/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I wish little sisters were really like that.

>>8364036
They can be, when they are still young.
(If they were raised properly.)

>>8364053
No they are not. It is due to natural sibling rivalry that they will be bitches since they are born.

I just recently learned kana, and today I started with genki.
It feels nostalgic, somehow.

By the way, how's the Rosetta Stone voice recognition gimmick for learning correct pronunciation?

>>8364067
My sister was like that when she was younger.

Then she hit middle school and she became a huge cunt.

>>8364024
No, I'm learning other languages.

>>8364067
You probably were about the same age, right?
Or you were not lucky enough to have a good sister.

>>8364113

Your sister was probably a bitch to you because I'm assuming you're a weirdo of some sort (considering where you are now) even if you don't acknowledge this. Well... just a possibility.

>>8364121
It's hard not to acknowledge you are one while visiting and posting at /jp/

>>8364067
>sibling rivalry
If I'm not wrong you share 50% if your unique gene pool with them, it's natural to be kind to each other.

>>8364121
What?

>>8364143
Genes have nothing to do with that.

I've done 40 so far today, and I've been going at it for like a week. I wonder how long I'll last this time.

>>8364148
Don't burn yourself out, anon. And remember to repeat instead of just piling up more and more each day!

>>8364156

Have you finished it?

Started RtK a few days ago, reached frame 104 today. My brain hungers for more, but I don't wanna exhaust it too much so I'll just wait for tomorrow.

>>8364279

Whatever you do... don't stop. A lot of people give up and kick themselves later. Anyways did 45 total since I woke up around 5am... kind of tired now, but I guess this means I still have a lot of time to do more "today".

I'd like to do 60 a day. This time I'm going to finish the book no matter what.

>>8364164
Finished? What, kanji? I still don't believe a that is possible.
My database says I'm at 2235 at the moment, though, which is at least enough to not stumble over too many unknown ones a day.

I could never remember things by just looking at lists of them. I'm learning my kanji by translating Japanese text. Once a kanji has come up enough times, I'll start remembering it.

You can't get a cold like that, why are imoutos so stupid?

4 decks

1. To be repeated: 22 - New 20
2. To be repeated: 99 - New today 23
3. To be repeated 31 - New today 20
4. To be repeated - 46 - New today 30

.....FUCK

6 hours left.

What's the best way of learning onyomis? I already know about 1000 kanji and their english meaning.

>>8364024
->My Core2k Beginner deck, post RTK.

Getting reviews down is one thing, learning new cards is another...
Didn't learn a damn thing because of university

>>8364567
By learning vocabulary, the readings come naturally.

>>8364024
->My Core2k Beginner deck, post RTK.

Getting reviews down is one thing, learning new cards is another...
Didn't learn a damn thing because of university

>>8364535
In japan, you can catch a cold by sleeping under a blanket covered table with a heater

How exactly do you learn Kanji? Everyone seems to suggest to just learn Kanji and all of their readings but that seems overcomplicated and useless. Should I just learn new vocabulary and the Kanji in them instead?

>>8364599
I can only speak for myself, but I did RTK1 to familiarize myself with kanji (stroke order and being able to tell apart similar characters) then I started reading stuff. I never studied kanji readings in isolation.

>>8364585
I do most of my Core 6k reps at work when there's dead time, toilet or similar place when the time would be wasted otherwise. Most of the time I have the day's reps done before I get home. This requires a smartphone or similar device though, I use AnkiDroid.

Dumb question, Just curious how do you guys study the core deck, that comes with sentences? Core 2000, whatever. Since I'm a beginner and don't know that much grammar it seems like a bad idea to dive into that without really grasping the grammar and having many kanji which I dont understand. After trying it a few times, I'm not sure if I should continue with it, or just lower the number of sentences I should have for each day and try to just memorize those few.

>>8364599
It might seem overcomplicated and useless to you, but I can tell you one thing: it works.
Of course, there are corners to be cut, but it's still the most logic way.

I recommend kanjidamage.com, which teaches them by radical and only lists the most important readings.
Once you finished that and have been reading a bit on the side you should be well on your way to know what to do from there yourself.

>>8364599
Kanjidamage + Anki
Add and review every day, don't skip any.

Finally finished RTK 1 last night. It's like I did absolutely nothing for the past 3 months other than waste an hour learning and reviewing each day. Should I should continue with Heisig's retarded method or throw away all my effort and start fresh with KD again?

>>8364777
I guess, now that you've already wasted three months on it, you might as well try to continue a little bit and see if it does get better.
Let me just say, though, you could already know around 300-600 kanji with their meanings and readings if you went KD, depending on your pace. If you're better than me, which is probably not hard, even more.

>>8364777
I can't give you a definite answer, I never used RTK cause I wanted to leanr meanings right away. Another friend of mine did RTK and also ditched it after first book and decided to just go for just pure old school grinding.

I currently use Kanjidaamage and, well I'm quite happy about it but. I also feel I learn a lot of kanjis I won't need for a long time in the process. Like...chant, animal fat, crystal, etc.

But learning by radical process seems to help, at least when I'm not overwhelmed with repetitions. I considered just learning every new kanji as they appear in genki but hmm..I can't really decide what to do atm.

What I know is, I have to learn the kanji in genki as well, so I try to add one or two kanji from there as well as kanjidamage.

Learning kanji is the new chubby.jpg

>>8364667
Haha I'm actually doing the very same thing.
I've got AnkiDroid+Aedict loaded on a 100€ Touchpad, works wonders when commuting by train. I'm only doing reviews though, since I prefer ink and paper to learn and practise.

>>8364834
>I also feel I learn a lot of kanjis I won't need for a long time in the process. Like...chant, animal fat, crystal, etc.
That can't be helped. And it's better than the vocabulary lists that include "National Diet" or "democratic country" which you're never going to encounter while playing eroge.

Chant kanji is actually fairly common for fantasy manga/VNs, crystal kanji is often used in names (virtually all names that begin with "Aki-" or "Katsu-", also Shouma from penguindrum) so it's good to have it memorized beforehand.

But yeah, feel free to skip over kanji that seem too useless.

>>8364841
>>8364667
thanks dudes, you gave me something to do with my firesaled touchpad that I slapped android on and forgot about.

I have a three stupid questions:
Do words in Kanji have the same meaning as in Chinese?
Can most Japanese-speakers naturally read some Chinese?
Why do the Japanese use Kanji to spell their names?

Thank you.

>>8364477
I had actually stopped at around frame 400 couple years back. But that was when I was still in college. Now that I am a true NEET, I can dedicate my time fully to kanji.

Feels good, man.

I tried kanjidamage, but I could not get over his stories. Too lewd and vulgar! So I'm using RTK and I've been happy enough with it. I haven't decided yet if I'll do RTK 3 first or start learning vocab first, I still have ~400 kanji left in RTK 1.

>>8365004
I love that artist.

He doesn't just make me want my penis inside the characters he draws, but feel romantically for them them again too.

>>8365004
Japs started using Kanji to spell their names because:
A) Chinese used to do it, since they had no alphabet, and Japs just copied the practice
B) They were like those idiotic 13 year olds who think "username" is too plain so they wrote it XxX-UsErNaMe-XxX and they never really grew out of it.
Most likely both.

>>8365004
>Do words in Kanji have the same meaning as in Chinese?
no, not always.
>Can most Japanese-speakers naturally read some Chinese?
probably not in any meaningful sense
>Why do the Japanese use Kanji to spell their names?
because it's a good way to call your child whatever you want and have it seem deep and meaningful

To the first two: A lot of Kanji mean the same thing in Chinese, but the words they make aren't always the same thing. I'm not Japanese but I have a Chinese friend that sometimes shows me stuff in Chinese. Sometimes I can guess at the meaning but sometimes it's completely off. Just the same, they can't always help me understand Japanese kanji words that I don't know.

One problem is that sometimes kanji are added to Japanese words just because they sound the same rather than because they're meant to have the same meaning.

A Chinese person can probably read heavily Kanji'd Japanese better than a Japanese read Chinese I'd assume.

>>8365004

>>8364935
If you start leaving out kanji because they seem useless to you, there will be no end to it, though.
For example, 唱, 脂 and 晶 are all kanji wich I at least see now and then.
Also, kanjidamage is already reduced to about 1700 kanji, includes a few jinmeiyou and unlisted kanji, so you end up with about 600 jouyou left after you're done with it, anyway.
The guy who did it already left out kanji he thought were not very useful, so there is no sense in someone who is learning to leave out even more, especially if he doesn't know what is useful and what not.
Well, in the end you will learn all of the important ones anyway, probably more.

Ever since I started studying kanji, I've lost the desire to fap. What's wrong with me, /jp/?

>>8365369
>Well, in the end you will learn all of the important ones anyway, probably more.
That's sort of what I was getting at. If having to review seemingly-useless kanji kills his motivation, it's probably better for him to skip them now.
Once he learns around 1000 he can start reading with a dictionary (or... kanjidamage) by his side and pick up the other third he skipped.
It's probably not the most effective method but, well, it's better than giving up at 300 out of lack of interest like I did a long time ago.

>>8365426
Well, maybe.
On the other hand, in the end he will know all the "important" kanji that he sees all the time, and is left only with the unimportant ones to learn, setting motivation to barely above zero from that point on.
If you just bite through it from start to finish, you get small satisfaction by learning useful ones now and then and the unimportant ones just go along on the side, barely noticable, so to say.

Well, that's how I feel about it, at least. Having a mountain of useless kanji left to learn really isn't good for motivation, that's the part where I'm at with the kanji that weren't listed on KD now.

>>8365369
Its just that, if I feel like Idon't use them now. I won't remember the time that I need it, and will have to look it up either way. Sure ill still have it in my SRS, but I'm bound to forget many of those who I won't see that often when I study outside the SRS. I might understanding meaning but readings will likely be forgotten if not used frequently.

I might as well just learn something like xx years(sai), which has what seems like a very fucked up kanji to me compared to learning something like crystal. But ill probably use sai much more.

So what Anki decks do people here use? Right now I'm using:
- All Kanji for JLPT 4
- All Kanji for JLPT 3
- JLPT Level 4 vocab
- Tae Kim's Japanese Grammar
- JLPT Vocab for all levels (have it set to JLPT 3 level for now)
- 8555 Japanese sentences (beginner and intermediate sentences for now)

I've gone through all of the new cards on the first four decks, and now it's just repeating once in a while. Any other good ones out there?

>>8365603

You should probably slow down.

Don't forget to do your kanji reps today, Anon-kun!

Learning kanji through flashcards seems unappealing since I learned english pretty much just reading and checking a dictionary when there was a word I didn't recognize. Wouldn't the same approach work here

Bumpan.

>>8365603
I have the following decks:
- RTK 1 + Supplement, ~2200 in total
- Core 6000
- KO2001
- Deck with stuff I have come across reading native material
- The 8555 sentence Dictionary of Japanese Grammar deck, unsuspending sentences when I go over the grammar point.

>>8368959
What if I'm a chinese, do I still need to do it?

>>8368959
Don't tell me what to do! You're not my dad!
I'll do it tomorrow.

>>8368970
I'm sure it would.

However, I tried it and gave up because it wasn't working very effectively for me. Then I did RTK1 (didn't learn any readings) and learning vocabulary has been a breeze since then.

>>8368970
>Wouldn't the same approach work here

It would. The point of flashcards is to speed the process up.

Stupid way to learn, i did it for a long time, it's not totally useless but learning kanji by itself is harder than with words. Learning as you read is by far the best way. Starting to get sick of telling you fuckers that though. Jesus, get it through your skulls.

>>8369046
Nope. Enjoy forgetting infrequent kanji.

I'm not learning your kan-jees, so I'll just stick to my lovely hanzi reps. Thanks for reminding me though!

>>8369158
But anon, why would I care about forgetting kanji I rarely encounter?

>>8369181
Because you are not immersed enough to be encountering enough kanji.

Why does everyone recommend Anki? It didn't work at all for me, the repetition intervals increased way to fast and are hard do predict, I also find the software is overly bloated and has too little real functionality. For learning Kanji, I highly recommend kanji.koohi.com. Since it's a website it saves you the trouble of synchronization. The interface is simple, the repetition intervals are fixed and well chosen. And most importantly, it has been specifically designed for the RTK book.

I registered like 5 months ago and my Kanji count currently is about 1700, 1200 of which I was able to recall after 30 days. I'm happy with the results. However, you'll be unable to learn like 50 new Kanji a day continuously, because cards in the repetition box will accumulate too fast. I average at 12 new cards a day and find this already pretty intensive, but it surely depends on your motivation and available time, too.

>>8369046
Then stop saying it all the time.
You obviously never tried the other way long enough to form a real opinion on it and it's got a lot of advantages to your method.
Just be happy to feel superior to everyone and fuck off.

For anyone wondering if RTK+SRS (at RvTK) works.
I had to stop reviewing 10 months ago at 1500~.
Now I have a 800 pile for review, which I'm slowly chipping at. Recollection rate is at... 65%~70%.
After almost a year with no kanji interaction at all (nothing, 0 japanese content), I feel that rate is pretty good, considering my memory is barely average.
I warmly recommend it.

>>8369244

The SRS algorithm is relatively consistant across all major implementations of it; if anything kanji.koohi.com is an online-only version of Anki with significantly less functionality. Nearly anything about Anki is customizable including the waiting thresholds, which is something that site only wishes it could say.

>>8369319

You don't know if RTK "works" until you start learning sentences. Fortunately for us others can confirm it.

>>8369244

The SRS algorithm is relatively consistant across all major implementations of it; if anything kanji.koohi.com is an online-only version of Anki with significantly less functionality. Nearly everything about Anki is customizable including the waiting thresholds all while not suffering from the faults of being an online-only service, which is something that site only wishes it could say. It's simply an imitation to the real "muscle", and it's not bad, but respect needs to be given where it's due.

>>8369319

You don't know if RTK "works" until you start learning sentences. Fortunately for us others can/have confirm(ed) it.

>>8369244
I'm also using koohii for RTK review, but you're gonna need Anki at some point in the future when you will be doing sentence reps for vocabulary.

>>8369373
Well, to be fair, there's just as money people saying it works as there are people who tried it and didn't get anything out of it.
I don't really care either way, since I'm happy with the way I chose, I just wish heisig fanboys would stop rubbing it in everyone's face whenever possible.

>>8369358
Yes, I've been using the kanji knowledge I got from RTK with actual sentences. That obviously works.
I was talking specifically about recollection rate. I'm sure a lot of people are wondering... "after I finish RTK, will I be able to retain the kanjis without reviewing the same silly stories every day for the rest of my life?". The answer seems to be yes. If I could keep a 70% after a year without reading any japanese, anyone actually seeing kanji "in the wild" on a regular basis will have a much better rate.

I can't even remember majority of the stories anymore, yet I can recognize and write the kanji without effort. I still do RTK reps because it takes roughly 5 minutes each day.

>>8369394
The stories are supposed to be forgotten in time, leaving you with the keyword and the kanji only. After which you move onto japanese keywords, meanings, readings, etc. Don't stick to the stories after the kanji embeds in your brain completely, they will only set you back.

>>8369393

I've never seen a person who has finished it and studied sentences and said they didn't get anything out of it. Why? It's impossible. Anyone who hasn't done so can't voice on an opinion on it.

>>8369415
See? Exactly what I mean. Like some sort of religious fanatic.

>>8369424

See what? It's like saying you won't get anything out of working out for a month; it is impossible, and has nothing to do with religion or being a zealot. On the other hand if you want to compare results then you're free to find me someone who has reached fluency in 18 months by studying with traditional methods.

Unless you can answer that with a respectable source then it is certain that RTK + sentences > all other methods of learning Japanese.

>>8369437
I think the point he's trying to make is that some people are just too dumb to efficiently make use of their imagination and are more suited to rote memorization.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Holy fuck why are you people even arguing with the retard.
"Waaah waaah my way is the best, and you can't prove me wrong unless you use it too"
I mean, really, that's serious mental problems right there.

>>8369453
>>8369437
What I was trying to say politely is that unflexible idiots who rant on about how their method is the only worthwhile one are annoying fucktards.
There, happy?

>>8369494
Nobody said RtK was the best method until you started bitching about it.

Take your butthurt elsewhere.

>>8369501
Take your "butthurt" to >>>/a/
And maybe learn reading comprehension before coming back.

>>8369393
You're this retard from the previous thread?

>>8369373
>Nearly everything about Anki is customizable including the waiting thresholds

About that...

It took me several hours of reading the documentation, searching the web and being generally buttmad to finally find a proper mix of extensions and configuration settings that lets me set the intervals to anything less than 12 hours. Because maybe I have more free time than ten minutes a day and don't want to wait a year to see any results at all.

So yes, it is customizable, but good luck finding how if you're just starting with the goddamn program. No wonder people get discouraged.

>>8369525

>It took me several hours of reading the documentation, searching the web and being generally buttmad to finally find a proper mix of extensions and configuration settings that lets me set the intervals to anything less than 12 hours. Because maybe I have more free time than ten minutes a day and don't want to wait a year to see any results at all.

That just makes you extremely stupid unfortunately, as I just tested it and did it in under 2 minutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

>>8369494

Conversely, and by that logic, you're equally inflexible, and none of this is relevant to the fact that they have credible proof.

>>8369525
>Because maybe I have more free time than ten minutes a day and don't want to wait a year to see any results at all.
That's what the "learn more" button is for.
Also when I find I have more free time I add a new deck.

If you end up spending like 6 hours a day reviewing japanese flashcards, calm down and go play some 2hu.

>>8369511
Why are you still here? Get out.

Anki may be more powerful, but as someone who has spent a lot of time already at koohii and found no noticeable fault in it, it doesn't make sense to screw with the SRS and start over. Unless there's a way to export your progress from koohii to anki and set it up so the srs is similar.

>>8369548
No, "learn more" button is for learning new stuff. Its next appearance still gets queued to at least 12 hours later. There's also the "review early" button, but it just repeats the whole set, not the few cards I want to see again quickly because I made mistakes on them. And you can pick the cards to cram by hand, but doing it every fucking time is extremely time-wasting and frustrating.

>>8369598

There is, but there's no reason to start over and that applies to any scenario even between, say, SuperMemo and Surusu. The other anon was just of the erroneous opinion that Anki wasn't considerably more feature heavily than koohi.

>>8369604

See: >>8369544

>>8369373
Well... there are times when simpler software is just better. There's no sense in fine-tuning everything and trying to predict the ideal repetition time for each word separately in such an accurate manner Anki aims for. I found Anki actually less flexible, because it wouldn't forgive you if you didn't keep up the pace and it's overly bloated. Cards advance even if you didn't remember them, and eventually Anki tells you its a leech and you'll never learn it! It's the worst system I've ever encountered, even though it isn't supposed to be all that different from my favorite one.

A straightforward "non-intelligent" implementation of the SRS system on the other hand covers studying too, you can just press "forgotten" until you feel like letting the card advance. It's super simple, super efficient and puts you in the drivers seat, because you can clearly predict where your card is going to end up. No algorithm will ever be better at estimating the ideal repetition time as yourself. And a fixed intervals provide you a simple, yet efficient framework to put cards in their place fast.

If Anki works for you guys, that's great. For me it doesn't (and I'm OK with this, because there is software that suits me).

>>8369544
>I just tested it and did it in under 2 minutes.

Just to verify your claim, what did you do?

>>8369615

>Well... there are times when simpler software is just better

Anki is equally as simple has all other popular SRS implementations; so simple my little sister could use it.

>There's no sense in fine-tuning everything and trying to predict the ideal repetition time for each word separately in such an accurate manner Anki aims for.

That's right, which is why Anki does it automatically.

>I found Anki actually less flexible, because it wouldn't forgive you if you didn't keep up the pace and it's overly bloated

Empty statements. Anki isn't bloated, and no SRS implementation "forgives" you for skipping reviews.

>Cards advance even if you didn't remember them

False.

>eventually Anki tells you its a leech and you'll never learn it!

Leech threshold is modifiable.

In conclusion none of your claims are remotely valid. "Intentionally" fallacious at best. I suspect this is a knee-jerk reaction because you can't handle being too stupid to use Anki.

Once again please refer to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

Particularly the following line:
>The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes.

>>8369636
Not the anon you were arguing with, but fuck your Drunken Krueger effect, Anki is overly complicated and hard to set up and use. After the learning curve it may be better, but that curve exists and is steep. The interface is a clusterfuck and nothing is straightforward. This is coming from someone that does slightly complicated stuff like compiling his own kernels.
Anki is good software but it's bloated and hard to use. That is a fact. It's completely understandeable that someone would not want to waste his time learning how to use it when there are simpler approaches everywhere.

>>8369636
You're pretty pretentious. Maybe I am too dumb for Anki, fine. Then again, great software is simple to use and doesn't require the user for having any understanding at all of the inner workings.

>That's right, which is why Anki does it automatically.
Well, Anki didn't meet my expectations and thus made studying for me harder is it would have had to be.

>>Cards advance even if you didn't remember them
>False.
It looked like it. Maybe I've drawn the wrong conclusion, which just proves that Anki is overly complex.

>Anki isn't bloated, and no SRS implementation "forgives" you for skipping reviews.
Yes it is. Just look at the startup time. Look at it's download size. It carries a complete installation of mplayer with it and yet depends on plugins to get things going. Forgiveness means that the intervals aren't screwed because you skipped a few days. Anki does just that.

>Leech threshold is modifiable.
There's not need for such a threshold, that's the point.


Quit being so buttmad. I don't agree with you, deal with it.

>>8369670
>>8369689

You're not fooling anyway; it's clearly you. There's no reason to be a sore loser anon.

>buttmad

We don't talk like that, as children aren't allow here. Stop skipping school or take it to: >>>/a/

>>8369620
>>8369636
Hey, Dunning-Kruger guy, I'm still waiting.

Or did you already find out (like I did before you) that your simple and obvious "solution" doesn't actually work and now you're struggling to find the real one to save face?

>>8369548
>6 hours a day

Around 1.5 in total throughout the whole day, actually. Anyone can find that much time with minimal dedication. Especially once you start to see that it, you know, works.

>2hu

get_out_of_jp.jpg

>>8369670
>>8369689

You're not fooling anyone; it's clearly you. There's no reason to be a sore loser anon.

>buttmad

We don't talk like that, as children aren't allowed here. Stop skipping school or take it to: >>>/a/

>>8369702
>We don't talk like that

That right anon. We accuse people of being fucking fools who are just way to dumb to see the beauty in glorious Anki.

Stop liking what I don't like guys, or I'll tell my mom.

I was observing, but I'll say to the person who has issues using Anki that he shouldn't be learning Japanese yet alone using a computer.

>>8369752
There are two.

Hey guys. Dont waste time doing any more than 1000 of the simplest kanji. After that, go straight to vocab w/ sentences or something. Kanji cards with more than 3 months are a waste since in 3 months you should have plenty of vocab utilizing those previous kanji and more. RTK are good training wheels, but no need to learn kanji you will barely see in native material. Besides, vocab is more useful and fun

>>8369791
I have no idea what kind of children books you refer to as "native material", but most people on /jp/ will probably want to read VNs and are not going to come very far with 1000 kanji.

>>8369752
You're welcome to answer the question the Dunning-Krueger guy apparently can't. How to force Anki to set intervals smaller than 12 hours?

Hard mode: without downgrading.

>>8369822

I'm not him, so why would I care? He must have got you good if you're frustrated to the point to impose this on whoever you can. Personally in my Anki usage it takes care of everything automatically, so I suspect you of autism for caring.

>>8369812
I don't think you understand. You don't need to study how to write the kanji in 微妙 before learning how to read the word 微妙.

>>8369812
In average, nukiges use less than 1000 different kanjis.

>>8369791

Fundamentally your concept is okay, but it's probably better to at least finish the Joyo kanji, but to do it fast. Three months is actually a relatively slow pace for finishing RTK1.

>>8369833
You cared enough to speak up, surely you'd want to back up your words?

>>8369859
Maybe, I personally was quite happy I already knew 微 when learning 微妙, aswell as 微笑 and 微動, though, and still think it's the more useful way overall, whenever I hit new words in texts.

>>8369934
AJATT Silverspoon derail? I know you want to see the world burn Anonymous.

>>8369955

That's not Silverspoon. It's the main banner.

>>8369958
Shut up, Silverspoon sucks, it's baby first scam of the worst kind.

>>8369985

You're trying too hard, anon.

I haven't done an RTK lesson for ~2 nights and did my Kanji review at 2am because I get easily distracted by VNs.

It's 17:22 now and I'm going to do my reps just because this thread reminded me.

I really need to stop slipping.

>>8369985
It costs a shitload and obviously you're effectively paying for classes which is what the whole AJATT thing seems to be against. It works in principal and could just aswell be done alone rather than forking out so much money to some gaijin in Japan.
Not just replying to you but the other anti's too but whatever, I have to get my reps done bye.

>>8369934
The cancer of every "how i lern japones lol" thread. alljapaneseallthetime is new age feel-good bullshit to learning a language as scientology is to religion. Sure, some general advice from there is sensible (immerse yourself!) but then there's shit like DON'T LEARN GRAMMAR FROM A TEXTBOOK, IN FACT DONT USE A TEXTBOOK JUST MINE SENTENCES WITH UR SRS XDDDD, and horf dorf dont take jlpt, not even to gauge your competency in japanese its just bad lol xD

Yeah, you might feel like I'm going to be a true Japanese in no time with alljapaneseallthetime.com! The truth is, you're going to realize that you know jack shit when you're asked to an interview in Japanese.

Fuck I hate that site so much

It's almost as bad as people who claim to memorize 100+ kanji with heisig every day. For fuck's sake, don't ever use heisig, biggest waste of my time. Shit's so stupid, he teaches you individual kanji like THIS IS CONCAVE 凹 IT LOOKS LIKE A DITCH THATS HOW U REMEMBER IT XD AND THEN OH HERE'S PIG IRON 銑 (im flipping through it right now what the fuck am i reading) Oh and compounds? Let's take a look at the second book

OH LOOK HES PULLING COMPOUNDS OUT OF HIS DICKHOLE HERPDERP SURE IS STRUCTURED LEARNING AROUND HERE

FUCK

IM SO PISSED

>>8370064

>>8370064
>wah wah i couldnt be bothered to learn like this so im going to go all out buttmad on /jp/

>>8370064
While I do support the general statements in your post, I think you might earn more credibility by not throwing a little sissy fit.

>>8370064
Take it easy dude.
While I totally agree that skipping on grammar books or jlpt is just bad advice, hating on heisig just because it relies on silly stuff it's just plain immature. If you're going to be learning on your own, why would you care if your learning method looks stupid if you make good progress. You're just as retarded as ajatt/heisig people totally dismissing traditional learning methods just because they're traditional.

>>8370101

Ironically you lose credibility by responding seriously to him. Funny.

Let's say you're reading a textbook, and find a kanji you don't recognize. How do you look it up? Is there some sort of dictionary software that can identify MS drawings?

>>8370108
I have no idea what you're even trying to say.
You probably don't either, though, good one.

>>8370104
They're traditional for a reason.
If smearing kanji with my own shit on the floor would work, that would be the traditional learning method.

>>8370114
you mean an IME pad? That comes with windows.

>>8370126

Traditional =! Practical

>>8370114
http://kanji.sljfaq.org/

>>8370114
By radical. I'm sure there's software that can find it for you when you write/draw it, but I've never bothered with that.

Radical is pretty easy. Lets say you're looking for 盗. You recognize 次, so you search by that.

>>8370134
puuuuuurfect. thanks

>>8370114
>How do you look it up?

Well, what I do is try to write the character on my iPhone and look it up that way. That works maybe 75% of the time, but occasionally the Chinese handwriting mode won't recognize the damn thing (either because the Japanese write it differently, or because I keep messing it up).

In that case I could theoretically look it up by SKIP code, but if I have access to a computer instead I use a website that lets me click on little pictures to narrow down what the kanji is, then pick it from a list and paste it into a dictionary.

>>8370114
I use this:

http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/

Works pretty well.

>>8370114
SKIP code and jisho.org/kanji/

>>8370132
They are traditional because they're practical.

>>8370134
Alternatively use IMEPad, start typing japanese, press space, click the tiny arrow in the corner, then select the F5 option.

>>8370163

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

False. That's a fallacy.

I propose that the next thread be titled "Bitching about learning methods general". Because that's all these ever are.

>>8371767

Meta-bitching doesn't help.

>dat feel when there are 1500 kanji waiting to be reviewed and you just cannot take it anymore

>>8372719
Who are you quoting?

>>8372723
Dude it's GREEN toad. So of course his posts are going to be green.

>>8372733
I don't think that's a toad.

>>8372723
>quoting

>have a sister who's a year younger than me
>mfw she brings her boyfriends home and they try to be friends with me to score points with her and I stutter all my words and am borderline tears

>>8372774

>>>/a/

>>8372774
Unless you are stuttering in Japanese, no one cares.

Up.

>>8372774

Bobbed hammer, beavertail-style grip safety, but no lowered and flared ejection port.

I noticed this immediately. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME

>>8373550
>>>/k/?

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