How can ZUN justify charging that much?

>>8814412
Because you play this games to score and do silly challenges after beating them, not just 1ccing them on normal.
Also who are you quoting?

>>8814412
$30 isn't that excessive. Games in the US cost about that much.

>>8814392
>I use marisaA and it only took me 3 days to clear extra and I can only 1cc about half the time on normal difficulty.
E.. Eh? So you can't even 1cc normal, but can do extra?
God I'm so jealous. I can do every game at normal and some of them (6-8) on hard but every extra is a huge wall of impossibility for me.

>>8814412
http://www.paletweb.com//selectpage.asp?code=0000053

Twentybux

>>8814429
I can seriously say MoF extra is easier than 1CCing EoSD and UFO

>>8808103

>>8814429
Well it's more that I think PCB extra itself is easy. The stage is easy to memorize and there's nothing that's too difficult there. Most of Ran's non-spells are simple streaming and half her spell cards are pretty simple too. Borders and bombs are enough to get through the remaining difficulties.

Maybe it's just the way people play. I have never cleared UFO on normal. That shit is just impossible for me.

Guys, do I start with PCB?

>>8814945

Start with EoSD you plebeian

>>8814340
>It would probably be easier with a character who can move about as fast as the manji.
Are you close enough to Ran?

>>8814963
I usually stay around one of the 'corners' of the manji. I'm not quite sure how close I can get without getting hit by the red circles.

>>8814945

IN and TD are best for newcomers imo.

>>8816251
I disagree with IN, since the deathbomb times are really long, especially as Reimu/Yukari. I'd recommend PCB and TD.

I've been working on SA lately but the stages are so fucking difficult it's not even funny. I can confidently take out all the spells from the first 3 stages but I still get hit every now and then in Stage 3+4+5, with Orin i recently don't have big difficutlies, I manage to beat her with 1-3 deats.
In the end I always end up with less than 3 lives in stage 6.

>>8816313
I'm playing just on normal fyi but managa to 1cc most of the other games from time to time but not really regular.

I really wish that IN and TD weren't the only games with spell practice. Constantly running the first part of PCB and MoF extra just to practice the later spells is really tiring.

>>8816313
If you can enter Stage 6 then you should be able to clear the game as stage 6 gives you two extends.

>>8814945
Well, I started with IN, thought it was kind of boring, tried the 9th one and liked it a lot more. With 9, I find that I can keep playing even though I suck and hopelessly trip over myself all the time. Maybe one day I will win the 2hus.