/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I still laugh at how you don't understand what sage means.

cuz ur moma is a whore

/jp/ is at the gates of enlightenment.
You stand on a razor edge OP. Only you can choose whether you will fall or rise from here.

because of you

Because you're not FUCKING my cock dude.

>>8300273
>>8300283
This is why we can't have nice things

>>8300272

It contributes to a thread without bumping it, most people use it only to shitpost though.

bump to make the sagefags mad

because.

>>8300300
I am mad and stuff.

Because it makes them feel just like in 2ch

Because of all the quality content posted here

Eagles

sage to make bumpers mad

>>8301065
No eagles actually has some plausible reasoning behind it. What I want to know is why they didn't at least give the poor guys some horses.

>>8301088

Horses get nervous when they are around the ring.

>>8301122
And humans, dwarfs, and elves get corrupted, but they still had them tag along.

>>8301139

Humans, dwarfs and elves can control themselves most of the time. However, animals would fuck everything up in the most crucial moments. I guess that's why the eagles aren't fine either.

SHUT UP ABOUT THE EAGLES

we discussed this yesterday, eagles were not a plot hole

>>8301088
stealth, anon

they had to move to Mordor by stealth

horses are not stealthy

Because 2ch does it, so why not us?

is this japanese))?

>>8301155
Giant eagles are sapient beings.

Hell, all the animals in Middle-earth are sapient, I think. But giant eagles can talk.

>>8301197
They can be. There's no way there was no opportunity to pick up some trained, stealthy (at least stealthy enough for their purposes) horses throughout the journey.
I'm not saying they'd try to sneak into Mordor itself with horses, but they could at least ride half-way or something. Anything other than hiking literally across the world ON FOOT.

>>8301088
Unlike RPGs, horses aren't mechs that never tire, feel no fear and can cross any terrain.

>>8301213
Is that Wakfu? I've gotta start watching the second season.

>>8301230
This guy took the words right out of my mouth
>>8301233

You can't move stealthily with horses.

And there was no need for horses, because speed wasn't important. Stealth was all that mattered.

Because Wizards are too mainstream.

I guess. I GUESS.
So...what about Sauron just sorta forgetting about the ring once he starts his war? He knows it's out there and that someone has it, but just seems to stop caring about.
Was this explained in the books?

I remember someone posting some thing showing the ratio of sages to overall posts on every board.

/jp/ was in first place of course, and it had like 3 times more sages per post than the second place board

>>8301292
So what?

>>8301281

He has absolute confidence in the corrupting power of the ring, so he thinks it's coming back sooner or later.

>>8301292
And that didn't even count nokosages, which I personally always post with just so I don't offend anyone.

>>8301292

SORE GA DOUSHITA!

>>8301281
He never forgot the ring.

After Saruman's defeat, Sauron did become convinced that Aragorn had the ring, however.

So he spent more of his time focusing on Aragorn than sending his Nazgul to look randomly across Middle-earth.

>>8301300
Oh.
I'd say Sauron's an idiot for falling into such a cliche, overconfident villain trope...but I guess he created said trope, so that's ok.
Still, he could have at least put a god damn door on the Crack of Doom.

>>8301292
That's cause you were'nt counting textboards.
I'm pretty sure /prog/ has at least 5 times as much spp than /jp/

>>8301318
Aragorn? I thought he thought Pippin had it. Or was that some movie misinformation?

>>8301319

THAT is a plot hole. Breaking into mount doom was so easy that two fat and short legged creatures with months-long travel weariness could accomplish it.

I swear we had the same thread yesterday and it was about suicide before going into LotR lore

>>8301350
Blame this guy, he did the exact same yesterday
>>8301065

>>8301319
>cliche

It wasn't a cliche when Tolkien wrote it. In fact it was Tolkien who made it cliche, he created the whole genre of High Fantasy.

Also, >>8301300 is somewhat incorrect. Sauron did have total confidence in his ring's corrupting influence, but he wasn't okay with just forgetting about it for that reason. He was legitimately concerned that a powerful person, like Aragorn, or one of the Wizards, or an Elven lord, who get their hands on his ring and would use it to overthrow him.

>>8301357
>It wasn't a cliche when Tolkien wrote it. In fact it was Tolkien who made it cliche, he created the whole genre of High Fantasy.
Yeah, I know. That's what I said.

For the rest...all right then, then why does he pull ALL his Nazgul off the hunt to help smack Gondor around? I can understand The Witch King, but what about the rest?

>>8301330
Sauron saw Pippin through the Palantir, but he didn't think that Pippin had the ring. He thought that Saruman had captured Pippin and was torturing him by forcing him to look through it.

After Sauron learned about Saruman's defeat, Aragorn exposed himself to Sauron through the Palantir. To sort of tell Sauron "here I am" I guess.

>>8301350
The thread started about Eirin and powerlevels, then it became about LotR, and at one point it was about Kaguya turning into a turnip.

>>8301337
Easy? Have you even watched the movies?

>>8301372
Because he didn't need to hunt for Aragorn. He knew he was heading to Minas Tirith.

>>8300262
I still laugh at how 4chan doesn't understand what sage means.

If only I knew moon so I wouldn't have to spend time on a board that imports foreign concepts and then DOES IT WRONG all the time.

Using sage as a way to "insult" someone's post or thread is just completely wrong and a retarded misuse of a good feature that is so popular in sites like 2ch and Futaba. Fuck, iichan and 4-ch do it right. It's just 4chan and 4chan's lame knockoffs that fail at using sage.

The true meaning of sage means that YOUR POST isn't worthy enough to bump the thread. It's ironic, because you think that you're insulting others while you're just, in fact, insulting yourself. Yes, sage can be used when posting a derogatory comment in a thread that you don't want to bump, but posting with just the word "sage" accomplishes nothing but contribute to spamming the board. The trend of replying with the name of a tripfag and sage is even worse, as it accomplishes nothing and only serves to increase the e-penis of whoever you're "attacking".

The sage feature was never meant to serve as an implied insult or general disagreement! Why people started using it that way is beyond me. There are plenty of reasons why one would choose not to bump a thread with his reply. For example, bumping threads with stupid one liner replies should be discouraged and those people should be coerced into using sage instead.

I want to use sage, yet I almost never do it on 4chan because people will jump on me thinking I'm insulting their post or something.

So, like, whaddya guys think the naz'gul did when they were offduty? Just chillin relaxin and spanking dat female??orc meat?

>>8301319
>but I guess he created said trope, so that's ok.

How so, that's a trait that goes to Ancient Greece and probably even way back then, you sort of think that Tolkein invented literature, those were modern times already, jesus.

This is was so sick about LoTR fanbase, they'll excuse everything because supposedly "he invented it". He wasn't really a good writer, he didn't even like the stuff he wrote. If you think Tolkein spends too much time talking about Middle Earth in LoTR, it's becaue he ONLY cared about The Middle Earth in LoTR.

>>8301377
Ah, that makes sense. I think Aragon using the Palantir was a deleted scene in the movies; wonder why they took it out.

>>8301337 is right though. Mount Doom was COMPLETELY exposed after Sauron moved his armies north. It would simply be so easy yet so effective to put a big locked gate on the Crack of Doom. Hell, he should have done that as soon as he returned to Mordor.

>>8301391
Preparing Mordor for Sauron's return, then hunting the ring. They were never "off-duty."

>>8301400
Anon, I never said that Tolkien invented literature.

And yes, these themes go way back. Tolkien drew quite a lot of inspiration from old myths for LotR and his other stories.

But "High Fantasy" is a modern genre, and it comes from Tolkien.

>>8301414
> But "High Fantasy" is a modern genre, and it comes from Tolkien.
That feel when you think this way, then read written accounts of myths from centuries ago and it's exactly the same.

>>8301404
Mount Doom was not completely exposed. You had to get into Mordor before you could get to Mount Doom, and Mordor was pretty hard to get into.

Anyway, the reason why there were no guards around Mount Doom, or why the forge wasn't sealed off, is because Sauron had never considered that his enemies would try to destroy his ring, or that they might make it all the way to Mount Doom if they did.

Gandalf explains this to Pippin or someone at one point. The fellowship's only hope rested on Sauron's belief that his enemies were going to use the ring to overthrow him.

>>8301424
ancient mythology =/= High Fantasy

why don't you Wikipedia "High Fantasy" or something anon

>>8301414
Simplistic characters who do stuff just because were not a Tolkein invention, it's a setback on modern literature by Tolkein, if anything.

LotR is seriously not a very good book series, and the only thing memorable about it is the exquisitely detailed Middle Earth, which Tolkein poured love and imagination into. In narrative form, though, that shit is boring and ultra-descriptive.

>>8301427
Foolish, foolish Sauron...
If there's only one way to kill you, you block it off. Come on, man.

>>8301435
>LotR is seriously not a very good book series

It's not a series!

It's not a trilogy either.

Tolkien wrote it as a single book and he was pretty pissed when his editor split it up.

>>8301441
That's one long fucking book.

>>8301432
You should know that the difference between what was known as Fantasy at the time and High Fantasy is just Middle Earth, as in a complete world parallel to ours as a setting.

>>8301441
You are deviating too much by pointing silly mistakes.

>>8301437
Sauron can't really die though... he didn't have to worry about being killed.

Even after the ring was destroyed, he still existed. He was just pretty powerless.

Anyway, Sauron did some dumb shit. And some extremely clever shit. That's why Gandalf called him a "wise fool."

>>8301457
For a power-hungry guy like Sauron, being powerless might as well be death.

>>8301213
ugly as HELL hairy mole =-+I|I

>>8301065

If I were a Touhou, I'd take my silly hat off to you. With a single word, you caused a major derailment and the discussion that unfolded was way better than the original topic.

>>8301427
>The fellowship's only hope rested on Sauron's belief that his enemies were going to use the ring to overthrow him.

That's what makes the final scene so great. He notices that his precious ring is literally right under his nose seconds before it gets destroyed for good. This gives him just enough time for him to utter the loudest "OH, FUCK" of his eternal life.

>>8301065
Hotel California is overrated.

>>8301489
That scene is so hilarious.
"Hey, maybe I should have put ONE FUCKING GUARD at my only weak spot."

>>8301494
It's Sauron. You know, the same guy who thought it would be a fantastic idea to have a bunch of men declare war on the gods.

>>8301427
>Sauron had never considered that his enemies would try to destroy his ring

Then why the hell did he sent all those wierd black cape guys to retrieve the ring?

Hell, he even gave them dragon mounts.

What happened to the surviving orcs after Sauron "died?"

>>8301494
If Sauron covered all his bases, I bet Gandalf would have worn the ring and stomped his shit just to spite him anyway. Sure he'd be corrupted and become the next evil overlord, but at least he'd have the last word.

>>8301503
To retrieve the ring? Obviously because he wanted to use it against him, not to have his enemies use it against him. Just because he didn't figure they'd destroy it doesn't mean he didn't want it back.

>>8301503
because
>>8301357

If Aragorn, or a Wizard, or an Elven lord, or some other big shot got the ring, they could use it to overthrow Sauron.

And the fell beasts weren't dragons. Dragons were pretty much gone from Middle-earth when Smaug was killed.

>>8301514
>because he wanted to use it against -his enemies-, not
hurr

I bet Sauron wrote a book after he pseudo-died about what not to do if you want to conqueror the world. I'd read it.

>>8301511
Wouldn't the ring bind Gandalf to Sauron's will?

Isn't that the whole point?

>>8301518
Step 1: once you subvert an entire nation of capable and long-lived fighters, don't have them attack the gods.

Step 2: Don't forget that you can just use them to conquer all of the other available territory.

Congratulations, you are now an evil overlord.

>>8301516
How sad.
Were there any good/neutral dragons in LoTR, or were they all traditional assholes?

On the subject of rings, what happened to the other rings of power? I know the 9 human ringbearers become the Nazgul, and there was that one elf lady who still had her ring, but what about the other elves and the dwarves? Could they have used the rings to help fight Sauron? Were the lesser rings as corrupting as the one ring?

>>8301521
No, Gandalf wasn't that weak. He'd instead just get a huge ego and start meddling with silly things like free will and consent that keep screwing up his vision of an ideal world and become Sauron 2.0 before Middle Earth knew what hit it.

>>8301521
Well the ring wouldn't enslave Gandalf, but it would of course corrupt him.

If some big shot used the ring against Sauron, and managed to defeat Sauron, Sauron wouldn't gone for good or anything.

He was the ring's only master, and something bad would happen to whatever big shot had it. And then Sauron would rise again and try to claim the ring.

Losing again and having to rise up again so he could try to claim his ring again would set his evil plans back several thousand more years though.

>>8301530
The elves were using their rings to maintain their homeland, because Fuck Other Races.
Besides, they'd already found a sucker to fix the problem.

>>8301532
But again, that goes against the other's guy post, in which Sauron's only plan was to wait until someone used the ring against him.

So, why was he not protecting Mount Doom, again?

>>8301530
If Eru hadn't intervened the Numrenorians would have destroyed Valinor and overthrown the Valar.

That was the only time Eru ever stepped in directly to change the fate of Arda, so I can't blame Sauron for not expecting it to happen.

Why couldn't Sauron just make another ring? Why did he need a ring to be physical anyway, didn't he become physical before he made it and Gandalf and Saruman don't need one, right?

>>8301543
The last time there was a serious threat to the ring's existence, the bloke changed his mind and walked off while Elrond stood there watching like a patsy. Sauron figured that he wasn't exactly contending with the sharpest tools in the shed.

>>8301518
>>8301530
Step 3: Don't use orcs. Orcs suck, and you'll have to replace at least a garrison a week due to infighting.

Step 4: If you have one and only one weak point, they other guys are going to attack it. Without exception.
Lock the damn door.

Step 5: A cave with a big spider in it is not an acceptable substitute to a guarded wall.

Step 6: If you've got better mounts or armor for your field commanders or whatever, give it to them from the word go.

Step 7: If you've got magic, use it. All the time, as often as you can.

>>8301528
The 9 rings probably were destroyer along with Sauron.
The 7 dwarven ones were all lost or destroyed I think.
And the 3 elven ones were actually used by Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond, but they were weaker than the One ring.
Without Sauron and the ring, the elven rings probably lost their power aswell.

>>8301528
They were exactly as assholes as the dwarves. They liked gold more than their own mothers, and that was it. Even Smaug was willing to hold conversations and such, he didn't go around fucking with human settlements for no reason either.

>what about the other elves and the dwarves
Elves knew what Sauron was up to and hid their craft, so their rings are uncorrupted, proper rings of power (power rings weren't Sauron's idea) Problem is that they have only three. Dwarves had all of their rings recovered by Sauron.

>>8301543
His plan was never to wait until someone used the ring against him, that's what he was trying to avoid.

Because that's what he was absolutely convinced would happen and that's what he was doing everything he could to prevent from happening

And by that oversight he allowed his enemies the chance to destroy the ring, something he hadn't imagined they would try to or even want to attempt,

>>8301528
I'd like to know about that too. Whatever happened to the other ringbearers? The dwarves in particular. Wait, I don't remember what happened to the dwarves (in general) at all. The last thing I remember about them is them having the time of their lives in Moria.

>>8301554
He needed a physical catalyst for his power if he wanted his full strength in mortal form.
He couldn't make another ring because the one ring had half his soul in or something.

>>8301557
>Step 5: A cave with a big spider in it is not an acceptable substitute to a guarded wall.

I laughed. But come on, said spider was the descendant of Ungoliant, devourer of light trees and the one being in the universe who scared Morgoth so shitless that he just starting screaming out of sheer insanity. That's at least a somewhat capable guardian.

>>8301570
>The last thing I remember about them is them having the time of their lives in Moria.

'Sup.

>>8301570
The dwarf rings were worthless from the beginning. Think about it, what's the difference between a dwarf and a dwarf corrupted by his unhealthy desire for gold?

>>8301578
7 ringbearers can't take on one Balrog?

>>8301570
>>8301578
They dug too greedily, and too deep.

>>8301578
Pitiful Balrog, absolutely nothing compared to Gothmog.

>>8301528
All dragons were evil.

And the 7 Dwarven rings were either recovered by Sauron or were destroyed... I think the book suggests that 2 or 3 of them were destroyed.

It's not clear what Sauron did with the ones he had, but there were Dwarves who were subservient to him.

And the Elven rings were the only ones not directly corrupted by the One Ring, but they were still bound to it. When the One Ring was destroyed the Elven rings lost all of their power.

>>8301576
It also got it's ass kicked by one untrained hobbit with a sword.

>>8301591
They hit the FUN threshold

>>8301589
there were no ringbearers in Moria

or not all seven at least

but I think that Moria was destroyed long before the rings of power were made

>>8301567
>He couldn't make another ring because the one ring had half his soul in or something.
Wouldn't it have been freed when the ring was destroyed? You'd think that if destroying the ring would destroy him, he'd put the other whateverhewas's souls into rings and break them.

>>8301603
That's not so. Gimli, son of Gloin son of Groin thought it was still habited by dwarfs.

>>8301557
>Step 6: If you've got better mounts or armor for your field commanders or whatever, give it to them from the word go.

Silly goose, the Nazgul had to be on horses at the start of the story because they trying to make their way through the Shire incognito.

Fell beasts are somewhat more noticeable than horses.

>>8301614
no, you're mistaken

see, after The Hobbit, but before LotR, some of Gimli's relatives went and tried to reclaim Moria

it had been destroyed so long ago they thought it was empty, see

but it wasn't, and they all died, and then a few decades later the fellowship made their way through Moria and found everyone dead

>>8301619
>incognito
>Big, scary, faceless, jet-black riders on jet-black horses that inspire terror with their very presence and speak in a shrieking, nails-on-chalkboard voice.

Right.

>>8301619

>Incognito

Well, everyone that got near them shat their pants, their aura could be noticed miles away from them. It's not a big improvement.

>>8301607
>Wouldn't it have been freed when the ring was destroyed?
Nope, his soul is essentially a big ball of power. His main advantage with his ring was that it was a good amplifier for the power he poured in it and he could easily manipulate the other ringbearers with the One Ring, which are conveniently chosen to be human and dwarf kings with large territories. Remember how the ring fucked Mordor in the ass in a gigantic meltdown when it was destroyed.

>You'd think that if destroying the ring would destroy him, he'd put the other whateverhewas's souls into rings and break them.
You need consent and several years' effort for a single ring. It's not as easy as bringing a gigantic fucking demon spider right into the god realm and having her munch on the completely unguarded sources of all light in the world.

>>8301631
>>8301632
well they were trying to be as incognito as they could manage

which wasn't much but it was an improvement over riding fell beasts

>>8301628
Ah, I see. Thank you.

>>8301598
Hey, be fair. She only got her ass kicked because Sauron was too much of a gigantic pussy to put her on a good, wholesome diet that would allow her to grow strong.

>>8301528
>Were there any good/neutral dragons in LoTR?

No. Dragons in Tolkien's setting were bred by Sauron's boss after he recognized that Orcs by themselves sucked hard against the Elves in battle. Seeing as how said boss is basically Satan, the result is that the actions taken by the Dragons naturally result in them carrying out his will to corrupt, control, and destroy all of creation.

>On the subject of rings, what happened to the other rings of power? I know the 9 human ringbearers become the Nazgul, and there was that one elf lady who still had her ring, but what about the other elves and the dwarves?

Elrond and Gandalf have the other two elven rings; all of the dwarven rings were either swallowed by Dragons or reclaimed by Sauron.

>Could they have used the rings to help fight Sauron?

No. The power of the elven rings isn't in things like destruction or domination, and the dwarven rings enslave whoever wears them. Furthermore, the whole point of the story is that trying to match power with power doesn't vanquish evil but perpetuates it.

Yes.

>>8301651
So that'd be
>If you absolutely must have a gigantic spider guard some critical passage into your realm, keep it healthy.

.>>8301528
>Were there any good/neutral dragons in LoTR?

No. Dragons in Tolkien's setting were bred by Sauron's boss after he recognized that Orcs by themselves sucked hard against the Elves in battle. Seeing as how said boss is basically Satan, the result is that the actions taken by the Dragons naturally result in them carrying out his will to corrupt, control, and destroy all of creation.

>On the subject of rings, what happened to the other rings of power? I know the 9 human ringbearers become the Nazgul, and there was that one elf lady who still had her ring, but what about the other elves and the dwarves?

Elrond and Gandalf have the other two elven rings; all of the dwarven rings were either swallowed by Dragons or reclaimed by Sauron.

>Could they have used the rings to help fight Sauron?

No. The power of the elven rings isn't in things like destruction or domination, and the dwarven rings enslave whoever wears them. Furthermore, the whole point of the story is that trying to match power with power doesn't vanquish evil but perpetuates it.

>Were the lesser rings as corrupting as the one ring?

Yes. See: the Nazgul. The exception are the elven rings, as Sauron had nothing to do with their creation.

/jp/... you know LotR as well as, if not better than, /tg/.

If you could obtain the human rings, could you make armies of Nazguls by putting them on various people or do the old bearers have to die first?

Impressive.

>>8301714
I'm guessing, hypothetically, that if the soul of a Nazgûl were to stop being sustained by the power of a ring, it would die. But feel free to correct me.

>>8301714
>If you could obtain the human rings, could you make armies of Nazguls by putting them on various people

No. This is actually touched upon in the story itself when Frodo asks Galadriel why he isn't able to read and influence the thoughts of everyone else who has a Ring of Power. She tells him that if he wanted to be able to do that, he'd need to be far stronger and to have become a master of seeing through and influencing others through mundane means first.

In other words, you only get something as ridiculous as the Witch King if the person to whom you're giving the Ring of Power is strong to begin with. If it ends up in the hands of a weakling, the result is something like Gollum.

>>8301785
That does explain it well, thanks

Did Sauron know about the Balrog in Moria? Did he send all those goblins/orcs to conqueror the place? What was the relation between the Balrog and the goblins? Did they really defeat the dwarves there all while dodging the Balrog, or did the dwarves get pinched between the two of them?
Why is Moria such a shitty city? In the movie at least it's just pillars, pillars, a tomb, and more pillars.

Was The Witch King specifically enchanted against men, or was that just him talking shit and he never thought that someone would be able to stab him in that huge opening in his helmet?

>>8301834
As far as I remember, in the book it's Cave, Cave, Passage, Humongous Room, Cave, Cave, Passage.

>>8301834
It doesn't help that all the lights are out, everything of worth has been looted, and everyone is dead. At least it's still above water, unlike the oldest cities of elves and men.

>... A king he was on carven throne
>In many-pillared halls of stone
>With golden roof and silver floor,
>And runes of power upon the door.
>The light of sun and star and moon
>In shining lamps of crystal hewn
>Undimmed by cloud or shade of night
>There shone for ever fair and bright.

>There hammer on the anvil smote,
>There chisel clove, and graver wrote;
>There forged was blade, and bound was hilt;
>The delver mined, the mason built.
>There beryl, pearl, and opal pale,
>And metal wrought like fishes' mail,
>Buckler and corslet, axe and sword,
>And shining spears were laid in hoard.

>Unwearied then were Durin's folk;
>Beneath the mountains music woke:
>The harpers harped, the minstrels sang,
>And at the gates the trumpets rang.

>The world is grey, the mountains old,
>The forge's fire is ashen-cold;
>No harp is wrung, no hammer falls:
>The darkness dwells in Durin's halls;
>The shadow lies upon his tomb
>In Moria, in Khazad-dum.

>>8301850
Was that a repeating pattern, or was that humongous room the big hall from the movie? If the latter, my point still stands.

>>8301843
He had some spells protecting him.
That's why he could only be killed after being stabbed by the magic sword crafted specially to kill his kind.

>>8301843
I thought he was just aware of the prophecy.

>>8301871
>>8301875
Prophecy? Magic sword?
God damn it, Jackson.

>>8301879
You're complaining to the wrong person.

>>8301864
They took the straight path, not the scenic route.

>>8301886
Probably. Who should I be complaining about?

Why didn't Gandalf tell the fellowship about the giant fucking demon in Moria? Hell, even when they get there, he doesn't tell them until it's right on top of them.
Was he THAT scared of it?

>>8301864
I meant the latter, trying to support your post. That is just not how cities work, right?
While it's true that the only light they had for most of the way came from Gandalf's Seishin, I think the structure as a whole was just... odd. Shitty caverns and suddenly one bigass hall (or two? I don't remember the text exactly), and then more shitty stone and the motherfucking Balrog.

>>8301897
JRR. Both the sword and the prophecy are canon.

Did the armies of Gondor do any better in the books than the movies? In the films Gondorians almost universally sucked.

>>8301924
Nevermind, I was right.
I meant that the sword or prophecy weren't even mentioned in the movie.
>Noooo, A sword to the face! My one weakness!

>>8301947
You can't blame The Witch King for having such a gaping hole in his defenses. He's just following his boss's lead.

>>8301947
My one weakness!
Weird. He and I have the same weakness.
Small world.

>>8301923
Sounds like something I'd build in Dwarf Fortress.

>>8301961
...Well, I...
No, I got nothing.

>>8301931
>Did the armies of Gondor do any better in the books than the movies? In the films Gondorians almost universally sucked.

It depends what you mean. If you think they had absolutely no chance of winning despite fighting desperately, then the movies were doing their job.

In the books, when it describes how Gondor musters all of its forces in preparation for the siege of Minas Tirith, they can only field a few thousand troops that aren't even all of the same quality.

Furthermore, on a thematic level the whole reason why the quest is to destroy the ring and not use it, as Boromir wanted everyone to do, is because trying to vanquish Sauron by force (ie warfare) just turns results in the victor becoming the new oppressor.