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1. computerized entertainment is not beneficial nor productive forms of treatment for clinical depression. they may as well be considered distractions to avoid a serious problem.

2. thinking you can't be helped with your depression or attain a higher level in mood is wrong, and delusional thinking. it is a common sign/symptom of depression to think in negative delusions that span to the extremes ('never' 'always' 'everyone' 'no one') and black and white thinking.
bottom line. the lines of logic you've come to adopt, the ones that tell you it's better off this way, the world is bad, people are bad, there's no point to anything, they're just views on the world. do not take these views as fact, as there is a difference between viewing the world and looking or seeing it.
do not let these thoughts rule you as fear and excuses from doing things.

3. exercise/physical activity. i know you probably just screwed up your nose and made a sound of annoyance and think you won't enjoy it, but it is as essential as eating and sleeping is to every day life.

you don't get to give up on life so easy, anon. you're better than this and you know that. it's the only reason you read this post thus far, or will even bother engaging in retorts to this thread.

>> No.8194855

1. hurrr durrr hurrr
2. derp herp derp heeeerp derrrp derp derp herp
3.hurrr durrr durrr derp herp SHIT

>> No.8194864

Shut up, mom!

>> No.8194866

I'm not the only who reached at their monitor when they opened the image, am I?

>> No.8194870

>>8194866
Cirno just wants to take you outside. Don't fall for her trap.

>> No.8194882

>>8194870
>>8194866
Do you know the story behind that picture?

>> No.8194885

>>8194847
> you don't get to give up on life so easy, anon.
Yes I do. It is a pointless game. The only winning move is not to play.

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>> No.8194876

that feel when your mother is a /jp/sie

>> No.8194878

Your grammar is awful.

>> No.8194891

>>8194885
Oh shit, man! Epic reference! XD

>> No.8194898

1. No shit.
2. Thinking I want to be helped is wrong and delusional thinking.
3. I probably eat and sleep as little as I exercise, so I'll agree with you on them being as essential as each other.

>> No.8194913

>>8194882
Nope. Do you intend to share?

>> No.8194933

If I attain a higher mood, I may be seen as manic or delirious. I'm pretty happy all the time as is.

And FUCK exercise. If it ain't required, I ain't doing it. I didn't attain my glorious nerd physique by working out.

>> No.8194931

What if I think that the world is bad and people are bad, but I'm perfectly happy with my life of leeching off the government and shitposting on /jp/ all day?

>> No.8194944

Depression makes me want to remain depressed. Might as well give it what it wants.

>> No.8195075

>>8194898
1. so long as that's clear
2. whether you want to or not right now, that's fine. as long as you know you have it in you with which you can fight off depression.
>>8194933
3. i do not know where to begin when it comes to saying that physical activity/exercise IS necessary.

come to think of it. if you guys have depression, how do you find joy in the things you're into? personally i dropped a shitload of interests and hobbies, let alone want to talk about it online with others.

>>8194931
so long as you're happy, anon.
the world may be bad, but if you were to perhaps learn of a few good people, to not overlook the good that is there in the world, then i'd be glad to know you know.

>>8194944
i felt this way too. that i don't deserve better. that i don't want happiness, or to feel anything, or to know anyone or anyone know me, or to remember anything. i'd let my body and mind rot in hopes i could just stop being me, that perhaps being me was what was wrong with everything. that i could just disappear one day and no one would notice.
now i can't read without my mind wandering off, i can't speak the one language i can speak properly, i can't bother with things i'd usually bother with.
but i couldn't stand the worries of my family and friends, and myself, the hope they imparted in me . mother would tell me life is life, friends would try to distract me, and to look in the mirror and see a happy little boy -albeit shy awkward crybaby- grown into this self-depraved mental case.
bottom line, you may want to give in because it's easier. but sooner or later you'll realize just how hard it is to fall.

>> No.8195095

Depression sucks. It's like trying to get a car moving with no gas, and everyone's racing past you wondering why you're being a stupid cunt that isn't moving.

So you get out and start pushing that car, but it wears you out, and people get frustrated with you and complain that you're being a slow asshole, and you try to explain that you have no gas, but they don't really get it because their tanks have been full their entire lives. And you're gonna be alone too, since who wants to travel that slowly? And if you do get someone, she's gonna sit in the front seat and yell at you to push faster. It's what happened to me.

So you either off yourself once your legs give out, or you get a doctor to dump some pseudo-fuel in your car that'll make it go just fine, but once you stop using it, your car will run in reverse and then you're really fucked.

Most of us though get by by pushing that ugly ass car every day little by litte in our dumpy dreary lives. And every time someone roars past you, tossing a fucking soda cup or a beer bottle at you and your fucking horrible car, you just push your face to the fender and keep pushing. You come upon the wreckage of those people who went too fast, who threw shit at you and mocked you for not being able to cruise along, and you see people stopping to mourn the burning dead, but you don't feel sad, no, you just keep pushing that car, ignoring the wreckage.

Then everyone turns around and gives you disgusting looks for being so callous. Your mere existence hurts them, and the spite is enough to make you smile and keep pushing that fucking car another fifteen miles.

>> No.8195106

>>8195075
I seem to get by without it just fine.

>> No.8195112

>>8194866
...I always do that, no matter how many times I see it. And it always seems her hand is really real... I can almost feel her coldness.

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8195110

I'm going to go hang myself now. cya guys later in gensokyo

>> No.8195129

>>8195095
beautifully put anon
>>8195106
if i put a penny in a pig everytime i heard that.

can i assume you're a 20something that's going to get fucked body-wise once his/her youthful body stops being so nice, courtesy of a lack of proper exercise/diet/sleep, once s/he hits his/her 30s and that lifestyle isn't so tolerable?

>> No.8195131

>>8195110
I know I have no right to say this, but please don't do it. We've lost enough good people as it is.

>> No.8195138

I started regularly exercising 6 months ago. I'm so glad I did.

I'm going to eventually get bored of watching anime and playing VNs for 10 hours a day, so including a 2.5 hr trip to the gym is a great way to stave off boredom.

Besides, now that I have a 455 lb squat and 285 lb bench press, I can NTR Shirou when I get to Avalon.

>> No.8195152

>>8195095
Oh, Anonymous... Reading that was painfully familiar. Sorry for the blog question, but is it depression if I just keep going through life without really caring about anything, just trying to shoo away the creeping boredom?

>> No.8195150

>>8195138

btw I started using Anavar and Test E, since I lifted weights before I dropped out of high school. If it weren't for online pharmacies I would've never gotten such supplements.

>> No.8195148

I don't want to get better anymore, I just want to be left alone.

>> No.8195159

>>8195129
Prettymuch.
I'm perfectly OK with that though. I'm not interested in living long, but living well. Or at least, what I consider 'well', which is eating good food and taking it easy. And smoking. I doubt I'll find this lifestyle intolerable in my 30's.

>> No.8195160

>>8195110
See ya later this month, anon!

>> No.8195171

>>8195131
There are no good people on /jp/.
We are but broken mockeries of what a real human should be like.
Too strange to live, too rare to die.

>> No.8195176

>>8195095
How poetic anon.

>> No.8195216

>>8195171
And what should a "real human" be, pray tell?
Every single living person - one is as human as one is real.
"Real humans" are nothing but fabrications of our ridiculous society.
Such a concept shouldn't guide the lives of people.
Humanity needs to free itself from these chains.
Even us.
No, specially us.
"Strange"?
I'll tell you what's strange.
This city, this government, this family - in other words, this society.
You're richer, you have more power.
You're influent, you have more power.
It all boils down to one thing - tricking people.
We are the rares, yes. But, we shouldn't be the ones to suffer.
No, not us.
Our time is nigh, and we need to prove our worth!
Death?
We shouldn't die with regrets.
We shouldn't die without achieving something.
And destroying this useless society, it is a worthy goal.

>> No.8195220

>>8195110
my first reaction was "lol, there's always that one guy that posts the opposite of what op's shitpost wants"
then i wondered why i even care at all if someone kills themself. after all, all the crap on the internet, on the news, why does it matter. to intrude on another's life is obscenely hypocritical.
now i just feel sad that you've gotten to a point where you might actually do it. i understand suicidal tendency isn't necessarily out of an emotional outburst, but a slow implosion. until one day you feel at absolute peace, no more sadness or self-hatred, and you feel like the other side is just a step away.
i know the future may not look too bright, if you can even see it at all.
>>8195138
hifive
i started doing midnight runs, just running/walking around one hour. it's unusual of me because i haven't exercised in half a year. before that it was perhaps years.
i just started feeling this itch inside, a frustration, and i ended up running around at night. i do so a couple times every week for a month now. i remembered how enthralling it was to run at full speed as a kid, and the laughable miseries of collapsing on the path almost puking from cramps and exhaustion.
i also know this probably is just a phase. i'll probably revert to making shitposts or crying myself to sleep and ultimately forget how to be this bit more happier.
but all i have is now, and i'm gonna enjoy it.

>> No.8195259

>>8195216
/jp/ seeking world domination

i..can't imagine it.
unless you promised the world to be their dreamland in doing so

>> No.8195275

>>8195259
Of course, once the world is ours - it will become whatever we want it to be, including but not limited to Gensokyo.

>> No.8195278

>>8195275
The nature of a man can not be changed so easily.
To create our dreamworld, we would have to change humanity itself.

>> No.8195286

Exercising is easier than you think anon. It can be very nerdy, like playing danmaku. It feels safe.
I recommend it.

>> No.8195284

What is it with this recent wave of normalfags and shitposters?

>> No.8195292

Am I the only one who gets real fulfillment out of indulging in my hobbies and not giving a damn about what anyone else thinks?

I thought I was depressed, but the problem was that I had trauma. I got over it, threw a block down on it, and now I enjoy my hobbies to the best of my ability.

I also get genuine fulfillment out of watching those around me either succeed or fail in their endeavors. To that car analogy, I'm the guy who's laughing at the pileup down the road.

>> No.8195291

>>8195284

I think you're a faggot. There are plenty of otaku who lead "normalfag" lives. What's wrong with exercising?

>> No.8195298

>>8195278
And what did you think we were going to change? Of course it is humanity itself. We would have science, technology, obsession and single-mindedness. There's no way it could possibly go wrong.

>> No.8195295

>>8195284
There's been a lot of NEET GENERALs for them to dump their nonsense. And I don't like it.

>> No.8195296

So, as somebody who is too poor to even afford weights, what kind of exercises can I do? Normally, I just go with situps and pushups, since they cost nothing and can be done anywhere. But then again, I was told those are utterly worthless.

>> No.8195300

>>8195296

Fight-starting.

>> No.8195324

>>8195284
>>8195295
interests are not limited to a single lifestyle.
besides, shitpost general is better than shitposts spattered everywhere for pages.
>>8195296
improvise. find a loli. lift her.
but i guess /fit/ or /diy/ might be of more use.
>>8195298
i remember going through that world domination/destruction mindset. felt...lonely.

>> No.8195334

>>8195296

Situps and pushups in the 40-100 rep range are only good if your goal is to do more situps and pushups.

Even if you don't to exercise, you can still get some physical activity by walking outside at night, when there's less pedestrian traffic. Wear a touk and a large greatcoat, so the hookers and drug dealers won't bother you, if you live in a shitty area.

Otherwise, you can try a bodyweight routine. You won't get ripped as quick as somebody who's on a weightlifting routine, but it's better than nothing. Here's the single most important item you need for bodyweight routines:

http://www.amazon.com/Bars-Strength-Training-Equipment/b?ie=UTF8&node=3408471

You can do chair dips, pushups, handstand pushups, and situps without equipment, but you need to incorporate chinups to develop a strong back.

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>>8195095

That was fucking awesome anon. I couldn't have expressed being depressed in a better and cooler way ever.

Sometimes /jp/ reminds me of House, you know, the addict doctor, always hurt, walking with a cane being miserable, giving a fuck about everything and everyone, but still managing to be happy somehow.

>> No.8195350

>>8195284
>recent wave of shitposters

Recent compared to what?

>> No.8195348

>>8195295
NEET != my life is terrible i want to commit suicide my life is worth nothing

the latter is what you're talking about, and i agree

>> No.8195360

>>8195095

The question is, why don't you stop pushing that car? just kill yourself. Gensokyo awaits, and even if it doesn't, it's better than living for the sake of eventually dying.

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>>8195360
>it (suicide) is better than living for the sake of eventually dying.

yeah well opinions. not dude you're replying to, god knows i'm not well versed anymore, but i remember hearing something about "life is suffering, and as soon as you embrace it life will become more easier to bear."
personally i just like the struggle sometimes. feels like a game

>> No.8195426

>>8195360
If you stop pushing the car, you'll lose that one small joy you have in watching others crash and burn. Gensokyo will still be there later.

>> No.8195477

I lost 10 years to something like a crippling torpid depression. I was missing something, and it was marijuana. I still need to push, but at least with it as a companion I can enjoy what I focus on and deal with reality a bit better.

Doping yourself with prescription drugs isn't the only way to fix yourself.

>> No.8195505

>>8195411
>personally i just like the struggle sometimes. feels like a game

This. I see my daily life as a game; imagining step mania mats on the concrete make walking much more enjoyable.

>> No.8195546

Leave me alone I'll outgrow this eventually. I can't get motivated by others. This is a small strange phase of my life and many people my age experience this. I'll find my own ways to deal with this, situations will change and I'll feel different on different days, in future years. Right now I'm comfortable and things are safe.

>> No.8195953

>>8195546
>This is a small strange phase of my life and many people my age experience this
So you're 16.
>Leave me alone
Then stop posting.

>> No.8197462

bmp for exhaustion of thread.

>> No.8197470

Like I give a shit, and none of my dear little anon shouldnt either. OP is a soccer mom trying to infiltrate our cause.

>> No.8197490

>>8197470
You are not as sweet as you used to be dear.

>> No.8197492

i aint depressed nigga

>> No.8197496
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8197496

I think I enjoy my life.

>> No.8197497

>>8195095
I do not even like or know anything about cars but that was beautifully put. Hopefully, some of us are able to make it to a gas station and finally get a little refill. Or we could make it home and stay there while we watch the rat race from the inside.

>> No.8197540

>>8195095
I would just stop pushing the car and walk. Fuck the car, dude, you don't need it.

>> No.8197636

I don't know why people on here are so mopey. Luckily I feed on other people's negativity so I love being here.

>> No.8197643

>>8197636
You too? I wonder if we are some demons or something...

Bit cheesy but there is a possibility...

>> No.8197682

I live alone with my cat, have an stable job doing your average developing and assorted computer related jobs. I am happy, although I can't name a single reason as to why I am. I simply feel happy.

Girlfriend? I sometimes think that I am so weird that no woman would be interested in me. So why try?

>> No.8197704

I don't get it, the only way you're happy all the time is if you're high on something.
Everyone gets depressed, everyone deals with it in their own way. Some with pills, other through friends or companions, and others still by just gritting their teeth and pushing on.

Who exactly can say one method is better then the other? If someone wants to lock themselves away from the world or hang themselves then so be it.
It's really none of your, mine, or anyone else business. Help them if they ask for it, leave them be if they don't.
There would be allot less depression in the world if people simply got that and stopped being so judgmental of everything different from themselves.

>> No.8197707

A world where I can't snuggle with a loli is not worth living in.

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8197720

1. Agreed, but that's not going to stop me spending nearly all my time on it. I don't suffer from depression though.

2. Agreed

3. Now this is what I'm talking about. /jp/, you would not believe how fun exercising can be unless you tried it. After doing it a few times (heck after about 4 sessions for me) not only did I feel even better than before, I felt that I was really working towards something to better myself. It just became really fun.

>> No.8197782

>>8197720
I know how fun it is, I've tried it before and kept at it for some time as well.
But I still don't want to do it, I enjoy playing games and reading more.

>> No.8197892

>don't you have se(x)?
>if that's the case, why don't you become friends with me?
Yup, Cirno wants me to come over there and fuck her.

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>>8194847

I agree. In my case, right now I'm unemployed and the only thing that makes me happy it's when I'm high at home (opiates and benzos).

It's not like I want it to be like this, but I have been looking for a job like 3 months and I never got called back. It's probably because I'm ugly, I have some trouble speaking, and well, maybe a little autism.

But in my old job that I worked for 6 years, I was the best employee of the company, mainly because I was always focused doing my job (system administrator) and never got involved in any trouble or never was speaking. Always focused doing my job, or working on some new project for the company.

That was until a guy that worked there strangled and punched me at work, I still don't know the reason.. but I got to knew that the company didn't have a real insurance, and got involved in a legal case.

Now I'm waiting for the next month for the judge to decide something.


Life sucks. Gensokyo rules.

>> No.8200309

>>8195095
>>8195095

>> No.8200321

>>8197892
https://privatepaste.com/3e73c1f255

>> No.8200332

>>8194913
I guess he doesn't intend to share.

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8200423

Am I the only person here who actually wants to go outside and find someone one day?

Every day I exercise and lift weights (inside my house, of course) and I slowly try to fix my anxiety issues through meditation and occasionally going outside so I can try to talk to people without having a panic attack. I've been getting a lot less scrawny and I'm starting to see a lot physical improvements, but the social anxiety part is still pretty rough.

My dream is that one day I'll have shaped my body into something attractive, I won't have as much anxiety, and then I'll go out and find an obese otaku girl that I can date. We could cuddle and watch anime or play games together. I think it would be nice.

>> No.8200443

>>8200423
Females complicate the SHIT out of things.

>> No.8200478

>>8200423
I honestly don't think I could enjoy the things I do with a female partner. Really.

If you are meditating and trying to get over your anxiety in this way I recommend this book to you.
http://www.amazon.com/Shambhala-Sacred-Path-Warrior-Classics/dp/159030702X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qi
d=1323229911&sr=8-1

It is one of my favorite books about this type of stuff, but he doesn't hold back and he is pretty honest about some painful things. But it helped me a great deal, particular when I meditated too much and nearly went nuts because of accidental ego-death.

>> No.8200788

>>8200283

>(opiates and benzos)

Won't mixing those kill you?

>> No.8200796

>>8200788
I doubt he'd have them at the same time.

I always steal my parents benzos. I have high tolerance to most drugs though, 1 pill will make me relaxed for half an hour or so then nothing so I usually eat about 5 over the first half hour or so. When I have a lot on hand though and I start to feel fucked up it is hard not to just eat them like candy.

>> No.8200813

>1. computerized entertainment is not beneficial nor productive forms of treatment for clinical depression. they may as well be considered distractions to avoid a serious problem.
Better than having constant breakdowns and dealing with my other obsessive behavior

>2. thinking you can't be helped with your depression or attain a higher level in mood is wrong, and delusional thinking. it is a common sign/symptom of depression to think in negative delusions that span to the extremes ('never' 'always' 'everyone' 'no one') and black and white thinking.
bottom line. the lines of logic you've come to adopt, the ones that tell you it's better off this way, the world is bad, people are bad, there's no point to anything, they're just views on the world. do not take these views as fact, as there is a difference between viewing the world and looking or seeing it.
do not let these thoughts rule you as fear and excuses from doing things.
Sometimes I have mental breakdowns. The problem is not that I don't want or hope for something. That something is just something I've had no luck. If anything obsession and not being able to fulfill it is what is keeping me depressed.

>3. exercise/physical activity. i know you probably just screwed up your nose and made a sound of annoyance and think you won't enjoy it, but it is as essential as eating and sleeping is to every day life.
I do this, but mostly to lose weight

>> No.8200866

>>8200813
>Better than having constant breakdowns and dealing with my other obsessive behavior
true, in that having breakdowns are unpleasant. but they remind you that you have a problem that needs to be dealt with. not ignored.

>Sometimes I have mental breakdowns. The problem is not that I don't want or hope for something. That something is just something I've had no luck. If anything obsession and not being able to fulfill it is what is keeping me depressed.
>luck.
depending on circumstance, or others, to have your wish fulfilled? only remembering the bad outcomes, and hardly remembering the good ones. i know that feel, i know how long i can blame others (parents and my upbringing, geographical inconvenience, etc) before realizing that at the same time i am waiting for someone else (these people and the things i blame) to fix these things for me

but as responsible as they may be, whatever idealistic thinking 'responsibility' may be in an empty world where morals are simple conjurations of humans' emotions and logic clashing, they're not going to solve themselves. no matter how long i stare at a duck, it won't kill and roast itself and jump onto my plate.
i find depression screwed up a lot of my decision making ability. but as a s/adv/irgin told me, it stems from my lack of confidence, and my lacking sense of responsibility. that i'd just gotten too used to running away.
>I do this, but mostly to lose weight
an achievement in itself. perhaps some joys can be found within the journey itself, rather than the goal you have your eyes on

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8201963

bomp since thread isn't really going apeshit and could help someone
fancy how the usual threads get deleted, and now i notice this is probably apart of 'otaku culture'.

>> No.8201975

>>8201963
Huh? What?

>> No.8202044

>do not let these thoughts rule you as fear and excuses from doing things.
but there's no fear. i was never afraid of the contact with people, i just hated it.

always had that annoying burning sensation inside when i had to go somewhere with people i didn't know.

>> No.8202996

> computerized entertainment is not beneficial nor productive forms of treatment for clinical depression. they may as well be considered distractions to avoid a serious problem.
I know. But it's all I have. I'm a manchild. I am literally unable to pay attention to most real life problems.

>> No.8202998

>>8202996
Good job bumping this you disgusting manchild.

>> No.8202999

fucking sage how does it work

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>>8202998
Tch, you noticed?

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>>8201975
aren't the usual depression threads sagebombed and deleted ? perhaps the other one was a raid from /adv/ and was deleted accordingly because it was a) a raid b) blatantly trolltastic
but this thread isn't doing so bad..

>> No.8204769

>>8204760
Depression threads are usually saged because nobody wants to bump them. Then, after nobody bumps them, they fall off page fifteen like everybody intended, unless for some crazy reason somebody thinks that it should be on page zero again.

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>>8204769
public service ?
some good stuff said here. particularly >>8195095 whether it's from anon or somewhere else

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