/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>“In the otome community your expected to buy the game to play it while in the harem community, people care less about how you got it and more about what you think of it.”
“In summary, it’s hard to get more girls interested due to this overarching sexism present in the anime community. (See interview for details)”

"4. Why do you think that visual novels targeted as girls are seeing so little progress in the fan translation scene compared to visual novels targeted as boys? What do you think we can do to get more girls interested?
Hoo boy! Talking about that got me a bit burned. xD The only thing I can say to that is the sexism in the system. Games and VNs that are targeted for men get more response as major game companies ignore the female population or they think that women will want to buy the games anyways. "

The more rules women get,

The much closer doomsday comes.

they need to release more boys love games. i don't want to play a girl.

I read that as
>Girls think Otagei is sexist.
And got pissed as hell, even though that wouldn't make any sense.

I reread it and now I don't care.

Holy shit, is this womens rights day on /jp/?
just leave us alone with this shit. we don't want to talk about bitches bitching. we just want to take it fucking easy.

"Foreword Maverynthia is the hacker and script extractor for Danzai no Maria, a game that is being fan translated at an obscure and remote little area of the internet, http://forum.my-neoromance.com/.. My-neoromance forums seems to be devoted to the discussion of all things Otome game and BL. In Maverynthia’s reply, she argued in great detail why otome games aren’t getting the number of fan projects the boys’ eroge are."

>>8355205
you know, you can use greentext for that, it's made for quoting after all.

Seriously, why are the fucking fujoshis such whiners?
They already have 2/3 of comiket to themselves and they still want to bitch about how Touhou need to get the fuck out of comiket and stay in reitaisai.
Fucking self entitled bitches.

>>8355228
"In summary, it’s hard to get more girls interested due to this overarching sexism present in the anime community. The few people that appreciate otome games are outweighed by the people that will play anything and don’t care if Haruka Naru ever gets an English release. Also, there is a greater number of men who even know how to create a script dumper for a certain game versus the number of women who might know how to code a scripter. The fact is that the number of men that want to dump an otome game script is very low, as they could be working on that new hentai game that just came out or something. "

they need to stop translating shitty porn games and do stuff like danzai

>>8355169
It's always interesting to see what's going on on the other side of the VN fence. It must suck, since if you're looking for translated otome games you're really screwed twice in terms of selection.

>>8355228
No, today is hate on women day.

Just kidding, that's every day.

>>8355250
Men aren't interested in games for girls. News at eleven.
Oh god, if you want something translated that hard, just make an effort to learn Japanese and how to hack stuff like that instead of complaining that men don't give a shit about things like that.

"Though it’s fine if you want to dismiss me based on what I said about Hatahane, I call it like I see it. If it didn’t want to appear as a harem game, it would have an equal number of gendered characters."


hatahane is now harem ero-ge

>>8355275
wait, you can only not be harem if you have an equal number of gendered characters?

well fuck, I guess Umineko is a harem vn

What about the Princess Maker games? Almost hard to find frillier and or girlier games, but as far as I am aware they have notable male followings despite being entirely safe for work, and, pink.

>>8355278
i dont play porn games so idk

"The number of men that are translators that will translate an otome game is probably less than that. However the number of women that work on harem games is far higher than that. It’s the old if it’s for a male audience it’s “normal” if it’s for a female audience it’s “other” and/or also seen as “gay”. Even in the anime community, for some reason, the male populace wants to still be seen as manly."

>>8355245
>they still want to bitch about how Touhou need to get the fuck out of comiket
No one said that unless you're from shitkaku.

>>8355309
>anime community, for some reason, the male populace wants to still be seen as manly
Yes. Wanting to be little girl, watching keion, rucky shit, ichigo mashimaro, hidamari sketch, minami-ke, mitsudomoe and etc sure is such a manly activity.

I will admit that straight out BL games can be somewhat tough to deal with if they focus to much on that kind of thing. But to be honest I have similair, albeit lesser issues, with Yuri games in general as well following more or less the same principles. In short, the homosexuality more easily challenges my suspension of disbelief.

That said, I have absolutely nothing, against straight games with female protagonists and male love interests. In fact, reading from a female's point of view is something I find several levels of interesting. In short, it is a perspective I can't have realistically any other way, but more importantly, it doesn't need to have any meaning to what the quality of the story is. it's just a different perspective.

You don't need to be gay to follow a female lead just because you are male yourself. If the story is interesting and the protagonist likeable, then if the story is also romantically inclined with one or several love interests, then you can surely think for a moment and judge what bloke you respect the most and or is the most suitable for the female protagonist at hand. What relation did you find the most nice? And you see, perspective disregarded, a straight relationship, is for all intents and purposes, straight.

I mean sure, a male might do without prolonged descriptions of the male body or whatnot, but to begin with that may or may not be the most common thing in "female fiction", but even if there was a slightly more than average quantity of that element, then what's the big deal unless it is outright silly amounts?
I mean, if that is such a big deal, then you could question yourself the importance of the other elements of the novel and whether or not it is a solid story on its own anyway. If the work is notable in anyway then it should be worth checking out for either gender.

GET OUT BITCHES. WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY YOUR HOMOLUST GAMES.

YOUR NOT GOING TO CHANGE US.

That article is pretty hateful towards men. I'm pretty sure the translators choose games they find worthy of translation(Cross Channel,Muv luv and Subarashiki hbi)

>>8355273
You sexist piece of shit. If you don't play an equal number of male-oriented eroge and otome games then you are sexist. If you don't translate an equal number of both then you are sexist.

>>8355336
because homosexuals don't exist in real life or date?????

>>8355346
I want to play homolust games, but there are no good translated homolust games.

Here's a question.

Do you think fujoshi would let a couple of robust faggots fuck each other and then skeet on them or would they be afraid of the dick?

I'm thinkin' afraid of the dick.

>BAWWWWW IM TOO LAZY TO LEARN HOW TO CODE BETTER MAKE MEN DO IT WHILE I CRY ABOUT HOW STRONG AND INDEPENDENT I AM

Wow, this thread sucks.

I don't care about the sexism shit, I just want to play otome games, and its the only reason I'm learning Japanese. Also its a shame that there aren't more translated because with the right marketing girls of all ages and cliques flock to stuff like this. Girls love to read, and reading a teen or adult novel with pictures would be icing on the cake. Hell, I know my grandma would like these games.

"In the otome community your expected to buy the game to play it while in the harem community, people care less about how you got it and more about what you think of it. Another thing is meme-ability, how many harem game, anime characters became memes and how many otome game, anime characters have become memes."

we bette rthan you

>>8355333
In this context manly pretty much means straight, which fits since all the shows are full of girls. Nobody would watch a show about teenagers flying around in their underwear fighting aliens. That would be totally gay.

>>8355333
In this context manly pretty much means straight, which fits since all the shows are full of girls. Not that many guys would watch a show about middle school boys doing middle school boy things.

>>8355382
>Girls love to read, and reading a teen or adult novel with pictures would be icing on the cake.
The paradox is that the type of girl who would teach herself how to translate and code is not usually the type of girl that the typical otome game protagonist would appeal to.

>>8355382
It's not as if otome games are a complex read though. No I'm being honest, they tend to have more voice overs and will have less kanji but more slang. They're easy to pick up on.

The only problem is laziness all together in the otome/BL gaming community. They want everything done for themselves without being accountable for actions. That's pretty much why most girls who play the game rely heavily on AGTH and Atlas to play them.

>>8355399
The men should do it for them,obviously.

>>8355402
Nothing quite like fujoshi cred

>>8355383
This is only true because guys avoid those animes and most people don't know they exist in the first place. Its not really because those shows are bad, its because they don't have the fanbase.

>>8355390
Ah...
>>8355393
How about high school boys? I love cromartie and I want to watch Daily lives of HS boys in this season.

OK, riddle me this.

You know what kind of hygiene the average male /jp/ user has.

Imagine what the female's hygiene is like.

Manky crusty overgrown bearded clam. BUHHHHH~~~

Yeah, I'm sure those gay bishonen would just come running out of the closet to go straight for you, you nasty bitch.

>>8355354
>because homosexuals don't exist in real life or date?????
No, but things like say Togainu no Chi where every dude and their mother was a male homosexual who lusted for everything around them, then that isn't exactly as likely.
Or a Yuri game where 9/10 of the girls in the all girls schools are lesbians, then the same applies there.

But now, it doesn't need to be as ridiculous as that, but homosexuals are a minority in general.
To begin with, the odds of several homosexuals to end up at the same place like that, all getting to know eachother without going through some sort of "gay channel", just isn't too likely. What's even less likely is all the gay people finding out the other gay people around them are indeed gay, and even if they do, later get it on with them.

See, if a story involves a decently large cast, and the homosexual people are like, one pair, or 3 or something then that's a start. Even more kudos to them if they meet in a way that's not just "Wow a random encounter -> Wow you were gay too!".

But enough bantering about this. Homosexual literature could be fine like that if it is decently written. Or something like that. Straight romance can be a mess too, but when a homosexual romance is a mess, it also carries the extra luggage of being less likely to happen to begin with, it easily makes any kind of homosexual romance to come off as more forced if compared to a similair straight one, that is, unless the homosexual romance is tactful and actually decently written.

Fuck this thread.

Seriously, though.

No one's listening to you talk to yourself anymore, you retarded whore.

>>8355346
>>8355362
>>8355411
>>8355430
Why do you have these pictures... What a gaylord...

Is "Sexism" the word that triggered the shit spam? Cause /jp/ tend to be able to have otome game discussions.

>>8355430
This is seriously one of the most vile images I have ever seen.

>>8355441
I don't know but if you read the link posted you'll realize the girl is incredibly ignorant and just outright stupid.

where is princess when u need her?

This thread is bloody terrible.

>>8355457
Eww, no one needs her...

>>8355451
She's not wrong in the sense that hackers and VN publishing companies tend to be immensely male-oriented and are "sexist" that way. What did you find so utterly incorrect about the interview?

>>8355463
Good thing your post helped make /jp/ a better place.

>>8355484
1.Translators translate what they think is worth translating
2.Her using of 'sexist'
3.Companies don't do otome/bl because no one fucking buys it.

>>8355510
Don't bump your shitty thread please...

>>8355510
Okay, but the only real problem is two, mostly she's just complaining about how the deck is stacked against girls and maybe using the wrong term. She obviously knows one (nobody wants to translate otome games, it's for girls) and three (the otome community fucking sucks, that's why it's small). Even if you totally disagree with her I don't see how you can conclude that she's a complete retard.

>>8355420

What the hell was with Fate/stay night? The amount of magicians in that game is just plain unrealistic. It's not that I don't like it, but the chances of that happening were just way too low. In fact they should of removed any magic use and focused on making a better story instead.

>>8355532
*should have

>>8355484
How is that sexist?

The translation scene is almost entirely amateur. Anyone can join male or female.

If they need more female representation than they just need to get more females translation and hacking.

>>8355532
Your logic is flawed.

FSN plot is about a war between magus. There is a reasonable reason for numerous characters to have magical ability.

Some of the yaoi games are set in high school. Unless it is a high school that caters for the gay population then there is no logical reason for a gay majority.

>>8355336

Yes, because harem are so realistic. 10 chicks wanting 1 dick is totally grounded in reality.

>>8355680

Half (if not all) of FSN cast of female is bisexual, yes no one ever said anything, how come?

>>8355732
Rin and saber is half? Oh shit.

>>8355732
>10 chicks wanting 1 dick is totally grounded in reality.

It is. Girls tend to be attracted to guys that other girls display attraction for, because that increases the value of the guy in their eyes.

>>8355532
F/SN is about a ritual created by magi that chooses and gathers magi and have them fight eachother. Magi also generally speaking attend the same kind of education/research/activities and learn of eachother by eachother in communities where all are magi. So in short they are all making extensive use of "magi channels" to come into contact and or learn more about other magi.
Of course there are exceptions, like say, Shirou, a magus not making use of magi channels, and he barely knew what magic was and didn't know of anyone.

I mean sure, if you come up with a game with a secret order of gay people that stalks and seeks out a lonely homosexual youth and forces him into their homosexual activity, then that would be easier to swallow than him living next to 5-7+ other gay people and getting it on with them by chance.

>>8355732
>Yes, because harem are so realistic. 10 chicks wanting 1 dick is totally grounded in reality.
No one said that straight harems were realistic. But 10 chicks wanting the same 1 dick must still be alot more realistic than 10 male homosexuals wanting the same 1 dick. If anything, because it is sort of against the odds of this 1 dick to even know 10 gay people of the same sex unless he frequents gay channels gay people attend to meet gay people.

In comparison it is alot more realistic to have 1 notable guy catch the fancy of 10 others of the opposite sex.

>>8355732
Even if Rin was a full blown Lesbian not attracted to males at all. Point still stands that Saber isn't magically a lesbian as well, and even if they were both lesbians, that would be it.

>>8355800
> must still be alot more realistic than 10 male homosexuals wanting the same 1 dick.


Not really. You probably don't notice how absurd and ridicule that's it because it's the "norm" for you, but it's fucking stupid. Take Muv-Luv. Do you think a cast of 40 female and 1 male is even remotely logical? When half of that cast wants the MC dick?

Again, FSN had Rin, Saber, Caster, Rider suddenly contracting the lebz, but no one ever bitched or said anything.

>>8355837
>Caster, Rider
This is proof that you haven't even read the game.

>>8355837
That's explained.

Humanity was mostly wiped out in war.
As in todays world males took the brunt of the fighting and therefore deaths.

Pretty much all the males suited for combat are dead.

>>8355837
A lot of normal girls are at least bicurious, it isn't that much of a stretch to think they'd want to experience it.

>>8355732
>Yes, because harem are so realistic. 10 chicks wanting 1 dick is totally grounded in reality.

It is.
It's like how in high school most male students would want to fuck the best looking girl.

>>8355837
>Do you think a cast of 40 female and 1 male is even remotely logical? When half of that cast wants the MC dick?
Confirmed for not reading Muv Luv. All the males died because thanks to feminist like you, they were all sent to war while the girls all stay back at the kitchen.

>>8355837
There was an in-universe explanation for the muv luv gender ratio. It came across as a bit contrived, but there was still a reason for it.

>>8355680
>FSN plot is about a war between magus. There is a reasonable reason for numerous characters to have magical ability.
4 of those magic users are fucking schoolmates, and even their teacher is abnormal. Even Nasu recognized how ridiculous it was, with his typical anvilicious "another master at our school? hahaha, don't worry seiba, there's no way that could happen!" dialog

This is not even criticism, highschools where everyone is a magic user/martial artist/werewolf/dickgirl is typical immature manga/VN fare.
JAPANESE MEDIA IS UNREALISTIC/ESCAPIST, STOP THE PRESSES

>>8355862
>4 of those magic users are fucking schoolmates
And 3 of them are from the same family and learned magic for the same reasons. And they all also live in the same city because of the same magical ritual.

>>8355862
>4 of those magic users are fucking schoolmates
the war happened earlier than expected so of course the main families heirs are still students. Or what, want to complain that between Tohsaka, Matou and Einzbern there's too many magi families in a land where a magical competition made by them is held?
I'll agree the teacher assassin felt silly though

>>8355854
>Confirmed for not reading Muv Luv. All the males died because thanks to feminist like you, they were all sent to war while the girls all stay back at the kitchen.

Ahah, no.

We see heard tons of males in the VN, but we are show them.

Take the Valkyrie, 12 females and no males.

>>8355858
It's not even contrived

Girls school becomes co-ed and protagnist is the first male character at the school is contrived.

Humanity is effectively slaughtered in a war so there are significantly more women than men in the population is not contrived.

For instance in the historical Paraguayan War, 90% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed.
After the war the population of Paraguay was about 221,000 with 28,000 adult males and 106,000 adult females.

>>8355897

We heard tons of males in the VN, but we are never show them* derp.

Just think of the rebellion arc or the arc where they test the new OS.

>>8355897
It makes sense in setting though.

>>8355897
All the best males are already dead apart from those that are too old to have fought in the frontlines, are from a country that didn't fight in the frontlines or were in the navy so didn't fight in the land battles.

>>8355918
>All the best males are already dead
That's not quite true. You see a bunch of them in the coup d'etat

>>8355922
It's reasonably acceptable for a percentage of males to survive. The demographics would be similar to the historical Paraguayan war.

>>8355918
>All the best males are already

So what? Most of Muv-Luv is training arc.

There could still be tons of 16-17 years old male around, training just like the female main characters.

>>8355922

There no others male old enough to be drafted at the present and go to Yokohama base to boot, stop picking at straws

I dont have Muv Luv installed by now but I am pretty sure it was stated that all the males are either on the frontline or dead and that is why they started drafting girls into the army. Thus they formed Isumi's squad.

>>8355883
>>8355896
But OF COURSE they all belong to ancient magus families!
except for the hero who was the sole survivor of a terrible accident and rescued by the biggest badass of the previous war which indirectly enabled him to accidentally summon the best servant etc etc


F/SN belongs on fanfiction.net, the fact that you're in denial about that is quite depressing.

>>8355936

In all japan? HOW, THIS IS VERY REALISTIC.

>>8355896

They are all in the same class and know each other (Shinji/Rin/Shirou) and there is Sakura... yes, totally realistic.

I remember once upon a time when I still attended school.
There were over 10 females, and at one point or another I bet they all fantasized about the guy with the best grades and or the guy best at sports or something.
I am not sure there were even 2 same sex homosexuals though, let alone one, or a dozen for that matter. And even if there were I doubt they would all get it on with eachother or even know of eachother's gay statys. And how come they don't hopelessly fall for the straight guys when they are in the vast majority?

>>8355897
>Valkyrie
>no males

.......I am not seeing the problem.

>>8355944
Japan was almost completely ruined.
Play Muv-Luv before speaking

>>8355944
Given the additional explanation and context in the previous comments and the games, yes I would say it makes the situation rather believable. Remember that we're comparing these to games with absolutely zero explanation behind their unrealistic situations.

>>8355946
Your argument is pretty retarded. You can use that logic with anything and it doesn't make it any less retarded.

>>8355944

You do know that the Valkyries and squad 207 were selected due to having very good causality potential in the hope of bringing a good future right? They HAVE to be selective of everyone choosen to go in that squad, Yokohama base doesn't seem to be a very popular training field anyway, squad 207 seem to be the only cadets in the whole place.

>>8355946
oh, and Shirou, despite being a shit magus, just happens to be able to summon a reality marble
because it's in his nature or something
well okay then.

>>8355950
>Japan was almost completely ruined.

Only the part whi boys, i see

>Play Muv-Luv before speaking

derp

Maybe you should. We heard males, they are mentioned during the novel (Isumi lover) and yet there are NOW males around, except 20 women that Takeru could bang all.

>>8355932
A few of the Valkyries mentioned that a boy they liked had already died in the war.
Quite possibly they were sent to the frontline at an earlier age and already died. Takeru's squad were artificialy kept from the frontlines due to their families importance.

Perhaps because of the population imbalance the governments were restricting the number of males in the army so that future reproduction could occur?

In anycase given the scenario that MuvLuv is set in it's logical for their to be a gender imbalance in the population.

>>8355944
Shinji, Rin, and Sakura are practically from the same family. So it is no wonder they know eachother/are around eachother.
They all also live in Fuyuki because the ongoing ritual their grandparents started at the exact same place. They are all also forced to interract with eachother when that same ritual forces them to.

Also, because that latest ritual started prematurely, and because none of them have any proper family heads to homeschool them anymore and because they live in a modern time when it is expected of them to attend school, they all do exactly that. Fuyuki isn't the biggest city around, they are more or less the same age as eachother, they end up in the same school.

As for how their ancestors hooked up with eachother. They were all famous and were in need of eachothers' expertiese.

>>8355957
wtf has that got to to with sexism?

>>8355957
Did you only watch the animu or something?

>>8355965
> and yet there are NOW males around
We already answered that.

>>8355957
Regardless of what you think about protags turning out to have hidden powers, it's not what we're discussing.

>>8355954
>You can use that logic with anything
With any escapist wish-fulfillment media, yes.
Which happens to be 90% of all eroge and 75% of manga. I guess you never read anything else.

>>8355965
To be fair, Takeru can only bang 6girls.
The rest are bakayuki property but he died in the Yokohama Gbomb years before the story started. It is just like real life, male get drafted first but they have no choice to draft girls since majority of the males population are dead.

>>8355976
>which indirectly enabled him to accidentally summon the best servant etc etc

You didn't read the novel,did you? Fucking avalon.

>>8355965
Look at the article on the real life Paraguayan war. Since this war was historical we can use it as an example of how such an event would occur in reality.
Most people in the army are male. The army was almost entirely killed. More men are dead than females.
Eg after the Paraguayan war, the adult female population was almost 4x larger than the adult male population.

Some males would have survived for instance Isumi's lover. This is because not all males would have fought in the frontlines and some would not have fought at all.
The government would not force these people to fight because it is important that some males survive so reproduction can occur.

Takeru was transported in from another world. If he had not being transported to that world, the Alternative world would have had 20 girls and 0 boys.

Takeru is an exception.
The UN army that is stationed at the base is mentioned to be mainly American. America is mentioned to have survived relatively unscathed so will have a higher proportion of males to females than the other country.

>>8355946
>>8355957
Shirou was affected by the great and incredibly potent magical artifact of which Kiritsugu infused into his body and or very soul. Its long term effects could almost be likened to that of a curse.

The reason the grail chose him was because Kiritsugu, the one who raised him, also participated. Also, because he is related by blood to the Einzbern who created the ritual.

Saber was summoned because all masters are forced upon a Servant whether or not they want to. But because Shirou had Avalon inside of him he got Arthur rather than some other random spirit.

He can draw upon the effects of a reality marble because the crazy magical artifact inside of him successfully altered his affinity to that of blades.
And more extensive use of it is because the person who saves his life happened to have a reverse-cataluyst to summon him from the future, a version of Shirou who had a lifetime to learn more of freakish nature.

it's like reading people complaing about there being too high a concentration of athletes at the olympics
totally unrealistic, how could there even be that many people who by chance all play the same sports, in the same stadium? fucking forced fanfictions

Starry Sky in Spring is the third highest rated VN on VNDB's otome chart, and it's literally one of the worst things I have ever read. That should say a lot about the kind of people who love that shit.

>>8355968
No, and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss anything from the VN.
All they explained was that Shirou apparently has an affinity for projecting swords and then he can whip out a reality marble. What the fuck is this, Bleach?

>>8355976
Practically all fiction is to an extent wish fullfillment.

Can you offer any logical reason for why Alternate should have equal gender populations?

Actually your choice of VN was quite retarded, Alternate has one of the best reasons to have a gender imbalance.

The guy picking holes in FSN and Muv Luv is missing the point. Whether you think they're any good or not, the fact is that they have (fairly in-depth) explanations for their gender/magi ratios that would otherwise be unrealistic. This is in contrast to those yaoi games, which supposedly do not.

>>8355992
Maybe because it's the only one for PC that has english patch? Also what would you consider a good otome game?

>>8355997
First off, everyone had an affinity for something. It just barely matters what it is unless you are magically inclined.
Avalon also messed him up pretty badly, and it was stated repeatidly in fact that Avalon desired a sword.

>>8355997
Then shut up already. Nasu gave walls of text explain this shit and you're complaining.

>>8355981
>Avalon
That's what I meant by "being rescued by Kiritsugu indirectly enabled him to summon Saber", dumbshit.
It doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

>>8356012
Please tell me what you think doesn't make sense,okay? You haven't done anything besides 'lol stoppid xDD'

>>8355995
>it's like reading people complaing about there being too high a concentration of athletes at the olympics

this post is so stupid that it looks written in a bioware forum

>>8355997
which has nothing to do with sexism or gender imbalance.

It's like complaining that Sailor Moon is somehow a princess

>>8356000
>The guy

We are different people

>>8356012
In what way does having the catalyst your father used to summon a spirit, inside your freaking body, later forcing you to summon the exact same spirit, not make sense?
Or at the very least, in what way does it make no sense?

>>8356029
The guys then. Doesn't affect the meaning of my post in any way.

>>8356022
so you're from /v/, explains a lot of things

>>8355995
Fourth Grail War:
Only 2 Masters from Fuyuki, 5 foreigners.
Fifth Grail War: Regardless of route, 6 Masters from Fuyuki, 1 "foreigner" (if Ilya counts as such, didn't she grow up in the forest castle? Then every master is from Fuyuki)
Note that I considere Kotomine to be from Fuyuki by the 5th Grail War since he had been around for 10 years and he acted as "the church's priest".

>>8356022
it's the kind of logic this guy is using

>>8356037
> This is in contrast to those yaoi games, which supposedly do not.

It's not like other heroge do it either, look at YU-NO or Clannad aids...

>>8356038
>YU-NO
I love Yu-no. It's actually one of my favorite pieces of fiction.

>>8356038
There is gender equality in those settings.

The main characters just don't give a shit about other males and for the medium purposes there is no need to show characters who are irrelevant to the plot.

More recent VNs which have greater capacity for showing imagines have greater gender equality- eg Little Busters and Majikoi.

Lets drop FSN and MLA and discuss something else.
Why are all the magic user all girls?
Lets look at Nanoha and Madoka.
Why no male magicians?
In Nanoha, both the ferret and chrno got relegated as sideshow and there are barely any male magicians? Are they perceived as weak?
Same case with Madoka as apparently it is not possible for male to have strong emotional capability to generate entropy.
Why are male perceived to be weak in the otaku medium and need to be saved by their female counterpart? Please discuss.

>>8356041
>Regardless of route, 6 Masters from Fuyuki
because no one knew the war was even starting so soon, so the Grail had to choose amongst the fucking people she had available, rather than everyone gathering up for the appointed event?
Seriously FSN has a lot to nitpick on, but this is explained time and time again

>>8356049
>Why are all the magic user all girls?
HAHAHHAHA

>>8355995
> how could there even be that many people who by chance all play the same sports, in the same stadium?

Because they gather all athletes in the world in one place and send them invitation for that.

They don't "accidentally" happen all to live in the same place

>>8356047

And Takuya had sex with wat, 10 women? In the second half he basically fucks every woman he meets, and he meets one woman after another, and they all fall for his dick in 5 seconds. including TWO of his daughter

Totally realistic.

>>8356038
>YU-NO
All while the protagonist was from average, having had near perfect grades, was great at sports, and was among other things very loud and socially active.
If it wasn't for the time-loop mechanics, he would most likely have ended up with 1, or no girls. Though of course, because of the time shanenigans he practically ended up with all of them simultaneously.

>>8356059
>If it wasn't for the time-loop mechanics, he would most likely have ended up with 1, or no girls. Though of course, because of the time shanenigans he practically ended up with all of them simultaneously.

Did you read the second half?

holy shit, there are more nerdy games being translated for boys from japan.
fucking news at 11.
just shut the fuck up, if you want you gay shit you women should fucking translate it. this is not to hard to figure out that the translators, who are mostly guys dont want too translate your gay shit.

>>8356038
I haven't had anything to do with clannad in ages, but I recall you had a male friend, male students some of the clubs and when you're working, and a female cast that mostly shows little overt affection for you unless you go for their route. I could be wrong though.

>>8356058
what's accidental about people from the families who made the fucking Grail being chosen?
Kuzuki is the only one who feels weird being there, so you're making such a fuss for one character?

>>8356058
What's wrong with their world having different morals than ours? Might as well say any country besides your own is 'LOL UNREALISTIC XD'

>>8356058
>They don't "accidentally" happen all to live in the same place
But the Heaven's Feel ritual doesn't happen accidentally either. It's a couple of hundered years old ritual that keeps sending invitations to the same bloodlines and organizations each reoccuring event.
It also always took place at the same place, so they all eventually moved their headquarters there.

>>8356063
Not all otome games are BL, you fucktard.

>>8356086
No otome games are BL.

>>8355210
Should have been /thread

>>8356061
>Did you read the second half?
Yes, and it was for most part stupid. I won't deny that.
Following my original point though, without the time shanenigans, he would never have reached that world, and the second part would never have happened.
So once again, without that he would most likely have ended up with either 1, or no girls. And that's despite being a slightly unrealistic super Alpha male, being a prodigy in both theoretical and physical ability coupled with a strong social capability.

>>8356070
>what's accidental about people from the families who made the fucking Grail being chosen?

That's not the point.

The point is that they are all classmates and know each other

>>8356058
In FSN the mages that want the grail go to the same place.

The Tohsaka family host the war on their land. They were living there beforehand so it is logical for them to continue living there.

The Matou family moved to the land because they had no lands of their own and had close ties with the Tohsaka. It's logical for them to be there.

The Einzberns are responsible for preparing the grail so they know exactly when the war will start so it is logical for them to be present.

Kotomine is responsible for overseeing the grail and he arranges for the Mage Association to send a contender in Bazette.

Caster's original master is unknown but he is killed shortly after the start of the war. Caster doesn't need a magus for energy so can contract with a non magus. Logically since she is in Fuyuki the non magus who finds her lives in Fuyuki.

There is a perfectly rational explaination for why all the contenders are in Fuyuki.

>>8356109
What is the problem?
They all stay in Fuyuki, of course they are gonna go to the same school.
And it is only 4 out of 7 counting the teacher.
Bazette is a foreigner.

>>8356109
But they are from the same family(s) that have lived in the same city for generations. And as they are all of highschool age, that is practically the only highschool in fuyuki. It was said more than once that it wasn't that big of a place.

And Family tends to know eachother.

>>8356109
As I said before, the war started early, and there's only that one school in Fuyuki, what's unnatural about it?
For every character who is a magus and knows another magus, there's also plenty of characters who aren't magi at all, like Issei, Ayako and the others.

>>8356102
You still mad about your favorite character,milf fucker?

>>8356109
> classmates
this is wrong though, Sakura is one year younger, and Tohsaka isn't even in the same class as Shirou (Shinji might too, I don't remember)

>>8356109

It is perfectly logical for the Tohsaka and the Matou to know each other.

Fuyuki is a small town and has one major public school. Most people who live in Fuyuki would go to that school.

What the fuck are you arguing about anyway?
Every form of literature takes these kind of liberties. That's like saying why the fuck is Bilbo not taken over by the ring as quickly as gollum or Isilduir?

This has nothing at all to do with gender diversity or sexism

You are just continuing the arguement for the purpose of being a faggot

>>8356131
Who? The brainwashed woman? Or the stepmom? In either case my favorite one was Mio, and it feels good to know that somewhere in the multiverse, she was happy.

>>8356072

YU-NO sex scenes in the second half were totally shitty and retarded, Takuya meet one woman after another and has sex with her in the most weird condition (near his daughter 5 days after his wife died?, i mean, serially?)

Even if you accept they live in a magical country were having sex with a person you meet five second ago is ok, it still stupid.

>>8356145
>she was happy.

or dead

>>8356150
Yes... or happy. I prefer happy.

>>8356005
>First off, everyone had an affinity for something.
Yeah, but not everyone has a fucking reality marble.
>Avalon also messed him up pretty badly, and it was stated repeatidly in fact that Avalon desired a sword.
That was in the Fate Route. Where he didn't whip up a reality marble.
I don't even remember Avalon being mentionned at all in UBW.

>>8356051
>no one knew the war was even starting so soon
Dude, the fucking game starts with Rin (actually a pretty clueless master, all things considered, good thing she has Shirou around to make her look smart) finishing her lengthy preparations for the Grail War (and Kirei complaining that she's late and she's gonna be on the last masters). Ilya literally spent her whole life preparing for it.
So don't give me that bullshit. If Waver could make it to the 4th Grail War, anyone can.

>>8356146
The average person would have sex with a hot big boobed lady they just met. Inside or outside.

>>8356159
>That was in the Fate Route.
No, it happened about 10 years before the story started. It is very likely that Shirou's affinity wasn't blades before.
>Yeah, but not everyone has a fucking reality marble.
Actually, everyone in the setting has an inner world. It's just that almost none can plaster it ontop of the current world.

And make note of how Shirou couldn't either if it weren't for Archer, of whom he basically downloads memories, abilities and experience from by merely being in close proximity to him.
And we have no idea what kind of life he led, for all we know he might have learned it from himself too, ala time-paradox.
And even if there were no paradox and there once was an "EMIYA Prime", then we still don't know if he learned it himself somehow or if it was granted to him through his contract with the world or whatever.

>>8356159
the only thing we're said is that Ilya started training Berseker -months- in advance, with everyone surprised because it wasnt' supposed to happen.
Fate/Zero has Kirei and Tokiomi talk about the Grail War 3 years before it started, because it was regular occurrence.
And two of the foreign masters who would have partecipated, namely Lancer and Caster's master, were either killed or incapacitated just before the war.
So the Grail picked what she had in Fuyuki.

>>8356159
>If Waver could make it to the 4th Grail War, anyone can.
Well, almost. In theory at least. By default though, it's the same people over and over again.
It's the three mage families, it is the representatives of the two mage associations/alchemy thing, and the Church.
And lastly there is the rogue because of a lack of sufficiently interested parties.
By the time of the fifth ritual though, Kiritsugu/Shirou as well as the Einzberns for that matter, had essentially eradicated the place of the rogue thanks for the birth of a new interest group, Einzbern's old mercenaries.

>>8356093
>An otome game (乙女ゲーム otome gēmu, lit. Maiden Game?) is a video game that is targeted towards a female market, where one of the main goals, besides the plot goal, is to develop a romantic relationship between the female player character and one of several male characters.

Oops, sorry. But this guy >>8356063 is still fucktard.

>>8356185
>No, it happened about 10 years before the story started. It is very likely that Shirou's affinity wasn't blades before.
Oh, that's what you meant by that. I don't really have a problem with Shirou having an affinity for swords.

>Actually, everyone in the setting has an inner world. It's just that almost none can plaster it ontop of the current world.
That was my point.

>we still don't know
Yeah. It's not clearly defined how and why someone develops a reality marble. Shirou is certainly good at projecting swords, but reality marbles aren't even tied to projection magic (although his own is.)
And "he downloaded information from his future self" raises more fucking questions.
I accept that he copied Archer's fighting style and it naturally worked for him since he's, well, himself, but for anything more complex than what sword design to use, I call bullshit.

>targeted towards a female market
Why so little female translators?
Too dumb to learn Japanese?

>>8356221
It's because they were essentially the same soul occupying the same space. They were of course different from eachother, but close enough to feed into eachothers minds and memories.
In theory, it would have kept contuining for as long as they stayed like that.

>>8356159
The three families created the grail war and run it.
All three of them would be aware of the wars occurance. Ilya was created for the puropse of fighting in the war.

Due to the cirumstances of the last war and the fact that Kotomine is the supervisor, both Kotomine and Gilgamesh would notice the grail getting ready.

In fate zero there are three masters from the three families. Kotomine was invited to join by the Tohsaka family. Kayneth was a representative of the magus association. Waver heard about the war from Kayneth and the other guy was a generic wildcard entry from the Fuyuki population.

In FSN.
The three families have three masters. Bazette was invited by Kotomine and represents the magus association. Assasins master was Caster. Caster's original master is unknown but she killed him offscreen in Fuyuki and found someone else to be her master. Obviously in this circumstances she would pick someone from Fuyuki.
Shirou is the wildcard entry similar to murderer-kun

>>8356226

lol, there are probably more females that know japanese than male

>>8356240
Then, they are a bunch of lazy cunts?

>>8356240
Than why aren't they translating?

The translation scene is amateur and there are no barriers to entry.

If females can't be bothered translating the game they are interested in than they can't complain.

It's like skipping all your lectures and not doing any study and complaining when you fail the unit.

>>8356207
>>8356234
>>8356239
>>8356188
I thought that discussion wouldn't get anywhere but I was pleasantly surprised. Thanks, you guys!

>>8356246
>Than why aren't they translating?

Not interested in Visual Novel?

There are shittons of yaoi translation group out of there

Never mind this worhless bickering, watch you some Best Corean TV.

http://112.170.78.145:50000/chosun

>>8356221
>but for anything more complex than what sword design to use, I call bullshit.
You know how the masters are connected to their Servants and sees their memories in their dreams etc?

Yeah, Shirou and Archer had a connection similair to that, that even though they had no contract nor were master/servant, was still stronger than the master/servant due to being the same person.

Archer told repeatidly how Shirou made him remember things he never thought he would remember. And Shirou kept seeing things he didn't understand, and later when they confronted eachother he even blurted out "these are Archer's memories" after he had troubles realizing what the visions he saw were.

>>8356255
Fujoshi are more productive? Not surprising.

>>8356246
It's weird because the shoujo/BL manga translation scene is VERY active.
It's just the games that apparently go under the radar.
I would say that they're technologically challenged and can't patch but editing manga or subbing anime probably requires more technical knowledge than making a translation patch for most VNs, actually.

>>8356245

Why aren't they on /jp then?

>>8356267
> but editing manga or subbing anime probably requires more technical knowledge than making a translation patch for most VNs, actually

>>8356266
More like reproductuve am I right?

>>8356256
I know how I'm spending my night now. Thanks anon.

Women don't know how to use computers.

And the rare times women even get involved with a computer is when they walk into an Apple store.

>>8355994
>because he is related by blood to the Einzbern who created the ritual.

>>8356304
Blah. He is raised by person now related by blood with those who created the ritual.
That whole sentence turned out a mess. Was supposed to be a link there somewhere between that and the paragraph that declared that Kiritsugu raised him.

>>8356256
wat.

There's something about they music they play. I kinda of want to try going there now

>>8356287
>>8356338
What is that?

>>8356345
The North Korean state sponsored media.

Check it out, it's actually really cool.

Speaking of Otome Games and F/SN.
F/SN's premise/story/design had great Otoge potential.
Top class mage bishies summoning even bishier bishies, as well as a couple of rival witches.

>>8356350
>FSN
>not Otoge

Some bitch whining about something, why should we care?

>>8356256
Oh wow, is this a 24 hour stream?

>>8356369
Are you impreialst pig?

Can you sit all day for television?

Dear Leader proscribe for broadcast only at this times:

Weekdays: 5 p.m. to 11 p.m. KST
Weekends: 9 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. KST

Oh wow, thanks Best Corea anon.

You should make a thread for this tomorrow, I want to watch with everyone.

>>8356364
because someone is wrong on the internet

>>8356454

This thread is an eyesore. Fuck off to /cm/, /a/ or /y/ you fucking faggots.

You guys know what is funny? While their almost no otome games translated, there are a shit ton of otome games being created by western girls. Which using renpy and flash, would take just as much of a learning curve as it would to hack a VN. Not only that, but more female fans seem to be learning Japanese. I just think its a either a matter of pure laziness, or that most of the females learning Japanese just aren't that interested in them.

>>8357684
>there are
oh man, sorry

>>8357684

Maybe it's just the medium.

VN aren't that popular after all.

>>8357714
Probably. Because like anon mentioned earlier there are a lot of girl translation groups for manga and anime.

>>8357684
>most of the females learning Japanese just aren't that interested in them.
This.

Which isn't much of a loss because otome games are one of the few japanese media for which the western variants are much better.
I haven't seen a single otoge that can compare to Death Note: Poisoned, despite it being poorly written. One of the few VNs I truly enjoyed playing.

Well one thing that is surprising is that Hakuouki is coming out next month for the psp in America. Its coming out with a M rating though, so that might be its demise. Aksys is releasing it after they had that otome game survey a few months back, and I think its because of the success of 999. If Hakuouki does well, I think we will see a lot more being fan translated the more girls get their hands on them.

Just going to dump this link here since it's pretty good and no doubt several of the arguments have come up in this thread.

>When the topic of misogyny comes up, and men change the subject, it trivializes misogyny.

>When the topic of misogyny comes up, and men change the subject, it conveys the message that whatever men want to talk about is more important than misogyny.

>When the topic of misogyny comes up, and men change the subject to something that’s about them, it conveys the message that men are the ones who really matter, and that any harm done to men is always more important than misogyny.

>And when the topic of misogyny comes up, and men change the subject, it comes across as excusing misogyny. It doesn’t matter how many times you say, “Yes, of course, misogyny is terrible.” When you follow that with a “Yes, but…”, it comes across as an excuse. In many cases, it is an excuse. And it contributes to a culture that makes excuses for misogyny.

etc. etc.

Stop chasing the girls away /jp/.

>>8357845
Why? Girls can't even hold a conversation without thinking of how this will increase their chances of being impregnated. We don't need that kind of nonsense here.

>>8357845
So how about if we don't change the subject? I hate women, they are sluts. Case closed.

>>8357845

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2011/12/29/why-yes-but-is-the-wrong-response-to-misogyny/

Whoops.

What bothers me is how sexism/feminism always seems to get incredibly angry responses, more so than anything. There are plenty of other things that get talked about here which just get a SAGE, not so much the relentlessness rage of a horde of virgins. You're just showing how you can't have a mature discussion about it. It's possible you're incorrect given you're looking at things from a male perspective about something being sexist or making it difficult for women. Getting incredibly vicious and angry in response just makes it look like you're protecting your dominance.

Why do these kinds of discussions make people so angry? Do you really believe women are that much of a threat to you?

>>8357870
>Why do these kinds of discussions make people so angry? Do you really believe women are that much of a threat to you?
Normals class your value as a human by your paycheck, how "SOLID 10/10" your partner is, and how many children you have. These all rely on women in some way, and this gives them too much control in normalciety considering they are the inferior sex and on the whole not worth dealing with when one could be a wizard instead. They are a threat to our very way of life because they are a key factor in whether normals will even say you have a life or not. When we don't fit into the framework that they are able to have a measure of control over they get angry, and continue to asset that we are desperate virgins who in reality would instantly have relations with any woman if she offered, but she won't offer. More normal inclined men will use the same argument, but for different reasons. They will be angry because we are escaping a what they view as a criterion of life that they work very hard to meet.

>>8357845

>Stop chasing the girls away /jp/.

Why?
A group dominated by people who openly hate women has no reason to.

>>8357870
>Do you really believe women are that much of a threat to you?

After being shunned by society and forced into seclusion all of our lives due to our decision to value our own fantasies over real women... yes, I'd say they are a threat to us.

FWIW I don't think Otoge is inherently sexist, that's ridiculous and I don't think that's what's being said here. But the community surrounding a lot of these things can be. a lot of female groups can internalise sexist values.

I'm kind of reminded of the Chobits Retuspurae.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVvETNngco

The interview seems reasonable enough, she's not speaking for every "girl" so saying "girls" think this or that is a bit unreasonable. It's true as I've pointed out there's a lot of sexism in Otaku culture where VNs tend to be marketed.

There's nothing shocking there.

Somebody's late to the party.

Stuff doesn't go as she wants -> sexisms, sexisms everywhere

case closed

>>8359322
Why the fuck would you bump it, you fuck.

>>8357910
Those comics are drawn by such a pretentious blow hard

> Stop chasing the girls away /jp/.
We are all anonymous on this board for a reason. If you want to show off your female gender, tits of gtfo.
Also, gb2 /b/ .

> There are plenty of other things that get talked about here which just get a SAGE
You don't understand what sage means on /jp/, do you?

> Why do these kinds of discussions make people so angry?
What makes you think we are so angry? The number 1 rule here is to take it easy.

There's been a lot of misandry elsewhere, and not a single damn was given. Why should we give a fuck about misogyny, especially in here.

> In the harem anime/VN group, you have people exchanging OSTs, artbooks, manga, anime and the games all over the place. So much that you can find anything, and being able to find it means it’s more likely to have someone interested in translating it.

> In the otome group you have LOTS of closed groups. Lots of OSTs with strict orders not to share under penalty of death, don’t post this artbook anywhere. Even groups where you have to friend someone, or send an email or have a number of posts before you can see the goods.

> Sexism

Whatisthisidonteven....