/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Mommy I told you not to come in without knocking.

>African American
1.) Not all blacks came from Africa.
2.) If he's living in Japan he's not American, is he?

>>8773354
Have you considered the fact that he was actually born and lived in the US prior to moving to Japan?

>>8773354
1) America is retarded.
2) He used to be. It's CNN, they're not going to ignore that.

about to do them I swear dude

I'll do them later mom.

do your reps busta

>>8773405

Don't ruin the thread, spammer.

anyone find tae kim as retarded as I do?

I practice my hirigana every day. I cant wait til I have it memorized and I can move on to katakana, then grammer and kanji!

I haven't done them for 3 days. Ill do them after I wake up. I'm sorry.

I am at 1200 kanji, a 15% mark on my road to learning japanese. Feels good alright.

All people come from Africa, even Chinese people.

>>8773426

How did you calculate 15%, anon?

>>8773457
An arbitrary pie chart I have in my head. I assume that for learning japanese Kanji makes up 25-30% of what you need to learn, grammar is about 5-10%, and vocab is 60-70%

I was under the impression that learning kanji was small time.

>>8773480

It is in the scheme of things, but it's not to say it doesn't mean a lot.

I studied for 2.15 hours today.
I'm proud of myself, because it's a miracle that I was able to focus for that long.
I can't wait to burn out tomorrow.

>>8773525
I think I'm gonna do an hour or two of kanji grinding because I'm not doing anything except sipping tea, listening to music, and staring at my screen anyways.

>>8773406
Some old Anon. Busta. Straight Busta.

>>8773525

I've studied for 0.00 hours today. ;_;

I want to memorize more kanji but it's hard enough as it is keeping my /a/jp/ habits a secret from a nosier-than-usual family while having botany, applied chemistry and anatomy exams in two weeks I'm sorry for being so normal, /jp/

/jp/ don't make me come in there again

I finished RTK a week ago. Now what? Start with grammar or vocabulary?

>>8773347
>guy with no connections in japan
>decides to learn japanese and become an actor there because it's something rare
>does it

That's pretty inspiring. What the fuck have I done with my life

I haven't done any in months, I really need to get back in the habit.
Maybe tomorrow.

>>8775531

Don't greentext like that.

It is very important that you don't forget them.

>>8775680
I think I know ~800 kanji. God, I really need to start learning kanji in context though, because the next time I get 報 wrong I might just flip out.

>>8775699
Samefag here. I don't remember ever clicking on >>8775680 , but it happened and there's nothing I can do about it.

>>8773347
>don't forget your Japanese

I haven't even started learning. I've been putting it off for 2 years now. I have all the resources, but can't bring my self to stop procrastinating.

What the fuck am I doing with my life ;_;

>>8775599
Shut the fuck up

>>8773909
Can you teach me some herbalism?
Please respond.

>>8775808
At least you didn't put in 2 years and then give up like I did.

>>8775708
You can delete your post then repost it.

>>8775811

No.

I've been doing 50 new sentences a day for a while now and Anki shows that the correct matures of all reviews is at 97%. I always have like 150 old sentences to review and I think it's too much since I always know most of them. How should I edit the deck properties? Maybe I could do more new sentences too that way.

>>8775859

I don't understand what you want to change, anon.

I did one today. Is that good?

>>8776037
I don't want to spend so much time on reviewing old sentences

I'm at over 800 kanji using Kanji Damage. Then again I'm at a 67% correct rate hahaha. Ugh... the demotivation.

>>8776397

First time correct/young or mature? That's a typical first time correct percentage.

>>8775525
I'd wait until at least 90% percent of your cards are mature then move headfirst into sentence mining.

>>8775531
>>guy with no connections in japan

Yeah, right.

>>8777198

Khatzumoto also had no connections to Japan and he became a software engineer there.

>>8778949
Not to mention people like Marutei Tsurunen.

>>8775808
learning languages is fun.
pic related, my new favorite word.

>>8778973

My story for that kanji in your filename involves a thai prostitute.

>>8778976
>His talent is to light bears on fire. (Really there is no other way to describe it: He is the fucking Van Gogh of ursine immolation.)

too bad the image is missing, has anyone saved it?

/jp/ this hurts me more than it hurts you

>>8775808
Ugh. I did that for ten years before finally manning up and start on it.

I just did them, it was a 400 card review. I hate those, I am up shit creek if when I will have 1000 card reviews in the future.

I can't really get into learning grammar, no motivation for that right now. I am going to ignore grammar until I have most of my kanji down pat and a some vocab on top of that.

I only have 5 today.

Such is life when you still only know (able to write from memory) ~200 kanji and ~400 vocab

>>8773405

someone on /jp/ who knows Eazy E? baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw I thought /jp/ was a bunch of manchildren into j-pop and loli

>>8780109
>>>/a/
>>>/b/
>>>/v/

>>8780109
First day?

>>8780112

Just because you got insulted personally doesn't mean you should board redirect him.

Please don't act like us if you don't understand how.

>>8780147
I redirect whoever I fucking want, faggot.

>>8780158

Isn't it ironic that the true a/b/v cancer is you? Cute.

>>8780158
Take it easy.

>>8780178

You shouldn't further respond to him. I kind of feel bad for him, honestly. Poor thing.

sure is mad in here, I just wanted to learn more about Otaku culture and had no clue some boss and choice members of your fine community knew who Eazy-E was.

>>8780210
Fuck off.

I don't know much about anki but are these statistics good or bad? I am new to anki.

I don't know much about anki but are these statistics good or bad? I am new to anki. I spend about 3-4 hours a day studying.

>>8780217

are you this chill and lax near your 2d girlfriend or are you making special case for me as to appear tough around the waifu?

>>8780266
You should rephrase that so that you don't sound like a retard. Using proper punctuation and capitalization wouldn't hurt, either. Or you could always just fuck off.

>>8780285

He doesn't sound like a retard, though. Maybe you have reading issues.

I missed you OP. I've really been doing my reps. I'm also surprised I haven't quit yet.

>>8780292
Looks like the autism defense force is here.

>>8780298

Autism would be in line with what you're doing which is chastising someone who is perfectly fine because the way he writes isn't nerdy. Don't use words if you don't know the definition of them. I've told you this before.

>>8780305
I'm chastising him because he's typing like he's not old enough to be here. I'm sorry if you approve of meme-spouting and poor grammar, but you're in the minority here. And I don't recall meeting before, care to refresh my memory?

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>>8780325

It's not like he's clearly from /a/ or /b/, or is misspelling his words. He just doesn't type like you, which is perfectly fine.

>>8780337
>It's not like he's clearly from /a/ or /b/
See his original post, >>8780109.

It's quite clear that he's not from here, and /a/'s the most likely candidate.

>>8780334

Alice what happened to your eye?

>>8780293

Pretty good. How long ago did you start?

>>8780420

Why thank you. Anyways, I started in the middle of February I believe. I'm very inconsistent with learning new cards, but consistent with reviews and such things. I plan on going at a much faster rate though in the upcoming week since I'll have about 11 days off.

>>8780343

>>8780109
>baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw

That's the way a /b/-tard behaves.

>>8780435
angry samefags
>>8780325

interesting, you claim someone typing a simple phrase is an observable behavior worthy of grouping them in such a manner that is often negatively associated with generalizations. and i believe every national socialist has a poster of Hitler nakid with a large black dildo up his ass. see where I'm going with this?

excuse for my horrible grammar/syntax. i'm not trying to offend you here.

humbly met,
anon

>>8780495

You're trying too hard.

>>8780495
Why would I wait 24 minutes and then reply to myself with a contradictory view?

>>8780420
Oh, I see. Why is it called that?

/jp/ don't make me get the belt

Did my reps right now. Still going strong, learning japanese is the best decision a NEET can make.

>>8783740
I'm doing mine right now.

>>8773406
OP has taste.
that is one of my faves.

>>8785912
>thread about Japanese
>posts Germany

>>8773347
Hm.

I will learn five more japanese words this week.

>>8785942

Who are you quoting?

>>>/a/

What the hell does 出 mean? I see it all the time in many different contexts.

Fuck you reps! I don't wanna do you.

Say i want to start learning moonspeak, what resources should i use? I've taken a look at anki, but do i need certain word lists or something?

>>8787814
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=5322

>>8787765

it means ejaculate, to exit.

>>8787834

Thank you sir.

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>>8787917

No I'm not the same person faggot.

Thank you Janitor, holy shit.

>>8787946

What happened?

>>8788323
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/8773347/#8787878

>>8788531

Oh. What a retard.

>>8787776

You hardly have any.

Anyone have any experience with timeboxing? I find that this helps a lot with doing my reps. Basically I have a timer program I use to manage tasks, and I just do 5 minutes of reps every hour or so. 5 minutes is usually enough to do 20-30 reps depending on how fast I go.

I wish there were more japanese subtitled animes since its god damn impossible to guess what they are saying although you may know every single word they use on paper

>>8791022

There's a Japanese subtitle listing somewhere in my favorites. Also:

>animu

Don't talk like that.

>>8791022

There's a Japanese subtitle listening somewhere in my favorites. I'll post it if I find it.

>>8791022
www.kitsunekko.net/subtitles/japanese/

Pretty good archive for japanese subs. Does anybody know other useful websites for anime subs?

>>8791032
Everything there is stuff no one wants to watch, has one or two episodes subbed, or the raws are impossible to find

The only series I have seen with japanese subs are hidamari and clannad

>>8791039

>has one or two episodes subbed

Better than nothing. Even one episode is a good amount of cards for sub2srs isn't it?

>>8791039
Guys, how'd I learn Japanese?
What are some good resources?

Here's another site I have bookmarked, looks like it hasn't been updated in a while though.

http://grunnraw.warosu.org/captions/

Guys, how'd I learn Japanese?
What are some good resources?

>>8791059
>>8791066

Don't double post. Check kanji.koohi forums.

>>8791066

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about

>>8791054
Not really. I understand most stuff except for detailed explanations, special vocabulary, proverbs and words which the actors mispronounce or speak with slur.

Recent fun words :
軍法会議
歯が立たない

>>8791090

Do they mean lewd things?

誰にも言えない

Does this mean that "no one is able to say something" or that "unable to say something to anyone" or both, depending on context?

How many more kanji do you realistically need after you have all of the jouyou kanji memorized? Should I just learn the other ones as I go and move on to vocabulary?

>>8792358
>Should I just learn the other ones as I go and move on to vocabulary?

Just learn new ones through vocabulary. No need to do anything special with them, you should be good enough at picking up new ones by then.

漢字那麼好看，為什麼用平假名呢？

>>8791090
>軍法会議
There are "complex" words in this language that sound so cool that you just can't forget them, and they help you remember the individual kanji too.
小隊前進
問答無用
一刀両断

>>8791157
The latter. The subject of a sentence is never marked with the particle に.

>>8792423
No, you can express potential this way.

私にできること=things I can do (what can [someone] do to you)

お前に何ができる= what can you do (what can [someone] do to you)

It can be either, though it is more likely without context to be the latter.

>>8794289
Actually, in my examples it would be the former, but in the original question it would be the latter. Sorry for being confusing.

Wow, I just started learning my vocabulary after grinding kanji for 6 months. Vocab (what do you call multiple kanji together? I call it vocab in my head) is much easier than kanji and takes less time to memorize, the downside is that there is so much more vocab than kanji.

Learning kanji and then vocab seems like it wasn't a waste of time now.

>>8794298
>>8794289
And I also just realized I had the second translation of the second sentence copied twice. Whatever. The point stands.

Is there anyway to learn japanese without learning kanji? It seems useless just to learn 2500+ letters rather than just putting the words in Romaji

>>8792404
因为。。。因为我爱你。

真—真的。我—我没有骗你。。。

>>8796581
Sure. Learn in romaji, it's way better and these fags who say you need to learn kanji don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>8796581
lol get a load of dis fag

By the same logic, there's no point in learning proper English spelling, sinss yoo kan tipe everyfin fonetikally, am eih riyt?

It's standard procedure to use a language the proper way, regardless of whether it's English, Russian, or some African clickity language. If you want to go the lazy way, don't even bother.

>>8794310
>multiple kanji together
熟語
じゅくご

>>8796581
>romaji
Do-don't you mean hiragana???

>>8796581
I can't read shit if there isn't kanji unless the vocabulary is really simple. Japanese, from my experience, isn't phonetic as other languages like english and spanish.

>>8796705
>japanese not phonetic
>english phonetic
>spanish at all.
What the fuck even?

But I already did !
I only had 6 old to review because I overused anki yesterday.

Is 20 new per day decent, or too low ? I don't think it could be too high, but sometime I have to break it in small bits, when I have 110 old cards and 20 new, or I might not memorise as well.

Also, eat two bananas daily, tryptophane being a dopamine and serotonin precursor helps with your mind, gives you fructose and all the vitamins you need.

>>8796705
english phonetic ? you have to be kidding, right ?

all those fucking asspulls pronunciations, you have to learn where to put the emphasis on every fucking word.

>>8796713
Spanish has the most regular orthography of any living language.

Japanese written without kanji is difficult to read not chiefly because Japanese has so many homophones and near-homophones (although that is also true), but because Japanese people don't believe in putting spaces between words. Kanji make it trivial to see where the word boundaries are, instead of having to examine every possible division and examining which make sense. (Of course a native speaker or more advanced student would be able to do this much more quickly, but at my level it's cumbersome.)

>>8796788
homophones were never a problem, trust me on that one. It's just that they have homophones with only slight nuances. Of course that only makes sense when written, but it's kanji he's bitching about.

>>8796788
>Spanish has the most regular orthography of any living language.
Pretty big claim considering X is still a wildcard, B and V are the same sound, H is silent, and probably some other shit I'm forgetting. Spanish orthography is 99.9% consistent in pronunciation from written form (only exception being X) but not in the reverse.

My CONVEX 凸 cock fucked her concave 凹 pussy.

>get down-voted in the community for really great stories

The lesson I'm on now, in Genki, is about giving and denying permission. (～てもいいです/～てはいけません)

Is はいけません pronounced "haikemasen" or "waikemasen" where は is a particle?

>>8796896

It's pronounced like the particle は so it sounds like:

waikemasen

I don't really like the tone of Kanjidamge, should I stick with another deck like Heisig?

>>8796939
You should stop being a fucking idiot who has to have his hand held to study. There is a shit ton of information you have to memorize to understand Japanese, but it's not exactly a mystery what that information is. Fire up Anki and start grinding out your kanji. Keep at it every day for a few years and you'll know your gook squiggles real good.

>>8796974
Well how do you study? I seriously am stupid, I don't know how to use Anki properly.

>>8796983
Find a list of kanji. Doesn't matter if you use Heisig or Kanjidamage. I used the god damn wikipedia list since it shows the most information in one place and you can order it by grade level. Now start at one end of that list, take a kanji, write the kanji five times by hand (writing more than this won't help as much as you'd think), then write down the on and kun readings, and include any other useful information you might find about the kanji, especially if it's something that will help you remember it like a mnemonic device. This is your basic information about the kanji itself. Create a single card in Anki for each kanji, with one side being just the kanji and the other side including all that information. Why do I say create rather than just loldownload a premade deck? Because entering that information into the program in an ordered way is another way of reviewing the information. Making your own study materials is itself a ridiculously effective way of studying, since you have to not only find the information but also interact with the information by organizing it. THEN after you have say two hundred individual kanji entered, start entering in compound words that use the kanji you learned. For instance, you'll learn 少 and 年 in your first two hundred kanji if you order it by grade level. Learning the compound word 少年 will simultaneously improve your vocabulary and help you review both of the individual kanji. Try to aim for three vocabulary using each kanji you add.

>>8797008
Yeah, I've decided to make my own decks, since I don't like the way the other decks are composed.

If it helps, I'm almost done with Genki I, the begginer's textbook, and I have most of the kanji down except for the last two chapters. I figure I will make an anki deck out of it.

However, I've been screwing myself over by strictly remembering what kanji compunds make certain words. I don't know the kun or onyomi readings of any kanji. But if it's a word I know like the one you gave me, 少年 , I can recognize it and read it "しょうねん". Obviously I know that one reading of 少 is "しょう" because of that but give me a compound I don't know and I am screwed.

I also don't know when to use certain readings. Some kanji like 今 have so many different readings that I just decided to remember the words/compounds themselves like 今日 being きょう and 今 being いま and 今晩 being こんばん instead of the multiple readings since I have no clue when to even use them.

Also about the mnemonics, I tend to mess those up too so I'm not confident at all in learning 1000s of mnemonics for Kanji.

Did I mess up big time?

Anyway, thank you for taking time to help me.

>>8797052
>Some kanji like 今 have so many different readings that I just decided to remember the words/compounds themselves like 今日 being きょう and 今 being いま and 今晩 being こんばん instead of the multiple readings since I have no clue when to even use them.
That's how you're supposed to do it. Sitting down and trying to will eight different readings for 日 into your head is pointless. That's why I stress the use of vocabulary to memorize kanji. It's way easier to remember readings if you can think of all the ways a kanji can be pronounced in compounds than trying to list them out of thin air. It can still help to have the information on your flashcards, but even native speakers never memorized all the readings of every kanji straight in a list. They remember readings by thinking of compounds. That's essentially what readings are: the different ways the kanji can be pronounced in actual use.

>Obviously I know that one reading of 少 is "しょう" because of that but give me a compound I don't know and I am screwed.
If you only know one reading for a kanji and you're trying to figure out how to pronounce it in a different compound, isn't it obvious that the kanji would be pronounced with that reading in the other compound as well? Granted, the first hundred or so kanji you learn will have shit tons of readings since they're the most common, but still, you have to remember it's the same kanji. Take what you learned from another compound and try to apply it to a different one. More often than not, you'll be right. There are way more kanji with one or two consistent readings than crazyass kanji like 今 or 日.

>>8797071
I see. Makes sense. So I'm going with this plan while I'm creating two decks,

One deck will contain Kanji only, and will be like what you said, and the second deck will contain compounds only.

With deck#1 I will try to remember some of the more prominent, common readings and skip out on multiple readings ones such as 今 and 日. It will contain individual kanji, all the ones I've learned so far which are about 100 total, I think. It will also have a general meaning that I will remember/study.

Deck #2 will contain compounds/words, which in theory should be much easier even if it highly multiplies the amount of studying to do. I have to do vocab anyway. Hopefully I'm not missing like a compound having two readings itself (have not come across that).

>>8797084
I really hope so. I was scared as hell because the first few kanji I learned had multiple readings and I had no idea how I was going to tackle it all. At first I thought it was two readings per kanji, one for it being alone and another for compounds.

So far it's getting better since but there are some kanji with 3 readings. quite a few actually and they mess me up.

So if I want to study Japanese; is there any good book or site i can learn something from ?

>>8797008
I started using physical index cards for my vocab and kanji and my retention is much better than when I just did decks and wrote things down once. I attest to this method as useful.

I didn't worry about kun and on because I learn that in vocabulary.

>>8797128
>Hopefully I'm not missing like a compound having two readings itself (have not come across that).
It happens, and it's not even always compounds. Usually one reading will be correct and one will be archaic, but some words will actually have two valid pronunciations. It's not common, but it happens and you just have to roll with it.

Characters like 上, 下, 中, 事, 付, and 来 confuse me deeply, will they make more sense when I learn vocabulary?

>>8775831
I'm only getting that far next semester. Right now we're omly learning how to distinguish different types of flora and talking a bit about active agents.

Sorry it took me so long to respond ;_;

>>8799285
What about them confuses you? I'm not seeing a common thread.

Reading and listening is great.
Its not so great to be able to read a book and yet have a 3 year old talk circles around you

>>8799285
I think you're trolling.
the only confusing one would be 事 if you had astigmatism

I am starting to get get puns in written text but I have a question: Do puns ever get funny? I hate puns in english so very very much but do they ever get funny as you learn more japanese?

hi, stupid be/g/inner here.
i want to be able to read japanese, i have started by memorizing all the kana but i don't knowwhere to go from here. i know nothing about kanji, grammar and words so what should i begin with? thank you

>>8802166
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=5322
see this.

>>8802182
also disregard core6k and kanzen master stuff.
start reading light novels with yomichan anki plugin after core2k completed.

>>8802198
thank you very much.

>>8802217
I also should mention reading light novels even very easy ones would be quite difficult. 2000 thousand vocabulary and 1000 kanji is not enough.

be ready for burnout.

your first light novel may take 1 month to finish.
try to read an easy series and keep to it for a while.

I suggest Maria sama ga miteru for a long, present day series with a relatively easy grammar.

Kino no Tabi might be a better appetizer though, since it's made of several short stories.
Very easy grammar (still would be quite hard for you) and relatively few vocabulary (don't try to memorize everything it has some obscure/weird words).

>>8802198

What's wrong with core6k and kanzen?

>>8802460
core6k: too much business words that could be learnt with real context through reading shit in japanese.

kanzen: tae kim would be enough for most stuff he will encounter while reading for a long while. kanzen would be an overkill for someone who is not studying for an exam. most of the advanced grammar occurs too rarely. not worth the effort for a beginner.
then I'm turkish and japanese grammar is somewhat similar to turkish, so take this part with a grain of salt.

>>8802490
It bothers me to see that how much my production abilities degraded when it comes to writing in english. I'm not a very good writer in turkish either. So, it's not that surprising for some one to suck at writing when he barely writes anything.

also
much>many

fuck punctuation.

I'm so bad at motivating myself. It's killing me that I've been doing this for so long, but it's not been very productive because I never do my reps.

Is SRSing as painful for me as is it for everyone else?

>>8802903
what exactly are you srs'ing?

>>8802916

Core 2k step 1&2 and Kanji.

>>8802934
1) how many cards do you add a day?
2) what's your leech threshold assuming you use anki?
3) how many reviews are scheduled for a day on average?
4) how do you rate your cards?

>>8802944

I only started the Core2k (relatively) recently, so it's mostly been Kanji. I stopped added cards because opening Anki is so fucking boring, but I added 5-50 depending on how lazy I was. Maybe 50-150 reviews a day.

I'm thinking it must be some sort of psychological thing.

>>8802954
1) how much time does your reviews take?
2) do you timebox?

1) unless you're writing shit (which I think you shouldn't bother), it shouldn't take more than 3-10 min to do your reps.


also try to pass shit with the space button when you're bored regardless if you get it correct or not. if you're not adding any new cards simple exposition would do fine.

btw when you mention kanji did you mean the whole rtk / jouyou kanji thing. it is boring and kind of useless in my opinion. doing something like rtklite is more rewarding and easier to do.

>>8802970

Maybe I'm slow, but reviews take me forever. I might possibly have ADD, so it's hard to focus, but aside from that I generally give myself 10 seconds to answer a cards. I think 100 cards usually takes me 20-30 minutes to review. I've experimented with timeboxing, but I usually feel that I don't get shit done by just working for "5 minutes", so the incentive to start at all is gone... basically like "why bother? 5 minutes is nothing and I'll have to do it 10 times".... so in the end I concluded getting them all done at once was the best option.

I do write when I barely pass something, or when I learn it for the first time.

And... I made maybe 3 attempts at RTK over 2-3 years (failing all of them. the furthest I got was 1100 kanji), so eventually I started over with RTK ultralite (555 kanji I think), and then did the Core2k Basic thing... which is where I am now for the past month or two. The thing is I can't give up Japanese though... I love it too much. Everything I do is Japanese related. I just hate the studying as if I have some odd disease.

>>8802990
studying IS boring. suspending cards is better than abandoning the ship.

I deleted my rtklite deck after I get all those little bastards to mature (>21 day interval).

then I completed core 2k minus 250-300 words I didn't like/ couldn't be bothered with. get them to mature and delete it.

In my opinion you should not bother with writing at all or write when you first learn something.

You're doing recognition cards, right?
Kanji to keyword
vocabulary to reading/meaning

>>8803007
>In my opinion you should not bother with writing at all or write when you first learn something.
what other option is there? Apart from bluntly doing the reps until you get it right

>>8803007

For Kanji I'm doing keyword -> Kanji, and for core2k I'm going kana -> kanji/meaning.

>>8803015

This isn't me, but it's a good question.

>>8803015
show failed cards in 10 minutes
set leech threshold to 6
add 25 new cards
usually gets most of them in 3 passes

you don't need perfect retention.

>>8803024
if you don't plan to handwrite japanese, you really shouldn't do that in my opinion. too much effort for little gain.

>>8803039

What is your typical study day like? When do you add cards and how many? When did you usually review and for how long?

>>8803056
well this has been what I have been doing half a year ago.

rtklite
do reps first thing after I turn on the pc. 5-10 mins
add cards when I feel like any time during the day, usually in two chunks (15+10). can take up to 15-35 mins without the waiting period.

core 2k (pure vocab no sentences and no audio)
the same only with 30 cards a day added.
don't remember how much it took.
I have a 3600 words deck nowadays I add words from stuff I read. do 0-100 words a day depending on how many reviews I need to do. trying to keep it under 200. takes 10 mins. I pass cards I can read, then pass if I can remember their meanings when they mature.

>>8803090

I dunno. You just seem really efficient.

>>8803096
recognition only cards with kanji in front combined with lax pass standards are not that difficult.

anki reps are mentally draining. necessary if you want to start reading stuff in japanese though.

suspend liberally and take them in little 5 mins chunks. that's the way forward.

>>8803015
Just write the kanji in the air with your dominant hand. I have finished RtK 1 and never bothered with writing on paper. My retention rate has always been +90%.

>>8803692

ah good idea. I've been using my DS to write them.

I'm in the 800's on Kanjidamage, but damn it is getting harder to learn new cards because I have more and more cards to review. I'm sort of tempted to just cut out all my old cards so i can focus on learning new stuff faster, though I'm not sure if that's wise. I wanted to have all the kanji in the deck done by June but that's not looking like it's going to happen.

>>8803928
> I'm sort of tempted to just cut out all my old cards so i can focus on learning new stuff faster,
Bad idea. You'll forget a lot of them. Just add less per day, or take a short break where you don't add any new ones and just review old ones.

>>8803929
This. Never stop reviewing due cards. They are always more important than new cards.

>>8803692
>>8803702
I use a tablet and photoshop (beacause shameless pirate anyway)
Guess I'l see what's best for me. Currently doing #215 in Kanjidicks. ... Oh God, the website design changed - why, the pink background was rad.

eroge everyday

Theoretically adding only new cards sounds better than reviewing old.

If you are deep in media enough, new cards will be abundant and cards you added but havent reviewed much will possibly be forgotten, but in the worst case, when they pop up again in media, you will enter a duplicate word.

Remember people have been learning languages for thousands of years without SRS.

For some reason Anki doesn't update that fast and my reps lag behind a few days after the new words. How can I manually add new cards to the deck until a specific index number?

>>8804639
>Remember people have been learning languages for thousands of years without SRS.

Yeah, except with SRS it takes you 1/10 of the time they spent doing it.

>>8805166
I don't understand how SRS works.
Am I retarded?

>>8805180
Probably. A better question is, does that bother you?

>>8805166
1/10 of the time? Only with 24/7 work for 2-3 years will you learn Japanese to a level where you can understand enough to read well. SRS wont help writing or speaking. Not usually listening either. You could achieve the same level without SRS in that time.

>>8805205
Kind of.
I want to learn.

>>8805207
> Only with 24/7 work for 2-3 years will you learn Japanese to a level where you can understand enough to read well.
In a much shorter time, you should at least reach the level when you can use reading aids like dictionaries to help you understand most the stuff.

At least that's what /jp/ has told me. He wouldn't lie!

>>8805212
>/jp/
>he

>>8805207
>SRS wont help writing

But it does. I'm beginning to think that you don't know shit about SRS.

I just want to be able to watch my JAPANESE ANIMES without needing subtitles.
I don't need this kanji shit, do I?

>>8805229
You just need vocabulary and grammar but you might as well learn the kanji along the way.

>>8805229
How are you going to learn vocabulary? There's no way without learning kanji, unless you're less than 6 years old and live in Japan.

>>8805224
SRS does not help writing directly. Sure, you could learn the strokes of kanji, but you would be doing that external of the SRS system. Also, writing kanji does not mean you can construct a meaningful, grammatical sentence. You know, the important part. You would be as good as a chinese person just starting to learn Japanese.

>>8805229
Plenty of Japanese folks get by without knowing how to write or read. However, they can live surrounded by people speaking the language. Since you arent likely to have that option, you need to be able to read so you can understand the meaning of words you hear but dont know. How are you going to look anything up if you dont know how to type and recognize it or have no one to ask?

Guys, I want to get IMMERSED in Japan, but I'm not a huge weaboo.
I've got anime down, now what?

>>8805269
Stuff where you'll listen to people talk like they would in real life.

>>8805281
But Japanese highschool girls hurt my brain.

>>8805287
Why do people use capital letters?

Why do they still use hiragana when katakana has everything the former has and more?

>>8805269
Find a proxy or VPN and listen to http://radiko.jp

>>8805249
>SRS does not help writing directly. Sure, you could learn the strokes of kanji, but you would be doing that external of the SRS system.

But that's wrong, you fucking retard. The whole point of using recall cards in SRS is to go from a keyword to kanji. This includes writing the kanji in your mind's eye, in the air, on a paper, and what-have-you. It's not external, it happens as you review your flashcards.

>Also, writing kanji does not mean you can construct a meaningful, grammatical sentence.

Nobody said they could. That's what sentence drilling and tae kim's guide are for.

I had 250-350 reviews daily while grinding through RTK but now it's quickly decreasing. Had only 170 today and looks like tomorrow will be even less. Going to read up a bit on grammar now but I'll wait a bit more before I start grinding sentences and vocabualry.

Beginner here. Finished my kana started learning kanji with anki and kanjidamage. Anything I should look out for ? Remembering onyomi, kunyomi and the translation seems like too much information for now. Any tips ?

>>8805830
kanjidicks is best because of its mnemonics.
>KAN
>Genghis KHAN published a weekly edition on how to dry out your sword.

>It was astonishingly dull.

>>8805830
read the goddamned thread first.

I'm pretty sure this has been asked ad infinitum, but how do /jp/ anons study their Kanji? Do you write the Kanji down and use it in a sample sentence?
Currently I'm doing Anki Kanji reps, but I find it rather monotonous just writing down the On/kunyomi for said Kanji every time I review.
What methods work best for you?

A'ight guys, I need a personal translator, please respond.

Aight, I may be slightly off topic, but if anyone knows it would be the good denizens of /jp/.
I want to copy some of the words from kanjidamage into another program but simply pasting yields odd symbols like these "􀳋􀳔􀨲􀍍" how do I go about changing those back into kanji, if at all possible?

>>8806347
Make sure your character encoding in the respective program is set to UTF-8 or Shift-JIS (depending on what the text originally was).

So what deck do you think is the best to start learning the first 1000 basic kanji?

And what should I be studying when I do the kanji, how to write and what they mean? Or the readings and what they mean? Or vocab only?

thanks

水曜日に私は一人で家で晩御飯を食べました。それから、テレビを見ました
。

Is this shit correct? I'm unsure about the grammar of 私は一人で家で

>>8806464
maybe 私は一人で家に
but don't pay me much attention, i don't know shit

>>8806507
As far as I know (I'm a beginner at Japanese) にis for telling time and where you are going etc: 家に帰ります = I'm returning home, while で is for where something takes place, like 家で晩御飯を食べます = I'm eating dinner at home.

But if you do it alone, does it become hitori de uchi de, or is it uchi de hitori de, or should the grammatical structure be something different?

I'm trying to learn japanese but I have no idea where to start. Can anyone point me to where I could learn the basics? Any kind of videos on youtube or some decent free site?

>>8806555
it might not be one big help in the long run, but this guy is probably the most entertaining way to start your language learnin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJ5wU4FamA&list=PL9987A659670D60E0&feature=plcp&context=
C4c6659aFDvjVQa1PpcFOuUAw5UXO5UWX9mU1_FLgJHRDgBJM595Q=

>>8806572
Thanks, aside from the weird ass music in the background this seems like it could be educational or at least a way into something.

>>8806528
If your question is hitorideuchide vs uchidehitoride, the answer is that it doesn't matter much, I think. AFAIK (I'm also a begginer), the verb is the only thing that must be at the end of the sentence, everything else can be in any order, even though some constructions are more commonly used.

>>8806464
I'm pretty sure it should be something like
水曜日は俺の家に独りで飯を食べた
I hope somebody that actually knows Japanese can tell which is better.

>>8806403

RTK lite.