/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I did.

>>8486225

I have a terrible time with languages. I could barely get through three semesters of Spanish.

I should get around to finishing that game some time.

i will eventually, it just takes a HELLa long time with AJATT

I'll start tomorrow.

But I have, onii-chan, both Kanji and Osaka dialects.

>>8486225
I don't need to know Japanese to play Touhou, and I can't imagine using it for anything else.

I do, but it's 難しい.

I have started learning it four days ago, but I've only just memorized all hiragana. I guess I suck at this language thing.

I kind of stopped for a while after kana, but recently I've wanted to give it another shot so I downloaded Genki 1+2, but I haven't really commited to reading them. Now that I quit playing League of Casuals I'll probably get to them though.

>>8486276
>four days ago
>but I've only just memorized all hiragana.

Wtf, 4 days for hiragana is perfectly fine. Some people need 2 - 3 weeks for that.

I had the opportunity in high school, but I took German instead.

I'm a normalfag.

>>8486398

Und wie ist Ihr Deutsch so?

>implying I can't speak japanese

>>8486409
Hervorragend.

I'm reading through Genki 1 + 2 but only the grammar points because i'm impatient.

>>8486276

Not sure if serious. I've just started two days ago and only memorised the vowels. Fuck, now that's sucking.

Even skipped a few lessons too see what I'm getting myself into. I can safely say Kanji will rape my shit.

>>8486443

It's all a matter of commitment and available free time. I memorized hiragana on one day with endless repetitions. Autism-style.

>>8486423
That's probably the best place to start anyways. You can learn every single bit of vocabulary first, but it won't do you a bit of good if you don't know how to put the words together.

>>8486466

Holy fuck son. How long was the cram? I'm only doing like an hour too an hour and thirty a day.

>>8486231
How do you pronounce 主 to say OP?

I've been studying for many years but very sporadically so I don't even know more than a few hundred kanji.

At first I tried because I wanted to read Japanese VNs but now there are so many English translations (finished and ongoing) that I can't get motivated. I can't even finish my backlog.

Like I have the motivation to sit down and memorize kanji.

If I could learn by like, deciphering easy to read VNs as I went along or something instead of just memorizing shit, I'd probably do it.

>>8486443
With that attitude it will. You need to stop making such a big deal out of it.

The way I learned them was to start out with the vowels, studying flashcard style and just focusing myself completely on memorizing them, not minding anything else. Then I just noticed after a little while that I was feeling confident with them, and moved on to the next set of 5. Then I mixed them with the vowels to make sure I still remembered them. Then I moved on to the next 5. And it went so smoothly and I started feeling so confident that I just went through all of them in a couple of hours.

Basically, you need to stop looking at the whole mountain before you and instead split it all up into small steps and completely focus on each of those steps until you feel you got them. The rest just works itself out.

>>8486508
>but now there are so many English translations
I fucking hate this. Whenever I feel like reading an eroge, I'd rather read it in Japanese so I can get better at it, but as a result, I've missed out on nearly everything that has been translated the past few years.

I'm not interested in learning japanese, that would ruin a lot of music I like.

>>8486529
Really? Even when I listen to English music I don't really catch the lyrics unless I listen closely. I pay more attention to the melody

>>>/lang/
>>>/a/

>>8486521

Thanks for the advice. Currently doing it like that now. Gonna study the K combinations today.

I know my limits though. I can do this shit but for me, it'll take a lot of time a dedication.

At least you success will motivate me to follow through.

I'm too lazy and have no motivation. I can understand a lot of the spoken language, but I can't read it.

But I AM learning it, OP. In fact, I was just practicing my kanji reading skills on a very official and trusted source, Princess Maker 4.

>>8486555
The vocals is the most important part in most of the music I listen to and a lot of the emotional depth of a voice disappears for me when I understand the lyrics.

>>8486597
>>8486529

I thought I was the only one

But it's so easy, /jp/. Pic related!

I've studied for years and I still can't grasp basic grammatical concepts. I'm just not smart enough.

I understand hiragana, katakana and half of the joyo kanji, but my grammar sucks.

I can only get a rough meaning of meaning in native level materials and conversation. Its frustrating

>>8486612
I had a tape like that to learn Spanish like 15 years ago.

You played the tape while sleeping and supposedly it'd help you learn it. I don't think it said anything about being subliminal however.

I never used it however, so I don't know if this worked at all. Probably not.

I only started a few weeks ago. Somewhat understand basic grammar and like 100 words. Gonna rush through the kanji because memorizing stuff is easy for me.

Been slacking off though so only new 120 kanji today.

The way I learnt kana was by writing them on graph paper multiple times per day, making sure to use correct stroke order, perfecting my writing. Five kana were learnt a day in that fashion.

>>8486498

I think it was 6 - 7 hours in a row. Of course, it took a few days more to read sentences in hiragana without stopping at each individual character.

I have ADHD. It's really fricken hard to keep a second language stuck in my head.

I did a month of it back in November, but as usual I dropped it before doing anything special with it. Now I get this procrastination feeling whenever I look at my Japanese notebook.

I'll get around to it sometime.

>>8486644
I suppose this could help people of all learning styles, as you see it, hear it, say it, and write it all at once.
Perfect for autists

I started two weeks ago. I learned both kana charts on the first day, then I went through basic phrases the next three days, a week of combined basic vocabulary and grammar and now I've been grinding kanji for 3 days. I can write and recognize about 250 of them, but I can't fucking learn their ON-readings. I guess I will naturally pick them up when I start associating the vocabulary to its kanji.

I am terrible with language.

>>8486686

>250 kanji in two weeks.

2/10, made me read.

>>8486699
What, are you implying that's not simple to do or something?

>>8486705

It took me two weeks to learn hiragana and katakana. Two fucking weeks. And you say you memorized 250 kanji, in addition to vocabulary and grammar? That's bullshit

>>8486715

Don't assume everyone is as retarded as you are. Either you are a kid with ADD who can't focus on something for more than 10 minutes, or you have subhuman intelligence.

>>8486715
Not trying to put you down, but it's not hard for many people to learn hiragana/katakana in a few days. As for 250 kanji in 3 days, I don't know but I suppose it might be possible to get a fuzzy knowledge of about that much without readings.

>>8486715
Also ignore >>8486722, anyone who talks like him is clearly more subhuman than he would like to admit. It's like saying a computer is intelligent.

>>8486715

Reread his post. He can't actually read them or identify any compounds they're in.

>>8486722
>Don't assume everyone is as retarded as you are.

I'd say claiming to "know" kanji you can't even read or make sense of in context is somewhere south of how retarded he is.

>>8486715

I think if you're dedicated you'll be able to do it with flash cards or something. Maybe memorize the Kun'yomi on your first time through then On'yomi on your second time or something. Sooner or later it should become easier to memorize them by their parts. I don't know how you'd memorize stroke order with flash cards though. That's only like 20 Kanji a day either anyway so it shouldn't be too hard.

お前ら別に日本語を習って就職しようとするわけでもないのに、なんでわざ
わざそんなに苦労して習おうとするんだ？英語に翻訳されたVNやアニメ なんてお前らが一生かけても読み切れないほどある。お前たちが日本語を習
いたい理由はただ一つ：それはお前らが全員キモオタのウィーアブーでい
ずれは日本に行って秋葉でオタグッズを買ったりメイドカフェーとかに行
きてーからだ。違うか？

大体よ、お前らがガイアや/a/たちのことをウィーアブーウィーアブーと言い
まくってるけどあんたら本人が最大のキモウィーアブーじゃねーか。

ちなみに、もしComiketとかに行くつもりなら俺も連れてってくれ。案内人に
なってあげるし、お前らのコックスとかも相当出来のいいトラップ衣装を着
ながら吸ってあげたりするから。

>>8486765

何処でこのコピペを発見した？

>>8486761

I said I don't know most of their On-readings. I'm perfectly fine with kun-readings, and I know the stroke order and meaning of all of them. Your reading comprehension is lacking.

>>8486794
If you aren't learning their on readings, you're retarded.
With each set of kanji you do, you should learn all the readings.

>>8486715

It took me 2 weeks to learn hiragana and another 2 to learn katakana(and I forgot half of it because I use it less frequently). Then I switched to flashcards and actually drawing those characters and now I have no problems learning 100 kanji each day.

Just stop being lazy and pick a good method for learning. I'd consider myself well below average intelligence and it's still easy to do.

>>8486765

ああそれと

>>8486686
>>8486699
>>8486705
>>8486715
>>8486722
>>8486749
>>8486755
>>8486770

お前ら全員アホだ。他人がどのくらい早く漢字を習えるかはお前たち自身に
は全く関係のないことだ。

自分は自分のペースで。５年かけて語学を習う奴もいれば六ヶ月で習える奴
もいる。そんに毎回毎回他人のことを気にしてちゃ社会は渡り合っていけ
ない、その社会がたとえネット上だけでも。


>>8486792

なんでコピペだと思う？これくらいキモオタの集まる掲示板じゃあ日本語の
分る奴なんてゴロゴロいるだろう。いったい誰がVNとか翻訳してると思っ
てる？

>>8486765
>>8486800
Sorry but Japanese is almost(as you said, otaku goods) useless.
Forget about finding a job because of it.

Because I'm a lazy sack of shit playing vidya all day

>>8486815

That wasn't the point of his post at all.

Confirmed for not being able to read Jap.

Getting the English meanings of Kanji down is not a problem, but to be able to remember their Kun and On readings individually is beyond me. Hopefully, going straight to KO sentences and corePLUS is fine, and the readings will come naturally, I hope.

>>8486803
Most on-readings are really simple, like one or two syllables each. They are also really repetitive. There's no way I could memorize them, so I'm just leaving it for later. I think knowing them individually is useless, so I'll just infer them from the compounds.

>>8486815
You don't learn a language to get a job, you learn it because you like it. You dumbfuck.

暇がねーぇすからバカヤロ。俺さまがおめぇみてぇなきたねニートなんかね
ぇヨ！

I hate my lack of motivation.

>>8486828

Incorrect. Many Canadians, including me learns a language because it's beneficial for working in certain sectors, like the government.

Some people learn Japanese because they want to immigrate and get a job in Japan (like Debito).

>>8486765
>>8486800

That's what I get for neglecting grammar. I can read almost everything but it makes no sense to me.

>>8486828

This. It's truly despicable to put a price shield on fucking everything. I hate this attitude. Languages are a cultural good, ffs.

>>8486800

日頃に日本語でそんな壮大な投稿は誰も読めないから一旦生かすのが無理だ
。故に見る時は初めて「これはコピペ」って思う。

英語だけ話せるのは情けなくてたまらない。せめて僕の趣味に関係がある日
本語を習った方がいいなって。今しないと、全く一生しないわけだ。

I have other priorities.

>>8486815
>>8486828
>>8486839
>>8486858
YOU LEARN JAPANESE FOR PLAYING LITTLE GIRL GAMES
LIKE OTOME GAMES
GET ALL THE DICKS

>>8486858
>>8486828
Pfft. Retards.

>>8486845
haha dis nigga

>>8486841

I purposely did ridiculously long (compared to English) run-on sentences to throw you off. They're extremely common in dialogues, not as much in written work.

>>8486845

>暇がねーぇすからバカヤロ

理解不可。なんか酔っぱらいゴトみたい。

>>8486871

>今しないと、全く一生しないわけだ。

またまたそんなまともらしいことを語っちゃって...お前も本当はギリギリ幻
想郷行きのキモオタで日本語が喋れないと東方の乙女たちに話せないから
懸命に習ってるんだろ？

>>8486845
then why the fuck are you browsing this board?

>>8486715
LITERALLY retarded

>>8486765
>mfw i actually understood that. what do i win?

ITT no one knows Japanese at all except for the people posting exclusively in it.
If you want to brag on how much you know, show us how much you know by using it.

>>8486909
A trip back to /v/ where you belong.

>>8486909

I was going to come over and suck your cock in my trap outfit but

>mfw

Get the fuck out.

>>8486909
One lethal dose of get-out-of-jp.

>>8486922
>>8486919

It's not my fault you people were spamming other boards, you know.

>>8486936
I highly doubt it was us.
But do yourself a favour and stop going to /v/ anyways. It'll save your mind.

>>8486841
>>8486892
The funny thing is, I can understand the grammar, but I constantly have to rikaichan the kanji. I learned the kana in a couple evenings then worked on grammar but was never able to really get going with the kanji (and grinding kanji without vocab always seemed pointless to me). I've gotten into such a habit of reading VNs with Mecab/Jparser that I even end up checking the meaning of kanji that I really do know, I just start speed-mousing-over everything

>>8486892
ばれた～
勉強しているわけがぁぁ～orz
でもな、幻想郷行きの孤独でねくらな奴らは外国語なんか難しい事を勉強す
るわけがない。どうせ三日坊主なんだから。

>>8486946

Don't worry, I will leave you guys alone. It was never my intention to piss you off by using some internet slang, believe me.

ほんとだ/a/のスレよりこっちのほうがずっといいわ

>>8486952

It's not the internet slang, but the communities that it represents. By not using those, you avoid being labeled as a cross-boarder.

In other words, /jp/'s classy and angry people needs to keep themselves away from the influence of outsiders.

Notice how threads like these bring all the high school and college students taking Japanese from all over 4chan?

>>8486964
It's more like it's painful to watch /jp/ slowly degenerate because we're unfortunately on 4chan.

>>8486955

俺は死んだらアヴァロンでセイバーに会いたいから日本語を習ってるんだ。
セイバーって日本好きのウィーアブーだろ？

金髪のウィーアブーって最高萌え～

>>8486972

あんたには関係ない話だ。

>>8486715
I'm on my sixth day and I've learned hiragana, katakana, about 100 kanji and am currently working on grammar. It's not as absurd as you would think.

I definitely could see someone doing 250 if they're extremely dedicated. Whether they will retain them all depends on whether they stick with them in their SRS.

l'd rather learn ltalian

>>8486979
Why doesn't /jp/ make its own board then?

Moot should just make a sub-board for /jp/ or some shit.

>>8486985
漢字の書き読み覚えても一ヶ月ぐらいたつと忘れてしまうんですが、
何か記憶に残すいい方法しりませんか？
日本語を毎日読んだりすればいいかも？
毎日書くのはやる気がないし、覚えたの全部復習するのも大変な気がする。
。。

>>8486999
/jp/ isn't slow enough for you?

>>8486994
Why, may I ask?
If I learnt a romance language it would be French.
Better than Spanish, at least.

What's the differnce between the various versions of chinese? Like: traditonal, simplified, mandarin..what do they all mean?
I only ask because the thread is already derailed.

>>8486992
Because no-one would move to it. If everyone moved everything would be fine, but it just doesn't work out that way. Besides the new board might be hosted by a worse person/place...

I spent like 8 hours a day studying for a year straight, and then I just completely stopped for years. I need to learn to pace myself better so I don't get burnt out so easily...

I started again a few days ago, spending 1 hour a day. I hope that goes better for me.

>>8487013
Traditional uses older characters (characters as in Kanji) with more strokes
Simplified has much less strokes.
Taiwan uses traditional. Mainland China uses Simplified.

I think Mandarin is the spoken language.
Chinese is the people of China, the language is Mandarin.

>>8487013
Don't learn any version of chinese except 「ボポモフォ」

>>8486996

それはお前の目的によることだ。

エロゲーやVNとか読むためなら、まあ毎日読んでいれば大抵の漢字は自然に
覚えてくるだろう。

入学試験の勉強のことだったら違う話したけど。

>>8487007
l speak spanish as native language. ltalian & spanish are VERY similar. l like how ltalian sounds and looks, it's like everything on it is classy. French is cool too, not as ltalian though.
Portuguese is the worst.

>>8487011
Ah, good point.

>>8487013
Traditional and simplified refer to the writing systems. Traditional is the old way of writing hanzi (the characters look more complex). Simplified is the new way implemented by the communist government. I think traditional is still used in Taiwan.

Mandarin is the "standard" dialect of China; the one everybody supposedly learns. Cantonese is the dialect spoken in Hong Kong. China has a shit-ton of dialects, and many of them are very different from each other, to the point that people from different provinces wouldn't be able to speak to each other if it weren't for Mandarin.

>>8487007
>Better than Spanish, at least.

It is better if you like talking as if you had a cat inside your throat

>>8487025
A friend of mine can attest to that. He speaks Italian, but he can understand the majority of something written in Spanish (like a billboard ad) when he sees it.

>>8487025
I see, I see.
Yes, Italian is cool, but less practical.
It seems as if the more cool a language is, the less practical, in this case.
But isn't Portuguese similar too?

>>8487025

Spanish is my first language too, and I think italian sounds gay. Besides, Why would I waste my time learning a language which is very similar to mine? That's boring.

>>8487007
Someday, I want to learn Italian so I can read Dante RAW.

>>8487037
>It seems as if the more cool a language is, the less practical
That would explain why I want to learn Akkadian.

>>8487038
>Dante

This nigga has some CLASS

>>8487030
I like cats, though.
>>8487038
Sounds reasonable.
War and Peace RAW appears like a good goal, requires Russian and French to read

>>8487013

繁体字は名の示唆とおりで根本に伝統的な中国の意字だ。簡単字は共産党の
読みやすい文字維新対して結果だ。繁体字は主に台湾や香港で使用されて
簡単字は中国語圏の名残りで流行る。マンダリンは一個中国語弁。

>>8487044

Holy balls, did you get that idea from the other thread a month ago I was discussing Akkadian in or is this some gay new meme nobody's told me about

>>8487049

>マンダリンは一個中国語弁。

I can tell that you're Chinese.

>>8487050
I got the idea from studying ancient history, this is the first time I've mentioned it.

I think German ranks the highest in terms of coolness and practicality.

>modern philosophy RAW everywhere
>dat music scene in Germany
>get lots of respect

>>8487054

米穀の白人

>>8487013
There are a bunch of different dialects of "Chinese." Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghaiese, and so on. They all are vastly different and could practically be considered different languages, since someone who speaks one cannot understand a damn thing someone speaking a different dialect is saying. The difference is that big. Mandarin is the official dialect of the Chinese government and the most spoken.

They all use the same writing system, which has characters composed of radicals. Originally some of these were fairly complex, so the Chinese government took steps to "simplify" them in the 50s. Some areas outside of mainland China decided to keep their old characters and that is referred to as "Traditional." Japanese Kanji borrowed from these traditional characters.

>>8486508
Really? Translations are released sporadically enough that you should be able to finish them as they come out and still have time left over. That's also assuming you play everything, and I envy someone who has varied enough taste to enjoy every VN that's translated. In 2011 there were only a handful of translations I was actually interested in, so I was very glad that I was able to read Japanese. It's nice being able to choose what I want to read instead of having that choice made for me by translators.

>>8487054

米国の白人。

>>8487055

What a coincidence, then. I asked for and got a book on Akkadian for Christmas.

http://www.amazon.com/Manual-Akkadian-David-Marcus/dp/0819106089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=13278091
50&sr=8-1

I was mostly drawn to it by Cuneiform.

Because European languages > asian languages

>>8487060

じゃー注意しとくけど

>マンダリンは一個中国語弁

Is Chinese grammar. In Japanese, it should be written like

>マンダリンは中国語の一種。

>>8487035

It doesn't sound gay, just very girly. French, on the other hand, is really gay as HELL.

>>8487072

Have you ever heard of "gutter speak?"

>>8487089
Je... je... le frère-chan est baka!

>>8487097

>frère-chan

Nigga please. French and ロリボイス do not mix.

>>8487085

後で一個って曖昧だから一個の弁って思い出したが正則の言葉が分からなか
った。どうせ不可と思った。その場しのぎの文法を試した。是正ありがと
う。

>>8487122
我要一個、謝謝

>>8487103
I'm not so sure. Of course frère-chan sounds stupid, but I can actually imagine the whole SDM, including Remilia and Flandre, speaking French. It's a bit strange, but it's also classy as hell and it really fits an elegant lady like Remilia.
And if Remilia speaks French, Flandre does, too.

>>8487151
I can see that too, actually.

Never understood why people think french sounds good
Sounds like chewbacca taking a shit

>>8487151

The SDM household speaks with a Marseille accent, and Cirno speaks Parisian French.

>>8487195

I don't understand how people can have such a strong opinion on something. Frhronsh is nothing like chewbacca taking a shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA5_mspsqbc

The words flow much more smoothly compared to English rap.

>>8487195

I think only Brits and some Americans really think French sounds good. Maybe because English is heavily influenced by French.

>>8487230

It sounds drunk.

>>8487226
Um, no, French is rigid as hell compared to English. I really don't see how people can say that it flows well or whatever.

>>8487226
>Rap
Your argument is invalid

>>8487239
>I really don't see how people can say that it flows well or whatever.

because it is literally a language that was designed to sound good

>>8487239

>rigid

Yes, it is much better structured than English. Have you heard French students with an English background trying to pronounce French sentences without liason? Yuck.

Seriously, if you don't think French sounds goods, you're probably not a French person. All of the pronunciation rules are pretty much "well it sounds better this way."

>>8487252
Languages aren't designed. Shut the hell up.

>>8487256
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

>>8487259
French speaker here.

French sounds like SHIT. I think the only language that sounds worse than French is Korean.

>>8487259
No, I'll give it that it sounds good, and I can speak French. What I don't like, however, is when people tell me that it flows better or sounds better than English when sung. That's plain wrong.
As for your first point, French people are pretty bad at English, even if only the accent, so yeah.

>>8487103
But it does.

Where is that video with the weeaboos cooking spam with a kawaii french BGM?

>>8487226
>I don't understand how people can have such a strong opinion on something

Hah, you have no clue. I had to mute "Japan: History of Shooting Game" because I can't stand this language. It's like someone is kicking me constantly in the nuts.

>>8487274

Québécois detected.

>>8487277

>That's plain wrong.

Nigga prease. German, Italian and French all sound better in song than English. I admit, that it is difficult, which is why French opera didn't flourish until JB Lully decided to write down all of the rules.

But I'd take French lyrics for the Messiah over the harsh English lyrics anyday.

>>8487295
>German, Italian and French all sound better in song than English
mmnah, you're just being silly now.

>>8487297

You don't see many ENGLISH operas or cantatas around do you?

>>8487295
I fail to see the relevance. I still understand France French perfectly and I can tell you, coming from a completely unbiased standpoint that French sounds like shit.

Do you realize how silly the argument ``if you don't think French flows the best, you aren't French'' is? Get your pseudo-elitism out of here with your shitty language.

>>8487284

>kawaii french BGM

Tell that to these guys

>>8487239
>>8487256
>>8487274
>>8487277

The real problem with French isn't the silly sound of it, it's the nightmarish grammar. Over 600 irregular verbs. What the fuck.

Explain that, Frenchies.

>>8487319

;_;

>>8487327

If you can learn English grammar, you can learn French grammar.

>>8487327
Every English verb is an irregular one so what's your point?

>>8487327

>nightmarish grammar

Yet you can speak gramatically-perfect English.

>>8487319

From what I remember, French is amazing for the way you can string insulting phrases into each other, easily outmatching nearly every other language.

>>8487334

I'm quite aware of my shortcomings. English isn't my first language, actually.

>>8487332

Sure, English is a grammatical clusterfuck, but French is much worse.

>>8487345
No, French is not worse. English barely has any rules.

>>8487327

French:

je m'apelle, tu t'appele, il s'applle, nous nous appelons, vous vous appelez, ils appellent

je vais, tu vas, il va, nous nous allons, vous vous allez, ils vont

Logical. Makes sense.


English:

abide, abode
wear, worn
awake, awoken
break, broke
mean, meant

What the christ level trolling.

>>8487331

That's simply bullshit and you know it.

>>8487369
>using aller as an example of a verb that makes sense
Excuse me, but what the hell are you doing?

>>8487369
>tu t'appele, il s'applle,

>>8487369
Learning all the irregular verbs in English will take you like an hour. You can fit all of them on a piece of paper.

I had to use a Bescherelle until I finished High School.

>>8487381

TYPOS MY BAD bro

tu t'appelles
il s'appelle

>>8486499
主 おも (adj-na,n,abbr) chief; main; principal; important; main secondary or supporting role (in kyogen); (P)

主 しゅ (n,adj-no) (one's) master; Lord (Christian ref. to Jesus or God); the main thing; the majority; the primary concern; (P)

主 しゅう (n,adj-no,ok) (one's) master; Lord (Christian ref. to Jesus or God); the main
thing; the majority; the primary concern; (P)

主 ぬし (n,pn,fam) head (of a household, etc.); leader; master; owner; proprietor; proprietress; subject (of a rumour, etc.); doer (of a deed); guardian spirit (e.g. long-resident beast, usu. with mystical powers); (P)

主 しゅじん (n,adj-no) head (of a household); proprietor (of a store); proprietress; landlord; landlady; one's husband; (one's) employer; (one's) master; host; hostess; (P)

主 にし (pn,arch,fam) you

主 のし (pn,arch,fam) you

主 す (suf,arch,hon) honorific (or familiar) suffix used after a name

主 あるじ (n,abbr,arch) head (of a household); proprietor (of a store); proprietress; landlord; landlady; master (of a servant); entertaining someone as one's guest

Its very hard because I live in an environment where I really do NOT need Japanese language, and sometimes I ask myself why am I torturing myself with this kanji, why am I learning this language of a people that despise my white background? Then I think to myself, one day I could live in a clean, organized, and powerful country, much better than canada. I could live there, marry a beautiful Japanese woman, have children, buy a house in rural Japan, and really enjoy life there. Of course, the chances of that happening without Kanji is 0%.

I love Japanese and I will learn it with all my heart without ever giving up.

It doesnt matter if I sometimes slow down, I will always learn something... every day a new word, a new kanji, at least one of them

With more time and days passing by, I will be accumulating knowledge that will let me move there and start doing petty jobs that will allow me to mingle with the locals.

Then I will apply for a job at my profession as an engineer!

THAT IS WHY I LEARN THIS LANGUAGE called nihongo!

>>8487657
American here. Aside from your cold temperatures, I'd kill to live in Canada.

>>8487711
Indeed, Canada really isn't that bad. I pity people who have to live in those really urban areas of the states.

>>8486397
Nope. Four days is the average unless you're talking about once-a-week classes (which are retarded).

If you take more than 8 days you'll have a really hard time with the language, 3 weeks is just being retarded.

>>8486699
Don't be an idiot, 250 kanji in two weeks is somewhat the standard.

He said two days though, and that really is bullshit.

ここで外人は日本人になったいですね

>>8487848
>なったい

Learning Chinese is in part because my great grandfather was Chinese, as for my great grandmother? Japanese, which is my next obstacle.
????????

>>8487986
What is your question?
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>>8487989

ｈｅｌｌｏ

>>8487993
Ｈｉ

ヘッロ！

why is kanji harder than katakana and hiragana? how much japanese can you understand if you only know katakana and hiragana?

>>8488074
>why is kanji harder than katakana and hiragana?
Hiragana: 48 characters
Katakana: 51 characters
Kanji: 50,000 characters (estimated)

Also kanji are nearly always more complex.

>how much japanese can you understand if you only know katakana and hiragana?
A very tiny amount. Basically just some of the stuff for kids.

>>8488074
>why is kanji harder than katakana and hiragana?
I wouldn't really say that's true. Kanji might seem threatening at first, but I'd much rather learn 2000 kanji than 2000 characters that are just like hiragana and katakana.

Kanji get easy to memorize as you learn a few and start to see the patterns in them, while kana are literally meaningless scribbles.

I did, and translating a game.

Its hard as fuck to learn any language decently I think. Just type in a random ass word into a thesaurus. Theres like 40 different words that mean "unite", or "destroy" or anything.

Also, I can read VNs decently but still take a long time to write sentences in Japanese, and make all sorts of mistakes while talking. Fuck you passive vocabulary. Its great to be able to understand something like 「柵に囚われる」 but fuck if I can remember it, let alone use it in a sentence.

>>8488074
Its not harder, just takes more time because there's 2000 to learn for you to be able to read well.

If you learn your kanji radicals, shit becomes tons easier too, but in the end, all you really need is lots of time and patience for kanji.

If you only know your kana, you're pretty useless and fucked. Everything these days uses kanji.

Learning hieroglyphs is retarded.

>>8488922
>Everything these days uses kanji.
What the fuck? Are you implying Kanji was used less in the past?

>>8488074
>how much japanese can you understand if you only know katakana and hiragana?
probably only things like pokemon games. Those are almost entirely kanji free.

I was OP in the Japanese language thread we had earlier.

Sagin' this shit.

>>8489377
I dislike this thread, but I'm bumping just to spite you because you're a faggot.

>>8489377
>hurr I hate this thread sage sage sage
>>>/v/
>>>/b/
>>>/getoutofjp/

Can one of you Japanese wizards help me wrap my head around the の. I get that it's for nouns-modifying-nouns, possessive, and nouns-linking-nouns, but how the hell can I be sure of what order they go in, especially in multiple scenarios.

All Genki had to say about the bullshit was that the "idea" goes first, fuck is that supposed to mean? Tae Kim was a bit better seeming to suggest that they go in the order they're modifying each other, but I'm still kind of lost.

For a ridiculous example, how would Saint John's chapel's Institute of Robot's Diamond Boners, the Virginian Branch be done and why?

>>8490178
Substitute "no" with "'s". That's the simple way for the application you're learning right now.

>>8490197

Then what's up with the bullshit like 日本語の先生 or アメリカの大学

Why do proper nouns fuck up the order, this shit is too hard for my english brain

>>8490237

Because if you switched the order:

先生の日本語 means another thing entirely. ([Our] teacher's Japanese)

大学のアメリカ doesn't make any sense.

>>8490237

Japanese teacher (Teacher of japanese)
American college (College of america)

It isn't that hard. The noun before the の possesses the noun after the の.

>>8490178
In case you know Chinese, it's roughly equivalent with 的.

>>8487762

There are Japanese study students who are unable to learn the kana in 1 semester. Your argument is invalid.

>>8490345
No, it just means they're retards, as he said.

>>8490345

No, it isn't, they are still retards.

Is there some quick overview on how I'm supposed to construct a sentence? I understand basic grammar but posts like >>8486765 confuse me a lot because most explanations I can find just deal with short sentences that only have 1 "main meaning".