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Strong enough.

>>8059008
Mary Sue

Considering she can float away and take no damage forever, pretty powerful.

>>8059018
Reimu is hardly a Mary Sue.

She's lazy, short tempered, and impious. Not exactly outstanding qualities for a Miko.

>>8059029

how is she impious

>>8059020
But she can't do damage on the level of the other high end Touhous.

It's like having Avalon: you can never die as long as you hide behind it, but you aren't winning the fight either.

>>8059035
Obviously, she's secretly an imp.

>>8059037
While she can't do high damage, she can still do damage. Being able to do damage plus invulnerability for an unlimited time is still winning any fight.

>>8059020

DAT NIP SLIP

She never goes all out, who know's but she has some good battling experience and something more, pic related.

>>8059035
Well she doesn't treat deities such like Yama or Kanako with much respect does she.

And how much of her time is spent in prayer and meditation?

>>8059048

Yama isn't a deity. Reimu is not obligated to Kanako because Yukari is the Hakurei god.

She spends time in prayer when she needs to: SSiB

>>8059043
>unlimited time

Full baka.

>>8059036
Why would tripcode user use this image of dying Reimu?

>>8059020
too lewd

>>8059057
>Yukari is the Hakurei god.
I seriously wish you were like, submerged in a vat of acid or something. Fuck. Jesus christ. God damn.
Holy shit.

>>8059061
I interpret it as Reimu deciding to listen to the ground.

She throws paper amulets with enough force to shatter huge boulders and pierce tank armor. She's likely the strongest human that ever lived, and that's without even taking her magic powers into account.

>>8059057
>Yama isn't a deity.

Yes she is.

A Yama is a god, both to Buddhists and Hindus.

>>8059065
Those in glass houses

>>8059071

The purpose of the Hakurei Shrine is to uphold the Hakurei border.

Yukari is the border god, and cares very much for the well-being of Gensokyo. She's also fond of Reimu.

Problem?


>>8059075

Nobody prays to Yama. Japanese Buddhists don't pray to deities other than ascended Buddhas.

>>8059057
Yukari isn't a god..... And Yama's are considered deities.... Hakurei doesn't have a god it's devoted to or it has never been shown at the least.

Plot armor aside, she's probably around the high end level in terms of feats. While she isn't as destructive as say Suika, her ability to float away from reality and MAINTAIN IT AS LONG AS SHE PLEASES, basically makes her hacks.

>>8059057
I was thinking about bitching at the secure tripfag for posting nonsense, but damn sonny, you make poopslimer look good.

>>8059067
Pretty sure those talismans only do the damage they do because they are magic; it's not like she can throw normal pieces of paper hard enough to crack skulls.

>>8059088
To be fair, there are far fewer restrictions on what can be considered a shinto god than in most other religions; basically anything with a soul is eligible.

>>8059082
>Japanese Buddhists don't pray to deities other than ascended Buddhas.

Careful buddy, Buddhism is so decentralized there's no way you can make a statement like that.

Also, take a look at Japanese Buddhist icons. You'll see a lot of Buddhists deities depicted other than Buddhas.

Oh, and Yukari is a fucking youkai, she isn't a god.

>>8059082

>>8059008

she is a teenage girl

meaning if you are a man you can brutally rape her

>>8059092

If the Enma is a deity, Yukari is also a god damned deity.

>>8059090
right, it's an animistic faith and everything has a soul: rocks, trees, rivers

so to Shintos there are basically an unlimited number of gods

>>8059088
I've always wondered if Yukari could use some sort of prepared move to counter that move.

>>8059097
That doesn't even begin to make sense.
Even if you're using a power level is higher so she's also a god argument, which I hope you aren't.

>>8059097
No.

Youkai are demons, not deities.

>>8059097
NO! That's fucking stupid. You're fucking stupid. Youkai are not deities. Get it through your thick skull.

>>8059085

>>8059109
>>8059115
>>8059116

Alice became a youkai because she increased her powerlevel. She attained immortality through ascension.

Same applies to god ascension. I'm going to ask my professor for material to support this fact.

plot armor aside, how strong is Marisa?

>>8059141
That's fucking retarded. Please stop it.

Reimu never had plot armour, Goddamn, you sound like TVTropes.

If anything, she beat up gods before the spellcard rules were made, IN also says she has a bunch of other abilities besides warping away from reality that she doesn't want to use because she dislikes showoffs (that includes Fantasy Heaven).

Basically you can't say a 100% certain verdict about her or most other Touhous due to the spe~llcard rules and lack of in-canon power comparison.

>>8059141
yeah too bad youkai aren't necessarily immortal

>>8059141
Youkai are not deities, Yukari is the maintainer of the border along with Reimu because the former was the one who created the barrier with the first Hakurei miko. If Yukari were the deity then she'd be nothing but a non-physical entity capable of only transmiting its current mood, which we know she's not. There's also the fact that the ACTUAL Hakurei deity has been mentioned a bunch of times, like in Reimu C's good MoF ending, Reimu B's (or was it A?) UFO ending and CoLA.

>>8059151
Well it's not plot armor per say, but any victory she's had over a stronger opponent say Yukari or Shinki is usually cause they aren't actually fighting seriously.
>>8059102
And most like yes, Yukari could do something about Fantasy Heaven. Border between Reality and insert phrase here or something.

We need to create a powerlevel chart of all the Touhous.

With Lunarians at the top, and Yuuka and Yukari coming in on second tier.

>>8059184
Yama is at the top.

Then Yukari, Eirin, Yuka, and the oni.

Plot armor? Nope, you can die in the game on any of the touhou games I'm aware of. I mean, you'd have to be trying, but still.

>>8059175
>but any victory she's had over a stronger opponent say Yukari or Shinki is usually cause they aren't actually fighting seriously.

What? Where did you get that from? Her powers were explicitly said by ZUN in HRtP that they could damage gods themselves, which Shinki is and there's no reason for her to not fight seriously since she said she was going to kill Reimu and therefore implode Gensokyo and its inhabitants into nothingness. Anything post-MS cannot be considered as any display of real powers since the spellcard rules were implemented and they make everyone have a fair chance against everyone else so you can't say that Yukari was ''fighting seriously'' or not, because she couldn't have done either way, although she does tease often in spellcard battles.

>>8059184
We cannot do that, nothing has been specified or compared by ZUN.

All of those charts that have been made before are fanwank.

>>8059200
get the stick out of your ass anon, fanwank is fun

>>8059191

Why is Eirin up there. IN is easy as fuck.

>>8059194

>Allow me to interject, but if you were to closely examine appendices A and B, you would know for FACT, that Yukari was not indeed acting in such a manner. This is canonically accepted, therefore your opinion is objectively wrong and you should refrain from projecting your false opinions and shoving it down our collective throats which does indeed infuriate Gensokyo scholars such as me.

>>8059192
>die

That's impossible, danmaku can't kill.

And ''plot armor'' is when the weakling character (usually the main) manages to beat an entity much more stronger than itself _without explanation for its powers or how he/she managed to beat _. In this case, Reimu is not a weakling and she DOES have an explanation, her orbs and ofuda (I'm guessing her needles too) have been said to have the power to fight on par with gods, which is kind of what a shrine maiden is supposed to be related to (that'd be communicating instead of fighting, although Reimu can trance too).

>>8059210
Secondary detected.

>>8059220

Playing touhou and not reading supplementary sources is now secondary?

>>8059210
>Why is Eirin up there. IN is easy as fuck.

in game difficulty has no bearing on a character's power level

and Eirin is easily the most powerful magic user in touhou

>>8059210
>Why is Eirin up there.

He probably put her up there because he thinks being really old is power.

>>8059224
That's not supplementary, that's in-game info.

>>8059225

>in game difficulty has no bearing on a character's power level

Okay.

>>8059225
>and Eirin is easily the most powerful magic user in touhou

Where did you get that from? She's not even a magician, she's just highly knowledgeable in the field of medicine and science.

>>8059225
>and Eirin is easily the most powerful magic user in touhou
>>8059228

Yeah a source would be nice. Where does it say that Eirin is even good at danmaku.

>>8059230
Not the same guy but uh, you can't treat how hard a character is in-game as proof of power.

>>8059233
>She's not even a magician

lunarians invented magic (or at least they claim so)

and if she isn't a magician, how did she put the entire planet inside of a magic pot

which wasn't even one of her strongest spells

no one ever gives poor Eirin any credit power level wise

>>8059249
I'll just answer this with one word.

Source?

>>8059249

If Eirin is so strong how come a human like Mokou is the extra

>>8059254

Eirin using the rice cooker Dragon Ball seal is canon.

>>8059258
How is using an artifact a proof of one's superior magic skills?

How can you get her exact ''power level''? How can you compare it to others'?

You can't, ZUN never stated anything about them and the spellcard rules made everyone be able to beat everyone else, hopefully that would have stopped powerlevel discussions but it didn't because people are hungry for these useless facts.

seriously people, enclosing the entire planet in a big space jar is one of Eirin's B spells

>>8059272
That's a spellcard, not something that really happened you know, every Touhou's spellcard's danmaku is a reflection of one's abilities made into a beautiful nigh-harmless (because they scratch clothes) pattern. It's like thinking Utsuho's suns in-battle are real suns.

>>8059254
uh, IN for starters

>Ah, you're talking about the moon?
>That's my master Eirin's strongest charm.
>It makes the Earth one giant, sealed chamber.
>Do you understand?

>But about that moon-sealing charm.
>I DO have stronger ones.

the thing about lunarians inventing magic comes from one of ZUN's books, let me look it up

>>8059258
as I just said, in game difficulty has no bearing on power level

>>8059280
>That's a spellcard, not something that really happened

haven't you played IN

>>8059287

>the thing about lunarians inventing magic comes from one of ZUN's books, let me look it up

What if Eirin is not even a Lunarian

>>8059296
she came from the moon (where lunarians live)

she's immortal, or at least extremely long lived (just like lunarians)

oh and the thing about lunarians inventing magic is something kaguya said, it's not in one of the books

Who


the fuck


cares?

>>8059307

Are you gaijin by any chance?

>>8059307
EIRIN DESERVES OUR LOVE

>>8059303

Sort of. Eirin is a lunarian, but she does come from earth.

>>8059293
I'm saying that the spellcard itself does not do anything, not that they didn't seal Earth beforehand.

Either way, you still cannot say that she's the ''most powerful magician'' because there's nothing concrete to compare nor is it comparable.

Eirin is a typical Japanese obasan. She even sings enka-style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqNXDCHSg3A

She may have a high powerlevel but she's just a mid-aged woman.

>>8059317
what? no she doesn't

Why won't you give her the respect she deserves /jp/?

>>8059331
Too busy staring at her ass.

>>8059331
This is not respect issue, this is nonsensical powerlevel discussion.

And by ''deserving'' that respect then so would every other Touhou, make that happen please.

>>8059151
>She beat up gods before the spellcard rules were made.

Then the spellcard rules were made not to protect the Shrine Maiden, but to give Youkai a chance to defeat her?.

Because you can danmaku-rape her in IN.

>>8059342
>Then the spellcard rules were made not to protect the Shrine Maiden, but to give Youkai a chance to defeat her?.

I'm not sure why you're adding the question mark.

>Because you can danmaku-rape her in IN.

Danmaku doesn't kill, spellcard rules were made so that any being could beat any other regardless of power (eg: Cirno can beat Yama), it's only a matter of skill and bullet dodging prowess that matters, which Reimu is good at.

>>8059331
Making super medicine doesn't really seem much when most touhous can split the planet in half by farting.

>>8059350
>I'm not sure why you're adding the question mark.

Because I thought it was the other way around.

>>8059324

Actually, she and several others of the older, higher ranking lunarians do. The lunar capital - which Eirin is a founder of - has only existed for slightly over 2000 years, and Eirin, Tsukiyomi and others are older than that.

Supposedly like Tsukiyomi, Eirin is another character from Japanese prehistory that has mistakenly been remembered as a deity, Eirin being Omohikane.

>>8059191
Any other ideas for lists of S ranked touhous?

Yukari and Yuka are pretty obvious, but what about the rest?

Suika is usually up there, which I guess means the other 3 devas of the mountain are too.

>>8059367
My bad, I forgot to mention both of them are correct, the youkai were scared to fight her both because a) She would beat them to a pulp and b) If she dies Gensokyo goes kerblooey.

>>8059379
>Yuka

I don't see why, she's only ''really powerful'' by Akyuu's mention, not that I think she's lying or anything by the way but there's no comparison made.

>>8059390
Yuka has the "ultimate magic"

Isn't Reimu a pop-eye?
As strong as the plot needs her to be.
A snail will nearly outrun her, but she can take on a train.

>>8059400
Tits?

>>8059409
>As strong as the plot needs her to be.

Reimu does not have plot armor, get it in your head.

>>8059414

Strong as the plot needs her to be, and plot armor is not the same thing.

Plot armor means somebody is inexplicably strong.

>>8059400
I'm guessing you got carried away by people around here, or the internet.

She only gets the ''ultimate magic'' in Shuusou Gyoku, which not only is not part of Touhou canon, but her route isn't as well.

Plus, even if she did have it, you can't say she's therefore more powerful than everyone else, Utsuho has the ''Ultimate Energy'' according to the manual yet you don't see her being invincible.

>>8059409
She's also a player character in a video game and they tend to beat everyone as a matter of course.

>>8059414
pop-eye had an explenation.
Spinach.

>>8059415
>Strong as the plot needs her to be

Then it doesn't make any sense, every character in every magic battle story is as strong as the plot wants them to be, Reimu's just powerful. Or are you implying she's invincible or something? Because she's the second Touhou who has been beaten the most.

>>8059390
Yuuka spends half of POFV floating about and beating people to a pulp for no reason and the other half bragging about it.

>>8059422
Reimu does have one, her family bloodline gives her powers over time and her ying yang orb has planet-destroying abilities.

>>8059423
Just like Pop-Eye.
And he could blow out the sun.

>>8059425
And? You seem to think that this proves something.

Have you forgotten that everyone else in that game does the exact same thing?

>>8059431
Popeye is beyond any Touhou's reach, stop comparing them.

>>8059439
Let them fight.
He would beat all up.
He would fucking lasso the sun to replicate the ying tang orbs Reimu has.

I find the fan works more interesting than the official works. Heh heh. I tried playing one of the games, I couldn't really get into it to be honest.

>>8059445
>suns

I know someone who could beat him.

Reimu can eat sweets without getting fat.

This is a god-tier power.

>>8059436
Nobody else is as incredibly smug about it as Yuuka. If you defeat her as Cirno, Cirno treats it as a near escape instead of a victory. When you fight Shikieiki at the end, Yuuka sees it as a way to prove who is the strongest in Gensokyo. She's also been an Extra boss. Her Akyuu profile says she's incredibly powerful but doesn't use it much.

Look, stop pretending everything in canon is lying. She's really powerful.

>>8059445
What would happen if a new youkai representing the power of vegetables appears? All vegetables and their nutritional value being a part/tool of hers which includes spinach?

>>8059455
OTP

>>8059447
Don't make him do it.
It would be a galaxy destructing battle.

>>8059452
I'm not saying it's all a lie, I'm saying that being a smug about her victories is no proof of her being superior to everybody, she's just a bully.

>>8059452
>She's also been an Extra boss

Why do people keep using this as an actual in-universe argument? Christ you're stupid.

>>8059455
She would need to be quick.
And she probably doesn't know about his powers before it's too late.

hey we're still talking about how Eirin is up there with Yukari and everyone in terms of power level right

>>8059463
Ah, good point, you got me. I guess I just wasn't thinking.

>>8059460
She's a bully who can back it up, is what I mean. She is so utterly unconcerned by the prospect of fighting it's hilarious.

>>8059476
She's not even close.

>>8059480
SHE IS TOO DAMMIT

>>8059479
That's called being a smug, it's by no means proof at all that she's stronger than everyone else.

>>8059463
Power is generally correlated with the kind of boss you are. There's nothing that canonically tells us that the average stage 1 boss is weaker than the average stage 5 boss but it can probably be assumed.

Reimu is an anime Miko and youkai hunter, so if it's against youkai, there's probably few that she couldn't actually kill if she wanted to with her shrine maiden powers. She also has powers related to manipulating barriers and borders, at least able to enclose areas in a loop like in IN and SA.

She also historically doesn't like training, so she gets by on natural skill i.e. she could be so much stronger.

So, if we take all doujin works (also, obviously, factoring in the canon stuff) in existence, who's the strongest Touhou character?

>>8059480
Yes she is.

>>8059493
Cirno.

>>8059455
I doubt that would work out well.

>>8059492
She trained for 10 minutes and was already able to channel the power of the gods.

>>8059428

The power to eat anything you like without ever getting fat.
The power to give off a pleasant fragrance.
The power to disguise your heirloom superweapons as a cat.

So you'll keep an awesome figure, but people will be less interested in your and more interested in why your cat smells like violets.

>>8059489
It's still irrelevant because there's no type of boss that's only ever the top grade. Extra bosses especially are a pretty wide range.

>>8059507
They could have their children have the same powers if they were to mate with Reimu, that's something at least.

>>8059565

True, most of the demonslaying hocus pocus is inherited. The spirit orbs are just a convenient piece of gear.

Well, most often convenient.

>>8059489
Yuyucow was a stage 1 boss in the last game, so the arguments behind the reasoning of Lvl5 boss > Lvl1 boss are obsolete.

>>8059945
That's because she's already proven her worth.

I guess I'm just so unused to having to argue that Yuuka is strong that I can't think of a way to do it.

why plot armor aside?

Reimu's as strong as ZUN wants her to be, unless you subscribe to the theory that fans all have their own conception of characters blah blah blah

in either case power level debates based on canon are worthless. If plot counts, she's invincible. If it doesn't, no point arguing with evidence.

>>8059955
Well, then let's determine how powerful a character is by how they are positioned in the fandom scale.

Just kidding, please don't kill me.

>>8059955
Yuuka is strong because she was playable and all playable characters are the strongest.

>>8059978
It makes no sense stating that then, because then it's the same as saying that all characters are as strong as ZUN wants them to be, you know, what naturally happens in a magic fantasy story, the creator does whatever he wants.

>>8059489
>>8059955
No it's not, that'd be saying that Yuugi is weaker than almost half the Touhou cast.

>>8060098
Yuugi is an exception. Please don't tell me that you're denying the trend that early bosses are weaker than latter ones.

>>8060106
What about Reimu?

And Marisa?

And the times you fought the the heroines in early PoFV/IaMP/SWR stages?

Come on anon, you can't make a trend something canon.

>>8060106
It's true but what can you show from that when talking about a particular character?