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Because we're not faggots who fap to fictitional constructs of vectors and synthetic sound.

Deal with it.

>>8619359
This.

Get a life fuckin weebs.

For the same reason japan likes to throw in random engrish everywhere.

Foreign languages are much more exciting.

>>8619359
Actually, because american vocaloid fans are mostly weaboos. That's not lazyness, I guess, but lack of people interested in working with the English version of Vocaloid.

Actually I'm working on vocaloid song I'm just too much of a lazy NEET.

>>8619359
>>8619368
Vocaloid is about more than looks it's about the beautidul music realeased through them vocaloids.

Also the term "fap" is horrid please use "masturbate".

Americans are brought up in a consumer culture. Buying or using stuff that is premade and not making it yourself is commonplace.

If you're just talking about songs in English, the problem is two-fold. First most English speakers into Vocaloid are weebs. And second, Japanese is particularly well suited to voice generation because of the limited phoneme set and mora structure of words. English phonetics are a shitton more complicated and harder to make not sound like shit.

>>8619389
Yep

>>8619374
But they made a few english vocaloid cfor those kinds to test the water

Sonika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewImlYJEgA

Big-Al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSViyqFN00

Oliver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf3Yza9UakI

And they are barely as popular as the most unpopular japanese vocaloid

A lot of stuff in this thread is right but also, the English language is based on inflection unlike the Japanese language which is meant to be monotone, this fits the robotic vocaloids better, in English it would sound terrible ( not that it dosen't sound off in Japanese from time to time too )

>>8619398
>>8619389

Oh, wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder.


The average american (as in not a 4channer or weeaboo, geek you name it) doesn't even know they exist and would laugh it off as some chidish thing if they did.

It comes down to things thaat are popular somewhere not being popular in another culture.

>>8619415

Inflection isn't really the issue. Japanese has inflection too. I think you're thinking about stress, which is completely irregular in English. It all falls under phonetics though.

Just compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonetics#Phonemes
to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Consonants

Japanese is one of the most sound poor languages still spoken today. Also keep in mind that Japanese functions syllabically as opposed to on an individual phoneme basis for word formation, which further minimizes the number of possible sound combinations. All of this makes it much easier to generate artificially.

>>8619389
This. Everything made in America is from companies. People hardly make anything here. It's sad.

>>8619379
Who is singing?

>>8619466

Yeah, it's kind of sad. I have a hard time understanding it even though I am an American myself––when I enjoy some kind of media I usually want to make some myself. I don't really understand how other people don't feel that way. Though I have no talent for music, so I've never really done anything with Vocaloid.

>>8619413
Did you even read what he said? It was a general statement, having nothing to do with Miku or Japan in particular.

>>8619474
You could do talkloids

Example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5Gzn5xrSs

>>8619474
I was thinking about it earlier because the 3DCG thread that's around here. People were talking about how the Japs hate others distributing their stuff, even if they're already giving it away for free, and how people in the thread didn't understand it.

I'd love to make a miku song, but i'm afraid my musical talent is non-existent.

I feel that Vocaloid software has always sounded bad in English. It just isn't worth using in your music if you want English vocals IMO.

The nature of this language makes it harder to synthesize I guess. I also feel this is why they're talking 100 years to come out with the official English Miku.

English Miku could work if you write lyrics phonetically. You'd probably have to screw around with it, but it's not impossible.

>>8619524
ZUN!Bar You get what you put in most english users don't put much work in so most english songs so sound terrible but there are gems.

Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W010620_W4Q

And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0Za_82UWQ

>>8619466
>>8619474
>>8619482
Wait are you fucking serious?
Goddamn it, you retard child, browse youtube for a little, there's a lot of america people that make original music content.
It's not everyone that cares for your shitty vocaloid, stop being so delusional.

>>8619549

Again, if you know anything at all about linguistics you'd know that English is significantly harder to synthesize without sounding like shit compared to Japanese. Japanese is ezmodo because of the mora structure and how sound poor it is.

>>8619524
Also English Miku is taking a long time because Crypton is doing many many projects though her release date has been confirmed as summer 2012

Other Projects are
Kaito Upgrade
Meiko Upgrade
Kaito Append
Meiko Append
Kaito English
Luka Append
CV04
Project If...(More than 1 voice)

I have bad art skills

>>8619563
I know that and that is why I say work is needed it will not sound perfect but it will sound "okay" to "good"

>>8619559
You do realise we are talking about vocaloid fans and not all english musicians please learn to read and not be blinded by your hate for things.(Or just get out)

>>8619586

Yeah, but compared to Japanese it requires an inordinate amount of work and skill to get to just "okay" –– that's why you don't see a lot of work in English. Plus, they don't have the same following in general and no one wants to work with vocaloids who have no characters or fanbase really.

And then most English speakers can't speak Japanese (or at least not well enough to write a song) so they're kind of boned unless they want to toil in obscurity with the English vocaloids to get to an end product that is "okay." I think it's obvious why there isn't much appeal there.

>>8619603
You know work is needed for japanese vocaloid as well "Freely Tommorow" is an example of what hard work gives.

Also many english vocaloids have characters.(Sonika,Ann,Al,Oliver,Tonio)

>>8619632

Yeah, obviously, hence "comparatively." You can make an "okay" sounding song with a Japanese vocaloid with pretty minimal effort. To get anything that's even remotely workable in English takes a lot more work.

And yeah, they may have characters but no one gives a shit about them.

http://twitter.com/#!/SonikaVocaloid

>>8619645
>You can make an "okay" sounding song with a Japanese vocaloid with pretty minimal effort. To get anything that's even remotely workable in English takes a lot more work.

Okay but I don't understand why work has to equal no fun or not worthy of even trying.(I would produce things myself but I have absolutely no money)

Americans are too busy being world police to be creative.

>>8619679
WHat about Europeans and Australians?

>>8619355
>Spanish speakers are creating more
We are?

>>8619690
Europeans don't speak English, except for the British. Australians fail at everything. Just kidding, they've got way too many dangerous animals and things waiting to kill them to have time for such things as creativity.

>>8619694
Yep since Bruno and Clara came they have been putting a bunch of covers and a bit of originals

>>8619675

Look, it's not worth trying for most people because 1) it's a lot harder 2) they will get minimal recognition 3) the English vocaloids are simply not as "fun" because there isn't as much of a following around them and there's less opportunity to participate in the wider community as a result.

Look, if you feel like that sounds rewarding enough go for it. But most people aren't going to invest that much time in something that ultimately won't sound that good (at least not as good as if you'd put a comparable amount of time into a Japanese vocaloid) and won't get any real recognition at all.

>>8619707
Ah understand that but I wish everyone would stop using "hard" as an exscuse not to use them instead of just saying they are not appealing.

Off-topic
This is one of my most replied threads yet I wonder why?

I post most of the vocaloid things on /jp/ and I have rarely gotten more than 5 replies most of the time.

>>8619717

Well, I mean, it is a major factor too. If they were easier to use than the Japanese ones, or even just the same level of difficulty (though, that's not really possible considering linguist issues, but for the sake of argument) I'm sure they'd have more of a following since more people would be willing to give them a chance.

But, I mean, just think about it, if in like 20 minutes of messing with a vocaloid to start out with, you might get something that sounds at least vaguely encouraging from Miku vs. something really unappealing with one of the English vocaloids. Wouldn't you be more inclined to keep going with Miku in that case? If something's too hard, it scares newbies away right away, and then once people get more skilled most tend to get kind of set in their ways and not want to explore the other options unless they have a particular reason to.

It's because it sounds like shit

>>8619734
Well I guess I just have to rely on the english producers already available to help me expand engloids popularity

>>8619749
A bit too late aren't we?

>why english vocaloids suck
japanese: 110 sounds
english: ~8000 sounds

>>8619755
Yes and?

I cannot believe this got replies.

>>8619759
But really if it was all about voice wouldn't Miku be the most unpopular V2?She is outadated but still popular because of her looks.

>>8619549
>>You get what you put in

I really agree but even the best Vocaloid users (like the stuff by that guy in that first link) can only make the English versions just sound "okay". Meanwhile it sounds awesome in Japanese or even Korean when you put in enough work. So awesome that you could make a career out of making Vocaloid music if you're good enough.

It's just a limitation of the software IMO. With its current sound English vocaloids are just a novelty and barely anyone (either creators or listeners) takes it seriously. Which sucks because I would like to see everyone take it seriously and make good songs with English vocals like HELL with it.

But personally I just want to make cheesy rock and metal covers with Miku.

>>8619837
>But personally I just want to make cheesy rock and metal covers with Miku.

but Miku's voice is too high pitched for anything other than Madonna covers.
Speaking of, a miku cover of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DPin5R30j4 would almost sound like it wasn't a cover at all.

That white haired miku is cuter anyway.

I just want false voice software to advance to the point that I can have my computer talk to me and sound halfway natural. Miku doesn't have the vocal range to match even Japanese, with its much simpler range of sounds, without sounding artificial.

>>8619909

She has a name, you know.

Miku is Miku.
People like you are the kind that make Yowane Haku.

it's mostly due to lack of good songwriters/composers in america that would want to deal with it
putting out songs on something like this is slightly more acceptable in japan
frankly sonika is meh, but whatever chick recorded oliver's voice did a great job and I'd really like to seem ore from him and from GUMI

>>8619946
I don't think I've ever seen her outside of Life of Miku or whatever that 4koma series was called, so I can be excused for that.

>>8619946

meant to upload the Haku version of this pic for that post, but I can't seem to find it. Oh well.

>>8620005
There is no excuse for being too lazy to use bing or wikipedia.

I don't know if you've noticed or not but Vocaloids in English are SHIT. PURE AND UTTER SHIT.

Vocaloids cannot into English

English is a retarded language, news at 11.

>>8620160
What's the matter? Too complex for your cretin brain?

>>8620165
Not at all. English is a popular language for a reason. It's easy as hell to learn. It just happens to have a retarded phonetic system.

>>8619948
Oliver is a true young (11-13) boy's voice not a woman's

Look at all the retards replying to copypasta

>>8622319
>Copypasta
Is that what you call writing about things on the spot these days?

>>8619494
>didn't understand
I can see how you might not have read the conversation since it was a massive tl;dr, but I think the consensus was "don't agree," not "don't understand."

I don't think anybody isn't used to DeviantArt's jealous guarding of free work and power trip behavior. It's no different, as was pointed out there multiple times.