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Seems very fuwa

http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/79-fuwanovel-is-looking-for-new-hosting/

Please don't repost every thread on this stupid site here. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter

>>8582385
seems pretty cool advertising, reported

Aeru devs pls go

>>8582411
>I wanted to devote Fuwanovel to also talking about copyright issues, about why the distribution of fan translations have been deemed illegal and the misconception that surround the very bogus Intellectual "Property". Most of all, it is about questioning the law.

>>8582455
Man, I think Intellectual "Property" is a bogus concept too, but Aaeru is just doing that for more attention. What a bithc.

>>8582497
I think a lot of IP law is retarded but authorial control over derivative works (at least for a limited time) is one area where it makes sense. Witness the Swedish LOTR translations for an example of why it is important for authors to retain control over their works: a bad translation can destroy the reputation of a work among people who speak that language.

Of course, the fact that the Swedish (and, to a lesser extent, Dutch) LOTR translations exist and are so terrible indicates another problem with IP law: the assignation of rights to companies (who may not value authorial integrity) rather than individuals.

So Aaeru is tilting at the wrong windmill here: the problem is the transferability of IP rights (and the length of those rights) rather than control over derivative works.

>>8582497
Hello rms welcome to /jp/ how did you even fill out the reCAPTCHA

>Fuwa Marketing Central Headquarters

Ohohogod my sides.

Hahahaahhaahaahahahaahahahaahahahaahahahahaahhaahahaahahahahahahaahahaaaha

I always get a message about not being "allowed to visit this community."

Don't tell me you all have accounts there?
It's either that or I got banned despite never having posted there or even registered an account.

Fuwanovel reminds me of how I used to take notes when I still studied. Colors everywhere.
Of course, I used consistent color codes for various purposes.

>>8582832
What's [color=red]wrong[/color] with [color=green]the way[/color] [color=blue]Aaeru[/color] types?

Stop stalking Aeru /jp/.

>>8582826
no account here and I can read the site fine
no idea what your problem might be

>>8582385
Stop fucking ruining that character for me!

>>8582455
the best part is
>It is these sorts of issues that I wanted to illuminate to the audience through banners on the site as well as articles.
>through banners on the site
I can already see it
"99% of visual novel players think fantranslating is ILLEGAL! If you are part of the 1% who supports it, put this in your sig!"

>>8582870
It's not even letting me register an account so it looks like I'm banned for whatever reason.

>>8582832
>>8582863
I will admit that I find the colours to be surprisingly cute.

>>8582866
S-sorry, Anonymous...

>>8582891
That's the best error message ever. It's so sinister and unclear.

>>8582891
You're not fuwa enough.

>>8582891
Are you using a proxy? Or a ISP using dynamic IPs?

Or are you from a country that may be just simply prone to global bans?

>>8582907
No to both. But yeah I probably deserve it for being in france.

>>8582917
>Site promises visual novels for the world.
>Bans France.

I love it.

>>8583024
>France
Part of >the world

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>>8583024
Get out Fuwa devs.

And just when I thought the comedy had ended.

daily dose?

http://pastebin.com/CHWPED7J

>>8587606
this is highly illegal

>>8587606
tl;dr

>>8588091
[09:40] <@Aaeru_> if you break the stranglehold of what the government and big publishers have done to our minds, then we will be FREE to fan translate

>>8587606
> [07:33] <@Aaeru_> i love good and i hate injustice just as my master loves good and hates injustice
> [07:34] <@Aaeru_> and if there is injustice, it is before my eyes and i can see a way for me to do something about it
> [07:34] <@Aaeru_> then ill just do it
Why does she talk like an anime character?

>>8588137
She's like a moe version of Stall Man.

She may not be the hero we want, but she is the hero we need.

Not sure who we is though

>>8588166
youre mom and my dick, nerd

>>8588174
bump

I love these threads.
This Aaeru character is hilarious.

>>8588166
EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED. DO NOT RESIST. YOU WILL BE MODERATED AND RE-EDUCATED.

[09:25] <@Aaeru_> hey but i believe that this is the best way, it is the best thing for the community. there is no better way
[09:26] <@K0u> no
[09:26] <@Aaeru_> why can't you just trust me with my design
[09:26] <@K0u> you can spread VNs without dorama
[09:26] <&Checkmate> I'm sorry to say that we don't
[09:26] <@Aaeru_> im a design graduate. i know what i am doing

>>8588091
To paraphrase:
Aaeru: i am the hero the world deserves all copyright is evil based on a blog post and video i watched i will use fuwanovel to shove my ideas down everyone's throat the intellectual property owners' blood will run through the streets by my hand
Checkmate: mixing politics and VNs isn't a very good ide-
Aaeru: DO NOT QUESTION ME I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WOOORRRLLLDDD
Ignis: Stop being stupid, stupid.
Aaeru: only /jp/ thinks i'm stupid ;____;
Ignis: /jp/ are important MAD PROPS TO /jp/
TinFoil: We don't encourage piracy at TLWiki because we're not retarded. You should do the same.
Aaeru: but i watched a video once and it said copyrights were evil!!!! i want to stop teh copyrights!!!!
cocoro: Listen, Aaeru, this is why you're wrong about copyri-
Aaeru: I HAET COPYRIGHT I WILL USE FUWANOVEL AS A PLATFORM TO TAKE DOWN THE MAN I AM A MARTYR I DON'T CARE WHAT /JP/ SAYS ABOUT MY MODERATION I'M GREAT AND I LOVE JUSTICE AND HATE INTOLERANCE THEREFORE EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG AND I AM RIGHT LALALALA

>>8588220
> [09:26] <@Aaeru_> im a design graduate. i know what i am doing
This part really stood out to me. She has to be doing this shit on purpose.

Not enough love and tolerance ITT.

>>8588220
>im a design graduate. i know what i am doing
Hahaha.

Aaeru I know for a *fact* you are lurking. Post ITT. Address our concerns in an anonymous environment. Yes people might flame you, but you need thick skin if you're going to run a community.

>>8588387
THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID OF FREEDOM. DO NOT WORRY. THEY WILL BE MODERATED AND RE-EDUCATED.

>>8584209
>>8588137
>>8588157
>>8588220
This is priceless.
I can't stop laughing

>>8588396
What are you talking about? Aaeru never lurks /jp/!

And she's never deleted a post without a good reason. Stop being UTTER FAGGOTS.

LET'S GET THIS SHIT STARTED BROS.

>>8587606
>[07:40] <@Aaeru_> the new objective of fuwanovel is:
>[07:41] <@Aaeru_> To revolutionize the way we view copyright in relation to fan translations, fansubs & scanlations by scrutinizing the assumed basic legitimacy of copyright in the first place.

10/10 would read again.

>>8588508
Not nearly colorfuwal enough.

>>8588511
>[07:46] <&Checkmate> so it's for your own satisfaction
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> i dont know what that is

Oh man.

[08:06] <&Checkmate> you're bringing reality back to where they want to escape from
[08:06] <@Aaeru_> then i bring back a bit of reality then
[08:06] <@Aaeru_> wait cmon
[08:06] <@Aaeru_> what argument is that?
[08:07] <@Aaeru_> what's more important
[08:07] <@Aaeru_> there's nothing more important than this
[08:07] <@Aaeru_> this is what people should learn
[08:07] <@Aaeru_> Ron Paul calls for an Intellectual Revolution
[08:07] <@Aaeru_> and everything I do is just an outflowing of him and Stephan Kinsella

>>8588536
are you making these up?

>>8588528
PINK IS THE COLOR OF LOVE AND TOLERANCE.

><@Aaeru_> i am spreading visual novels at the same time as i impart truth to people
<@Aaeru_> why cant it do that, the pirate bay did the same thing
<@Aaeru_> im just copying them
<@Aaeru_> i**

[07:46] <@Aaeru_> all i know
07:46: <@Aaeru_> is that I hate those people who have lied to us all our lives
[07:46] <@Aaeru_> I hate them with a passion
[07:46] <@Aaeru_> those guys need to die. them and their whole familikes
[07:46] <@Aaeru_> and their blood needs to flow like a river down our main cities
[07:46] <@Aaeru_> and then even then
[07:46] <@Aaeru_> it's not enough
[07:47] <@Aaeru_> leave God for the real punishment
[07:47] <@Aaeru_> i couldnt care less whether i get arrested or put in jail
[07:47] <@Aaeru_> in fact, that's even better
[07:47] <@Aaeru_> because it flags the problem

wat

>>8588545
Sociopath moe~

YES! YES I WANT TO JOIN THE VN REVOLUTION

>>8588539
Read the Pastebin.

>>8588545
That's not love and tolerance.

><@Aaeru_> i love good and i hate injustice just as my master loves good and hates injustice

Who is her master?

>>8588553
Justice.

>>8588553
This. I did a double take when I read this line. What the fuck.
Is she actually a real life anime?

>>8588548
It's not just VNs, Anonymous!
http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/fuwanovel-reblogs-nobody-asked-for-a-refrigerator-fee
/

> What began as a tingle in my right brain over why the distribution of almost impossible-to-obtain, unlicensed eroge, was considered itself an outright act of sacrilege, it led me onto a small reading trip (just a small one, about 30-40 minutes)… and then pretty soon… wow.
> It had become apparent to me…. I had opened pandora’s box.
> And so I came to the decision: Not only is Fuwanovel now merely a physical platform, it has become the embodiment of an important message. And it now exists to spread this message.

>>8588557
A real weeaboo.
I thought these type of people only exist in Gaia.

>[08:04] <@Aaeru_> because by learning about the schemes they employ, we can win back our liberties
>[08:04] <@Aaeru_> and our freedom of speech
>[08:04] <@Aaeru_> abolish copyright
>[08:04] <@Aaeru_> free culture
>[08:05] <@Aaeru_> those are good things to be working for

Wasn't that sort of what Solidus was trying to do in MGS2 if you replace "copyright" with "The Patriots"?

I agree with the message in her banner that she linked here.


http://fuwanovel.com/anticopyright/FuwanovelCopyrightBanner.jpg


But she's pretty ignorant and the hairs on my neck stand up when I read some of what she writes. I think it hurts the copyright movement when people like this don't articulate their beliefs in an intellectual manner. Some of what she writes makes me feel she's trolling or trying to get attention or something, I don't know. In any case, I'm sort of interested to see the path this website will go down when the takedown notices start piling in.

[09:10] <@Aaeru_> im talking to the otome-ge people
[09:10] <@Aaeru_> theyre scared of working on this because they believe it is illegal
[09:10] <&Checkmate> then you can talk to them in private and why this is good for the market
...
[09:11] <@Aaeru_> how can you talk private to 10,000 people?
[09:11] <@Aaeru_> any one of them could be potential fan translators

>>8588553
>Who is her master?
Ron Paul.

>>8588567
she must be referring to her blogs stat counter

>>8588566
HEY! FUCK YOU FAGGOT. I WANT TO SEE YOUR BLOOD RUN DOWN THE MOTHER FUCKING RIVER YOU FAGGOT!!!!

>>8588566
Seconded. I sort of agree with her message, but it seems that she's confusing "copyright" with the way contemporary publishers *abuse* copyright (i.e. "intellectual property"). The chatlogs I have seen make it quite clear she's far too emotionally-driven to the point where she forgets her own arguments. She sounds like the sort of person who saw one YouTube video or read a blog article and decided she agreed with it so much she would spend the rest of her life fighting its cause.

> [07:46] <@Aaeru_> those guys need to die. them and their whole familikes
> [07:46] <@Aaeru_> and their blood needs to flow like a river down our main cities
Wow. Love and tolerance all the way

Am I the only one who reads this chick's spergs in the voice of an English fandub of Haruhi?

>>8588567
>they believe it is illegal
But it is.

>>8588567
Speaking of numbers,
> [07:50] <@Aaeru_> what reputation,
> [07:50] <@Aaeru_> it's only been tarnished at the level of /jp/
> [07:50] <@Aaeru_> my main audience isn't even them
> [07:51] <&Ignis-> but they might sum up to more than half of the people who actually care about the english translation scene
How accurate do you think this is? I scoffed at the idea at first, but we're a reasonably popular board and even VN fans elsewhere could care less about the scene itself.

>>8588567
Why does she give a fuck about otome games?

>>8588588
Why only the main cities? Do towns and villages not deserve it?

AAERU CONFIRMED FOR PREJUDICED CAPITALIST PIG.

>>8588566
>I'm sort of interested to see the path this website will go down when the takedown notices start piling in.

I guess she's lucky she's dealing with fucking eroge companies and not western publishers who sue her up the ass

> [07:54] <@Aaeru_> not to mention im going to put some propaganda inside every distributed game (insidfe the torrent)
.......

VIVA LA REVOLUCION

>>8588593
I don't think it's that large, but /jp/ is probably a decent sized portion.

<@Aaeru_> it's all here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeaVBIMnoI#t=14m17s
[08:38] <@Aaeru_> this is the transcript: http://www.stephankinsella.com/2011/11/why-intellectual-property-is-not-genuine-property-adam-smith-
forum-moscow/
[08:38] <@Aaeru_> and thgere's a book, which i read
[08:38] <@Aaeru_> a short one
[08:38] <@Aaeru_> it's a 50 minute video. who can be stuffed watching that
[08:38] <@Aaeru_> let me finish writing my 500word essay. at least that's a little more absorbable
[08:38] <@Aaeru_> and even then it wont be enough

She's been brainwashed.

>>8588602
Peter Payne should sue her for libel:
http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/attention-fan-translators-do-not-sell-your-translatio
n-to-jast-usa-we-have-a-much-greater-cause-in-sight-visual-novels-for-the-whole-world-visit-fuwanove
l-com/
Perhaps even slander since she's a lot sharper with her tongue in her chatlogs.

>[09:27] <&Ignis-> and have you considered that the campaign might very well bring unwanted attention to them, the attention that was never there before?
>[09:28] <@Aaeru_> sure i take their feedback, but it's my design. in the end i get to decide how i do it.
>[09:28] <&Ignis-> so you're doing it for yourself, and not for the community?
>[09:28] <&Ignis-> you're promoting your own interests, not those of the people?
>[09:28] <@Aaeru_> the status quo will not bring fans to the visual novel medium in any significant number. it is not acceptable for me

What is a design school?

>>8588610
Think though: How many people really give a shit? There's TLWiki, HongFire, a few other websites I've forgotten, and a couple of closed-off IRC groups. Of those, plenty of the people interested probably visit /jp/ at least occasionally.

Let me feel special, Anonymous. I'm part of something productive here.

>>8588611
Well, at least she believes in something. I guess that makes her life fuller than any of ours. Let's just let her have her fun while it lasts - it's not like she's harming anyone.

>>8588621
I think it's some sort of militant feminist group.

>[08:56] <@Aaeru_> but i dont want to go forth with a fuwanovel in vanilla
>[08:58] <@Aaeru_> this is really really important to visual novel fan translation.
>[08:58] <@Aaeru_> and its really really important to our progress of knowledge and education for the human race

>>8588624
I read that last bit of the log wrong.

You're probably right.

>>8588551
Make more of these,please?

>>8588625
Plenty of people have expressed how this could easily harm the translation community. She's doing the polar opposite of what intelligent, sane males have unanimously agreed upon for years.

Lets forget about Aaeru and take a gander at Asia's delicious butt

>[09:10] <@Aaeru_> my aims are integral, absolutely integral to visual novels' expansion
>[09:10] <@Aaeru_> it is educating people that .. no. you dont have to shy away from fan translations
>you dont have to shy away from fan translations
People do that?
Seriously?
Fuck, I'd been playing fan translated games years before I had even an idea of what a VN was.

>>8588638
Yes, but no one takes her seriously. Let her rant.

>>8588637
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> all i know
>07:46: <@Aaeru_> is that I hate those people who have lied to us all our lives
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> I hate them with a passion
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> those guys need to die. them and their whole familikes
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> and their blood needs to flow like a river down our main cities
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> and then even then
>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> it's not enough

>[09:15] <@Aaeru_> but drama is the point. i guess
Whelp.
There you go.
Straight from the horse's own mouth.

>>8582385
Do you actually think we're going to give you ideas on how to viral marketing?

Jesus Christ, bitch, what kinda shit is you smokin?

>>8588650
Baka nihonjin might.

>>8588650
Why are you still here?

We're all waiting for you at

>>>/vg/

To the guy who posted the log (14stick?): please post her manifesto. I would very much like to read it.

Why does she act like she is the second coming of christ just because she graduated from a design school?

>>8588665
Because she's fucked in the head?

>[09:24] <@Aaeru_> this is not random, or reckless, or stupid

So much comedy gold in there.
I haven't laughed this much in some time.

>[09:32] <@Aaeru_> its not politics. im starting an intellectual revolution
Aaeru, savior of the common man.
Slayer of corporate greed.
Revealer of corruption.
Truly, the hero we need.

i think everyone should've realized she's crazy when she faked her death to get out of translating katahane.

>>8588685
Being crazy is fine and all so long as you don't go actively making things worse for others, in some misguided crusade for justice.

>>8582411
>A creator does not have the right to profit from his/her creation.
Does she seriously think this?

>>8588685
Reading the IRC log is pretty fucking creepy.

>>8588685
When did this happen? Can I have some more info on this?

I hate IRC drama logs.

>>8588685

Yeah, I am done talking about this shit now. That first thread was kind of funny at first but now it's well creepy and stupid.

>>8588703
See you later, Aaeru

>[09:40] <@Aaeru_> if you break the stranglehold of what the government and big publishers have done to our minds, then we will be FREE to fan translate

It must be the fault of the government and corporations that there aren't more VN fan translations, not the fact that it's an extremely niche interest, even in the country VNs are primarily produced in!

I don't the idea she's trying to embody is bad but if you're a dumbass or act like one no one is gonna give you credit.
Can someone tell me if she has any kind of merit to talk like she does and expect respect or is she balling?

>>8588528
>colorfuwal

NOW I'VE LOST IT.

Let me get this straight.

She wants to start up a website which encourages piracy, and encourages visual novels being brought to the attention of the general public? Does she seriously not realize how stupid that is? And not only that, but she preaches love and tolerance and then calls people 'UTTER FAGGOTS!111' in a completely malicious manner?

>>8588746
LET THEIR BLOOD RUN DOWN THE RIVERS

>http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/79-fuwanovel-is-looking-for-new-hosting/page__st__2
0
>My heros are Ron Paul and the likes of Stephan Kinsella and Alex Jones. I listen to them everyday. and when I'm not listening to them, I'm reading up on current issues with copyright laws. (and it's also noteworthy, two weeks ago, youtube [i.e. google] has now been found DELISTING Alex Jones' videos. They delist them because they are THAT powerful. that they need to freaking censor them.)

>>8588752
I'm scared of her,/jp/

For the curious, there's a very interesting debate going on in the hosting thread. Aaeru expresses her points a lot better there, though they're still (obviously) pretty disagreeable.
Shout out to 14sick and 阿呆です。 Keep fighting the good fight.

If she took a course in design, why does she use so many different colors when writing? I'm half expecting her to start writing in comic sans next.

>>8588652
>>[07:46] <@Aaeru_> and their blood needs to flow like a river down our main cities
Warhammer 40K visual novel confirmed?

> Their crime against humanity is so vast, so so vast, not even the death penalty will suffice, not even if their blood run down our streets like rivers will true justice be reached.
Aaeru wants to genocide big copyright holders.

Love and tolerance, everyone.

>>8588752
I used to find her cute and moe, especially with that [color=pink]favourite bishoujo[/color] thing, but now I realize she's just insane.

Insane moe?

>>8588778
Does she address how she deletes posts she doesn't like?

Aaeru is my yandere, self contradictory, not so bright waifu. Her derp is pretty moe. That is all.

>>8588793
She addressed that somewhere else. Something about all communities having moderation problems as they start up, and something about her insane "friend" being in an abusive relationship.

I'm really starting to see Aaeru as one of these crazy people who hang out on Usenet typing up walls of text about how littering laws are Illuminati mind control. I can't decide whether I want to hug her or punch her in the face.

She wishes to create one of the pillars of the VN community, but shape it to her liking and views while making rash actions on her whim.

If you understand that, it is trivial to understand most of her actions.

>>8588751
You faggot, if you're going to keep repeating that, at least quote it correctly. Their blood will flow down our main cities LIKE a river, not through the river. That would be much less impressive.

>>8588778
I am sorry /jp/, I have failed you.
But perhaps there is wisdom in retreat.

>>8588802
>I can't decide whether I want to hug her or punch her in the face.
Can't you do both?

>>8588813
*their

>>8588813
She is convinced that she is right, no point talking to a brick wall.

These are Aaeru's "viable business models" for VNs:
> Release a Visual Novel that is free-to-play.
> Lets you choose Option A or Option B (which are both free) but Option C is the special date with the girl (cost $1):
> Make an eroge where there’s a button on the corner of the screen that represents one of the heroines. as soon as you hit the button, you donate $1. 50cents goes to that seiyuu, other 50cents goes towards others (devs etc). So if you particularly like the girl on her route, you spam the $1 button at the corner because you are so moved to. No, You WANT to because she has won your heart!
> During an H-scene, press the $1 button (that appears) to make the girl orgasm harder. The more you press it, the harder she ‘releases’. <--
> The VN is free to play but to start the game, you have to enter your bank account details in. That way, the $1 transfers work On-the-fly.

>>8588813
You put up a good fight. We all know you're right, and we will continue the argument for you.

You lose points for mentioning copyleft and Reddit though.

>>8588842
i'm sure a few fans would go all idolmaster on that shit and buy everything in sight
how much that'd actually make total, i don't know

So Aaeru is...
*dying
*not dying
*a man
*a woman
*releasing visual novels with their translations
*not releasing visual novels with their translations
*for JAST
*against JAST
*for peace and love
*for the blood of her enemies to flow like rivers down the streets of our cities

C'mon, let's [color=pink]trust[/color] [color=blue]her[/color] with the future of visual novels!

I'm sorry, but has fuwanovel even even receive a single C&D from the japanese eroge makers? Oh, that’s right. Not even the western publishers have sent her one. In fact, it’s only the bashing from /jp/, moogy mafia cartel and ixrec merry band of cocksuckers. Does being a girl with PMS make you a crazy yandere slut? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you’re saying that I can assure you that you’re wrong. Why would you make this topic when the fuwanovel forum is filled with happines and love? Aeru is a pure maiden and the heroine that we need against the current capatalist pigs. She has to go up against JAST and Mangagamers getting free TL from TL community and then selling it to public for absurd prices. But you know what? JAST and MG are still capatalist pigs. What? No voice unless it sells more than X copies? Remember Delay Project~ & Over 9000?. Aeru has picked this up to spread this medium for free. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when this medium become mainstream thanks to fuwanovel. JAST and MG are just in it for the money. Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I’m fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you’re the only guy making all these anti-Aeru topics because you’re a faggot hater who doesn’t like a Aeru just because she is a girl. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking idiots on the board, like I give a fuck. It’s so easy to spot out your threads now, you’re a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don’t you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That’s just you, you’re always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

Do certain colors in Aeru's speech signify that certain things are lies, and certain things are truths?

>>8588874
It's funny because she made Ixrec an admin.

>>8588874
>I'm sorry, but has fuwanovel even even receive a single C&D from the japanese eroge makers? Oh, that’s right. Not even the western publishers have sent her one. In fact, it’s only the bashing from /jp/, moogy mafia cartel and ixrec merry band of cocksuckers. Does being a girl with PMS make you a crazy yandere slut? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you’re saying that I can assure you that you’re wrong. Why would you make this topic when the fuwanovel forum is filled with happines and love? Aeru is a pure maiden and the heroine that we need against the current capatalist pigs. She has to go up against JAST and Mangagamers getting free TL from TL community and then selling it to public for absurd prices. But you know what? JAST and MG are still capatalist pigs. What? No voice unless it sells more than X copies? Remember Delay Project~ & Over 9000?. Aeru has picked this up to spread this medium for free. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when this medium become mainstream thanks to fuwanovel. JAST and MG are just in it for the money. Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I’m fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you’re the only guy making all these anti-Aeru topics because you’re a faggot hater who doesn’t like a Aeru just because she is a girl. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking idiots on the board, like I give a fuck. It’s so easy to spot out your threads now, you’re a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don’t you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That’s just you, you’re always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.
/jp/ - Angry Wall of Text Culture

>>8588874
9/10. Saved, printed, framed.

>>8588877
Yeah. Here's the color chart:
Black text = lies
White text = lies
Red text = lies
Green text = lies
Blue text = lies
Other color = lies

>>8588874
well it is true that the tlwiki/jast crew are doing their best to slander fuwanovel.

>>8588886
Speaking of which

>I had hoped you would learn from these mistakes, but instead your preaching has merely become even more radical and even less logical.

>As a direct result, any hope fuwanovel had of making a positive impact on the VN community is long gone. I will not be visiting this site again.

>>8588903
Ixrec confirmed for power hungry.

>>8588887
Learn to recognize copypasta. I'd never seen the text before and even I realized it was copypasta.

>>8588903
I should make an image for this. Where did he post this?

>>8588926
http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/79-fuwanovel-is-looking-for-new-hosting/page__view__fin
dpost__p__959

It's all going down in this thread.
(Who the fuck is DFALLENGOD and what does he think he's doing?)

>>8588926

Here you go.

Quit bullying girls.

>>8588953
supposed he didn't link to tvtropes

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't stop laughing.

Welp, there goes three weeks of "We have Amaterasu's backing, guys!!!!"

>>8588964
I was about to say the same thing. I am loving every minute of this and I don't even feel guilty about it.

I wonder how long before Aaeru backs out of the whole thing completely. She can't die again and she's already too far invested, so I wonder what she'll pull next. "Aaeru was a character I was working on"? "My cat likes to use my computer to argue on the internet"? "I was trolling all along"?

>>8588978
I dunno.
Her actions strike me as zealotry level. Something she won't back out of, because she feels herself so correct that doing so is simply unthinkable.

>>8588953
I suppose this is the 3rd time he's called her insane.

>>8588986
True. I always think this about mainstream conspiracy theorists. Perhaps Alex Jones realized after being wrong a million times he might be a little crazy and should stop.
But he never can.
He's in too deep now.

/jp/ - Aeru Ijime

I think both sides are being retarded. They need to calm down and realise one thing. Nothing they ever do will effect any major changes to the industry and the market. So the anti-fuwa side is being whiteknights for no good reason, and Aaeru is being anti-copyright to no effect either.

That said, I support fuwanovel because the one and only effect that it will bring about is that it will make the downloading of VN easier for me.

>>8589109
>That said, I support fuwanovel because the one and only effect that it will bring about is that it will make the downloading of VN easier for me.
You must have missed this:
>28/01 Fuwanovel will have no game downloads. Only patches. (except demos or freeware)

>>8589121
I will mourn that, the drivel of copyright zealots certainly have had made their impact on poor Aaeru.

>>8589109
You're right. We're not doing it for any noble purpose, and we're aware of this. Aaeru just pissed us off so we vented. That log you're all reading? Fucking headache inducer in its entirety.
And in the process of venting, we want to see if we can make her actually address our points that attack the fundamental flaws of her beliefs.
And perhaps make her realize that her ideals are all about fucking creators over (of course, she won't actually achieve this). But she hasn't and probably won't. And we're probably done here unless she does, so enjoy.

>>8589191
>Aaeru just pissed us off so we vented.
How did she piss you off? I'm interested to know what was the motivation behind the massive discouragement campaign.

>her ideals are all about fucking creators over
So are yours. You're being delusional if you think the current situation is any better for the common copyright creator.

But this is irrelevant, as I have said. The only reason I can see that why someone would stop fuwanovel is because they want to remain a hipster.

>>8589191
/jp/ is just a bunch of UTTER FAGGOTS!!!!

>>8589212
>How did she piss you off?

Because of him we get this threads and people like you.

>>8589228
Herp derp let's boycott ZUN because of flanfly.

Personally, I've gone past annoyance and I'm more just kind of finding her stupidity endearing. It's like, legitimately cute almost. The whole fiasco has done nothing but make me laugh my ass off, and I can only see that as a good thing really.

>>8589218
Remember love and tolerance /jp/, love and tolerance.

>>8589237
I hope your blood flows like a river down our main cities

Join fuwanovel and help Aaeru fight against the new world order today.

>>8589212
gj assuming what our ideals are when we never mentioned anything about them and only disagreed with hers
perhaps you should go join aaeru instead of pointlessly arguing against us here as you seem to be against that futile sort of thing
and if you don't understand how retardation can be irritating, I'm sorry

is it crucial I know what her views on the jews are before I join this website

is that in the faq???

>>8589271
I like how you only address 1 out of 3 points I raised, the least important no less. Learnt a little from Aaeru-sama, have we?

>>8589292
おめでとう、貴方は非常に不毛な言い合いに参加の意を示しました。仲間で
す。
しかしその回転の遅い頭で読解力の低さがきっと貴方を妨げるでしょう。大
変だと思いますが、頑張ってください。
大丈夫、どうでもいいことに揚げ足まがいなものを取れるなら永遠に参加で
きます。

>>8589338
I can usually scrape through some understanding of Japanese text using a combination of intermediate grammar, Mandarin proficiency, and Rikaichan/WWWJDIC. Yet, I refuse to attempt to parse any such texts on 4chan because most of them are written by non-native wannabes and as a result, makes little or no sense even to a native speaker. How about you not hiding behind pretend language barriers like a coward?

>>8589389
>herp derp you're a fool, keep it up.
Deciphered it for you.

>>8582866

So true anon, I considered playing that game just for the imouto but now that wish diminished.

Anyways, Aaeru sounds like some deluded, grandiose self-centered crazy, and before I even step into her website I am already deterred. I know this isn't part of the logical argument but outside perception is vital in what you're doing also, considering you expect exposure to the rest of the world and different people. If people think you're a crazy bitch, no one will listen to a word you're saying no matter how logical the argument, how just the cause (not that I read or understand the situation to begin with). Quite frankly I don't even want to understand or dive into this, so shes obviously doing it wrong with this much bad PR.

I don't know how I feel about hareten anymore.

>>8589109
> the anti-fuwa side is being whiteknights for no good reason
Eh? Someone on the internet is being stupid and potentially harmful. We are (quite intelligently) trying to make them stop.

>>8589212
> You're being delusional if you think the current situation is any better for the common copyright creator.
Of course it is. Read the forum. Read past /jp/ threads. As many people have brought up, if the industry became aware of this, it could seriously damage the Western market's reputation. As the guy from JAST said,
> [16:38] <MakotoJAST> It will make licensing harder in the future if you enable more people to play downloaded patches.
> [16:39] <MakotoJAST> It's hard enough getting Japanese companies to give us licenses for games that haven't already been made available to the public.
> ...
> [18:08] <MakotoJAST> The Japanese companies will not care what your motives or reasons are.
> [18:08] <MakotoJAST> You are distributing their data.
> [18:08] <MakotoJAST> That will piss them off.
> ...
> [18:19] <MakotoJAST> The Japanese companies will see this and say "look at these fucks. Not only have most of them played our games already, but they're 99% likely to pirate it even if we get a Western company to localize it for us."
> [18:20] <MakotoJAST> A piracy site is not a good way to convince Japanese companies that their games will make money.

>>8590223
What he says is true. Even if Fuwanovel no longer hosts game downloads, Aaeru still wants to encourage piracy. The current system has bugged a few companies, but supporting piracy and making it easy for the dumb masses is just going to antagonize more and more of them. In fact, this is what Aaeru sort of wants.

> The only reason I can see that why someone would stop fuwanovel is because they want to remain a hipster.
This is not even an argument. I am very happy for visual novels to become popular and I recommend them all the time. If it wasn't for the points raised above, I would very gladly tell people about the site. It seems to be cute and well-designed, and I think there is a market for an easy-to-use, entry-level English VN website. However as it stands, Aaeru is using the site more as a vehicle for an anti-copyright movement than her initial goal of making it easy for everyone to enjoy visual novels in the West.

Aaeru and fuwanovel is a false-flag operation by the entertainment industry intending to make the legit copyright critical people look bad. Their goal is to extend the draconian control they have over the consumers and to gather support for bills like SOPA. They want to try this kind of operation with something minor like VNs first because no one would care if they would be exposed. If the plan works well they will expand the operation to mainstream media.

>>8590262
If only this was true.

>>8590262
This may be true. Since reading all this, I have personally tipped off the entertainment industry about a number of underground filesharing websites just because I want to indirectly upset one person over the internet.

/jp/, you don't have to fuzz about this at all.
Aaeru will destroy fuwanovel in less than a month, and if it survives the cataclysm, then it will remain as some sort of private tracker [pinku]of love[/pinku] using magnet links.
Calling it.

>>8590286
You're an UTTER FAGGOT.

>>8590286 some sort of private tracker [pinku]of love[/pinku] using magnet links
I wish.

>>8590293
And only [pinku]fan translaters[/pinku] would be able to join.
And you'd have to pass a test wherein you swear to abide by the rules, and that your political view is the exact same as Aaeru's.

>>8590297
>swear to abide by the rules
Aaeru can't even do that.

>>8590297
Am I assuming correctly, that there would be a test about the "50 minutes long video about copyright laws and why they are evil"?

>>8590223
>>8590224

So I assume you guys have never heard of http://erogedownload.com/downloads/?(I only just found out about it by the way) Piracy is here to stay.

>trying to make them stop.
No you're not. See above.

>JAST statements
This completely contradicts what the Japan anime and manga industry has shown thus far. Are you saying VNs are so different, or that somehow Japan doesn't know about the even more rampant piracy of anime and manga?

>antagonize more and more of them
Not a single fuck was given. They will still produce it, we will continue to pirate it, I don't see a problem.

>I am very happy for visual novels to become popular and I recommend them all the time

Which is why your selling speech is: "Would you like to spend $150 importing one game in a language you can't read or understand? No, you don't get a demo to try it out. No, it takes at least 2 weeks to ship. No, I'm not giving you support on how to run it."
How very convincing. You might want to consider a career with MPAA.

>>8590305
It's hilarious how many times she posted it in the pastebin log.

>>8584209
He may have lost his cool and violated a bit of his own values in the process. But what he says rings true.

I'd rather see someone talk about playing nice and mean it, while occasionally falling short, than saying the whole thing is pointless.

That is, while the person has a lot of improvements to possibly make as a human being. He's still a lot better than a lot of us.

>>8582385
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>>8588791
Aearu is a girl?

Let's write a visual novel about her. She's just too moe not to.

>>8590334
Needs Stallman route too.

>Aaeru
>Fuwa

>>8590343
He has beautiful eyes

>>8590318
> No you're not. See above.
Where, exactly? I have been talking with Aaeru for weeks in order to get her to stop or at least change some of her ideas. In fact I was one of the people who suggested NOT having game downloads, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

> This completely contradicts what the Japan anime and manga industry has shown thus far. Are you saying VNs are so different, or that somehow Japan doesn't know about the even more rampant piracy of anime and manga?
A little. Piracy does exist in Japan, but there's still a strong market for these things. Particularly since most people buy a physical product (e.g. a DVD at Otakon) rather than download it. The problem is that VN producers simply don't want Westerners distributing their product for free. Hell, most of them don't want to distribute it in the West even if they see returns from it.

> Not a single fuck was given. They will still produce it, we will continue to pirate it, I don't see a problem.
C&Ds?

>>8590385

> Which is why your selling speech is: "Would you like to spend $150 importing one game in a language you can't read or understand? No, you don't get a demo to try it out. No, it takes at least 2 weeks to ship. No, I'm not giving you support on how to run it."
> How very convincing. You might want to consider a career with MPAA.

Eh? I tell people to pirate. I give them download links. I use Eroge Download just as you do. What I do *not* do is go around bragging about how we should pirate products in the faces of their producers. This is what Aaeru intends to do, and she thinks they will cave to pressure. What will really happen is that a few Japanese companies will get pissed off at all these Westerners pirating their games. They may decide the West isn't a viable market and cut license deals. They will arrange C&Ds against translators. This stuff matters.

Again, I like the idea of the site and I have nothing against piracy (I even hate the word, it's too loaded), but Aaeru is going a completely fuckbackwards way about it. If she cared so much about creating a viable market for Western novels and fan translators in the West, she should have started a localization company like Peter Payne did.

>>8590327
sup aaeru

>>8590328
I just noticed: in between two waifus, aka waifuwaifu, you get fuwa.
Mind. Blown.

>>8590402
Aaeru wouldn't refer to himself as "he".

Unless he's learning.

if only this aaeru guy would realize that the publishers are the big problem here, not copyright itself.

the copyright is a tool in the hand of a creator to keep control over his creations without having other people profit from them and use them in their own works, it only becomes a problematic weapon when the creator sells these rights to a larger publishing company such as sony.

that's like saying all guns should be outlawed, even though it's not a gun that kills people, but the irresponsible people who use those guns.

>>8590513
>that's like saying all guns should be outlawed, even though it's not a gun that kills people, but the irresponsible people who use those guns.
And because there are so many irresponsible people, guns are outlawed in most countries as overall it saves lives.

yeah, but those irresponsible people get punished.

the irresponsible people in this copyright case (publishers, big companies) can get away with everything.

to use the gun analogy, they can go on a shooting spree and they'll be praised by the people in power anyway.

>>8590553
Just like knives and cars
And then arrows and stones
And then bone axes and spears
And then hands

>What is viral marketing and how do you do it?

And then this thread appeared...

Thanks /jp/, I've been ignoring this site and these threads but this one was a good read.

>>8590387
>Again, I like the idea of the site and I have nothing against piracy
>In fact I was one of the people who suggested NOT having game downloads

Explain the contradiction. As far as I know, Aaeru's original intention didn't include giving the middle finger to publishers, that only came up after the whole battle of not having game downloads; She probably became overzealous in the copyright issue because you guys forced her to read up more. I'm not surprised that after reading about the atrocities of copyright issues, a person with less than a strong will and mind can easily become too impassioned.

If this is so, then you are being dishonest and mistreating Aaeru. You had no reason to attack her original idea.

>>8590816
> Aaeru's original intention didn't include giving the middle finger to publishers, that only came up after the whole battle of not having game downloads
It's been there since the very beginning. Read:
http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/10-about-fuwanovel-for-fan-translators/
Though she wasn't as vocal about copyright then. That is recent. She also had a thread about piracy, but it seems to have disappeared (or I'm an idiot who can't find it).

> Explain the contradiction.
I am okay with illegally downloading games.
I am okay with websites that offer games for illegal download.
I am NOT okay with people offering games for illegal downloads, then using those as a tool to fight the original creators, thus making it likely future games will be difficult to obtain (legally or illegally).

> If this is so, then you are being dishonest and mistreating Aaeru. You had no reason to attack her original idea.
If what is so? That she simply became a bit too passionate about copyright issues? As I said, I had problems with some of her ideas before the copyright thing ever came up. I even admitted somewhere above that I like the overall idea of the site, I just do not like how she intends (and/or intended) to antagonize publishers.

>>8590839
>If what is so?
It seems your English isn't very good(no offence meant), I'll try to be less ambiguous.

>http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/10-about-fuwanovel-for-fan-translators/
I see no indications of Aaeru railing against the concept of copyright. All she says is that she wants to bring VN to more people. Promoting piracy isn't the same thing, otherwise anime-sharing would be also considered as "fighting against copyright" since they are practically doing to anime what Aaeru wanted to do for VN.

>I just do not like how she intends (and/or intended) to antagonize publishers.
Then there's no fucking reason for you to discourage her against putting up game downloads. If the issue is her copyright activism, then debate about that. Bringing in side issues is just being very dishonest.

>>8590816
Aaeru, why so fuwa?

>>8590862
;_;
LEAVE AAERU ALONE
;_;

Bitch be crazy yo.

>>8590860
> It seems your English isn't very good
Okay, you even confused me there. You began with, "If this is so" and I was asking, "If WHAT is so?" I was asking what the referent was.

> I see no indications of Aaeru railing against the concept of copyright.
I think we are misunderstanding each other here. The anti-copyright thing is recent. That is, the whole, "Copyright should be abolished!" idea she has now.
Plenty of people in that thread explained the piracy thing. It's quite clear this is what Aaeru intends to do. She did have a thread up about how she supported piracy (I remember it explicitly mentioned "piracy" in its title) but it has disappeared. Found a post I wrote in the first Fuwanovel thread, so I know I'm not insane:
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/8457329#p8457443
That thread is worth a read-through, since people address some of her original ideas. A few have changed, most haven't. I respect her right to change her mind (as she did with game downloads) but please understand that people have been criticizing her idea to, as you put it, give the middle finger to publishers from the very start.

(cont.)

>>8591164
> Then there's no fucking reason for you to discourage her against putting up game downloads.
Look at any "mainstream" piracy website and the problems it faces. They get taken down, owners get sued, hearts are broken. The industry strengthens its grip and pushes for harsher laws. I don't think groups like the RIAA or MPAA are too fussed about visual novels they didn't create, but I am absolutely certain that if you host other people's content for free without their permission and put up a big sign saying, "Come get your free visual novels! It's all easy and they're all here!", those people will get pissed off. Especially if you say, "Well if you're so pissed off, why don't YOU distribute your games?" This sort of blackmailing doesn't encourage overseas sales. It encourages lawsuits and takedowns, and gives a bad impression of Western fans.

> If the issue is her copyright activism, then debate about that. Bringing in side issues is just being very dishonest.
Well I have a problem with both, and they're both related. I don't see why I'm not allowed to dislike two things.

>>8591164
You're really having trouble with English comprehension. I hope it isn't your first language.

I'm going to bed after this post, so I'll read the archive thread next morning since I doubt it has any groundbreaking information for me.

>Look at any "mainstream" piracy website and the problems it faces.
Nyaa? Tokyotosho? Anime-sharing? Are they facing any problems?

>I am absolutely certain that if you host other people's content for free without their permission and put up a big sign saying, "Come get your free visual novels! It's all easy and they're all here!", those people will get pissed off.
I have already said and will say again, explain to me why the same reasoning doesn't apply to the anime and manga scene?

>Well I have a problem with both(*both refers to copyright activism and piracy), and they're both related.
You said:
>I am okay with illegally downloading games. I am okay with websites that offer games for illegal download.
You have been contradicting yourself repeatedly.

>>8591227
>"mainstream"
>Nyaa? Tokyotosho? Anime-sharing?

try pirate bay. the ones you listed are all niche ones.

>>8591270

and visual novels wouldn't be?

I don't understand why people want licensing out here int he west anyway.

The creators would see a pittance from the sale, and all the money would go to the publishers who have done fuck all. Official translations are usually pretty bad, original content is often times cut or censored, and the physical product often times sells at a higher price and lacks any of the extras that the original had (posters, cards, etc...)

You also sometimes see problems with the audio, being cut, or the soundtrack missing bits and pieces.

VNs just aren't that popular here, so the actual creators don't have much to gain by selling out here, (only the super bloated publishers who aren't even needed do) and if I like a title enough, I will often order a physical copy for display purposes and to support the creators.

The only thing licensing would do is make incentive for people to crack down on the fan translation scene. Because ultimately, if there wasn't a license holder outside of Japan than the entire market would continue to be largely ignored, as it's been.

>>8591436
excellent post

>>8591436
>if I like a title enough, I will often order a physical copy for display purposes and to support the creators.
you'll support the same publishers as you would with the license.

the creators give the license to sell the games to a publisher in exchange for licensing money. after that all money goes to publisher, the creator's done with it.

unless it's a small doujin group who sells it personally on events like the comicets.

Why the hell would eroge companies be angry at foreigners pirating their games when it's the Japanese people who upload them on the Internet?

>>8591436
I feel I've read this before.
> The creators would see a pittance from the sale, and all the money would go to the publishers who have done fuck all.
Not necessarily. If the publishers want to license it, it's basically free money. It's clear that companies like JAST are making money. If you're a translator and want money, start a localization company. Like those people from Something Awful did.
> Official translations are usually pretty bad, original content is often times cut or censored, and the physical product often times sells at a higher price and lacks any of the extras that the original had (posters, cards, etc...)
Physical media is always a sad loss. I liked it when games came with extras. I still have some Infocom feelies lying around my desk. Though with digital distribution this will be the case anyway, until we invent replicators or this RepRap thing takes off. Anyway, there's no reason translations have to be bad. This isn't the 90s where people will eat this shit up and deal with it (at least, not as much). A better product does make for more sales if it's marketed the same, and there are plenty of competent translators out there (both hobbyists and professionals).
> You also sometimes see problems with the audio, being cut, or the soundtrack missing bits and pieces.
I have never seen this happen. If this happens I would request a refund and type up a very long post on /jp/ and people would agree with me and stuff and it would be great.

FIELD TOO LONG

>>8591436
>and the physical product often times sells at a higher price
Nope.
The original version of Demonbane sold for 8,800Y.
JAST's sold for 40USD.
Even the cheaper Nitro the Best reprint of Demonbane sells for 3,990Y which comes out to ~50USD.

And with most eroge, if you didn't preorder the first print, you're not getting any bonuses of any kind if you buy it new.

>>8591546
> VNs just aren't that popular here
They're getting there. It's a pretty simple medium but one that can do great things. Look at how massively popular KS has been. A ton of people were probably shocked to discover there's a whole back catalog of similar games in Japan.
> the actual creators don't have much to gain by selling out here
Oh snap I think I misinterpreted what you said earlier but I can't be bothered to change it. It's pretty easy to self-publish over the internet, and plenty of small development groups working in their little Japanese kitchens have became pretty successful by themselves. Why wouldn't they want more money? How is having someone else help you expand overseas "selling out"?
> if I like a title enough, I will often order a physical copy for display purposes and to support the creators.
You're more supporting K Line and FedEx.
> The only thing licensing would do is make incentive for people to crack down on the fan translation scene.
This bit I definitely agree with. In a large market where VNs are popular, we can have official translations or we can have fan translations. We can't really have both because publishers would just fire off C&Ds at anyone who prevents future sales.
> if there wasn't a license holder outside of Japan than the entire market would continue to be largely ignored, as it's been.
Well it's definitely gaining popularity so we have to choose sides. Or just sit here and pirate like we always have. Whatever works.

>>8591516
Because we're the ones distributing those original copies WITHOUT PERMISSION.
And that irritates the publishers/creators. For some reason. I don't know, maybe some of us were going to move to Japan and buy it one day, so we've cost them a sale.

Problem:
Anime and manga downloads are easy, available and acceptable. The anime and manga business is huge enough to survive even in the west.

Visual novel downloads are more complicated, less available, and distributing licensed material is shunned upon.
The visual novel market isn't established in the west.

The way I see it, Aaeru is 10 flavours of insane, but her reasons make sense.
She wants visual novels to be in the same kind of "gray-area" as manga and anime are, so we wouldn't have this "SUPPORT JAST USA HURR HURR HURR" and projects such as Steins;Gate wouldn't be dropped.
However, she goes full Stallman, and destroys every credibility she has with every post she makes.
And then there's the whole otomege aspect.

If she dropped the political "I am right, you are wrong, copyrights are evil and don't respect your freedom" thing, and toned down the "My gay-loving friend are prioritized higher than the rest of my userbase", she might have a legit chance at doing /something/, but currently, everything she does will amount to nothing.

>>8591559
If you made a book, and it sold like shit, or perhaps pretty decent, but you knew that around the world millions had read your book, many even enjoyed it, but nobody payed you a cent, would you not be mad?
And if you then found out that people were encouraged to get it for free, and not buying a copy from you, and patching it.
Would you not be frustrated?
Don't think about this logically, simply answer.

>>8591581
I'm a musician and a game developer, and I release both for free. If people enjoy my works, then that's awesome. If some of them are even willing to pay for it, even better. I'm not going to get pissed at them because they're enjoying my works without also shoving some money my way, though.

>>8591651
I understand you perfectly, but imagine that being an author was your actual work, and only source of income.

>>8591659
Then I would be pissed that few people are paying for the work, not because many are enjoying it without paying. If only 1% of the readers pays, but that 1% provides enough income for me to keep going, I'm content.

>>8590429
Oh shit you're right. It's all making sense now.

>>8591651
Has anyone ever offered to pay you, VDZ?

>>8591659
Imagine the shared horror of railroad Barrons and horse breeders when the first working automobiles rolled out.

The world, like it or not, has changed, dragged their heels won't get them anywhere. Either find a way to exploit the new system, or learn to live with it.

>>8591681
This is exactly what makes me question whether you're even fit to handle this kind of situation.
It doesn't MATTER if it's correct to you, if it's justice, if it's evolution, if it's freedom.
Fact is, authors would dislike it.

Aaeru is not capable of handling the shared pressure of the entire industry being mad at her.
Not mentally, not socially and not technologically.

I agree that at some point, visual novels will become more accessible due to the internet and publishers making contact with the west, but fuwanovel will not be the reason for this paradigm shift.

To everybody sane Aaeru's "We will download your games, like it or not" makes people feel the same feelings as you would feel had I posted a pony image with the capitation "I'm being a newfag and nobody can stop me, U MAD?!".
Pure rage.

>>8591680
Currently being an intern for a game developer (doing both coding and music, apparently we don't have the budget to get a better musician). The pay is shit, the work is stressful and exhausting at times and I'm working 40-hour weeks, but I'm giving it my all. As long as I'm capable of working on games full-time, I don't really care whether I get paid decently or not. I wouldn't mind continuing working for this shitty pay after my internship ends.

This stuff will be my job in the future and I will become dependent on people actually buying the stuff, but my opinion still stands.

Aeru needs to get laid, she always acts like she has a stick up her ass.

if she always has a stick up her ass she is getting laid, right?

>>8591736
>>8591739
>my use of a scarce good excludes your use. If I eat the banana then you can't eat it too. If I am using a vibrator then you can't use it too, at the same time (well technically you can but that is besides the point).
Something something Freud.

i will not let this jewel drop from the front page!
bump for greater justice and retarded dramaqueens fighting TEH SYSTEM!

bump

Is it just me or is the elitist superstructure trying to keep fuwanovel off the map?

>>8592721
Give me all your money, and I'll tell you.

>>8591713
>Aaeru is not capable of handling the shared pressure of the entire industry being mad at her.

So your argument turned from anti-piracy(no game downloads), to anti-copyright-activism(no championing causes), and now it's because you're concerned for poor little Aaeru.

>I posted a pony image with the capitation...
We cannot refuse to see your post on 4chan, but you have the choice to not put www.fuwanovel.com in your address bar. You're going out of your way to be offended and acting all indignant. You're just being unreasonable and hate the idea of someone doing something useful.

>>8593300
>We cannot refuse to see your post on 4chan
yes we can, it's called filtering.

>>8593424
You can filter a uniquely-modified image with no text? Please tell moot how so he can filter accel-spammer and their likes.

so /jp/ i've got an idea

copy aaeru's design (since she doesn't believe ideas can be copyrighted), rearrange the letters of the logo to spell "waifunovel"

use the site to link to ddls of jast/mg games and talk about how shitty otome games are

enjoy her reaction

worth the trouble?

>>8593960
Like, totally epic, brah.

>>8593960
Wahaha, you almost made me spill my drink.

The horrible thing about Fuwanovel was not that one was obliged to join the board, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.

>>8593960
Why not? It'll be just as successful as fuwanovel, I'm sure.

>>8593977
Probably more successful, since it would actually be useful.

>>8593960
You can't even be bothered to capitalize. The chances of you putting in that amount of effort is less than the chances of /jp/ having zero trolls.

>>8594383
>implying /jp/ has trolls

The waifugate remind me of this South Park episode about Family Guy. Aaeru is the president of Comedy Central and that girl translating otome games is Cartman.

>http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/81-the-debate-about-the-copyright/page__view__findp
ost__p__1017

Oh 14sick, just fuck off already. You honestly think someone who lack capitalization skills will amount to anything? Stop resorting to unscrupulous ways to push your faggotry.

Aaeru's understanding on the differences between property and intellectual property might be a little flawed, but what she's doing will not harm anything. Go hound Obama if you want to give your opinion on policies that actually mean something.

>>8594438
Aaeru, why so fuwa?

>>8594438
We don't like UTTER FAGGOTS here.

plz go :(

>>8594383
>2012
>still bitching about capital letters
nigga you gay?

I just noticed several threads that were deleted for no apparent reason.

Analogue a Hate story and the "what have you pirated recently" thread.

Why,Aaeru?

>>8595526
> Analogue a Hate story
Maybe Christine Love's feminazi views conflicted with Aaeru's own?

> "what have you pirated recently"
She deleted her own thread promoting piracy too. Perhaps she's worried about legal issues or she's going to go even crazier and start the whole Richard Stallman "IT'S NOT PIRACY WE WERE TAUGHT TO SHARE AS KIDS DON'T COMPARE ME TO MARAUDERS" thing.

>>8595538
What happened to tolerance,Aaeru?

>>8595544
All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others.

>>8595544
Tolerance is for UTTER FAGGOTS.

So to summarise, Aaeru's original objectives were:
* To make an easy-to-use site to download visual novels for newbies.
* To spread the word and grow a larger visual novel fanbase in the West.
* To use the popularity of piracy to encourage official English language releases.

Aaeru's new objective is:
> To revolutionize the way we view copyright in relation to fan translations, fansubs & scanlations by scrutinizing the assumed basic legitimacy of copyright in the first place.

Here is her rationale (guessing this was the manifesto mentioned in the chatlog):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yo9eFYH6LvFjQ5Vq85zJlxhWLVg3C8xy18mcDtNnpNs/edit?pli=1
Have fun tearing this apart, guys.

>BTW, /jp/ is not representative of all fan translators.
Has anyone ever claimed this?

>>8593300
I don't think I'm the person you think I am, and you misunderstand me.
Perhaps capable is the wrong word.
I am not concerned about her, but about the industry getting mad.
She would not be able to handle them well, and would thus leave us with a lot of mad developers.
Hope I explained it properly.

Also, >"We cannot refuse to see your post on 4chan"
Yes you can, you could not go to 4chan, just the same way you could not go to fuwanovel.

I think Aaeru is being ridiculous but reading that email makes me agree with her a little more. People need to have more balls. I kind of wish I was a fan translator, because I would happily attach my real name to the project and continue even in the face of a C&D. I'm panicky around people and very poor, but I would gladly appear in court if I had internet folk backing me. Though I doubt the Japanese companies would do shit, and that one translation group (their name escapes me) continued translating and got a license deal out of it. That's the sort of thing we should be going for.

>>8591681
> Imagine the shared horror of railroad Barrons and horse breeders when the first working automobiles rolled out.
> The world, like it or not, has changed, dragged their heels won't get them anywhere. Either find a way to exploit the new system, or learn to live with it.
Aaeru actually (re)blogged about this:
http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/fuwanovel-reblogs-nobody-asked-for-a-refrigerator-fee
/
The article she links is interesting, though how she applies it to her own thoughts is stupid.
I agree with the sentiment though. We have something better and cheaper. The internet has made it possible to share these things for free, and even if it's illegal, people are doing it. Authors need to work around that and find some new way to earn money.
Though Aaeru's ideas are just crazy. Her "viable business models":
> Release a Visual Novel that is free-to-play.
> Lets you choose Option A or Option B (which are both free) but Option C is the special date with the girl (cost $1):
> Make an eroge where there’s a button on the corner of the screen that represents one of the heroines. as soon as you hit the button, you donate $1. 50cents goes to that seiyuu, other 50cents goes towards others (devs etc). So if you particularly like the girl on her route, you spam the $1 button at the corner because you are so moved to. No, You WANT to because she has won your heart!
> During an H-scene, press the $1 button (that appears) to make the girl orgasm harder. The more you press it, the harder she ‘releases’. <--
> The VN is free to play but to start the game, you have to enter your bank account details in. That way, the $1 transfers work On-the-fly.

>>8596314
Hilarious.
Here's a more realistic thought. A fair number of console exclusive non-ero titles reducing the impact of piracy, smooth digital distribution of PC ero titles at reasonable (reduced) prices, and physical added-value bonus editions to increase profit margins by appealing to devoted fans.

The biggest factor that would increase profitability in the western market specifically, of course, is more professional translations of higher quality titles (probably non-ero), distributed through high-profile channels.

>>8596343
Those are all good ideas.
People like having a physical copy, especially with Japanese goods for some reason. Even in the West, fans will pay hundreds of dollars and jump through hoops to get a game they have already downloaded for free. I think more Japanese companies should consider exporting games for this purpose. Sell shipping crates of them to J-List or something. Or at least give MangaGamer/JAST/whoever exclusive rights to manufacture boxes and sell an official translation. I don't know if this happens already, I always assumed it was all done digitally.

Someone (preferably in Japan) should try an experiment. Create an eroge or whatever, put it online for free BUT also release the exact same game as a hardcopy for a few thousand yen. See how well it fares.

lol

Ero is holding back eroge.

>>8596466
gay is holding my dick in ur but

>>8596314
>enter your bank account details
>into an eroge

Fucking amazing

>>8598056
Well duh, if you had to open your Web browser it would ruin the immersion. I also think you should have to enter your real name so that the characters refer to you appropriately, and perhaps your Social Security number for SSN-restricted content in-game (e.g. the protagonist receiving medical treatment to not die).

When is he going to translate something?.

>>8596214
It's like anti-fuwa people don't even bother to read! Not even the things they link themselves! Read the last paragraph of the document and tell me what it says.

>>8596266
>Yes you can, you could not go to 4chan
This is practically saying, "you could not go on the internet". You and I know that. Stop being dishonest.

>leave us with a lot of mad developers.
So? Will they stop making VNs? No. Your spiel is no different from MPAA's "artists will starve to death". And we know how the MPAA is full of shit. Well, so are you.

>>8596314
>Aaeru's ideas are just crazy. Her "viable business models":
I'm going to have to ask you for a citation. The only similar thing I saw was an edited image posted by someone ANTI-fuwa.

>>8596343
>Here's a more realistic thought
No you dumb fuck. How the fuck do you plan to get "console exclusive" titles, "smooth digital distribution" and shit like this? The western gaming market is barely able to handle this paradigm shift(only Valve has done it right), and you expect a much smaller and more closed-minded industry to do the same in a smaller timespan? And you still call Aaeru stupid?

>Someone (preferably in Japan) should try an experiment
PFFTTT. Tell me you are 12 or something. At least your gullibility would be somewhat cute.

>>8598133
Shouldn't you be working on your website rather than posting here, Aaeru? It's taking you an awfully long time.

Also,
>[not going on 4chan] is practically saying, "you could not go on the internet".
Hahaha, oh wow.

By the way, that "Hare Tokidoki o Tenkiame" was a fucking awesome visual novel, two of its theme song (by White Clover) are the two fucking best I've heard in 3 years.

>>8598160
Pretty sure there are marked differences from the way Aaeru argues. I don't hesitate to label your stupidity for what they are.

>Hahaha, oh wow.
See, you can't accept reality. In all likelihood, you're here to stay. You've probably been here longer than I have. The idealists turned out not to be the for-fuwa side, but the anti-fuwa side.

i'm gay, lol. I'm gay. I;m gay.

That derpy face never fails to make me smile every time I see it.

>>8598133
> Read the last paragraph of the document and tell me what it says.
Which paragraph? That was a direct quote from Aaeru.

> I'm going to have to ask you for a citation.
Direct quotes:
http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/79-fuwanovel-is-looking-for-new-hosting/page__view__fin
dpost__p__947

Cannot be bothered to argue for points that weren't mine, but
> So? Will they stop making VNs?
No, but they will not sign license deals either. It's quite clear that Aaeru isn't the best negotiator. Besides, it could certainly backfire and then we'll have more C&Ds and nonsense like DRM. People make still *make* VNs, but our ability to download, translate and run them will be hampered, no matter how "underground" we go.

>>8598205
>Which paragraph? That was a direct quote from Aaeru.
It says that she is reverting to providing full games, and that the copyright activism will be limited to small banners. Therefore, while your summary of her past stands were correct, you left out the crucial fact about her current stand.

>Direct quotes:
I will not defend her idea since it really is stupid/unfeasible, but in her defence,
>Oh yeah I thought up of perhaps a viable business models for Visual Novels
It was a fleeting thought and not as if she was basing her entire site around it. Everyone has these kinds of thoughts now and then, it's more about how far we take it.

>>8598205
Forgot to respond to your last point.

>could certainly backfire and then we'll have more C&Ds and nonsense like DRM
It could also bring more western fans into the market, which translates into bigger sales, and gradually the turnaround of VN companies into accepting the foreign market. It's your prediction against mine.

>Aaeru isn't the best negotiator
Your understanding of the situation is flawed. Aaeru isn't wanting to negotiate at all.

>>8598230
> It says that she is reverting to providing full games
So it does! Divided about this. I think it's admirable and useful, but I have the same doubts I had a month ago.
> the copyright activism will be limited to small banners.
She mentioned this. Pic related, a mock-up.
> you left out the crucial fact about her current stand.
That's true, this does change a lot. But my quote was stated by her as Fuwanovel's new objective. Though she does seem to have a lot of objectives, so I've lost track of which is her "main" goal and which are supplementary (for instance in the manifesto, she mentions using Fuwanovel to help people find ways to learn Japanese).
> It was a fleeting thought and not as if she was basing her entire site around it. Everyone has these kinds of thoughts now and then, it's more about how far we take it.
That's true and I respect that. However I think it is the sort of thing she should put effort into thinking about, because her entire philosophy hinges around the idea people can make money *without* copyright (or at least without treating digital property as "intellectual property").

>>8598250
You know, you need to date the mock-up because the current rate of change means that it probably doesn't match her current stand. If the latest email says she's using small banners, then we should base our discussion on that.

>(help people find ways to learn Japanese)
This is a particularly noble goal, and she is already doing it! Look into her guide on learning Japanese through Visual Novels, https://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-2-years-time-step-by-st
ep-guide/. I think that she wants to leverage fuwanove to help more people be able to follow her original guide.

>I think it is the sort of thing she should put effort into thinking about
She is, we can see that from the amount of reading she is doing, and that's also why her views have been changing rather than having a one and only stand all the way. I don't think it is fair to expect a professional-style business approach from someone trying to provide a free service to uphold some values that she holds.

>>8598290
> You know, you need to date the mock-up because the current rate of change means that it probably doesn't match her current stand.
She linked it in the chatlog, which can't be more than a couple days old. In fact she references the document in the chatlogs, though whether she's changed it since then I don't know.
> Look into her guide on learning Japanese through Visual Novels,
I already did. I thought it was decent, glad she provided realistic timeframes.
> I don't think it is fair to expect a professional-style business approach from someone trying to provide a free service to uphold some values that she holds.
I understand that, but it's vital to the success of what she's trying to do. It's entirely possible many visual novel authors feel the same way, but cannot find any viable, alternative ways to monetize their creations. Perhaps it's not commercially viable and the current system is a "necessary evil". I get the ice men analogy, but the fact is that copyright does exist and she cannot sway people over to a different way of thinking unless they can make money that way too. Hell that's partly why copyright exists in the first place, to stop Smith & Co. Bootleggers from making unauthorized copies of Sherlock Holmes for a few shillings less.

>>8598325
Not sure what's the chatlog you're referring to, but I'll take your word for it. My opinion is that the banner is slightly overdoing it, in terms of size and position. However, it doesn't break the rest of the site.

>it's vital to the success of what she's trying to do
All she has to do to "succeed" is to not get taken down, C&D or otherwise. No one is expecting fuwanovel to revolutionise the copyright concept are they?

>ice men analogy
In fact, I don't agree with using the analogy, nor with the idea that copyright should be completely abandoned. But because fuwanovel will not be able to do such a thing, debating about the concept of copyright is merely a red herring. This is why I still support fuwanovel, because it will only serve to increase the ease of access to VNs, which is a good cause. Unless you're a hipster, of course.

A FEW PEOPLE ABUSE COPYRIGHT
THEREFORE COPYRIGHT IS EVIL
MY ARGUMENT IS SOUND
WHY DO YOU ALL HATE FREEDOM

>>8600954
Why did you have to keep this miserable thread alive?

this turned from "well this shit is funny" to "I feel sorry reading this let it stop" pretty quickly

>>8600974
More like people realized she's batshit insane.

>>8600964
Because I hate you. I despise you and everything you stand for. One tiny gesture to make your life even slightly more miserable is a godsend in my book.

expanding VN popularity in the west -> some sort of weeaboo communism?

>>8598133
It's not that the devs would stop making games, it's that they would refuse to license them to the west.
Do you not even realize this?

>>8601102
Implicationing licensing matters when we all do underground translations anyway.

In fact licensing is worse because I'm poor and I prefer games I can pirate for free.

>>8601107
You wouldn't have any translator blogs for updates, and patches would take longer since the DRM would be more draconian.

>>8601116
Whoa nigger you just said they would refuse licensing. Which I could not give a shit about. In fact I prefer it.
I don't want to visit visualnoveldownloads.cn to find my favorite VN has been "licensed" so I cannot download it. I want to download my favorite VN.

If this bitch pisses off some nips so they add DRM, I don't give a shit. Hippies from the EFF will go batshit insane trying to crack it, and eventually they will. I don't mind waiting a few weeks more if that's what it takes.

asda

>>8601142
You wouldn't have any blogs, because the devs would send out C&D's left and right, not because they'd become "Official".
Also, I doubt the EFF cares much about the VN "scene".
Who do we have except Cudder?

As an IP law student, I find fuwanovel hilarious.

>>8601807
As a design student, I find fuwanovel fuwa fuwa.

>>8601807

As a shut-in, I find IP law the greatest lie of the modern digital age

糞 ｔｈｒｅａｄ

>>8600977
Unfortunately not enough people. There's still people offering their help for her silly projects (see the new thread on the volunteers talk board) and someone even gave her hosting and helped her move the website. Oh, and we're back to offering all pirated versions of games again.

So, is supposed to be "fuwa" as in 付和 or 不和?

Enough talk, more translations please.

When is he going to translate something?.

>>8601896
when you bend over and take this peni

>>8601896
ARGUING ABOUT COPYRIGHT LAW IS THE FUTURE OF TRANSLATING

>>8601195
>You wouldn't have any blogs, because the devs would send out C&D's left and right,

Which totally explains the non-existance of nyaa, tokyotosho, anime-sharing right?

>>8601994
That's because the industry turns a blind eye to them so long as they don't host licensed material. This is a great system that benefits everybody.

Shame we're not doing exactly the same for visual nove-oh wait, we are.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO TEAR DOWN ALL THAT WE HAVE CREATED, AAERU?

>>8602001
Who the fuck cares? Seriously.

Guys I wanna troll the site but it says that my posting privileges have been taken away by a mod what do?

>>8602034
Uh, everyone?

>>8602069
Stop being 12.

>>8602087
That's usually the "official" policy. I use none of those sites so I don't know exactly.

>>8602094
That's only like bakabt. And their definition of "licensed" is either pretty narrow or they give less of a fuck than I thought. Or maybe someone convinced them that BEI stopping new releases was somehow equivalent to Gundam titles no longer being licensed despite them still being in print, I don't know. nyaa and tokyotosho have torrents for licensed things which occasionally defy all reason (seriously why do people upload widely available dubs?). Although nyaa did take down their tracker and switch to an open one lately.

In my opinion trying to confront a bunch of small Japanese companies about copyrights when the basically turn a blind eye to what the fuck happens over here because international markets are largely irrelevant to them is dumb as fuck. They're far more worried about things like uploading full playthroughs to Nico Douga than what some people do halfway around the world where the game isn't sold or playable in the default OS region.

FUWANOVEL IS HOSTING GAMES AGAIN.
THIS WILL BE GREAT.
EVEN FOR /jp/.
FUCK POLITICS, EASY DOWNLOADS.
WE ALL WIN.

>>8602237
Downloads have always been easy.

>>8602248
No they've become progressively more difficult. It used to be all http://example.com/file.zip, or a simple GET over FTP. Now it's all CLICK THE CATS WITH WORDS ON THEM TO OPEN A POP-UP TO ``DIRECT DOWNLOAD'' YOUR FILE AFTER 30 SECONDS.

Even if it's BitTorrent (which I think it will be), we'll get plenty of seeders because there are plenty of idiots. And even as relatively intelligent, seasoned VN fans ourselves, having pre-patched games for our convenience is a nice thing.

>We've found new servers. Migration complete! Thank you to daddycool for the move~

So why aren't you hanging out at the new secret area of VIP quality, /jp/?

>>8602264
>they've become progressively more difficult
This is true. I feel direct downloading is going to die very soon, at least in the US. Most overseas services refuse to deal with US IPs.

It's very annoying, seeing this sort of "internet policing", especially when it's ruining a very helpful service to satisfy the whims of a few disgustingly wealthy individuals. A lot of rare games and albums have disappeared along with Megaupload.

>>8602354
As much as I enjoy VIP quality. It moves a little slow for my tastes.

Being

>>8601882
dat pun.

Aeru x Ixrec

>>8602599
Has anyone translated this? It sounds good.

AAERU GO TRANSLATE THIS. FOR A TRANSLATOR YOU HAVEN'T DONE MUCH TRANSLATION.

>>8602599
Too lewd.

>>8602626
>implying you need a translation to fap to aaer- I mean nazuna

Does Aeru realise that she lives in Sydney?

Which is in Australia and not the States?

>>8602599
what's the name of that game?

>>8602631
Wincest story eroge are delicious.

>>8602723
晴れときどきお天気雨

>>8601116
>patches would take longer since the DRM would be more draconian.
as if japs could actually do drm. their attempts at it are even more pathetic than usa's.

>>8602599
...isn't she crippled?

stay dry.

Did anyone catch that "I have a really good question." thread? Right when I clicked on it Aaeru deleted it.

http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/81-the-debate-about-the-copyright/page__view__findpost_
_p__1045
> This is basically compulsory viewing, if you actually care about visual novel fan translations.
LOL WUT

>>8603027
Which board was it in?

I COMMAND YOU TO REVIVE