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Hello /jp/
I have recently found myself playing Touhou. The games are absolutely fantastic and I often lose track of time when playing.
However, I don't understand why there's such a big fan following? It may be because I started with the sixth game, but I can't find such appeal in the storyline.
I'm already into the gameplay, but how do I into the GAME?

>> No.8021993

I don't know either. It has to do with a combination of the ZUN art, the music, and the way the characters are presented and their backstories. The plot of the games are pretty much all similar: "there's an incident, figure out what the HELL is up" and so forth.

>> No.8022000

Bascially, it's somewhat like this:
1. People play TH and see the shitty art
2. Want to make shitty art better
3. Doujins and awesome fanart are made
4. TH gets more popular, music artists make arrangements of TH music since it's awesome
5. TH gets even more popular
6. Said fanartists make up stories and flesh out the characters
7. TH gets immensely popular
etc.

>> No.8022009

kill a touhou and wear its skin

>> No.8022013

>>8022000

So what will happen when the music gets shittier and the art gets better (TD)?

>> No.8022022

>I'm already into the gameplay, but how do I into the GAME?
>the GAME
I just lost it.

>> No.8022023

>>8022000
Hm. Where can I find information on the characters' fan-personalities? Or are they more subjective rather than a general base across the fans?

>> No.8022025
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>>8022022

You can't be serious

>> No.8022027

>>8022013
It doesn't matter what comes next, it's the fact that the things that made it popular are already there, that is, the previous games, that includes the characters, music, story etc.

>> No.8022029

There isn't much plot, and only a few of the characters get a lot of attention. But it's interesting in aggregate. There's a lot of material spread around. Go to touhouwiki.net

>> No.8022031

>>8022023
touhouwiki.net

Most of their personalities are derived from lines they say in game or their general attitudes.

>> No.8022038
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>>8022023

There are generally accepted ones like Tsundere Alice, GRIMDARK Mokou, Hikkikomori Kaguya, etc.

There are more subjective one's like Reimu -- you can have bitchy Reimu, nationalist Reimu, moe Reimu, anything you can imagine up

>> No.8022035

>>8022025
Not really ironic by any definition of the word though. It's satirical. And since you mistakenly used the wrong word, I shall assume that it wasn't shitposting.

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>>8022038

>Tsundere Alice
>generally accepted

>> No.8022056

>>8022043
Yeah, you might not have noticed, but /jp/ doesn't run the world.

>> No.8022070
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8022070

If you actually enjoy the games you might also enjoy the real story a lot more than fandom stuff.

Check the wiki for translations of everything. Make sure to read the official books as well, as they contain a lot of information about the setting which is not really mentioned in the games but really interesting to read(atleast in my opinion).

>> No.8022072

>>8022056

I'm sure tsundere alice is just as revolting to Japanese otaku communities as it is to Westerners like /jp/ and krautchan

>> No.8022074

>>8022031
Okay, I'll look into it.

Also, is it normal to be somewhat confused with the plot when starting out? I really didn't look into the game and story beforehand so I'm pretty much running into it with a blindfold.

>> No.8022094

>>8022074
The games are mostly standalone until Mountain of Faith where it kind of started a chain reaction which makes each touhou game cause the next one.

The plot is this. Something is happening, the player character goes to investigate. Investigate means rampage. After all is said and done, tea party.

Also make sure you're actually completing the games. Clearing the games on normal or above with no continues should be your goal.

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>>8022074

Here's what you do.

1) Go to a touhou wiki of your choice.
2) Read the dialogue for every game.
3) After you read the dialogue, you can look up endings at a rogue wiki -- it's considered taboo to talk about or reveal endings in touhou fandom even if it's widely known.


After you get the general idea of what the plot for Touhous are like, you can start reading the canon published works like Perfect Memento and bunka.


By now you'd probably have chosen a "waifu" and you'll go look for a dakimakura cover of her.

>> No.8022092

>>8022074
The games don't have too much connecting them until Mountain of Faith, and even then it's only really a "previous event causing new event" sort of thing.

>> No.8022093
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Cute little girls with silly hats and a lack of definite plot (most people just skip through it anyway) along with loose character personalities and depictions.
This allows fans to create and imagine the cast as they see fit. Just enough info for it to be cool but not enough to define the characters.

Like how all touhous are flat in game while Ran and Yukari have quite the chests in fan work. Or how Yuugi is a muscle bound giant while Suika is a flat little girl even though they are the same in game.

There is also the bitchin sound tracks and pretty bullet formations.
Touhou started off with a really small fanbase, but their fanwork snowballed into what you see today.

Most get into touhou solely because of fanwork. Stay around /jp/ long enough and you too will start to love Touhou even though the game isn't that amazing. It's the fanbase that is.

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>>8022094
>tea party

Called the cops for massive spoilers.

>> No.8022109

>>8022093

Not to mention how Yukari is depicted as a LOLI in PCB.

>> No.8022110

>>8022093
>Or how Yuugi is a muscle bound giant while Suika is a flat little girl even though they are the same in game.
But they don't look at all similar in-game. Yuugi is quite fully-formed, while Suika very much looks like a little girl. And that's not even counting that one semi-official promo thing of Yuugi.

>> No.8022106

Like the game and the music?
Do this:
>>8022070

Just like the characters and nothing more?
Skip the games and just read fanmade stuff.

>> No.8022112

I want to get into touhou,what's the best one to start?
Also where can i download it?

>> No.8022118

>>8022106
i'm defnitely more in it for the games and music, so I'll go ahead and do that.
I'll look more into the fanmade items, though because I think the characters have the potential to be very interesting.
Thanks.

>> No.8022127 [DELETED] 

>>8022112

You can download it from the internet.

The best one to start, IMO is EoSD or PCB. If you like grazing, I suggest PCB so you have an idea what Touhou hitboxes look like. (EoSD doesn't show a hitbox so you have to guess if you aren't already familiar)

>> No.8022144

>>8022118

No don't do that man, even if you aren't very good at the games just try to play it 5 hours / week. If normal 1CC is too hard, just try to have fun playing it on easymodo.

Touhou hobbyists who don't play the game have a negative powerlevel.

>> No.8022186

>>8022144
Oh but of course I'd play the games! That's the most appealing feature of everything Touhou imo.
I'm still caught in the rut of alternating between easymodo and normal, but I'm a hell of a lot better than I was when I started.

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>>8022109
You have shitty eyes, her portrait screams old hag to me, as does PMiSS and Alphes art.

CoLA is the one that portrays her as one

>> No.8022200

>>8022186

If you haven't yet, I highly recommend you download (good) replays of the game you're playing.

You'll learn a lot of essential things like bullet streaming, super grazing, and deathbombing.

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>>8022199
She looks 9.

>> No.8022296
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8022296

Don't become a secondary, OP.

Stick to the games, ignore the fanworks/fanwanks.

Also, try Imperishable Night. I think you'll like the appeal of the story there better.

After that, read Cage in a Lunatic Runagate. Do not read chapter 4 until after you've beaten IN Extra (and the boss).

>> No.8022311

>>8022296
I don't see why you can't just do both. There's some pretty good fanon stuff along with the other silly stuff.

>> No.8022323

>>8022296
He's telling you to never read Chapter 4.

>> No.8022345

>>8022323
But IN extra isn't difficult.

>> No.8022532

>>8022345
of course it is. spell practice just helps make that difficulty go away easier than other extras.

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