/jp/ - Otaku Culture

It's ok, shitcoding in matlab as usual.

Still NEET. Still listless, the only thing that's changed since the last general thread is that I've done some laundry. In four months or so I'll do it again.

The SICP videos are fun.

>>8231410
matlab?

>>8231411
Oh. Why not try learning programming with us?

>>8231412
SICP videos, you say?

I'm too busy studying japanese at the moment, but I might try learning C++ next year. Should I start with something else? I have absolutely no experience with programming.

>>8231423
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/

I started reading some book about python. It's not as difficult as I thought it would be but I have no motivation to do this daily.

Write javascript, all day, every day.

I'm doing my final project for a programming class right now. I started today, and I need to be finished in about 3 hours.

>>8231423
Tried it once. Got through the first few lessons in a C book. Flipped through and saw they expected me to learn calculus and stuff. Decided that a future in programming was not for me, and that picking up tea as a hobby would be more up my alley and it was, and still is.

It may not be for everyone, but being NEET comes at the cost of ever doing anything, for me.

20 yo old NEET here. Feels old man... and also bad.
/jp/, don't you feel bad for living off on your parents? I do.
Being NEET isn't nice when you're also poor.
How do you guys find a willpower in yourselves to do things?

>>8231423
>matlab?
>SICP videos, you say?
holy shit

It's no wonder you never get anything if you set such half-assed and boring goals.

>>8231459
I'm strong cat who don't need no SICP

>>8231445
so, what's your project about?

>>8231445
Oh man. What is it about?

>>8231458
Once I hit twenty suicidal thoughts crept in when I realized it's now too late for me to live out a highschool life like in my animes.

Got autism bucks, spent a year buying stupid shit. And now I'm right back where I started. Moving out on my own would probably buy me another few years, but I can't afford it. What to do, what to do...

>>8231449
/jp/ers should study tea ceremony instead of programming. Programming will just make you more of an autistic neckbeard, while tea ceremony will bring you one step closer to being a little girl.

>>8231486

>tea ceremony will bring you one step closer to being a little girl.

Sorry, but no.

>>8231423
...you don't know what Matlab is? Even though you learn Python...funny stuff.

>>8231436
I'm also studying some jap too.

あなたはじかんがありますか？日本語をべんきょうしませんか？

Hmm, how about Python? I started on C++ but it gets complicated real fast. I think I need something like problem solving for dummies because even if I memorize things I have no idea how to implenent anything or solve anything efficiently.

>>8231477
I think it's not late to start, unless you're over 23.

I used to program. I didn't get very far but it was fun for a while. Now I'm too tired to do anything except post on this board and listen to some songs. Maybe when I feel better I'll pick up the hobby again

>>8231501
Well I started 2 days ago. But yes I am not the brightest bulb in the warehouse.

>>8231486
>Programming will just make you more of an autistic neckbeard

So... are you dudes studying this stuff by yourselves?

>>8231445
>I started today, and I need to be finished in about 3 hours.

Oh, man. I had to implement enemies, scoring system, bullets, highscores, sound, music and a game over screen like 3 hours before my project presentation, a shmup for cellphones, a year ago. I never finished, but it was a passable project.

Best of luck to you.

>>8231486
Why can't we do both? I'm really only doing programming in hopes of getting job a semi-autistic faggot like me can probably do. It's the only I probably can do too.

>>8231520
>studying this stuff by yourselves?
You have to.
At uni they only teach you the basis, but then you have to learn languages, patterns, new trends, buzzwords, frameworks, etc, by yourself.

>>8231387
Why does cat wear headphones to the side of it's head while his ears are on the top?

>>8231504


漢字を覚えることは本当に難しいです。

>>8231509
You don't get it at all.

Getting older sucks. Because all else aside, I'm not younger anymore. As a teenager you can always say 'I can get back to it, it's fine I still have time". But once you start looking like an adult.... once you are an adult...

I don't want to be an adult.

And I am older than 23.

>>8231551
Google late bloomers or whatever.

Unless you are in your deathbed, it's not too late for anything.

>>8231572
What the hell are you even talking about?

>>8231551
Become a a Japanese ladyboy. They'll look young well into your 40s.

>>8231572
Upset becuase not a kid anymore.

>Never too late to be a kid.

End of puberty is a pretty hard line on that sort of thing. Surgery and lucky genetics aside.

>>8231545
全然。書き方を覚える必要が無かったら、難しくなんか無い。

>>8231596
My reading comprehension has seen better days.

I'd love to learn programming and go back to school, too bad I never did it earlier and now I'm 24 with no prospects.

>>8231551
This this this. So damn depressing. I'm 27. 27 is young. Or at least I thought it was. But apparently I'm too old to learn or do anything worthwhile, and people half my age have accomplished a lot more.

Is it real to learn this stuff by yourself if you don't have any basic knowledge( I didn't study anything simular in uni or school)? Or should I take some courses before trying to study this by myself?

>>8231632
Your only 24 you could go back...

>>8231726
Going back would be nice, going back to 14.

>>8231698
It's time for you to give up.

Not involved in programming but I'll agree getting older does suck. Health problems usually come with age; apparently I have a hiatal hernia and for the first time in my life experienced sharp lower abdominal pains, pretty much dead on at 25 years. Also it feels like my libido has been cut by 75%. This all over the last 4 months or so. Could be an underlying health problem(I have been to the doctor multiple times, in the end they have found nothing and I've been slapped with IBS), but probably related to maturity, and realizing that has put me in a bit of a melancholy mood lately.

All I can say to you younger people is to learn your programming/other skills while you can do so in relative comfort. And obviously a personal recommendation of eating healthy at least as/before you pass 23, or at least not binging on junk food and soda...

Sorry this is off topic.

i learned fucking japanese, at 25-27 while being 100% NEET, you can learn programming.

>>8231754

This is like the "you can be president" crap I got handed in school. If they would have spent half as much time telling me I'm shit but teaching me useful lifeskills I'd have a dead end job at a factory now instead of sitting at home hoping my dad outlives me.

Fact is, we're not all winners. And some people are going to be left behind.

>>8231698
If you're talking about programming, then I'd judge that learning required skills by yourself would require a lot of time and dedication. You see, programming is a pretty diverse field. Even though learning basic things such as data types, control structures and language syntax seems like a tall wall for beginners, this is barely 5% of what you need to know to be successful as programmer/software architect/engineer/whatever. You only start learning useful stuff after that, and as >>8231541 pointed out, you won't lack occupation even after mastering the basics.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't try, however. You'll just have to be prepared for a somewhat steep learning curve, as many concepts in computer science are more easily taught by question/answer sessions than by reading books.

>>8231754
But depression and the lethargy that comes with it make that impossible.

>>8231754
I wish I was you. I keep trying my luck with kanji, but every time I hit around 200, I lose motivation and start pursuing other interests.

so where do you guys learn the interesting stuff? I did 2 courses in Java in university, last thing I had to do there was programming threads and minor guis... some alarm-clock using JProgressbar and stuff like that...

where do I go from here?

I used C++ for around a year till I got bored of it cause memorizing every fucking code or plotting down on a piece of paper or have it on 20 pages of Word was tedious. I started practicing on visual design for people that do programming and I swear its more easier and fun and I can have more imagination in my work than typing a century long code.

Can you actually make money in freelance coding? I remember one /jp/edo a while back saying he did it and made out pretty well, but whenever I look at those rent-a-coder sites or whatever it seems like it's just people from 3rd world countries underbidding everyone, and I don't know how I'd compete with that. I definitely don't want to be working for a dollar an hour or whatever.

>>8231802
Move to a third world country and underbid THEM.

Otherwise you're pretty much fucked on that. Like forex, just becuase one guy didn't lose it all doesn't mean you'll be the next success story.

>>8231799
People normally use languages that do not require as much cruft as C++ for prototyping. Or even for production code, if speed doesn't play much of a role. Honestly, C++ is horrible, as pretty much everyone who had the pleasure of using it will testify.

>>8231796
Hook up some databases to your application, or get into GUI programming. Whatever floats your boat, and is of interest to you. For example, I wrote a websight application to plan my Fire Emblem teams back in the day. Sure, it was horrible, but you learn by actually doing stuff.

>>8231802
Third-world coders are "coders" just in name, from what I understand.
Try to get enough jobs to impress the people renting with your higher professional and communication skills, and it should get better.
But working for cheap/free is often the first step in any kind of freelance work.

Python is fucking terrible.

>>8231410
Switch to Octave

>>8231839
But its good for learning... I'm actually learning now as opposed to C++

>>8231818
Unfortuneatly C++ is the standard in many places where you want to get a job. Even in vidya C++ is dominant.

>>8231839
Back to /prague/ with you, ``please''!

>>8231845
I can say the exact opposite.

Python is a mess.

>>8231859
Why do people even care about this book? Did it become a meme for any particular reason?

Got accepted by my local university today. Not the best of the world, but it works I guess. Classes start in February. I'm taking CS, so programming is a must, but it's not on the first semester. Initial classes are Discrete Mathematics, Calculus I, Programming Logic, Introduction to Computing, and a special talk on the Internet and its impacts on Society, focusing on social media (apparently I'm expected to have twitter and facebook, "all young people have that", ugh). What do you guys think?

>>8231850
I have worked for three years in different companies, and all of them were using either Java or C#. I wouldn't take a job that requires me to write code in C++. I value my sanity.

>>8231862
It's actually a really good book. Please don't assume it's a "troll" or whatever just because it's a meme (I hate it when people do that). Go read it:
http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html

>>8231850
I'll give you a year till you get fed up with it.

>>8231845
If you want to learn real programming, learn C, and learn it well.
You may think you're learning to do useful stuff now, but starting with something like Python will fuck you over in the long run.

>>8231864
Sounds like a well-rounded program. Even if you're a failure at programming, you might still score a goob job just by the virtue of having a decent degree.

>>8231868
This book is overhyped and useless for non-Scheme programmers. The obscure and non-intuitive syntax(with plenty of parenteheses) of Lisp + heavy abuse of recursion means people learn bad coding habits. If you want to learn practical programming use a book suited to your language of choice, or a language reference/manual.

>>8231872
I can testify that this is false. Besides, programming language, in the end, is only syntax. Advanced programmers chose the tool most suited to their needs, not based on syntax.

>>8231891
>Besides, programming language, in the end, is only syntax
You're not even a programmer. Stop pretending

I've been a NEET for a year now and I have a horrible procrastination/motivation habit. Removing myself from Steam/IRC/VoIP has given me *some* motivation that I've used to begin learning C++. Just to test said motivation. I'm trying to complete this:

http://newdata.box.sk/bx/c/index.htm

...in 21 days. I know those "Learn X in Y Days" books are usually shit, but this one has been recommended to me by a few, and I don't want to give into a 600-page book just yet, due to the aforementioned motivational issues.

Also, I chose C++ for now because I've always found it easier than C, and I have many, many friends that are well acquainted with it and can help me as I go along. Also, lots of libre software I use is written on C++.

Best of luck to you, /jp/, from somebody who rarely visits your board.

>>8231897
I feel slightly offended that you have so easily seen through my clever guise.

I'm not autistic enough to enjoy programming. I tried to get into it a handful of times but always quit after one or two days.

>>8231900
Why are you being an imposter?

>>8231897
I've been programming for 4 years. Your move.

>>8231909
If you think the design of a programming language is all syntax, you're not an actual programmer.

>>8231907
WE're all autistic here, we just don't play our autism in browsing/posting to anything productive. We just need something to get us off this hell.

>>8231911
Do you come fresh out of university, eager to wage war with me over how my post was worded out of some religious zeal?

>>8231914
Stop trying to back pedal. You say all there is to a programming language is it's syntax. And I went to university for engineering, not CS

You're never too old to learn something new, you just need the motivation.

>>8231921

Where can I get some of that shit?

>>8231660 and people half my age have accomplished a lot more.
This is probably the most depressing thing.

>>8231918
No, I still stand by what I said earlier. I have a CS degree, though.

I've been working on open source projects, trying to get a Firefox patch in right now too.

I've really come to like JavaScript more as I've been fiddling around with different projects and to dislike C++, especially any Netscape related code, ugh.

Also working on personal game projects to get better programming practice and portfolio work.

>>8231918
The algorithm and design are kings. Syntax and language choice actually play a very small part of making an efficient program. You are definitely correct.

You hardly ever get to choose the language you are working in unless you are working alone or the senior dev+high level manager.

Languages are almost always chosen for corporate or compatibility reasons that have nothing to do with syntax or paradigms, so I don't get all this language fanboy crap. If syntax was the only thing that mattered C++ and C would be dead. If elegance was what mattered Java and PHP wouldn't exist.

>>8231928
That's funny. The more I use JavaScript, the more I come to hate it.

>>8231929
How about you go fuck yourself? Your kind aren't wanted here.

>>8231925
So if you were to write some code to accomplish the same task in C, Scheme, and Java, the design of your program would be the exact same? The only difference would be the syntax?

That's what you were implying, and that's retarded.

>>8231881
Actually, I've programmed a bit in HS, learned C (never really got that pointer stuff though) and Python (my teacher loved it but I don't really use it a lot). Only learned things like Dijkstra's algorithm and other weird shit I don't think I'll ever use. Guess I've got lucky, since this uni seems nice and it's rather easy to get in. I did a quick translation of the complete program, I'd love if someone rated it for me (since half of those names are alien to me it might sound weird): https://privatepaste.com/ee7a3ddef6

>>8231937
Well, that depend on what you consider to be design. From a technical standpoint, you'd have to work with whatever was given to you, and meld the the things that do not fit into your plans to accommodate. Even so, if you were to read a file, your program will end up, in some way or another, calling a kernel routine to open the file, read the file, and process the contents. How the call is abstracted depends on the language, and I consider this syntax.

>>8231933
To each his own. What do you hate about it though?

The only thing I really dislike is vendor prefixes, the possible confusion over the "this" keyword (so much that you need extra variables saying "var that = this;", and the fact that assigning a variable without var can go into global scope very easily without anyone finding out where for weeks.

I do like the concepts of closures, function constructors, functions as first class objects, object literals, optional parameters, anonymous functions, etc... It's really built well for async event based programming.

>>8231922
Wish I could help you anon, I'm still trying to figure that out.

>>8231935
Obviously not since I did SICP in school before I dropped out and still see why Scheme is not the perfect solution for everything.

I've been working on this project for an year or so, and once finished it should help me organize all of my porn.
Over 20k lines of code (java) from scratch.

>>8231952
SICP isn't about Scheme, it just happens to contain examples written in Scheme. If you didn't realize this before, you still have a long way to go before reaching Satori.

>>8231958
This book is overhyped and useless for non-Scheme programmers. The obscure and non-intuitive syntax(with plenty of parenteheses) of Lisp + heavy abuse of recursion means people learn bad coding habits. If you want to learn practical programming use a book suited to your language of choice, or a language reference/manual.

>>8231961
You already said that, you fag.

>>8231957
That looks nice. Hand over dem sources, man!

The two "best" kind of /jp/ threads in one!

>>8231839
get out Stallman

>>8231957
Just use picasa 3

>>8231957
Sounds kind of pointless.

Unless it nabs data from mugimugi, then it'd actually be pretty slick

well I have self teched myself basic OpenGL
At the moment I got 2 spinning cubes in space. O and the cubes have kanji on them.
But It's pretty lame because I fist coded when I was 11 and now 10 years latter I'm still not the big shot ;_; though I am better in Embedded C

>>8231965-8231972 will never be expert programmers.

>>8231965
it's on googlecode.

>>8231968
tried it, it's terrible.

>>8231972
i already wrote a plugin for that, it works fine even if the api is poorly documented.

>>8231958
I know what SICP is about, but that doesn't make lisp the perfect language like /prog/ and /jp/ seem to think. Lets forget about how Common Lisp feels about it too.

Many of the long winded explanations are dated ways of proving things that many other languages do now in more concise streamlined ways, and a novice is going to figure out how to build and use it from the book, not understand all of the implications it has because they have zero reference.
I will counter that if you believe doing SICP has placed you closer than anyone who hasn't automatically, you are much further than anyone else. Not even to mention that a good half of the people who tell you to read it never really finished the whole thing themselves.
It's almost like Knuth in that regard.

SICP is a tool that you get much more out of if you programmed before rather than an intro to programming.

Which is the best compiler for C++?

>>8231986
That's pretty rad.

>>8231994
Link or at least some keyword?

>>8232001
g++. Microsoft's compiler (VC++?) is good too, but obviously it only supports Windows. Just make sure you stick to the spec and use portable makefiles.

>>8231986
>Commenting your code in German
Why?

>>8232008
Because he's german?

>>8232003
doujindb

It's still work in progress. Expect errors/bugs/loss of data.

>>8231986
>incoming games

>>8232008
becauz I am from the German speaking part of Switzerland

>>8232010
Even worse, since in Germany they teach English quite soon. You should always comment your code in English. Heck, Torvalds is Finnish and he commented Linux in English. Lua is brazilian and is commented in English.

>>8232017
Oh, I see. I guess they teach you guys French or Italian as a second language, so not mastering English is understandable. Do consider commenting code you plan on making public in English. It's painful to get nice programs to fiddle with, only to find them commented in Spanish/Japanese/Russian.

>>8231897
Allocating memory to pass arrays to other methods and then making other methods for deallocating is not "real" programming, if that's what you are implying.

Python is fine, I don't think really think you are a programmer either, so you can drop the elitist act.

>>8231891
>Advanced programmers chose the tool most suited to their needs, not based on syntax.
This.

>>8232022
It's only a program I put together so I could try out stuff. Mostly I comment in English though.

>>8232048
What if the tool most suited to their current neet is APL or something as arcane?

>>8232057
Something's wrong with APL?

>>8232069
Too abstract. Ridiculously hard to read unless you've mastered it.

>>8232079
Then don't use it, unless you are forced to.

I've been reading The Art of Unix Programming. I rather like it, and it's available for free legally, too.

I need to start writing something so I have stuff to show recruiters when they ask to see a code sample.
I have no idea where to start.
Why do I even try...
Please help me.

>>8232130
I like this book too! It's a shame the principles are lost a little in most modern systems (GNU in particular). But that's okay, because you can still do things the UNIXy way.

>>8232255
Well, there's still usable UNIX-way software, such as BSD operating systems and the suckless tools. But, as a programming philosophy, it really shines. It single-handedly has helped me make better things without forcing me to learn even a single new algorithm.

Java, C#, Python, all of these languages are shit.
Sun (now Oracle), Microsatan, Google, they're the reason these are so popular.
And god, do they suck.
It's the corporations, man. I'm telling you. Don't surprise yourself when they find out JRE has a NSA backdoor.
I'll stick to my C programming language created by and for neckbeards, thank you very much. If you have a brain, you should do the same thing.

>>8232281
Well even contemporary BSD software suffers from most of the same problems as GNU. Rob Pike and Brian Kernighan wrote some paper about it, I think it was called "Program design in the UNIX environment" or something.
The cleanest, nicest tools I've ever used and toyed with the source of are Plan 9's and the Heirloom Project's. Both are just regular, ANSI C self-contained programs with no dependencies beyond the standard library; no annoying macros to get it to run on systems it should natively compile on anyway; and no autotools--just regular makefiles. It's a shame they're not very popular because people have sort of become dependent on what GNU and the BSDs offer.
I do love suckless though. They're really bringing these ideas back into the limelight, and they have my full support.

Gonna finish up my game in the next couple of days. Hopefully gonna win an Xbox 3shitty, I think we have a good chance.

>>8232306
Yeah, but I don't think Plan9 isn't usable on a day to day basis. These UNIX-style utilities certainly are nice, but enterprise logic ruins the design in order to add features features features features. The clusterfuck that is the Linux Kernel makes that clear. I guess that elegance isn't a priority of the Average Joe.

Sorry to be that guy, but can any of you motivate me to stay as a NEET? /jp/ has really helped me accept myself as wanting to remain a NEET, but I mentioned it on some other boards and they were mean and made me feel bad.

Also how do you guys stay focused? I've read the first 100 pages of K&R like six times over in bursts, but I don't seem to absorb the information. I think my capacity to learn has just died.

>>8232393
You can certainly use tools from it though! Look up Plan 9 from Userbase and I think suckless had their own fork called 9base. There's also a project called Glendix which is basically the Plan 9 userspace atop the Linux kernel.

>>8232402
Neet are scum. The other boards are correct. Stop being a waste of life and resources.

>>8232412
I'm sorry ;_;

>>8232402
Come live with me and be my meido. You can watch me be a neet and fill with envy.

>>8232402
I seriously doubt anyone (except maybe /a/ autists that have just watched Higashi no Eden) thinks being a NEET is a good thing.

>>8232402
Do you really want to be NEET or do you just want to be part of the cool kids club on /jp/?

>>8232406
Interesting. I'm going to get 9base and rc tomorrow, it should be fun and enlightening..

>>8232426
What are you talking about? I fucking love it.

>>8232434
Either way the result is the same. Having an unhealthy man's dick in your mouth.

>>8232426
Being a NEET is only good if you have money.

>>8233703
>>8232426
This is what normalfags actually believe.

>>8233723
It's easier to antagonize people instead of actually acknowledging one's shortcomings, isn't it?

>>8233723
You might want to talk with roriaki if you think that. Anyway you're just an edgy kid looking for confirmation on the internet so feel free to spout memes and call "normalfags" to your heart's content.

>>8233703
It's not like most of us have a choice to be anything but.
For the majority of past, oh, 4 years or so, I've had the equivalent of about 15 dollars a month of personal spending money, and nothing but internet and bare necessities was provided.
Now I don't even get that money.

>>8233762
Well, shit man, how are you paying for the internet and electricity and neccessities now?

>>8233789
Nah, those are still provided - it's just that I don't get to buy anything else.
And seeing as most of the little money I received before went to keeping this pc running, things might turn worse if something breaks again.
If I didn't have internet I don't know what I'd do.
Well, I guess I do.

Sometimes when I see how depressed a lot of people are in these threads I feel like I'm the only one content and happy still being NEET after all these years. What happened to the rest of you?

>>8233814
Well I don't really see why happy people would be discussing depression.

>>8233821
It's a NEET general thread. All I see are depressed people. These kinds of threads have all been taking this course of action lately.

>>8233839
Programming/NEET general, actually. Yes there is a difference.

>>8233848
Programming depresses people? Not really understanding what you're getting at here.

You know that feeling when you have a great idea, and everything works perfectly when you implement it? Like, a stroke of inspiration. That just happened, so my programming is going well.

>>8233852
Oh, uh. Just saying we can discuss programming as well. Err.. yeah. Please don't kill me

>>8233860
What are you working on, Anonymous?

>>8233852
Well programming definitely is a depressing thing, yes.

>>8233860
What did you create, anon?

I had a good idea but I never worked on it. I decided that this time I am going to work on whatever comes next. So to prepare I will learn to program. No inspiration yet though.

>>8233865
I don't program, and sarcasm aside I really don't understand how something you create can cause you to become depressed.

>>8233814
I don't get in either. On the one hand, you constantly see NEETs posturing about how their way of life is superior to that of "normals" and how anyone who leaves his room or has a job is the scum of the earth. Yet at the same time, nearly every NEET thread touches on things like suicide, depression, hopelessness, etc.

How can they claim their lifestyle is superior when they obviously hate it themselves? Or are NEETs just whiners and babbies?

>>8233876
It can be quite a frustrating and monotonous task at times. Of course sometimes that's part of the fun. Other times it's downright miserable.

>>8233887
/jp/ isn't one person.
Shocking, I know!

>>8233876
print "Hello World"

There you just learned to program in Python. Now you can join us.

>>8233895
No way! HELLoly Crap!

>>8233887
You NEET who rant about how they're superior are actual NEET. The people whining about it are the 18 year gaylords who are taking a break from their education for a year or so and like to play pretend NEET.

>>8233887
Use the other stupid thread for this discussion.

This one is nominally about programming and has redeeming value.

>>8233898
Stop spreading your stupid FUD and conspiracies. Nobody believes you and you're just stirring up meta drama. Leave us be.

>>8233898
There's another thread for trolling, anon. You aren't going to get anything here.

>>8233903
Fuck off normalfag. Take your programming dickwaving shit back to /g/ and stay there.

>>8233887
I've thought about this a bit. I like to think the people who complain are simply extroverts who either don't know how to keep themselves entertained or have issues stopping them from being with people and so they become depressed. I have no idea how an introverted person could ever have trouble spending all or most of their time alone. It simply does not make sense to me.

I may not be "NEET" since I'm technically employed, but I might as well be since I just sit in my cubicle and surf the interbutts for 7 1/2 hours a day and only do about 30 mins of work a day.

Probably sounds like a pretty sweet deal, until you realize that the paycheck isn't great, my co-workers are complete assholes, the city I live in is a complete ghetto, and my cubicle and entire building is infested with what seems like the entire insect kingdom.

Fuck this. I'm quitting.

Less NEET, more programming!

>>8233903
Go get a job or fuck off to school you neo-NEET faggot.

>>8233915
>>8233912
You aren't even trying anymore. Why bother dude

>>8233908
That would depend on the person, but most introverts require some social interaction.

>>8233917
That guy is right. Why is a NEET general filled with /g/ and /prog/ shit? This board is going down the drain. NEET general is an excuse to post any sort of shit you want since the janitor doesn't even look at these threads. NEET general turns into neo-NEET general where a bunch of 18 year olds talk about getting job skills and their depression.

>>8233924
Don't twist my words around you sexy sly troll, you.

>>8233908
If I had to guess they're just not good at dealing with their feelings. I wouldn't be surprised if half the problem is them blaming themselves because someone else says they're doing something wrong.

As a NEET who is prone to depression and thoughts of suicide, I can say at least in my case it's not the NEET ing that brings these thoughts, but the problems we still can't get away from. Parents, neighbors, health issues. Other stuff like that. I'm pretty sure if we were NEET living by ourselves, you wouldn't hear nearly as much complaining.

However autism bucks isn't enough to live alone on, at least not in the states, and there aren't a whole lot of other things NEETs can do for cash.

>I used to write code, but now I copy and paste it.

Quoting some guy from my course. I agree with him as well. All we've done so far is:
Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V... F5....ok wrong place...esc.....change position.....F5..... fuck black screen, CTRL + ALT + DEL, kill process... restart... change position...

>>8233989
>>>/g/

>>8233989
>I used to write code, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

>>8233989
Why don't you just start from scratch again?

I just finished some interdisciplinary web development filler class to learn MySQL, PHP, databases and such.

I have no idea how advanced this shit is or if it's extremely basic. Here's one of the shitty websites I made for the class as an example of the kind of coding I'm talking about:

http://2007.ispace.ci.fsu.edu/~tar07d/webdev/mysocial/index.php

B-but that would be throwing away all the work I've done until now. All of that copy and pasting took effort, you know. I knew nothing about C++ when we started this, and the tutor wanted us to make a render core and gave us a bunch of examples. Most of them don't work, but if you copy and paste the code into the right position it MIGHT (sort of) work.
I mean sure, the tutor brings out a new, better version of the examples every week, but I've only got 2 days left until the deadline (and we have to write a report for that, too). I can't be bothered copy and pasting all that again.

>>8234085
oh, I meant to quote >>8234045 there, sorry. I'm too used to clicking on someone's post to get the quick reply up, then deleting the quote as I type.

>>8233989
But that's how a lot of development ends up getting done. Unless it's for educational purposes, you shouldn't have to recreate the wheel. That's why libraries exist in the first place. After all, using code that already exists is much faster than creating it yourself and working through those exact same problem sets.

At this point, "Mastered the Art of Google" should be a component of every good programmer's resume.

>>8234078
Oops. You might want to delete that account I just made if other people are still going to be looking at it.

>>8234356
Nah, it's already been graded and the class is over. If I gave a shit about the site I wouldn't post it on 4chan of all places.

I've been reading about Haskell for approximately two weeks now. Started off with Learn You a Haskell, but moved to Real World Haskell instead later, and I'm halfway through chapter 6 right now.

>>8231387
Oh hey, 183 posts later and no one has criticized my dyslexic spelling

>are is

On a side note, wow I'm kind of happy I finally made a thread that got over a 100 replies after all this time. Feels nice.

I have a flashbuilder/mxml application I have to complete in 3 days and Im just about half done. Its not that hard, but eclipse is being an ass sometimes. Its also really fucking slow.

>>8234625

Dont use it then. I use IntelliJ for my java stuff and never had a problem with it.

>>8234625
Eclipse is such a bitch, especially if you have multiple plugins.
I'd really suggest making different eclipse directories for different languages or even specific projects if the project requires a bunch of plugins, don't mix them if you can help it.

I remember I had a test in my functional programming class where we had to use Scala (was brand spanking new so it only had eclipse and a buggy compiler) and I ended up having to redownload and install eclipse during the test. Shit is just wrong.

I'm writing a minecraft server in C out of boredom.

By the way, java is shit.

>>8231942
> learned C (never really got that pointer stuff though)
Then you didn't really learn C. Understanding pointers is crucial to using C effectively.

Fuck all you faggots and your C.
FORTRAN is for real men.

>ctrl-f "netbeans"
>0 results
>wat
Java is kind of crappy tbh. It has some great ideas with shitty implementation. Still, it is good for rapid prototyping (read, doing things quickly, but badly).

When it comes to interpreted languages I have a fondness for PHP. Haskell is nice too, but it has some really weird conventions regarding its Either and Maybe types. When used more purely as a functional language it is quite elegant.

>>8234645
Eclipse is a bloat monster.

I am making a cheat sheet for my java final tomorrow.

I miss doing things in C, although I understand why OOP is better in almost all cases... it's just that feeling of total control that is lacking in java.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a place to start with javascript? I've been avoiding it, but it's getting stupid (ie trying to script things in SVG without it)...

>>8234747
If you want that feeling of control back, but with OOP, why not use C++?

Honestly, I doubt there are even 0.2% of the people here can create anything more complicated than a "hello world" program.

A grand majority of those that visit /jp/ seem to be mentally retarded. And I'll stick by my observation whether or not someone believes I'm included in that group.

>>8234747

>I am making a cheat sheet for my java final tomorrow.

Why would you require such a thing? You're an imbecile.

>>8234759
The cheat sheet I brought into my most recent exam just consisted of all the programs I wrote all semester in size four font.

>>8234769
Why would you need that? APIs are all you really need, and even then most of the common ones (collections framework, some parts of swing etc) are easy enough.

>>8234769

Well, it sounds like people do more rote memorization (and somehow even manage to fail at that) than learning in these classes.

Of course, many people here seem so unmotivated that I wouldn't be surprised if they actually needed the pressure from being in a class to make them do anything at all.

>>8234759
I swear every time I make a cheat sheet I never use it inside the actual exam unless it's API reference.

>>8231445
I still have a month.

speaking of projects popping up out of nowhere. There seems to be a lot of people in that thread about that card mmo.
While I highly doubt it would be worth bothering trying to make a real bot, do you think some simple image comparisons would be enough to catch resized images in flash? Never really tried, but I was thinking it was a good way to try out some AI stuff if I could find a way to reliably read in the game model.

>>8234769
Not really getting what you need a cheat sheet for, especially in a java class. Do they really expect you to memorize a bunch of API calls? We always got algorithm / proof math type problems on tests.

I have a Unix exam Thursday which is basically a bunch of csh scripting, and then a Javascript exam on Monday. Javascript is pretty easy to familiarize myself with, but I can feel it in my bones that doing anything spectacular in it is just a huge bullshit timesink or badness. Oh well.

I want to be NEET so fucking BAD
FUCK

>>8234778
Many computer science majors don't really have any interest in programming. They chose CS because they thought themselves familiar with computers and that it would be an easy degree. Then they fail every class.

Its no surprise that the algorithm and automata theory classes of any CS department at any university have huge failure rates.

>>8234799
Wrong thread. This one is for making love to your computer.

>>8234802
I did the same thing and those were my favorite classes up with compiler design and operating systems.

I've always regretted not majoring in math after that but what does it matter, I'd still be here making plugins for porn games and grinding out on MMOs. I went for a job interview once and they told me they just wanted a normal c# programmer, not an autist I guess I should get around to applying to Facebook next year since they are the only place that welcomes that type but I don't user their product so that wouldn't work well.

We should make a /jp/ study group and help each other learn programming.

>>8234856
A big part of learning programming is to program a bunch. A /jp/ study group will just discussing dicks, which i_am_ok_with_this.jpg but that will not do much to help people learn programming.

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>>8234802
Algorithms was my favorite class and the only assignment I did the past 4 months. Better start doing the shit I left out or I won't be able to graduate until September.

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