/jp/ - Otaku Culture

because why the fuck not?

>>8088055

Because otaku only buy shit when they can fap over it with their fat greasy hands.

It wasn't expected to popular, so he threw in (Horrible) H-Scenes to try and make it popular.

(Or he wouldn't have the support needed unless it was an Eroge.)
Also,
>>>/a/
Will probably be the recommendation of the day.

>>8088055
>For money? Attention? Because it was being sold at Comiket which is known for porn?
Because it needed to fall into a category with avid followers and enthusiasts. Considering the low production values, it would most likely have gone under the radar of most of everyone. But the eroge followers at least looked at it due to being in the same catalog as their other interest titles, and possibly thought, hey, vampires and magic, and I can give that a shot.

Li Shuwen can end the Holy Grail War in 1 day. Discuss.

>>8088069
He doesn't even have a wikipedia page.

Denied.

The eroge market is sometimes seen as an early stepping stone because it has enough dedicated people who splurge money into it.
Utawarerumono's story is kinda similar, apparently the author wanted to just make a strategy game but he was convinced to release it as eroge first to build up a fanbase and move from there.

You're too used to the idea that sex is somehow something to be kept in the closet. It's just another part of life, like eating breakfast.

However, I do agree that the particular timing in the Type-Moon works was quite jarring. So yes, sales was a factor, but rather than to gain attention, it is to prevent attention. Many eroge purchasers expect h-scenes and refuse to buy ones that don't have any. To not include sex scenes would be what would grab attention in a negative way to the market. Of course, after it became more popular and spawned animes and spinoffs it had a wider market so it didn't need to rely on such perceptions anymore.

Also, while I felt their presence were unnecessary, it makes sense in Fate universe, which is heavily based on mythology. Semen was believed in some countries to have magical properties and was the source of life. Therefore, it makes perfect sense for it to be the currency of mana exchange.

>>8088082
Or it was just advertising to its fanbase because Nasu can read the future!

>NEET/Otaku/Weeaboo is a magus!
>Furious Masturbation
>Bottle Results
>Sell to the market
>Get big bucks because Magus are rich
>Continue passion, repeat cycle, never work a day in your life.

>>8088055
Ok, there's 2 good things about FS/N.

One of them is having sex with king Arthur for no other reason than saving the life of hundreds if not thousands.

And the other is this part, pic related, that made me burst in laught for a good 5 minutes that made me lose my boner, but worth it

So if you remove the sex what remains?
An angsty protagonist trying to save the world from an enemy that still he doesn't know, cooking scenes about they argue about who has the privilege to make dinner tonight and at the end the MC pooping swords out of nowhere to give finnals that couldn't be classified as nothing else than "Deus ex machina".

To make FS/N good they should had:
-Remove Shiro and put someone like Rance.
-Remove Caster scenes that doesn't involve Kuzuki Souichirou (Estoic motherfucker was cool).
-Give Lancer 500% more scenes
-Remove fucking assasin(fake)
-1000% more FUCKING Kotomine Kirei
-Gil is ok like it was, but give him some pride in his death in HF
-Remove Sakura or make her totally evil so she get murdered in the end
-Zouken is ok
-Shinji should twice as smart and half as douche so he can get something interestant going.
-Rin Half as bitchy or twice as erotic.
-Pooping swords out of nowhere is no longer an option despite how fucked may be the MC.

>>8088136

Your ideas are terrible and you should feel terrible.

>>8088136
This post is so retarded I feel more retarded after reading it.

>>8088136
If you want to watch Bleach no one is stopping you.

>>8088136
go back your /a/ narutard

>>8088143
>>8088157
>>8088163
>>8088184
Seriously, is like I'm in Type Moon forums back in 2007

>>8088204
No one has said anything about Shiki killing servants.
Yet.

>>8088082

OP here. Actually I didn't mind them. I was just more surprised that their later works have kept them omitted. I guess that's what happens when you became a famous publisher.

I guess what originally got me was Nasu wrote the Kara no Kyoukai novels and those didn't have any in it, so I guess it was just surprising when I saw them in Tsukihime and F/SN.

Not a big deal was just curious.

>>8088080

Ah I didn't know this. I guess that someone makes sense. Put porn in a game so that the consumers at least LOOK at your product. And if they buy it so much the better.

It might be somewhat of a hit or miss deal, but honestly, to argue to replace/remove Shirou honestly wouldn't serve much purpose.

He is a huge centerpiece of most of all plotpoints going on in the entire story, and his ideals and tidbits surrounding them as well as the past and outlook on the future is what the focus lies on, and in one way or another, the core of all routes respectively.

You can't really remove that and call it the same work, or even the same kind of work.
Now, I might argue that F/SN could have been a great Otome game, but if such changes were made, then honestly, it wouldn't even resemBLE F/SN anymore. If anything, the premise of young girls and bishies to summon even more bishie males from legend and a couple of prideful women with bishies behind them, all pinned up in a fabulous magical ritual, could have made up for a great otome game. but that's not really what F/SN is, so it wouldn't really be a change, it would simply be something else.

Shirou is most likely in one way or another, connected to the main reasons the majority of the peoople who likE F/SN actually like it, even, if, they perhaps don't directly enjoy the portrayal of the character in question.

Personally, I think watching the MC getting sucked off by King Arthur is a little touch that makes FSN FSN.

>>8088222
Oh, fuck Type Moon Complex. Fuck it to hell.

>>8088234
I guess it's just the medium and attached expectations. Eroges are expected to have sex scenes, light novels usually aren't.

Speaking of Kara no Kyoukai, like it F/SN was originally supposed to have a female protagonist as well. That's the real reason for the whole "Why is King Arthur a girl? Japan loves genderbending!" Saber was originally written as a guy, it's Shirou that was the girl.

But with a larger audience, they felt the main audience might be unable to relate to a female protagonist, so they swapped their genders. I wonder how the h-scenes through the routes would have gone if they kept their original genders...

>>8088258
Deal with it nerd.

>>8088261
If they made the MC exactly like Shirou and kept in the whole Archer plot-twist we'd have one of the manliest female characters of all time.

Imagine a girl fist fighting Kotomine.

>>8088260
If you want to be enraging, at least post the page where Shiki and Arcueid make a pose like they were in Seed Destiny.

>>8088234
KnK is in novel form, not game. Probably less need to include ero to gain an audience there. Doujin VNs without sex wouldn't have sold in the 90s when Tsukihime came out.

And don't forget all the rape in Tsuukaku Zanryuu. Hell, the movie opens on a rape scene.

I wish CANAAN would get remade as a full game with Canaan/Maria and Alphard/Liang ero in it.

>>8088268
But that's not a very nice thing to do.

>>8088222
It's ok, Shiki can get a doujin or two about him being awesome.

After all, his series doesn't get multiple new projects every year.

>>8088284
I wonder why they don't work more with Tsukihime. I guess it's just Saber sucking in so many people.
Tsukihime has so much more to work with as well. 5th grail war is already over, I don't know what there is to expand in Fate universe.

>>8088267
Why did I read that as "Imagine a girl fisting Kotomine"?

Do you think the glasses on girl!Shirou did anything? More mystic eyes?

>>8088298

Plenty, seeing as how Fate and Tsukihime share the same setting.

>>8088308
Suck a million dicks.
Female MC's are complete shit.
Glad this franchise didn't end up as otome.
Female fans already ruined anime.

>>8088308
If they had Shirou as the Shirou we know but with a vagina the game would have been pretty awesome. Dat Archer fight.

Does anyone have any pictures of Alpha!Shirou as Archer?

>>8088298
Tsukihime remake when?

>>8088372
It's being released in a bundle with Half Life 2 Episode 3 and season two of Firefly.

Going to buy Tsukibako. 15,000 yen, I can go without food for a while...

Seriously I got this game just to fap but when I read the epilogue it really got me into story, I guess those kind of approach works too.

>>8088267
>Imagine a girl fist fighting Kotomine.
Watch out for them knockers, they are sharp, and punching them could be your downfall.

>>8088234
Kara no Kyoukai has sex as well.
You didnt see Fujino getting raped? She is proto-Sakura after all. The reason why people play EROGE is for the ERO.
Without ERO, it is just another powerpoint book with pretty music. I cannot imagine Tsukihime without the sex scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0knwEYRufQ&feature=related

Also, semen has always been use for witchcraft and mana transfer. You didnt watch Bible Black?
Ero is not holding back the medium. The medium exists because of ero.
If you want real literature, just fucking read a book.

>>8088645
It's funny because "real" japanese literature is full of sex and eroticism as an established tradition as well.

>>8088261
Interesting.
Persona 3 was originally supposed to have a female protag as well, but they ended up ditching that for the same reasons.

Feels almost like a trend among japanese writers.

why no one mention sakura?

You can't even read Sherlock Holmes without special Orders/Cults doing mana transfers and contracts through sex.

rin rin rin as the protagonist would have been better. I would be okay with female shirou - rin lesbo sex as well. why japan why?

>>8089030
Yurishit is boring and they know it.

>>8088728
They were out of time and/or resources iirc. They added her back in the PSP version anyway.

Why didn't they just collect every male in the town and harvest their semen every day? You'd have the strongest servant, easily.

>>8089030

Because yurishit is shit

>>8089050
That's probably what Caster did. She sucked them to the bones, literally.

Problem: semen from muggles doesn't amount to much.

a lot of manga artists get their starts doing porn related stuff. once they get a fanbase they can either transition out of it or continue doing it.

>>8089259
>transition out of it
STOP REMINDING ME TO AIR GEAR AND MAKEN-KI!
THEY SHOULD'VE STAYED WITH DOING PORN
ALL MY HATE FOR THOSE LOST BONERS

>why eroge have ero
Fucking stupid question.

I totally agree with OP, Fate/stay night is a fairly solid work that doesn't really need ero-scenes.

I personally don't like ero-scenes because I like to read VNs while I eat. Looking at somebody's ass while I eat makes メシがまずくなる.

I really enjoyed the anime, because I felt that it had a stronger emotional effect on me. I felt the most profound heartache when Sabre had to depart from Shirou after all that build-up.

Fuck that, I would've been happy with a mediocre but heartwarming Mirai Nikki ending where they just come together through some bullshit asspull.

How come they didn't put Last Episode in the anime.

>>8089371
Realta Nua didn't exist at the time.

>>8088267
>>8088308
>>8088343

Ayaka Sajyou was nothing like Shirou. Her personality was more like Rin. She would have been a full magus, no broken anything, no UBW.
Rin was more like Mitsuzuri at the time. The Archer that she summoned was Gilgamesh, not future-Ayaka. She was to be the final boss of sorts.

And while she's cute, she looks bland as fuck.

>>8088055
>Why back then did Nasu (if it was his choice) choose to include ero-scenes in Tsukihime and F/SN when the story could have easily done without them?

>For example, Hisui and Tohaku are synchronizers whose are able to give power through the exchange of bodily fluids. So blood, saliva, and of course sexual intercourse. But doesn't that last one just sound like a cheap excuse to add porn into your game? It could have easily been done with just drinking blood or spit-swapping.

>Naturally the same thing with F/SN. In the "fate" route Shirou can give Saber more "essence" by having sex with her; but once again that just seems like a cop-out excuse for the author himself because he couldn't think of anything else.

>I guess the tl;dr version is: Since later Type-Moon's series and spin-offs have sold ridiculous amounts now without the inclusion of adult content, why were they included in their first big works?

>For money? Attention? Because it was being sold at Comiket which is known for porn?

That's exactly why i don't feel like reading it.
I don't particularly like ero scenes, but if they add something to the story I don't mind. But in FS/N it feels so forced and cheap it's not even funny.
Yes, I agree that EROgames are called erogames because of ero. But it didn't need to be one. It could have been just a SFW visual novel.
Porn is good in games about generic male protagonist suddenly transferring to an all girls school and suddenly being ultra popular with everyone. But a series with actual story which doesn't rely on porn like FS/N could do very well without it. And definitely not if it's in a form of a cheap throw in just to appeal to a bunch of drooling otakus who need to fap furiously or else they are not able to enjoy anything.

The thing that amuses me the most in FSN is how there always needs to be some kind of a magical compulsion or other such excuse for sex.

No matter how much they're in love with each other, the characters never fuck just because. There's always some magical this or mana transfer that.

>>8089559

Just ctrl through the scenes, god damn.

I don't know if I'm right here but how do I install the tsukihime vn on my psp?

I just got my psp today and wanted to put some vns on it.

Sorry for copying and pasting this from an other thread,but I need to know the answer.

>>8089371
>after all that build-up.
Yet it failed to include the story's climax, or properly portray the nature of the protagonist or the underlying conflicts of the heroine.

>>8089588

>properly portray the nature of the protagonist or the underlying conflicts of the heroine.

Wut, I thought the anime was a little excessive in this aspect compared to fate.

>>8089559
It's funny because the FSN ero scenes aren't really made for fapping. The dialogue, the narration, it's pretty obvious it wasn't fap fodder and he tried to actually insert sex into the story without making it simple masturbation aid.

>>8089593
Excessive how? It had alot less content overall, and missed many, important scenes. Including, but not limited to, dreams, flashbacks, dialogues in which his outlook on the world is actually confronted, and not to be speaking of, Fate's climax.

>>8089559
Not all Eroge, are, for fapping. Despite the apparent ero included.

People bitching that babby's first VN has H? If you want to see bad forced in H, play a Key title.

>>8089620
Tears to Tiara, was, horrible in this aspect.
All of a sudden, H encounters abound! With any female in range, even those newly met!

>>8089620

but clannad didn't have any H at all, even when they had sex.

>>8089627
Demon King swag

>>8089605
If they are not meant for fapping and are not the effect of the character development then I don't know why they are there.

>>8089627

Are you not disappoint that there's no Ilyasviel scene?

>>8089633

it's a bait and switch tactic solely to attract the eroge-market

>>8089629
You must be new? You do know they have made more than just Clannad right? You must truly only play Babby's First VN.

>>8089633
Eroges can sell for like $100+ in Japan. Regular Visual Novels sell for less and are less popular.

>>8089633
They are there because it's an eroge, and they serve as a device to develop the relationship between the protagonist and the heroine.
Repeat with me, it's a fucking eroge.
Do you expect racing games without cars?
"Well but they could run with fucking motorbikes instead of cars they're cooler!"
BUT IT'S A FUCKING CAR RACING GAME

Jesus Christ, did all the /a/ summerfags switch to /jp/ or something? Normally you guys at least know VNs outside of TYPE-MOON shit and Clannad.

>>8089654

Hello, member of /a/.

/jp/ has discussed Type-Moon non-stop for its entire existence.

Thank you, good night.

>>8089654

my powerlevel is higher than your's because I read solely non-H VN

also what the fuck are you talking about, this board was always /jp/ - 2hu and TYPEMOONfags

>>8089654
Maybe they're discussing Type-Moon because this is a Type-Moon thread.

Crazy, I know.

>>8089664
> I read solely non-H VN
all three of them?

>>8089659
No I don't mean that. It's just painfully obvious most of this thread has played nothing else.

Nasu is a pathetic excuse for an author OP

The original draft of F/SN was completely different, and he discharged it because he didn't appeal the otaku audience enough. What kind of author does it.

>>8089690
Many authors. A lot of them wouldn't be publishing anything if they didn't need money to live.

>>8089664
Is that bread?

>>8088267
>And while she's cute, she looks bland as fuck.

Nothing like Shirou, that extraordinary character design

>>8089701

Shirou is my hazubando

>>8089701
at least he doesn't have brown or black hair

>>8089698


Nasu was already popular as fuck back then. If he wanted, he could have published that without problems. There are a lot of VNs that aren't otome with female mc.

He's just a pussy.

>>8089710
Most likely he just took the advice of someone else he trusted. You're in this deluded world where every writer who doesn't take his writing really really seriously is a waste of time. People are different, you know.

>>8089710
Yeah I mean, not willingly reducing a game's widespread appeal because of some insecure fucker who cringes when there's boobs in his pirated porn game? Fucking pussies.

>>8089646
Except they are not. Every game in Japan is +$90 at start.
Also, take a quick look at this:

http://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating

Out of ten best rated games, 5/10 are not erogames at all, and 4/5 of those which debuted as erogames were given all ages adaptation later.
I wonder why, really..maybe because no ero=wider audience, not the other way around?
Unless you argue that no ero = no popularity amongst erogame market. With that i can agree.

>>8089648
missing the point enirely.jpg
Also, cars in racing games are crucial for the plot. Porn in FS/N isn't.

>>8089723
using vndb ratings while talking about the japanese market is about as retarded as it comes

>>8089723
>VNDB
No.

>>8089723
Neither is cooking. Or comedy for that matter. Why does everything need to be crucial to the plot? Frankly I find comedy in dark situations more out of place than sex.

Honestly, if I write sex into the next story I work on that isn't centered on romance, I'll treat it like any other daily grind activities. Eat, play a game, post on not!/jp/, sex, go back to sleep. Characters rolls mental dices to decide randomly but falls back asleep out of boredom. Nothing out of the ordinary. To hell with prudishness!

Also, sex IS crucial to the plot of Heaven's Feel.

>>8089723
>Porn in FS/N isn't.
A lot of things aren't crucial for the plot if you want to be anal about it. Slice of life scenes? Random talking while fighting? Sex with the heroine has more relationship development then either of those. The only reason it gets removed at all is because of prudes like you who panic at the idea of having to see graphic sex because they might be criticized for it.

>>8089749
>>8089750

No, it's better to talk out of our asses.
It may not 100% mirror Japanese tastes, but what was the last visual novel that Japan didn't care much that became a huge hit in the west?

>>8089786
Umineko

>>8089786
>It may not 100% mirror Japanese tastes, but what was the last visual novel that Japan didn't care much that became a huge hit in the west?
It doesn't really work that way, you're conveniently leaving out games that are at the top of multiple charts while being full of ero, like Sengoku Rance

>>8089786
The numbers on say, Getchu, or something, is quite notably different. All while popular titles may remain popular, the charts are, very, different.

VNDB really is a western thing. And well, not really better at Japanese VNs, than say, Gamefaqs in on Doujin games.

>>8089786
Yeah and it received an anime adaptation, manga adaptation, console ports, spin off game and has 35 000 fanarts on pixiv because of western fanbase

>>8089763
But the thing is, it's not a couple who has sex just because they love each other. Or not even two people who do it just because. It works like:
>oh noes! no mana! how add mana?!
>I know a way
>How?!
>Sex!

>>8089769
Once again, I don't mind sex itself. But sex in FS/N is just a stupid deus ex machina.

This guy is almost worse than that Alicesoft idiot.

>>8089819
The AS guy is funny at least
>sorry good sir, may I ask what didn't you enjoy from that piece of crap caled daiteikoku?

>>8089816
Again, there's plenty of history linking semen and magic powers, it fits with the setting.
> Or not even two people who do it just because
Are you seriously complaining he didn't just put sex in it "just because" but actually tried to find an explanation for it, after complaining the sex wasn't crucial to the plot?
This is distilled retardation.

>>8089816
>Yeah and it received an anime adaptation, manga adaptation, console ports, spin off game and has 35 000 fanarts on pixiv because of western fanbase

You say not as well received.
Umineko didn't even sell 1/10 of Higurashi and every ports bombed.
The only reason it got a lot of art in pixiv is because it managed to attract a solid female fanbase.

>>8089816
> it's not a couple who has sex just because they love each other.
this is just Fate's first scene
in UBW Rin liked him since forever and is using the mana thing as much as an excuse as anything, in Heaven's Feel Sakura is the same, hell by Fate's second scene even Saber loves him
you're stupid

>>8089805
>>8089807

Okay, it may be the case. But my point was that those titles, which aspire to leave the otaku zone and gain a wider audience, are either SFW to begin with or have their contents cut.
Sengoku Rance is nowhere near FS/N in terms of general popularity and FS/N would never gain as much popularity if it wasn't for anime, manga and numerous spin offs.

>>8089833
>You say not as well received.
>Umineko didn't even sell 1/10 of Higurashi and every ports bombed.
>The only reason it got a lot of art in pixiv is because it managed to attract a solid female fanbase.

I know it bombed comparing to Higurashi. But manga sells well enough to continue adapting every arc one by one, even the tips. The console port sold poorly, but it was enough to warrant the continuation and further psp ports. Even the fighting game got ported and is getting a sequel.
Would they really care so much if it wasn't worth it?
I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to make anime S2 too.

>>8089836
>Are you seriously complaining he didn't just put sex in it "just because" but actually tried to find an explanation for it, after complaining the sex wasn't crucial to the plot?
>This is distilled retardation.

No. I wouldn't like that either. But somehow fuck buddies feel more natural than "we must fuck so my semen will replenish your magical points".
But okay, you think it's justified and that's cool.

>>8089876
Why? Because I'm not fond of making up such convenient deus ex machina as an excuse so protagonists cock can score more pussy ?
Damn.

I just found the sex scenes pointless. I've only played a few routes in Tsukihime and F/SN. The story was enough. Really it was, I love Tsukihime's story a lot. Fate/Stay Night not as much but it's still a very in depth story. To think of any, I suppose sex with Arcueid wasn't so bad since she and Shiki really seemed to care for one another but with Saber it was really uncomfortable to watch. Also, why do they always have to have a hymen? I'm sick of seeing blood come out of the vaginas. Hymens can be broken in other ways too, even rigorous field hockey or something. Seeing the blood come out grosses me out really. I like nosebleeds but not hymen blood.

quality thread

>>8089921
Only a woman wouldn't understand why the hymen is important.

>>8089939
Okay, I know you guys need purity and all that.

>>8089816
>But sex in FS/N is just a stupid deus ex machina.
Is it wrong to have been born from "stupid deus ex machina"?

>>8089824
Good evening sir, it seems you just took an opportunity to cheap shoot someone first, and then a game you didn't like because it wasn't casual enough. May I ask you to consider sticking to your casual easy as noob games while I play games with anti-noobish gameplay? Or in any case, could you explain your opinion? It's easy to just cheap shoot and insult a game that didn't accept a noob getting their hands on it, but please remember not every game is a button smash fest. Of course this is just my point of view on the games you probably play, a bit of speculation really, after all you have yet to give an explanation on why you dislike Daiteikoku.
Very well then, signing off for now, an Anonymous /jp/ poster.

>>8089921
We've got an expert here, don't fall for it.

>>8090104
Okay, I guess you can't handle my input. I don't think anyone is upset over it but you.

>>8089055
Rin/Saber/Archer thr.eeway. Ohhhhh yeah

Antiflood bump.