/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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>>8378595
Read it.

This is so old...

korea a shit

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>>8378606
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>>8378595
What's your problem?

>>8378639

There's a large bunch of butthurt people here. That is why 1/3 of posts on this board are sage posts.

>>8378639
You must be new here. Ill tell you. No one here cares for Korean shit. The language is crude, the culture is shit and they are trying to force their stupid culture on everyone. Reported.

>>8378664

Counter-sage.

>>8378639

The majority of the Japanese and /jp/ don't have a problem with Koreans. The ones who don't like Koreans are often 2chan basement dwellers, half-breeds, and sexually confused weeaboos.

>>8378664

>/jp/
>Japanese
>J

Fuck off guys. Korea is improving very much lately. Even more and more of their mango are readable (Sun-Ken Rock, Tower of God, The Breaker or Shin Angyo Onshi). Japan on the other side is becoming some kind of hazardous stalker-zone and they're also producing too much generic moeshit lately.

>>8378695
>generic moeshit
>>>/a/

>>8378664
Japan's anime became popular and Japanese culture spread through out the world. It was not their intention to do so, it just spread a little on its own charm. In fact attempts were made to remove some of the culture from their media with negative results. Korea saw that their culture was popular and decide to try pushing their own culture like a pimp. Not letting it naturally flow by its own merit, just smothering its tits in your base like a dirty scank. Last I heard, no one likes whores but normalfags with low standards.

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck is this piece of shit? You're the cancer of /jp/, now gtfo you tasteless piece of crap.

I don't really mind Koreans.
The girls are cute.
But fuck, koreaboos are worse than even the worst weeaboos.

>>8378585
You better be glad that /jp/ meido hasn't removed this shit. Take it to some other board like /x/

>>8378717
Stop bumping this thread you retard. Use your sage

>>8378721
I think they're cool. One of them even married his Dakimakura.

>>8378728
shut up shitposter.

Korea is simply an ugly sister of Japan. Anything you find shitty in Japan will be even shittier in Korea, and anything you find good in Korea will be even better in Japan. End of Story.

>>8378664
>The language is crude, the culture is shit and they are trying to force their stupid culture on everyone.
Hi there jap.

>>8378746
You shut up, and stop bumping this shit seriously

>>8378717
>WUTTHEFUCKAMIREADING.png
>You're the cancer of /jp/
What are you doing here exactly?

Back to /a/b/v/, please.

>>8378744
They are different.

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>>8378706

>It was not their intention to do so

Nips have been shoving their culture down everyone's throat for over a century.

Korean pop culture is fresh, new and here to stay.

>>8378767
You're trying way to hard.

>>8378706
>Not letting it naturally flow by its own merit
Where did you get this shitty idea?

>>8378767 Korean pop culture

>>8378776
And you are trying way too hard to sound like retard nationalist jap.
Maybe you are one.

>>8378785
Public statements by the government. I dont read Korean, I value my eye sight, look for them your self.

>>8378800
>can come up with anything, just keep repeating the superior posts.

>>8378809
>ohh and ironically, its the same thing Koreans are doing with their fail culture.

>>8378809
>Public statements by the government.
>I dont read Korean, I value my eye sight, look for them your self.
Are you retarded?

>>8378809
>>8378815
Nobody thinks Korean culture as a fail culture.

That's why you suspiciously sound like jap nationalist.

>北朝鮮といい中国といいキチガイ国家が日本近郊に存在している以上
>米の力が弱くなっている今、国防に突いて真剣に考えるべきである｡
>日本をわが国民を守るのは日本しかないということを知るべきだ。
>唯一の被爆国として、日本は核兵器を持つべきである｡
Did you write this on 2ch /int/?

Why is this shitty thread still here.

Well, did anyone see OP's link?
I thought it was pretty scary...

>>8378844
Because people are bumping it. Give it less attention, and the thread will die.

>>8378838
koreans leave this place

>>8378850
I saw it and I got scared.

>>8378858
It needs more reports. Pretty sure all the bumps are the op, samefagging. They all have the same adolescent writing style.

>>8378862
They should seriously...
oh, and I forgot. Don't forget your sage, /jp/

>>8378862
>>8378864
There are no Koreans in this thread.
Japs/tais, on other hand...

If only Korea produced 1% worth the shit Japan is producing.. until then, get your gook shit out. No one cares.

>>8378868
>They all have the same adolescent writing style.
see
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>>8378762
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>>8378901
I don't follow. Those look like normal /jp/ posts for the most part.

>>8378896
Koreans animate Japanese anime, that's more than %1.

>>8378911
Koreans and other filthy southeast asians do the in-betweens and still-scenes for slave wage, you know, the shitty QUALITY frames some anime are known for. Real artists, which Koreans are not, do the key frames that actually matter.

>>8378915
>Normal
If by normal you meant /a/ level posts then, you are right.

>>8378868
I'm pretty sure most of /jp/ can tell by reading all non-sage posts in this thread which one is OP's and which one is not.

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>>8378927
>non-sage posts
You are new aren't you?

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>>8378927
What posts do you mean anon? Point them out

>>8378929
Not really, they animate the literally quality scenes.
I think you switched things up.

>>8378945
I wonder if he's aware of nokosage.

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>>8378929
I don't know where you got this idea though...

>>8378947
Oh really, show me some sources and scenes then.

If you want a taste of some QUALITY Corean animation in anime, look up Claymore. Madhouse let Koreans take charge of the animation direction and the animation.. and it shows.

>>8378947
See that old Batman commercial, Koreans were WAY ahead of Japanese animators.

>>8378952
I wonder if you're aware nobody gives a fuck, if someone else bumps the thread it looks like you're bumping it too.
And why the fuck would you use it anyway? Autism?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7028

I was wondering why the animation felt so bad, even worse than the usual anime quality. Then I checked the staff. Holy sheet, full of gooks there.

>>8378970
>Corean
Go away, Mexico.

>>8378977
I can't believe anyone on /jp/ is that stupid so I'll just assume you're trolling.

>>8378978
I'm an European you filthy gook.

>>8378970
High budget Anime like Naruto are all mostly animated by Koreans, and I am not talking about fillers but the fighting scenes.

>>8378993
Show me some sources and point me to the these "good" scenes which you believe have been animated by Koreans. Or are you just talking out of your ass?

>>8378987
Cool story chink.
Also, when will you learn that gooks are not Korean?

>>8379005
>gooks are not Korean
Aww look at this slanty-eyed pigmy fuck in denial

>>8379004
Show me your source first, you are the one that pulled things out your ass.

>Naruto
>high budget anime

haha, also, when ever I do see Sakuga reals from shounenshit anime it's always a Japanese key animator credited

>>8379010
Are you trying to defend the Japanese with hipocrisy?

>>8379015
How about checking the staff list for once? How about watching some sakuga or MADs? All the good scenes in anime I've looked up have been done by some Japanese artist

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just making a fool out of you gook

>>8379027
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just making a fool out of you gook

Still waiting source for these
>>8378993
>High budget Anime like Naruto are all mostly animated by Koreans
>>8378947
>Not really, they animate the literally quality scenes.
>I think you switched things up.

But who are we kidding?

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>>8379021
>All the good scenes in anime I've looked up have been done by some Japanese artist.
Really?
I didn't know they actually divided scenes and credited them indiviadualy.

>>8379027
What hypocrisy are u referring to?

>>8379021
>haha
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11700861
Actually, it has movie quality scenes.

>>8379059
slanty-eyed, pigmy...
Are you retarded?

asspains

>>8379052
Because credits usually have staffs listed? And it's easy to see who animated the scene from the style if you have discerning eyes for animation, which fans of animation usually have. It's no rocket science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rJCPFqKRI&list=FLCnWtPjlo6PdOZAwE_u07Jg&index=92&featur
e=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2UzEE6bR8A&feature=related

Because credits usually have staffs listed? And it's easy to see who animated the scene from the style if you have discerning eyes for animation, which fans of animation usually have. It's no rocket science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rJCPFqKRI&list=FLCnWtPjlo6PdOZAwE_u07Jg&index=92&featur
e=plpp_video

Because credits usually have staffs listed? And it's easy to see who animated the scene from the style if you have discerning eyes for animation, which fans of animation usually have. It's no rocket science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rJCPFqKRI&list=FLCnWtPjlo6PdOZAwE_u07Jg&index=92&featur
e=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2UzEE6bR8A&feature=related

>>8379054
Naruto Shippuden 137, 85, etc credits.

Well I am waiting for your source.

>>8379052
Because credits usually have staffs listed? And it's easy to see who animated the scene from the style if you have discerning eyes for animation, which fans of animation usually have especially when they have a hard-on for certain animators. It's no rocket science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rJCPFqKRI&list=FLCnWtPjlo6PdOZAwE_u07Jg&index=92&featur
e=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAREHhV-F8w

show me the scenes, I want to see em

>>8379092
>And it's easy to see who animated the scene from the style if you have discerning eyes for animation, which fans of animation usually have especially when they have a hard-on for certain animators.

You are trully retarded.

>>8379109
says the guy who doesn't even watch anime apart from naruturd, let alone appreciate animation

>>8379109
Yeah it's TOOTAAALLY impossible to recognize the style of certain animators if you're a huge fan of animation and know a lot of it. I mean lol xD!!

BROTIP http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/

>>8379109
he probably have augmented eyes so yeh
i bet he also hear the difference between 320kb mp3 and a loseless

>>8379146
typical bangcock reply, added nothing of value except to his reputation as a stupid fuck with an IQ of 40

>>8379123
Do you really think japs will credit coreans that much?
Obviously they will say that some "important" japanese made the important scenes.
Animation is made of teams not Shinya Ohira.
Also, I don't only watch Naruto.

>>8378993
>Koreans
>etc
>rest of the posts about said topic

Clearly you guys don't understand how animation is done. You start off with a storyboard, Japs like to do it 4-koma style with shots. Then you make keyframes, which are the endpoints and all the important frames for movement. This job is always given to one animate for each scene, and this is where animation credits are given. Then you have the tweeners who just draw the frames that turn keyframe A into keyframe B. Koreans are almost never given positions in storyboarding or keyframe animating, because that is part of the creative process. Koreans are normally only used for tweening grunt work, regardless of whether or not they are fight scenes or talking heads. Storyboarding and key frames are almost always kept in-house in the studio. Koreans can do very good tween work, and turn out crap as well. Arguably you can get better work done since you get more result per dollar spent. But tweening doesn't require skill. It is the shit job of the animation studios. It is the job given to fresh hires with no experience or status, and generally pays little more than menial labor wages.

>>8379157
>gets told
>butthurt

>>8379170
>have a low self-esteem
>wear a name bangcock
>greenpost
>shitpost
>IQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>40

>>8379180
look at how butthurt are you

>>8379162
>tweening doesn't require skill
compare
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to
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11259938

>>8379166
>Do you really think japs will credit coreans that much?
Yeah, they're so jealous of mad Korean animation skills~~
>Obviously they will say that some "important" japanese made the important scenes.
Those "some important" Japanese animators are quite well known in the West too, especially in France. Refer to Wakfu and the Japanese guest animators episode.
>Animation is made of teams not Shinya Ohira.
Everything but key frames are meaningless. Who the fuck cares about frames that consist of characters standing still while their mouths flap. Those aren't the reason people think the animation quality in anime is great, quite the contrary actually.

We actually used that comic in one of my classes last semester.

We had to hook up one of our lab members to the ECG we built, and had them read the comic. His heart rate was 130 bpm before shit hit the fan, and 150 bpm afterward.

Here's his ECG. He got to the first surprise at about 135 seconds, and the second one at 159 seconds.

Storyboard: Preliminary sketches that go scene by scene with animation and timing notes, usually done by the director, chief animator, and whoever is on the brainstorming/storyboarding team. All the editing compilation goes here, things like shots, angles, and content are decided by this group that gets creative credit.

A good storyboard is like the name implies, good storytelling. Unless you are Bakemonogatari.

Oh man, that fucking spooked me and I closed the tab right as that gook fucking spun around and clacked.

>>8379226
>>8378585

Is it coincidence that Kyoani doesn't outsource animation at all and does everything in-house and has one of the best (if not the best) animation quality in the industry? Nope.

Keyframe: This is where all the movement gets decided, and it determines the composition of the final shots. They are not polished, but all the tweens are based or traced off of these. You can usually match these frames up to actual frames in a movie. This job is usually given to an animator, which is different than a tweener. His job it to employ movement in a creative and convincing manner for the scene he is assigned, which is equivalent to one or two frames in a storyboard. This is a credited position because creative decisions must be made. An animator may draw anywhere from 2-15 frames per scene, usually rough sketch only with coloring instructions.

Good keyframes will result in spectacular animation sequences. Bad keyframes will make things boring or unnatural.

>>8379211
>Yeah, they're so jealous of mad Korean animation skills~~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5qoxxQpMY
They must be.
>Those "some important" Japanese animators are quite well known in the West too, especially in France.
But that's dishonesty.
>Who the fuck cares about frames that consist of characters standing still while their mouths flap.
But that's what the japanese do.

You are really naive aren't you?

>>8379166
So the only reason you keep watching anime is because you've fooled yourself into thinking that all anime is mostly made by Koreans? Hahahahahahaha... oh .. wow.

>>8379238
>doesn't outsource animation at all and does everything in-house
I bet you believe that Santa is real too.

Take it to /a/.

>>8379248
No not really.

Tweens: This is the step that is farmed out to Koreans. It is considered menial labor and therefore no credit is given. Even before Koreans did the bulk of tweening, this was the job given to entry level animators. Although it is the most polished of all the steps, and results in the final product, it is expected anyone in the industry can do it, and there is no creative input.

Good tweening will simply result in smooth animation that does not appear awkward.

>>8379256
Before I continue.. you realize that it's strictly ANIMATION I'm talking about here, right?

And lol, Kyoani is indeed known for having no animation outsourcing. And one can even check this from the staff listing at the end of the episode. Here's a quick reference http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7809
But I'm sure you're going to up with something as clever as "dirty nips are just not crediting glorious coreens!"

The fact that you didn't know this just proves that you're clueless as fuck and you're arguing about things you don't know. Also proves that you're behind some gook pride world wide agenda, like most people like you are.

Oh well was a fun and a trippy night, enjoy your Japanese-animated cartoons!

Wow, can't believe this thread is still up and going.

>>8379267
see
>>8379166
Also, your concept of "creative" is subjective.

>>8379258
or more like /x/. Let's see how they would respond

>>8379280
Even some low-grade Japanese animators do tweens you stupid fuck. They're not crediting them either, where's your god now?

>>8379232
That image... That doujinshi... ;_;

>>8379273
>And lol, Kyoani is indeed known for having no animation outsourcing. And one can even check this from the staff listing at the end of the episode. Here's a quick reference http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7809
>>8379247
>No americans crediting koreans
The fact that you don't realize that you are so fucking naive is pretty sad.

>>8379292
>>>/a/

>>8379282
>They're not crediting them either
But they do, especially in OPs.

Also, explain low-grade.
Not as dishonest as Shinya Ohira?

>>8379307
it's like arguing with a brick

>>8379292
Americans list the studio that has worked on the animation.

>>8379317
Only nowadays.

>>8379313
I've the same feeling with you anon. Let's stop giving him attention and go on some other better thread in /jp/

>>8379280
It is industry standard in nearly every country that tweeners are given no creative credits. They generally do not add anything that anyone else in the industry could not do. It is considered a skill based job because either you do it right or you make mistakes. You do not get creative input. Real credit is not given to people who put in sweat, tears and hard labor into a movie. It is given to people who make the creative decisions in a movie. In other words credits are given to people that make a difference, not to people who can be replaced by any generic worker. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hollywood.

>Do you really think japs will credit coreans that much?
No.

>Obviously they will say that some "important" japanese made the important scenes.
Because animation credits only require about 1000-2000 sketches per episode, which is not a major task for an decently staffed studio. Even with 10 animators, 100 sketches a week is not considered a heavy workload, and it doesn't require nearly the manpower of tweening which has to make 20,000+ frames of polished animation.

>Animation is made of teams not Shinya Ohira.
We know that. The important parts are done by a team of Shinya Ohiras.

>Also, I don't only watch Naruto.
But you watch Naruto.

>>8379313
I am talking about the credits that appear in the OP, not the people that made the OP.
They hardly ever use hangul in OPs,They only use korean ones that don't seem to be.
But they do in EDs.
>>8379322
Go to 2ch, it's the place of delusional people.

>>8379350
Why would they use Hangul in animus?

We don't write Japanese names in Japanese when we put credits in American movies. Korean names are either converted into katakana, or more commonly into Chinese, which is then inserted as kanji in animus. Yes, Korea does have a system of using Chinese moonrunes.

>>8379350
I don't think anyone understands what you're trying to get at here

>>8379331
But Koreans do keyframes in Naruto fights.
Sorry if I don't know any other exemple right now.
>You do not get creative input.
As I said, your conception of what is creative is personal.

It's funny because nobody here is actually Japanese.

Haha this thread.

And those of you who are complaining about not saging... two things:

- /jp/ catalog, ordered by creation date
- nokosage

learn it fools

>>8379366
Believe or not
Hangul is used in various Railgun keyframes, Naruto keyframes/credits.
It's kind of illogical.

Sun Ken Rock is from Japan you dumb nigger.

>>8379415
Which is why you DON'T nokosage because it leads to stupid shit like this.

I mean really. Unless you're trying to avoid ``ironic'' bumps by off-boarders or whatever (but want to reply anyway for whatever reason) there's no point to it. Just sage normally. You're messing with the various scrapers and with the board statistics.

>>8379396
>As I said, your conception of what is creative is personal.

No, this is industry standard. Creative credits are not given to tweeners. They might get a credit, but not a creative one. This is pretty much optional to include. If you have a problem with it, take it up with Hollywood.

>But Koreans do keyframes in Naruto fights.
Prove it. Korea outsourcing studios are set up with lots of moderately skilled drawers who can do tweens. The reason is because that is usually the job given to them. There is no reason to do keyframes out of house, and every respectable animation studio proud of its animation does keyframes in house.

>>8379415

See >>8378976

>>8379423
Maybe they're using hanguls out of respect or just because? There's no standard for it for christ sake, stop grasping at straws

>>8379396
>But Koreans do keyframes in Naruto fights.
I don't know about shitpuuden but the majority of original fights that Naruto were known for were done by norio matsumoto. everyone and their grandmas know this

>>8379423
Since when have either of those shows published production keyframes? Keyframes are usually only published as supplementary bonus material for feature films. And most animators who want creative credits aren't going to sit on the staff of a show that runs on for a decade. For serial productions like that, it isn't surprising that even key work is farmed out.

>>8379462

see

>jp catalog ordered by creation date

Or do you still browse page by page, like a retard?

>>8379450
>Prove it.
Zainichi xD

But no, really, in Doraemon there was some "fuckn japs" codes that I saw in some American jap nationalist wannabe callout video.

>>8379502
like u do? No I don't

>Zainichi xD
Proves nothing, except that you're a fag.

>But no, really, in Doraemon there was some "fuckn japs" codes that I saw in some American jap nationalist wannabe callout video.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but because tweeners are producing the final result, they can tamper with it.

>>8379512

Then you should know that bumping threads have absolutely no relevance to anything.

Seeing two shits going on in this thread:
1. Anons arguing about Korean anime production and comparing it to Japanese.
2. Anons complaining about sage and nokosage and ranting about why nobody's using sage in this thread.

All began from some random Korean comic that is getting old by now...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kyyn_norio-matsumoto-sakuga-amv_videogames

>>8379469
>stop grasping at straws
But you are the one who grasping at straws.

>>8379540
Probably anon of >>8379512 thinks saging will kill this thread. This thread will die anyway.

I still browse via pages because I'm Web 1.0 like that.
I'm also scared of depending on other websites and services.

No userscripts.
No catalogs.
No rice.
Final destination.

>>8379568

I've seen autosaging threads last here for days because of the low rate of topic creation.

>>8379538
Preves everything.
>but because tweeners are producing the final result
Seriously now, wasn't keyframes only published as supplementary bonus material for feature films?

>>8379580
>Preves everything.
I'm now fairly convinced that this guy is really retarded.. or just trolling, hopefully

>>8379580
So the existance of Koreans in Japan proves that there are uncredited Korean animators drawing keyframes?

>Seriously now, wasn't keyframes only published as supplementary bonus material for feature films?
So where did you get your keyframe facts that Koreans did keyframes? Keyframes are the production sketches that the tweens are based on. The fact that keyframes are usually only seen in production has nothing to do with tweeners sticking random funny crap into scenes that show up in the final result.

>>8379568
But it does. Saging is the process of replying to a topic without bumping it, in order to add to its post count. When a post reaches a certain post count, it cannot be bumped. By saging a post, you are in effect causing it to be pruned faster, and disallowing it from being bumped further.

This decade, it's the Koreans. In the next decade, 2ch is going to join forces with the Koreans and start ripping on Filipino cartoons/pop culture.

so does nokosage work?
cuz i can't see the mailto link
i will never know if it's working or not.
sucks that other peole cant see

>>8379617

Why would you want to bump this thread anyway, dumbass. Also see >>8379584


>>8379635

comparatively

>>8379625

You can see by nokosage posting a page 9 thread and see if it's bumped.

>>8379584
>low rate of topic creation
>/jp/

>>8379625
Why don't you test it on this thread to see if it works?

>>8379617
you will never reach limit unless 10+ people sage-bomb the thread.

But your logic is correct. If every thread on top page has 1 post per min, 1 new thread per min, the saged one will die faster

>>8379658
Hey, why don't we test this theory on this thread to see if it works?

hey animation dude, your knowledge is quite vast. where'd ya get all that juicy info bits?

>>8379649
Yeah i just tested seems like it works.
But it still sucks that people can't see.
Even with a name
Also, is it true that you get flood detection more often if you sage?

>>8379680

probably a f/a/g

>>8379681

If you want people to see that you're saging a thread, just sage the thread normally. If you're using a 4chan extension you wouldn't need to type noko because it happens automatically.

>>8379681
I think that's a myth. In fact I think it's the other way round (probably only for me)

>>8379614
You are retarded. You don't even know what a typo is.
>>8379615
>So the existance of Koreans in Japan proves that there are uncredited Korean animators drawing keyframes?
As I said, it's illogical.
>So where did you get your keyframe facts that Koreans did keyframes?
So where did you get your Kyoani facts that that they don't outsource animation at all and does everything in-house?

*do everything in-house

>>8379707
I was referring to your earlier statement "Zainichi xD" proves everything according to you, not the typo. Yeah, you're a big fucking retard.

>this thread

Welcome to /jp/. May you be welcomed here.

>>8379719
I was being ironic you dumbfuck.
As japs put every shit they do on the zainichis.

>>8379680
I attend a university with one of the best film schools in the world and have a minor in film and a focus on animation. I would have said I liked things like Bakemonogatari and Madoka rather than your generic animu, but SHAFT is so mainstream nowadays those are your generic animu. I only go to /a/ for Last Exile threads, because it is the only show this season that gets me excited.

>>8379730

>Last Exile
>SHAFT is so mainstream nowadays

You'd know, since you're a hipster film major. Why are you people always like that?

>>8379729
And yet you continued the debate by saying that it proves everything, lol

>>8379707
>So where did you get your Kyoani facts that that they don't outsource animation at all and does everything in-house?
Not me.

>As I said, it's illogical.
You never said that, at least not in a relevant context.

Where's that guy who sagebomb threads with rap lyrics? I remember my 400+ post, /a/ crossposted NEET threads being sagebombed repeatedly every week.

>>8379745
How is this not relevant?
>>8379423

Sorry I will have to sleep now, I studied law all day.

>>8379738
I'm not really a hipster, but if you don't push the limits of creativity, you get stuck working on the 27th season of the Simpsons if you've has a successful albeit uncreative career. SHAFT raised the bar on how much "experimental" animation could be accepted in "mainstream" TV animation that was not stupid shit like Adult Swim. Before then stuff by Gainax was considered edgy, like EVA and TTGL. I still like SHAFT, and SHAFT is probably my favorite studio. I am just recognizing the fact that saying so makes me sound only half a step up from someone saying "I want to go to Japan and make animu because I love watching Inuyasha and Naruto."

Also fuck you. Last Exile is awesome and Range Murata is awesome.

>>8379766

>I studied law all day

Have fun taking your security test exam to work as a guard on $9/hour.

Or have fun graduating law school with no jobs and a $200000 debt.

>>8379766
>Hangul is used in various Railgun keyframes, Naruto keyframes/credits.
>It's kind of illogical.

What does that have to do with

>Zainichi
>So the existance of Koreans in Japan proves that there are uncredited Korean animators drawing keyframes?

>>8379772

>push the limits of creativity

Nigga fucking please. SHAFT is basically what noise music is to music.

Post-modernism is what's killing creativity, not stale shit like the Simpsons.

>>8378823
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Council_on_Nation_Branding,_Korea
>http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E5%AE%B6%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89%E5%A7%94%E5%
93%A1%E4%BC%9A

>>8379788

Noise music might not be to your taste but it doesn't mean it's "uncreative". Instead of being creative with the musical content, you can be creative in terms of texture and the overall soundscape you create. I take it you mean general atonal stuff too, which is ridiculous since blending music with less traditional music elements works really well in Soundtracks like that of Portal 2.

>to right misconceptions about Korea, its culture, its products, and its people; and to raise respect for Korea so as to support Korean businesses and nationals abroad

ahahha oh shit this is too hilarious
only in corea

>>8379788
Specifically in the field of animation? Their stuff is pretty creative. Self-reflexive post-modernism has been the topic of nearly every independent film festival and the core of academic theory and study in film for the past several decades. It isn't like deconstructive stuff is displacing traditional storytelling either, it is just another option. This would be like when Pablo fucking Piccasso was edgy instead of being a household name, and half of modern artists doing abstract art. Staleshit is uncreative. Deconstructive shit has some creativity. And furthermore, the deconstruction of the film medium itself is fascinating in Bakemonogatari through use of editing, as well as the deconstruction of the animation medium in Madoka. It gets old quick though. Penguindrum had some similar abstract effects, but it was not as well executed, and did not feel as fresh.

Now if you get to the point where half of all anime feels like watered down penguindrum, then you've got a problem with deconstructionism. Minus Gonzo and their use of 3D, which is no longer edgy, just their house style, you have some not so deconstructive shit that I enjoy for other reasons. In regards to animation, flying things are still a not well explored, and you can animate characters like Dio with great creative effect.

>>8379811

Atonal music is very much part of the classical tradition, I would barely consider it "atonal." 80% of the professional viola repertoire is Hindemith and other modern English composers.

Also how can you think noise music, or anything made in the "post modern" capacity is creative? I bet you think post-African repetitions are considered "uncreative."

Have fun never being able to enjoy any kind of music that isn't produced by some indie group/artist that you've never heard of.

>>8379788
I'd still prefer something like Venetian Snares over something uninteresting in construction (most other modern music).

Also certain SHAFT shows are made much, much better by the art direction; they take 10 minute sequences of two people just sitting talking and turn it into something that's still visually interesting to watch instead of statues flapping mouths. It definitely adds something that you don't see in most other dialogue-heavy shows.

>>8379623
can't wait for the onion smuggling jokes.

>>8379842
The issue with noise is that is it deconstructive just to be so. I had to look that up actually, I was not even aware of such shit. There is stuff like that in animation as well, but SHAFT employs deconstructionism productively to add to their storytelling. It would be more like mixing this atonal stuff you guys are talking about.

>>8379845

> it is just another option

You may think it's just another option, but the majority of fine arts majors would think that traditional anything is actually inferior.

>>8379423
>Hangul is used in various Railgun keyframes, Naruto keyframes/credits.
And they use English and Chinese too. Doesn't prove anything.

Remember that "No smoking on the footpath" sign in Toaru no Kagaku Railgun, written in Japanese, English, Chinese and Korean? Remember the "East A Wing" sign in Oreimo during the Comiket episode written in Japanese, English, Chinese and Korean? Well, SURPRISE, there are multilingual signs in real-life Japan, and an animootion that wants to reflect a tiny bit of realism has nothing to do with "LOLHANGULSOGOOD".

>>8379842

Noise music isn't necessarily "Post modern", I don't know where you're getting that. Not everyone who makes Noise is trying to be all faux-cynical about it. Post modernism is such a ridiculously difficult thing to define when it comes to anything but straight-up philosophy anyway.

I know artists who do this kind of music locally and I can see they do put a lot into it. When you see them perform live you can understand what they're trying to do a bit more(though not an ideal venue for it).

>>8379861
Yes, but I'm talking about animation specifically. Animation and film are my focus, and the status quo is Hollywood. I understand your problem where [insert art movement here] art is no longer interesting once [insert art movement here] art is the only acceptable art. Film and fine arts are very separate industries and schools. So stuff like this is still edgy. In animation "traditional" is still very viable. Just look how many people wait to see what Hayao Miyazaki will come up with next, and how his recent experimental work Ponyo was lambasted.

And SHAFT isn't just being deconstructive to be deconstructive. They employ it to add new sensations to contribute to their style of storytelling.

>DECONSTRUCTIONISM

on my 4chan board? It may be more common than you think, newfriends.

>>8379883

There is too much noise music shit on youtube as is. Also I remember seeing one video of a Japanese group performing it live in a park and you can clearly see how the bystanders are annoyed by it.

>>8379895

Some noise music is just shit.

Again noise music is about building up a texture, so that's the quality you judge it on. A lot of Merzbow shit is pretty good at that so he's pretty highly regarded(at least some of his stuff is, he puts out a vast amount of recordings).

You can make shit noise music. Just purposely being as noisy and obnoxious as possible with electric guitar and some synths for example is not good music, or good noise.

There's a time and a place for it too.

>>8379888

Please be upset or something, this isn't how you're supposed to argue on the internet.

>>8379906

I genuinely believe that noise music artists do it for the sake of being noisy, to elicit some kind of a response from regular people.

Maybe I'm too lowbrow to actually "enjoy" shit like that.

>>8379913

Well, how do you feel about tracks like this?

http://soundcloud.com/takeshiandthekid/alex-jones-the-last-man-alive

>>8379936

That's as noise as Autechre. Real noise is like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2OvB33Pwdo&feature=fvst

So isn't the point that noise and deconstructionism can be used tastefully and not tastefully?

>>8379990

That would defeat the purpose of noise music. Noise music sensibilities used in a "tasteful" manner defeats the purpose of noise music.