/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Lossless albums:
Ar tonelico Music Collection Torrent: http://www.bakabt.com/153236-ar-tonelico-music-collection.html
All tracks are encoded in FLAC format and include scans of covers and booklets. Torrent does not include AT3's Drama and Hymmnos Musical discs.

Alternative set of torrents:
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

CADENA ~Atelier Series Jazz Arrange Album Featuring Mami Horie Vol.1~
http://www.sonixgvn.net/2011/06/cadena-atelier-series-jazz-arrange.html

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Mediafire Folder of Ar tonelico goodies:
http://www.mediafire.com/?rddbnsio6dayi

Contents:
- AT1-3 OST, Hymmnos Concerts
- AT1-2 Drama CDs, Hymmnos Musicals
- Utau Oka ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~ (Album)
- AT3 Artbook
- Offline AT2 Flash Cosmospheres
- AT3 Yokkora fan disc

* Original /jp/ content:
-- originspuke.jpg
-- Vectors of Install Points (.png and .svg)
-- Misc. Ar tonelico Vectors
-- No-fun-allowed Raki

NISA Holiday Sale
http://www.nisamerica.com/index.php?nav=n&article=pbomb/PrinnyBomb_Vol184.html

Shikata Akiko Matsuri @ GUST Shop - until Jan 1st 2012
- Order a Shikata Akiko CD and receive a printed score of EXEC_CHRONICLE_KEY
(No intl. shipping, requres you to use a proxy delivery service)
http://shop.salburg.com/product/sikata_fes_2011/


Upcoming releases:

Hyperdimenson Neptunia Mk. II - Feb. 24th 2012
http://t.co/uJo8njtM

Atelier Meruru - Spring 2012
http://www.nisamerica.com/index.php?nav=n&article=pbomb/PrinnyBomb_Vol179.html

Impending "End of the World as we know it":
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/07/tecmo-koei-purchases-atelier-series-developer-gust/
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/07/tecmo-koei-to-develop-social-games-based-on-gusts-atelier-serie
s/

So how bad is Tecmo? How often do they buy companies and kill franchises?

And since the images so far were Atelier heavy, have some Hnnnnnng-Frame.

On a different note: If the person who's maintaining the Mediafire folder is still around, mind adding the Totori GIFs?

New thread, yay!

Does anyone know if the grammar rules for Hymmnos over at conlang are worth anything or I am wasting my time learning from there?

>>8213527
The only franchise I really cared from them was Monster Rancher and they've all but given up on it.

I suppose I'd like to give Fatal Frame a try, but I'm really skittish when it comes to horror games.

>>8213544

The conlang wiki is your best resource for Hymnos, unless you know Japanese and want to read all the settei books.

As far as I know, the main contributor (Aquagon) is the same person who also translated a lot of the English Hymnos song lyrics and quite knowledgeable when it comes to the language.

>>8213527

They treated their primary internal development studio so bad they got sued, and lost.

Warriors has some good games, but it's easy to do that when you shit out three a year and it's a straightforward action game. There's no way you can do that with alchemy.

About the only way this turns out good is if they let Gust (and maybe Ruby Party) and NO ONE ELSE at the company touch it.

>new Atelier social game in development

NOPE.jpg

The KOEI/TECMO thing was just Gust trying to get some grounds for a MMO. KOEI is the publisher of the Atelier games in Japan iirc.

in b4 Sangoku Totori/Atelier Musou announced.

>>8213814

Featuring Lu Bu as the strongest vanguard.

Shit, did we really fill up the last thread in six days when the one before lasted 2-3 weeks?

>>8213829
>>8213814
Maybe Koei can donate their tech and expertise to make the game actually look like a modern RPG.
Dreaming the impossible dream.

>>8213844
We did have some rapid fire discussions going on which naturally pumps the post count. Not to mention the news about the acquisition.

>>8213533
I'm still here. Both GIFs have been uploaded to the mediafire share.

Coming from a guy who NEVER plays MMOs and social shit, i can't see anything interesting coming from this.
But they'll probably come back to the typical Atelier games once the MMO project fails. I hope it's not too late by then.

I have to admit, I would buy the SHIT out of a Dynasty Warriors game that lets me play as Croix and go around MAXIMUM PENETRATION-ing dozens of mooks at once.

The real question is how would they handle reyvateils in a DW game

>>8214858
Or Aoto's weird sword drill.

>>8214879
Well the AT3 vanguards already play like a DW characters anyway...

I SMELL A CONSPIRACY.

C. O. N. ...SPIRACY

I would play the hell out of a Aterlier MMO. Is that what they mean by social game?

>>8214911
I think they mean Atelier Farmville.

>>8214923
I would get a facebook for that.

>>8213814
On this, anybody have the Atelier Musou pic?

>>8215034
You could go look in the old thread that's still alive at this point in time you'll find it.
But here it is anyway: >>8202762

>>8214858
Thanks, I now just pictured playing as Raki and cutting a path of destruction through swarms of Grand Bell Knights or Poms and am now depressed because it will never happen

>>8215369
You were just thinking "It might be okay to whore out gust characters shamelessly if it's in mindless games only" weren't you?

>>8215379
A little, but I love slaughtering me some mooks as overpowered characters, and DW is THE mook slaughterer simulator series.

And don't tell me you wouldn't like a game where you can play as Lyner and coop with someone playing Croix and team up to beat on Aoto

this looks interesting, where are the atelier torrents a...
>ps3
well fuck

>>8215403
I was daydreaming what it'd be like if Totori or Rorona joined the ranks of Dead or Alive.

I don't know what to feel.

>Gust Warriors

My top favorite characters from Gust franchises making cameos would be pretty unlikely. ;_;

Except maybe Rorona, AKA the only Atelier character that's really stuck with me as a favorite.

>>8215456

Ugly faces, if DOA5's art style is any indication.

Team Ninja just haven't had the best track record since Itagaki left, have they?

I could see all of this working in a more tactical mindset like Romance of the Three Kingdoms with alchemists and whatnot.

>>8215999
didn't itagaki throw a temper tantrum and leave?

Is there any way to fix this kind of graphical error?

>>8216603
Make sure you're using the native resolution in your graphics settings.

>>8214954
There is absolutely nothing that would make me get a facebook account. joining the hive is like selling yourself into stupidity slavery. I don't really want Atelier to end up a tool for that either.

>>8213623
>Aquagon

The guy literally knows just about everything when it comes to ar tonelico. I don't normally kiss ass, but I'm pretty damn grateful for him headstarting all the ar tonelico material for us.

>>8215415

Time to get one, Anonymous. PS3 actually has games now.

http://store.nisamerica.com/Neptunia2-PS3-Limited-Premium-Box

Looks like the cards aren't so limited this time.

So I started playing Atelier Rorona today and I prefer the english dub

>>8218203

>>8218193
You know, I've convinced myself for years that I'll never bother buying a limited edition version of games coincidentally, except the first Neptunia, because I found it for the same price as the regular game
But... I am willing to buy that. No regrets.

>>8218193

Thanks for the heads-up, it's time to throw money at the monitor.

>>8218193
Put my order in last night. I can't remember the last time I didn't buy a special/collector's/limited edition. Fuck my asian blood but I just can't help getting them - even for crap I don't like.

Hopefully the white in me takes over and I lose interest in them before I move out east or I might end up living in a cardboard box...

>>8218318
>time to throw money at the monitor
My money has been thrown.
Time to sit in my cold room without food or heat for 2 months and wait...

>>8218193
>An error occurred while processing your credit card. Please contact the merchant for further assistance.

What the hell. Same thing happened with Totori.

>>8218203
Get out.

>>8218630
...but the English dub for Rorona AND Totori is quite enjoyable. In fact, it's by far less annoying that the Japanese one.

>>8218943
There are no good English JRPG dubs. Stop joking around.

Aren't social games in Japan an entirely different beast than western social games?
Like, for example, aren't they actually games?

>>8218957
>I think something in general sucks by default because it's some of it sucks!

You'd be surprised how many dubs out there are quite good.

>>8218943
You get out too, moron.

NISA dubs are pretty shit. They cut corners and don't even have the same amount of voiced lines as the original versions.

Don't know how people can tolerate that.

>>8218943
If you find the voices annoying you shouldn't be playing the game you dumbass faggot. No fucking excuses. Go fuck off to /v/.

I didn't notice any cut lines in Totori (switched to Japanese voices a few times on unvoiced English parts) and I think the English voices fit the characters a lot better, considering the setting in general.

Also, dat PREPARE YOURSELF!

>>8219108
Create items more and trigger character events more. You'll notice the lack of voice.

They did the same bull with Rorona too.

>>8218943 is quite enjoyable.
Your shitty tastes are of no interest to me.
>In fact
Nope.

Get out.

>>8219136
I don't mind the missing voices then, if it's just that. See previous posts for the reasons.

I'll go as fast as saying that not everything HAS to be voiced, especially when it's just stuff like some of the synthesis scenes. Non-voiced story parts is a no-no, obviously.
...I would have liked some more voiced Filly though, so much HNNNG.

Anyway, I guess I'll leave this to die, since the STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE crew got too strong over the last few threads.

/jp/ blindly hates english voices?
I thought you guys were better than that, honestly.

>>8219158
No. Learn the difference already.

Halfassed dubs like what NISA does = shit.

Amazing dubs like what Working Designs did = just fine. They would even dub the OP songs vocal songs and they sounded fantastic.

>>8219158
There's nothing wrong with preferring the superior original product.

>>8219166
But they're both the same. There's nothing amazing with Working Designs' dubs, by the way.

>>8219158
It's not the original, therefore it's shit, it's just common sense and has been proved experimentally countless of times..

>>8219166
NISA dubs are great.
The only reason I can think of why you dont like is hearing the sometimes cheesy dialog in your own language.

They higher top notch VAs for the most part - even VAs who work in various other American gams/shows. And the voice work for both Rorona and Totori were amazing.

>>8219193
Are you fucking seriously implying that someone should replace hearing Eri Kitamura and Nazuka Kaori for some shitty american VA?
If so, get out and never come back.

>>8219233
Hence "/jp/ blindly haets dubs?".
You can prefer one to the other, but blindly saying shit like that is retarded.

Yes, both their VAs are amazing. Surprisingly cute without being cringe worthy, filled with talent and emotion and able to sound natural all the time. They also fit the girls perfectly.

Just ignore the blind dub hater for fucks sake. I'm playing Rorona right this minute and the japanese acting sucks. Rorona is overacted too much, Sterk's voice is ridiculously deep, Cory is so typecast and boring she sounds like every tsundere I've ever heard, cook boy is fine though.

>>8219255
I doesn't fucking matter if it sounds good to you or objectively, it's just not the fucking same, I want to get the REAL experience that the developers meant to give, not something butchered by others.

>>8219283
Then go ahead and play whatever works for you.
It's not butchered. You just prefer the JP voices better.

Don't hate it blindly and look stupid.

>>8219295
>>8219268
You people definitely don't belong here

>>8219296
That's a good thing

>>8219296
It's you who doesn't belong.

>>8219304
It's you who doesn't belong.

>>8219296
Why, because I can enjoy both subs and dubs?

>>8219314
It's you who doesn't belong.

>>8219454
It's you who doesn't belong.

>>8219166
>NISA dubs
>shit
Did you get hit with the stupid stick? They do some of the best dubs around.

Hey guys!

Allow me tell you about this funny thing they call "personal preference". See, some people prefer the English Dub, others prefer the Japanese dub. Either way, none of this should affect either of you, since someone else using and liking a dub that differs from your own preference does not affect you at all; you listen to your thing and let the other person listen to their thing.

Now, how about we all sit down for a moment, take a big breath, listen to EXEC_EP=NOVA and learn a thing or two from the lyrics?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltn7Lq5gLYs

>>8219482
Tsk, Hymmnos, my only weakness.
Fine.

Christ, the portraits are so blurred in the PSP version of Mana Khemia 1.

Hey guys, Atelier Totori question here. If Totori wins the fishing festival, what determines who she talks to afterwards? I got Gino first time, but I want to see Mimi's reaction.

>>8219482
I'll be content as long as they admit that their preference is wrong.

>>8219780

You sure are hung up about this.

English dubs are usually bad not because they're dubs, but because they're American English.
This kind of girls are filled with teenage girls, and teenage girls sound retarded with an American accent.

>>8219482
>"personal preference" [..] does not affect you at all
This is false, it can indirectly affect you for things like: whether a company decides to release dual audio tracks.


I don't really like seeing things end on "Well that's just my opinion/preference, man", used like an excuse.

Preferences aren't necessarily wrong or right(we aren't arguing that you didn't enjoy his/her acting), but there is such a thing as an opinion without credentials. Or rather, the backing behind preferences are questionable.

Usually, preferences are backed by the quantification of quality. Everything is quantifiable, in different ways, the problem we have with that is:
1)There isn't enough information
2)Perception of quality is relative

Then we still need to concern ourselves with biases, and fallacies
Did he condition himself reject JPN VAs because he wants to avoid guilt by association? (weeaboos)
Does he reject ENG VAs because JPN VAs has a more competitive stage and thus are all better by default?

We question you on how you reached that preference. Granted it's too much work to do meaningful analysis(something both sides can understand), so we call it a day with "You have shit taste."

Next time, let's cover the topic of "Is this game fun?"

Haven't posted in 8 hours, and I come back to this?

The dubs were awful at worst and barely mediocre at best. Overall, they're shit compared to the subs, like 98% of all dubs. You dub lovers sicken me.

>>8220075
>Complains about a thread becoming a crapstorm
>Decides to perpetuate it

>>8220084
Because one's own thoughts means nothing, right?

I like FF12's dub.

>>8220181
That and ZoE2's are the only dubs I've liked.

>>8220130
Not when it adds to the stupid crapstorm.
If someone said 98% of JP VA sucked you'd be telling your mom on him.

>>8220266
But I'm on the right side...

>If someone said 98% of JP VA sucked
But that'd never happen since even /jp/ can't ever be that bad.

>>8219158
Think about where you are, this isn't /v/. Some dubs are okay, in Neptunia's case the VA for Compa was a hell of alot better than the JP VA. It's just there is a very small stable of good VA's and they are re-used in pretty much every NISA game and like someone else has already said, sometimes hearing the corny dialogue in these games in english is just embarassing.

>>8220287
Anyone saying 98% of either JP or ENG VAs suck is wrong.

>>8220318
I just figured /jp/ was more sensible about it. I knew /a/ blindly hated them but I didn't think it swung that way here too.
The pool of VAs they use isn't really that small though. And they get reused in all forms of media constantly.

>>8220325
Really, it's rarely a case of the VAs themselves being bad as it is their directors being totally incompetent. Most of the VAs do really well in high budget things because they're not shuffled in, handed a bunch of lines with little to no context, and do all the recording over a couple days. Anybody would suck ass in that case.

>>8220337
You're right. Anybody would usck in that case. Though, I can't think of too many cases where something like that would apply. Especially recently. Only dubs I can think that standed out for sucking are Star Ocean 4 and Arc Rise Fantasia.

>>8220325
>blindly hated
I think you are just 'blindly' throwing this term out there.
Maybe it would serve you well to define the qualifications of who is ideal to judge how the voices are acted in both languages.

Because:
>>8220318
>this isn't /v/
some of you guys really need to re-check who your samples are.

>>8220325
>is wrong
But that's not wrong. I didn't say 100%, the 2% is there for very, very rare cases of dubs actually being passable or decent. And the point was 98 of dubs being crap and can't match original subs, not that Eng VAs sucks. Though dubs sucking generally is a reflection of their ability, but it's more of can't match the design/image/personality and role that's more of the problem.

NISA dubs, like most dubs, are at that level where you'll wind up liking whichever version you're exposed to first. Do a full playthrough on either language track, then change it, and you'll most likely be equally annoyed by the difference no matter which direction you went.

My favorite comparison to use here is how back in high school when I worked on a school musical and then listened to the original broadway cast recording of the same show, I'd hate it. Obviously my school's version of the play was not objectively superior to the broadway version, but after several months of exposure to it my school's version felt like the "right" version to me, so I liked it better.

In terms of objective quality dubs tend to only be clearly terrible when handled by a company that exclusively does kids shows (ie 4kids) or when the source material is full of Japanese culture bullshit that's impossible to translate non-awkwardly and tend to only be really good when the setting/style is more western (ie Black Lagoon.)

Personally, I play my vidya in English and watch my animu in Japanese, even when given the option to do otherwise, because that's how I choose to roll.

>>8220412
If people spewing around words like "all dubs suck" and "98% of dubs suck" isn't blind hate then I don't know what is.
Laura Bailey or Troy Baker are two examples of exceptional English VAs. Tomokazu Sugita and Kugimiya Rie are two examples of exceptional JP VAs. The list goes on for both.

>>8220415
No it's not a very very rare case. You just don't like them.

Could you guys just fuck off back to /a/ or /v/ or wherever you come from already? It's a Gust thread, not a MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES ARE GREAT LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THEM thread. Fuck.

Is Atelier Annie any good?

>>8220537
I need to finish going through the Iris series before I can form a decent objective opinion of it, but I feel that the characters form the better part of the game. The synthesis and combat system is rather rudimentary (combat in particular is rather... unintuitive) and your personal cash flow can be rather uneven. At the moment, I'd say it's worth playing if you've got nothing else to work on but it isn't something you'll want to be rushing to play.

>>8220575
Yeah I heard Annie focuses less on combat and more on monay making.

>>8220496

>NISA dubs, like most dubs, are at that level where you'll wind up liking whichever version you're exposed to first. Do a full playthrough on either language track, then change it, and you'll most likely be equally annoyed by the difference no matter which direction you went.

This is stupid.

Most R1 dubs for anime and niche Japanese games have some serious flaws that I can list off right now.

1. The voice actors are not in the studio together when they record. If you listen, you can definitely tell. The characters aren't bouncing lines off of each other. They're talking to a microphone.

2. There are a handful of decent R1 VAs, and another handful that are hit and miss, but most of them range from C quality to D quality. Notice that the majority of those familiar names never show up in high budget projects except maybe as background characters? There's a very good reason for that. They lack range. They can't strongly portray the spectrum of emotions, and they don't have a dozen different voices. Lucy Christian is Lucy Christian is Lucy Christian. And when most of them try to do the high pitched thing... forget about it.

By comparison, familiar Japanese VAs like Jun Fukuyama, Yui Horie, and Kanae Itou can throw their voices all over the place, to the point where you won't even recognize them. Even the ones that keep an unmistakable and instantly recognizable sound, like Chiwa Saito or Aya Hirano, can traverse the spectrum of emotions and personality types without a missing a beat.

3. The directors themselves are just as bad as the VAs. Character is enthusiastic? YELL HIS OR HER LINES AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS. Japanese honorifics? Keep them. In your ENGLISH LANGUAGE DUB.

Even with their top projects back when they had 2 full isles, both sides, dedicated their products in Best Buy, these problems persisted.

What DLC is worth buying for Hyperdimension Neptunia?
All of it?

>>8220631

Also-

>being annoyed by the Japanese voices after watching the dub

Unless one is just inherently annoyed by Japanese voice overs, this doesn't happen.

It'll sound a little weird, but "oh god, make it stop, what the hell are they doing to my favorite characters" is an unusual reaction.

>>8220634
I regrettably bought those level cap DLC and never used them, since well, you'll never need to use them.

>Personally, I play my vidya in English and watch my animu in Japanese, even when given the option to do otherwise, because that's how I choose to roll.
That's how I roll aswell. I don't like playing video games in a foreign language, period.
>>8220516
/jp/ was the one who made this an issue. That's autism for you.

>>8220684
This thread is on /jp/ in case you haven't noticed.

>>8220631
1. That's complete bullshit and you just being paranoid because you don't like them. They're very clearly talking to each other. There are even various pictures and videos studios take that disprove this.

2. A lot of them show up in high budget projects for western media as well. Troy Baker, Laura Bailey, Erin Fitzgerald, Liam O'Brien, Johnny Bong Bosch, Yuri Lowenthal, Tara Strong and Steve Blum are examples. Some have incredible range and some have few ranges but do those voices extremely well.

3. Yeah, no. Complaining about Japanese honorifics? Game wise, only Persona 3 and 4 do this. Anime wise it usually is a problem but a lot of anime that do it usually have lame dubs. And the first part is a generalization - a pretty stupid one too.

>>8220706

>There are even various pictures and videos studios take that disprove this.

WELL ITS TIME FOR ME TO PACK UP AND GO HOME, I'VE BEEN DISPROVEN.

Nope, sorry. Most dubs are done with the VAs coming in at different times. Makes for easier schedule management... and an inferior product.

The only exception that I know of for sure is Godannar.

>A lot of them show up in high budget projects for western media as well.

A handful. Working alongside a bunch of terrible and mediocre VAs.

>And the first part is a generalization - a pretty stupid one too.

Except not really.

The R1 anime guys like to point to piracy for all of their woes, but at the end of the day, they brought about their own decline by releasing lazy projects that weren't worth keeping alive. Very few particularly care to go back to how it once was, or care about the fate of Funimation or Bandai's region 1 anime divisions. Nobody feels any particular sense of obligation to them.

To think this all this started because some people got massively asspained from >>8218203's post.

>>8220767
Maybe he should have been more aware of his surroundings.

>>8220577
It's more about completing the various store requests ASAP while juggling the mandatory assignments and keeping both your cash and levels high to be able to gather (some) of the materials from the higher level areas.

IMHO, the combat is just so odd and lacking that it's more of a hindrance than anything else.

>>8220767
Such is life in /jp/

>>8220767
That wasn't the root of it, it was the dub defence force. It woulda ended with a few reaction faces if it wasn't for morons posting about how it's totally cool for dubs to leave lines unvoiced or for actors to have no range because because because they're good anyway!
But no, some people like dubs, so they have to go on about how great they are even when they agree they're worse than the original voices.

Onsokumaru vs Arc
Who is the strongest/blackest?

>>8220640
Is that all you bought?

>>8220809
No, bought all the swimsuits as well.

>>8220782
This post screams "I HATE DUBS AND SO DO YOU" so hard. Grow up seriously.. the root was the japanese VA defense force.

can you all go make a thread bitching about dubs and stop shitting up the GUST thread?

>>8220815
Worth it?

>>8220782
That was the first post in the thread, so that was the root.

>>8220824
Nope, I mean, they do look hot, but the original outfits are better.

>>8220818
But that's what happened. One guy said he liked the dub in spoilers, two people posted reaction faces, and then the shitstorm started because of that tripfag talking about how the dub was better than the original. You think people would have cared if it wasn't for that? It wasn't an argument before that, it was just a joke.

And I don't really have a problem with dubs if they're competent, but those are literally some of the arguments in this thread. There have to be better ways to defend dubs than just acting like problems don't exist.

I wish the whole game was dubbed into hymmnos, without subtitles. I like it raw as can be

>>8220862
If only. We would have a better hymmnos dictionary to work off finally.

>>8220853
Uh no thats not what happened. One person said he uses the dubs, people used spoilertags and that tripfag said its enjoyable and less annoying than the japanese voices. That was his opinion.

Now you can look at the responses to that post and you can tell me who the real defense force is.

>>8220853

The question is-

>shitty VAs with no emotional range or ability to make things sound natural everywhere, even in their highest priority projects
>bad directing, even in their highest priority projects
>VAs not in the studio at the same time to make conversations sound as natural as possible

-how can you defend dubs while acknowledging these flaws?

I'm okay with an inferior product? The few good VAs justify all of the bad ones who are working alongside them in the main cast?

>>8220742
So there is actual proof in videos and pictures that proves you wrong but it magically doesn't just because? 0/10.

>A handful. Working alongside a bunch of terrible and mediocre VAs.
Thats your rebuttal? I just named a bunch of VAs off the top of my head you've probably never heard of. And there's a lot more waiting to be mentioned. This isn't the 80s anymore where dubs sucked.

>Except not really.
Except yeah really. Unless you're talking about 4kids dubs, none of that holds water to more quality stuff.

>>8220873
Because all of those are bullshit?

Well, this is sunday. Not so surprising.

I always facepalm when people say "dubs are bad because they use the same people over and over", because the exact same shit happens with seiyuu.

>English voice actors in dubs
Rejects who failed getting a better job, or in-between jobs.

No one can afford good voice actors for dubs because they are spoiled self-entitled whores.

>Japanese voice actors
Professionals after specific acting school in a very competitive market.

Gee I wonder which are better.

>>8220921
Except there's much more shit made in Japanese than there is dubbed. See the Tales games as a perfect example, in ALL of the games there is only a few cases of the same seiyuu appearing more than once, and even then it's never as two major roles.

I'd prefer no voices throughout the whole game, but since they waste millions of dollars into VAs now days. I'll pick JP voice over NA. just because its harder for me to pick up on horrible voice acting. I am sure its bad in jp too but I can't pick up on the mistakes, which works for me.

>>8220499
>not a very very rare case.
I can't believe there are people who actually believe this.

Has it ever dawned you that people don't like them because they suck? If they didn't...

Japanese dubs are better almost always, it's undeniable when compared.
I'm not saying that english dubs are bad however, the issue is that often the companies translating japanese games can't really afford to hire high quality VAs so they pick shitty cheaper ones.

Japanese: Alright, people like their voices so let's try to put together a good cast for this and make them sound good.

English: Well we can't just ship this off with Japanese voices only so let's grab some English voices and call it a day.

This isn't the 90s retards. Video Game dubs are pretty good and its common for it to be equal or superior to the japanese. Anime is a different story. Even the same actors from an anime tend to do a better job in games, likely because they aren't restricted to lip synching which can fuck up both translations and then in turn voices.

And frankly there are few seiyuu that can match the range of guys like Dave Wittenberg

I think NISA dubs have generally gotten better over the years. AT1's dub is, for the most part, pretty fuckin' bad. AT3's is at least decent, if not good, save for a few bad line reads. Usually a good director can cover for average VA talent, but nothing can mask bad VAs.

>>8221231

Well you'd expect that media would be better done in it's native tongue. I don't expect the same level of care to come from every foreign country.


In any case, I'm pretty surprised how reasonable /jp/ is being about this.

Might as well ask here...
Any news on AT2 retranslation? Do we have a translated/checked %?

>Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
I love you. So much.
Just finished AT3, hadn't even heard of AT games before. Now I want to play the previous ones.
The AT2 torrent claims undub, but is AT1 dubbed? Seeing as it is PS2, I suppose dual-audio wasn't a possibility back then.

>>8221297
It was possible. AT1 is dual audio aside from the cutscenes which have nearly no dialogue anyway, but AT2 had incomplete audio due to filesize limits/lazyness/something nobody's really sure of, so it has an undub with the full Japanese voices.

>>8221297
AT1 and AT2 are both dual audio. The distinction made here is that the AT2's dub track is grossly incomplete (~50-60% voiced compared to the original JPN track) and the Japanese track was trimmed to match.

There's also questionable quality when it comes to AT2's localisation but if you can stomach the first 1-2 phases, you'll be OK for the most part.

>>8221301
I personally believe it was a case of mismanaged time/resources. There is a difference between the editing quality of the final voiced lines and those that weren't, so some effort was obviously made to ensure those spoken lines at least flowed properly.

>>8221297
AT1 has dual audio. Glad you enjoyed AT3, although it would probably have been better if you started from AT1...

>>8221274
I didn't think the Arland trilogy had a bad dub but I still liked the Japanese VAs better. I don't get why people have to shit out their preferences and then argue like it was /v/ in a thread people are meant to take it easy in.

>>8221305
>I don't get why people have to shit out their preferences and then argue like it was /v/ in a thread people are meant to take it easy in.
It's why I generally avoid bringing up the topic anywhere on the internet.
I mean look at this poor thread. Almost 150 posts and we just got this one started two days ago.

>>8221305
>Glad you enjoyed AT3
With dem game mechanics, what was there to not enjoy?
It was a pretty basic/slightly above average JRPG with dem game mechanics. Just a shame Soma didn't have a bigger role.

>>8221378
Thoughts on AT3 in these general threads is that it was a little bit of a let down going off the impressions between AT1 to AT2. The story packed everything good in the last bit compared to the chapter based build up and peaks of AT1 and 2.

And GUST games aren't exactly typical games or appeal to a broad demographic.

>>8221063
If anything, the english voice actor scene is way more competitive. They also have to go to acting school as well. More baseless shit. Nice.

>>8221378
A lot of people hated the pacing of AT3 and the battle system it seemed. I didn't mind really.

>>8221928
Not the guy you're arguing with, but neither of you are backing up any of your claims. Stop being retarded.

>>8218203
So wait. Does it mean I can just buy totori/meruru english version and still choose between japanese/english voices?
It is the same with Neptunias?

>>8218976
Does Japan even use social networks? I heard there was one but its not as prominent as facebook or other variations.

>>8221928 They also have to go to acting school as well.
I've played enough US made and translated games to know that this is not fucking true at all.
You must be one deaf motherfucker.

Or maybe the schools are just as shit as the actors they produce.

>>8221928
Countering baseless arguments with baseless arguments. Classy.

You're probably both right in certain cases. And you're certainly both faggots.

I'm trying to decide if my level of autism is exactly the target for Rorona, or totally wrong.

Namely I'm the kind of player the resets until they get the maximum number of tickets on each wheel spin. Seriously, dragging water to sell to Tiffani at one cole each and making polish powder in singles so I could talk to everyone as much as possible is less irritating.

>>8220742
>Nope, sorry. Most dubs are done with the VAs coming in at different times. Makes for easier schedule management... and an inferior product.
How does it make it inferior? Are you implying that voice actors aren't trained to imagine the line being said to them and how to reply?

>>8222131
>to imagine the line being said to them

Because NISA doesn't have the rights to the jap voices so the VA has absolutely nothing to go by in terms of references for what they are saying.

Which if that was true, it would sort of explain why the dub was so bad and it not being the VA's fault.

>>8222045
Yeah, you choose whether you want English or Japanese in Totori. Meruru isn't out yet and I havne't played Neptunia, but they're almost certainly the same.

>>8222164
So what, they can't read a script and imagine how the other character might sound? Are they only hiring the mentally handicapped for voice acting these days, or are you talking out your ass?

All this arguing is amusing but you do realize it's all pointless since you can switch between English or Japanese voice acting, right? Or are you saying that there shouldn't be an option and we must only have Japanese voices?

>>8222186
> Are they only hiring the mentally handicapped for voice acting these days
Yes

>>8222192
everybody knows that, but they like to argue the fact, that my opinion > your opinion

That's exactly the problem. Localizers say "How hard can voice acting be? It's just reading lines," give the VAs no assistance or guidance about the characters or game, and then act surprised when it turns out shit. It has gotten better since all the backlash in the last decade or so, but it's still usually a low priority for what are typically tiny localization teams that don't have anybody who actually has skills or training in directing like that.

>preferring one voice track over the other

It doesn't matter.

>>8222420
Sounds like loser talk to me.

Man, why is youtube's HD such a joke in comparison.
They should just introduce premium accounts too.

Geez, can't you guys just make a dub/sub thread in /jp/ or /a/ or something and take this crap there and stop crapping up this thread?

>>8222676

This image contains an actual Totori spoiler in case anyone's wondering, so I wouldn't touch it if you haven't fulfilled normal end requirements.

>>8222178
Neptunia has full double voice. Some DLC parts don't have dubbing, HOWEVER, if you set Japanese as the language, the Japanese voice does play. Please do note that it would have meant to call back the VAs for the DLCs, which isn't... as easy in America, so I think they did the best job they reasonably could. Also well, I guess they included 5PB's radio which was DLC only originally with no dubbing(but still the original voice if you use Japanese setting).

>>8222990

Pretty much this. Even /v/ would be a more appropriate place. Honestly I'd prefer Sion bombing this thread with Cloche images again than seeing a single troll derail the thread while tripfags make it worse. You may like one voice track and not the other, that's fine, we don't care, this isn't the thread for it.

>>8223212
/v/'s too busy calling it weaboo shit to bother having a dub/sub argument.

>>8223288

You should have seen that troll thread where OP compared the reactions to Portal 2 and Catherine.

>>8223339
That comparison sounds horrible, regardless of context.

>>8223368

He basically said that Portal 2 was easier, shorter and less unique but /v/ loves it, and Catherine was longer, harder, has more story and is more unique but /v/ hates it just because it's anime.

Watched the fishing festival. Poor Cordelia. Forever short in both height and chest...

>>8223437

And that's why she's absolutely perfect.

>>8223437

The part where Astrid told Cordelia that she made Hom a tiny bit taller compared to her height just for mocking had me laughing for quite a bit, even though I really felt bad for Cordelia

>>8221305

The battle system was fucking horrible.

>one static 3 hit combo, not effected by which direction the player is pressing beyond the direction of the attack
>four special attacks that all basically do the same thing
>one super special triggered from the menu
>about every 10-30 seconds, press a shoulder button and shake the controller to purge and gain extra damage

And then the fights start to become downright tedious towards the end of the game.

That's the reason why I can't recommend to anyone other than Ar Tonelico fans. They clearly had no idea what makes that kind of combat system fun. I had to play Star Ocean 3 in order to wash the bad taste out of my mouth.

If you're looking for an Ar Tonelico experience, though, you'll find it in AT3.

>lovable heroines (the only AT protagonist who isn't a botched mess, too)
>fun skits with said lovable characters; protagonist and heroines play well off of each other
>cosmospheres; not as good as AT2's, but they have their moments
>talk topics scattered around the towns and dungeons
>crafting
>story is pretty decent

I could think of worse ways to wrap up the Ar Tonelico saga.

So I'm playing Rorona, in year 3 month 3, and not level 25 yet. Am I screwed on unlocking Orthogalaxen, or can I still get it if I grind up to 25 now?

>>8221936
>>8222126
Watch the voice acting documentary.
There you go. It's on Amazon.

>>8222192
Thats pretty much what they're saying it seems.

>>8223688
Stop trying to force your masochistic tendencies on others.

>>8223688
>>>/v/

>>8223700
Alls I'm sayin is that both are great and to choose whatever you prefer.

Finished AI1 in about a week and a half, 40 hours total. Wasn't too bad, loved the shit out of Veola, Pamela and Norn. What should I expect from AI2? I think I'll buy it instead of emulate it.

Speaking of of Veola, Why is she so lonely? ;_; In b4 chronodex discussion.

>>8223654
>The battle system was fucking horrible.
As a person who has only played AT3, I wouldn't call it that bad.

+ Full movement. You can often dodge enemy moves by predicting them and moving out of the way.
- Since you seem to have about 50% to interrupt enemy moves, it's often better to smash attack button than dodge.
+ If you time your attacks along with the notes/music, you'll do extra damage.
- If you wait for the notes, you'll lose more damage than you gain from the you spent NOT attacking at all, particularly thanks to long delays after your attacks.
+ Stripping girls = powerups. These power-ups range from automatic elemental damage, to buffs and resistances and HP recovery up. What's there not to like in stripping girls, man?
+ If you've seen the stripping animation far too many times, you can just turn it off.
+ Somewhat varied enemies. For some enemies you can just pound them, but some enemies pretty much require stripping and then nuking with song magic. Funnily enough, the game probably has less monster types than FFX but still doesn't feel half as repetitive.
- As the game progresses, the later monsters have waayyy too much HP. This makes endgame battles seem like a crawl.
+ Loading times for combat and combat aftermath are very fast. This is something some games don't pay attention to.

I wouldn't call AT3 combat system perfect, far from it. It had fantastic potential but they didn't go all the way with it.

>>8223959
>If you've seen the stripping animation far too many times, you can just turn it off.
Wait, I can? Where?

>>8223959
>+ If you time your attacks along with the notes/music, you'll do extra damage.
Too bad there's no rhythm to your attacks. If you don't hit the attack button almost immediately after your first hit, you won't be able to continue the combo. Shit.
>>8223993
It's in the options menu under Purge Movie or something.

So is one Pamela connected to any of the other Pamelas? Or is she something like the recurring brain damage that causes everyone to say 'barrel'?

>>8223923

>What should I expect from AI2?

Characters that aren't as retarded.

>>8224029
pamela is always pamela
they're all the same person

>>8224030

To be fair, the cast in AI2 and AI3 says some pretty stupid shit, too.

>>8224029
た～る～♪

>>8224029
> the recurring brain damage that causes everyone to say 'barrel'
...wait, normal people don't shout 'barrel' in front of barrels? Is that why everyone looks at me so funny when I do it?

>>8224029
Pamela is always the same loveable Pamela. She just forgets everytime.

Oh~ How I wish she would be playable again...

>>8224069

The note at the end was a nice touch.

>>8224040

So if what they said in MK1 is true and she died at the school can some timeline be drawn with that as the starting point? Or is it just too unclear from the in game text?

>>8224134

You must be a fun person in a distillery store house.

>>8223654
>the only AT protagonist who isn't a botched mess

but.
Croix.

>>8224200
I think thats just their whole school ghost story stuff.
Did they ever say they found the body or buried it or something like that?

>>8224200
You find her body in Atelier Iris
Can I just say Saki's english voice fits her well?

>>8224342
No, get out.

>>8224342
Well, I did have a slight heart attack whenever she said "I'll sing so many times!"
It's just so like her.

>>8224200
there is no Pamela timeline. In atelier iris 1 she was sacrificed to a dragon in a cave. In 3, she died in a cooking accident. In mk, she died at school. in atelier marie she also had a different death, although I had no idea what it was since it's not translated

>>8224360
I prefer to assume that she's too ditzy to remember and just wanders around.

I wish you could hold Pamela. I bet she would feel good to rest on.

Who has the bigger chest, Reisha or Pamela?

>>8224376
Uh, Reishia. Pamela barely even had breasts until the PS3 era.

>>8224376
Pamela. That there are no doujins of her is a crime.

>>8224371

Well, you can in Totori. She must feel very plushy.

>>8224393
Go back and look again. PS3 Pamela most certainly has the larger set.

>>8224399
It's probably anatomically correct when she's in that body.

>>8224360
>she died in a cooking accident
Jesus Christ, those things can actually kill people for real?

>>8224393
they were relatively big in 3

>>8224406
>Additionally, accidents related to the deep-frying of turkeys are responsible for five deaths and 60 injuries each year.
http://www.health.state.ga.us/phweek/112111/Thanksgiving.asp
And that's just a single cooking activity.
Cooking is fucking dangerous, man.

>>8224393
I think Pammy wins.
God bless you Kishida Mel

>>8224406
Burning kitchen?

>>8224406
Someone at my brother's university blew up an oven by baking a pot of oil.

>>8224414

Totori claims Melvia has the biggest chest of all the girls she knows, but Pamela's looks bigger to me.

>>8224476
Glorious rude ghost

Does anyone know of a script or addon where it only displays certain threads in /jp/ (ie. shows threads with "Gust" in the title)? This and the fig threads are really the only reason I bother coming.

>>8224647
/rs/ "browser"

>>8224668

Wow, this is fantastic. Thank you.

>>8224376

Posting some RUDE. I regret nothing.

>>8224967

>>8224420
IIRC she was tried to reach for a shelf that was too high and she lost her balance and hit her head with something.

Are any of these RPGs worth playing for the gameplay? I love PS2 JRPGs, but if the only enjoyable aspect of these games is the characters I think I'll pass.

>>8224851
http://catalog.neet.tv/
http://catalog.neet.tv/jp/
You can also use this. I like it better, personally.

>>8225024
Yes, very.

>>8225032
Which? There are quite a few.

So I just bought Totori and I swear this game destroys my nutbladder.

>>8225024
Mana Khemia has an awesome engine. Just be sure to set it to hard if you want it to actually be challenging.

>>8225161
Amen to this.
MK is like Atelier's badass cousin.
They should use some of that for the next Atelier game...if we ever get another one.

>>8225024
I suggest Mana Khemia to start out with. It's like a badass blend of Ar Tonelico and Atelier and a nice gateway into them all. Or you can just start out with Atelier Iris for the PS1 or Atelier Rorona for the PS3.

I miss Mana Khemia's awesome spritework and attacks. I kind of wish Gust would develop for DS/PSP just to get back to that instead of the lame 3D modeling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfScbz-j8h0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwiI-VGmMpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA4HFWQ_D_U

>>8225161
>>8225356
I don't have a PS3 and BoF3 has put me off of PS1 JRPGs for the time being, so I think I'll try Mana Khemia. Thanks, guys.

>>8225433
Their 3D models look great though. Especially with Totori and Meruru.
AT3's were great too but way too damn stiff.
>Dem running scenes

Also. I felt so cheated that Totori's model viewer didn't have full roation.

>>8225614
Meh. If they're going to use modeling like that, I expect a lot more than only a few different attacks per character. Combat was just visually boring and repetitive, something I never felt for the AI3-MK2 engine games.

>>8225356
Next Atelier game will be a social game

god is dead.

>>8225614
I don't even know how to use the model viewer. I downloaded and installed it... where's the option in the game?

>>8225642
AI3's wasn't anything special.
MK2 was pure sex.

>>8225682
You have to beat the game first.
Then you'll see it in the extra menu on the main menu.

>>8224342

Yes.

All 3 of the heroines had pretty suitable voices, and as a critic of R1 dubs, I can say Christina Velenzuela always does a pretty decent job.

>>8224283

...is a botched mess.

Not as bad as Lyner, and they had good concept for him, but he's just so damn INCONSISTENT. Is he a deadpan snarker, or is he a slightly more considerate Lyner 2.0? Its like the writers couldn't decide.

Aoto is a bro, and he plays really well off of the girls. I don't like them switching the tradition of the protagonist being a well-trained, elite prodigy of a knight for LOL HE'S A DESCENDANT OF SOME CLAN SO HE CAN FIGHT WITH THE BEST OF THEM, but beyond that, he curbstomps Lyner and Croix, both as a character and as a driving force in the story.

>>8225982
Get out

>>8225996
>Not as bad as Lyner, and they had good concept for him, but he's just so damn INCONSISTENT. Is he a deadpan snarker, or is he a slightly more considerate Lyner 2.0? Its like the writers couldn't decide.

What the fuck are you talking about

Positions on dubs are like the internet's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy; don't bring it up and we don't have to waste two hundred posts in a thread talking about it.

>>8225996
>LOL HE'S A DESCENDANT OF SOME CLAN SO HE CAN FIGHT WITH THE BEST OF THEM
Wait, when do they say this? All I picked up from the game was that he can fight so well because he's a construction worker and therefore carries shit around and smashes shit with his sword all day anyway

Aoto's also half Reyvateil.

>>8225996
>but beyond that, he curbstomps Lyner and Croix, both as a character and as a driving force in the story

But AT2 was about Luca & Cloche.

>>8226342
Yeah, Croix is my favorite of the male characters in the series but hes practically a side character after the first few hours.

>>8223147

Er, I thought it was the other way around? No Japanese dubbing because it was post-release DLC and they didn't get the actors back. But since English dubbing started after all the DLC was released, they just had the English actors do it as part of the initial recording session.

>>8226337
Are you trying to kill me anon?

>>8225996

You sir, apparently have never had to get two women to not kill each other when they are simultaneously having their period. Croix's actions make perfect sense in this context.

And if someone tries to tell me that the first half of AT2 wasn't Luca and Cloche PMSing at each other then I'm not sure we played the same game.

>>8223959
>As a person who has only played AT3, I wouldn't call it that bad.

Play Tales of Vesperia to see a real time 3D battle system done right. Than play AT3 again. you will realise AT3's battle system is fucking horrible.

>>8223959

I can see you not thinking it's too bad coming from 3 only, but coming from 1->2->3 it's a clear downgrade. While 1 was generic turn-based bullshit 2's battle system was actually really well-done and engaging, so it annoyed a lot of people to see them throw that out and change to 3's system.

As with many sequels, the system's not bad in a vacuum but looks pretty 'meh' next to its predecessor's.

>>8225996
>Not as bad as Lyner, and they had good concept for him, but he's just so damn INCONSISTENT.
I smell a bad translation fucking things up?

>Aoto is a bro, and he plays really well off of the girls.
…he's characterless. I can't remember one fucking scene where really shined. The story is completely driven by the girls, apart from the love arcs he could be just as well nonexistant. Lyner was stupid, but at least he was comedy gold.

>>8226368
No, they are voiced only in Japanese. Specifically, RED and 5pb only have their combat voices/quote in English, their VN segments and 5pb radio are completely silent, unless you use Japanese voice settings. The only other character to appear in those is If anyway(except one where Nisa appears briefly but she doesn't say anything), so the Japanese had to call back only one voice actor, apart from the new ones.
Yes, I did watch all the cutscenes in the game, DLC included.

>>8226699
Every AT's battle system is horrible, getting worse with each iteration.

AT1: Wait for your bitch to charge up, release power, collect loot. Do a bit of damage with your vanguard when bored.
AT2: Wait for your bitch to charge up, break your goddamned fingers trying to defend the bitch, release power, collect loot. Your vanguard couldn't do damage even if they tried.
AT3: Wait for your bitch to charge up, while running around aimlessly trying to get to the action. You won't do any actual damage, though. Once in a while, you can strip your bitch and fap furiously to Finnel's bouncing chest. Actually, that was the best thing about AT3's combat system, or so I think. Maybe my hormones are taking over, I'm not sure.

>>8227387
>Your vanguard couldn't do damage even if they tried.

Vanguards are actually fairly powerful in AT2, at least relative to 1/3 where they exist solely to be meatshields and build up RT power. RT spells still leave their attacks in the dust, sure, but I frequently did significant damage to enemies before it was time to release the spell.

>>8227387
>Your vanguard couldn't do damage even if they tried.
I beat Infel just with the vanguards. Accidentally.

>You won't do any actual damage, though.
Are you even trying?

>>8227387
>you can strip your bitch and fap furiously to Finnel's bouncing chest
I didn't even run around, I just moved the camera around until I could get the lewdest shot I could. Sometimes I let a battle go on for minutes trying to get the best look. I can't be the only one who did this.

Also... Suzunomiya should have shown more skin.

>>8226368

I think you have that confused with Ar Tonelico Qoga.

In Neptunia the English version couldn't voice the Red and 5pb events because those DLC came just as they finished dubbing. But the Japanese track still has them voiced.

In Ar Tonelico Qoga, the Harvestasha personality DLC was post-released and the Japanese didn't voice them. The English track, however, does voice them since they were still recording and they went, might as well. The Elemia Island DLC is unvoiced in both tracks, though.

>>8227417
>Vanguards are actually fairly powerful in AT2, at least relative to 1/3 where they exist solely to be meatshields and build up RT power.

AT1 vanguards get pretty strong especially if you've been messing around with crystal enhancements. If you get really good ones you can kill many bosses, including the final, without the Reyvateil doing much of anything.

It's only in AT3 where the vanguards turn pretty much useless later in the game, only used for purging.

>>8227561
>I didn't even run around, I just moved the camera around until I could get the lewdest shot I could. Sometimes I let a battle go on for minutes trying to get the best look. I can't be the only one who did this.

Oh shit, I did this too. That's one pro of Gust using this battle system I suppose; wouldn't be able to do this if it were still 2D or turn-based.

>>8227387
What the hell? Vanguards in AT2 were absurdly strong. I started singing stat boost songs because they killed before my damaging songs even charged up a small amount.

Should I just suck it up and buy Atelier Iris 2? I don't like spending money, but $17 isn't too bad, and emulating AI1 was just plain painful. Is it worth the money?

>>8227721
Most consider it to be the best of the Iris trilogy, so yes.

>>8227721

It's honestly the only one worth buying. Good luck finding a cheap copy 10 years from now.

>>8227756
>>8227721

It would be easier if NISA put up the Iris trilogy, or any of their older games, up as a PS2 Classic. Only reason I can think of for them not doing so is either they need to get it through Sony or because they think it won't sell. Well if it's the latter, it couldn't sell any less than GrimGrimoire, which is probably one of their most obscure releases.

>>8227667
seconding this.

and for AT1, the vanguards are even more stupidly strong. Put on a few forbidden powers, and your vanguards take down bosses so fast you have to have them guard for several turns so that the bitch can get 3 crystals for the 4x drop without killing the boss first.

One vanguard alone can defeat the final boss faster than having the shurelia charge up a single child of light enough to take off half the boss's life.... and you have 3 vanguards, so a buff spell with pointy significantly out damages any of the offensive spells.

>>8227777
It's probably more because whether or not that happens is up to GUST, not NISA.

What makes Lyner "inconsistent"?
He was my favorite of the 3.

>>8226298
They mention that he's the son of a reyvateil and human, which is apparently rare, but they don't ever say that that anything has to do with his fighting ability.

>>8227797
>the bitch
Don't be mean!

>>8228069
How is that rare though? There are plenty of Reyvateils everywhere. Shouldn't there be a near equal amount of males born to the couples that made the Reyvateils?

>>8228084
I dunno. Tyria vaguely brings it up about how Aoto's bloodline makes him more emotionally unstable or some shit.
I figure it's suppose to be some half-assed explanation for why he reacts the way he does in a three-heart event.

Went into Gamestop today because they had a used copy of AI1 for 8 bucks. The faggot behind the counter grinned when I said the title, looked at his coworker and said "Oh hey it's that crazy anime RPG with the little girls."

Called him a cunt, walked out and bought it for ten bucks more at the store across the street. My pride was hurt. Oh well, more justification not to leave my house.

On a side note, I think he got fired for saying that.

>>8228113
Gamestop's always been dicks like that. I managed to get AT 1 and 2 new at this one private store near me. Most of them are bros who, despite knowing why you're getting your shit, don't really care why.

>>8228113
+1/1/1

>>8228113
Hindsight is always 20/20, you could have reported that to his manager at that moment and ate up the delicious grief you could cause him.

and still got it for $8

>>8228069
>>8228084
>>8228091
Every 'human' on and around the third tower is part reyvateil. It's all part of archia's human evolution project. Aoto's not that special at all, he's just the first human Tyria gets a close look at after she comes out of the pod

>>8228285
By this point, don't all humans have some R blood in them just by time and people taking Reyvateils as wives?

>>8228288
Possibly, but they're not medleys like the people of Sol Cluster. Normal humans can have the reyvateil gene but it's not active in them, while medleys have the reyvateil gene active, even if they're male or female and not a full reyvateil

>>8228113
But it IS crazy anime RPG with little girls.

>>8228113
Even I would be pissed if some idiot at the store I'm buying from calls me out on the games that I like.

>>8228060

He said Croix was "inconsistent," not Lyner.

>>8228113
>The faggot behind the counter grinned when I said the title, looked at his coworker and said "Oh hey it's that crazy anime RPG with the little girls."
Wahahaha oh wow! I'm impressed.

>>8227655
>It's only in AT3 where the vanguards turn pretty much useless later in the game, only used for purging.
Play on easy? The HP of mobs is at least half, some bosses have like one sixth of HP.
Early game stuff dies before you can even purge, but I have to admit that later on the enemy HP is just absurd even on Easy.

>>8228903
>Play on easy? The HP of mobs is at least half, some bosses have like one sixth of HP.
Yeah this. I don't know who you'd try to impress by playing these games on hard anyway. The gameplay always took a backseat to the story and music in all three games.
It just happens that they got real fuckin' lucky with AT2's gameplay.

>>8229142

It's not about impressing anyone, it's giving yourself a decent challenge whilst playing. What's the point of breezing through the game with it being a snorefest until you get to the next main story event? The combat system was pretty mediocre but that's no reason to make the game boring. To each their own though, I only save 'easy modo' playthroughs for NG+ when finishing up on other routes, achievements/trophies or whatever else.

Don't mind me, just postin' some Reyvateils to save the thread from the page 15 abyss.

>>8232596
Misha>>Finnel>Mir>Tilia=Shurelia>>Aurica>>>>>>>>Luca=Cloch
e>>>>>>>getting hit in the balls>>>>>*>>>Saki

>>8232596

Whoever designed the Reyvateils, they really like detached sleeves and bare shoulders.

>>8232843

>they really like detached sleeves and bare shoulders.

Everybody likes that, right?

Anyone have a link for the Atelier Annie+Lise artbook?

>>8233131

Of course. It was just something I noticed after seeing that image.

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/13/atelier-elkrone-and-shining-blade-set-for-march-release

Oh boy.

>>8233380
A Gust Atelier Otome game? ...That's... I don't know... Do they hope to sell it to us guys who want to be the little girl?

Ar tonelico continues to be the best series. I was just chilling listening to the AT2 soundtrack (BGM, not hymmnos) and 'Flower Pattern ~Existence~' started playing and BAM, fucking inspiration for a game/VN project out of nowhere. I've had no ideas for months and my other project idea seems like a dead end at the moment, so this is absolutely fucking wonderful. I stuck that shit on loop and got writing and now I've already got like 3 pages of notes for it.

AT is really the series that keeps on giving and Jacqli continues to be the Undisputed Best Reyvateil

>>8233392
Well they got me.

>>8233435
Jakuri as a miko just seems... wrong. In a good way.

>>8233380
Nope
Nope nope nope nope

>>8233131
delicious

>>8233131
Yes.

>>8233435
Have any more Jakuri miko? It feels like a naughty nun to look at.

>>8228903
That said, it's funny how in Neptune, they made easy mode having both you and the enemies do more damage. The way that game is, it is actually easier, but it made the gameplay parts even longer than they already were.

>>8233380
On one side, the PSP is pretty much dead outside Japan, and will be even more so when the Vita come out. On the other side, if they released those games via PSN, they could still be used on the Vita, so maybe people would actually buy them. Eh, one can only hope they reason like that.

>>8233380
It's a bit off topic, but following that link and reading:
>The Shining Blade, we ever get a game in the series in the western world?
Almost made me burst a blood vessel or two. How ignorant one can be?

>>8234938

I have no idea why anyone would play on easy in the first place. I personally played on hard mode from the start of the game and found it extremely easy so I had no reason to change it. Battles were fast (especially with skipping) and once you get Neptune Break the battles end within 5 seconds usually.

>>8233380

An Atelier otome game featuring Mel Kishida's artwork? Sign me up!

>PSP

Or not! Seriously, I always hate it whenever a game I might be interested in is PSP ONRY

>>8235310
Whats wrong with the PSP? It's a great system, and if you crack it you can download all the games for free.

>>8235374
Graphics look like shit, speakers are weak, and media size is small, so voice-overs are usually little to non-existent. All around failure, in my humble opinion.

>>8235451
Woah! How'd I land on /v/?

>>8235462
You asked for it.

>>8235374

It's a personal preference kinda thing for me. I don't like playing on a small screen if it'll be for more than a few minutes.

>>8235520
>>8235451
Indeed, if I could play PSP games on my PS3 I wouldn't have any beef with it. Those who want a portable could have their portable (have fun recharging that POS) and I could enjoy my games on a big TV (with a horrible resolution thanks to PSP limitations, but I could live with that).

But does Sony support that? Well no. No they don't.

I can't decide if I should buy UMD copies of games or PSN copies. I want a Vita, but I also want a copy for when Sony decides to turn off downloaded games.

>>8235630

>Those who want a portable could have their portable (have fun recharging that POS) and I could enjoy my games on a big TV (with a horrible resolution thanks to PSP limitations, but I could live with that).

But the PSP already does that on it's own with the TV output. Why do you need to invovle a PS3 to accomplish this?

So many major brand RPG/action game/etc I want to play that are heading to handhelds instead of consoles. I wish they'd at least make a PS2 version or a cheap PSN-on-PS3 version if they are too cheap to make modern graphics.

Figures that the Vita is coming out just as PSP emulation is starting to exist. Or does the Vita have VGA/etc output?

>>8235930
Oh god damnit, why did no one tell me the newer PSPs have video out.

Sorry to be a bother, but can someone re-upload the Chronicle Key scan? I derped and saved the thumbnail, not the image.

>>8236269

Here you go.

>>8235930

The PSP doesn't output in 720p or better though, and as far as I know it's Composite only. Also, unless they changed something with the newer firmware revisions, PSP games are displayed in a letterbox.

>>8236295

There are component cables, but yes, it's letterboxed, at least on an HDTV.

>>8236295
Thanks.
Much appreciated.

>>8235930
>But the PSP already does that on it's own with the TV output. Why do you need to invovle a PS3 to accomplish this?
Because I don't want to dish out cash for a "gaming system" that I already own.

>>8236295
How does this work with hymmnos?

>>8235940

Started to notice this a lot too, so many titles are only being developed for handhelds now which disappoints me. If they did get around to porting these games to PSN I'd throw so much money at my PS3..

They seriously need to put some research on making better graphics. Arland series was a nice upgrade to the Atelier version, but there's still a lot to be improved graphics-wise.

>>8240623
I thought Meruru looked pretty ace in all accounts, myself. Especially considering even slightly big budget games such as Ni no Kuni and/or Xillia manage to look weaker than that.

>>8240623

I think Meruru looked fantastic, especially when taking the graphical style into consideration. The backgrounds are absolutely gorgeous.

The animations need a lot of work. The walking/running in particular is pretty bad.

New thread:
>>8241334

This one lasted like what ... 5 days?