/jp/ - Otaku Culture

More stuff:

Lossless albums:
Ar tonelico Music Collection Torrent: http://www.bakabt.com/153236-ar-tonelico-music-collection.html
All tracks are encoded in FLAC format and include scans of covers and booklets. Torrent does not include AT3's Drama and Hymmnos Musical discs.

Alternative set of torrents:
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

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Mediafire Folder of Ar tonelico goodies:
http://www.mediafire.com/?rddbnsio6dayi

Contents:
- AT1-3 OST, Hymmnos Concerts
- AT1-2 Drama CDs, Hymmnos Musicals
- Utau Oka ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~ (Album)
- AT3 Artbook
- Offline AT2 Flash Cosmospheres
- AT3 Yokkora fan disc

* Original /jp/ content:
-- originspuke.jpg
-- Vectors of Install Points (.png and .svg)
-- Misc. Ar tonelico Vectors
-- No-fun-allowed Raki

you wouldn't have sexual thoughts about totori.

I've seen these threads for a while now, but I don't know anything about this game. What is it?

I bought my copy of Totori the day it was out.
Still didn't have the opportunity to try it.

What a cruel world.

>>8020553
Galge+RPG mix about a world where girls are some sort of android things, and they can cast magic through singing and you get into their minds to get better magic and shit.

Why is Totori so adorable?

>>8020562
When I got Totori, I had a giant backlog AND work to do.

I said fuck it, and started playing the thing until completion. I regret nothing. Now to Plat it...

>>8020564
Because.

>>8020567
not the guy you are replying to, but I want to plat rorona before I start on totori. I wonder if I should just use an ending master save.

I personally prefer the "Mir is a universe of miracles" edition.

>>8020610
I personally prefer the "Luca is a slut" editions way more.

Where do you get higher quality Water in Totori? I know you can get Rank C Water from that map with a Griffon and buy Rank B from Cecei's Shop but there's gotta be something better.

>>8020718
You can find it later on once you progress the story.
Also, is there a start to finish True end guide yet?

>>8020553
There's more than one game series being discussed in these threads. The Atelier games are generally about item gathering, crafting and character relationships set in a fantasy world. The Ar Tonelico games are similar, but less emphasis on gathering and crafting, more on RPGish plot, throw in some visual novel, and mix in more of a sci-fi setting.

>>8020718
Rank A from the well in Forgotten Village and Rank S from Far East Village if I recall.

Though Totori is cute and slutty, I prefer Rorona instead.

>>8020553
There's more than one game series being discussed in these threads.

Gust's mainstay series is the Atelier line of games, which can loosely be described as alchemy RPGs, with a focus on item gathering, crafting and character relationships in a fantasy setting. They're considered relatively light in combat compared to other RPG's, excepting the Atelier Iris and Mana Khemia subseries.

The Ar Tonelico series is similar in that it's an RPG with crafting elements, but much more emphasis is placed on character relationships, with VN style segments comprising an entire mode of gameplay. The games' music is also a big selling point with fans, and an integral part of the sci-fi setting.

I am just finished phase one of AT3 and I am very disappointed. Saki is an ok heroine but Finnel is god awful. She is trying to get at Tatsumi's cock and use him while using the MC. I wish Gust would stop with the slut heroines, AT2 was bad enough with heroines as you could get.

I just hope the third heroine won't be awful...

>>8021317
Too soon, it's still too soon.

so i'm playing totori. i've noticed that shit doesn't really happen except on prescribed dates. is that correct? i run around and do random quests til some shit actually happens whenever i go to town?

>>8021335
For the most part yeah, just do shit for your adventures license, get flags/scenes for whatever ending and enjoy the lack of pressure.

I haven't finished it though.

>>8021335
It actually does. I was at a loss too, after putting myself through True End in Rorona, Totorin was way too slack.

Anyway, just keep playing.

>>8020940
>The games' music is also a big selling point
"Big selling point" doesn't cut it.
More like "being sung to near a higher plane of existence".
Have some EXEC_CHRONICLE_KEY/.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTMQjjMGxes

>>8021317
I thought the 3rd one was pretty good, but keep playin as your opinion on the other two might just reverse.

>>8021407
Chronicle Key is overrated, EXEC_EP=NOVA is where it is at.

Did someone say MUSIC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSUaKHRz44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDAVnFXWsg

>>8021767
It's good, but it's no Hartes Ciel, Melenas Walasye

Wow, music is pretty good and actually got me interested in the games.

pcsx2 run well on wine, or does it already have a Linux native version?

>>8021834
you can compile it for linux just fine, did it myself a couple of days ago

>>8021335
That's only until you get your adventurer's license. Then, the game itself gets pretty awesome.

If you're playing the game for events, you're going to be heavily disappointed. But Totori~n's gameplay is incredibly fun, surprisingly, and whatever events happen along the way are just as entertaining.

Finished AT1 today.

I may forget the story and characters, but damn, the music is something different. Amazing.

Hymmnos isn't that hard to learn.

Vocabulary is a bit lacking on derogatory terms though.

>>8022242
I really wish I could just bake pies all day for Chim.

The equip synth system is frustrating though. When I first tried to equip synth, I really dunno which items to bring because the equipment doesn't what they need to be created, unlike in Rorona where it is slapped into your face when you synth.

>>8022310
I want to learn Japanese instead so I can read VNs without waiting for translations...

>>8022315
I wanted to abuse the Chims at first. They're just like touhou yukkuris.

I love them now though, especially when they roll around on the floor. I wouldn't force feed them pie until they explode anymore.

I wish atelier games had a 'free play' mode where you could just live the life of a little girl free of deadlines ;_;

>>8022315
There's always wholesale of pies, which I personally abuse to keep my Chims in constant movement.

>>8022335
It's honestly surprising nobody has brought the idea to GUST yet- perhaps an endgame where you can do everything or something. Hell, even Recettear did it- a doujin game with a base on their games.

>>8022326
Do you have to Water of Life to create more Chims?

>>8022361
If GUST made this DLC I would buy it and play it. Assuming NIS localized.

>>8022335
I want a game based primarily around Ar tonelico style synthesis and inter-party conversations. I always liked the casual interaction between the characters when they were making stuff and idly chatting more than the more serious story dialogue.

>>8022398
>>8022361

While I'm a bit surprised Gust hasn't made a real VN yet, it is probably better that their games remain having a gameplay side. If they were just standard VNs they would hardly sell at all (like any VN) nor would they ever be localized.

I liked Salavec Rhaplanca so much that I put together an animation storyboard for it in my head.

Verdict: Salavec Rhaplanca and a ton of other AT songs are highly feasible as animated PVs. Since they are songs which tell a story already, putting an image to them would have amazing results.

Too bad I don't have the talent and resources to make it happen, my imaginary storyboard for Salavec Rhaplanca is so fleshed out it is a waste.

>>8021781
>XaaaCi.

Man, they really should have made that thing the actual last boss and gave it multiple forms instead of Ciela. I felt the latter was kind of anti-climatic compared to the former, but it might have just been the pace of that battle.

Also, has anyone tried to see what happens if you let the penultimate boss atttack the sphere too many times? I actually had to try hard to let it use its special attack (which I learn is damaging that thing) by letting everyone but one vanguard die because he activates it so slow and my teammates always break it.

>>8022665
GUST is smart enough to involve the player in their games unlike the likes of MAGES/5pb. I dunno if the latter just want a quick buck out of the ADV games they churn out. Maybe if Robotics;Notes has some fighting game mechanics it might work.

But MAGES/5pb. is lazy as HELL.

Why is Mimi so sexual?

>>8023018
Because she secretly sniffs Totori~n's used panties when nobody's around

>>8023018
Because sexy dark hair, dfc, dat strong but innocent girl. Also, red/black/brown contrast clothing.

I think I just stumbled upon a bad end in AT3. Finnel and Saki disappeared after that fight with Ar Ru, when I stopped Saki from singging. Sad bad end is sad. Should I save the clear data on a different save?

Need to finish AT3 asap, Totorin will be coming here this week~

I seriously need more Ar Ru stuff, anyone know where >>8020439 is from?

>>8024063
Use IQDB?

>>8024071
Doesn't really help, i'm looking for the Doujinshi itself.

>>8024000
>131294938837.jpg

>>>/b/

>>8024103
It's either a troll, or a script that just randomly hit this thread. You don't want to reply to either of those.

I've been looking for a good JRPG to play and was thinking about playing Ar Tonelico but.. the looks main characters of the 2nd and 3rd one really bother me (imo one looks like too feminine and the other looks like a raging lesbian.) ..Do the games get good enough to overlook them? and how good is the first Ar Tonelico? I heard that its not worth playing

>>8024111
>I heard that its not worth playing
It is. The combat is piss easy but they still hadn't implemented the whole
>you can only finish one heroine's cosmosphere
Also some points are important for 2

Hey, I've decided to participate in this thread now. I must admit I don't like games and I don't want to play this but Totori is a miracle of the universe. Does a man that has likings only for the cute girls and not the gameplay has something to do about it or is this just not the series for me?

>>8023994

Huh? I just finished the game in Finnel's route (3 hearts), soon after getting the bad end.

What...what just happened? It feels something is missing. A whole lot, actually. Many CGs left to unlock, incomplete cosmospheres/personality fusions, and I didn't even get the third reyvateil. What the hell is going on?

I can say, free from any kind of doubt, that I'll be pleased to ravenously fornicate with Misha after the upgrade; with or without her consent, to speak the truth.

>>8024160

Finnel's bad end path begins if you miss the opportunity to eat her poop near the beginning of the game.

Too bad you failed, shit's awesome.

>>8024191
You know the best part of her body?
If she reverts back, her hymen regrows.

>>8024126
Come for the cute girls, stay for the cute girls.

The mass-production and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and such are simply accessories of cute girls being cute.

Indeed, bloody well half the game is reading talk topics and triggering event flags. GUST is a galge + music company who happens to tack on RPG elements to their games, after all.

>>8022335
wait you mean there is no endless mode or something in tortori? thats bullshit...
i already got punished with a bad ending for taking it slow. also rather irritating totori lacks a fastforward dialogue button like AT3 had.

>>8024309
>also rather irritating totori lacks a fastforward dialogue button like AT3 had

It's probably because Totori has less overall story scenes than Ar Tonelico. Still would be nice to have, though, at least for scenes you have witnessed before.

>>8024160
you were supposed to stop saki's song in that forest. i hope you saved before making that choice...

>>8024309
>i already got punished with a bad ending for taking it slow

Unless you wasted your time doing jackshit, I don't see how you can get the bad end EVEN if you take it slow...

Too much time in Totorin, I just waste them away making pies.

>>8024348
gee i dunno. i foolishly immersed myself in the alchemy part of the game believing the game was about crafting and ran around looking for better ingredients for crafting better stuff.
but apparently if a bitchy lesbian midget tells tortori she will never find her mother you get a game over.

its not like the game tricks you into thinking wont have to worry about deadlines anymore after you get a permanent licence. oh wait...
honestly. the time limits put a severe damper on the game's enjoyment for me.

>>8024483
>its not like the game tricks you into thinking wont have to worry about deadlines anymore after you get a permanent licence.

But they explicitly tell you that you have three years to actually get shit done.

That said, for me the time limits are just another game mechanic.

>>8024495
Tells*

>>8024495
they tell you have 3 years to reach a certain adventure rank or they revoke your licence. after that she tells you get a permanent licence when you reach a certain adventure rank after 2 years.

never ever do they mention you're screwed if you did not find tortori's mom on the very day you get your permanent licence. which is, in my humble opinion, a dick move.

>>8024510
I do guess they could've been clearer about that one indeed, but then again, it's repeated so much online and other places I never seemed to lack that piece of information. "The game ends the 6th year" can be read almost everywhere.

I just peeked at Mimi's ending for Meruru and now I can't wait for that game.

Cute as fuck.

Lewd as fuck.

This song kills me with its cuteness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4WajI10J9E&feature=related

>>8024596
How dare you.

>US Release: 30 September, 2011.

I actually had to take a while to think if it had alredy been released or not. To be lost in time is truly a horrible thing.

>>8024483

> he plays atelier games but expects he can take it easy all day

>>8024723
Don't start with the greentext, Joshua. Don't ruin the thread.

>>8024726

But I'm not Joshua and I don't greentext unless it's a meme or a real quote...

How well does PCSX2 work these days? I remember trying i out last year and i only got about 30 fps.

>>8024752

Then you're computer is shit, it's not the emulators fault.

>>8024762
i've got a 2ghz dual core, 4gb ram, 8600gt. shouldn't it be enough?

>>8024771
I played the ar tonelicos more than one year ago with a computer like that and it gave me 60 fps fine, maybe you should tweak the emulator setting better

>>8024771

Processor's lacking, but you ought to be able to play something 2D at a decent frame rate. Play with some settings if it still doesn't work out, it'll look like ass probably though.

Config > Advanced and lower all that shit. It tends to make an impact.

>>8024789
>>8024794
thanks, i'll give it another try.

I have a question regarding at3, at which point in the game do the personality patches for harvestasya take effect?

>>8025148
Every encounter up until she gets reformatted.

>>8024111

Those characters mean very little anyway. The third reyvateil is always the best.

>your wallpaper not being a Atelier girl wallpaper

You should be ashamed.

Also, the Meruru site's first song has parts that are awfully similar to Voyage 1964.

When do I have to renew my license again? 4y6m1d, right?

So are Atleir and Ar Tonelico in the same world?

Had some money and purchased Atleir Totori pack with the artbook.

>>8026269
>So are Atleir and Ar Tonelico in the same world?
Nope.

But if you're a raging fanfic writer, they might be.

>>8026269
Yes, they are. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot who obviously hasn't played all the games and connected the dots

i have gone about a year without new gear. am i supposed to just make ingredients til the bald guy says he can make me stuff or where does it tell me just what i need?

Building the boat, do I need to worry about quality of each component? Will A or B grade components be accepted or is S rank mandatory?

>>8021767
>EXEC_EP=NOVA
Also, Chronicle Key starts off great but kinda dies at about the halfway point.

>>8021829
>Hartes Ciel, Melenas Walasye

Oh god it's like both of you are trolling me. If I wasn't big on having complete albums I would have deleted those damn songs.

Besides, Ec Tisia trumps everything.

>>8026724
Just keep making the best stuff you are able to, then give it to Baldness. For metal ingots, it's fine to skip. i.e. Go from Ster Metal to Goldstein, skip Silvertite since Ster and Silvertite both makes the same weapon.

Is there CDs of Ar Tonelico Hymmnos music? If so, what are their names?

Better yet, does anyone have a site where can I buy them?

>>8027203
There are.

google "hymmnos concert" for more details

>>8027203
There are main compilations for each game, which are the Hymmnos Concerts. The Hymmnos Musicals are drama CDs. There's two Concerts per game, Blue and Red. Blue mainly features Shikata Akiko while Red features Shimotsuki Haruka and Mitose Noriko.The actual songs may not be 100% identical to what's actually played in the game as the tracks in the game may be specifically edited (big example would be Method Metafalica)

The names of the albums are in the Mediafire folder. I personally bought mine from Amazon.jp

How are you supposed to get the True Ending on Totori? Are you supposed to defeat Evil Face in the tower? If so, fuck that. I couldn't beat him at all.

Also, what are the requirements for Sterk's ending?


>>8026745
To answer your question, I don't think the quality changes anything. I made the boat components with just anything from my container and a few of them ended up on D or C rank. They got accepted by Guid, nothing special happened.

>>8027254
>How are you supposed to get the True Ending on Totori?
Fulfill Normal end then get all character ends.

>>8026078
Then you mean that Shurelia is superior to Misha.

>>8027506
not that anon, but shurelia is better

>>8027254

Yeah I'm really upset about that. I worked hard to S-rank all ship parts and I imagined it would help in the Flaushtraut battle somehow, or at least make the boat go faster. But as far as I can tell it did nothing.

Is Atelier Rorona worth playing? I can't play Totori just yet for reasons, so I was wondering if I should play that instead for now.

>>8027683
Rorona is good to play just to get the character backgrounds in place if anything else. As far as actual 'adventuring' goes, it's not as engaging as Totori since the combat system is very primitive but still somewhat functional. Aiming to get the Astrid ending will also serve you very well for Totori since you'll know how to squeeze every drop out of the time you use as well as seeing how to maximise shortcuts in everything you do.

If you're set on playing Totori, it would be worth going through Rorona if you want to maximise the experience. You probably won't be able to go back to playing Rorona after Totori because of all the quality of life improvements they've made with Totori (I mean seriously, it takes ages before you get a multi-use attack item in Rorona or at the very least, get Wholesale up and running so you can use items with abandon while Totori starts off with a 0.5 day synth time item that has 3 uses each and has good AoE range)

Aw god. 10/1 of year 5 and I'm not sure if my Chims are gonna be able to eat enough pies. Only 24 consumed so far...

Damnit, why did I have to be too poor to afford Pamela's water of life for so long?

Why is Ceci so well-endowed?

>>8028229
because an onee-san without large breasts is blasphemy

>>8027506

Yes, is that a problem?

Japaaaaan.

More Japan.

>>8028510
>>8028514

>>8028535
Dat shining ass and line

>>8028535
puffy vulva

>>8029170
The best.

Why is Rorona so cute?

>>8029414

Which Rorona are you referring to? Adult or loli?

Gamefaqs has a Totori walkthrough up and it has a similar structure as one of the Rorona walkthroughs. I might follow it.

>>8029907
Adult, obviously.
Her Totori appearance is the greatest

>>8030713 here

Looking at the character flags in that walkthrough. Oh boy, some of them sure look "fun," especially those that require you to be practically psychic. Mimi's in particular. Also Rorona's requires you to be Alchemy Level 50 -- a very difficult feat in the previous game and was only able to achieve in the second playthrough but just barely. Crap.

Oh yeah, another Adventurer Level 50 requirement for Totori and Mimi. They really are the Rorona/Cordelia of the game...

>>8030739
What made you think they weren't the Rorona + Cordelia of this game? Cordelia even specifically mentions that her and Mimi are the same.

Getting 50 alchemy is easy, just make elixirs, it'll jump you a level for each one.

>>8030832

I figured they were the R/C of the game when I read up on Mimi's personality and her and Totori's relationship. It was more of a, "Well, as if they weren't already like those two..." kind of thought.

It was hard for me to reach Alchemy Level 50 in Rorona because both finding the ingredients to make the really high-level items (like the Elixer or the ultimate pies) and actually synthesizing them took up a crapload of time. Hopefully I'd get more time in Totori.

>>8030845
The way they react to each other first screams love

I ran into the Wasteland Beast and thought it was going to rape my face because it was gigantic as fuck. It then did Whirlwind for a whopping 5 damage per hit.

What the fuck. I was running away from that?

>>8031029
this is a jrpg, the most dangerous creatures will be the smallest and cutest ones.

>>8031240

The most dangerous creature was the most giant and cutest one.

>>8031240

Hey! Who are you calling "smallest"?

Oh, this thread again, so I guess I'll ask. Which Atelier series do you guys think has the best soundtrack? I'm listening to Meruru's and it is very nice but I haven't heard Rorona's or Totori's.

>>8031504
Violet, and then Totori in second place.

>>8031509
I'm quite partial to a lot of Rorona's tracks. Rorona's Atelier theme is probably my favourite of the three Arland series workshop themes.

>>8031515
While some of the tracks were great, I don't know, I found Rorona's OST to not be as memorable as the others.

>>8031521
Both Totori and Meruru I found had a large number of tracks with multiple variations.

Actually, you could say that with all of the Arland series. A fair number of Rorona's tracks are based off the opening theme (Falling, The Star Light) or Rorona's Atelier theme.

>>8031549
Yeah, they do have a large amount of rearrangements. Even from older games; I.E., Meruru has a Terminus remix, and Totori has a quasi-remix of The Night's Domain.

>>8031554
Totori also borrows a heck a lot of Rorona's soundtrack outright.

Meruru itself has a large number of remixed tracks. Probably about 4-5 each from Rorona and Totori.

>>8031586
It does, though I don't mind it personally. The tracks it borrows aren't in the OST release, either.

>>8031619
Do remixed tracks appear in the OST release?

>>8031622
Oh yes they do. They're unique after all.

I guess there wasn't any apparent need to duplicate the borrowed tracks onto the Totori OST. It would have necessitated 2 discs or truncated some of the fade overs/loops in the Totori original tracks.

>>8031622
The remixed tracks do. Some of them, at least. The tracks "borrowed", don't.

What the OST doesn't have is the track that normally blends into the Ocean Breeze track.

Speaking of OSTs, my copy of the Shikata's "Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor" finally arrived today. I'm quite happy with it, considering it's the Limited Edition which is (supposedly) out of print and I didn't even have to pay an arm and a leg for importing it.

Anyhow, it's time for some ear-sex.

>>8032350
Lucky you. Have a good time being earsexed by Shikata.

>>8032350
I am a MASSIVE pile of jelly.

I love her work.

People who played Totori, I've a question. Can you switch audio from US to JP or turn off voices in the US Totori? I disliked the voices but would like to play the game.

>>8032931
It has the original voices. Same as Rorona.

>>8032350

Jealous as hell here.

>>8032350
Ooooh.... the Mediafire folder only has mp3 rips of Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor. Mind being a total bro and uploading lossless rips?

>>8033328

I've downloaded a lossless version some time ago, though I can't find the torrent for it anymore. I guess it went down with HF or something.

Either way, I'll look into doing a lossless rip, gonna take a bit though since I won't be home for another 12 hours.

>>8033328
37 seconds in Google. Don't thank me.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ce421xpvrb55e46
http://www.mediafire.com/?1fsjwsd4j051w0z

Bliss and rage here I come!

>>8034743
I made my Dark Souls character female so I would never have to stop being the little girl as I switched between the two. Of course one of those little girls is a shriveled corpse most of the time.

>>8034743
Where did you get Altelier from? I can't find a decent price in the UK :(

>that feel when you are possibly one of the only people that actually likes neptunia
i guess even here it will never be talked about

>>8034757
You can't really make a satisfyingly cute little girl in Dark Souls, though.

How do japanese write Let's Play in Niconico? I wanted to watch a let's play series of the Atelier series but Youtube seems to lack of it and nico nico is probably the place to look for but it doesn't give me results when writing it in english.

Is this sort of a harem/dating sim where you do RPG stuff but also pick a girl to pursue?
Or is there no protagonist and you instead play a heroine or something?

>>8034836

Cheapest price in the UK is £32 from Coolshop. I doubt it'll go lower than £25-30 since it's yet another niche JRPG that'll always be sold for a high price.

>>8035085
http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/22832300

Actually, I've found a long one by myself after a while. Here it is if anyone wants to watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBlKsZym0WI

The best song to take it easy, and also one of the best of Totori.

Mimi really is the best, isn't she?

Boo yeah, Diamond rank before Year 2 Month 12 going in with absolutely zero info on the events and where everything is. Time to take it easy for a while and build up the wholesale item quality, the bank balance and loading up with enough bombs to level a mountain. And of course working on the poor neglected levels. I should probably wait for the Chims before I do mass synthesising...

Damn it's tempting to put Nefertiti as the default boss monster music...

>>8035386
Are you playing this like Astrid End in Rorona?


Anyway, game becomes easymodo once Totorin gets her one and only skill. Don't worry so much about amount of bombs, but rather concentrate on making bombs with all the godly traits.

>>8035438
Working for the Astrid End in Rorona had conditioned me to seek the quickest path to hitting the goals and really push it. Request stacking, abusing wholesale to manufacture synthesis turn ins and replicating adventuring supplies so yeah, in a way I'm going all out as if I were aiming for another Astrid end. Though there are a few differences. First, I'm not getting every single request since there's a few I have dropped or ignored, and secondly I haven't focused on Marc or Gino's character events. Having Rorona in the party is great for the AoE damage, dropping two sets of bombs per turn plus Rorona's basic attack is AoE. I just need to synthesise some decent armour for her but that'll probably come about once I get my alchemy levels up by another 6 odd levels so I can synthesise the next tier of gear.

But yeah, quality over quantity. Spend the time to make a great item, then abuse the game systems to mass replicate them. (In Mana Khemia, I would churn out a crap load of cheap low quality items, then make a single stupidly high quality version to reset all the traits and effects to the new one).

I wonder if I should go into the game blind or do like I did with Rorona and follow a walkthrough. If I go in blind I won't have to keep looking at the computer/printed paper, but if I follow a walkthrough I'll minimize the amount of frustration and required playthroughs. Hmm. What about you guys?

>>8035856
blind first playthrough, guide to get everything else with the second playthrough (new game+ helps, because this time you get to keep the items that are equipped at the end of the game)

>>8035856
Play it however you like for the first time round, then get serious in NG+? That's how I roll in games/VNs with multiple endings.

>>8035479
I know that Astrid End feel. Promised myself to play at a relaxed pace then suddenly I started to plan ahead and stuff. It's tough to lose this habit.

>>8035856
I'm using a guide from the start. I hate the thought of missing events.

I have a few questions about this game
For the true end, do you need to complete every character's route, or just get to the point before you complete their final objective?
also, when is the best time to fight evilface? My party is in the mid 30s with platine and dragonscale gear. I'm not sure what bombs to use on him, since they all get resisted.

>>8036123
You need to complete all routes

This means you need adventurer Level 50 for Mimi and Totori, so you might as well wait until then if that fight is too hard

>>8032350

So what's in the Limited Edition?

Mimi looks so handsome with only her outfit under the cape.

>>8036880
the hell is up with that watermark?!
Ok, that's it. I'm uploading the 1.3GB scan I have for that art book...

>>8036880

Mimi's short shorts are the best.

>>8036880
I always like the scrapped designs more...

>>8036918
Yeah, I was looking through the art book and found that I preferred most of the other designs.

>>8035874
I was under some time pressure for Rorona so I nailed the Astrid End first time around with a guide. If I had known I'd be waiting for nearly a month to get my Totori copy I would have done the 2 pass method of a blind run then a guided run.

The Astrid End push has completely corrupted my style of play with Atelier games now. When playing Atelier Annie, first time around (pre-Astrid) I futzed around, generally made a mess of things. Restarted after getting the Astrid End and I go around clearing the Adventurer's Guild requests as often as possible, complete the assignments within the first week, the store/resort income is sky high and the bank balance bounces up and down more than market expectations over the Euro.

>>8036918
>>8036926

That design isn't scrapped, it is what they used for the game. The leotard Mimi uses there is her outfit under the cloak.

Kishida Mel is a god.

So I was playing AT3 when I read about the "Press Select 100 times" trophy. I figured, why not, that's simple.

When I saw "Nothin, Ma!" as the trophy name, I was so confused that I had to go check out the trophy description. That only got me more confused when they called the select button the panic button.

And then I realized...

>>8036976
Of course, we aren't talking about those. We're talking about the others you can appreciate in the artbook; I like them more as they're, in all honesty, less flamboyant and out there, which is one of my problems with the way the main characters dress in the Arland series. It wasn't so bad in Rorona, but both Totori and Meruru are pretty out there.

>>8037018
I see. There are some cool Mimi variations, but I think I prefer her the way she is now. Also, Kishida Mel said that he would enjoy to work on a male main character in future projects. Too bad for him

>>8037114
Good thing they kept proto-Totorin as Piana. Them braids man.

>>8037114
I like the one with the cute red sandals.

Just got Ar Tonelico 3 and the Ar Tonelico visual book in the mail today.

It's so pretty. ;_;

It's Akane time.

>>8038861

Zun!bar-chan is quite lewd.

I was seeing the cast for Meruru and I've gotta say, at least Totori had Gino but, in Meruru, there is no single male character that joins your party. Gust really went all out on this one.

>>8039043
Lias. You've forgotten Lias. That's somewhat understandable given the rest of the cast...

>>8039043
>>8039200
Where the fuck is my Lionela? That girl is love.

>>8036169

It comes with a DIN A5 booklet that contains all the song lyrics, (as far as I can tell with my limited Japanese) the lore / stories behind the songs, illustrations by fanartists (fuzichoko / 藤ちょこ among others) and some more settei / lore stuff.

so if I am correct only money and currently worn equipment carries to NG+ right? its like GUST slowly adds a piece of missing NG+ code every game....

This topis has really made me intrigued about these games, but just from reading some of these posts, it's quite intimidating to not only have two different series to start with (Ar Tonelico and Atelier), but multiple subtitles within each, such as the Atelier <name here>. Is there a recommended game to start with?

>>8040535
Personal recommendation would be Mana Khemia, which is one of the more combat/gameplay oriented Atelier sub-series. PS2 game with a PSP port. The lack of a strict time schedule means you can spend as much time as you like gathering materials and synthesising before you decide to advance the story at your own pace and the general gameplay is engaging enough on its own before you dig your teeth into an item synth system which is easy enough to pick up, but has enough depth to make it worth your while trying to synth the perfect equipment.

Atelier Iris 3: Grand Phantasm has probably the 'easiest' synthesising system of all the games in that it's very forgiving.

The three Arland series games, Rorona, Totori, Meruru, are more 'management' heavy than the other localised Atelier games. Rorona in particular can be brutal in time management and the item synth system is both more intricate and unforgiving. Mess up and you will waste both precious time and materials.
Totori doesn't have the full on 'tick tock, time is ticking and you've got an assignment due in 12 days' time pressure, but there is another sort of time pressure in that you have a goal, you generally know what you need to do but you decide how to do it. It is still possible to waste a lot of time if you're inefficient (Hint: Minimise travel time). If you want to play the Arland series, I would recommend to play Rorona first because of the setting is being used heavily with Totori. Not to mention, you'll probably won't be able to go back to the simpler game mechanics.

With the Ar tonelico series, unfortunately you'll be best served going through them in order because of plot spoilers

>Start playing Atelier Totori for the first time tonight
>Walk around town

Oh look. I guess that's the coach driver the manual was talking about. He seems like a normal eno--

>>8040627
It's easy to figure out you'd want to interact with Peter as little as possible to get through the game

>>8040606
I really wouldn't recommend Mana Khemia myself, as the expectations for the rest of the series might be a little off if you start with that.

>>8040654
I disagree. Of the three localised sub-series, only the Arland series is actually management heavy.

The Iris series was purposely more about adventuring than the item synthesis and Mana Khemia is a rather drastic retooling. In my point of view, what's important as an introductory game would be to have the absolute fundamentals in (item gathering, item synthesis) but wrap it in a gameplay that compels someone to keep on playing and explore the other games. The critical part, item synthesis, is rich enough in Mana Khemia where you can spend hours trying to rework items and equipment to a monstrous state and you have all the time in the world to do it. Yes, the combat system in the MK series is the best in the Atelier line, but it's best to throw it out first to allow newcomers something to drive them to play and synth those items well.

There's little point in throwing someone into Rorona or Annie which have elementary gameplay outside of the management aspects if they haven't got a taste for item synthesis.

A little confused here on the MYU fight in AT3. If you don't kill it, you get locked in the bad end? Or does it lead to the normal end for the girl of your choice followed by NG+ in your choice of a phase?

>>8041188
If you run out of time, you can only get the normal or bad endings. If you win you can get normal or true endings. Normal vs true/bad depends on if you stop the song or not. Stopping the song and not defeating MYU leads to bad end.

>>8041223

Ah, okay. Since I lost to MYU (That thing took hits like nothing...), I guess this means I'll have to rely on NG+. I've done some reading on my own and I guess I can just get the bad end first, then normal and finally true.

The guide I was reading said to load up a save from phase 2 instead of using NG+ to jump back there, why is that? I mean, wouldn't it be much quicker to use NG+ due to your higher levels and whatnot?

>>8041286
The MYU option starts you right at the battle against MYU if I remember right. But doing that makes you miss the last heart point event so you can't change it. Its better to have different save slots if you're going for the different endings.

You won't have to restart from phase 2 until you're going for the other girl.

>>8041329

Ah, okay. So the order for this should be

1. Bad
2. Normal
3. True
4. Back to phase 2 and then repeat 2 and 3.
5. Move onto phase 4 for the 3rd Revyatail?

Still working out that last part though. And by the way, though I sad I'd get the bad end, I just know I'm going to feel horrible about it once I get to it.

And is it just me or is 3 a lot shorter than 1 or 2?

>>8039043
Doesn't Sterk join, as well as Gino? Or are they DLC characters?

On my second playthrough for Totori, trying to get the True End this go around. I am looking at the ending requirements on the PS3 Trophy Guide website for Mimi's endings and I've got a question about this part:

>(50) 15 days later, event when entering guild (may not trigger until at least 2y6m).

I know for sure I've done the (45) event. Is the (50) event where Filly complains that she is getting fewer and fewer requests?

>>8041435
Sterk and Gino do join in Meruru. Gio apparently joins on your 2nd+ play through. Lias' older brother is DLC.

In Totori, does failing/canceling requests do anything?

About to start Rorona. How long will it take me to beat it?

>>8041593
I'm still on my first playthrough so I'm under a self-imposed blackout for guide info. It doesn't appear to have any ill effects since there's no tracking for them, which is good considering I take every request I can get and dump them if I won't make it in time.

>>8041609
Depends on how thorough you want the run to be. Astrid End will take the longest because you need to pump the requests. I'd say 20-30 hours.

Is this another endless grinding game or should I check it out?

>>8041860
There's no grinding involved in either series.

>>8041860
It's worth a look I think, but just fair warning, the latest entry does have a few unavoidable rape scenes, so if you're bothered by that stuff you may want to steer clear.

>>8041897
Or it could be more the reason to play it depending on your point of view.

One of the characters does have permanent yuri goggles on. Not that they're really needed TBH.

>>8040691
Nonetheless, still. The main Atelier games are much different; I'm just saying, don't play MK and expect the rest of the games to be like that.

>>8042633
That's just the point though. The games that are currently localised have been the two of the most adventure/combat oriented Atelier series and it's only with the Arland series that we're getting back to the original core game play with a heavy emphasis on time management and a big focus on seeking particular ingredients.

As far as anyone who played the localised PS2 games would think, MK is pretty much the type of game play to expect when it comes to the focus on heavy adventuring/combat with item synthesis in a supporting role.

I do agree with making the point very clear that MK and the Iris series are general exceptions to the Atelier series as a whole when it comes to the gameplay focus. I still think that MK would be the best 'gateway' into the Atelier genre as a whole because it has an engaging enough game play to stand on its own and have item synthesis providing it own effective lure into getting people to care about creating high quality or custom items without forcing it.

>>8042671
Good points.

>>8040645

I mean, I heard some comments about him and thought people were exaggerating. And then he turned around. And then he started talking.

Johnny Yong Bosch's voice for him sure doesn't help; he definitely knew what he was doing.

>>8043530
I actually kind of like his screaming voice whenever he loses his shit.

>>8041339

My order was 3 heart Finnel, make a save at M.Y.U, lose the fight, save at Ar_Ru, grab the bad end, reload Ar_Ru save, grab the normal end, reload M.Y.U. save then faceroll him and continue to finish the game. Start new game+, put two hearts into Saki, one into Finnel, kill M.Y.U. in time, save at Ar_Ru then grab the normal end, reload save, continue with the true end, shortly before the point of no return make a save, confess to Saki, finish the game, reload, confess to Tilia, finish the game, reload, confess to nobody, finish the game. This means you can get all endings and trophies within the course of two playthroughs If you NG+ the second playthrough it becomes beyond easy. Easy modo and/or encounter down items make it even easier. You can play through the entire game in a very short time at the cost of it being mind numbingly boring.

As for your question I thought the game was about the same length but it was more drawn out in certain areas. I left the game running for a few hours at a few points too but I still finished the game with 30 hours roughly so 25 hours of playtime which is about the same as what I did in AT1/AT2. It probably felt shorter due to all of the action being stuffed into phase 4.

>>8044236

For the true end(s), you need either the conession or 3 hearts right?

So theoretically, wouldn't it be quickest to do 2 hearts for one girl and the last one on another? Then saving at certain key points you should be able to get the ends for everyone using just one file no?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't True end require going through all of phase 4?

To be honest, it's already pretty boring having to work my way through everything again. I'm tempted to just youtube the endings and call it quits.

what the fuck, why the extended version, and ONLY the extended version!?

the two min. version just isn't enough.

>>8044698

>I'm tempted to just youtube the endings and call it quits.

That is what I do on most games. I just don't have time for any newgame+ content or alternate endings anymore.

On AT3 I just did the Finnel true end and saw the rest on youtube. Seeing any additional endings would potentially mean enduring one or more trips into the Clustania District and that just wouldn't be worth it.

>>8043530
Why would anyone in their right mind play this game English dubbed?

>>8034836
I got it from zavvi, I had a 10% discount so it was around 31 pounds.

I made the mistake of not getting Ar Tonelico 3 when it was 30 pounds, the price never drooped and then they just removed it from stock.

>>8044924
I prefer to understand what the people are saying
also I don't have that much of a problem with the english dub of most of the games

>>8044698

'True end' relies on absolutely nothing other than what happens with Saki's song and whether you kill M.Y.U. in time. 2 hearts with one person just means that you aren't locked into them however you can't confess to the person with 1 heart either. First playthrough with Finnel with 3 hearts was purely because I like her and I wanted to see her extra scene. You can only get 3 endings on a single save due to the heart points spread out so you need at least two playthroughs. The way I did it allowed me to play the game as I wanted on my first playthrough, which was on hard, finding all the chests, talking to everyone, crafting everything, fighting Akane three times and focusing on the story. The second playthrough was blitzed through on easy purely for extra talk topics I couldn't get and three different endings. You'd honestly be surprised what 99 of those encounter down items, level 70+ characters, easy modo and knowing where to go can do in regards to cutting down the playtime.

>>8044767

I really should do that but I'm too stubborn. I have a huge backlog and having to NG+ certain games doesn't help either. It wouldn't be so bad if I actually played but I end up just browsing all day instead.. ;_;

>>8044929

I can sell you my copy if you'd like, I purchased the LE from NISA and got a UK copy too, mainly to support these games actually getting released outside of Japan.

>>8044957

Well, I just gave up and looked up the endings on youtube. I'm satisfied by that.

I'm having some trouble finding the various hymnos songs though. I thought they'd be on the ost you can find in /rs/ but apparently that's not the case. What gives?

>>8045184
tried looking in the Mediafire folder? That should have all of the hymmnos concerts

>>8045184

Hymmnos are on the hymmnos album, not the OST.

>>8045241
>>8045242

I derped hard, sorry. Found them in the end.

I guess this is the end of AT3 for me. Now the only question is whether I should go back to AT2 to get Mir's end or if I should try to get through Rorona.

Does Rorona have some nice skits for synthesis and stuff? I kinda miss those.

>>8045259
Depends on the item. The main way of getting a glimpse (and oh what a glimpse it is) into Hagel's character is by crafting the various armours. Some of the pies have rather 'interesting' events.

There's plenty of character interactions throughout the game though. The AT series really did strike out when it came to the synthesis skits.

>>8022304
>dat feel when SASAGE YA SASAGE YA

>>8045259
Play through AT2.

>>8045259
>I guess this is the end of AT3 for me
What do you mean by that?

>>8045269

Hm. Well, since I already have the game I might as well try to beat it right? My previous attempt didn't get very far. I think I only got past the first challenge which was to make a barrel. I have to say though, I'm shit at managing my time. I think I'm going to end up wasting most of it wandering around in useless areas.

>>8045515

Since I had the iso and emulator handy, I did start up a new game. Man, I totally forgot about how low res those sprites in 2 were. Going from 3 to 2, it's an incredible leap back in terms of graphics. Regardless, I'll still do my damn best to get Mir's end. My first playthrough I "accidentally" put myself on Cloche's path and ended up kinda regretting it. But by the end of Cloche's path, I was okay with my choice. Poor girl needed the help.

>>8045585

Just in the sense that I'm done playing the game for now. Maybe somewhere down the road I'll pick it up and play through it again, but I don't know about that. 3 wasn't quite as fun for me as the other 2 were for some reason.

>>8044765
What, there are extended versions?

I only have the 2:38 versions.

>>8046551

There are, for the BGMs and a few of the hymns

example,
normal www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAukvgR8y5I
extended www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFB6Yssr4Ko

only really matters if you are too lazy to use the youtube repeater, but then again, I fall into that category.

>>8046569
Ahh, I was expecting full-blown extended arrangements like the Singing Hills.

Well, this is fantastic since I can use these for DnD session BGM.

> http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv68125682
> If you could be any of the AT heroines, who would you be?
> Tsucchi: I'd be Luca.

niyari

I disliked Mana Khemia to some degree(level up style) and I couldn't get into Rorona. Should I give Totori a chance? I really like the Art style of the Atelier games and I heard they made Totori gameplay more fun.

>>8046788
Going to be tough to recommend... Is there anything else that you disliked about Mana Khemia apart from the Grow Book style of levelling up?

The vast majority of Totori's improvements are quality of life improvements. The core game play is still extremely focused on item synthesis, and you are thrown into the deep end because you don't have hand holding from a rigid objectives framework to guide you form point to point. Although there is a lot more freedom with Totori, there are an equally large number of ways you can screw yourself over, such as purchasing a recipes book much earlier then when you can actually use it and thus kill your cash flow. Time management is just as important in Totori as it was in Rorona, and it can be even worse because you don't have a big fat sign saying 'You must do this in 90 days'. You can easily blow two months going around finishing 5 requests if you fluff around and don't prepare properly or plan a travel route.

Totori is an improvement over Rorona in terms of its gameplay and flow, however it is not a drastically different game. You're going to have to give more info on what you liked and didn't like with the other Atelier games before I can say with any degree of certainty if you should give Totori a shot.

>>8046859
Well I only really disliked the levelling system in Mana Khemia. I mean, you could fight mobs but not grind them for exp. I kinda missed that.

Also I kinda dislike STRICT time limits but can live with them IF they give you enough free time to do other stuff.

Don't know what to say else. The screw up part you mentioned kidna worries me. is it really THAT bad?

>>8046895
It's more of a fact that you aren't prevented from making stupid mistakes. You can screw yourself really badly if you have no sense of time management but that's kind of the same as sleeping for weeks at a time in Rorona. You are given a rather lenient amount of time to accomplish the first major task (Reach Rank 7 as an Adventurer in 3 years) and I've actually hit that goal in ~1.5 years counting 16/6 yr1 as the starting point using my Astrid End honed skills/methods.

The time limit is a lot more lenient by far when it comes to being able to do your own thing. You aren't constrained with absolute deadlines for the most part, but it really depends on whether or not you are able to exercise the most basic time management skills. Travelling between the towns is an obvious time sink (1 month round trip initially. That hurts big time).

In a way, you don't get training wheels when playing Totori. You have to be able to judge for yourself if you are capable of doing something, so in a way, you really are in complete and utter control over Totori's story.

I guess the big thing I'd like to know would be what your thoughts are about Rorona in terms of the various aspects of the game. Combat, story flow, what you're actually doing, the synthesis system etc...

How long is an average Totori playthrough? I'm assuming its the kind of game that encourages you to play multiple times due to time constraints and such. I'd just rather not sink 20+ hours into something only to get fucked over near the end because of simple mistakes early on.

I've only played Atelier Annie and didn't like it, but a friend said that one isn't really like the other games and is pretty bad.

>>8046941
I've only played about 1 hour to be perfectly honest because I heard that I should wait for Totori because it's the better game in so many ways.
Talk about easy influences heh.
The only thing I remember being annoying was managing the basket haha.

>>8046955
The 'enhanced' new game feature apparently starts you off with however much money you have left over as well as your items/equipment. That goes a long way to boosting the subsequent playthroughs. I'd estimate 25-30 hours for the first run. Contrary to the doom and gloom talk of screwing up, the leniency of the time schedule allows you to pretty much salvage all but the absolute worse performance for a decent ending. If you can hit a 3 year goal in half the time, with some wasted time, you'll seriously had to have screw up big time and you'll deserve the bad end, otherwise like most GUST games, you pretty much have to purposely aim for a bad end. Even the requests have a huge leniency with the due dates. I think they're like 2 months (60 days) on average, which is huge.

Annie is a mixed bag. I will admit that I'm enjoying it a lot more after working my ass off for the Astrid End because I'm 'attuned' to the frantic work schedule compared to when I first played the game (and all of its simplicities were... a major turn off) so I'm able to concentrate more with the character interactions.

>>8047004
Totori is a better game in virtually all areas (the filtering UI for the container inventory is a BLESSING FROM GOD/whatever deity you subscribe to) and the adjustments to the time costs in synthesising items compared to everything else you do is great for experimentation. My only complaint would be splitting the wholesales between two locations can be a bit irritating, but all is forgiven when Chim is introduced and once you figure out how to keep track of which place has what items wholesaled.
If you're absolutely sure that you're fine with a simpler combat system than most jRPGs with a very heavy emphasis on tinkering with items and ingredients, then go ahead and grab Totori but if you're fundamentally incompatible with the item based gameplay, then there's not much that can be done.

>>8047169
is it simpler than mana khemia?

>>8046788
Didn't Mana Khemia 2 fix the leveling system?

>>8047697
Kind of. The page thing is better than having to scroll all over the sphere grid, but if his complaint was that he couldn't grind for exp, then no. You can grind for HP and AP since that's just added sort of at random as characters fight, but it doesn't make much of a difference.
I don't know why you'd need or want to grind for exp in the Khemias anyway. They're easy enough as it is.

>>8046955
I managed to get all endings on my first playthrough without even knowing what to do. I didn't even start trying to play for real until well into the third year either. I also died a lot in the field because my gear sucked.

It really is a much easier and forgiving game than Rorona.

Took me like 15 hours to beat it, though I was playing in between projects and such.

One thing Rorona did better though... it was in earning money. Dear lord I was poor as shit up until I was able to make Spring Cups. Jobs pay absolute shit even at max alchemy/adventure rank with all recipes. Nothing like making 200 cole off a job that takes 4-5 days to do...

Currently playing Atelier Totori. Melvia just joined me. Nothing else has happened so far. I guess I'm supposed to just keep doing the random jobs from the bar until the next event, right?

Also, is it just me or did the difficulty ramp up? The third area opened up and I'm met with Audras that deal 2-3 times as much damage as the old enemies, they have higher defense and HP, and Melvia is the only person to do any reasonable damage to them. Also Gust seemed to have signficantly nerfed level ups in Totori. In Rorona you get a good amount of HP and other stats, normally in the 3-6 range depending on the character; in Totori you only get 1-2 points in ALL stats, even HP; hell in Totori's first level up she didn't get any Atk, Def or Spd at all. What's even worse is that battles take time now. It's pretty much pointless leveling up in this game now, yet they expect us to want to level two characters to 50.

>>8048073
You're just beginning the game. Also, equipment partakes a much more important role now, though I wouldn't call leveling "pointless". In fact, it helps alot, since some bosses in Totori can actually be incredibly challenging. The HP gains aren't exactly noteworthy, but damage dealt, defenses and whatnot do iron out alot as you keep playing, and fights don't really take up much time in comparison to gathering or traveling, so I suggest to never run off a fight; you'll appreciate the EXP later.

>>8048073
She's supposed to carry you for a while.

>>8046651

He has.. interesting taste.

>>8048073
Melvia certainly carries Totori and Gino for the early stages of the game at least until the first rank up where Hagel suddenly remembers about his commissioning scheme. Oddly enough, if you grab the Ceci DLC, she starts off at level 1 but deals damage that is nearly on par with Melvia at the start of the game... I loled when I got an event with Melvia about her being concerned that Totori was catching up to her as an adventurer. Then I loled even more when I got the next event and Melvia reveals she's rank 4-5. Totori was already rank 7 for about a month at that point and complained that Melvia got it easy with not worrying about the renewal process.

Upgrading to +3 attack weapons, even if they are of the same 'type' is a huge boost and you'll probably only need to spend 3-4 days to make that first set of ingots unlike in Rorona where it'll cost you 6 days for 3 ingots. That should pretty much key you into the fact that equipment upgrades and getting good traits is a very necessary thing to do.

Levelling up is still necessary. You need every bit of def you can get, and the gains from levelling will go a very long way to reducing that 30 damage hit to a more manageable amount.

>>8048107
If you enter a fight, by all means you should stick around and finish it off (unless you're getting your ass kicked) but I'd advocate for some very careful time planning. Finishing a fight within 2-3 turns will cost 20% of a day. Harvesting will cost 50%. The aim should then be to fight and harvest in such a way that you are left with 10-20% of a day left, then leave and reset the area. Leaving an area will always cost an additional day so even if you have a full day gauge left, it's going to cost you another day ie; a day is wasted. For those safe areas with no enemies but 4 harvesting nodes, you're going to have to ignore one unless you want to spend a full day for a gather.

>>8049607
Adding on to this, you can always check the harvest points without taking anything, it doesn't cost time.

>>8049619
Adding more, later you can create an item that drops it to 3 chunks of time to gather from points, as well as an item that lets you warp to and from Arland and the fishing village with no time penalty.

>>8049607
>he aim should then be to fight and harvest in such a way that you are left with 10-20% of a day left, then leave and reset the area. Leaving an area will always cost an additional day so even if you have a full day gauge left, it's going to cost you another day ie; a day is wasted. For those safe areas with no enemies but 4 harvesting nodes, you're going to have to ignore one unless you want to spend a full day for a gather.

That's interesting. I'll try to remember that. Thanks.

>>8049620

I heard those items don't appear until the very end of the game, which makes them pointless.

>>8049666
While they do appear very late, they are by no means pointless because at that stage of the game, you have a lot of tools which compress and magnify the amount you can do in a single day. Multiple Chims replicating items, being able to ignore a large amount of travel time, speed gather critical materials for the initial synthesis and a fully bridged wholesaling array means you can pump out a serious amount of productivity. At least you unlock the major adventuring consumables (mass AoE bombs, Ahnks for buffing) early.

I remember some of the individual DAYS when I was playing Rorona were taking in excess of 15 minutes since I was running around grabbing requests, completing them on the spot, setting up the next production chains, organising what items I needed to make or deciding if I could sink the time towards synthesising new equipment.

>>8046651
>>8049165

I'm sorry, but has Tsucchi even engaged in sexual intercourse? Oh, that’s right. He hasn't even made contact with a woman outside of dive therapy. In fact, it’s only therapy involving fields for soothing. Does not having a cliche tsundere personality make you a slut? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you’re saying that I can assure you that you’re wrong. Why would you make this topic when the game is already finished and we know for certain he is pure? Tsucchi is holy now and he was been the purest in Metafalss? Tsucchi has to go up against one of the sluttiest reyvateils in Ar Ciel who just happened to have a lead because she was praying on Croix's innocence. But you know what? Cloche is still a whore. Tsucchi is the best hero in all three games, he has the best songs. Tsucchi has already won you over, he would have done it sooner if it wasn't for his tragedy with his sister throwing him for a mental loop. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when Tsucchi is proven a better husbando than any other in AT2. Cloche tries to latch on to anyone who would have shown her a different and free life. Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I’m fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you’re the only guy making all these anti-Tsucchi topics because you’re a faggot hater who doesn’t like a hero because they’re canonically pure. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking idiots on the board, like I give a fuck. It’s so easy to spot out your threads now, you’re a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don’t you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That’s just you, you’re always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

>>8049722
Was wondering when that'll show up again.

>>8049734
Saved.

>>8049722

TOTAL SLUT
AKIRA TSUCHIYA

Does anyone like to just sit on Totori's world map to listen to the music?

It's so relaxing.

>>8051741
kind of

I'm sitting on the world map, opening spring liquids to get 500k cole

Hey, guys. A Totori~n related question.

Does Cole carry onto NG+? I don't really want to do what >>8051967 described just to end up doing it AGAIN twenty hours later.

>>8051983
Yes, it does carry over.

>>8052060
Alright, thanks.

>>8051741

I do that far too often. I'll end up starting to play then I'll just set down the controller and appreciate the music.

>>8051741

I love Totori's world map theme, too. I also love all its variations in the nearby areas and how it doesn't get interrupted when you move between those areas.

Does the theme remind anyone else of Wild Arms?

>>8051741
>>8053793
The first time I heard the map music I just sat there and listened to it for 5 minutes. Really relaxing song; it sorta reminds me of this other nice map theme by Yasunori Mitsuda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f6siAA3C9M

Maybe it's the guitar.

>>8049666
They appear a few years in. You can get them before your license renewal if you find the ingredients, at least some of them.

>>8053855
IIRC, gloves can be acquired as soon as you hit Gold rank. The shoes require souls from the deserted town. The bag doesn't have any really special ingredients required, but you have to do some Rorona events to get the recipe. The travel gate can only be acquired after the license renewal, and all other such items aren't really that important.

So, if you blast through your adventurer ranks, it's entirely possible to craft everything except the travel gate somewhere around mid year two, and be left with vast swaths of time with nothing terribly important to do except clear character events.

>>8053882
The gloves are synth level 33 and requires Threads, Magic Paint and a Mystery type item. The Magic Paint itself is level 30 and requires Tar Liquid and Rainbow Oil which are low to mid level 20 items.

The boots are synth level 35 and require you to make the trek to the abandoned town which have monsters ready to rip you apart if you're not prepared.

To the point, it's difficult to power through the ranks and maintain a high enough alchemy level to make synthesis of the gloves and boots a reasonable prospect when you do get the recipe. Not only would you need to power your way through the ranks, you'll also need to know what you need in order to synth higher level gear and what and where to get ingredients to level your alchemy.

>>8053855
>>8053882
>>8053934

Hmm, sounds a little rough. Oh well, I guess I'll deal. I was going to use a guide for my first playthrough like with Rorona but I decided I'll just go blind this time.

Got a couple other questions, though:

1. Is Extras broken again like Rorona? What I mean is that the system data doesn't get saved unless you change the options or see an ending. So there will be cases where the Extras menu is missing a lot of CGs and music because almost nobody changes the options in the middle of the game, and when you save the system data after an ending the game only gets the CGs and music from your most recent load.

2. Well I finally got my Adventurer's License and now the game begins in earnest. A looooot of areas opened up and I'm a bit overwhelmed. I went through a few nearby areas just to gather ingredients and fight a few monsters. I haven't taken much Quests (unless I can immediately report them) yet because I'm afraid while I'm exploring around the new areas I won't find/fight the things the quest needs and that I'll go over the deadline since many more actions take time now. Any tips?

>>8053934
Hey, I never said it was easy. Although, if you grind synthesis just a little and use 小さい and アリさん専用 ingredients (IIRC 見えない大きさ isn't available at that point), it's easily feasible to synthesize those items early on with minimal savescumming.

And yeah, I haven't bothered unwrapping my English version copy yet, so sorry about the untranslated item traits.

>>8053855
>>8053882
>>8053934

Hmm, sounds a little rough. Oh well, I guess I'll deal. I was going to use a guide for my first playthrough like with Rorona but I decided I'll just go blind this time.

Got a couple other questions, though:

1. Is Extras broken again like Rorona? What I mean is that the system data doesn't get saved unless you change the options or see an ending. So there will be cases where the Extras menu is missing a lot of CGs and music because almost nobody changes the options in the middle of the game, and when you save the system data after an ending the game only gets the CGs and music from your most recent load.

2. Well I finally got my Adventurer's License and now the game begins in earnest. A looooot of areas opened up and I'm a bit overwhelmed. I went through a few nearby areas just to gather ingredients and fight a few monsters. I haven't taken much Quests (unless I can immediately report them) yet because I'm afraid while I'm exploring around the new areas I won't find/fight the things the quest needs and that I'll go over the deadline since many more actions take time now.

Current date is Year 1 Month 7 Day 27, rank is Glass (just started after all), sitting on that farm place. Any tips?

>>8053947
Don't worry about failing a request. Of course, it's best to be able to complete them all because you do need the money, but if you can't find your mark, oh well. Just carry on as usual. I will recommend grabbing a notepad and writing down which areas are opened up at which ranks so you have a general idea on what level the monsters are in them. I didn't and I have to tread carefully because I'll get smacked down hard by the random encounters at the highest difficulty areas I've got unlocked.

I can't answer the question about the Extras. I suspect like other GUST games it's only updated when you perform the clear saves.

>>8053950
Oh yes, you can get Near Invisible traits on items. Typically on the gold gathers.

>>8053969

Well, the help menu said if I fail or give up a quest I won't get any quests with good rewards for a while, so that had me worried.

By the way, can I accept a quest in Aranya (I probably spelled it wrong) and report it in Arland and vice versa? An answer would be very helpful here.

>>8053997
Yes, you can report in a quest anywhere. It doesn't have to be where you've picked it up from.

The item rewards are kinda nice, but the lack of innate traits for some of the items really puts a dampener on the whole thing such as the innate additional healing on the Mandrake Roots and the Lightning Damage on the Thunder Stones which only appear if the item was 'naturally' gathered. I mainly use the higher quality ones as quality boosts for synthesis or it has a particularly nice trait. I honestly wouldn't be too worried about failing a quest but don't make too much of a habit of it. Just keep an eye on how long you have to fill that request and try to explore all the areas you unlock so you fill out the details. Unlike in Rorona where it'll kill your rep if you fail/abandon a request which is really not a good thing...

>>8054006
>Yes, you can report in a quest anywhere. It doesn't have to be where you've picked it up from.

Awesome. Thank you, and the rest of you guys, glad I took a break and posted here before I went back to play.

So I've been playing Ar Tonelico for the past week, completing it twice. I really love the gameplay so is the second game worth playing? I hear there big changes. Although I could play it just because Jacqli makes me hard.

Does the game really end at 6y6m? I'm already at 6y4m and will now sacrifice Pamela as an offering to the tower.

Is the monster in the tower that difficult to beat? Any preparations I should do before I fight it?

>>8054044
I played all 3 games and still think the second is the best, so go for it

>>8054095

Make sure you have some multi-target heals. I got my ass kicked the first time, synthesized an elixir, wholesaled it, dicked around until shop restock, went back with 10 elixirs and destroyed the monster. I was a bit underleveled though. Between the travel time and synthesis time required, you may be fucked if you are too.

Elixirs come from a book you buy at the snowy village.

>>8054044
For first Phase or so the battle system will probably have you baffled and you may feel revulsion at THOSE SOULLESS EYESSSSSS and FUCK NO MORE JUMPING but I assure you, it gets really, really good from there.

My personal favourite of the three.

>>8054123
>>8054142
I just started and it feels different yet similar and the battle system is actually quite interesting. Looking good. Also it's funny how this runs faster than the first game on my computer.

>>8054137
Is that different from Frontier Village?

>>8054159

No.

We're soon reaching a new thread, could we have a Totori, Rorona or Meruru picutre as the OP image? I would like to see that in the front page for the next few days. Saged because of not being directly related to the thread itself.

http://www.sonixgvn.net/2011/06/cadena-atelier-series-jazz-arrange.html

Jazz remixes of Atelier series songs. Sounds nice, I guess.

>>8054173
But there's no store there to buy it from.

>>8054205
the village elder sells items when you visit the second time

>>8054209
Cool.

Also, is it possible for me to reach Galaxy rank even this late in the game? I still have 600+ points to go, but I missed some achievements like Iron Artisan, Gold Artisan, etc.

>>8054044
AT2 is the best of the trilogy, IMO.

>>8054217

Basically no. If you don't have any elixirs, you're talking about a month to get those in order + get back to the tower. That leaves you with one month to get those 600 points. I don't think that's possible.

>>8054225
So NG+? What carries over to NG+ aside from the cole?

>>8054226

Equipped items. Put on your best equipment and sell everything else.

>>8054177
New thread: >>8054265