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I like seeing new ones. As long as there are new hats to be drawn, there will be new touhoes. Shit would get boring real fast if he just started making whole games with prior character.

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Er. Ahem. Yes, I would like it if he expanded on existing characters. It's ultimately up to him though. He's his own boss and all thaOH MY GOD JUST ONE GAME WITH MIMA, WOULD IT MURDER YOU YOU DRUNKEN JAPANESE BASTARD, JUST FUCKING ONE

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

As long as they are not as shitty as the TD cast.

Ten reasons why Ten Desires Sucks


1. Character design

2. Anemic level design

3. Inane musics - I recommend mute on.

4. Buggy graphics

5. No Mima

6. Difficulty through unfairness

7. Unmoving big monsters

8. Bosses

9. Childishness

10. ZUN IS A FUCKING FAGGOT

>>8182673
Don't worry, Mima will be in the next game. I can feel it in my bones!

I don't mind if he uses existing characters. In fact, that's a good way of developing them. However, I like at least 4 or 5 new characters per game.

Yuyuko's appearance in TH13 didn't expand her character.

He should make 14 new lolis for every game. With rehashed personalities.

6 new characters and 1 recurring character is the best format.

We're looking at YOU Mima.

Maybe if we raise our voices high enough, ZUN will hear our pleas and put mima in the next game.

>>8182683
Wait... This one is more accurate.

>>8182674
>TD cast
>shitty

>>8182690
Stop posting THAT Touhou...

>>8182685
pretty sure he heard it the last time, and the response was Tojiko in a big "fuck you" move

No, thanks. She reminds me of my mother.

>>8182696
Forgot my quote >>8182690

>>8182690
Right its got yoshika.

>>8182693
Why?

TD had Yuyuko, Kogasa and Nue, and it had 7 new characters too. I think that's a good balance.

>>8182712
I don't know... She gives me the chills, I guess I feel the same as >>8182696

I think that Tokiko really needs to get some more screentime. She'd make a great, say, stage four boss. Such a beautiful youkai... it's a crime for her to go so underappreciated.

>>8182696
Is it the grandma lenses?

>>8182734

I liked her before you came, now I'm starting to associate Tokiko with shitposting.

Will ZUN make a sound world and character interaction with a coherent story? Will ZUN decide to actually start making money off the game/series? Ask questions and make expectations when he makes the games for some other reason aside from just for the fun of it.

That said, new characters are always fun, new stories, and new personalities to ponder. I can't help but wonder how long that creativity is going to last though.

>>8182734
Best bet is probably another spin-off like Fairy Wars. Don't hold your breath though, Sangetsusei was pretty popular as it was, can't quite say the same about Kourindou.

>>8182742
Just install a filter to ignore my posts and look at the pretty pictures.

http://www.mediafire.com/?b9c8y4fcsm3l72n
To ease your aching bones.

>>8182745
>hide my posts if you don't like my shitposting

>>8182725
No probs, but you still need to put up with her on here. She's a Touhou.

Seiga's quite cute too.

Almost all new characters in few last games were really crappy.

He should concentrate on popular old characters until he got some good new ideas.

The next game should be about Rin Satsuki. God, we have waited for her for so long.

>>8182772
You know people already complain that TD had 3 WHOLE previously used characters? Making a game with all pre-existing characters that isn't a Tasofro fighter or STB style would be an outrage among the fans.

>>8182777

Look at fanarts and doujins. Characters from UFO and TD get very little attention.

Because most of them suck.

I'd prefer it if he expanded on some existing characters a bit more.
However, I like the amount of new characters that come in each game.

Delicious new lolis or more character development; I'm at an impasse.

>>8182783
Or uhh...y'know, entrenchment. Those'd be the 2 most recent whole number games. Same reason EoSD contains the most popular characters, been around the longest.

He should make another SDM focused game.

>>8182792
I'd actually like that, as long as he also throws in a few new characters. It isn't that unreasonable to assume that Remilia would start some shit again.

>>8182783
>Look at fanarts and doujins. Characters from... TD get very little attention.

What are you expecting? TD doujins from the last comiket? There's a rather significant problem with that scenario.
UFO to a lesser extent, there number of UFO doujins since UFO was released is surely no less than each other game in that same time.

>>8182796
Let's see what TD gets this Comiket then.

Touhous are like Pokémon: there are already far too many of them and they should just reuse existing ones, but people will be pissed if they don't introduce new ones each game.

>>8182796
>number of UFO doujins since UFO was released is surely no less than each other game in that same time

Nope. It's way smaller.

Byakuren is the most popular UFO character by far and she still have just a few doujins.

TD is barely getting any fanarts at all.

>>8182803
Maybe we can tone it down to 1-2 new per game. Don't know how hard that'd be though. Which is easier? Making new characters, or defining an existing one.

>>8182807
Are we trying to go by counts here? Wait another decade and try to figure again.

TD will only get pitty doujins and fanart because it's the last Touhou that came out.

The only mildly interesting character is that boy who does radical things

>>8182803
Maybe he can tone it down to 1-2 new per game. Don't know how hard that'd be though. Which is easier? Making new characters, or defining an existing one.

>>8182807
Are we trying to go by counts here? Wait another decade and try to figure again.

>>8182803
Are you telling me you don't want to raise your own Kyouko?

>>8182803
Oh fuck, I don't want to learn so many names again.

I support recycling...

Sakuya-san ;_;

Will Kasen ever show up in the games?

Don't worry, we will have 13.3, 13.5 and 13.8

>>8183747

13.8 will have the best soundtrack in the series.

More Touhous. I like new things, and I found TD's cast pretty good. The fandom does the expanding on the characters.

Use the same characters. Add no more than 2 new. Preferrably - 0.
Touhuverse already has more characters than it knows what do with them.

>>8183750
Nah, 13.5 will. 13.5 is shitty remixes of old pc-98 ones.

Let the cast grow until it reaches about 250 characters. Then, gradually reduce the amount of new characters per game until the new games feature at most 1 new character.

How many characters has ZUN created up to date? Let's say the nameless midbosses are characters too.

>>8183771

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Characters

ZUN sure as hell should reuse old characters, every time a character from a previous game appears as a midboss or early boss is a joy. Late bosses probably should be new characters, thought this isn't an absolute (Reimu/Marisa fight in IN was glorious). In general, use the old favorites.

I've got one exception though: Reimu and Marisa need to fuck off for a while. Having to play as them in every single Touhou since the stone age is stale. Make it so that they don't appear at all in TH14, or only appear as bosses to fight - let them rest and regain their welcome. Use characters like Sakuya and Udonge as playables, maybe even somebody random like Keine who has never been playable before.

>>8183754
>Touhuverse already has more characters than it knows what do with them.

That's bullshit and you know it. Touhou would wither away without a constant stream of new characters. People are already out of ideas what to do with the older ones.

>>8183778
I completely disagree with the second point. If you're tired of them you need to love them more.

>>8183778

A Touhou game without Marisa and Reimu isn't going to happen, ever. However, I agree with you that other characters beyond the ones used frequently (sanae, youmu, sakuya) should be playable as the 3rd and 4th option.

Why are there no Touhous with really curly hair?

There should be a Jew Touhou with tiny, curly sideburns.

>>8183789
>A Touhou game without Marisa and Reimu isn't going to happen, ever.

StB

>>8183778
>Reimu and Marisa need to fuck off for a while.
What is Touhou without its main characters?

>>8183778
We had a whole year and 3 games without them as main characters

>>8183793
Newest Touhou hat.

>>8183803

It would have main characters. They just would be somebody else.

Reimu and Marisa are not anywhere near interesting enough to pull this series by themselves for however many years, and there's no need for them to when there's 100+ other characters to pick from.

>>8183810

STB 1/2 and Fairy Wars are only spinoff minigames. In the actual Touhou games Reimu has always been playable and Marisa has always been playable except in the first game. And in many of them they are the ONLY playable characters, which is completely retarded.

>>8183829

I agree that there should be more options than just Marisa and Reimu, but I still think they should always be kept as playable in the main games. Don't forget they are ZUN's favourite characters, and he's creating the games for fun, so he'll obviously keep them as main characters.

>7 new lolis every game"
>lolis
They are fine young maidens, fuckwit

Guys, hey guys! Just imagine...
Ok guys just imagine! Nothing serious, really. What if!
What if in the nearest future, I-i mean...

What if the next touhou games are set in the future where Reimu and Sanae are already dead and Marisa may have become a Youkai magician. What if the main cast is completely replaced with new or possibly already existing girls?

>>8183829
Nice dismissal of the .x games as not being "actual Touhou games".

>>8183872

Shit.

>>8183872
Are you trying to be retarded? Stop just stop.

>>8183872

Touhou characters are eternally young. If ZUN is still making those games 30 years from now, they will be as young and badly drawn.

>>8183872
This is a terrible idea. Though I do wonder if ZUN will actually age the (human) characters as time passes. I'm okay with non-ageing to an extent, but I don't want to have to pretend Touhou 6-37 all happened in the same year.

>>8183877

But they aren't.

>>8183913
Just don't think about it.

I would be okay with an aging process, if only a slow one. It's like watching your daughters grow up.

>>8183781
Which explains the constant influx of SDM fanworks, right?

>>8183913
>I do wonder if ZUN will actually age the (human) characters as time passes.

It's already established that he isn't and won't.

Forever 1X years old

>>8183934
No, but it explains why they're so repetitive.

...actually, it doesn't explain anything, it was just a rhetorical device on my part.

>>8183940
They're growing up and developing as characters.

That feel when the Touhous are half your age and have accomplished a lot more than you.

Well all authors have to deal with the aging choice as their series start to drag out. Didn't the Touhou characters mature somewhat between the PC-98 games and EoSD?
At least they're not stuck in eternal high school.

>>8183962
was thinking about that
feels bad man

>>8183962
Actually, most Touhous are tens and hundreds times my age.

>>8183971
>Didn't the Touhou characters mature somewhat between the PC-98 games and EoSD?

They just changed appearances randomly. Or rather, ZUN took their names and put them on different characters. It did mean growing up to an adult size for Alice, though.

The last Touhou game Zun makes, "Touhou 24: Ragnarok of Ending Dream", will have a fatalistic, canon 'everyone dies' ending. The story will be an epic covering the last year of the Gensokyo wars, 20 years after the events of the last game.
In the very end Marisa manages to save Reimu's child by turning herself into a youkai, thereby consigning herself to fade away with the withering Gensokyo.
The credits will end with Zun's smiling face backgrounding the words "How do you like that character development?"

ZUN should make another game having to do with the Scarlet Devil Mansion. We can never get tired of SDM. Maybe add a new character or two as well.

>>8183789
>>8183778
Sanae should get her own game as the main character! You guys all know it should happen. She's been pretty important over the last few games and is right behind Reimu and Marisa as most important.

>>8186032
ZUN adds a third Scarlet sister. She was always there, but nobody ever bothered mentioning her until now.

>>8186131
Locked in the attic for five hundred and five years.

>>8186131
>Nobody ever knew
Everyone knows about Neko Scarlet. She's my favorite touhou.

I think he should flesh the characters out a tiny bit more, but then there wouldn't be "Everyone has their own version Gensokyo" with concrete character traits.

Maybe do what he did in terms of the Silent Sinner in Blue series, have a few canon works for each game or make the Perfect Momento Vol.2

I want Rika from the PC-98 series to be brought back so she will get fanart, and I can make a `Which Rika would you fuck?' thread with extremely lewd pictures of both (important) Rikas.

>>8186179 already said it but fleshing out existing characters would just cause conflict with the existing fan interpretations. Take the whole Momiji and Aya don't really get along thing or Letty's interview where a certain ice fairy was mentioned. Adding new characters for the fandom to play with is really the safest and easiest thing that can be done.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for a game (that isn't a fighting game or spinoff ala StB) where only existing characters are included and fleshed out. I just don't see it really happening. But at least we're given side stories such as SSiB or CoLA that work with existing characters.

You will never play as Rinnosuke. ;_;

I'd like to see more slice-of-life canon works about the characters just living their daily lives. Nothing that will develop their characters too concretely, just nice supplemental material.