/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Geez, did the game always run this fast? By that I mean, did your character always run this fast?

Also, is there a drop/learning rate patch for this version yet?

I like that game but it has some major bullshit, like new characters joining your party at level 1 even if everyone else is level 80 and random boss A.I. that sometimes just decides to spam it's strongest move and party wide dispel again and again. Still a fun game.

>>8704502
The update made your character run by default so you wouldn't be holding the run button the entire game.

>>8704537
We'll, I'll be disabling that then.
No, I meant it feels like your character moves faster. I don't like it.

If you're annoyed by the "2.08" in the title after updating, you can just change it manually in the system.ini.
Now, after updating to 2.09, fullscreen mode stretches the picture. Any way to solve this? 2.06 stayed at 4:3, and every other application too.
Well, I ragequit months ago at Yuuka's stage anyways, but I'd like a solution to the problem.

>>8704502

http://www.mediafire.com/?2e96axlmufyt31f

Learn/drop rate increase patch for 2.09.

Do the newest patches really fix all that crashing? You always have to wonder when it will crash again and to make matters worse it likes to crash after boss battles and before you can save. It even crashed right at the end of the epilogue, though it still saved that time. I thought i had to fight the final boss again...

>>8704580

In all the time I've played since the update (around stage 16 through about half of the post-game content), it hasn't crashed a single time, and it's not running in compatibility mode. You're probably safe.

>>8704580
The updates allowed me to do things that would always crash unless I was in 95 compatibility. It seems to follow that crashes that didn't always happen while 95 compat was on have gone away. Obviously it's a game so it might crash, but it seems like it's far far less likely to at the least.

>>8704496
The prepatch download is patched to 2.09, correct?

>>8704719
Yes. 2.09 in English.

best tank: Aya
best damage: Reisen
best heal: Sanae, duh

sluts dominate this game.

>>8704836
>best tank: Aya
>Aya
>not Alice

>>8704836
>best tank: Aya
What?

>>8704860
>>8704867
I was kidding, I said Aya because neither Alice nor Mokou are sluts.
But she's good in random encounters because of her Illusionary Dominance and Favorable Wind (Reflect Breath). Also, in a few fights like against a Hydra she's golden - reduce the enemies accuracy, buff your evasion and never get hit.

>>8704860
Endgame Aya is often a better choice than Alice, because of her insane evade. If you use the right formation, set up her evade+ field and buff and debuff nothing will ever hit her. She can't take many hits though...

>>8704877
>>8704882
I might have to use Aya in this playthrough. I really wanted to in my first, but I just couldn't find a use for her...

I loved this game, but my interest in it puttered out right after I beat Iku. I don't remember why.
It's so incredibly depressing to start playing again and not having a whole thread of people doing the same anymore. Does Mokou even post anymore?
Such a missed opportunity...I'll be sure to play the sequel with the rest of the pack when it gets translated.

>>8704895
Nobody forces you to rush. I myself was fucking around for about 18 months, it was just about a month ago that I beat that "pre expansion final boss". Now I'm somewhere in the "dark" Garden of the Sun and I stopped again.

You stopped after Iku? You got pretty far. The worst is still ahead of you, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF4FnkcsdIA
This makes people cringe when they think about those stages.

>>8704895
I was just about to mention, does anybody have any news about a possible translation for The Devil of Decline?

>>8704913
i hated the parts that forced you to split your party because i just trained one special team at the point. Some major grinding happened when i reached those levels...

>>8704923
thanks to the EXP system, it was not THAT bad too get underleveled through those parts.

But the balancing later on, as with Lithos and the final boss is horseshit. One is a pushover for 50s, the other rapes 70s without mercy? What the fuck.

>>8704920
In the works. The game is likely to get an expansion so no rush.

>>8704936
it took me ~16 tries to beat that boss, mostly because my main damage dealers were Youmu and Sakuya. One dispel and Youmu was useless and Sakuya only dealt minor damage and by the time i buffed again it was often to late. Also Youmu apparently had the nice idea to never attack twice in a row during that battle...

No one likes DoD. ;_;

>>8704953
I crafted a Kusanagi just so Mokou could rape her with a 40k Fujiyama Volcano.

captcha one painstar

>>8704913
If I had to guess...the three-way party split? Where you start fighting the original characters?

>>8704936
Were you/are you beating stage two before they finish their chant?

>>8704956
Pooshlmer does. But i am waiting until someone finishes a translation first. I don't want to play a RPG that i can't read at all...

>>8704961
I remember loving Mokou's sound effects in this game.

>fwoosh
>swish
>fushwing
>fwoosh fwoosh fwoosh
>VREEEEEEEEAAAAAAGH!!!

>>8704977
Certainly. That second phase is probably the one where most things can go wrong. I maxed out thunder land beforehand just so the stone shower wouldn't hurt me so bad.

>>8704987
my favorite was Sanae's frogstorm. She was rather odd as a damage dealer, though.

>>8704961
I didn't feel like grinding for that at that point. It took me long enough to get the one Rusty Blade i still needed for Youmu's sword with slayer on that boss. I had to so many of those slimes to get it...

>>8705014
*had to KILL so many*

derp

>>8704579
So how does this work? Can you adjust the rate yourself or does it just give it a boost? If the latter, how much?

>>8705062
>Drop rates are all over the place, since it changes per item or monster holding it. All of the drop rates were really really low. In general the rate was doubled. Of course this means changes from 2% to 4% or 4% to 8%. Lots of items dropped at .1% and are now .5% or more. I don't have a science for it, and I'm not too terribly happy about it. I didn't feel as good about increasing these as I did the learning

I don't know about learning rates. I can't find that post on pooshlmer

does anyone know the artist on OP's picture?
Saucenao failed me and boorus with the armpit tag just don't do the job

>>8705237
http://www.gensoukyou.org/bose02/game02/staff.html
小川ハリ様 I'd guess.

>>8705237
>boorus
>Reimu Hakurei
>armpit tag

Jesus Christ

>>8704541
>I'll be disabling that, then.
How?

Sorry if I'm asking silly questions, but about when should I start creating character specific weapons?
I'm currently at Muenzuka and I still can't create any weapons above 1 ★ rarity.

I downloaded the 2.09 patched version from the OP. When I try to run 東方蒼神縁起.exe, nothing happens. When I run it using AppLocale, the window shows up and then it crashes. Any help?

>>8705497
I'm not sure if you've got the same problem, but I forgot to convert my save files after applying the english patch.
Maybe that gives you some kind of hint?

>>8705494
talk to akyuu

>>8705502
I haven't played any previous versions and I didn't apply any patch. The only thing I downloaded was the prepatched version from the OP.

>>8705494
I didn't look very thoroughly as I now see that I can make a few ★★ weapons.
Still not sure if it's worth it.

>>8705497
Update directX/get directX 9.

thinking of playing this. can you recruit any touhou into your team up to subterranean animism? also, what's the starting party like?

>>8705532
I have directx 11 installed already.

>>8705557
You start with Aya, Reimu, Marisa, and Sanae. You can get Mokou and Byakuren immediately with a few tricks, and Sakuya, Nitori, and Patchouli join up after the first (read: short) dungeon.

SA wise you get Satori, who's a blue mage, after the third dungeon, and can recruit Yuugi much, MUCH latter. Post-game latter.

>>8705494
>>8705512
Don't worry about rarity, or even stats. Worry about effects. Slayers and good procs and stuff.

>>8705558
Get 9.
I've also heard that restarting the computer might help.

>>8705616
Installed directx 9. Restarted computer. I have yet to see the start menu.

>>8705662
did you extract the file in japanese locale?

>>8705662
Are you using Japanese locale? Did you instal it while in Japanese locale?

>>8705662
Ah I do suppose since you said you used applocale (never use applocale it's depreciated)you don't have your language for non unicode programs set to Japanese?Having it set to Japanese typically solves issues. If not that then I'm not sure.

>>8705683
>>8705684
>>8705685
Thank you.

>>8705701
I'd save the thanks until you get through cutscenes without crashing intermittently

>>8705601
Thank you, I got weapons for Satori and Youmu, they now tear everything into pieces.
I'm just worried about wasting Iron, will there be enough to use for other stuff later?

>>8705709
Probably not. Are you using the drop rate patch?

>>8705726
No, but I'm thinking that I should.
It would be more fun for me that way, after all.

>>8704579
How do I apply this patch?

>>8705768
Try renaming the patch to Game.pak, and then replace the current Game.pak file in the Packages folder

Sage because I really am not sure if I did this right

>>8704956
I loved that game, even though it's considerably shorter than GoS and the whole shikigami system still feels weird after two runs of it. I don't know, I just don't feel comfortable having 18 playable characters which are just masses of stats and have no (practical) skills at all. Last Words are cool, but way too random to be considered when you pick a team.
Also, it has the absolute best version of OUT so far. www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Y77Y7y1jA

>>8704967
>spoiler
Why are their designs so good? Even in DoD as well, they almost don't look like fan creations.

>>8705802
I dunno if you have to replace it. I was getting a lot of drops in SDM just from having it in the Packages folder.
Then I died...

>>8705851
It replaces the original game.pak so it needs to be renamed to replace it.

>>8705878
Are you sure?

My Genius of Sappheiros window loses focus every 2-5ish seconds. I'm just using the prepatched download I got off of the OP. Is this a known problem or anything?

I really want to play but I'm new to the whole downloading RPG's in parts thing. I extract all five parts then what? Is it simply just ready to play?

>>8706121
Yes
>>8706126
Haven't heard about that before. Could be your graphics card or something.
>>8706250
Download all 5 parts, only have to extract one of the files to get the whole game once you have all the parts. You'll need to be in japanese locale to run the game.

>>8706250
Extract them all at once and it should know what to do. Then just hit the exe file.
Be sure you've got Direct X 9 (Not 10, not 11. You specifically need 9) and that you're in Japanese locale before doing anything. And I mean anything.

>>8706255

Set my locale to JP but it doesn't start. The window opens for half a second, all black than disappears or crashes. What gives?

>>8706272
Were you set to Japanese when you downloaded it?

>>8706255
I did some messing around and even watched process explorer like a hawk to see if something was stealing the focus and closed everything else but GoS.

... It turns out, a simple restart was all I needed. How embarrassing.

>>8706278

Ah, I wasn't. I only set it to JP when I went to start it.

What's the learning curve like for this game ?

>>8706353
You'll want to read the manual to learn about land effects, the resistance symbols and how shields work. Bosses tend to be beaten with strategy/exploiting a weakness, rather than just grinding and beating on them. The stages themselves switch from being rather easy to being almost unfairly hard. Even the easy stages can have specific mobs that are hard to deal with. You often need to go overboard with counters in order to deal with tough situations. I've had to equip old/weaker number wise equipment for their effects/elements in order to win battles.

Sticking with the same party members (you'll want to level everyone) is a bad idea. In most rpgs I've been able to stick with a certain team and beat everything, this is not the case of GoS.

The only real grinding is for Satori's blue magic learning, and for some materials. The game is very long and will frustrate you at times, but fun.

>>8706379
Alright, thanks.

Suzaku Fan worth getting?
It's the one for Aya with [Breath Reflect: 50%]

>>8706549
The only fans I care about are the ones with +EVA, and I think Aya does well enough with just the weapons you find through the game.
Anyway, by the time you need to avoid taking breath damage, you will already have more than 25 power points, so putting them in her fan tree will not be a problem.

Mindflayer appreciation thread

>>8706584
The best kind of flayer!

>>8706584
>>8707559

Can't do shit with sanae in the party.

>>8707575
the later versions also deal significant MYS damage.
But yeah, they are a mainly a threat when your party isn't prepared for those fuckers.

Did anyone ever figure out what Aya writes on the ground when she gets KOed?

>>8708488
"dicks".

>>8708528
hard to tell. first character looks like 無.
second character impossible to read... maybe 念? munen (regret)

>>8708488
無念

hat party

>>8705062

Base learning rates were all increased by 5% (if you have Satori's learning tree maxed, it increases to 15%). This means that every skill now has at least a 15-18% chance of being learning, with the exception of Hyper Fang Crusher, which now has a 99% percent chance of being learned.

>>8705821

I was looking for an OST, couldn't find a download. I'm guessing this guy must've ripped the tracks right out of the game.

Bwahahaha, I completely forgot about this.

>>8708631
from pooshlmer
http://www.mediafire.com/?9ob99kocc3mc252

>>8708631
Here's the OST straight from the game. http://www.mediafire.com/?k69esttcs9rh4k5

I'm downloading the game, I have some questions.
First characters, which characters can I use?
What kind of RPG is this? SRPG or straight JRPG with tons of grinding?
Are there any weapon triangle, weakness or anything I should know?
The combat is real time or turn based?
any info actually might be helpfull, specially if thre is some kind of archive or thread I can read.

>>8708873
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros
answers most of your questions.

>>8708873
The game download has the translated manual in one of the folders. The touhou wiki also has some information http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros

>>8708881
According to that Remi is only playable on the expansion. Those the OP link comes with the expansion included?

>>8708974
I assume yes. Patches 2.x refer to the expansion.

There are no real changes to the main game. The new content starts after you beat the final boss of the main game.

If you beat the final boss that cunt.

I never realized you could find Marisa's house in the third stage. But why isn't there anything to do there?

>>8708981
Wait what!? Ican't use Remi or Reisen until I finish the game? Well fuck there goes my favourite character and another character i like a lot too.

>>8709119
You have to beat the original game's story to get to the expansion's story where those characters are gained. So not the whole game but you wont have them for awhile.

Fuck, I completely forgot how to beat Alice.

>>8709606
I don't know how I made it through but what I did was use Nitori, Sakuya, and Marisa for my strategy. Marisa's multi-target water spell will take care of the shield line-up by itself. If you use Water Chaser with Marisa's multi-target spell, Nitori will take care of the melee dolls. For the four doll line-up that heals and casts spells, I had to have Sakuya take them out one by one with instant death skills while my other members whittled down anything else. That's just how I got through it though.

>>8709649
and if that is too stressful, you can just keep one defensive doll alive and beat Alice slowly but safely.

Just be sure to destroy that doll in the same round Alice dies, or you're in for a nasty surprise.

>>8709649
>>8709663
I was referring mostly to the melee trio of dolls. I didn't remember what to do for that wave, so followed the walkthrough's advice and hit them with elemental spells. Aguni Shrine did a whopping 8 damage.
Sakuya ended up muscling through it eventually, but ugh, how can you get things that wrong?

>>8709675
I figured that fight out wholly by accident. I got the shield line-up twice in a row in my first two attempts so I assumed I could just keep doing Marisa's multi-target water spell with Nitori's Water Chaser and be fine. My jaw dropped when I saw it do like 8 damage to the melee dolls and then my heart stopped when Nitori one shot them with her water chaser. Tearing down the four doll line-up was actually the hard part for me.

The game crashes when I load my save. What's going on? It was working fine 10 minutes ago.

Does 2.07-2.09 add anything besides stability? I've played all the way up the final boss and didn't have crashes at all for the latter half of the game. In fact it seemed that running without compatibility mode worked the best as well.

>>8710370
It ported the game to the DoD engine, made it less of a resource hog and more stable. No real gameplay additions or changes though so no reason replay the game if you've beaten it.

...what is that?

Any news of Gensomaroku being translated yet?

bump

>>8710759
Hopefully it won't.

>>8711949
Hopefully it will.

Does that drop rate patch really work? I've barely seen any difference.

How the fuck do I beat Iku?

She always goes before me with the instakill bullshit before Reimu can cast barrier.

>>8713264
use Sonic Stream formation

>>8713281

oh my god thank you

>>8713339
Seriously? I was kidding, that formation is awful for bosses. Reimu barriers should work at the beginning of the round with their skyhigh priority. Just keep trying.

>>8713349

What? I already beat her with it, I was stuck on Iku for like half a year or something

>>8713356
You were stuck on IKU for half a year?
Oh man. Have fun with Tenshi.

>>8712401
I'm seeing more rocks and iron and stuff, which is nice, but no increase in other stuff, which isn't.

Why is this even possible.

>>8713457
someone post a pic of 9 blue tentacles in stage 10

How do I apply the 2.09 patch?

>>8713467
Two blue death birds is really fucking hard, but the 9-man rape squad is just plain unfair. There's just no excuse for it.

I need to play this. I've had it downloaded for like 6 months

>>8713491
As soon as I made that post, my computer crashed. Of course I had GoS playing in the background, so I lost my progress into The Netherworld and 2 lucky material drops with it, along with some equipment.
I wasn't even fighting those 9 pieces of shit and they killed me.

Okay, I'm pretty awful at jRPGs in general and am sorta derping my way around, got to the end of Stage 2 but can't beat the boss fight quite yet.

Potential reason: I haven't invested a single POW point on any character, because I don't wanna fuck up.

Currently using Trickster, reimu fronting, marisa in back, reimu has a short sword, aya has a javelin, sanae doesn't do shit for damage and is healbotting, marisa just casts spells at anything that moves. I'm indecisive about investing into weapon trees since I half-expect the game to get so hard you're fucked if you're not using signature weapons, and I dunno if there's a max level or anything where I'd suddenly find myself stuck with worthless characters who can't be fixed.

tl;dr am I right in being paranoid about fucking up my POW investments?

>>8713506
Hahahaha!
Don't worry about investing POW. You can redistribute it at any time; it's not permanent.

>>8713506
You can adjust your skill points any time you want.

>>8713506
You can respec whenever you want to, freely. And should, depending on the situation.

>>8713517
>>8713512
>>8713513

Haha now I look even more dumb. I noticed I could remove points while in the menu but assumed it was because I hadn't exited the menu yet so it wasn't confirmed. Thanks. Time to dump all my points into silly things.

Are stat increases from levels completely random or are they based on actions taken/positions taken in formations? it seems like Reimu is getting lots of Vit and Marisa is just getting loads of Int but I couldn't find information on whether that's just because of who they are, or if how I use them influences it as well.

>>8713536
I think it varies based on character. I don't think you can screw up levels by having characters in bad positions or anything.
The only way you can screw yourself up is if you synthesis recklessly. Materials are scarce and stay that way throughout the game. That doesn't mean you shouldn't synthesize at all, just that you should be careful. Does Sakuya really need a new two-handed sword? Is Patchy really going to do that much better with a book than with a staff?

alright, I said before that Reisen is the most ballin' outta control in terms of damage, Mokou coming second - who is your favorite touhou for fucking shit up?

It used to be Sakuya, but those asshole bosses dodge all her stuff when they're not in Private Square...

Youmu is sort of luck based with her crits.

Not sure yet about Remi/Yugi

And another thing; leave dungeons often. Whenever you find a shortcut or get a rare drop (like a material), turn around, leave, and head back to the shrine for healing. This is because any items you pick up in a dungeon aren't actually added to your inventory until you get back to the world map; and if you die, you lose them. Any stuff from chests will go back to where you found it, but stuff dropped by enemies is gone for good unless they drop it again latter on.
Backtracking is annoying, but it's nowhere near as bad as dying late in a dungeon and losing all your stuff.

We all know which dungeons suck, but what about the opposite? Which levels does /jp/ like the most?

>>8713724
The final one in the main game is pretty nice when it comes to layout and design. It has a looping floor and unique music that plays even during the battles on that floor. Also, the monsters on that floor are all pretty fun to fight, except for those mindflayers. The fact that monster disappear if you run away makes hunting for specific enemys on that floor a bitch though...

>>8713753
really? Gorgon Barrier got on my nerves.

While the first part of Underlake Temple was infuriating, it was kind of an exciting experience.
Garden of the Sun was cool too, with its look and music.

>>8713637
Using Yuugi for max damage in dungeons can be annoying, because she tends to run out of Bombs or MP pretty fast. If set up with the right items and buffs, her Berserker Soul and single hit moves and can really hit for massive damage though.

>25 Perfect Maid When naked, gain PDEF proportional to LV

Is this ever usefull at any point in the game? It just seems like a waste of points since armor usually has good extra effects...

>>8713832
It gives you an excuse to make Sakuya run around naked.

>>8713832
Oh if only Byakuren had that.

>>8713865
Wait, do the sprites enter nude mode when you remove the armor?

>>8714008
Of course not.

When are you able to make the Final Tier weapons?

Why is Muenzuka so dull? How can you put such a boring dungeon after something as awesome as Hakugyokurou?

>>8705591
>You can get Mokou and Byakuren immediately with a few tricks

I'm about to start playing for the first time, and I want to get Mokou and Hijiri, but I don't wanna use a guide and spoil the story. So could someone tell me just the part about how to get them early on?

>>8714348
For Mokou, got to the bamboo forest maze and do the Konami Code with the paths. You'll run into Mokou; talk to her and she'll join.
For Byakuren, go the Myouren Temple, talk to Murasa, and wait for a full 60 minutes. Byakuren will return and join up.

>>8714359
Interesting. Are there tricks like this to get other characters early on, or is it just for those two?

>>8714375
Just those two. Everyone else is a boss before you recruit them, so it wouldn't really work.

>>8714375

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros/Miscellaneous

People are saying to use Sanae or Reimu to defend against Mind Flayers. Which skills are the ones to use?

>>8714746
Reimu would use evil sealing circle to block permanent effects like paralysis and death for a turn, and Sanae would use her RES buff to boost your resistance to them.
Both are costly; Sanae's eats up a ton of mana, and Reimu's costs bombs. Don't rely on them to much.

>>8714764
I see, thanks.

>>8713536

Raw stat increases are static for each character. As in, someone's level 99 Reimu will have the same base stats as another person's level 99 Reimu, so just keep leveling up everyone.

Counter-spam. Up.

>>8715296
I think you're suffering from delusions again.

>>8715337

I think you're delusional by making such an absurd unwarranted statement. Funny (read: sad) how you convicted yourself.

remember me?

What party should I use for Bhava-Agra?

Marisa and Patchy barely do damage now ;_;

>>8717259
when in doubt, look up the bestiary and look up weaknesses.
You should include Youmu and Mokou from time to time, so they can unload their nukes until they run out of bombs.
Another thing you could try is exploiting Satori's permanent spells, like Mind Blast, Wail or Petro Breath. Give her Launch Earrings and pair her with Byakuren to give her Hyper Trigger for maximal effect.

Am I the only one afraid this is going to shatter my mental image of Gensokyo?
How canon friendly is this?
Does it leave stuff to the imagination or for example, there is a defined world map and you can explore locales in its entirety? are the characters too verbose?

>>8717369
Jesus fuck it's not even an established thing.
It's like complaining that Super Mario RPG ruins Mario for fleshing out the Mushroom Kingdom.

>>8717400
>It's like complaining that Super Mario RPG ruins Mario for fleshing out the Mushroom Kingdom.
It kinda does
Please answer my question...

>>8717410
>It kinda does
You fat nigger.

>>8717410

>>8717417
Cool.

How do Nitori's chaser skills work?

>>8717586
I'd like to know this too. She's been kind of useless for me.

>>8717586
Nitori activates chaser at the beginning of the round.
Someone uses a corresponding skill: Water spell - water chaser
Nitori follows up with an attack of her own.

Use a sweeping party of Marisa, Patchouli, Satori, and some other guy like Sanae or Cirno, activate a specific chaser and have everyone cast area effect spells of that element. Enemies very dead. Later on, you get more chasers.

>>8717413

>>>/b/

stupid question. But is it possible to play in LAN? (still downloading)

Do Flames really cast Flame? They just use Fire Stone and normal attacks for me.

>>8718604
they should. In my opinion though you should just go on, area spells like those are learned randomly from one of the many monsters who use it. It's not that useful anyway.

>>8718279

>>>/hm/

>>8718631
I like my Satori versatile, and Flame's the best (read: only) fire AoE for a while.
Is there a comparison of the different Satori spells strength-wise anywhere? Even the game doesn't give any info on them besides their element and range.

>>8718687
not sure, but in my opinion Satori's useful spells are not those with raw power, but with variety/permanent efffects - like Mind Blast or Acid Storm, because she has POW skills which improve those.
I use Acid Storm a lot more than, say, Tsunami, despite the latter dealing more damage.

Thank you OP, I was looking for this game since awhile but most places and links were either dead or MU.

Just one silly question: does it require to run with Win95 compatibility mode?

>>8718712
oh yeah, Tsunami also has variety debuffs - but the dealbreaker is the lower mana cost of Acid Storm and the requirement of low Fire Land.

>>8718734

The newest version is much more stable. It seems like most people are not experiencing crashes anymore and do not have to run in compatibility mode - try running it without it first.

>>8718712
Hmmm...that's not a bad idea. I'll have to try that this time; in my earlier (unfinished) playthrough I tried to use like the other mages, with all her POW in the learning tree and staves.

>>8718687
i almost never use Satori to attack. Petro Breath and Mind Blast are the only move she needs to mess up the enemy most of the time. If you give her some IND+ items and the Cockatrice Crest, you can prevent almost any enemy from ever attacking you and just autobattle your way to victory.

>>8718759
those permanent effects are generally pretty awesome. Dagger Sakuya or Fist Mokou constantly pop some effects even without IND gear. And once you get your hands on Reisen, ... enemies turn into pic related.

Either way, Satori chews through mana really fast. I like using her regardless, but ugh.

>>8718813
as soon as you have the mandatory 25 points in Learning, drop a few in "3rd eye". Not the weapon skill.

>>8718818
So I need a mandatory 25 (well, 20 if I'm not spell hunting) in learning, some in 3rd eye to boost her mana, AND some in her status trees to boost her status effects?
Geez. Satori's holding on to that white lance for the whole damn game.

All my other magic users have points in staves to help them regain mana mid-dungeon. 1 mana per turn and 1-2 from each normal attack doesn't sound like much, but I felt it added up. Do you think it would be worth having Satori do the same, considering her abnormally high cost spells and need for POW elsewhere?

>>8718687
The Japanese wiki for the game has strength values.
http://www26.atwiki.jp/touhou_souzin/pages/236.html
Scroll down to satori.

>>8718882
>1 mana per turn and 1-2 from each normal attack doesn't sound like much
These type of skills are pretty worthless once you are past garden of the sun.
Just swap out the touhou without mana when it happened. You should never stick with a fixed group anyway.

>>8718943
Oh, really? I knew you should use all the characters, but I didn't know you should mess around with them mid-dungeon. I usually picked 5 and stuck with them all the way, or at least half way, unless some Touhous really weren't cutting it.

>>8718983
later dungeons will be almost impossible if you don't swap party member or run away from almost every battle.

>>8718998
Define "latter."

>>8718983
You have 12touhous and basically they are all useful.
For example, I always have marisa,patchy and nitori together.
But of course certain dungeon Sanae is a must with
the res buff.
Even Aya is useful once you get her breathe reflect.
You can always swap your damage dealer around.

>>8718998
Define "later."

>>8719058
anything in the expansion.
Also dungeon number 18 in the normal game forces you to split your party into 3 groups. Things will get messy if you only trained one group at that point.

I'm having an issue trying to get the game to run, anyone know what might cause this?

>>8720639
Get Direct X 9. Not 10, not 11, 9.
Also, were you in Japanese locale when you downloaded it? When you extracted it?

>>8720639
Could be any of this
>>8705684
>>8705616

>>8718998
what I did was constantly running to a circle in another dungeon. (Using the shrine circle resets monsters If I'm not mistaken)
Running outside often is recommended anyway due to losing drops. It's somewhat annoying I admit.

>>8717602
Also, two noteworthy things about it:
- If you chase a multi-hit attack (Nitori learns sword/lance/axe/everything chanser later on), Nitori will hit the same amount of times with her chaser. So, for example, Sakuya uses knifespam and hits 3 times, Nitori chases it and hits 3 times.
- If Nitori chases an attack from someone who can attack twice in a turn (like Marisa with enough points in her magic growth tree, Sakuya, Youmu, Mokou, etc), that someone will never strike twice that turn. I think there's a video proving this on YouTube but I don't remember its title or whatever.

Also, something about Satori that I somehow missed is how her personal weapons (eyes) don't boost the damage of a certain element, but instead work just like the somewhat elemental weapons in this game (so, they get their damage and then do a percentage of that element using the element, which might even deal extra or no damage at all).
Not sure if it's obvious and I was just too retarded to notice, but eh.

And speaking of weaknesses, going back to GoS after the delicious (although somewhat weird) battle UI in DoD, with its shining damage indicating weaknesses and all, is kind of annoying.

>>8721218
welp, I would say that such weakness indicators are not necessary. The numbers alone should be enough to tell if you made the right choice.
At least there's the screen flashing: red when critical, green when slayer effect, yellow when both at the same time.
You will see a lot of yellows when this bad mother is in your hands.

Out of the 4 starting touhous which one would be best for soloing the game?

>>8722296
>soloing
Not a chance in hell for any of them.

>>8722307
Can Mokou do it?

>>8722329
>Not a chance in hell for any of them.

>>8722338
Can Mokou do it?

>>8722352
>Not a chance in hell for any of them.

>>8722385
Can Mokou do it?

>>8722390
>Not a chance in hell for any of them.

>>8722390
No.

>>8722393
Can Mokou do it?

YES MOKOU CAN DO IT SHUT UP

>>8722403
Can Mokou do it?

>>8722403
If it doesn't work, I'm blaming you.

>>8722307
>>8722329
>>8722338
>>8722352
>>8722385
>>8722390
>>8722393
>>8722394
>>8722398
>>8722403
>>8722406

>>8722421
That made me burst out laughing.

>>8722296
Sometimes, in my dream, I imagine Reimu kicking everyone's ass...
In my dream...

>>8722421
you ain't even trying.

>>8722638
Mokou is overpowered in the early game. You can beat Patchy and Sakuya with only normal attack without grinding. Can Mokou solo Alice though?

>>8722663
>Mokou is overpowered
fixed!

>>8722663
Probably...maybe...she'd need some specific equipment and have to be strong enough to burn through Alice's dolls alone, but she could probably do it. Maybe.
Can't forget about Alice's 25-turn time limit.

>>8722676
How is Mokou overpowered?
I'm not trying to say the she isn't, it's just that I haven't gotten far into this game and I want to know what she can do.

Why is Komachi so easy?

>>8722940
you don't need to be far in the game to see that she melts face. Until you reach the expansion and get the really broken characters only Youmu is more brutal.
I just can't explain why she has a 0-cooldown physical move dealing massive damage a.k.a. Fujiyama Volcano AND tanky capabilites (almost) rivaling those of Alice AND the best commander ability&bonus.

>>8723292

My Mokou is level 40 and doesn't have that move yet. I'm at the end of Stage 15 and my most useful party members are Alice (I have her in my party 24/7), Patchy, Marisa and Sakuya

I neglect everyone else almost, only putting them in Commander slot to get exp ;_;

>>8723342
put the weak touhous with Youmu.
Meditation Slash should end pretty much any battle.

Alternatively, use Satori to paralyze/petrify your enemies for an easy battle.

The garden of the sun freaks me out and I don't know why. I walk in there and just suddenly feel like I need to change around my party and their equipment and growth and aaaugh,

>>8722940

mokou @ level 60-65.

Is there a guide to the elements? they are in japanese and I Can't tell if either which is which

>hyper armor
>insufficient bombs
>magic shell
>insufficient bombs
>modified strawdoll kamikaze
>insufficient bombs
>create doll
>insufficient bombs
gg
Mokou level 10 and 17 power. Used the vending machine weapons.

>>8723698
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros/Gameplay

>>8718646

Keep crying, boy. If you post /b/ behavior you're going to get redirected.

>>8723734
Alice needs bombs to do stuff?

Is Youmu any good initially? Sakuya really seems to outperform her.
I've heard she gets better later on, about when exorcism starts to matter, but...
Oh, and about exorcism, can you tell what has...uh...the barrier that exorcism pierces?

>>8725026
Going by pure DPS, Youmu is superior in everyway.
I use Sakuya with knifes/dagger like you are supposed to so her damage is pathetic.
I am using her with her IND skill tree.
Instant death every other turn.

>>8725059
And when am I going to see that "superior DPS?"

>like you are supposed to
What.

>>8725078
If I were to hazard a guess, he's not referring to gameplay mechanics

>>8725078
I am pretty sure you played PCB. Sakuya doesnt use a claymore. I have no fucking idea why Strawberry Bose put that as her main weapon.

Are you using Youmu right? She is probably my best melee DPSer in the game.
She is the only character that can consistently beat those fucking Angel.

>>8725184
Well, in this game she uses two-handed swords, and absolutely rapes everything she touches when she's got one. Full Moon Revenge is amazing.

>>8725078
Youmu is sort of low tier for regular encounters in that if you set your party up for quick nuking, she'll be outpaced as long as you can kill everything in the first turn.

In the later stages it becomes near impossible for that to happen however which is when she really starts to shine. That and bosses. Basically her stance skills can do some ridiculous damage, but you have to waste a turn to get into a stance in the first place. They also have somewhat long cooldowns generally as well so you might not get to use her best skills more than once in a single fight depending on how long it lasts.

Basically the longer a fight lasts, the more you notice Youmu's damage. Also, things with divine barrier are the foreign gods. You see those somewhat rare Angelic and Demonic enemies that appear alone or with each other usually? Those are Foreign Gods. They become incredibly threatening late in the game, but so does everything else really. They do shitloads of damage and take nearly none in return most of the time. In the lategame, you'll pretty much be relying on Youmu to take them out in any manner that resembles speed.

Also Sakuya's signature weapon is knives, but those are a generic weapon in this game so her signature weapon with unique skill tree became 2 handed swords. Generic weapons are pretty shit tier in general besides axes, staves and Kusanagi. Sakuya is the other damage dealer in the game, her specialty is that all of her swords have a different type of slayer. Which is befitting for a hunter type person. Certain swords of hers can help massively with bosses like her 2nd tier sword against Tenshi.

Generally, the most popular weapons to craft during a regular playthrough are Nitori's, Youmu's, Sakuya's, and Mokou's. All the mages do better with staves generally and Patchouli is just better off with axes if you're going melee with her.

>>8725218
I see. Thanks.
About when is this big difficulty spike I keep hearing about anyway? Is it before or after the dread three-party split?

>>8725231
Once you start fighting caster and the medusa sisters, the aoe element nuke and chaser cease to work well.
Not only that you will probably even start having to use Alice tanking skill for scrubs or breathe reflect and sanae +res every turn.
Almost every dungeon later has upgraded mind flayers and ninja with petro bomb or some kind of aoe breathe.

>>8725231

There is no difficulty spike anymore. If you played the game back when it was still in moonrunes and had to work with shitty Google translations for everything along with all the bugs and broken boss fights back in the earlier versions, then you would have noticed where the difficulty spike was.

>>8724436
Apparently, but she must have used around 100 bombs in that fight before running out.

What does the different stats do?

Is it
DEX= defense
STR= damage
and what the sam hill is POT?

>>8704496

How do you use the patch files?

>>8725757
VIT is for defense.
what POT does, no one really knows. I thought it increased critical chance, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I would know, I slaughtered everyone about 3 times in stage 3 just autoattacking using different POT accessories.

>>8725757
POTential, It increases resistance

Mokou level 15 power 21
tentacle rape awaits

>>8726919
is there anything Mokou can't do?

>>8727876
See why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

>>8726919
i actually think you can make it all the way to Eientei with Mokou solo.

>>8727922

>>8727922
I don't think she could survive Medicine's poison without a healer.

>>8726919
maybe with maximum fire land regen, though i don't remember how strong her poison is.

>>8727922
Theoretically without party splits it would be possible to play the game only with Mokou through sheer luck if you're incredibly lucky with her auto revive until you get to a boss that heals more than the damage she does. However the first boss that would possibly present this problem is Satori due to the fact she has land healing for most of the battle and a full heal whenever she goes water mode.

Looking at her skill list as a boss it's a wonder why she joins the party with none of those spells she had when fighting you.

Albino team(Moko,Saku,Mu) = Best team

No mongrels allowed

>>8726919
Do you still use a commander or is it really just Mokou? Sanae as a commander might help out in the later battles, because of her healing spell

The Wiki mentions Vivian's Excalibur and Ultima Weapon in the weapons sections and says that you can acquire them via Synthesis.

I am at the Final Boss in the expansion and i still can't make them. Dou you have to beat the final boss to get them or is the wiki just wrong?

>>8727975
Up until now no other characters have been used for anything.

Satori seems to be too hard for solo Mokou, any exploits that I don't know of? Excessive grinding would be so boring.

>>8728310
I don't think there are any exploits and the only tipps i have are to never attack her if she uses Water mode at the beginning, since she will just heal anything at the end of it and to have res against petro-cloud. I don't think you will make it without some grinding or luck. If you can deal enough damage with some critical hits and she never uses water mode, you might win.

Actually, attacking her while she's in water mode could be a good idea because your spells will deal a bit of extra damage to her.

>>8728364
it's the best bet to attack her in water mode, but i doubt that one can deal enough damage if she starts with water mode. One would just waste MP, because she will just heal everything. If she uses it later in battle, the only choice will be to go all out or to reload.

>>8728073
If I remember correctly, you have to actually fight the boss to get the recipes. Doesn't matter if you win or lose.

>>8728533
Just tried that and it worked. Thanks

Can somebody please translate what it says here in the config? Thanks.

>>8727956
Because she doesn't care enough. You DID force her to come with you, you know.

>>8728994
I don't remember exactly what does what, but with just Rikaichan and/or Google Translate you should be able to understand the official page about it.
http://www.gensoukyou.org/bose02/game02/config.html

>>8728994
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

Why does DoD feel so much more rewarding?

>>8729212

How long would I have to play this game to get Okuu to join my party? Cause she's the only reason I'd play it untranslated.

>>8729369
She is one of the first Touhou's you get if you do Yukari's or Reimu's route. Not sure about Meirin's and Byakuren's routes, but it's probably the same.

>>8729386
For those two, you just have to find her in the back of the fiery cavern in the second layer. Not hard at all.

Well I've completely exterminated every mob in the Gorgon Barrier again after having done it months ago to grind my characters into the 60s from low 50s. Still haven't encountered the rare tree monster and final Devil Minotaur. I've managed to beat every other rare mob except for Crom Camugh and Marisa Madura.

A very good party for Gorgon Barrier grinding seems to be Alice, Mokou, Youmu, Satori(with starlight barrier and refresh), and Marisa(replaceable I guess).

It seems capable of taking on every single regular possible mob encounter with ease in the Gorgon Barrier. And I tried a lot of party compositions when I was still trying to level everything evenly. Going little legion first turn and starlight barriering and hourai doll second turn is a lot safer than just using hourai doll first turn. Can't be screwed over by first turn evolution breaths or mind blasts. I've gotten every normal mob equipment drop besides for high ribbon and plasma knife.

Time to take on the Gorgon sisters again with a party in the 60-70 range now after months of not playing.

The only boss in the game that's forced me to grind is the final one strangely enough. Managed to beat Lithos in the low 50s and I was getting triple experience from stuff in the Barrier back then. Let's see if I can win and finally move on to the post-game stuff then after that DoD when it gets translated.

>>8729212

because you get the most haxxored characters in your party. GoS only has 1 stage 6 boss and 1 exboss in the party.

also, who's that supposed to be next to nazrin? and the one next to lunasa? are they original characters?

>>8730360
Those Shikigami are original characters, yes. And there are so many of them. You have a chance of recruiting enemies that you defeat, and they become usable Shikigami. I try to not use them because most of them are severely overpowered, and most of the Touhous pale in comparison to them. But the final boss in the game is borderline impossible if you have a bad setup. I barely beat her with this team all at level 70, while someone else cleared the final boss with a team of level 40 - 50's.

>>8730360
Garbangol and Backfire.
Enemies from GoS and some of the older games.

You can recruit some of the enemies in this game once you get Satori I think.

>>8730339 here.
I won first try, I really should've been done last year.

Also this is really corny.

>>8730468
>>8730474
Why you no spoilers.

>>8730483
Because this game's been fully translated for half an year and already has a sequel.

Aren't Alice's doll canonically non-sentient? This scene takes different meaning when you view it as Alice talking to herself. Also this ending is long.

That probably the toughest 6 turns of the entire game. Whew. Gotta say I enjoyed this game more than GoS. Hoping for an expansion soon.

>>8730576
dem tits.

>>8730576

Durarara!

so guys, post helpful defeat hints

>>8730663
Why would you fight him with that party? Were you tying to get everyone killed?

>>8730670
kinda... I was hoping for a snarky comment I guess

>>8730576
All I remember from that fight was my constant Saint Chaser spam with the light land on maximum, and even then I barely made it. All the way back in 1.05 or something, and everyone was around level 40, I think, because I got bored of grinding.
Maybe I should give her another try.
>>8730663
Pretty much everything after a certain point in the game is "oh wow these enemies are strong". dasd

What is the point of Mokou's tier three fist? Doesn't great confusion do the same thing as silence but better?

>>8732213
it's actually damn good if I believe that other Anon.

Great Confusion prevents one from using ANY skills, magic or physical. Only auto attack is still possible.
I don't know if it also blocks on-hit effects like the stupid mindflayer instant-death, though.

I ran the 2.07 .exe, guided it to the correct folder, and got this message. Opened the game and it still says 2.06.
What am I doing wrong?

>>8732235
You can only patch over the japanese version of the game. Use the .paks in the backup folder to return it to japanese then patch.

>>8732222
Yeah, I know. I meant that why would you ever want her tier three fist, which silences, over her tier two fist, which causes great confusion.
Does the silence fist proc more? Can greatly confused enemies still use whatever attack they had set up for that turn the turn when you confuse them?

>>8732289
if it procs more, I don't know.
But I'm pretty sure that the latter isn't the case, once the permanent affects them they can't do shit. While it lasts, they will still attempt to use their skills and essentially lose turns.

Fuck that last boss pre-expansion, seriously

>>8732311
get that baby
>>8721244
and you will fuck that boss.

>>8732370
I'd rather get Youmu's Doujigiri Yasutsuna instead, as her Katana growth tree is much better than the sword tree.
If you're not going to use her as your main damage dealer for whatever reason or if you have plenty of Iron at your disposal, then I guess you could go for that one.

What the FUCK am I supposed to do in Satori's palace?

If I don't win half the fights on turn 1, they just turn into me getting endlessly paralyzed and charmed until my party punches themselves to death. The only thing I can do is keep running to abuse how the game re rolls enemy parties every time you encounter them.

>>8733009
Use Sanae RES up, even Marisa says so when you get killed by a bunch of mind flyers

>>8732888
>>8730468 here.
That katana worked for me, should work for you. Honestly, how the hell would anybody even have enough iron for kusanagi by the final boss? Both Sakuya's and Youmu's weapon trees use them and they're quite possibly the best weapon trees.

I basically followed the wiki's strategy on beating the final boss. Spec Mokou and Youmu for as much damage as possible. Use Aya to dodgetank the first form with Satori and Reimu supporting. I decided to give Marisa purely fire and electric spells and gave Satori a single target fire spell instead of ice spell purely to build up fire land to help Mokou's Fujiyama Volcanoes. Also opted for plasma ball instead of thunderclap as well since you can't even use thunderclap if you're casting starlight barriers. I gave Mokou both fire amulets, Shuten-Douji's Bracer, another damage accessory, salamander breastplate and the one-hit fist. I set her power for damage, bombs, and decreasing cooldown for continuous Fujiyamas on Lithos. If you do the first form right you can take it out in about 3 sister loops. Faster if Mokou procs double hit with her Fujiyamas.

For the second form, use any Fujiyamas Mokou has left then switch to the next party. You want to buff Youmu like a fucker as she's your main damage dealer. I equipped her with Doujigiri, Demon Shield, one of her personal armors, better damage accessories including a rage choker IV I crafted and a ribbon. As long as you use Alice right which you should know how to with how much you probably used her throughout the game, you should have little trouble with the second and last form as long as the sisters don't dispel Youmu. With Amplifying Scroll, Wind of Swords, and Dark Sword she will do damage as seen in my earlier screenshot.

>>8733009
>If I don't win half the fights on turn 1
Which is very possible. Hit weakness every time you can.
Sanae can buff your RES, but it's pricy. I made do with res-boosting items and status guards and stuff.

>>8733009
>>8733470
Yeah, once you get into the dynamic of trying to win every fight as quickly as possible, you're a step into how this game works. Either that or using Alice.

Basically, you're eventually going to reach a point where nearly every encounter is capable of fucking you up. So you have to fuck up the enemies before they fuck you up. It also doesn't help that the majority of your team is comparable to a wet paper bag. You'll eventually come to love Alice as she pretty much makes all party compositions workable to a point. She's also pretty much necessary for a large portion of bossfights as well. Don't ever expect her to be doing any damage though. She has a damage tree, but I'm not sure if anybody actually uses it. Some people also get her boots with daze on them and give her the multi hit attack so she can try to daze enemies whenever she has the time to.

She is incredibly tanky with the right equips. She can manage to survive things that would take out party members at 1/5 strength which she frequently does if you little legion against breath attacks a lot. She even managed to survive an evolution breath meant for the whole party while I was grinding for the final boss. It's kind of funny if you imagine some of the battles Alice has in a form different than what you see. Like a giant or oni using one of its super attacks which OHKO other team members on her while she just goes nope at them with Holland Dolls. It's kind of ridiculous.

I feel like i kinda cheated on Alice. I died the first few times figuring out her formations but the last time I just opened up with Patchy hitting Rage Trillithon to kill all the dolls and then Marisa shooting a Master Spark into Alice's face. After that, she couldn't focus to make her dolls for three turns while I pounded on her with Wind of Prayers up and was knocked out.

>>8733846
>she couldn't focus
Huh. Which status condition did you hit her with?

And you know, if you really want to, you could go find the save before her in the backup folder...

>>8733874
Cool, thanks for the tip. I'm gonna do that fight again because I want to out-strategize her.

I had Mage Masher on Sakuya so I must've silenced her and missed the prompt.

How do you beak that yukkari? It's that take it easy thing.

>>8734403
Youmu has a special attack especially for the yukkuris. Yukkuri slash I believe.

>>8733009

You can also use one of reimu's barriers to make yourself immune to it for one turn or use status resist items. After one turn, most of them should be dead.

Well, trying to defeat Marisa and Alice by beating Alice first didn't work out for me since I could never keep Marisa silenced and didn't have any decent damage options for Alice. Then I decided to try beating Marisa first.

I killed Marisa, but the only surviving parties were Mokou and Aya and then soon only Mokou. Then I had Mokou cast XuFu on herself.

This turned the battle into a long drawn out event where Alice uses Kamikaze dolls and kills everyone, but Mokou and occasionally Aya, but then only Mokou again. Then Mokou after several more Kamikaze Dolls or so gets her last word and resurrects everybody. Who may or may not do a bit of damage depending on if Alice Kamikaze Dolls, Alice Guards, or neither of those two options. She likes doing the first two options a lot.

Everybody had died and been resurrected like four times now except for Mokou.

I'm fairly sure Alice has done more damage to herself than I have now.

This is the most ridiculous battle I've ever had in this game.

The Kamikaze Dolls she did just before this did 12 damage to herself.

>>8733290
well, I employed both the Katana and the Kusanagi. The latter is much more ballin' than any of the weapons Sakuya and Youmu use anyway. Just be sure to not waste Iron on Satori or Sanae weapons, for example.

>>8735041
I never did craft any of Sanae or Satori's weapons. Thing is I'm in post game and counting up the crafting costs, I've acquired a total of 25 iron throughout the game. Even if I had never crafted a single weapon using iron, I would have still needed to farm 5 more pieces of iron.

Also going through the JP wiki, it is only possible to find 12 or 13(wasn't paying enough attention while counting) iron before the final boss in chests.

How the hell does anybody have the iron for kusanagi upon reaching the final boss the first time around?

Guess it might be possible now due to the drop rate patch though. I played up to the final boss before that came around.

>>8734918
>>8734947
>>8734960
Wow, what the hell. Everyone died and got resurrected enough times to run out of lives? That's the first time I've seen that.
>>8735041
Sakuya has that delicious +90 PATK and -2 slash resistance on her 2-handed sword growth tree (and their slayer bonuses are stronger as well), and Youmu has double attack, +33% crit damage and something else on her Katana tree, I believe, so I would really rather use those. The tree for swords isn't really that bad, though, but I would rather not try that hard to save Iron for it through the game.
>>8735115
Sanae's snakes are pretty useful for causing poison or paralysis, and one of her final ones gives her +50% healing, so you would be crazy to not care about at least that one. As for Satori, all you need are her eyes that give extra poison damage.

>>8735288
Sanae doesn't really need help in the healing department honestly. Reimu does, but not Sanae, her late game single target heal pretty much heals for like 1k and her party heals are already pretty decent. Frankly I depend on Alice to keep the party from getting damaged over keeping the party healed up. Since the entire party goes back to full HP after the end of a battle as well, there's not that much need to heal besides boss fights and if Alice is tanking right then not much healing is needed even then.

Also never crafted a Satori Eye once. None of them seemed particularly helpful in the casting department as I mainly used Satori as another elemental caster and occasionally as support. I assume the eyes would be rather helpful if I tried to build Satori around using enemy melee skills though.

>>8735115
I transformed 13 other mats into irons. Zero fucks given.
New thread, perhaps?

>>8736063
Do it, I just started playing through myself.

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